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"https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/15/omicron-covid-variant-could-resist-protection-from-two-doses-of-pfizer-and-sinovac-vaccine
Interesting article."
How many people in the uk have had a sinovac vaccine? |
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Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/15/omicron-covid-variant-could-resist-protection-from-two-doses-of-pfizer-and-sinovac-vaccine
Interesting article.
How many people in the uk have had a sinovac vaccine? "
Sinovac was not used in the UK. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
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Yes. The flu vaccine acts in the same way. The virus mutates quickly. That's why we need a new one each year. Covid mutates much faster.
People were out for much of this year because of the vaccination program and fewer people dying and becoming seriously ill.
The booster will reduce Omicron spread and hospital admissions allowing people to be treated for all the other medical conditions and accidents that happen.
Vaccination is a big win for everyone.
Like all manner of first world privileges you are scorning something that many people in the world would love to have. |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
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The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Yes. The flu vaccine acts in the same way. The virus mutates quickly. That's why we need a new one each year. Covid mutates much faster.
People were out for much of this year because of the vaccination program and fewer people dying and becoming seriously ill.
The booster will reduce Omicron spread and hospital admissions allowing people to be treated for all the other medical conditions and accidents that happen.
Vaccination is a big win for everyone.
Like all manner of first world privileges you are scorning something that many people in the world would love to have."
Your last paragraph.
Absofuckinglutely.
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
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Oh what a hero you must feel you are |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
Oh what a hero you must feel you are"
Not really. Just doing what 46,881,291 amazing people have done in the UK. |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
Oh what a hero you must feel you are
Not really. Just doing what 46,881,291 amazing people have done in the UK."
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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
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Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious! |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!"
Have you compared deaths before vaccine and Covid deaths since vaccine? Think you should |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
Oh what a hero you must feel you are
Not really. Just doing what 46,881,291 amazing people have done in the UK."
They don't all hang around a Covid forum blowing their own trumpet trying to sound clever |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
Oh what a hero you must feel you are
Not really. Just doing what 46,881,291 amazing people have done in the UK.
They don't all hang around a Covid forum blowing their own trumpet trying to sound clever"
It’s the vaccine denying idiots I hate. If people don’t want the vaccine then fine, but if these people attempt to convince others not to have the jab and then they die….that’s manslaughter |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
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You think its working for the truely vulnerable?? Ha there is a joke in itself. Immunosupressed so anything vaccine is pretty poitnles. Better to have some protection than none at all. My.life for 2yrs has been that of a recluse because 99% of British public are dicks and think that Big Steve from down the pub lnows better than scientists |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
So Bob from Basildon on Facebook is not an expert? He has just been telling me about chem trails as well…
You think its working for the truely vulnerable?? Ha there is a joke in itself. Immunosupressed so anything vaccine is pretty poitnles. Better to have some protection than none at all. My.life for 2yrs has been that of a recluse because 99% of British public are dicks and think that Big Steve from down the pub lnows better than scientists"
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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!"
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies ! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies ! "
You have just defined yourself as anti-vax.
You really don't get that? |
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"https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/15/omicron-covid-variant-could-resist-protection-from-two-doses-of-pfizer-and-sinovac-vaccine
Interesting article."
Sinovac is a Chinese vaccine with approximate efficacy to playing chicken on the M6. Lots of people resident in the UK have received it, including most of my Chinese and many Middle Eastern students. The minute they arrived here, they all went to get a UK approved vaccine because they doubted the efficacy of Sinovac (rightly). Having two doses of Calpol plus a Pfizer vaccine is probably about as efficacious as 2 Sinovac plus 1 Pfizer*
*Possible slight artistic licence.. |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
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I took my booster and I would hope everyone does. London has only a 68% take up rate or first shot and 62% of second shot. I guess 3rd shot is down in 20% to 30% range.
So 30% of London are selfish twats who expect the nhs to look after them fully if they are ill. Well they can fuck off. Try watching your parents both on oxygen due to random issues.
So % wise if your black or other take up for over 50s is a LOT lower then white. Happy to share the stats on this
2.8 million people who are wandering around London not wearing a mask being a strain on the health service. Khan has one job and it is to get these people vaccinated and wearing masks NOW!!!! |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!"
Covid doesn't care about you, me, pro vaxxers, anti vaxxers, Boris Johnson or Keir Starmer, it simply wants to survive in a receptive host and will mutate to do so.
One of the reasons many of us are still here is because of the vaccine programme. This time last year 1000 a day were dying with little hope in sight, now its down to low double figures.
Imagine, in crude terms, 900 people alive every day who last year would be dead. Vaccines have saved thousands AND allowed us to return to a semblance of normality. |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
You think its working for the truely vulnerable?? Ha there is a joke in itself. Immunosupressed so anything vaccine is pretty poitnles. Better to have some protection than none at all. My.life for 2yrs has been that of a recluse because 99% of British public are dicks and think that Big Steve from down the pub lnows better than scientists"
"because 99% of British public are dicks" Given the very high % uptake of the vaccine and booster in UK "99%" smacks of being some sort of "drama queen"! |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
Oh what a hero you must feel you are
Not really. Just doing what 46,881,291 amazing people have done in the UK.
They don't all hang around a Covid forum blowing their own trumpet trying to sound clever"
If you think that's what I was doing then no wonder you have such a poor attitude |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies ! "
List a few? |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?"
You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass. |
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"I took my booster and I would hope everyone does. London has only a 68% take up rate or first shot and 62% of second shot. I guess 3rd shot is down in 20% to 30% range.
So 30% of London are selfish twats who expect the nhs to look after them fully if they are ill. Well they can fuck off. Try watching your parents both on oxygen due to random issues.
So % wise if your black or other take up for over 50s is a LOT lower then white. Happy to share the stats on this
2.8 million people who are wandering around London not wearing a mask being a strain on the health service. Khan has one job and it is to get these people vaccinated and wearing masks NOW!!!!"
Wow. Super cool rant, dude. |
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"I took my booster and I would hope everyone does. London has only a 68% take up rate or first shot and 62% of second shot. I guess 3rd shot is down in 20% to 30% range.
So 30% of London are selfish twats who expect the nhs to look after them fully if they are ill. Well they can fuck off. Try watching your parents both on oxygen due to random issues.
So % wise if your black or other take up for over 50s is a LOT lower then white. Happy to share the stats on this
2.8 million people who are wandering around London not wearing a mask being a strain on the health service. Khan has one job and it is to get these people vaccinated and wearing masks NOW!!!!"
That’s proper NPC talk |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass."
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million... |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass."
End of June research by Oxford university.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-06-28-mixed-oxfordpfizer-vaccine-schedules-generate-robust-immune-response-against-covid |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million..."
Does it matter to the 1 who develops clots how many per million? By that reasoning, why not take chance of getting covid, your chance of dying is slim.
Should my health be put at risk to protect anothers? Personally and selfishly, i say no.
I'll take my chances with my two vaccines and antibodies from having COVID already. I breezed through it once. I have no doubt I'd do the same IF I was reinfected
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million...Does it matter to the 1 who develops clots how many per million? By that reasoning, why not take chance of getting covid, your chance of dying is slim.
Should my health be put at risk to protect anothers? Personally and selfishly, i say no.
I'll take my chances with my two vaccines and antibodies from having COVID already. I breezed through it once. I have no doubt I'd do the same IF I was reinfected
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Chances of dying from covid is higher at EVERY age group than from the vaccine.
Chances of having long term side effects from the virus is significantly higher than from the vaccine.
The odds stack up in favour of getting the vaccine.
Another reason is that viral load overall is less if vaccinated and catch covid compared to unvaccinated. Personally, I prefer to do what's reasonable to keep the vulnerable safe. It would be nice if others did the same to protect my elderly relatives..
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Everyone knows that with any medical procedure or medicine there is risk of side effects or unintended consequences no matter how rare they are. We have always been allowed to discuss the risks, With this vaccine however, if you ask any questions or express any doubt you’re an anti vaxxer. That makes people suspicious |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million...Does it matter to the 1 who develops clots how many per million? By that reasoning, why not take chance of getting covid, your chance of dying is slim.
Should my health be put at risk to protect anothers? Personally and selfishly, i say no.
I'll take my chances with my two vaccines and antibodies from having COVID already. I breezed through it once. I have no doubt I'd do the same IF I was reinfected
Chances of dying from covid is higher at EVERY age group than from the vaccine.
Chances of having long term side effects from the virus is significantly higher than from the vaccine.
The odds stack up in favour of getting the vaccine.
Another reason is that viral load overall is less if vaccinated and catch covid compared to unvaccinated. Personally, I prefer to do what's reasonable to keep the vulnerable safe. It would be nice if others did the same to protect my elderly relatives..
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You can still catch COVID from a vaccinated person so the protecting others excuse is bullshit. I rarely have contact outside of my own little bubble, so your elderly relatives have nothing to fear from me. Neither do mine, as they are all triple vaccinated. Also. I'm tested via work, thrice weekly. Which personally trumps vaccines for assuring I'm not killing anyone. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass."
Where have you got this information from?
The information for months now has been that might mixing vaccines is better.
However, at the time, this information was not available because, guess what, you have to do some voluntary trials, to find out. In the meantime orders and processes had to be put in place.
AZ does not require the expensive cold chain and this country committing primarily to that vaccine is one of the reasons that the full vaccination rollout was so fast here. That speed and coverage was the most important thing then.
Now, with time and experience, delivering the other vaccine types more widely with military logistics intervention the priority has changed. |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Where have you got this information from?
The information for months now has been that might mixing vaccines is better.
However, at the time, this information was not available because, guess what, you have to do some voluntary trials, to find out. In the meantime orders and processes had to be put in place.
AZ does not require the expensive cold chain and this country committing primarily to that vaccine is one of the reasons that the full vaccination rollout was so fast here. That speed and coverage was the most important thing then.
Now, with time and experience, delivering the other vaccine types more widely with military logistics intervention the priority has changed."
That was the guidance when I got my jabs. It has changed now. I'm still going to turn down my booster. I'll wait and observe how everyone else fares before I make my choice. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million...Does it matter to the 1 who develops clots how many per million? By that reasoning, why not take chance of getting covid, your chance of dying is slim.
Should my health be put at risk to protect anothers? Personally and selfishly, i say no.
I'll take my chances with my two vaccines and antibodies from having COVID already. I breezed through it once. I have no doubt I'd do the same IF I was reinfected
Chances of dying from covid is higher at EVERY age group than from the vaccine.
Chances of having long term side effects from the virus is significantly higher than from the vaccine.
The odds stack up in favour of getting the vaccine.
Another reason is that viral load overall is less if vaccinated and catch covid compared to unvaccinated. Personally, I prefer to do what's reasonable to keep the vulnerable safe. It would be nice if others did the same to protect my elderly relatives..
You can still catch COVID from a vaccinated person so the protecting others excuse is bullshit. I rarely have contact outside of my own little bubble, so your elderly relatives have nothing to fear from me. Neither do mine, as they are all triple vaccinated. Also. I'm tested via work, thrice weekly. Which personally trumps vaccines for assuring I'm not killing anyone."
It is not bullshit. You are still supposed to be cautious, bit the level of virus that you spread is significantly lower so you are far less likely to infect others and if you do it will be a far lower dose that they are more likely to be able to fight off, particularly if they are also vaccinated.
What are you, actually, arguing against? You feel that regular testing and social isolation are better than future vaccination and substantially reduced risk of infecting or getting seriously ill if infected? |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million...Does it matter to the 1 who develops clots how many per million? By that reasoning, why not take chance of getting covid, your chance of dying is slim.
Should my health be put at risk to protect anothers? Personally and selfishly, i say no.
I'll take my chances with my two vaccines and antibodies from having COVID already. I breezed through it once. I have no doubt I'd do the same IF I was reinfected
Chances of dying from covid is higher at EVERY age group than from the vaccine.
Chances of having long term side effects from the virus is significantly higher than from the vaccine.
The odds stack up in favour of getting the vaccine.
Another reason is that viral load overall is less if vaccinated and catch covid compared to unvaccinated. Personally, I prefer to do what's reasonable to keep the vulnerable safe. It would be nice if others did the same to protect my elderly relatives..
You can still catch COVID from a vaccinated person so the protecting others excuse is bullshit. I rarely have contact outside of my own little bubble, so your elderly relatives have nothing to fear from me. Neither do mine, as they are all triple vaccinated. Also. I'm tested via work, thrice weekly. Which personally trumps vaccines for assuring I'm not killing anyone.
It is not bullshit. You are still supposed to be cautious, bit the level of virus that you spread is significantly lower so you are far less likely to infect others and if you do it will be a far lower dose that they are more likely to be able to fight off, particularly if they are also vaccinated.
What are you, actually, arguing against? You feel that regular testing and social isolation are better than future vaccination and substantially reduced risk of infecting or getting seriously ill if infected?"
I'm arguing against coerced vaccination mainly. Also against anyone who blindly labels anyone with concerns selfish. I personally don't take any medication blindly, if i don't think its needed, I don't take it. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Everyone knows that with any medical procedure or medicine there is risk of side effects or unintended consequences no matter how rare they are. We have always been allowed to discuss the risks, With this vaccine however, if you ask any questions or express any doubt you’re an anti vaxxer. That makes people suspicious "
If you tell people not to get vaccinated and loudly proclaim pride and not being vaccinated and berated those who do for being sheep then you're an anti-vaxer.
Where has discussing the risk or expressing doubt, as opposed to open opposition, been treated badly?
Who are "people" suspicious of and why? What does that mean? |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!"
That people still don't understand what the purpose of these vaccines are in relation to this virus is bizarre, mate educate yourself please .. |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million...Does it matter to the 1 who develops clots how many per million? By that reasoning, why not take chance of getting covid, your chance of dying is slim.
Should my health be put at risk to protect anothers? Personally and selfishly, i say no.
I'll take my chances with my two vaccines and antibodies from having COVID already. I breezed through it once. I have no doubt I'd do the same IF I was reinfected
Chances of dying from covid is higher at EVERY age group than from the vaccine.
Chances of having long term side effects from the virus is significantly higher than from the vaccine.
The odds stack up in favour of getting the vaccine.
Another reason is that viral load overall is less if vaccinated and catch covid compared to unvaccinated. Personally, I prefer to do what's reasonable to keep the vulnerable safe. It would be nice if others did the same to protect my elderly relatives..
You can still catch COVID from a vaccinated person so the protecting others excuse is bullshit. I rarely have contact outside of my own little bubble, so your elderly relatives have nothing to fear from me. Neither do mine, as they are all triple vaccinated. Also. I'm tested via work, thrice weekly. Which personally trumps vaccines for assuring I'm not killing anyone."
How many times am I going to hear "you can still catch covid"....
You are less likely to catch covid from a vaccinated person than an unvaccinated.
Well done you for rarely having contact with other and being tested. Can't you see you are a bit unique and I was making a generalisation. |
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"Everyone knows that with any medical procedure or medicine there is risk of side effects or unintended consequences no matter how rare they are. We have always been allowed to discuss the risks, With this vaccine however, if you ask any questions or express any doubt you’re an anti vaxxer. That makes people suspicious
If you tell people not to get vaccinated and loudly proclaim pride and not being vaccinated and berated those who do for being sheep then you're an anti-vaxer.
Where has discussing the risk or expressing doubt, as opposed to open opposition, been treated badly?
Who are "people" suspicious of and why? What does that mean?"
Have you looked at the attitudes on this forum regarding anyone who is concerned of the vaccinations and the frequency. A few I've seen in 24 hours have been described as murderers, covid wankers, selfish and the ol' favourite tin foil hatters. The hate and vitriol is everywhere. |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million...Does it matter to the 1 who develops clots how many per million? By that reasoning, why not take chance of getting covid, your chance of dying is slim.
Should my health be put at risk to protect anothers? Personally and selfishly, i say no.
I'll take my chances with my two vaccines and antibodies from having COVID already. I breezed through it once. I have no doubt I'd do the same IF I was reinfected
Chances of dying from covid is higher at EVERY age group than from the vaccine.
Chances of having long term side effects from the virus is significantly higher than from the vaccine.
The odds stack up in favour of getting the vaccine.
Another reason is that viral load overall is less if vaccinated and catch covid compared to unvaccinated. Personally, I prefer to do what's reasonable to keep the vulnerable safe. It would be nice if others did the same to protect my elderly relatives..
You can still catch COVID from a vaccinated person so the protecting others excuse is bullshit. I rarely have contact outside of my own little bubble, so your elderly relatives have nothing to fear from me. Neither do mine, as they are all triple vaccinated. Also. I'm tested via work, thrice weekly. Which personally trumps vaccines for assuring I'm not killing anyone.
How many times am I going to hear "you can still catch covid"....
You are less likely to catch covid from a vaccinated person than an unvaccinated.
Well done you for rarely having contact with other and being tested. Can't you see you are a bit unique and I was making a generalisation. "
Most people I know are doing similar. Its likely why I know very few people who have been really sick or died from the virus.
I currently have 5 friends isolating with covid, all vaccinated, most triple. All caught it from a small gathering for a birthday. Myself and one other person were only ones not to be infected. He was briefly there, I was there all night. No symptoms for all but the person who thinks he was typhoid Mary of the group. So yes. You can still catch and spread it around.
I attribute not catching it to having a sinus infection and currently using an antiviral spray throughout the day. Turns out its a treatment being looked at currently. |
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By *ad66Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million...Does it matter to the 1 who develops clots how many per million? By that reasoning, why not take chance of getting covid, your chance of dying is slim.
Should my health be put at risk to protect anothers? Personally and selfishly, i say no.
I'll take my chances with my two vaccines and antibodies from having COVID already. I breezed through it once. I have no doubt I'd do the same IF I was reinfected
Chances of dying from covid is higher at EVERY age group than from the vaccine.
Chances of having long term side effects from the virus is significantly higher than from the vaccine.
The odds stack up in favour of getting the vaccine.
Another reason is that viral load overall is less if vaccinated and catch covid compared to unvaccinated. Personally, I prefer to do what's reasonable to keep the vulnerable safe. It would be nice if others did the same to protect my elderly relatives..
You can still catch COVID from a vaccinated person so the protecting others excuse is bullshit. I rarely have contact outside of my own little bubble, so your elderly relatives have nothing to fear from me. Neither do mine, as they are all triple vaccinated. Also. I'm tested via work, thrice weekly. Which personally trumps vaccines for assuring I'm not killing anyone.
It is not bullshit. You are still supposed to be cautious, bit the level of virus that you spread is significantly lower so you are far less likely to infect others and if you do it will be a far lower dose that they are more likely to be able to fight off, particularly if they are also vaccinated.
What are you, actually, arguing against? You feel that regular testing and social isolation are better than future vaccination and substantially reduced risk of infecting or getting seriously ill if infected?"
"the level of virus that you spread is significantly lower so you are far less likely to infect others and if you do it will be a far lower dose that they are more likely to be able to fight off"
Do you understand how viruses work? It's not a matter of how much the load is. A virus self replicates in the host body. This is the same way a pc virus replicates. Personally I'm not jabbed against this virus & have zero intension of getting it for the simple reason that it doesn't work & the government knows it doesn't work. |
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By *va_ATV/TS
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!"
I find posts like this really fascinating. There are literally hundreds of scientific studies demonstrating the highly successful efficiency of the vaccine against severe illness and deaths. You get press briefings, on your TV, showing you clear and a tree straightforward graphs and charts showing you exactly that: how hospitalisations and deaths rose with infections pre vaccine, but are severely lower post vaccine.
Genuine question, do you just choose to ignore these? Or do you acknowledge them and then decide to for an alternative view based on… well, I don’t know. Based on what? |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million..."
I had clots after 2 x AZ and I know a few other guys local to me had the same. Perhaps we are the only ones in the country?
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million...Does it matter to the 1 who develops clots how many per million? By that reasoning, why not take chance of getting covid, your chance of dying is slim.
Should my health be put at risk to protect anothers? Personally and selfishly, i say no.
I'll take my chances with my two vaccines and antibodies from having COVID already. I breezed through it once. I have no doubt I'd do the same IF I was reinfected
Chances of dying from covid is higher at EVERY age group than from the vaccine.
Chances of having long term side effects from the virus is significantly higher than from the vaccine.
The odds stack up in favour of getting the vaccine.
Another reason is that viral load overall is less if vaccinated and catch covid compared to unvaccinated. Personally, I prefer to do what's reasonable to keep the vulnerable safe. It would be nice if others did the same to protect my elderly relatives..
You can still catch COVID from a vaccinated person so the protecting others excuse is bullshit. I rarely have contact outside of my own little bubble, so your elderly relatives have nothing to fear from me. Neither do mine, as they are all triple vaccinated. Also. I'm tested via work, thrice weekly. Which personally trumps vaccines for assuring I'm not killing anyone.
It is not bullshit. You are still supposed to be cautious, bit the level of virus that you spread is significantly lower so you are far less likely to infect others and if you do it will be a far lower dose that they are more likely to be able to fight off, particularly if they are also vaccinated.
What are you, actually, arguing against? You feel that regular testing and social isolation are better than future vaccination and substantially reduced risk of infecting or getting seriously ill if infected?
"the level of virus that you spread is significantly lower so you are far less likely to infect others and if you do it will be a far lower dose that they are more likely to be able to fight off"
Do you understand how viruses work? It's not a matter of how much the load is. A virus self replicates in the host body. This is the same way a pc virus replicates. Personally I'm not jabbed against this virus & have zero intension of getting it for the simple reason that it doesn't work & the government knows it doesn't work. "
The lower the load you are subjected to the less chance of the virus taking hold. A PC is binary. It catches a single virus and the virus does its stuff.
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million...
I had clots after 2 x AZ and I know a few other guys local to me had the same. Perhaps we are the only ones in the country?
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million...
I had clots after 2 x AZ and I know a few other guys local to me had the same. Perhaps we are the only ones in the country?
Perhaps...I've not heard of a single person who has had a clot as a result of the vaccine."
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
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Personally I'm not jabbed against this virus & have zero intension of getting it for the simple reason that it doesn't work & the government knows it doesn't work. "
Truly laughable. Please explain why the government wants us to get jabs. And if it's the standard answer of 'control', please explain what that means.
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
You think its working for the truely vulnerable?? Ha there is a joke in itself. Immunosupressed so anything vaccine is pretty poitnles. Better to have some protection than none at all. My.life for 2yrs has been that of a recluse because 99% of British public are dicks and think that Big Steve from down the pub lnows better than scientists"
Agree with you
I’m vulnerable and can’t wear a mask.
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By *va_ATV/TS
over a year ago
Manchester |
You don’t need to speculate on clots, there have been studies.
There are around 3000 clots per month in the UK anyway, so around 1 in 2000 people have a clot here anyway every year.
Around every 1 in 250,000 people in the UK have had a clot as a result of the vaccine. Around one in four of these die, so around 1 in a million who have the vaccine.
Around 1 in 45,000 people die each year in road accidents in the UK. So if we worried about risk based on maths, everyone should be up in arms about how awful and dangerous driving is and everyone would be proudly saying they don’t drive anywhere as the government are using it to kill us all. |
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"You don’t need to speculate on clots, there have been studies.
There are around 3000 clots per month in the UK anyway, so around 1 in 2000 people have a clot here anyway every year.
Around every 1 in 250,000 people in the UK have had a clot as a result of the vaccine. Around one in four of these die, so around 1 in a million who have the vaccine.
Around 1 in 45,000 people die each year in road accidents in the UK. So if we worried about risk based on maths, everyone should be up in arms about how awful and dangerous driving is and everyone would be proudly saying they don’t drive anywhere as the government are using it to kill us all."
No one is being forced to drive to partake in society... |
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By *rMrsRichCouple
over a year ago
Bournemouh |
"Everyone knows that with any medical procedure or medicine there is risk of side effects or unintended consequences no matter how rare they are. We have always been allowed to discuss the risks, With this vaccine however, if you ask any questions or express any doubt you’re an anti vaxxer. That makes people suspicious
If you tell people not to get vaccinated and loudly proclaim pride and not being vaccinated and berated those who do for being sheep then you're an anti-vaxer.
Where has discussing the risk or expressing doubt, as opposed to open opposition, been treated badly?
Who are "people" suspicious of and why? What does that mean?Have you looked at the attitudes on this forum regarding anyone who is concerned of the vaccinations and the frequency. A few I've seen in 24 hours have been described as murderers, covid wankers, selfish and the ol' favourite tin foil hatters. The hate and vitriol is everywhere."
That’s because despite so many people spouting on about how the things they’re doing are for the greater good and because they care about other people, most people still seem to be very stuck in their own little “my opinion is the superior one and anyone who disagrees with it is wrong or stupid” so much for caring about others. By caring about others they actually ‘caring about others who have the same opinion and follow the same guidelines as I do’ those that disagree should be locked up, denied medical care, left to die etc etc etc
It’s hilarious reading some of these forums watching people contradict themselves in a matter of seconds. |
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By *rMrsRichCouple
over a year ago
Bournemouh |
I care enough about others to have a million jabs, wear a face mask and never socialise again.
But…. Wait…..What?…. Not bully people and call them names on social media? Noooooooo I don’t care THAT much sheesh!!  |
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"I care enough about others to have a million jabs, wear a face mask and never socialise again.
But…. Wait…..What?…. Not bully people and call them names on social media? Noooooooo I don’t care THAT much sheesh!! "
Remember people, Staying apart, keeps us together.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Everyone knows that with any medical procedure or medicine there is risk of side effects or unintended consequences no matter how rare they are. We have always been allowed to discuss the risks, With this vaccine however, if you ask any questions or express any doubt you’re an anti vaxxer. That makes people suspicious
If you tell people not to get vaccinated and loudly proclaim pride and not being vaccinated and berated those who do for being sheep then you're an anti-vaxer.
Where has discussing the risk or expressing doubt, as opposed to open opposition, been treated badly?
Who are "people" suspicious of and why? What does that mean?Have you looked at the attitudes on this forum regarding anyone who is concerned of the vaccinations and the frequency. A few I've seen in 24 hours have been described as murderers, covid wankers, selfish and the ol' favourite tin foil hatters. The hate and vitriol is everywhere.
That’s because despite so many people spouting on about how the things they’re doing are for the greater good and because they care about other people, most people still seem to be very stuck in their own little “my opinion is the superior one and anyone who disagrees with it is wrong or stupid” so much for caring about others. By caring about others they actually ‘caring about others who have the same opinion and follow the same guidelines as I do’ those that disagree should be locked up, denied medical care, left to die etc etc etc
It’s hilarious reading some of these forums watching people contradict themselves in a matter of seconds. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I find posts like this really fascinating. There are literally hundreds of scientific studies demonstrating the highly successful efficiency of the vaccine against severe illness and deaths. You get press briefings, on your TV, showing you clear and a tree straightforward graphs and charts showing you exactly that: how hospitalisations and deaths rose with infections pre vaccine, but are severely lower post vaccine.
Genuine question, do you just choose to ignore these? Or do you acknowledge them and then decide to for an alternative view based on… well, I don’t know. Based on what?"
Have you thought it could be based on "they just don't want it"
Jabbed or not it's a personal choice, the amount of name calling is sickening just because they have their own views if to have any jabs or just 1 or 2, booster or not.
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By *va_ATV/TS
over a year ago
Manchester |
The person I was responding to said the following:
“Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective!”
I wasn’t commenting on their personal choice or whether they have it or not, that’s no business of mine. I was interested in their view of the vaccine not being effective when all of the studies show that it’s incredibly effective at what it was designed to do. |
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By *aussageMan
over a year ago
Stalbridge |
I've never heard of a vaccine where everyone takes it, and still gets the disease anyway. They told us the science said the vaccines were like 95% efficacious and that people wouldn't get covid. That was clearly all bullshit. |
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By *va_ATV/TS
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I've never heard of a vaccine where everyone takes it, and still gets the disease anyway. They told us the science said the vaccines were like 95% efficacious and that people wouldn't get covid. That was clearly all bullshit. "
Only some vaccines provide full sterilising immunity, whereby the infection is prevented completely. With the majority of vaccines you still get the disease but the vaccine means your symptoms aren’t as severe.
So, most of the vaccines you’ve heard of are vaccines where people still get the disease. Flu, for example. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"I've never heard of a vaccine where everyone takes it, and still gets the disease anyway. They told us the science said the vaccines were like 95% efficacious and that people wouldn't get covid. That was clearly all bullshit. "
The vaccine was never presented as you will not get covid. It was developed as a tactical solution to stem the wave of serious illness and I suspect a more strategical outcome is being worked on right now. |
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"I care enough about others to have a million jabs, wear a face mask and never socialise again.
But…. Wait…..What?…. Not bully people and call them names on social media? Noooooooo I don’t care THAT much sheesh!! "
There would be a que to jab you a million times mrs (boom boom) 
I’ve already got my coat on……… |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
Oh what a hero you must feel you are
Not really. Just doing what 46,881,291 amazing people have done in the UK.
They don't all hang around a Covid forum blowing their own trumpet trying to sound clever"
Didn’t you know the new “common sense” is virtue signalling it’s more like common purpose. A bit like the crowd supporting BLM the openly Marxist movement which is about removing the nuclear family and much more and not in any of the general populations interest. And if you dare say other lives matter then you can only be a racist. lol some people can stoop to pathetic levels.  |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
Oh what a hero you must feel you are
Not really. Just doing what 46,881,291 amazing people have done in the UK.
They don't all hang around a Covid forum blowing their own trumpet trying to sound clever
Didn’t you know the new “common sense” is virtue signalling it’s more like common purpose. A bit like the crowd supporting BLM the openly Marxist movement which is about removing the nuclear family and much more and not in any of the general populations interest. And if you dare say other lives matter then you can only be a racist. lol some people can stoop to pathetic levels. "
Are you suggesting advocating science, commonsense and the protection of others is virtue signalling? If that's the case I'm a proud virtue signaller.
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By *rMrsRichCouple
over a year ago
Bournemouh |
"I care enough about others to have a million jabs, wear a face mask and never socialise again.
But…. Wait…..What?…. Not bully people and call them names on social media? Noooooooo I don’t care THAT much sheesh!!
There would be a que to jab you a million times mrs (boom boom)
I’ve already got my coat on………"
He’s here all week people |
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"I've never heard of a vaccine where everyone takes it, and still gets the disease anyway. They told us the science said the vaccines were like 95% efficacious and that people wouldn't get covid. That was clearly all bullshit. "
I think you need to re-visit what was said and try to understand.
Also, appreciate that the vaccine was developed to fight the alpha variant but did really well at reducing cases , hospitalisations and deaths from the delta variant. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
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That's the funny part right there! You've bought into this idea that you're protecting others yet 3 jabs in and they're still not protected, if the virus mutates this quickly then what's the point?
I understand that as we've mostly all had the jabs now we want to believe in them but come on! This has gotta be the most ineffective vaccine in history, providing only some protection for a very short window.
What if the death toll is lower because the ones who would die from covid are mostly no longer here and to some degree we have herd immunity? There is no way of knowing but you must agree that this vaccine does not preform as well as other vaccines, even the once per year flu vax is way way better |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
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When I was jabbed twice, I realised that if I ever caught covid, then I would have mild symptoms thinking that ive a slight cold or something and still go about my everyday life, passing covid to everyone I interact with.
so I do not see this vaccine as doing any good but a device for heard immunity. |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
That's the funny part right there! You've bought into this idea that you're protecting others yet 3 jabs in and they're still not protected, if the virus mutates this quickly then what's the point?
I understand that as we've mostly all had the jabs now we want to believe in them but come on! This has gotta be the most ineffective vaccine in history, providing only some protection for a very short window.
What if the death toll is lower because the ones who would die from covid are mostly no longer here and to some degree we have herd immunity? There is no way of knowing but you must agree that this vaccine does not preform as well as other vaccines, even the once per year flu vax is way way better"
It depends on what you think the vaccines protect us from.
What do you think they protect us from?
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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
When I was jabbed twice, I realised that if I ever caught covid, then I would have mild symptoms thinking that ive a slight cold or something and still go about my everyday life, passing covid to everyone I interact with.
so I do not see this vaccine as doing any good but a device for heard immunity."
In addition to that vaccinated people can enter venues freely that unvaccinated need to do a lateral flow test for.
So it's more likely that a higher percentage of vaccinated people are likely to be carrying covid than the unvaccinated.
I feel the jabs can, to some people, facilitate a false sense of security |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
That's the funny part right there! You've bought into this idea that you're protecting others yet 3 jabs in and they're still not protected, if the virus mutates this quickly then what's the point?
I understand that as we've mostly all had the jabs now we want to believe in them but come on! This has gotta be the most ineffective vaccine in history, providing only some protection for a very short window.
What if the death toll is lower because the ones who would die from covid are mostly no longer here and to some degree we have herd immunity? There is no way of knowing but you must agree that this vaccine does not preform as well as other vaccines, even the once per year flu vax is way way better"
Have you read the string of replies to your first post?
It's nothing to do with "wanting to believe".
Statistical analysis is a well established mathematical tool. You have not pointed out anything that has not already been accounted for.
Vaccination reduced the spread of infection and reduces the severity of serious illness or death if caught.
There is no actual data that contradicts this.
Covid-19 is different to flu. That's one of the reasons that it has a different name. Not performing as well as other vaccines for other virus' has no relevance. It significantly improves outcomes for everyone for Covid-19.
If you can find any contradictory medical data rather than opinion then please share. Otherwise, you really are spreading rumour and being an "anti-vaxer" even if you don't want to think of yourself as such. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
When I was jabbed twice, I realised that if I ever caught covid, then I would have mild symptoms thinking that ive a slight cold or something and still go about my everyday life, passing covid to everyone I interact with.
so I do not see this vaccine as doing any good but a device for heard immunity.
In addition to that vaccinated people can enter venues freely that unvaccinated need to do a lateral flow test for.
So it's more likely that a higher percentage of vaccinated people are likely to be carrying covid than the unvaccinated.
I feel the jabs can, to some people, facilitate a false sense of security"
There is no guarantee that you will only have mild symptoms, but your odds dramatically improve.
I agree though, that the implication with government messaging, is that it was all fine once vaccinated. That was never the case.
Of course, if there remains a relatively large pool of unvaccinated people here, let alone globally, then the chances of mutations like Omicron not being containable grow. |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
When I was jabbed twice, I realised that if I ever caught covid, then I would have mild symptoms thinking that ive a slight cold or something and still go about my everyday life, passing covid to everyone I interact with.
so I do not see this vaccine as doing any good but a device for heard immunity.
In addition to that vaccinated people can enter venues freely that unvaccinated need to do a lateral flow test for.
So it's more likely that a higher percentage of vaccinated people are likely to be carrying covid than the unvaccinated.
I feel the jabs can, to some people, facilitate a false sense of security
There is no guarantee that you will only have mild symptoms, but your odds dramatically improve.
I agree though, that the implication with government messaging, is that it was all fine once vaccinated. That was never the case.
Of course, if there remains a relatively large pool of unvaccinated people here, let alone globally, then the chances of mutations like Omicron not being containable grow."
The fact that you can still catch and carry the virus while vaccinated doesn't mean a fully vaxxed population won't have mutations either. There's also vaccine driven mutations too that are a possibility. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Everyone knows that with any medical procedure or medicine there is risk of side effects or unintended consequences no matter how rare they are. We have always been allowed to discuss the risks, With this vaccine however, if you ask any questions or express any doubt you’re an anti vaxxer. That makes people suspicious
If you tell people not to get vaccinated and loudly proclaim pride and not being vaccinated and berated those who do for being sheep then you're an anti-vaxer.
Where has discussing the risk or expressing doubt, as opposed to open opposition, been treated badly?
Who are "people" suspicious of and why? What does that mean?Have you looked at the attitudes on this forum regarding anyone who is concerned of the vaccinations and the frequency. A few I've seen in 24 hours have been described as murderers, covid wankers, selfish and the ol' favourite tin foil hatters. The hate and vitriol is everywhere.
That’s because despite so many people spouting on about how the things they’re doing are for the greater good and because they care about other people, most people still seem to be very stuck in their own little “my opinion is the superior one and anyone who disagrees with it is wrong or stupid” so much for caring about others. By caring about others they actually ‘caring about others who have the same opinion and follow the same guidelines as I do’ those that disagree should be locked up, denied medical care, left to die etc etc etc
It’s hilarious reading some of these forums watching people contradict themselves in a matter of seconds. "
"So many"? "Everywhere"? 3 or 4 on some chat rooms that you keep going back to to dose up on anger and outrage? It appears that you are not that "amused" because you are indicating clear annoyance.
You seem to be judging them on the basis that they do not really believe that they have any altruistic motives. You know that do you?
If someone has the information provided, but chooses to ignore it in favour of opinion and YouTube and goes on to try to convince others then I have little sympathy for them. They are, actually, probing to be a hazard to society. How would you describe someone who chooses not to where a seatbelt and drink whilst driving because of their choice?
I do not think that there is any necessity to be abusive, but you are not behaving in a significantly better way. Read your own descriptions.
If people not being vaccinated despite the information available and then take up ICU beds, how do you compensate all those who have other medical conditions that require urgent medical treatment that they cannot obtain? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
When I was jabbed twice, I realised that if I ever caught covid, then I would have mild symptoms thinking that ive a slight cold or something and still go about my everyday life, passing covid to everyone I interact with.
so I do not see this vaccine as doing any good but a device for heard immunity.
In addition to that vaccinated people can enter venues freely that unvaccinated need to do a lateral flow test for.
So it's more likely that a higher percentage of vaccinated people are likely to be carrying covid than the unvaccinated.
I feel the jabs can, to some people, facilitate a false sense of security
There is no guarantee that you will only have mild symptoms, but your odds dramatically improve.
I agree though, that the implication with government messaging, is that it was all fine once vaccinated. That was never the case.
Of course, if there remains a relatively large pool of unvaccinated people here, let alone globally, then the chances of mutations like Omicron not being containable grow.The fact that you can still catch and carry the virus while vaccinated doesn't mean a fully vaxxed population won't have mutations either. There's also vaccine driven mutations too that are a possibility."
This is rather a false equivalence isn't it?
Implying that the chances of this are similar. They are not at all, are they? I think that you know this, so why imply otherwise? Is that deliberate or accidental. |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
When I was jabbed twice, I realised that if I ever caught covid, then I would have mild symptoms thinking that ive a slight cold or something and still go about my everyday life, passing covid to everyone I interact with.
so I do not see this vaccine as doing any good but a device for heard immunity.
In addition to that vaccinated people can enter venues freely that unvaccinated need to do a lateral flow test for.
So it's more likely that a higher percentage of vaccinated people are likely to be carrying covid than the unvaccinated.
I feel the jabs can, to some people, facilitate a false sense of security
There is no guarantee that you will only have mild symptoms, but your odds dramatically improve.
I agree though, that the implication with government messaging, is that it was all fine once vaccinated. That was never the case.
Of course, if there remains a relatively large pool of unvaccinated people here, let alone globally, then the chances of mutations like Omicron not being containable grow.The fact that you can still catch and carry the virus while vaccinated doesn't mean a fully vaxxed population won't have mutations either. There's also vaccine driven mutations too that are a possibility.
This is rather a false equivalence isn't it?
Implying that the chances of this are similar. They are not at all, are they? I think that you know this, so why imply otherwise? Is that deliberate or accidental."
What part of my post implys otherwise? Did I claim it was a similar chance? Are you suffering from vaccine induced brain fog?
Any amount of virus can mutate, that is a fact. Pretending that mutations can only occur otherwise is disingenuous at best. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
When I was jabbed twice, I realised that if I ever caught covid, then I would have mild symptoms thinking that ive a slight cold or something and still go about my everyday life, passing covid to everyone I interact with.
so I do not see this vaccine as doing any good but a device for heard immunity.
In addition to that vaccinated people can enter venues freely that unvaccinated need to do a lateral flow test for.
So it's more likely that a higher percentage of vaccinated people are likely to be carrying covid than the unvaccinated.
I feel the jabs can, to some people, facilitate a false sense of security
There is no guarantee that you will only have mild symptoms, but your odds dramatically improve.
I agree though, that the implication with government messaging, is that it was all fine once vaccinated. That was never the case.
Of course, if there remains a relatively large pool of unvaccinated people here, let alone globally, then the chances of mutations like Omicron not being containable grow.The fact that you can still catch and carry the virus while vaccinated doesn't mean a fully vaxxed population won't have mutations either. There's also vaccine driven mutations too that are a possibility.
This is rather a false equivalence isn't it?
Implying that the chances of this are similar. They are not at all, are they? I think that you know this, so why imply otherwise? Is that deliberate or accidental.What part of my post implys otherwise? Did I claim it was a similar chance? Are you suffering from vaccine induced brain fog?
Any amount of virus can mutate, that is a fact. Pretending that mutations can only occur otherwise is disingenuous at best."
Nobody has "pretended" that virus' cannot mutate, but you really do imply that it is just as likely that a virus will mutate in small population as a large one.
Have you in any way stat d that the chance is smaller? No. It is stated as if the possible outcome is similar. You may know better, but you haven't written it like that.
Brain fog comment very constructive. Classy |
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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
They've been listening to the news mate lost cause..
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
When I was jabbed twice, I realised that if I ever caught covid, then I would have mild symptoms thinking that ive a slight cold or something and still go about my everyday life, passing covid to everyone I interact with.
so I do not see this vaccine as doing any good but a device for heard immunity.
In addition to that vaccinated people can enter venues freely that unvaccinated need to do a lateral flow test for.
So it's more likely that a higher percentage of vaccinated people are likely to be carrying covid than the unvaccinated.
I feel the jabs can, to some people, facilitate a false sense of security
There is no guarantee that you will only have mild symptoms, but your odds dramatically improve.
I agree though, that the implication with government messaging, is that it was all fine once vaccinated. That was never the case.
Of course, if there remains a relatively large pool of unvaccinated people here, let alone globally, then the chances of mutations like Omicron not being containable grow.The fact that you can still catch and carry the virus while vaccinated doesn't mean a fully vaxxed population won't have mutations either. There's also vaccine driven mutations too that are a possibility.
This is rather a false equivalence isn't it?
Implying that the chances of this are similar. They are not at all, are they? I think that you know this, so why imply otherwise? Is that deliberate or accidental.What part of my post implys otherwise? Did I claim it was a similar chance? Are you suffering from vaccine induced brain fog?
Any amount of virus can mutate, that is a fact. Pretending that mutations can only occur otherwise is disingenuous at best.
Nobody has "pretended" that virus' cannot mutate, but you really do imply that it is just as likely that a virus will mutate in small population as a large one.
Have you in any way stat d that the chance is smaller? No. It is stated as if the possible outcome is similar. You may know better, but you haven't written it like that.
Brain fog comment very constructive. Classy "
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
That's the funny part right there! You've bought into this idea that you're protecting others yet 3 jabs in and they're still not protected, if the virus mutates this quickly then what's the point?
I understand that as we've mostly all had the jabs now we want to believe in them but come on! This has gotta be the most ineffective vaccine in history, providing only some protection for a very short window.
What if the death toll is lower because the ones who would die from covid are mostly no longer here and to some degree we have herd immunity? There is no way of knowing but you must agree that this vaccine does not preform as well as other vaccines, even the once per year flu vax is way way better"
Such hindsight...
Go and learn about T cells.
The vaccines have saved ten of thousands of lives. They bought us time to open up and now we have a milder version.
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
The truly vulnerable..
That's good because I took two shots in my arm and going for another to protect them...not me.
Oh what a hero you must feel you are
Not really. Just doing what 46,881,291 amazing people have done in the UK.
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass."
They're doing this on the fly , there isn't a script or recipe to follow.
Improvements get added in all walks of life. Doesn't mean they're wrong and shouldn't be followed. For instance , seat belts weren't used much in cars until made compulsory. Same as crash hats for motorcycles , doesn't mean even if I had a choice I wouldn't use them. Smoking in restaurantes was considered okay till recently. So lay off the ones trying their best to guide us , when its all new to them also. |
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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
I couldn't care less what peoples choices or opinions are that's up to them.. but surely everyone can see nothing is ever going back to the way it was.. this is the beginning of a transition involving freedom, control and rights.. no matter how many vaccines you take we are never going back to the normal that we used to have.. this will get more and more severe.. I'd love to hear a calm educated reply not an aggressive one |
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"I couldn't care less what peoples choices or opinions are that's up to them.. but surely everyone can see nothing is ever going back to the way it was.. this is the beginning of a transition involving freedom, control and rights.. no matter how many vaccines you take we are never going back to the normal that we used to have.. this will get more and more severe.. I'd love to hear a calm educated reply not an aggressive one "
you might be correct on certain things and it’s likely to be a long haul at best. Yes and things probably will be different and a new normal will be different from what we had before. A lot of that will be within ourselves changing habits, wether hand sanitizing makes a vast impact on the spreading of the virus it is one of the habits that will become part of the norm. As for travel/freedom of movement I disagree and although there have been these restrictions they have been lifted as soon and often as they feel it’s not such a threat. That is one of the things they will be desperate to get back to as normal as possible as before
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By *ames-77Man
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milton keynes |
"I couldn't care less what peoples choices or opinions are that's up to them.. but surely everyone can see nothing is ever going back to the way it was.. this is the beginning of a transition involving freedom, control and rights.. no matter how many vaccines you take we are never going back to the normal that we used to have.. this will get more and more severe.. I'd love to hear a calm educated reply not an aggressive one you might be correct on certain things and it’s likely to be a long haul at best. Yes and things probably will be different and a new normal will be different from what we had before. A lot of that will be within ourselves changing habits, wether hand sanitizing makes a vast impact on the spreading of the virus it is one of the habits that will become part of the norm. As for travel/freedom of movement I disagree and although there have been these restrictions they have been lifted as soon and often as they feel it’s not such a threat. That is one of the things they will be desperate to get back to as normal as possible as before "
Do people never wonder why we are only showed news that is aimed at us.. why do they not show the world Ghislaine Maxwell in court and all the famous names that are getting listed for being peadophiles.. There's no point telling you why will just get sour |
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"I couldn't care less what peoples choices or opinions are that's up to them.. but surely everyone can see nothing is ever going back to the way it was.. this is the beginning of a transition involving freedom, control and rights.. no matter how many vaccines you take we are never going back to the normal that we used to have.. this will get more and more severe.. I'd love to hear a calm educated reply not an aggressive one you might be correct on certain things and it’s likely to be a long haul at best. Yes and things probably will be different and a new normal will be different from what we had before. A lot of that will be within ourselves changing habits, wether hand sanitizing makes a vast impact on the spreading of the virus it is one of the habits that will become part of the norm. As for travel/freedom of movement I disagree and although there have been these restrictions they have been lifted as soon and often as they feel it’s not such a threat. That is one of the things they will be desperate to get back to as normal as possible as before
Do people never wonder why we are only showed news that is aimed at us.. why do they not show the world Ghislaine Maxwell in court and all the famous names that are getting listed for being peadophiles.. There's no point telling you why will just get sour "
why would I get sour? Of course news is only aimed at us as is all tv as no point in the bbc/itv/sky showing things that is not for the uk. I keep hearing people quoting stuff they have seen on the internet so I’m sure if anyone would like to watch what you referred to they can |
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Is this not a free country we live in and hopefully everyone is capable of making their own decisions! And hopefully when it comes to medical decisions everyone can keep their decision private! I don’t see everyone screaming and shouting about weather or not that have had this and that at the doctors before this!
It’s peoples privacy what they choose to do or don’t do at the doctors and why has this changed?
I don’t see why everyone feels so comfortable asking complete strangers what they have had done at the doctors all of a sudden.
We are all adults and can make a sensible decision made on the facts, whatever that maybe!
A lot of people on this website decide to keep this part of themselves private from the ones they care about, do we judge them? |
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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago
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"Is this not a free country we live in and hopefully everyone is capable of making their own decisions! And hopefully when it comes to medical decisions everyone can keep their decision private! I don’t see everyone screaming and shouting about weather or not that have had this and that at the doctors before this!
It’s peoples privacy what they choose to do or don’t do at the doctors and why has this changed?
I don’t see why everyone feels so comfortable asking complete strangers what they have had done at the doctors all of a sudden.
We are all adults and can make a sensible decision made on the facts, whatever that maybe!
A lot of people on this website decide to keep this part of themselves private from the ones they care about, do we judge them?"
Well said mate .. this is what annoys me.. I'm fit and healthy I don't need to take vaccine after vaccine i just want to be left alone to live my life.. which is how it should be.. but no we have to be bullied threatened restricted to the point where eventually I won't be allowed to buy food until I've had it.. this should be a big red flag for everyone to see.. but they don't .. just obey the corrupt government and listen to the paid off scientists and doctors |
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By *ite -meWoman
over a year ago
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies ! "
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Yep me too. A few colleagues saying yesterday, they only got the vax to go on holiday and get their freedom back. if they knew the restrictions would have come back in place they and the efficacy of the shots would wane then they wouldn't have bothered. But then a few went for their boosters, to prepare to go on holiday again
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"Is this not a free country we live in and hopefully everyone is capable of making their own decisions! And hopefully when it comes to medical decisions everyone can keep their decision private! I don’t see everyone screaming and shouting about weather or not that have had this and that at the doctors before this!
It’s peoples privacy what they choose to do or don’t do at the doctors and why has this changed?
I don’t see why everyone feels so comfortable asking complete strangers what they have had done at the doctors all of a sudden.
We are all adults and can make a sensible decision made on the facts, whatever that maybe!
A lot of people on this website decide to keep this part of themselves private from the ones they care about, do we judge them?
Well said mate .. this is what annoys me.. I'm fit and healthy I don't need to take vaccine after vaccine i just want to be left alone to live my life.. which is how it should be.. but no we have to be bullied threatened restricted to the point where eventually I won't be allowed to buy food until I've had it.. this should be a big red flag for everyone to see.. but they don't .. just obey the corrupt government and listen to the paid off scientists and doctors "
meanwhile the Boris and Co are allowed to party and nothing happens.
They and other government officials are also exempt from a covid pass.....makes you wonder if they have all have the vaccine too? I mean if they are telling the country that vaccine passes are in effect, why are they exempt? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well said Israel are already rolling out a 4th jab. It's a joke that we are all being yes as human pin cushions yet the virus still poses a huge threat"
From a friend in the NHS, 4th doses of the vax penciled in for March 22...hahaha. Those that have had it will never be free..... |
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"Well said Israel are already rolling out a 4th jab. It's a joke that we are all being yes as human pin cushions yet the virus still poses a huge threat
From a friend in the NHS, 4th doses of the vax penciled in for March 22...hahaha. Those that have had it will never be free..... "
in all likelihood we will be getting regular jabs for some time to come, that’s not a new bit of news and learned respected people said that that could be the case. I’m sure the numbers of uptake of further boosters might drop. Although as far as I can tell (not quoting stats or cherry picking from the internet) it looks like the vax centres are flat out from morning to night. But saying people who have been jagged will never be free is a very bold statement, but why only the people who have been jagged? If we keep having to get boosters would it not be everyone who would never be free surely? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is this not a free country we live in and hopefully everyone is capable of making their own decisions! And hopefully when it comes to medical decisions everyone can keep their decision private! I don’t see everyone screaming and shouting about weather or not that have had this and that at the doctors before this!
It’s peoples privacy what they choose to do or don’t do at the doctors and why has this changed?
I don’t see why everyone feels so comfortable asking complete strangers what they have had done at the doctors all of a sudden.
We are all adults and can make a sensible decision made on the facts, whatever that maybe!
A lot of people on this website decide to keep this part of themselves private from the ones they care about, do we judge them?
Well said mate .. this is what annoys me.. I'm fit and healthy I don't need to take vaccine after vaccine i just want to be left alone to live my life.. which is how it should be.. but no we have to be bullied threatened restricted to the point where eventually I won't be allowed to buy food until I've had it.. this should be a big red flag for everyone to see.. but they don't .. just obey the corrupt government and listen to the paid off scientists and doctors
meanwhile the Boris and Co are allowed to party and nothing happens.
They and other government officials are also exempt from a covid pass.....makes you wonder if they have all have the vaccine too? I mean if they are telling the country that vaccine passes are in effect, why are they exempt?"
Incorrect, Boris and Co are not allowed to party. They are subject to the same rules as everyone else. It appears that they, like a great many other people chose to bend/break the rules. Something is happening, I believe the police are investigating. Rightly so.
I've never heard of any government officials being exempt from Covid Passports.
Regarding whether they are or are not vaccinated is a private matter. Same as it is for you and me.
Winston
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
I'm not pro or anti vax but I won't be taking my booster, so many lies !
List a few?You can't mix jabs? If you take first az you can take second despite risk of clots. Yet now I can safely take pfizer. Big enough lie or fuck up for me to say nope, i'll pass.
Seriously? That's a lie??
Vaccines hadn't been tested mixed when the rollout started. That's why we were told they couldn't be mixed.
Trials were subsequently undertaken with mixing. They concluded as being safe.
As for AZ and blood clot risks. Remind me the risk ? Cases per million...
I had clots after 2 x AZ and I know a few other guys local to me had the same. Perhaps we are the only ones in the country?
Perhaps...I've not heard of a single person who has had a clot as a result of the vaccine.I know 2, one however has a history of clots "
My neighbour caught COVID in the early days, before the vaccine and had what became known as COVID FOOT.
The bottom of her legs and feet looked like they have been trampled over by a football teams boots.
COVID from the outset was known for blood clots and bruising.
If these clots suffered after a weeny vaccine was administered then I wonder what actually having it for real would of caused - maybe death?
Seem to remember that one of the most dangerous symptoms was blood clots in the lungs or heart and strokes and a race to understand why the immune system was 'over reacting to cause them'.
Don't understand why, when the vaccine causes a similar reaction, it is dangerous and must be avoided at all costs. |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
Have you compared deaths before vaccine and Covid deaths since vaccine? Think you should"
Much more importantly, have you researched how vaccines work? I think that you should!!!!!! |
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"Is this not a free country we live in and hopefully everyone is capable of making their own decisions! And hopefully when it comes to medical decisions everyone can keep their decision private! I don’t see everyone screaming and shouting about weather or not that have had this and that at the doctors before this!
It’s peoples privacy what they choose to do or don’t do at the doctors and why has this changed?
I don’t see why everyone feels so comfortable asking complete strangers what they have had done at the doctors all of a sudden.
We are all adults and can make a sensible decision made on the facts, whatever that maybe!
A lot of people on this website decide to keep this part of themselves private from the ones they care about, do we judge them?
Well said mate .. this is what annoys me.. I'm fit and healthy I don't need to take vaccine after vaccine i just want to be left alone to live my life.. which is how it should be.. but no we have to be bullied threatened restricted to the point where eventually I won't be allowed to buy food until I've had it.. this should be a big red flag for everyone to see.. but they don't .. just obey the corrupt government and listen to the paid off scientists and doctors
meanwhile the Boris and Co are allowed to party and nothing happens.
They and other government officials are also exempt from a covid pass.....makes you wonder if they have all have the vaccine too? I mean if they are telling the country that vaccine passes are in effect, why are they exempt?
Incorrect, Boris and Co are not allowed to party. They are subject to the same rules as everyone else. It appears that they, like a great many other people chose to bend/break the rules. Something is happening, I believe the police are investigating. Rightly so.
I've never heard of any government officials being exempt from Covid Passports.
Regarding whether they are or are not vaccinated is a private matter. Same as it is for you and me.
Winston
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The House speaker stated that MP's will be exempt from covid pass. Just because YOU have not heard it, does not make it untrue.
A simple google search shows you press release regarding it.
If the Met police investigate the parties, then great, but the stumbling block will no doubt be the CPS if the Met police deem it necessary to refer it to them for review... Highly unlikely tho...
And then does anyone really think the CPS will make a decision to charge? Again extremely doubtful.
And of course being vaccinated is a private matter. no one is saying it isnt. But now we are in a position to either have to show our vaccine pass for certain scenarios) which confirms a course of vaccinations (soon to be 2 vaccines and the booster) because the first 2 didn't do the job, or a negative test.
Maybe another search of the subject 'netiquette' would help you with your posts. Starting off with 'Incorrect' at the start of your post isn't really the best way to start a forum dialogue. |
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"Is this not a free country we live in and hopefully everyone is capable of making their own decisions! And hopefully when it comes to medical decisions everyone can keep their decision private! I don’t see everyone screaming and shouting about weather or not that have had this and that at the doctors before this!
It’s peoples privacy what they choose to do or don’t do at the doctors and why has this changed?
I don’t see why everyone feels so comfortable asking complete strangers what they have had done at the doctors all of a sudden.
We are all adults and can make a sensible decision made on the facts, whatever that maybe!
A lot of people on this website decide to keep this part of themselves private from the ones they care about, do we judge them?
Well said mate .. this is what annoys me.. I'm fit and healthy I don't need to take vaccine after vaccine i just want to be left alone to live my life.. which is how it should be.. but no we have to be bullied threatened restricted to the point where eventually I won't be allowed to buy food until I've had it.. this should be a big red flag for everyone to see.. but they don't .. just obey the corrupt government and listen to the paid off scientists and doctors
meanwhile the Boris and Co are allowed to party and nothing happens.
They and other government officials are also exempt from a covid pass.....makes you wonder if they have all have the vaccine too? I mean if they are telling the country that vaccine passes are in effect, why are they exempt?
Incorrect, Boris and Co are not allowed to party. They are subject to the same rules as everyone else. It appears that they, like a great many other people chose to bend/break the rules. Something is happening, I believe the police are investigating. Rightly so.
I've never heard of any government officials being exempt from Covid Passports.
Regarding whether they are or are not vaccinated is a private matter. Same as it is for you and me.
Winston
The House speaker stated that MP's will be exempt from covid pass. Just because YOU have not heard it, does not make it untrue.
A simple google search shows you press release regarding it.
If the Met police investigate the parties, then great, but the stumbling block will no doubt be the CPS if the Met police deem it necessary to refer it to them for review... Highly unlikely tho...
And then does anyone really think the CPS will make a decision to charge? Again extremely doubtful.
And of course being vaccinated is a private matter. no one is saying it isnt. But now we are in a position to either have to show our vaccine pass for certain scenarios) which confirms a course of vaccinations (soon to be 2 vaccines and the booster) because the first 2 didn't do the job, or a negative test.
Maybe another search of the subject 'netiquette' would help you with your posts. Starting off with 'Incorrect' at the start of your post isn't really the best way to start a forum dialogue."
Yet another reply from someone who needs to research viruses and how vaccines work to protect you.
Here is a clue, but you still need to research it: The Vaccines are working! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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The only reason I post hear is because I hate the idea of some of the dangerous information posted being believed.
Let's end the line about vaccines "not working" if they need boosters.
There is a long list of travel vaccinations:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/travel-vaccinations/jabs/
Some are taken once in a lifetime. Some require regular boosters.
They work. They have worked for years.
The whole world is now an area where we need to vaccinate to minimise risk of illness and spreading illness.
Life changes. Rather than pretending that nothing has changed and must be the same as before, accept it. Incorporate it into your normal life and move on, otherwise you are going to be permanently unhappy and it seems like misery loves company... |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
Have you compared deaths before vaccine and Covid deaths since vaccine? Think you should
Much more importantly, have you researched how vaccines work? I think that you should!!!!!!"
They present a neutralised foreign body to the immune system, to give the immune system an opportunity to react faster to the real pathogen and reduce serious illness and contagion.
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"Is this not a free country we live in and hopefully everyone is capable of making their own decisions! And hopefully when it comes to medical decisions everyone can keep their decision private! I don’t see everyone screaming and shouting about weather or not that have had this and that at the doctors before this!
It’s peoples privacy what they choose to do or don’t do at the doctors and why has this changed?
I don’t see why everyone feels so comfortable asking complete strangers what they have had done at the doctors all of a sudden.
We are all adults and can make a sensible decision made on the facts, whatever that maybe!
A lot of people on this website decide to keep this part of themselves private from the ones they care about, do we judge them?
Well said mate .. this is what annoys me.. I'm fit and healthy I don't need to take vaccine after vaccine i just want to be left alone to live my life.. which is how it should be.. but no we have to be bullied threatened restricted to the point where eventually I won't be allowed to buy food until I've had it.. this should be a big red flag for everyone to see.. but they don't .. just obey the corrupt government and listen to the paid off scientists and doctors
meanwhile the Boris and Co are allowed to party and nothing happens.
They and other government officials are also exempt from a covid pass.....makes you wonder if they have all have the vaccine too? I mean if they are telling the country that vaccine passes are in effect, why are they exempt?
Incorrect, Boris and Co are not allowed to party. They are subject to the same rules as everyone else. It appears that they, like a great many other people chose to bend/break the rules. Something is happening, I believe the police are investigating. Rightly so.
I've never heard of any government officials being exempt from Covid Passports.
Regarding whether they are or are not vaccinated is a private matter. Same as it is for you and me.
Winston
The House speaker stated that MP's will be exempt from covid pass. Just because YOU have not heard it, does not make it untrue.
A simple google search shows you press release regarding it.
If the Met police investigate the parties, then great, but the stumbling block will no doubt be the CPS if the Met police deem it necessary to refer it to them for review... Highly unlikely tho...
And then does anyone really think the CPS will make a decision to charge? Again extremely doubtful.
And of course being vaccinated is a private matter. no one is saying it isnt. But now we are in a position to either have to show our vaccine pass for certain scenarios) which confirms a course of vaccinations (soon to be 2 vaccines and the booster) because the first 2 didn't do the job, or a negative test.
Maybe another search of the subject 'netiquette' would help you with your posts. Starting off with 'Incorrect' at the start of your post isn't really the best way to start a forum dialogue.
Yet another reply from someone who needs to research viruses and how vaccines work to protect you.
Here is a clue, but you still need to research it: The Vaccines are working! "
Not what the CDC in America are saying about the Johnson & Johnson one....lol
One size doesn't fit all.....ludicrous how people just dismiss the people injured from vaccines on here but think they are experts without questioning the same people who initially said Johnson & Johnson vaccines were safe.
Madness....
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"Is this not a free country we live in and hopefully everyone is capable of making their own decisions! And hopefully when it comes to medical decisions everyone can keep their decision private! I don’t see everyone screaming and shouting about weather or not that have had this and that at the doctors before this!
It’s peoples privacy what they choose to do or don’t do at the doctors and why has this changed?
I don’t see why everyone feels so comfortable asking complete strangers what they have had done at the doctors all of a sudden.
We are all adults and can make a sensible decision made on the facts, whatever that maybe!
A lot of people on this website decide to keep this part of themselves private from the ones they care about, do we judge them?
Well said mate .. this is what annoys me.. I'm fit and healthy I don't need to take vaccine after vaccine i just want to be left alone to live my life.. which is how it should be.. but no we have to be bullied threatened restricted to the point where eventually I won't be allowed to buy food until I've had it.. this should be a big red flag for everyone to see.. but they don't .. just obey the corrupt government and listen to the paid off scientists and doctors
meanwhile the Boris and Co are allowed to party and nothing happens.
They and other government officials are also exempt from a covid pass.....makes you wonder if they have all have the vaccine too? I mean if they are telling the country that vaccine passes are in effect, why are they exempt?
Incorrect, Boris and Co are not allowed to party. They are subject to the same rules as everyone else. It appears that they, like a great many other people chose to bend/break the rules. Something is happening, I believe the police are investigating. Rightly so.
I've never heard of any government officials being exempt from Covid Passports.
Regarding whether they are or are not vaccinated is a private matter. Same as it is for you and me.
Winston
The House speaker stated that MP's will be exempt from covid pass. Just because YOU have not heard it, does not make it untrue.
A simple google search shows you press release regarding it.
If the Met police investigate the parties, then great, but the stumbling block will no doubt be the CPS if the Met police deem it necessary to refer it to them for review... Highly unlikely tho...
And then does anyone really think the CPS will make a decision to charge? Again extremely doubtful.
And of course being vaccinated is a private matter. no one is saying it isnt. But now we are in a position to either have to show our vaccine pass for certain scenarios) which confirms a course of vaccinations (soon to be 2 vaccines and the booster) because the first 2 didn't do the job, or a negative test.
Maybe another search of the subject 'netiquette' would help you with your posts. Starting off with 'Incorrect' at the start of your post isn't really the best way to start a forum dialogue."
Thank you for the lecture regarding forum etiquette. I thinks also good form to post factually correct information.
And in that spirit, the Speaker of the House suggested MPs should be exempt fron the Covid passport when attending the House of Commons. Not that they should be exempt from all avenues of life. Personally I disagree with this, but that doesn't change what he actually said.
I'd suggest if the police can investigate Prince Andrew they won't worry too much about investigating Borises parties.
You'll note I don't present my personal speculation as fact. I believe that's also considered poor form.
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Stick a cock in any orifice. Take a cock in any orifice. Take a load of a strangers cum down your gullet or up the other various points of entry. Insertions galore… and yet all this fuss over a little jab of medicine. |
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"Stick a cock in any orifice. Take a cock in any orifice. Take a load of a strangers cum down your gullet or up the other various points of entry. Insertions galore… and yet all this fuss over a little jab of medicine. "
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"Stick a cock in any orifice. Take a cock in any orifice. Take a load of a strangers cum down your gullet or up the other various points of entry. Insertions galore… and yet all this fuss over a little jab of medicine. "
Nice try but hardly the same AT ALL. Not even comparable.
To all those who 'trust the science' don't you see that the science is changing all the time? New info and understandings unfolding all the time. What will they tell us in another 6 months? 12? 2 years?
Whatever your standpoint you at least must recognize that this is the most ineffective vaccine out of all the vaccines we have in modern times. I'm not sure why people are denying that. |
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"Stick a cock in any orifice. Take a cock in any orifice. Take a load of a strangers cum down your gullet or up the other various points of entry. Insertions galore… and yet all this fuss over a little jab of medicine.
Nice try but hardly the same AT ALL. Not even comparable.
To all those who 'trust the science' don't you see that the science is changing all the time? New info and understandings unfolding all the time. What will they tell us in another 6 months? 12? 2 years?
Whatever your standpoint you at least must recognize that this is the most ineffective vaccine out of all the vaccines we have in modern times. I'm not sure why people are denying that. "
Ineffective? This time last year there were nearly 1000 dying a day and many more becoming dangerously ill, compare that to now. |
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"Stick a cock in any orifice. Take a cock in any orifice. Take a load of a strangers cum down your gullet or up the other various points of entry. Insertions galore… and yet all this fuss over a little jab of medicine.
Nice try but hardly the same AT ALL. Not even comparable.
To all those who 'trust the science' don't you see that the science is changing all the time? New info and understandings unfolding all the time. What will they tell us in another 6 months? 12? 2 years?
Whatever your standpoint you at least must recognize that this is the most ineffective vaccine out of all the vaccines we have in modern times. I'm not sure why people are denying that. "
Compare the mortality rates prior to the vaccine roll out and mortality rates now.
Compare hospitalisation rates prior to the vaccine roll out and hospitalisation rates now.
Compare patients in ICU rates prior to the vaccine roll out and ICU rates now.
Then come back and tell me how ineffective the vaccines are.
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"Stick a cock in any orifice. Take a cock in any orifice. Take a load of a strangers cum down your gullet or up the other various points of entry. Insertions galore… and yet all this fuss over a little jab of medicine.
Nice try but hardly the same AT ALL. Not even comparable.
To all those who 'trust the science' don't you see that the science is changing all the time? New info and understandings unfolding all the time. What will they tell us in another 6 months? 12? 2 years?
Whatever your standpoint you at least must recognize that this is the most ineffective vaccine out of all the vaccines we have in modern times. I'm not sure why people are denying that.
Compare the mortality rates prior to the vaccine roll out and mortality rates now.
Compare hospitalisation rates prior to the vaccine roll out and hospitalisation rates now.
Compare patients in ICU rates prior to the vaccine roll out and ICU rates now.
Then come back and tell me how ineffective the vaccines are.
Winston"
I'm not saying there is zero efficiency, please reread what I actually said rather than sounding off your virtue signaling auto-narrative.
Also take into account that perhaps those who were gonna die have mostly done so and/or covid on death certificate did not mean died of covid plus new varient being milder etc etc
If people admit the vaccine is rubbish then maybe they'll make a better one!
Bottom line, the vaccine is not good enough, even Pfizer are working on things to improve efficiency because they know its not working well enough too! |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Yes. The flu vaccine acts in the same way. The virus mutates quickly. That's why we need a new one each year. Covid mutates much faster.
People were out for much of this year because of the vaccination program and fewer people dying and becoming seriously ill.
The booster will reduce Omicron spread and hospital admissions allowing people to be treated for all the other medical conditions and accidents that happen.
Vaccination is a big win for everyone.
Like all manner of first world privileges you are scorning something that many people in the world would love to have.
Your last paragraph.
Absofuckinglutely.
Winston "
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
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Do you think it's fair to assume that the vaccine developed in 2020 should protect us against all future vatia.ts and mutations of a virus forever ? |
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Do you think it's fair to assume that the vaccine developed in 2020 should protect us against all future vatia.ts and mutations of a virus forever ?"
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"Wasn't there mention of a polyvalent vaccine at the briefing a few days ago, which will be able to protect against multiple variants? "
WOW, I have never heard of 'polyvalent vaccine'. So I did a quick search but the only information that I can find is from June 2021. Even in the article Chris Whitty said he expects “a further winter surge… because we know that winter and autumn favour respiratory viruses”. He also stated in the article that the vaccine 'could be available in five years'. It is an interesting read and the Royal Pharmaceutical Society has made the article free to access (https://pharmaceutical-journal.com/article/news/polyvalent-covid-19-vaccines-expected-in-five-years-says-chief-medical-officer). xx |
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If I had 3 smallpox vaccines in 9 months and still caught smallpox, I’d still have questions…
Mind you…..maybe that is the next pandemic seeing as Bill Gates has recently predicted it as being so…. |
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"Wasn't there mention of a polyvalent vaccine at the briefing a few days ago, which will be able to protect against multiple variants? "
This is exactly what we need, finally someone! I guess the rest are happy with 'boosters' every 3 months. Shame on you! Dream bigger! |
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"Wasn't there mention of a polyvalent vaccine at the briefing a few days ago, which will be able to protect against multiple variants?
This is exactly what we need, finally someone! I guess the rest are happy with 'boosters' every 3 months. Shame on you! Dream bigger! "
Read my post above. Science is Science and it isn't as black and white as what you may think xx |
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"Stick a cock in any orifice. Take a cock in any orifice. Take a load of a strangers cum down your gullet or up the other various points of entry. Insertions galore… and yet all this fuss over a little jab of medicine.
Nice try but hardly the same AT ALL. Not even comparable.
To all those who 'trust the science' don't you see that the science is changing all the time? New info and understandings unfolding all the time. What will they tell us in another 6 months? 12? 2 years?
Whatever your standpoint you at least must recognize that this is the most ineffective vaccine out of all the vaccines we have in modern times. I'm not sure why people are denying that.
Compare the mortality rates prior to the vaccine roll out and mortality rates now.
Compare hospitalisation rates prior to the vaccine roll out and hospitalisation rates now.
Compare patients in ICU rates prior to the vaccine roll out and ICU rates now.
Then come back and tell me how ineffective the vaccines are.
Winston
I'm not saying there is zero efficiency, please reread what I actually said rather than sounding off your virtue signaling auto-narrative.
Also take into account that perhaps those who were gonna die have mostly done so and/or covid on death certificate did not mean died of covid plus new varient being milder etc etc
If people admit the vaccine is rubbish then maybe they'll make a better one!
Bottom line, the vaccine is not good enough, even Pfizer are working on things to improve efficiency because they know its not working well enough too! "
How the whatsit is suggesting you check the before and after numbers a virtue signalling narrative?
Why on earth would anyone admit the vaccines are rubbish when they've changed the world and saved umpteen thousands of lives?
It's funny, when presented with facts that demonstrate a comment is nonsense how its always about a narrative. No one ever holds their hands up and says ooops I got that wrong.
#somebodyelsesfault
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"Stick a cock in any orifice. Take a cock in any orifice. Take a load of a strangers cum down your gullet or up the other various points of entry. Insertions galore… and yet all this fuss over a little jab of medicine.
Nice try but hardly the same AT ALL. Not even comparable.
To all those who 'trust the science' don't you see that the science is changing all the time? New info and understandings unfolding all the time. What will they tell us in another 6 months? 12? 2 years?
Whatever your standpoint you at least must recognize that this is the most ineffective vaccine out of all the vaccines we have in modern times. I'm not sure why people are denying that.
Compare the mortality rates prior to the vaccine roll out and mortality rates now.
Compare hospitalisation rates prior to the vaccine roll out and hospitalisation rates now.
Compare patients in ICU rates prior to the vaccine roll out and ICU rates now.
Then come back and tell me how ineffective the vaccines are.
Winston
I'm not saying there is zero efficiency, please reread what I actually said rather than sounding off your virtue signaling auto-narrative.
Also take into account that perhaps those who were gonna die have mostly done so and/or covid on death certificate did not mean died of covid plus new varient being milder etc etc
If people admit the vaccine is rubbish then maybe they'll make a better one!
Bottom line, the vaccine is not good enough, even Pfizer are working on things to improve efficiency because they know its not working well enough too!
How the whatsit is suggesting you check the before and after numbers a virtue signalling narrative?
Why on earth would anyone admit the vaccines are rubbish when they've changed the world and saved umpteen thousands of lives?
It's funny, when presented with facts that demonstrate a comment is nonsense how its always about a narrative. No one ever holds their hands up and says ooops I got that wrong.
#somebodyelsesfault
Winston"
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"Stick a cock in any orifice. Take a cock in any orifice. Take a load of a strangers cum down your gullet or up the other various points of entry. Insertions galore… and yet all this fuss over a little jab of medicine.
Nice try but hardly the same AT ALL. Not even comparable.
To all those who 'trust the science' don't you see that the science is changing all the time? New info and understandings unfolding all the time. What will they tell us in another 6 months? 12? 2 years?
Whatever your standpoint you at least must recognize that this is the most ineffective vaccine out of all the vaccines we have in modern times. I'm not sure why people are denying that.
Compare the mortality rates prior to the vaccine roll out and mortality rates now.
Compare hospitalisation rates prior to the vaccine roll out and hospitalisation rates now.
Compare patients in ICU rates prior to the vaccine roll out and ICU rates now.
Then come back and tell me how ineffective the vaccines are.
Winston
I'm not saying there is zero efficiency, please reread what I actually said rather than sounding off your virtue signaling auto-narrative.
Also take into account that perhaps those who were gonna die have mostly done so and/or covid on death certificate did not mean died of covid plus new varient being milder etc etc
If people admit the vaccine is rubbish then maybe they'll make a better one!
Bottom line, the vaccine is not good enough, even Pfizer are working on things to improve efficiency because they know its not working well enough too!
How the whatsit is suggesting you check the before and after numbers a virtue signalling narrative?
Why on earth would anyone admit the vaccines are rubbish when they've changed the world and saved umpteen thousands of lives?
It's funny, when presented with facts that demonstrate a comment is nonsense how its always about a narrative. No one ever holds their hands up and says ooops I got that wrong.
#somebodyelsesfault
Winston
There is only one thing that the scientists have done wrong, they should have brought out a vaccine for stupid first. "
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"Stick a cock in any orifice. Take a cock in any orifice. Take a load of a strangers cum down your gullet or up the other various points of entry. Insertions galore… and yet all this fuss over a little jab of medicine.
Nice try but hardly the same AT ALL. Not even comparable.
To all those who 'trust the science' don't you see that the science is changing all the time? New info and understandings unfolding all the time. What will they tell us in another 6 months? 12? 2 years?
Whatever your standpoint you at least must recognize that this is the most ineffective vaccine out of all the vaccines we have in modern times. I'm not sure why people are denying that.
Compare the mortality rates prior to the vaccine roll out and mortality rates now.
Compare hospitalisation rates prior to the vaccine roll out and hospitalisation rates now.
Compare patients in ICU rates prior to the vaccine roll out and ICU rates now.
Then come back and tell me how ineffective the vaccines are.
Winston
I'm not saying there is zero efficiency, please reread what I actually said rather than sounding off your virtue signaling auto-narrative.
Also take into account that perhaps those who were gonna die have mostly done so and/or covid on death certificate did not mean died of covid plus new varient being milder etc etc
If people admit the vaccine is rubbish then maybe they'll make a better one!
Bottom line, the vaccine is not good enough, even Pfizer are working on things to improve efficiency because they know its not working well enough too!
How the whatsit is suggesting you check the before and after numbers a virtue signalling narrative?
Why on earth would anyone admit the vaccines are rubbish when they've changed the world and saved umpteen thousands of lives?
It's funny, when presented with facts that demonstrate a comment is nonsense how its always about a narrative. No one ever holds their hands up and says ooops I got that wrong.
#somebodyelsesfault
Winston"
Because you're not even reading let alone understanding what I'm actually saying, you're literally talking to yourself more than you're responding to me. Perhaps you're trying to tell yourself something? What was that last line? Oops you got it what now? Hands up!
I stand by my words, the efficiency of the vaccine needs improving, its not good enough. |
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"Stick a cock in any orifice. Take a cock in any orifice. Take a load of a strangers cum down your gullet or up the other various points of entry. Insertions galore… and yet all this fuss over a little jab of medicine.
Nice try but hardly the same AT ALL. Not even comparable.
To all those who 'trust the science' don't you see that the science is changing all the time? New info and understandings unfolding all the time. What will they tell us in another 6 months? 12? 2 years?
Whatever your standpoint you at least must recognize that this is the most ineffective vaccine out of all the vaccines we have in modern times. I'm not sure why people are denying that.
Compare the mortality rates prior to the vaccine roll out and mortality rates now.
Compare hospitalisation rates prior to the vaccine roll out and hospitalisation rates now.
Compare patients in ICU rates prior to the vaccine roll out and ICU rates now.
Then come back and tell me how ineffective the vaccines are.
Winston
I'm not saying there is zero efficiency, please reread what I actually said rather than sounding off your virtue signaling auto-narrative.
Also take into account that perhaps those who were gonna die have mostly done so and/or covid on death certificate did not mean died of covid plus new varient being milder etc etc
If people admit the vaccine is rubbish then maybe they'll make a better one!
Bottom line, the vaccine is not good enough, even Pfizer are working on things to improve efficiency because they know its not working well enough too!
How the whatsit is suggesting you check the before and after numbers a virtue signalling narrative?
Why on earth would anyone admit the vaccines are rubbish when they've changed the world and saved umpteen thousands of lives?
It's funny, when presented with facts that demonstrate a comment is nonsense how its always about a narrative. No one ever holds their hands up and says ooops I got that wrong.
#somebodyelsesfault
Winston
Because you're not even reading let alone understanding what I'm actually saying, you're literally talking to yourself more than you're responding to me. Perhaps you're trying to tell yourself something? What was that last line? Oops you got it what now? Hands up!
I stand by my words, the efficiency of the vaccine needs improving, its not good enough. "
It's not good enough for what?
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over a year ago
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"Stick a cock in any orifice. Take a cock in any orifice. Take a load of a strangers cum down your gullet or up the other various points of entry. Insertions galore… and yet all this fuss over a little jab of medicine.
Nice try but hardly the same AT ALL. Not even comparable.
To all those who 'trust the science' don't you see that the science is changing all the time? New info and understandings unfolding all the time. What will they tell us in another 6 months? 12? 2 years?
Whatever your standpoint you at least must recognize that this is the most ineffective vaccine out of all the vaccines we have in modern times. I'm not sure why people are denying that.
Compare the mortality rates prior to the vaccine roll out and mortality rates now.
Compare hospitalisation rates prior to the vaccine roll out and hospitalisation rates now.
Compare patients in ICU rates prior to the vaccine roll out and ICU rates now.
Then come back and tell me how ineffective the vaccines are.
Winston
I'm not saying there is zero efficiency, please reread what I actually said rather than sounding off your virtue signaling auto-narrative.
Also take into account that perhaps those who were gonna die have mostly done so and/or covid on death certificate did not mean died of covid plus new varient being milder etc etc
If people admit the vaccine is rubbish then maybe they'll make a better one!
Bottom line, the vaccine is not good enough, even Pfizer are working on things to improve efficiency because they know its not working well enough too! "
Nonsense piled in non-sense.
The whole narrative has rolled from:
This is no worse than flu to it is a bad flu to lots of people are I'll and dying but better that than get a new vaccine to the vaccine is not "effective enough".
What the actual f***?
The vaccination program has saved, literally hundreds and thousands of lives.
It's as effective as it could ever possibly be.
The statistics remain the same. Unvaccinated and under vaccinated are far more likely to die. I wouldn't mind if the virus was not so random in its effect on who was and was not suseptible and if there weren't and if there weren't people who would like vaccinations but are unable to.
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Oh wow, you guys are unbelievable! You're serious aren't you?
Don't you agree that it would be preferable if taking the vaccine meant that you couldn't catch or transmit covid AT ALL with just 1 jab? Wouldn't that be miles better than what the current vaccine does?
That's all I'm asking here really, to admit it could be much better than it is or are you seriously happy with the results so far and don't feel that there's room for improvement? |
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"Oh wow, you guys are unbelievable! You're serious aren't you?
Don't you agree that it would be preferable if taking the vaccine meant that you couldn't catch or transmit covid AT ALL with just 1 jab? Wouldn't that be miles better than what the current vaccine does?
That's all I'm asking here really, to admit it could be much better than it is or are you seriously happy with the results so far and don't feel that there's room for improvement? "
If there was a magic wand that could be waved to produce the perfect vaccine then of course it would be a much better option but nature doesn't work that way, it never has and it never will and we are always going to be playing catch up on a naturally mutating virus..
Look how long it took to address other issues, malaria, hiv etc..
But given twelve months ago only a few thousand had been given one dose of one vaccine to where we are today we are in a much better situation than we were then.. |
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"Oh wow, you guys are unbelievable! You're serious aren't you?
Don't you agree that it would be preferable if taking the vaccine meant that you couldn't catch or transmit covid AT ALL with just 1 jab? Wouldn't that be miles better than what the current vaccine does?
That's all I'm asking here really, to admit it could be much better than it is or are you seriously happy with the results so far and don't feel that there's room for improvement? "
I would like a perfect solution?
Yes
Is there a perfect solution?
No
So? I take a very good solution instead.
What is your definition of acceptable? |
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You guys are impossible, I'm not asking for magic wands or perfect solutions here, I'm simply asking for a better solution than we one we currently have, is that okay with you? Jeez
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"Oh wow, you guys are unbelievable! You're serious aren't you?
Don't you agree that it would be preferable if taking the vaccine meant that you couldn't catch or transmit covid AT ALL with just 1 jab? Wouldn't that be miles better than what the current vaccine does?
That's all I'm asking here really, to admit it could be much better than it is or are you seriously happy with the results so far and don't feel that there's room for improvement? "
What drivel you have been writing.
How many mutations are there between delta and omicron? |
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"You guys are impossible, I'm not asking for magic wands or perfect solutions here, I'm simply asking for a better solution than we one we currently have, is that okay with you? Jeez
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You said, and it's clearly written in your post a few posts up, "the current vaccines are ineffective".
As many people have pointed out, that's nonsense.
As clearly demonstrated by the reduction in mortality rates, hospitalisation and ICU occupancy from before and after the vaccine roll out.
How that makes it ineffective is anybody guess.
Please explain.
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"You guys are impossible, I'm not asking for magic wands or perfect solutions here, I'm simply asking for a better solution than we one we currently have, is that okay with you? Jeez
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You can ask for anything you like, but the question is whether that ask is reasonable.
Do you know something the scientists who developed these vaccines don't? If so you should probably let them know.
If not then it would appear you're just criticising for the sake of it. |
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"You guys are impossible, I'm not asking for magic wands or perfect solutions here, I'm simply asking for a better solution than we one we currently have, is that okay with you? Jeez
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What
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The vaccines are not as effective as they could be, it's not rocket science. People are pissed off they've had 3 jabs and still do not feel protected from covid.
Don't twist my words and try to make me look dumb here. Many feel they were mis-sold this vaccine and there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting better results from it at all. |
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"The vaccines are not as effective as they could be, it's not rocket science. People are pissed off they've had 3 jabs and still do not feel protected from covid.
Don't twist my words and try to make me look dumb here. Many feel they were mis-sold this vaccine and there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting better results from it at all. "
Not rocket science huh? Have you created a cure for a world wide pandemic? |
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"The vaccines are not as effective as they could be, it's not rocket science. People are pissed off they've had 3 jabs and still do not feel protected from covid.
Don't twist my words and try to make me look dumb here. Many feel they were mis-sold this vaccine and there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting better results from it at all. "
Who’s been missold? I don’t feel I have. It was never ever claimed to be a miracle cure. It was to help reduce hospital admissions and deaths. Why don’t you understand this ? New variants are not the fault of any government it’s nature.
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"Stick a cock in any orifice. Take a cock in any orifice. Take a load of a strangers cum down your gullet or up the other various points of entry. Insertions galore… and yet all this fuss over a little jab of medicine.
Nice try but hardly the same AT ALL. Not even comparable.
To all those who 'trust the science' don't you see that the science is changing all the time? New info and understandings unfolding all the time. What will they tell us in another 6 months? 12? 2 years?
Whatever your standpoint you at least must recognize that this is the most ineffective vaccine out of all the vaccines we have in modern times. I'm not sure why people are denying that. "
Flu is 40-60% effective
Cholera is 85% effective but reduces to 50% after a year
Mumps 88%
Tetanus 70%
Typhoid 60% booster every two years
All popular vaccines that don’t have 100% effectiveness. All been around a long time aswell |
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"The vaccines are not as effective as they could be, it's not rocket science. People are pissed off they've had 3 jabs and still do not feel protected from covid.
Don't twist my words and try to make me look dumb here. Many feel they were mis-sold this vaccine and there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting better results from it at all. "
How do you know how effective they could be?
Comparing covid vaccines with many other vaccines is ridiculous.
I asked earlier how many mutations between delta and omicron. You haven't responded so I will tell you...Fifty...
Do you know how often varicella-zoster (chickpox virus) mutates? A reasonable estimate of its evolution rate is one new mutation every 200 to 400 years.
Can you see why a covid vaccine as 'effective' as you would like?
The vaccines have saved lives and kept the vulnerable much better protected. You only need to see the split of cases today for each age group and compare historically to realise that the vaccines are working well at preventing serious disease..why? Boosters and T cells from the first 2 doses. |
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"The vaccines are not as effective as they could be, it's not rocket science. People are pissed off they've had 3 jabs and still do not feel protected from covid.
Don't twist my words and try to make me look dumb here. Many feel they were mis-sold this vaccine and there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting better results from it at all.
How do you know how effective they could be?
Comparing covid vaccines with many other vaccines is ridiculous.
I asked earlier how many mutations between delta and omicron. You haven't responded so I will tell you...Fifty...
Do you know how often varicella-zoster (chickpox virus) mutates? A reasonable estimate of its evolution rate is one new mutation every 200 to 400 years.
Can you see why a covid vaccine as 'effective' as you would like?
The vaccines have saved lives and kept the vulnerable much better protected. You only need to see the split of cases today for each age group and compare historically to realise that the vaccines are working well at preventing serious disease..why? Boosters and T cells from the first 2 doses."
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By *asyukMan
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"The vaccines are not as effective as they could be, it's not rocket science. People are pissed off they've had 3 jabs and still do not feel protected from covid.
Don't twist my words and try to make me look dumb here. Many feel they were mis-sold this vaccine and there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting better results from it at all. "
It is harder than rocket science.
Be as pissed off as you wish. A miracle cure cannot be found and nobody promised you one. You made that up in your own head.
Perhaps you can show us a link as to where you were misled and how you think that a better solution can be conjured up? |
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"The vaccines are not as effective as they could be, it's not rocket science. People are pissed off they've had 3 jabs and still do not feel protected from covid.
Don't twist my words and try to make me look dumb here. Many feel they were mis-sold this vaccine and there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting better results from it at all. "
Just look up how vaccines actually work on a reputable website. (Conspiracy theory hotbeds don't count.)
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"The vaccines are not as effective as they could be, it's not rocket science. People are pissed off they've had 3 jabs and still do not feel protected from covid.
Don't twist my words and try to make me look dumb here. Many feel they were mis-sold this vaccine and there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting better results from it at all. "
These are your words;
"Whatever your standpoint you at least must recognize that this is the most ineffective vaccine out of all the vaccines we have in modern times."
I'm not sure how they're being twisted. Several posters have pointed out how your words are not correct. That's not twisting your words.
Poster says they really like cabbage.
Another poster asks why you're saying you hate carrots.
That is twisting your words.
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"You guys are impossible, I'm not asking for magic wands or perfect solutions here, I'm simply asking for a better solution than we one we currently have, is that okay with you? Jeez
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You know how a Virus and a Vaccine work right?
Depending upon the Virus, a vaccine will not necessarily prevent you from catching the Virus!
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Hear, hear!
Yes. The flu vaccine acts in the same way. The virus mutates quickly. That's why we need a new one each year. Covid mutates much faster.
People were out for much of this year because of the vaccination program and fewer people dying and becoming seriously ill.
The booster will reduce Omicron spread and hospital admissions allowing people to be treated for all the other medical conditions and accidents that happen.
Vaccination is a big win for everyone.
Like all manner of first world privileges you are scorning something that many people in the world would love to have."
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"Most people I know are saying 'screw this!' 3 jabs in and not much has changed, never heard of a vaccine that doesn't really work properly have you?
Let's face it, the only people this is working for aside from the truly vulnerable is Pfizer and there shareholders.
Totally agree if we are required to have 3 jabs in 9 month's the vaccine is not effective! The whole point of vaccine was that we would have some normality ( NHS were fucked before COVID hit) they are all delerious!
Covid doesn't care about you, me, pro vaxxers, anti vaxxers, Boris Johnson or Keir Starmer, it simply wants to survive in a receptive host and will mutate to do so.
One of the reasons many of us are still here is because of the vaccine programme. This time last year 1000 a day were dying with little hope in sight, now its down to low double figures.
Imagine, in crude terms, 900 people alive every day who last year would be dead. Vaccines have saved thousands AND allowed us to return to a semblance of normality."
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"Wasn't there mention of a polyvalent vaccine at the briefing a few days ago, which will be able to protect against multiple variants?
This is exactly what we need, finally someone! I guess the rest are happy with 'boosters' every 3 months. Shame on you! Dream bigger! "
Early predictions are the polyvalent vaccine will be available in 5 years.
So we should stop boosters and tuning the vaccines we currently and put the world on hold for 5 years?
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"The vaccines are not as effective as they could be, it's not rocket science. People are pissed off they've had 3 jabs and still do not feel protected from covid.
Don't twist my words and try to make me look dumb here. Many feel they were mis-sold this vaccine and there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting better results from it at all. "
We are where we are with what we have, it really is that simple..
Being pissed off with the reality of not having the perfect vaccine when it's accepted science that vaccines mutate to survive just serves to exhibit a gross ignorance, sorry if that sounds harsh..
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What a bunch of condescending nobs, you're like the covid deniers in reverse! Nothing to do with cabbage and carrots and that comment about'listening to my mates' down at the pub is a direct attack on my intelligence. Why? The way to educate people isn't by insulting them.
There's really no point in responding to most of what you all said as you don't listen. You've suggested I'm an anti vax conspiricy theorist (which I'm not) simply as I have a diff opinion to yours. The OP questioned how effective the vaccine is, a healthy questioning if you ask me, esp given how corrupt the world is. Stats are manipulated (eg covid on death certificate even if didn't die of covid) etc etc
I guess it comes down to how much you trust the government, the media and billion dollar corporations. They rarely give us the full picture. I think its more obvious than ever how corrupt, self serving and opportunist they all are and if you can't see that then keep your blinkers on as long as you need to. I stand by my words in relation to the OP. The vaccine isn't effective enough in my opinion regardless of 'what is possible' right now. |
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"What a bunch of condescending nobs, you're like the covid deniers in reverse! Nothing to do with cabbage and carrots and that comment about'listening to my mates' down at the pub is a direct attack on my intelligence. Why? The way to educate people isn't by insulting them.
There's really no point in responding to most of what you all said as you don't listen. You've suggested I'm an anti vax conspiricy theorist (which I'm not) simply as I have a diff opinion to yours. The OP questioned how effective the vaccine is, a healthy questioning if you ask me, esp given how corrupt the world is. Stats are manipulated (eg covid on death certificate even if didn't die of covid) etc etc
I guess it comes down to how much you trust the government, the media and billion dollar corporations. They rarely give us the full picture. I think its more obvious than ever how corrupt, self serving and opportunist they all are and if you can't see that then keep your blinkers on as long as you need to. I stand by my words in relation to the OP. The vaccine isn't effective enough in my opinion regardless of 'what is possible' right now. "
Scroll up, read my comment and pass on a comment or two. Please. |
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"What a bunch of condescending nobs, you're like the covid deniers in reverse! Nothing to do with cabbage and carrots and that comment about'listening to my mates' down at the pub is a direct attack on my intelligence. Why? The way to educate people isn't by insulting them.
There's really no point in responding to most of what you all said as you don't listen. You've suggested I'm an anti vax conspiricy theorist (which I'm not) simply as I have a diff opinion to yours. The OP questioned how effective the vaccine is, a healthy questioning if you ask me, esp given how corrupt the world is. Stats are manipulated (eg covid on death certificate even if didn't die of covid) etc etc
I guess it comes down to how much you trust the government, the media and billion dollar corporations. They rarely give us the full picture. I think its more obvious than ever how corrupt, self serving and opportunist they all are and if you can't see that then keep your blinkers on as long as you need to. I stand by my words in relation to the OP. The vaccine isn't effective enough in my opinion regardless of 'what is possible' right now. "
So the dramatic reduction in infection to death ratio immediately following the vaccine rollout was and is due to ??? |
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"What a bunch of condescending nobs, you're like the covid deniers in reverse! Nothing to do with cabbage and carrots and that comment about'listening to my mates' down at the pub is a direct attack on my intelligence. Why? The way to educate people isn't by insulting them.
There's really no point in responding to most of what you all said as you don't listen. You've suggested I'm an anti vax conspiricy theorist (which I'm not) simply as I have a diff opinion to yours. The OP questioned how effective the vaccine is, a healthy questioning if you ask me, esp given how corrupt the world is. Stats are manipulated (eg covid on death certificate even if didn't die of covid) etc etc
I guess it comes down to how much you trust the government, the media and billion dollar corporations. They rarely give us the full picture. I think its more obvious than ever how corrupt, self serving and opportunist they all are and if you can't see that then keep your blinkers on as long as you need to. I stand by my words in relation to the OP. The vaccine isn't effective enough in my opinion regardless of 'what is possible' right now. "
"Condescending nobs"? I guess that's complimentary language?
You're not an anti-vaxx conspiracy theorist yet the rest of your post goes on to sound like that's exactly what you are, using the hackneyed references of a conspiracy theorist!
Remember your previous comment where you said the vaccine is "ineffective"? Now it's "not effective enough"?
Even if that's true, so what? It's far more effective than having no vaccine at all. |
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"What a bunch of condescending nobs, you're like the covid deniers in reverse! Nothing to do with cabbage and carrots and that comment about'listening to my mates' down at the pub is a direct attack on my intelligence. Why? The way to educate people isn't by insulting them.
There's really no point in responding to most of what you all said as you don't listen. You've suggested I'm an anti vax conspiricy theorist (which I'm not) simply as I have a diff opinion to yours. The OP questioned how effective the vaccine is, a healthy questioning if you ask me, esp given how corrupt the world is. Stats are manipulated (eg covid on death certificate even if didn't die of covid) etc etc
I guess it comes down to how much you trust the government, the media and billion dollar corporations. They rarely give us the full picture. I think its more obvious than ever how corrupt, self serving and opportunist they all are and if you can't see that then keep your blinkers on as long as you need to. I stand by my words in relation to the OP. The vaccine isn't effective enough in my opinion regardless of 'what is possible' right now. "
Manipulated stats.
Of those who died WITH covid, how many would have still been alive a day, a week, a month or a year later? Sorry, but you *sound* like someone just repeating covid denier nonsense. Have you looked online at how death certificates are completed. I am sure there is a gov.uk page that explains in detail... |
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"What a bunch of condescending nobs, you're like the covid deniers in reverse! Nothing to do with cabbage and carrots and that comment about'listening to my mates' down at the pub is a direct attack on my intelligence. Why? The way to educate people isn't by insulting them.
There's really no point in responding to most of what you all said as you don't listen. You've suggested I'm an anti vax conspiricy theorist (which I'm not) simply as I have a diff opinion to yours. The OP questioned how effective the vaccine is, a healthy questioning if you ask me, esp given how corrupt the world is. Stats are manipulated (eg covid on death certificate even if didn't die of covid) etc etc
I guess it comes down to how much you trust the government, the media and billion dollar corporations. They rarely give us the full picture. I think its more obvious than ever how corrupt, self serving and opportunist they all are and if you can't see that then keep your blinkers on as long as you need to. I stand by my words in relation to the OP. The vaccine isn't effective enough in my opinion regardless of 'what is possible' right now. "
By all means rant away but the thread clearly shows that most people who have responded to you do not fall within what your wrongly suggesting..
It's a valid opinion that you have but to expect responses as to what you think is an answer or what should have been done differently is equally valid..
You've failed to put anything forward.. |
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"What a bunch of condescending nobs, you're like the covid deniers in reverse! Nothing to do with cabbage and carrots and that comment about'listening to my mates' down at the pub is a direct attack on my intelligence. Why? The way to educate people isn't by insulting them.
There's really no point in responding to most of what you all said as you don't listen. You've suggested I'm an anti vax conspiricy theorist (which I'm not) simply as I have a diff opinion to yours. The OP questioned how effective the vaccine is, a healthy questioning if you ask me, esp given how corrupt the world is. Stats are manipulated (eg covid on death certificate even if didn't die of covid) etc etc
I guess it comes down to how much you trust the government, the media and billion dollar corporations. They rarely give us the full picture. I think its more obvious than ever how corrupt, self serving and opportunist they all are and if you can't see that then keep your blinkers on as long as you need to. I stand by my words in relation to the OP. The vaccine isn't effective enough in my opinion regardless of 'what is possible' right now. "
You've thrown insult after insult to several people who've offered genuine explanations to your claims and questions.
At the same time ignoring the information and blindly repeating your erroneous claims.
Despite that, not a single person has attacked or insulted you, and yet here you are again name calling people.
You've been asked questions, which you've stubbornly refused to answer and ignore.
Your rhetoric is that of an anti vaxer.
Your blind faith in sticking to theme is cultish. (Checked for correct spelling)
Stop typing, start reading, garner an understanding.
Gain some perspective.
Winston
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"What a bunch of condescending nobs, you're like the covid deniers in reverse! Nothing to do with cabbage and carrots and that comment about'listening to my mates' down at the pub is a direct attack on my intelligence. Why? The way to educate people isn't by insulting them.
There's really no point in responding to most of what you all said as you don't listen. You've suggested I'm an anti vax conspiricy theorist (which I'm not) simply as I have a diff opinion to yours. The OP questioned how effective the vaccine is, a healthy questioning if you ask me, esp given how corrupt the world is. Stats are manipulated (eg covid on death certificate even if didn't die of covid) etc etc
I guess it comes down to how much you trust the government, the media and billion dollar corporations. They rarely give us the full picture. I think its more obvious than ever how corrupt, self serving and opportunist they all are and if you can't see that then keep your blinkers on as long as you need to. I stand by my words in relation to the OP. The vaccine isn't effective enough in my opinion regardless of 'what is possible' right now.
Manipulated stats.
Of those who died WITH covid, how many would have still been alive a day, a week, a month or a year later? Sorry, but you *sound* like someone just repeating covid denier nonsense. Have you looked online at how death certificates are completed. I am sure there is a gov.uk page that explains in detail..."
my relative has a mastectomy during the so called first wave, we watched her get weaker and weaker after the op, till she was admitted to hospital and died of covid.
my relative died of covid which we all knew was crap as we had seen her fade away.
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"What a bunch of condescending nobs, you're like the covid deniers in reverse! Nothing to do with cabbage and carrots and that comment about'listening to my mates' down at the pub is a direct attack on my intelligence. Why? The way to educate people isn't by insulting them.
There's really no point in responding to most of what you all said as you don't listen. You've suggested I'm an anti vax conspiricy theorist (which I'm not) simply as I have a diff opinion to yours. The OP questioned how effective the vaccine is, a healthy questioning if you ask me, esp given how corrupt the world is. Stats are manipulated (eg covid on death certificate even if didn't die of covid) etc etc
I guess it comes down to how much you trust the government, the media and billion dollar corporations. They rarely give us the full picture. I think its more obvious than ever how corrupt, self serving and opportunist they all are and if you can't see that then keep your blinkers on as long as you need to. I stand by my words in relation to the OP. The vaccine isn't effective enough in my opinion regardless of 'what is possible' right now.
Manipulated stats.
Of those who died WITH covid, how many would have still been alive a day, a week, a month or a year later? Sorry, but you *sound* like someone just repeating covid denier nonsense. Have you looked online at how death certificates are completed. I am sure there is a gov.uk page that explains in detail...
my relative has a mastectomy during the so called first wave, we watched her get weaker and weaker after the op, till she was admitted to hospital and died of covid.
my relative died of covid which we all knew was crap as we had seen her fade away.
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Sorry for your loss.
If you relative had flu rather than covid then the death certificate would mention flu rather than covid. This is not some big conspiracy to increase the covid death count.
Have you looked at the following? Section 4.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877302/guidance-for-doctors-completing-medical-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf |
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"What a bunch of condescending nobs, you're like the covid deniers in reverse! Nothing to do with cabbage and carrots and that comment about'listening to my mates' down at the pub is a direct attack on my intelligence. Why? The way to educate people isn't by insulting them.
There's really no point in responding to most of what you all said as you don't listen. You've suggested I'm an anti vax conspiricy theorist (which I'm not) simply as I have a diff opinion to yours. The OP questioned how effective the vaccine is, a healthy questioning if you ask me, esp given how corrupt the world is. Stats are manipulated (eg covid on death certificate even if didn't die of covid) etc etc
I guess it comes down to how much you trust the government, the media and billion dollar corporations. They rarely give us the full picture. I think its more obvious than ever how corrupt, self serving and opportunist they all are and if you can't see that then keep your blinkers on as long as you need to. I stand by my words in relation to the OP. The vaccine isn't effective enough in my opinion regardless of 'what is possible' right now.
Manipulated stats.
Of those who died WITH covid, how many would have still been alive a day, a week, a month or a year later? Sorry, but you *sound* like someone just repeating covid denier nonsense. Have you looked online at how death certificates are completed. I am sure there is a gov.uk page that explains in detail...
my relative has a mastectomy during the so called first wave, we watched her get weaker and weaker after the op, till she was admitted to hospital and died of covid.
my relative died of covid which we all knew was crap as we had seen her fade away.
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If your relative died of cancer that would have been listed as the primary cause with covid stated as a secondary factor which may have contributed to her demise. |
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