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"So are other countries not getting cases? Or are they lying about it" No they probably are getting cases they just know what a shit show the uk is so far as following guidelines goes and dont want to risk it, that or it's another jab over boris's Brexit balls up | |||
"So are other countries not getting cases? Or are they lying about it" I get the feeling that other countries don't have the technology/ resources to decipher the different variants. | |||
"So are other countries not getting cases? Or are they lying about it" Their case numbers are climbing like ours, one of the reasons they are putting tighter measures in. | |||
"So are other countries not getting cases? Or are they lying about it" Sometimes the uk is it’s own worst enemy by being more upfront about it. Some countries are more economical with the figures  | |||
"So are other countries not getting cases? Or are they lying about it" They are getting cases… for example in the Netherlands… but because there contact tracing is a million times better than ours, they have done a much better job of shutting it down, therefore not rising at the rate it is in the uk | |||
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"when a country like the uk is doing over 3 times more tests than eu countries it stands to reason you will find more cases. If this was the uk shutting the borders now you would have the usual lot saying its too late. "France had 66,000 new cases yesterday , England had 68,000 | |||
"when a country like the uk is doing over 3 times more tests than eu countries it stands to reason you will find more cases. If this was the uk shutting the borders now you would have the usual lot saying its too late.
France had 66,000 new cases yesterday , England had 68,000"We have family in France and Germany and the figures as very comparable to the UK.  | |||
"when a country like the uk is doing over 3 times more tests than eu countries it stands to reason you will find more cases. If this was the uk shutting the borders now you would have the usual lot saying its too late.
France had 66,000 new cases yesterday , England had 68,000"It was 78,610 in the U.K. yesterday | |||
"when a country like the uk is doing over 3 times more tests than eu countries it stands to reason you will find more cases. If this was the uk shutting the borders now you would have the usual lot saying its too late.
France had 66,000 new cases yesterday , England had 68,000
It was 78,610 in the U.K. yesterday "In the U.K. yes. I was doing England compared to France. | |||
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"So are other countries not getting cases? Or are they lying about it They are getting cases… for example in the Netherlands… but because there contact tracing is a million times better than ours, they have done a much better job of shutting it down, therefore not rising at the rate it is in the uk" Whatever needs to be done to stop and reverse the spread. Seems eminently sensible to me to stop non essential travel. You've also got different behaviours in different countries.. Some people in our country really aren't that responsible...tracing is all well and good so long as people respond to it. Still going out spreading it when not feeling great, not isolating and so on...and we are where we are. Should we ignore it? I wish but the sheer volume of numbers is a worry even if only a very small percentage need hospital care. | |||
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"Love how folk on here slag off the UK and their methods, etc. I've been working worldwide and travelling regularly these past 2 years and I've found that a lot of these decisions are based on politics rather than medical bias. Travelling and working with Dutch colleagues, they have as many doubts about their methods too. In fact, the only countries that don't slag off their governments methods trying to curb covid are the Asian totalitarian style countries. There's a message there somewhere, but not quite sure what it is. The Taiwanese have a 10 year plan to tackle covid. Can you imagine the UK population being told that they have to adapt to ever changing restrictions for the next 10 years? Bugger me, we are huffy at the thought of putting a mask on to get on the bus...." | |||
"Love how folk on here slag off the UK and their methods, etc. I've been working worldwide and travelling regularly these past 2 years and I've found that a lot of these decisions are based on politics rather than medical bias. Travelling and working with Dutch colleagues, they have as many doubts about their methods too. In fact, the only countries that don't slag off their governments methods trying to curb covid are the Asian totalitarian style countries. There's a message there somewhere, but not quite sure what it is. The Taiwanese have a 10 year plan to tackle covid. Can you imagine the UK population being told that they have to adapt to ever changing restrictions for the next 10 years? Bugger me, we are huffy at the thought of putting a mask on to get on the bus...." | |||
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"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard" There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? | |||
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"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.?" But, at the moment? | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? But, at the moment? " See above | |||
"Feel sorry for relatives trying to get to France to family, but otherwise people trying to get to ski resorts in the middle of a once-a-century pandemic is absurd, omicron or delta or whatever. I would think international travel is off for 2022 at least and probably early 2023 as well. All that said, it does seem 'call me President' Omacron has been particularly vindictive this morning against Brits. Figuratively speaking, he stands on his Calais beach with his left 'halt' hand up to Brits, with his right hand beckoning illegal migrants to commence idiotic dinghy crossings to the UK. Strange times. " Yep... And yet still some here seem to worship the ground upon which he walks. So weird how we love thta but hate our country quite so much. | |||
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"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? But, at the moment? See above " The locations you describe so beautifully. It's the Covid-riddled transport process to get there and back. Hence 'at the moment' Hope that helps. Other cognitive processing advisors are available. But may charge. You're welcome  | |||
"Well i am never buying a fiat car then" Italy makes Fiats (Failed Italian Automotive Technology is an easy way to remember) France makes Citroën, Renault, Peugeot etc | |||
"Well i am never buying a fiat car then" Fiat is Italian not French! | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? But, at the moment? See above The locations you describe so beautifully. It's the Covid-riddled transport process to get there and back. Hence 'at the moment' Hope that helps. Other cognitive processing advisors are available. But may charge. You're welcome "But the triple jabbing, testing and masks surely keeps the transport system free of Covid? | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? But, at the moment? See above The locations you describe so beautifully. It's the Covid-riddled transport process to get there and back. Hence 'at the moment' Hope that helps. Other cognitive processing advisors are available. But may charge. You're welcome
But the triple jabbing, testing and masks surely keeps the transport system free of Covid? "Nope, and was never claimed to do so. However without it by now there would be no transport system at all. | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? But, at the moment? See above The locations you describe so beautifully. It's the Covid-riddled transport process to get there and back. Hence 'at the moment' Hope that helps. Other cognitive processing advisors are available. But may charge. You're welcome
But the triple jabbing, testing and masks surely keeps the transport system free of Covid? "Would go a long way to help if everybody wore a mask and was triple jabbed | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? But, at the moment? See above The locations you describe so beautifully. It's the Covid-riddled transport process to get there and back. Hence 'at the moment' Hope that helps. Other cognitive processing advisors are available. But may charge. You're welcome
But the triple jabbing, testing and masks surely keeps the transport system free of Covid? "Whilst the vaccine provides great protection, it is not 100%. Testing can result in a low number of false negatives. Mask wearing is never 100% either because of medical exemption or wilful non-compliance. So no transport process will be covid-free however much those three interventions help. Surprised that has to be explained to you. Life is nearly always about risk reduction rather than risk elimination, the latter being harder to achieve. What people are saying is that therefore at the moment, it may not be appropriate to attempt to see the French 'low lying fog on a cold winters morning' however attractive you try to make it sound. Other fog is available but maybe tied up clouding the cognitive processing skills of people romanticising about Paris and the Dordogne | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.?" selfish much? | |||
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" Would go a long way to help if everybody wore a mask and was triple jabbed" And there lies the problem, you've just hit the nail on the head. How many people say that they are triple jabbed, wear a mask but don't routinely have LFT checks, it's great being vaccinated but I think the passport should include the last negative check like the non vax people have to do. That's the best outcome to try and slow this thing down don't you think ? | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? But, at the moment? See above The locations you describe so beautifully. It's the Covid-riddled transport process to get there and back. Hence 'at the moment' Hope that helps. Other cognitive processing advisors are available. But may charge. You're welcome
But the triple jabbing, testing and masks surely keeps the transport system free of Covid?
Whilst the vaccine provides great protection, it is not 100%. Testing can result in a low number of false negatives. Mask wearing is never 100% either because of medical exemption or wilful non-compliance. So no transport process will be covid-free however much those three interventions help. Surprised that has to be explained to you. Life is nearly always about risk reduction rather than risk elimination, the latter being harder to achieve.
What people are saying is that therefore at the moment, it may not be appropriate to attempt to see the French 'low lying fog on a cold winters morning' however attractive you try to make it sound.
Other fog is available but maybe tied up clouding the cognitive processing skills of people romanticising about Paris and the Dordogne
"Thanks… but I was ok interpreting what the poster meant. Your comment, putting aside the veiled insults for a moment, was ‘Covid riddled’ transport systems. Covid riddled or not 100%? If you could stick with one viewpoint it would be handy! The poster I responded to stated that he’s not sure why anyone would travel at the moment … I offered a number of excellent reasons… that’s all! He’s back again to join in calling me selfish… selfish for what I have no idea!? And what is a cognitive processing advisor?, and when you say others are available … are you claiming to be one? | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? selfish much?" What’s selfish? | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? But, at the moment? See above The locations you describe so beautifully. It's the Covid-riddled transport process to get there and back. Hence 'at the moment' Hope that helps. Other cognitive processing advisors are available. But may charge. You're welcome
But the triple jabbing, testing and masks surely keeps the transport system free of Covid?
Whilst the vaccine provides great protection, it is not 100%. Testing can result in a low number of false negatives. Mask wearing is never 100% either because of medical exemption or wilful non-compliance. So no transport process will be covid-free however much those three interventions help. Surprised that has to be explained to you. Life is nearly always about risk reduction rather than risk elimination, the latter being harder to achieve.
What people are saying is that therefore at the moment, it may not be appropriate to attempt to see the French 'low lying fog on a cold winters morning' however attractive you try to make it sound.
Other fog is available but maybe tied up clouding the cognitive processing skills of people romanticising about Paris and the Dordogne
Thanks… but I was ok interpreting what the poster meant.
Your comment, putting aside the veiled insults for a moment, was ‘Covid riddled’ transport systems. Covid riddled or not 100%? If you could stick with one viewpoint it would be handy!
The poster I responded to stated that he’s not sure why anyone would travel at the moment … I offered a number of excellent reasons… that’s all! He’s back again to join in calling me selfish… selfish for what I have no idea!?
And what is a cognitive processing advisor?, and when you say others are available … are you claiming to be one? "You've proved my point beautifully! Also, I never said transport processes were 100% safe, quite the opposite. I maintain that they will be riddled with Covid. They will be less riddled than if nobody wore masks, nobody was multi - jabbed etc, but my point is that they will never be 100% free of Covid. Riddled = pervaded by something undesirable,however much reduced it is by masks, jabs, tests etc. And yes, I think somebody purely trying to see the fog in the Dordogne, the lights of Paris and skiing in the Alps in the middle of a global pandemic is selfish. If that's what the OP was getting at, I salute him. Hope you can process that | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? But, at the moment? See above The locations you describe so beautifully. It's the Covid-riddled transport process to get there and back. Hence 'at the moment' Hope that helps. Other cognitive processing advisors are available. But may charge. You're welcome
But the triple jabbing, testing and masks surely keeps the transport system free of Covid?
Whilst the vaccine provides great protection, it is not 100%. Testing can result in a low number of false negatives. Mask wearing is never 100% either because of medical exemption or wilful non-compliance. So no transport process will be covid-free however much those three interventions help. Surprised that has to be explained to you. Life is nearly always about risk reduction rather than risk elimination, the latter being harder to achieve.
What people are saying is that therefore at the moment, it may not be appropriate to attempt to see the French 'low lying fog on a cold winters morning' however attractive you try to make it sound.
Other fog is available but maybe tied up clouding the cognitive processing skills of people romanticising about Paris and the Dordogne
Thanks… but I was ok interpreting what the poster meant.
Your comment, putting aside the veiled insults for a moment, was ‘Covid riddled’ transport systems. Covid riddled or not 100%? If you could stick with one viewpoint it would be handy!
The poster I responded to stated that he’s not sure why anyone would travel at the moment … I offered a number of excellent reasons… that’s all! He’s back again to join in calling me selfish… selfish for what I have no idea!?
And what is a cognitive processing advisor?, and when you say others are available … are you claiming to be one?
You've proved my point beautifully!
Also, I never said transport processes were 100% safe, quite the opposite. I maintain that they will be riddled with Covid. They will be less riddled than if nobody wore masks, nobody was multi - jabbed etc, but my point is that they will never be 100% free of Covid. Riddled = pervaded by something undesirable,however much reduced it is by masks, jabs, tests etc.
And yes, I think somebody purely trying to see the fog in the Dordogne, the lights of Paris and skiing in the Alps in the middle of a global pandemic is selfish. If that's what the OP was getting at, I salute him.
Hope you can process that
"I’m ok with processing .. ta. So ‘proved your point beautifully’? Also I acknowledged in my post that you said “not 100%’ maybe worth reading what I posted. Now riddled/pervaded? Can something be partially riddled? Or pervaded but not throughout? If your point is they will never be 100% free of Covid then it’s a point you’re struggling to make The OP wasn’t making that point a later poster was so maybe stand down your salute. If you could, take a moment, try to establish coherent thought and get a bit less angry, bit less insulting or maybe… a bit less! | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? But, at the moment? See above The locations you describe so beautifully. It's the Covid-riddled transport process to get there and back. Hence 'at the moment' Hope that helps. Other cognitive processing advisors are available. But may charge. You're welcome
But the triple jabbing, testing and masks surely keeps the transport system free of Covid?
Whilst the vaccine provides great protection, it is not 100%. Testing can result in a low number of false negatives. Mask wearing is never 100% either because of medical exemption or wilful non-compliance. So no transport process will be covid-free however much those three interventions help. Surprised that has to be explained to you. Life is nearly always about risk reduction rather than risk elimination, the latter being harder to achieve.
What people are saying is that therefore at the moment, it may not be appropriate to attempt to see the French 'low lying fog on a cold winters morning' however attractive you try to make it sound.
Other fog is available but maybe tied up clouding the cognitive processing skills of people romanticising about Paris and the Dordogne
Thanks… but I was ok interpreting what the poster meant.
Your comment, putting aside the veiled insults for a moment, was ‘Covid riddled’ transport systems. Covid riddled or not 100%? If you could stick with one viewpoint it would be handy!
The poster I responded to stated that he’s not sure why anyone would travel at the moment … I offered a number of excellent reasons… that’s all! He’s back again to join in calling me selfish… selfish for what I have no idea!?
And what is a cognitive processing advisor?, and when you say others are available … are you claiming to be one?
You've proved my point beautifully!
Also, I never said transport processes were 100% safe, quite the opposite. I maintain that they will be riddled with Covid. They will be less riddled than if nobody wore masks, nobody was multi - jabbed etc, but my point is that they will never be 100% free of Covid. Riddled = pervaded by something undesirable,however much reduced it is by masks, jabs, tests etc.
And yes, I think somebody purely trying to see the fog in the Dordogne, the lights of Paris and skiing in the Alps in the middle of a global pandemic is selfish. If that's what the OP was getting at, I salute him.
Hope you can process that
I’m ok with processing .. ta.
So ‘proved your point beautifully’?
Also I acknowledged in my post that you said “not 100%’ maybe worth reading what I posted.
Now riddled/pervaded? Can something be partially riddled? Or pervaded but not throughout?
If your point is they will never be 100% free of Covid then it’s a point you’re struggling to make
The OP wasn’t making that point a later poster was so maybe stand down your salute.
If you could, take a moment, try to establish coherent thought and get a bit less angry, bit less insulting or maybe… a bit less! "It's not insulting to suggest that trying to get to France in a global pandemic to see the fog in Paris or whatever it was, is selfish. My opinion and I'm entitled to my view and it accords with the poster who said the same, wherever he/she came in. Wakie32 correctly questioned why anyone would want to visit France atm (at the moment). You clearly had processing problems even at that point because 'at the moment' means in the middle of a global pandemic. Your response was a list of romanticism French scenery as though that would trump trying to stem the spread of omicron which will ultimately kill some people. You then suggested measures that would keep the transport processes 'free of Covid' - more nonsensical romanticism. There is no such things, otherwise Governments around the world would have implemented them. They will help, but what will definitely not help at the moment is people trying to get in crowded ski lifts, bars and to the Dordogne to see thick fog. | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? But, at the moment? See above The locations you describe so beautifully. It's the Covid-riddled transport process to get there and back. Hence 'at the moment' Hope that helps. Other cognitive processing advisors are available. But may charge. You're welcome
But the triple jabbing, testing and masks surely keeps the transport system free of Covid?
Whilst the vaccine provides great protection, it is not 100%. Testing can result in a low number of false negatives. Mask wearing is never 100% either because of medical exemption or wilful non-compliance. So no transport process will be covid-free however much those three interventions help. Surprised that has to be explained to you. Life is nearly always about risk reduction rather than risk elimination, the latter being harder to achieve.
What people are saying is that therefore at the moment, it may not be appropriate to attempt to see the French 'low lying fog on a cold winters morning' however attractive you try to make it sound.
Other fog is available but maybe tied up clouding the cognitive processing skills of people romanticising about Paris and the Dordogne
Thanks… but I was ok interpreting what the poster meant.
Your comment, putting aside the veiled insults for a moment, was ‘Covid riddled’ transport systems. Covid riddled or not 100%? If you could stick with one viewpoint it would be handy!
The poster I responded to stated that he’s not sure why anyone would travel at the moment … I offered a number of excellent reasons… that’s all! He’s back again to join in calling me selfish… selfish for what I have no idea!?
And what is a cognitive processing advisor?, and when you say others are available … are you claiming to be one?
You've proved my point beautifully!
Also, I never said transport processes were 100% safe, quite the opposite. I maintain that they will be riddled with Covid. They will be less riddled than if nobody wore masks, nobody was multi - jabbed etc, but my point is that they will never be 100% free of Covid. Riddled = pervaded by something undesirable,however much reduced it is by masks, jabs, tests etc.
And yes, I think somebody purely trying to see the fog in the Dordogne, the lights of Paris and skiing in the Alps in the middle of a global pandemic is selfish. If that's what the OP was getting at, I salute him.
Hope you can process that
I’m ok with processing .. ta.
So ‘proved your point beautifully’?
Also I acknowledged in my post that you said “not 100%’ maybe worth reading what I posted.
Now riddled/pervaded? Can something be partially riddled? Or pervaded but not throughout?
If your point is they will never be 100% free of Covid then it’s a point you’re struggling to make
The OP wasn’t making that point a later poster was so maybe stand down your salute.
If you could, take a moment, try to establish coherent thought and get a bit less angry, bit less insulting or maybe… a bit less!
It's not insulting to suggest that trying to get to France in a global pandemic to see the fog in Paris or whatever it was, is selfish. My opinion and I'm entitled to my view and it accords with the poster who said the same, wherever he/she came in.
Wakie32 correctly questioned why anyone would want to visit France atm (at the moment). You clearly had processing problems even at that point because 'at the moment' means in the middle of a global pandemic. Your response was a list of romanticism French scenery as though that would trump trying to stem the spread of omicron which will ultimately kill some people.
You then suggested measures that would keep the transport processes 'free of Covid' - more nonsensical romanticism. There is no such things, otherwise Governments around the world would have implemented them. They will help, but what will definitely not help at the moment is people trying to get in crowded ski lifts, bars and to the Dordogne to see thick fog.
"It is insulting to repeat the cognitive processing tosh! Those are nice things to see… that’s a reason… and there’s been no lack of people travelling abroad … travelling to work on trains and buses close contact ( like the respondents meet on 15th December!) As far as romanticism… my comment, I thought clearly?, was sarcasm… Could you pop back up to the questions I asked ? | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? But, at the moment? See above The locations you describe so beautifully. It's the Covid-riddled transport process to get there and back. Hence 'at the moment' Hope that helps. Other cognitive processing advisors are available. But may charge. You're welcome
But the triple jabbing, testing and masks surely keeps the transport system free of Covid?
Whilst the vaccine provides great protection, it is not 100%. Testing can result in a low number of false negatives. Mask wearing is never 100% either because of medical exemption or wilful non-compliance. So no transport process will be covid-free however much those three interventions help. Surprised that has to be explained to you. Life is nearly always about risk reduction rather than risk elimination, the latter being harder to achieve.
What people are saying is that therefore at the moment, it may not be appropriate to attempt to see the French 'low lying fog on a cold winters morning' however attractive you try to make it sound.
Other fog is available but maybe tied up clouding the cognitive processing skills of people romanticising about Paris and the Dordogne
Thanks… but I was ok interpreting what the poster meant.
Your comment, putting aside the veiled insults for a moment, was ‘Covid riddled’ transport systems. Covid riddled or not 100%? If you could stick with one viewpoint it would be handy!
The poster I responded to stated that he’s not sure why anyone would travel at the moment … I offered a number of excellent reasons… that’s all! He’s back again to join in calling me selfish… selfish for what I have no idea!?
And what is a cognitive processing advisor?, and when you say others are available … are you claiming to be one?
You've proved my point beautifully!
Also, I never said transport processes were 100% safe, quite the opposite. I maintain that they will be riddled with Covid. They will be less riddled than if nobody wore masks, nobody was multi - jabbed etc, but my point is that they will never be 100% free of Covid. Riddled = pervaded by something undesirable,however much reduced it is by masks, jabs, tests etc.
And yes, I think somebody purely trying to see the fog in the Dordogne, the lights of Paris and skiing in the Alps in the middle of a global pandemic is selfish. If that's what the OP was getting at, I salute him.
Hope you can process that
I’m ok with processing .. ta.
So ‘proved your point beautifully’?
Also I acknowledged in my post that you said “not 100%’ maybe worth reading what I posted.
Now riddled/pervaded? Can something be partially riddled? Or pervaded but not throughout?
If your point is they will never be 100% free of Covid then it’s a point you’re struggling to make
The OP wasn’t making that point a later poster was so maybe stand down your salute.
If you could, take a moment, try to establish coherent thought and get a bit less angry, bit less insulting or maybe… a bit less!
It's not insulting to suggest that trying to get to France in a global pandemic to see the fog in Paris or whatever it was, is selfish. My opinion and I'm entitled to my view and it accords with the poster who said the same, wherever he/she came in.
Wakie32 correctly questioned why anyone would want to visit France atm (at the moment). You clearly had processing problems even at that point because 'at the moment' means in the middle of a global pandemic. Your response was a list of romanticism French scenery as though that would trump trying to stem the spread of omicron which will ultimately kill some people.
You then suggested measures that would keep the transport processes 'free of Covid' - more nonsensical romanticism. There is no such things, otherwise Governments around the world would have implemented them. They will help, but what will definitely not help at the moment is people trying to get in crowded ski lifts, bars and to the Dordogne to see thick fog.
It is insulting to repeat the cognitive processing tosh!
Those are nice things to see… that’s a reason… and there’s been no lack of people travelling abroad … travelling to work on trains and buses close contact ( like the respondents meet on 15th December!)
As far as romanticism… my comment, I thought clearly?, was sarcasm…
Could you pop back up to the questions I asked ? "No. Your questions are inane. Like 'what's selfish?' You're now reframing the inane questions like 'Dordogne in fog'?' as sarcasm. This is the lowest form of wit and in my view, you had not intended sarcasm anyway else you would have deployed this defence much earlier. You appeared genuinely bemused anyone would view trivial tourism in a pandemic as selfish by posing as a riposte 'what's selfish?' As regards travelling to work on trains and buses, this is essential travel and quite different, which I suspect you know. You don't know 'the respondent' met anyone on 15/12 as the verification refers to previous meets and all might have been before the actual pandemic began or before Omicron reared its ugly head. Even if the meet was 15/12, how do you know the parties vaccine status and that they didn't negative test before deciding to meet? Nobody has to show a negative test for public transport and the sheer numbers involved are quite different to a low risk one on one meet where both parties test negative and may even have isolated for several days before the meet to make it even safer. That said, nothing is 100%. If you want to pose some sensible questions, I'll have a go at answering but all I can see at the moment is questions framed as inane comebacks. | |||
"not sure why you would want to travel atm, unless you have family abroard There’s loads to see and do? … Paris by night, Wenceslas square in the crisp night air, the low lying fog on a cold winters morning in the Dordogne, the warmth,even heat in farther flung climes.? But, at the moment? See above The locations you describe so beautifully. It's the Covid-riddled transport process to get there and back. Hence 'at the moment' Hope that helps. Other cognitive processing advisors are available. But may charge. You're welcome
But the triple jabbing, testing and masks surely keeps the transport system free of Covid?
Whilst the vaccine provides great protection, it is not 100%. Testing can result in a low number of false negatives. Mask wearing is never 100% either because of medical exemption or wilful non-compliance. So no transport process will be covid-free however much those three interventions help. Surprised that has to be explained to you. Life is nearly always about risk reduction rather than risk elimination, the latter being harder to achieve.
What people are saying is that therefore at the moment, it may not be appropriate to attempt to see the French 'low lying fog on a cold winters morning' however attractive you try to make it sound.
Other fog is available but maybe tied up clouding the cognitive processing skills of people romanticising about Paris and the Dordogne
Thanks… but I was ok interpreting what the poster meant.
Your comment, putting aside the veiled insults for a moment, was ‘Covid riddled’ transport systems. Covid riddled or not 100%? If you could stick with one viewpoint it would be handy!
The poster I responded to stated that he’s not sure why anyone would travel at the moment … I offered a number of excellent reasons… that’s all! He’s back again to join in calling me selfish… selfish for what I have no idea!?
And what is a cognitive processing advisor?, and when you say others are available … are you claiming to be one?
You've proved my point beautifully!
Also, I never said transport processes were 100% safe, quite the opposite. I maintain that they will be riddled with Covid. They will be less riddled than if nobody wore masks, nobody was multi - jabbed etc, but my point is that they will never be 100% free of Covid. Riddled = pervaded by something undesirable,however much reduced it is by masks, jabs, tests etc.
And yes, I think somebody purely trying to see the fog in the Dordogne, the lights of Paris and skiing in the Alps in the middle of a global pandemic is selfish. If that's what the OP was getting at, I salute him.
Hope you can process that
I’m ok with processing .. ta.
So ‘proved your point beautifully’?
Also I acknowledged in my post that you said “not 100%’ maybe worth reading what I posted.
Now riddled/pervaded? Can something be partially riddled? Or pervaded but not throughout?
If your point is they will never be 100% free of Covid then it’s a point you’re struggling to make
The OP wasn’t making that point a later poster was so maybe stand down your salute.
If you could, take a moment, try to establish coherent thought and get a bit less angry, bit less insulting or maybe… a bit less!
It's not insulting to suggest that trying to get to France in a global pandemic to see the fog in Paris or whatever it was, is selfish. My opinion and I'm entitled to my view and it accords with the poster who said the same, wherever he/she came in.
Wakie32 correctly questioned why anyone would want to visit France atm (at the moment). You clearly had processing problems even at that point because 'at the moment' means in the middle of a global pandemic. Your response was a list of romanticism French scenery as though that would trump trying to stem the spread of omicron which will ultimately kill some people.
You then suggested measures that would keep the transport processes 'free of Covid' - more nonsensical romanticism. There is no such things, otherwise Governments around the world would have implemented them. They will help, but what will definitely not help at the moment is people trying to get in crowded ski lifts, bars and to the Dordogne to see thick fog.
It is insulting to repeat the cognitive processing tosh!
Those are nice things to see… that’s a reason… and there’s been no lack of people travelling abroad … travelling to work on trains and buses close contact ( like the respondents meet on 15th December!)
As far as romanticism… my comment, I thought clearly?, was sarcasm…
Could you pop back up to the questions I asked ?
No. Your questions are inane. Like 'what's selfish?'
You're now reframing the inane questions like 'Dordogne in fog'?' as sarcasm. This is the lowest form of wit and in my view, you had not intended sarcasm anyway else you would have deployed this defence much earlier. You appeared genuinely bemused anyone would view trivial tourism in a pandemic as selfish by posing as a riposte 'what's selfish?'
As regards travelling to work on trains and buses, this is essential travel and quite different, which I suspect you know. You don't know 'the respondent' met anyone on 15/12 as the verification refers to previous meets and all might have been before the actual pandemic began or before Omicron reared its ugly head. Even if the meet was 15/12, how do you know the parties vaccine status and that they didn't negative test before deciding to meet? Nobody has to show a negative test for public transport and the sheer numbers involved are quite different to a low risk one on one meet where both parties test negative and may even have isolated for several days before the meet to make it even safer.
That said, nothing is 100%.
If you want to pose some sensible questions, I'll have a go at answering but all I can see at the moment is questions framed as inane comebacks.
"No problem I see you have it all wrapped up, can’t see any issues with your reply, I bow to your superior knowledge and you’ve really helped me work things out… it seems a cognitive processing advisor is a thing! | |||
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"This is the french being french ,it's more to do with politics and Brexit then covid" You are correct. In some political circles, it's viewed that President Macron is playing a political game to get his own back on the UK and this "ban" is just another tactic. | |||
"So are other countries not getting cases? Or are they lying about it Their case numbers are climbing like ours, one of the reasons they are putting tighter measures in. " "Let's keep our borders open. It really does work for the UK. Worked last time. Actually, let's close them in 3 months time when it's too late.", Boris, Boris. Your sleep talking again. | |||
"This is the french being french ,it's more to do with politics and Brexit then covid You are correct. In some political circles, it's viewed that President Macron is playing a political game to get his own back on the UK and this "ban" is just another tactic." The French picking at our scabs? They would never do that would they? They did it before the EEC, they did it in the EU, they will take every chance.. Because they can... Du vin, du pain, du coup... | |||
"This is the french being french ,it's more to do with politics and Brexit then covid You are correct. In some political circles, it's viewed that President Macron is playing a political game to get his own back on the UK and this "ban" is just another tactic. The French picking at our scabs? They would never do that would they? They did it before the EEC, they did it in the EU, they will take every chance.. Because they can... Du vin, du pain, du coup... " What does 'Du vin, du pain, du coup' mean? Not heard it before  | |||
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"middle of a pandemic, having a holiday is the last thing on my mind" Some of us arent on holiday, I've had to come to France to support my 75 year old, recently widdowed Mother through chemotherapy and radiotherapy this year, am here now for her surgery, thanks to Brexit I've been going backwards and forwards, complied with everything I've had to do, testing etc all year. Glad I got here now when I did otherwise I'd have been stuck. | |||
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" What does 'Du vin, du pain, du coup' mean? Not heard it before "I remember a cheese advert : le pain, le vin, le Boursin | |||
"middle of a pandemic, having a holiday is the last thing on my mind Some of us arent on holiday, I've had to come to France to support my 75 year old, recently widdowed Mother through chemotherapy and radiotherapy this year, am here now for her surgery, thanks to Brexit I've been going backwards and forwards, complied with everything I've had to do, testing etc all year. Glad I got here now when I did otherwise I'd have been stuck. " Best wishes, but why is it 'thanks to Brexit' that you've 'been going backwards and forwards'? It rather suggests that Brexit triggered within you a response of care and compassion involving lots of travel that would otherwise have been missing had the country voted Remain! | |||
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"middle of a pandemic, having a holiday is the last thing on my mind Some of us arent on holiday, I've had to come to France to support my 75 year old, recently widdowed Mother through chemotherapy and radiotherapy this year, am here now for her surgery, thanks to Brexit I've been going backwards and forwards, complied with everything I've had to do, testing etc all year. Glad I got here now when I did otherwise I'd have been stuck. Best wishes, but why is it 'thanks to Brexit' that you've 'been going backwards and forwards'? It rather suggests that Brexit triggered within you a response of care and compassion involving lots of travel that would otherwise have been missing had the country voted Remain! " | |||
"Brexit means I can't now remain in France or Europe for unlimited time, its 90 days out of 180 now, so I come over when necessary and return to UK in between so I can be here when most needed. The care and compassion has always been there. I have given up my job to be able to do this since early in the year. Now I'm here till the end of February as if I leave I won't get back because of the new covid rules in France against UK residents. middle of a pandemic, having a holiday is the last thing on my mind Some of us arent on holiday, I've had to come to France to support my 75 year old, recently widdowed Mother through chemotherapy and radiotherapy this year, am here now for her surgery, thanks to Brexit I've been going backwards and forwards, complied with everything I've had to do, testing etc all year. Glad I got here now when I did otherwise I'd have been stuck. Best wishes, but why is it 'thanks to Brexit' that you've 'been going backwards and forwards'? It rather suggests that Brexit triggered within you a response of care and compassion involving lots of travel that would otherwise have been missing had the country voted Remain! " Thanks for the explanation. Like I say, I wish you both well | |||
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"Problem we have in uk is our media are banging on 24/7 about same thing regarding our government and virus. So hole would can see how bad this virus infecting in our land. You don't see other country's are mansioning on the Television regarding they problems. " Got to agree with this. As soon as our own Govts use phrases like 'tsunami' and 'tidal wave' we hand it to people like Macron on a plate. I keep seeing 90,000 infected daily. I thought under the doubling nightmare, this would go 180,000, 360,000, 720,000 every 2 days etc. Whisper it, but maybe our Govt and /or Sage have over - catastrophised.? | |||
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"We spent a week in France last month and it was all that was on the tv, similarly have been in Spain recently and is all that’s on their news and in their paper . In France everyone is more complaint when in shops and restaurants. We did t see anyone mask less . In Spain the locals all seemed very compliant but tourists not so much. " Complaining about what?
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"So are other countries not getting cases? Or are they lying about it No they probably are getting cases they just know what a shit show the uk is so far as following guidelines goes and dont want to risk it, that or it's another jab over boris's Brexit balls up" Weren't vaccines the route to freedom? | |||
"We spent a week in France last month and it was all that was on the tv, similarly have been in Spain recently and is all that’s on their news and in their paper . In France everyone is more complaint when in shops and restaurants. We did t see anyone mask less . In Spain the locals all seemed very compliant but tourists not so much. Complaining about what?
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