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"Are any people who haven't had the vaccination considering booking their 1st one since Omicron? I think I am. The numbers are big! I've watched too much news "I'd say you have listened to too much news .. so you will need all 3 injections now then the boosters that will come after | |||
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"Anyone not vaccinated needs their head examining. Whilst a vaccination will not stop you from contracting COVID-19, it will ensure that your body is educated to fight the Virus and make you less ill than you otherwise would have been. Being vaccinated also helps stop the spread and protects others. Very selfish and uncaring not to do the right thing! That sounds like it's come straight out of wanksocks mouth Stop with the emotional manipulation For one I served my country I chose not to be injected over my immune system My point Serving our country and you is a very selfless thing Good day to you "  | |||
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"SO UNVACCINATED PEOPLE CAN SHOW A NEGATIVE LATERAL FLOW TEST TO GET INTO CLUBS WHICH MEANS THE UNVACCINATED WILL BE PROVING THEY DON'T HAVE THE VIRUS BUT THE VACCINATED WON'T BE. A VACCINATED PERSON IN A CLUB COULD STILL HAVE THE VIRUS & SPREAD THE VIRUS BUT AN UNVACCINATED PERSON COULDN'T. - NOT ABOUT A VIRUS" Never was about a virus  but nobody wants to hear that. Because, Jee whizz, if it was about a virus, there would have been stuff done about it in a much more sensible fashion, wouldn't there . | |||
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"Anyone not vaccinated needs their head examining. Whilst a vaccination will not stop you from contracting COVID-19, it will ensure that your body is educated to fight the Virus and make you less ill than you otherwise would have been. Being vaccinated also helps stop the spread and protects others. Very selfish and uncaring not to do the right thing! That sounds like it's come straight out of wanksocks mouth Stop with the emotional manipulation For one I served my country I chose not to be injected over my immune system My point Serving our country and you is a very selfless thing Good day to you " | |||
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"It’s been proven to protect you massively Why wouldn’t you get it? " Lots and lots and lots of reasons | |||
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"It’s been proven to protect you massively Why wouldn’t you get it? Lots and lots and lots of reasons "Good thing no one’s asking you then since you’ve made your mind up To the OP. We had 1000s of deaths a day before the vaccine. We are now in a much better position and life has been mostly normal since the vaccines Multiple studies showing it protects you. The risk to reward ratio is massively in favour of you getting it. What’s stopping you? | |||
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"Are any people who haven't had the vaccination considering booking their 1st one since Omicron? I think I am. The numbers are big! I've watched too much news "nope | |||
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"SO UNVACCINATED PEOPLE CAN SHOW A NEGATIVE LATERAL FLOW TEST TO GET INTO CLUBS WHICH MEANS THE UNVACCINATED WILL BE PROVING THEY DON'T HAVE THE VIRUS BUT THE VACCINATED WON'T BE. A VACCINATED PERSON IN A CLUB COULD STILL HAVE THE VIRUS & SPREAD THE VIRUS BUT AN UNVACCINATED PERSON COULDN'T. - NOT ABOUT A VIRUS Never was about a virus but nobody wants to hear that. Because, Jee whizz, if it was about a virus, there would have been stuff done about it in a much more sensible fashion, wouldn't there ."Don’t tell us it’s all about control  | |||
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"Anyone not vaccinated needs their head examining. Whilst a vaccination will not stop you from contracting COVID-19, it will ensure that your body is educated to fight the Virus and make you less ill than you otherwise would have been. Being vaccinated also helps stop the spread and protects others. Very selfish and uncaring not to do the right thing! " so two things -being fit and healthy and being exposed to a virus that probably will only slightly make you a little ill will also educate your body. -clearly being vaccinated does not protect others. So it’s each to their own. | |||
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"Think this section of the forum should be renamed Fight Club "^ Exactly this | |||
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"Key Points: We have to be really careful that there isn’t a narrative out there that it’s just a mild disease,” said Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s Covid-19 technical lead. The elderly, people who have underlying health conditions and the unvaccinated are still at risk of severe disease, Van Kerkhove said. ”We know that people infected with omicron can have the full spectrum of disease,” she said … From WHO Our data on omicron is still limited. It’s being made worse by people drawing conclusions from African numbers, forgetting they have a much younger, skinnier population. 2 of the biggest factors in predicting outcomes are age and obesity OP seems to be 49. Do you want to risk it? " did they actually use the word skinner lol | |||
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"Key Points: We have to be really careful that there isn’t a narrative out there that it’s just a mild disease,” said Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s Covid-19 technical lead. The elderly, people who have underlying health conditions and the unvaccinated are still at risk of severe disease, Van Kerkhove said. ”We know that people infected with omicron can have the full spectrum of disease,” she said … From WHO Our data on omicron is still limited. It’s being made worse by people drawing conclusions from African numbers, forgetting they have a much younger, skinnier population. 2 of the biggest factors in predicting outcomes are age and obesity OP seems to be 49. Do you want to risk it? did they actually use the word skinner lol" Sorry the bottom part was my take on it, too 3 was the official who statement | |||
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"Think this section of the forum should be renamed Fight Club "Shhhh first rule of fight club is....? Well someone had to do it | |||
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"Are any people who haven't had the vaccination considering booking their 1st one since Omicron? I think I am. The numbers are big! I've watched too much news "Still no | |||
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"Are any people who haven't had the vaccination considering booking their 1st one since Omicron? I think I am. The numbers are big! I've watched too much news "No. Accounts out of South Africa indicate it is relatively mild. I'll just keep my immune system nice and healthy | |||
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"Endless. Do what YOU feel is right FOR YOU. Some people want to take vaccinations and what appears to be a never ending series of 2boosters" for new variants. Others update their anti-virus every day with healthy eating, Vitamins, Fresh Air Walking, good sleep etc. Do NOT be pressurised by The Daily Mail and Media Fear Campaigns. Do what you think is right for you. Healthy people have almost nothing to fear from this virus. " And you know this because? | |||
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"Anyone not vaccinated needs their head examining. Whilst a vaccination will not stop you from contracting COVID-19, it will ensure that your body is educated to fight the Virus and make you less ill than you otherwise would have been. Being vaccinated also helps stop the spread and protects others. Very selfish and uncaring not to do the right thing! " I’ve worked all the way through pandemic. To call people like me uncaring and selfish? Do you know how it feels to drive to work on the first day of lockdown, the first one, when no one knew anything about this virus and to see just another two cars for more than 10 miles, on a stretch of road which otherwise is packed and to ask yourself “ what the heck I am doing, where I am going?” Hmm… How difficult is for people like you to comprehend that a huge part of population is completely immune to this virus? The virus doesn’t worry me at all. I am more worried about cholesterol than covid. However, I feel a huge psychological pressure, more than anything I experienced in my life, from the governments whose main focus is to vaccinate everyone regardless of their health status. This is not a a medical act, this is a forced medical experiment. I do agree that for some people the vaccine makes sense and saves lives but is not for everyone. We are a weak society and our leaders are either tyrants either incompetents. Nearly everyone on this forum agrees that Boris and his government are incompetent, lazy, corrupt etc however, in the same time, everyone is looking forward for his next orders. That makes us what? | |||
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"Anyone not vaccinated needs their head examining. Whilst a vaccination will not stop you from contracting COVID-19, it will ensure that your body is educated to fight the Virus and make you less ill than you otherwise would have been. Being vaccinated also helps stop the spread and protects others. Very selfish and uncaring not to do the right thing! I’ve worked all the way through pandemic. To call people like me uncaring and selfish? Do you know how it feels to drive to work on the first day of lockdown, the first one, when no one knew anything about this virus and to see just another two cars for more than 10 miles, on a stretch of road which otherwise is packed and to ask yourself “ what the heck I am doing, where I am going?” Hmm… How difficult is for people like you to comprehend that a huge part of population is completely immune to this virus? The virus doesn’t worry me at all. I am more worried about cholesterol than covid. However, I feel a huge psychological pressure, more than anything I experienced in my life, from the governments whose main focus is to vaccinate everyone regardless of their health status. This is not a a medical act, this is a forced medical experiment. I do agree that for some people the vaccine makes sense and saves lives but is not for everyone. We are a weak society and our leaders are either tyrants either incompetents. Nearly everyone on this forum agrees that Boris and his government are incompetent, lazy, corrupt etc however, in the same time, everyone is looking forward for his next orders. That makes us what?" No one is looking for Boris to make the next moves, for Boris us standing on the shoulders of 1000s of scientists and medical experts. I too worked through the entire thing. I am young and healthy. I chose to vaccinate because all the studies point to it protecting me and others Your free to do as you please, but don’t be upset when someone points out your actions | |||
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"Are any people who haven't had the vaccination considering booking their 1st one since Omicron? I think I am. The numbers are big! I've watched too much news
I'd say you have listened to too much news .. so you will need all 3 injections now then the boosters that will come after
"One is better than none…. 2 will be better than 1 … 3 will be better than 2! The basic premise is that any shot will give you some boost of protection.. yes eventually it will lessen over time, but it will help in the short term | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc" Could you quote your source for it being very mild? “We have to be really careful that there isn’t a narrative out there that it’s just a mild disease,” said Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s Covid-19 technical lead. The elderly, people who have underlying health conditions and the unvaccinated are still at risk of severe disease, Van Kerkhove said. ”We know that people infected with omicron can have the full spectrum of disease,” she said” Directly from WHO | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc" I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately. | |||
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"It’s been proven to protect you massively Why wouldn’t you get it? Lots and lots and lots of reasons
Good thing no one’s asking you then since you’ve made your mind up
To the OP. We had 1000s of deaths a day before the vaccine. We are now in a much better position and life has been mostly normal since the vaccines
Multiple studies showing it protects you. The risk to reward ratio is massively in favour of you getting it.
What’s stopping you? "I hope the lies, deceit and manipulation will, as well as the the number of severe adverse reactions and deaths reported in the yellow note and VAERS reporting system where it is clearly stated and well known that these events are underreported AND nobody is bothering their arse investigating these claims and openly and honestly reporting on them on mainstream media . This is a clear indication that these vaccines are not as safe as they are made out to be
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately. "Who'd have thought the people of facebook would be smarter than hundreds of REAL scientists with years of experience in virology and epidemiology | |||
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"It’s been proven to protect you massively Why wouldn’t you get it? Lots and lots and lots of reasons
Good thing no one’s asking you then since you’ve made your mind up
To the OP. We had 1000s of deaths a day before the vaccine. We are now in a much better position and life has been mostly normal since the vaccines
Multiple studies showing it protects you. The risk to reward ratio is massively in favour of you getting it.
What’s stopping you?
I hope the lies, deceit and manipulation will, as well as the the number of severe adverse reactions and deaths reported in the yellow note and VAERS reporting system where it is clearly stated and well known that these events are underreported AND nobody is bothering their arse investigating these claims and openly and honestly reporting on them on mainstream media . This is a clear indication that these vaccines are not as safe as they are made out to be
Apart from the fact that successful medical treatment IS available and still being SUPPRESSED!!!"I think I’ll believe the data from 100s of countries and 100,000s of scientists over whatever YouTube videos you’ve been watching | |||
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"Technically vaccinated are more likely to be super spreaders than none vax. I'm not vaccinated, for my own reasons. I had delta a few months back, it knocked me for six. I'm not scared of Omicron as the symptoms seem to be very mild. I hear in SA cases are already dropping, as omicron peaks very quickly. I hope this is the case everywhere. The more people who get omicron the better as we will very to herd immunity quickly. I'm very sceptical about the mass hysteria caused by MSM, you really do do have you ask yourself questions about the way MSM and even Govt deliver information. Surely they could use someone a touch less scary and sinister look than Chris Whitty We still have zero information about the one omicron death! I don't watch the news, however the radio is on at work so I do get to hear latest buzz words the msm like to use. One very informative and factual guy is Dr John Campbell. He studies all the information and goes through it in a very factual and calm manor. Check him out on YouTube " Oh but you mentioned YouTube. Only Satan gets his information on YouTube. And I'm surprised his name is not Dave. I thought all experts on YouTube were called Dave - or was it Karen on Facebook, mmmmmh, no, I remember - it was Tracey from Twitter | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
Who'd have thought the people of facebook would be smarter than hundreds of REAL scientists with years of experience in virology and epidemiology "why its actually sound advice.. vit c also but hey .. also clever clogs hundreds of doctors and scientists are being silenced but you won't want to hear that will you Nor will you probably want to support those in the NHS whom are about to lose thier jobs and you probably clapped for But best save that for Facebook aye love | |||
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"SO UNVACCINATED PEOPLE CAN SHOW A NEGATIVE LATERAL FLOW TEST TO GET INTO CLUBS WHICH MEANS THE UNVACCINATED WILL BE PROVING THEY DON'T HAVE THE VIRUS BUT THE VACCINATED WON'T BE. A VACCINATED PERSON IN A CLUB COULD STILL HAVE THE VIRUS & SPREAD THE VIRUS BUT AN UNVACCINATED PERSON COULDN'T. - NOT ABOUT A VIRUS Never was about a virus but nobody wants to hear that. Because, Jee whizz, if it was about a virus, there would have been stuff done about it in a much more sensible fashion, wouldn't there .
Don’t tell us it’s all about control "Google Gregory H Stanton and 10 stages  | |||
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"Anyone not vaccinated needs their head examining. Whilst a vaccination will not stop you from contracting COVID-19, it will ensure that your body is educated to fight the Virus and make you less ill than you otherwise would have been. Being vaccinated also helps stop the spread and protects others. Very selfish and uncaring not to do the right thing! I’ve worked all the way through pandemic. To call people like me uncaring and selfish? Do you know how it feels to drive to work on the first day of lockdown, the first one, when no one knew anything about this virus and to see just another two cars for more than 10 miles, on a stretch of road which otherwise is packed and to ask yourself “ what the heck I am doing, where I am going?” Hmm… How difficult is for people like you to comprehend that a huge part of population is completely immune to this virus? The virus doesn’t worry me at all. I am more worried about cholesterol than covid. However, I feel a huge psychological pressure, more than anything I experienced in my life, from the governments whose main focus is to vaccinate everyone regardless of their health status. This is not a a medical act, this is a forced medical experiment. I do agree that for some people the vaccine makes sense and saves lives but is not for everyone. We are a weak society and our leaders are either tyrants either incompetents. Nearly everyone on this forum agrees that Boris and his government are incompetent, lazy, corrupt etc however, in the same time, everyone is looking forward for his next orders. That makes us what?" A herd of sheep | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
Who'd have thought the people of facebook would be smarter than hundreds of REAL scientists with years of experience in virology and epidemiology why its actually sound advice.. vit c also but hey .. also clever clogs hundreds of doctors and scientists are being silenced but you won't want to hear that will you
Nor will you probably want to support those in the NHS whom are about to lose thier jobs and you probably clapped for
But best save that for Facebook aye love "Well let’s hope that those in the NHS don’t end up having to treat you because you thought “you knew better” And I bet you clapped for them as well…… | |||
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"Anyone not vaccinated needs their head examining. Whilst a vaccination will not stop you from contracting COVID-19, it will ensure that your body is educated to fight the Virus and make you less ill than you otherwise would have been. Being vaccinated also helps stop the spread and protects others. Very selfish and uncaring not to do the right thing! I’ve worked all the way through pandemic. To call people like me uncaring and selfish? Do you know how it feels to drive to work on the first day of lockdown, the first one, when no one knew anything about this virus and to see just another two cars for more than 10 miles, on a stretch of road which otherwise is packed and to ask yourself “ what the heck I am doing, where I am going?” Hmm… How difficult is for people like you to comprehend that a huge part of population is completely immune to this virus? The virus doesn’t worry me at all. I am more worried about cholesterol than covid. However, I feel a huge psychological pressure, more than anything I experienced in my life, from the governments whose main focus is to vaccinate everyone regardless of their health status. This is not a a medical act, this is a forced medical experiment. I do agree that for some people the vaccine makes sense and saves lives but is not for everyone. We are a weak society and our leaders are either tyrants either incompetents. Nearly everyone on this forum agrees that Boris and his government are incompetent, lazy, corrupt etc however, in the same time, everyone is looking forward for his next orders. That makes us what? No one is looking for Boris to make the next moves, for Boris us standing on the shoulders of 1000s of scientists and medical experts. I too worked through the entire thing. I am young and healthy. I chose to vaccinate because all the studies point to it protecting me and others Your free to do as you please, but don’t be upset when someone points out your actions " He relies on the experts he pays and funds... But no, there's no narrative | |||
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"Are any people who haven't had the vaccination considering booking their 1st one since Omicron? I think I am. The numbers are big! I've watched too much news
I'd say you have listened to too much news .. so you will need all 3 injections now then the boosters that will come after
One is better than none…. 2 will be better than 1 … 3 will be better than 2!
The basic premise is that any shot will give you some boost of protection.. yes eventually it will lessen over time, but it will help in the short term "Or an overdose? | |||
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"Think this section of the forum should be renamed Fight Club
Coming in here is the new S&M "It's amazing how this virus has created so much anger and discord. Maybe things will get a bit easier once Covid drifts away. | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately. "But then they'd lose their clients  . Everyone would be twiddling their thumbs | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
Who'd have thought the people of facebook would be smarter than hundreds of REAL scientists with years of experience in virology and epidemiology why its actually sound advice.. vit c also but hey .. also clever clogs hundreds of doctors and scientists are being silenced but you won't want to hear that will you
Nor will you probably want to support those in the NHS whom are about to lose thier jobs and you probably clapped for
But best save that for Facebook aye love " xxx | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
But then they'd lose their clients . Everyone would be twiddling their thumbs"You realise the NHS in the UK isn’t a for profit thing right? So there aren’t clients. There’s literally a budget they stick to and healthcare is provided by the government. Your not in the USA. | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
Who'd have thought the people of facebook would be smarter than hundreds of REAL scientists with years of experience in virology and epidemiology why its actually sound advice.. vit c also but hey .. also clever clogs hundreds of doctors and scientists are being silenced but you won't want to hear that will you
Nor will you probably want to support those in the NHS whom are about to lose thier jobs and you probably clapped for
But best save that for Facebook aye love
Well let’s hope that those in the NHS don’t end up having to treat you because you thought “you knew better”
And I bet you clapped for them as well……
"you'd lose that bet why would I clap someone for doing there job Sorry when they sign up like a soldier copper fire fighter they know the risks And why would I be in hospital because I knew better mush 2 years no mask no injection I've mixed mith more people than most .. If I get ill I use common sense I don't go out I usually stay in bed and man the fuck up If I'm out and feel a cough or a sneeze I use that aged old thing called a hand or my arm then I will clean said hand put wash jacket put tissue in the bin I love the guilt manipulate that comes from your side | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
Who'd have thought the people of facebook would be smarter than hundreds of REAL scientists with years of experience in virology and epidemiology why its actually sound advice.. vit c also but hey .. also clever clogs hundreds of doctors and scientists are being silenced but you won't want to hear that will you
Nor will you probably want to support those in the NHS whom are about to lose thier jobs and you probably clapped for
But best save that for Facebook aye love "What the same scientists that have had their crack pot theories debunked the world over or maybe the anti vax doctors that tell people to drink cures made with pool cleaner? Or too take anti parasitics in massive doses that are potentially dangerous (even the manufacture said it wouldn't be of any benefit) As for the nhs staff no I didn't stand and clap as I was busy being a full time carer for a family member that is in the vulnerable group and as for those that will lose their jobs, that is thier choice, they could have the vaccine as it's not the only one to be mandatory as they already have to have a number of vaccines to be allowed to work on certain wards (and yes this is true as one of my partners is training to be a nurse and had to have all of hers if she wanted to do her placement) so it is thier choice to look for other employment. I have gone the past 2 years following the science and government guidelines and funnily enough I haven't caught covid or had any adverse effects from the vaccine, it's just the same as getting my flu jab every year and strangely I have never had flu either surprise surprise. | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc Could you quote your source for it being very mild? “We have to be really careful that there isn’t a narrative out there that it’s just a mild disease,” said Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s Covid-19 technical lead. The elderly, people who have underlying health conditions and the unvaccinated are still at risk of severe disease, Van Kerkhove said. ”We know that people infected with omicron can have the full spectrum of disease,” she said” Directly from WHO" Direct from Gauteng hospital, South Africa: they did tests on existing patients who had gone to hospital after accidents/other ailments etc. Approximately three-quarters had actually got Omicron but didn't even know it. No symptoms | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
But then they'd lose their clients . Everyone would be twiddling their thumbs
You realise the NHS in the UK isn’t a for profit thing right? So there aren’t clients. There’s literally a budget they stick to and healthcare is provided by the government.
Your not in the USA. "Not actually true. Each NHS trust attracts a payment/tariff per patient seen. In more complicated cases, an uplift on that tariff is paid. New patient tariff is also higher than follow up, There is an annual report that explains in detail how much money has been attracted by each specialty and if the trust is running at a profit or a deficit. Hospitals are definitely run as businesses! | |||
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"Thanks for the responses, I will read the thread later. My 17 year old has decided he wants to have it now....but only so he can go on a lads holiday. " Let's hope he doesn't have any Ill side affects all he has to do is wait till 2023 till the trial is over and full finding published 1 year or life long suffering or possibly worse .. Look at how many kids have died to Sars cov 2 not from 28days pos test to the adverse reactions and deaths in teenagers it's not good | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
But then they'd lose their clients . Everyone would be twiddling their thumbs
You realise the NHS in the UK isn’t a for profit thing right? So there aren’t clients. There’s literally a budget they stick to and healthcare is provided by the government.
Your not in the USA.
Not actually true. Each NHS trust attracts a payment/tariff per patient seen. In more complicated cases, an uplift on that tariff is paid. New patient tariff is also higher than follow up, There is an annual report that explains in detail how much money has been attracted by each specialty and if the trust is running at a profit or a deficit.
Hospitals are definitely run as businesses! "Is that true to the point that the NHS would suppress better forms of treatment because patients = profit? | |||
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"Thanks for the responses, I will read the thread later. My 17 year old has decided he wants to have it now....but only so he can go on a lads holiday. Let's hope he doesn't have any Ill side affects all he has to do is wait till 2023 till the trial is over and full finding published 1 year or life long suffering or possibly worse .. Look at how many kids have died to Sars cov 2 not from 28days pos test to the adverse reactions and deaths in teenagers it's not good " what's the answer? I thought it was something like 20 deaths on total that have been recorded as vaccine related. | |||
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"Think this section of the forum should be renamed Fight Club
Coming in here is the new S&M
It's amazing how this virus has created so much anger and discord.
Maybe things will get a bit easier once Covid drifts away."Are you kidding, they will just go back to slagging off barebackers. | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
But then they'd lose their clients . Everyone would be twiddling their thumbs
You realise the NHS in the UK isn’t a for profit thing right? So there aren’t clients. There’s literally a budget they stick to and healthcare is provided by the government.
Your not in the USA.
Not actually true. Each NHS trust attracts a payment/tariff per patient seen. In more complicated cases, an uplift on that tariff is paid. New patient tariff is also higher than follow up, There is an annual report that explains in detail how much money has been attracted by each specialty and if the trust is running at a profit or a deficit.
Hospitals are definitely run as businesses!
Is that true to the point that the NHS would suppress better forms of treatment because patients = profit? "You would hope not as that is wholly immoral. I was only referring to the comment about the NHS not making profit. An empty hospital would not make any money, that is true. From a moral standpoint, I’m not sure anyone except for those at the very top could have the information to discuss that. | |||
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"Thanks for the responses, I will read the thread later. My 17 year old has decided he wants to have it now....but only so he can go on a lads holiday. Let's hope he doesn't have any Ill side affects all he has to do is wait till 2023 till the trial is over and full finding published 1 year or life long suffering or possibly worse .. Look at how many kids have died to Sars cov 2 not from 28days pos test to the adverse reactions and deaths in teenagers it's not good " How many? | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
But then they'd lose their clients . Everyone would be twiddling their thumbs
You realise the NHS in the UK isn’t a for profit thing right? So there aren’t clients. There’s literally a budget they stick to and healthcare is provided by the government.
Your not in the USA.
Not actually true. Each NHS trust attracts a payment/tariff per patient seen. In more complicated cases, an uplift on that tariff is paid. New patient tariff is also higher than follow up, There is an annual report that explains in detail how much money has been attracted by each specialty and if the trust is running at a profit or a deficit.
Hospitals are definitely run as businesses!
Is that true to the point that the NHS would suppress better forms of treatment because patients = profit?
You would hope not as that is wholly immoral.
I was only referring to the comment about the NHS not making profit. An empty hospital would not make any money, that is true. From a moral standpoint, I’m not sure anyone except for those at the very top could have the information to discuss that."I understand from a moral standpoint it’s an obvious no But the NHS isn’t for profit like healthcare in the US is because it’s government backed For example. A hospital in the US would absolutely suggest a more expensive treatment option because everything is covered by the patient. It’s just upselling Where as in the UK I don’t believe that’s true. The NHS isn’t entire for profit, so they would prefer the cheapest/most effective treatment It’s that idea many conspiracy heads have that patients = profit. So they withhold cures and treatments so they get more profit with less effect treatment Which I believe is entirely false, because the NHS is a government funded program | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
Who'd have thought the people of facebook would be smarter than hundreds of REAL scientists with years of experience in virology and epidemiology why its actually sound advice.. vit c also but hey .. also clever clogs hundreds of doctors and scientists are being silenced but you won't want to hear that will you
Nor will you probably want to support those in the NHS whom are about to lose thier jobs and you probably clapped for
But best save that for Facebook aye love
What the same scientists that have had their crack pot theories debunked the world over or maybe the anti vax doctors that tell people to drink cures made with pool cleaner? Or too take anti parasitics in massive doses that are potentially dangerous (even the manufacture said it wouldn't be of any benefit)
As for the nhs staff no I didn't stand and clap as I was busy being a full time carer for a family member that is in the vulnerable group and as for those that will lose their jobs, that is thier choice, they could have the vaccine as it's not the only one to be mandatory as they already have to have a number of vaccines to be allowed to work on certain wards (and yes this is true as one of my partners is training to be a nurse and had to have all of hers if she wanted to do her placement) so it is thier choice to look for other employment.
I have gone the past 2 years following the science and government guidelines and funnily enough I haven't caught covid or had any adverse effects from the vaccine, it's just the same as getting my flu jab every year and strangely I have never had flu either surprise surprise."nope I'm referring to credible professionals ever heard of the Barrington declaration medical freedom alliance.. incidentally ivermectin was invented for human consumption and won a noble prize in 2015 .. professor Delores cahil whom I've listened at first hand a noble prize winner .. so no I'm not talking about those .. We ain't going to agree but glad you shut up about Facebook pet .. vit c vit d and zinc all help with aid of HQC to aid recovery in respiratory illness .. I've never had a flu injection never wore a mask not injected.. Guess what I get ill every once in a while I fight it off its called and immune system | |||
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"Thanks for the responses, I will read the thread later. My 17 year old has decided he wants to have it now....but only so he can go on a lads holiday. Let's hope he doesn't have any Ill side affects all he has to do is wait till 2023 till the trial is over and full finding published 1 year or life long suffering or possibly worse .. Look at how many kids have died to Sars cov 2 not from 28days pos test to the adverse reactions and deaths in teenagers it's not good " To the OP, please do not listen to any of this nonsense above, speak to you GP or health professional and get real information. The information being given to you here is clearly the _iews of a person with a blind bias. | |||
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"Are any people who haven't had the vaccination considering booking their 1st one since Omicron? I think I am. The numbers are big! I've watched too much news "I won't change my mind. But you need to do what is best for you and your family | |||
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" you'd lose that bet why would I clap someone for doing there job
Sorry when they sign up like a soldier copper fire fighter they know the risks
And why would I be in hospital because I knew better mush 2 years no mask no injection I've mixed mith more people than most ..
If I get ill I use common sense I don't go out I usually stay in bed and man the fuck up
If I'm out and feel a cough or a sneeze I use that aged old thing called a hand or my arm then I will clean said hand put wash jacket put tissue in the bin
I love the guilt manipulate that comes from your side "If you think that is guilt manipulation… you are really going to hate what is coming next… spoiler! You really need to speak to someone who works in ICU .. there are a few fab members who do.. and I would take your fingers out of your ears and listen to their stories over the last 2 years… some of the most horrific and heartbreaking stuff For you to demean them and the work they do is the lowest of the low… you couldn’t pay me enough to do what they have had to do! See…. There is something that Americans do that I think we should always do… whenever you talk to someone who has served in the military, you always say “thank you for your service!”… I now extend that to people working in the NHS! I know you are trying to prove some sort of petty point… big hard man look at me! … but just be careful of those you tread on in the process! Because one day you may just need them, and they will show you all the respect that you are unwilling to give them…. | |||
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" you'd lose that bet why would I clap someone for doing there job
Sorry when they sign up like a soldier copper fire fighter they know the risks
And why would I be in hospital because I knew better mush 2 years no mask no injection I've mixed mith more people than most ..
If I get ill I use common sense I don't go out I usually stay in bed and man the fuck up
If I'm out and feel a cough or a sneeze I use that aged old thing called a hand or my arm then I will clean said hand put wash jacket put tissue in the bin
I love the guilt manipulate that comes from your side
If you think that is guilt manipulation… you are really going to hate what is coming next… spoiler!
You really need to speak to someone who works in ICU .. there are a few fab members who do.. and I would take your fingers out of your ears and listen to their stories over the last 2 years… some of the most horrific and heartbreaking stuff
For you to demean them and the work they do is the lowest of the low… you couldn’t pay me enough to do what they have had to do!
See…. There is something that Americans do that I think we should always do… whenever you talk to someone who has served in the military, you always say “thank you for your service!”… I now extend that to people working in the NHS!
I know you are trying to prove some sort of petty point… big hard man look at me! … but just be careful of those you tread on in the process! Because one day you may just need them, and they will show you all the respect that you are unwilling to give them…."spoiler for you 25006790 my army number for your information I've a dear friend someone I actually know who's a sister in ICU Don't try playing the tinfool Knight mate | |||
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" you'd lose that bet why would I clap someone for doing there job
Sorry when they sign up like a soldier copper fire fighter they know the risks
And why would I be in hospital because I knew better mush 2 years no mask no injection I've mixed mith more people than most ..
If I get ill I use common sense I don't go out I usually stay in bed and man the fuck up
If I'm out and feel a cough or a sneeze I use that aged old thing called a hand or my arm then I will clean said hand put wash jacket put tissue in the bin
I love the guilt manipulate that comes from your side
If you think that is guilt manipulation… you are really going to hate what is coming next… spoiler!
You really need to speak to someone who works in ICU .. there are a few fab members who do.. and I would take your fingers out of your ears and listen to their stories over the last 2 years… some of the most horrific and heartbreaking stuff
For you to demean them and the work they do is the lowest of the low… you couldn’t pay me enough to do what they have had to do!
See…. There is something that Americans do that I think we should always do… whenever you talk to someone who has served in the military, you always say “thank you for your service!”… I now extend that to people working in the NHS!
I know you are trying to prove some sort of petty point… big hard man look at me! … but just be careful of those you tread on in the process! Because one day you may just need them, and they will show you all the respect that you are unwilling to give them…."Well said that man. | |||
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"SO UNVACCINATED PEOPLE CAN SHOW A NEGATIVE LATERAL FLOW TEST TO GET INTO CLUBS WHICH MEANS THE UNVACCINATED WILL BE PROVING THEY DON'T HAVE THE VIRUS BUT THE VACCINATED WON'T BE. A VACCINATED PERSON IN A CLUB COULD STILL HAVE THE VIRUS & SPREAD THE VIRUS BUT AN UNVACCINATED PERSON COULDN'T. - NOT ABOUT A VIRUS" I think the daleks are behind it all | |||
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"Are any people who haven't had the vaccination considering booking their 1st one since Omicron? I think I am. The numbers are big! I've watched too much news
Don't do it. You've lasted 2 years and haven't needed it. You can survive a mild cold"Mild colds dont kill 100000+ people I'm afraid | |||
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"Are any people who haven't had the vaccination considering booking their 1st one since Omicron? I think I am. The numbers are big! I've watched too much news
Don't do it. You've lasted 2 years and haven't needed it. You can survive a mild cold
Mild colds dont kill 100000+ people I'm afraid "Nearly 5.5 million at last count | |||
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"Have read an article which says that in the US the CDC has reported that 70% of those who have contracted omicron are those who have had the vaccine. Just makes you wonder." I wonder tho the ratio of vaccinated vs unvaxed.. Is it actually a fair statement? | |||
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"Are any people who haven't had the vaccination considering booking their 1st one since Omicron? I think I am. The numbers are big! I've watched too much news
Don't do it. You've lasted 2 years and haven't needed it. You can survive a mild cold
Mild colds dont kill 100000+ people I'm afraid
Nearly 5.5 million at last count "What in the last two years? | |||
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"SO UNVACCINATED PEOPLE CAN SHOW A NEGATIVE LATERAL FLOW TEST TO GET INTO CLUBS WHICH MEANS THE UNVACCINATED WILL BE PROVING THEY DON'T HAVE THE VIRUS BUT THE VACCINATED WON'T BE. A VACCINATED PERSON IN A CLUB COULD STILL HAVE THE VIRUS & SPREAD THE VIRUS BUT AN UNVACCINATED PERSON COULDN'T. - NOT ABOUT A VIRUS " An argument is this is about everybody haloing to reduce the risks of hospitalisations in an economic way. If you are vaccinated you reduce the risk you will be hospitalised. If you are unvaccinated you don't. However a negative test means you won't be spreading to anyone else, so are helping that way. While the ideal may be rest everyone all the time, that doesn't work from s cost pov | |||
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"Anyone not vaccinated needs their head examining. Whilst a vaccination will not stop you from contracting COVID-19, it will ensure that your body is educated to fight the Virus and make you less ill than you otherwise would have been. Being vaccinated also helps stop the spread and protects others. Very selfish and uncaring not to do the right thing! I’ve worked all the way through pandemic. To call people like me uncaring and selfish? Do you know how it feels to drive to work on the first day of lockdown, the first one, when no one knew anything about this virus and to see just another two cars for more than 10 miles, on a stretch of road which otherwise is packed and to ask yourself “ what the heck I am doing, where I am going?” Hmm… How difficult is for people like you to comprehend that a huge part of population is completely immune to this virus? The virus doesn’t worry me at all. I am more worried about cholesterol than covid. However, I feel a huge psychological pressure, more than anything I experienced in my life, from the governments whose main focus is to vaccinate everyone regardless of their health status. This is not a a medical act, this is a forced medical experiment. I do agree that for some people the vaccine makes sense and saves lives but is not for everyone. We are a weak society and our leaders are either tyrants either incompetents. Nearly everyone on this forum agrees that Boris and his government are incompetent, lazy, corrupt etc however, in the same time, everyone is looking forward for his next orders. That makes us what? No one is looking for Boris to make the next moves, for Boris us standing on the shoulders of 1000s of scientists and medical experts. I too worked through the entire thing. I am young and healthy. I chose to vaccinate because all the studies point to it protecting me and others Your free to do as you please, but don’t be upset when someone points out your actions " well I think the point being made is we are less and less free to do as we please | |||
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"Think this section of the forum should be renamed Fight Club
Coming in here is the new S&M
It's amazing how this virus has created so much anger and discord.
Maybe things will get a bit easier once Covid drifts away."Nah we will then start talking about Brexit impacts even more and after that there will be a GE and the blue and red flag waving will start. Tribes all about tribes! | |||
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"Think this section of the forum should be renamed Fight Club
Coming in here is the new S&M
It's amazing how this virus has created so much anger and discord.
Maybe things will get a bit easier once Covid drifts away.
Nah we will then start talking about Brexit impacts even more and after that there will be a GE and the blue and red flag waving will start. Tribes all about tribes!"I'm in the anti-tribe tribe. It's very confusing. | |||
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"Frankie says: When two tribes go to war a point is all that you can score! Just look at all these people banging their tribal drums making their opposing binary arguments! Keyboard warriors "Saving the world, via their Smartphones | |||
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"Frankie says: When two tribes go to war a point is all that you can score! Just look at all these people banging their tribal drums making their opposing binary arguments! Keyboard warriors "It's why I didn't bother | |||
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"Frankie says: When two tribes go to war a point is all that you can score! Just look at all these people banging their tribal drums making their opposing binary arguments! Keyboard warriors
It's why I didn't bother "The ability of the human race “round these parts anyhows” (that is meant to be a redneck accent) to have civilised debate and raise valid concerns for discussion has been lost. People are too busy shouting in their tribal echo chambers because they are seeking community and a sense of belonging to validate themselves, rather than stepping back and actually acknowledging that as well as the “other side” having valid point, there might actually be a fair few people in the middle who understand that the world isn’t black & white but actually many shades of grey (no not that awful book/film). | |||
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"Are any people who haven't had the vaccination considering booking their 1st one since Omicron? I think I am. The numbers are big! I've watched too much news
Don't do it. You've lasted 2 years and haven't needed it. You can survive a mild cold
Mild colds dont kill 100000+ people I'm afraid "1 person has died of Omicron. I don't believe a single covid related stat as it's all false. How can someone dying of suicide but tested positive within 28 days be dead from covid? | |||
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" 1 person has died of Omicron. I don't believe a single covid related stat as it's all false. How can someone dying of suicide but tested positive within 28 days be dead from covid? " Quotes a statistic but doesn't believe statistics. Slow clap, professor. | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. " You answered your own question...because they are “anti vax” There are many crackpot reasons for not wanting to have these covid vaccines but there are also some genuine concerns. Those concerns are fed by a mistrust of govt and of big pharma. On this occasion they might be wrong/right but the trouble is both govt/big pharma have form and history for lying. Add to that the behaviour of those in govt/politics and how there have been cases of them ignoring their own rules, and that just feeds the scepticism. The pro-vaccine gang appear to trust everyone in authority, seemingly without question and stifle debate. The anti-vaccine gang appear to trust nobody in authority, seemingly assuming everyone is lying or lacks morals. | |||
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"The pro-vaccine gang appear to trust everyone in authority, seemingly without question and stifle debate." This is nonsense, of course. The majority of people who will take the vaccine are able to clearly observe that this government is the most incompetent and corrupt in living memory, and while those are unarguable facts, they also have no bearing on the efficacy or the safety of the vaccine. | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. " Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... | |||
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" 1 person has died of Omicron. I don't believe a single covid related stat as it's all false. How can someone dying of suicide but tested positive within 28 days be dead from covid? Quotes a statistic but doesn't believe statistics. Slow clap, professor. " Do you agree with NHS/ Care home workers losing their jobs because of a medical choice? | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without..." It would seem I haven't been paying attention. Which athletes have collapsed with a direct link to a jab? | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without..." Feel free to list ‘all the athletes collapsing’, ‘every single one of them linked with the jab’. There must be thousands, or at the very least hundreds you can reference, if there is anything even remotely statistically significant happening, rather than anecdotal scaremongering. | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without..." The same number of athletes that collapsed are the same number you would expect any time it's just the differences is now being reported more widely and lots of this has to do with what happened to Christian Eriksen. At least 3 of the athletes that have recently collapsed have confirmed they hadn't been vaccinated at all so that blows your theory out of the water. There was also people saying the fan in the stands in Southampton had collapsed after receiving the vaccine however it was an epileptic fit in a man who was a known epileptic. | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... It would seem I haven't been paying attention. Which athletes have collapsed with a direct link to a jab?" Aguero, Fleck, Erickson, possibly lindelorf (still testing) Leon Taylor (non league) Adama Traore, Riuler de Oliveira Faustino Zielinski. That's just some of them. Even if not directly linked at this moment in time. Do you not think it's a little coincidental how so many are collapsing this year compared to every other year? | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... It would seem I haven't been paying attention. Which athletes have collapsed with a direct link to a jab? Aguero, Fleck, Erickson, possibly lindelorf (still testing) Leon Taylor (non league) Adama Traore, Riuler de Oliveira Faustino Zielinski. That's just some of them. Even if not directly linked at this moment in time. Do you not think it's a little coincidental how so many are collapsing this year compared to every other year? " Japan is labelling Covid vaccines to warn of warn of dangerous and potentially deadly side effects such as Myocarditis. Sides effects are genuine and they cannot be brushed under the carpet. Kyle Warner 29 year old professional Mountain bike champion was diagnosed with pericarditis. And they didn't aspirate the needle......so feel free to Fab check me its all out there and for the record Kyle is not bitter about it. Dr John Campbell inter_iewed him on his channel and Kyle Warner also appeared on Senator Ron Johnson Vaccine Mandate discussion with Medical Professionals and Vaccine Injured. November 2nd 2021. | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately. "It's something everybody should be taking anyway. It was mentioned by the Government in the early days of covid.... | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... It would seem I haven't been paying attention. Which athletes have collapsed with a direct link to a jab? Aguero, Fleck, Erickson, possibly lindelorf (still testing) Leon Taylor (non league) Adama Traore, Riuler de Oliveira Faustino Zielinski. That's just some of them. Even if not directly linked at this moment in time. Do you not think it's a little coincidental how so many are collapsing this year compared to every other year? " Seems covid has been with us for a lot longer than we knew
Sergio Aguero’s cardiologist has said a virus could be behind the heart problems that led to the footballer announcing his retirement on Tuesday.
Roberto Peidro, who has treated the Argentine since 2004, also insisted the 33-year-old will be able to lead a “normal life” despite being left with a tiny scar near his heart following a cardiac ablation.
In radio inter_iews in his native Argentina Peidro, who began to treat the former Man City legend in 2004 when he suffered palpitations while he was still at boyhood club Independiente, said: “He has a very small scar in his heart area which is less than a millimetre which is why it sort of short-circuits and causes those arrhythmias. | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... It would seem I haven't been paying attention. Which athletes have collapsed with a direct link to a jab? Aguero, Fleck, Erickson, possibly lindelorf (still testing) Leon Taylor (non league) Adama Traore, Riuler de Oliveira Faustino Zielinski. That's just some of them. Even if not directly linked at this moment in time. Do you not think it's a little coincidental how so many are collapsing this year compared to every other year? " So you listed 8. Which you freely admit are not directly linked. Out of how many that have been vaccinated? If it was twenty vaccinated practicing sports people in total, then you might have something. If it’s out of what is more like millions of them, professional and amateur, then trying to make that point based on your ‘evidence’ becomes obviously absurd. | |||
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" 1 person has died of Omicron. I don't believe a single covid related stat as it's all false. How can someone dying of suicide but tested positive within 28 days be dead from covid? Quotes a statistic but doesn't believe statistics. Slow clap, professor. Do you agree with NHS/ Care home workers losing their jobs because of a medical choice? " Off topic to my OP but.....my aunt runs a care home they have 17 staff, 9 of which they are losing because they cant/won't have the vaccine. Their doctor told them "there is no reason why anyone can't be vaccinated" even though one member of staff has family history. I expect doctors have been told to say that. Thanks again for the replies. No fighting though. I'm a lover not a fighter | |||
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"It’s been proven to protect you massively Why wouldn’t you get it? Lots and lots and lots of reasons
Good thing no one’s asking you then since you’ve made your mind up
To the OP. We had 1000s of deaths a day before the vaccine. We are now in a much better position and life has been mostly normal since the vaccines
Multiple studies showing it protects you. The risk to reward ratio is massively in favour of you getting it.
What’s stopping you? "Deaths within 28 days of a positive result Not necessarily from covid. | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... The same number of athletes that collapsed are the same number you would expect any time it's just the differences is now being reported more widely and lots of this has to do with what happened to Christian Eriksen. At least 3 of the athletes that have recently collapsed have confirmed they hadn't been vaccinated at all so that blows your theory out of the water. There was also people saying the fan in the stands in Southampton had collapsed after receiving the vaccine however it was an epileptic fit in a man who was a known epileptic. " Regardless. I'm friends with vaccinated. I'm friends with unvaccinated. My friends who are vaxxed told me you need to sign a form agreeing to the fact it causes inflamation of the heart/respiratory problems? Don't know how true it is as i have never had it. But with that being said, why do i need to have it and risk heart attack/respiratory problems when having the rona i was asymptomatic? | |||
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"Anyone not vaccinated needs their head examining. Whilst a vaccination will not stop you from contracting COVID-19, it will ensure that your body is educated to fight the Virus and make you less ill than you otherwise would have been. Being vaccinated also helps stop the spread and protects others. Very selfish and uncaring not to do the right thing! " Anyone who reduces their chance's of dying from convid at 1:1686 down to dying from the vaccine to 1:90 needs their head examining. Source BMJ, go look it up. | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... It would seem I haven't been paying attention. Which athletes have collapsed with a direct link to a jab? Aguero, Fleck, Erickson, possibly lindelorf (still testing) Leon Taylor (non league) Adama Traore, Riuler de Oliveira Faustino Zielinski. That's just some of them. Even if not directly linked at this moment in time. Do you not think it's a little coincidental how so many are collapsing this year compared to every other year? So you listed 8. Which you freely admit are not directly linked. Out of how many that have been vaccinated? If it was twenty vaccinated practicing sports people in total, then you might have something. If it’s out of what is more like millions of them, professional and amateur, then trying to make that point based on your ‘evidence’ becomes obviously absurd." I am not anti vax in anyway shape or form. I spent 10 years in the forces and travelled to many weird and wonderful places which required tried and tested vaccines. And i had every single jab required. But a vaccine that to me, has been rushed and being forced on people which is still under trial is not the amswer at thos moment in time. When long term studies are proven safe then i will consider getting it. But for now. The "scaremongering" is pretty clear when professional athletes are collapsing pretty much every week. If you cam't see that or refuse to see it, it is very ignorant. | |||
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"Have read an article which says that in the US the CDC has reported that 70% of those who have contracted omicron are those who have had the vaccine. Just makes you wonder." Omicron is not a varient, it's the reaction to the vaccine. | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... It would seem I haven't been paying attention. Which athletes have collapsed with a direct link to a jab? Aguero, Fleck, Erickson, possibly lindelorf (still testing) Leon Taylor (non league) Adama Traore, Riuler de Oliveira Faustino Zielinski. That's just some of them. Even if not directly linked at this moment in time. Do you not think it's a little coincidental how so many are collapsing this year compared to every other year? So you listed 8. Which you freely admit are not directly linked. Out of how many that have been vaccinated? If it was twenty vaccinated practicing sports people in total, then you might have something. If it’s out of what is more like millions of them, professional and amateur, then trying to make that point based on your ‘evidence’ becomes obviously absurd." Erikson was before the vaccines, no ? You didn't mention Wyke, who collapsed but was unvaccinated. Fleck has been said to have seperate medical issues. And without being dismissive of Taylor's death, I would suggest there have been deaths in the past at tier 8 that just wouldn't register normally. There may be a link. It could be covid rather than the vaccine. Or maybe it's over training ? It's not immediate to be to jump to the vaccine so quickly tho ... | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... Feel free to list ‘all the athletes collapsing’, ‘every single one of them linked with the jab’. There must be thousands, or at the very least hundreds you can reference, if there is anything even remotely statistically significant happening, rather than anecdotal scaremongering." Check out the FIFA web site, average deaths of pro footballers worldwide whilst under contract 5. This year upto mid November 183. Hardly normal? | |||
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" Omicron is not a varient, it's the reaction to the vaccine." Well that's bizarre because we've sequenced the genome of omicron variant SARS CoV2. | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... It would seem I haven't been paying attention. Which athletes have collapsed with a direct link to a jab? Aguero, Fleck, Erickson, possibly lindelorf (still testing) Leon Taylor (non league) Adama Traore, Riuler de Oliveira Faustino Zielinski. That's just some of them. Even if not directly linked at this moment in time. Do you not think it's a little coincidental how so many are collapsing this year compared to every other year? So you listed 8. Which you freely admit are not directly linked. Out of how many that have been vaccinated? If it was twenty vaccinated practicing sports people in total, then you might have something. If it’s out of what is more like millions of them, professional and amateur, then trying to make that point based on your ‘evidence’ becomes obviously absurd. I am not anti vax in anyway shape or form. I spent 10 years in the forces and travelled to many weird and wonderful places which required tried and tested vaccines. And i had every single jab required. But a vaccine that to me, has been rushed and being forced on people which is still under trial is not the amswer at thos moment in time. When long term studies are proven safe then i will consider getting it. But for now. The "scaremongering" is pretty clear when professional athletes are collapsing pretty much every week. If you cam't see that or refuse to see it, it is very ignorant. " So, what you are saying is you are ‘open minded’, except when the available evidence doesn’t support in any way what you ‘feel’ to be the case? Got it. Emotions over evidence, then. That’s totally fine, but don’t kid yourself you are taking your position based on any facts here. | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... Feel free to list ‘all the athletes collapsing’, ‘every single one of them linked with the jab’. There must be thousands, or at the very least hundreds you can reference, if there is anything even remotely statistically significant happening, rather than anecdotal scaremongering. Check out the FIFA web site, average deaths of pro footballers worldwide whilst under contract 5. This year upto mid November 183. Hardly normal?" wasn't the 183 a number from an Israeli document that included people who died last year, youngsters, older people, and across a number of sports? If not, can you link me to where I'm meant to be looking on the FIFA website ? | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... The same number of athletes that collapsed are the same number you would expect any time it's just the differences is now being reported more widely and lots of this has to do with what happened to Christian Eriksen. At least 3 of the athletes that have recently collapsed have confirmed they hadn't been vaccinated at all so that blows your theory out of the water. There was also people saying the fan in the stands in Southampton had collapsed after receiving the vaccine however it was an epileptic fit in a man who was a known epileptic. Regardless. I'm friends with vaccinated. I'm friends with unvaccinated. My friends who are vaxxed told me you need to sign a form agreeing to the fact it causes inflamation of the heart/respiratory problems? Don't know how true it is as i have never had it. But with that being said, why do i need to have it and risk heart attack/respiratory problems when having the rona i was asymptomatic?" Your friends are lying to you because I didn't have to sign anything neither has anybody that I know that has had the vaccine. | |||
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"Endless. Do what YOU feel is right FOR YOU. Some people want to take vaccinations and what appears to be a never ending series of 2boosters" for new variants. Others update their anti-virus every day with healthy eating, Vitamins, Fresh Air Walking, good sleep etc. Do NOT be pressurised by The Daily Mail and Media Fear Campaigns. Do what you think is right for you. Healthy people have almost nothing to fear from this virus. " Yet you're pressurising the poster with your own opinion! | |||
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"Anyone not vaccinated needs their head examining. Whilst a vaccination will not stop you from contracting COVID-19, it will ensure that your body is educated to fight the Virus and make you less ill than you otherwise would have been. Being vaccinated also helps stop the spread and protects others. Very selfish and uncaring not to do the right thing! " Calm down...i don't give a fuck about your choices so you don't care about mine or others | |||
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"Anyone not vaccinated needs their head examining. Whilst a vaccination will not stop you from contracting COVID-19, it will ensure that your body is educated to fight the Virus and make you less ill than you otherwise would have been. Being vaccinated also helps stop the spread and protects others. Very selfish and uncaring not to do the right thing! Calm down...i don't give a fuck about your choices so you don't care about mine or others " We should all give a fuck about others choices particularly when may impact all of us. It's like saying somebody choosing to drink drive isn't my concern. It's all of our concern. | |||
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"Endless. Do what YOU feel is right FOR YOU. Some people want to take vaccinations and what appears to be a never ending series of 2boosters" for new variants. Others update their anti-virus every day with healthy eating, Vitamins, Fresh Air Walking, good sleep etc. Do NOT be pressurised by The Daily Mail and Media Fear Campaigns. Do what you think is right for you. Healthy people have almost nothing to fear from this virus. " This . | |||
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"SO UNVACCINATED PEOPLE CAN SHOW A NEGATIVE LATERAL FLOW TEST TO GET INTO CLUBS WHICH MEANS THE UNVACCINATED WILL BE PROVING THEY DON'T HAVE THE VIRUS BUT THE VACCINATED WON'T BE. A VACCINATED PERSON IN A CLUB COULD STILL HAVE THE VIRUS & SPREAD THE VIRUS BUT AN UNVACCINATED PERSON COULDN'T. - NOT ABOUT A VIRUS Never was about a virus but nobody wants to hear that. Because, Jee whizz, if it was about a virus, there would have been stuff done about it in a much more sensible fashion, wouldn't there ."You are so right, it was obviously a very clever plot by world governments to reduce their tax incomes, increase their welfare costs and set their economy back a decade... People really need to wake up to that. | |||
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" 2. PCR "test" Jerneja Tomsic, Ph.D., informed the public about the anti-scientific PCR "test". Virologists are abusing PCR technology. The complete alleged pandemic has no scientific basis because it is based on the misuse of PCR technology. All her students know that a positive PCR test can be obtained from water with an anti-scientific number of cycles. More than 33 cycles are scientifically unacceptable because sequences that are not present are obtained. With more than 40 cycles, even water will be positive." This is, quite frankly, a load of shit. | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... It would seem I haven't been paying attention. Which athletes have collapsed with a direct link to a jab? Aguero, Fleck, Erickson, possibly lindelorf (still testing) Leon Taylor (non league) Adama Traore, Riuler de Oliveira Faustino Zielinski. That's just some of them. Even if not directly linked at this moment in time. Do you not think it's a little coincidental how so many are collapsing this year compared to every other year? So you listed 8. Which you freely admit are not directly linked. Out of how many that have been vaccinated? If it was twenty vaccinated practicing sports people in total, then you might have something. If it’s out of what is more like millions of them, professional and amateur, then trying to make that point based on your ‘evidence’ becomes obviously absurd.Erikson was before the vaccines, no ? You didn't mention Wyke, who collapsed but was unvaccinated. Fleck has been said to have seperate medical issues. And without being dismissive of Taylor's death, I would suggest there have been deaths in the past at tier 8 that just wouldn't register normally. There may be a link. It could be covid rather than the vaccine. Or maybe it's over training ? It's not immediate to be to jump to the vaccine so quickly tho ... " No. Everyone had to be vaxxed to travel to the euros. That's exactly why i didn't mention Wyke... At the moment for me it's an easy link to make seeing players drop pretty much every week isn't a normal thing and should not be normalised. Especially when they are the fittest people on the planet. I have a lot more screenshots of the players who have collapsed but it's effort naming them. I am in no way an expert on the case and neither are any of you. I personally think players collapsing could be a link to the vaccine. It may not be. But until there is more long term studies i will be safe without it. The vax does not stop the spread in anyway shape or form. A man who is very heavily involved and making millions if not billions from the vaccine said himself... (Bill Gates) easy to find the video. So the whole "being selfish" because i'm spreading it. Even though i haven't had it since i was asymptomatic is a load of nonsense | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc" Better to get vaccinated than snakeoil too | |||
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"Have read an article which says that in the US the CDC has reported that 70% of those who have contracted omicron are those who have had the vaccine. Just makes you wonder." Not this again. Vaccine reduces the spread not stops it, no Vaccine in history does. Much larger percentage of people are vacinated. Not rocket science is it. | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... It would seem I haven't been paying attention. Which athletes have collapsed with a direct link to a jab? Aguero, Fleck, Erickson, possibly lindelorf (still testing) Leon Taylor (non league) Adama Traore, Riuler de Oliveira Faustino Zielinski. That's just some of them. Even if not directly linked at this moment in time. Do you not think it's a little coincidental how so many are collapsing this year compared to every other year? So you listed 8. Which you freely admit are not directly linked. Out of how many that have been vaccinated? If it was twenty vaccinated practicing sports people in total, then you might have something. If it’s out of what is more like millions of them, professional and amateur, then trying to make that point based on your ‘evidence’ becomes obviously absurd.Erikson was before the vaccines, no ? You didn't mention Wyke, who collapsed but was unvaccinated. Fleck has been said to have seperate medical issues. And without being dismissive of Taylor's death, I would suggest there have been deaths in the past at tier 8 that just wouldn't register normally. There may be a link. It could be covid rather than the vaccine. Or maybe it's over training ? It's not immediate to be to jump to the vaccine so quickly tho ... No. Everyone had to be vaxxed to travel to the euros. That's exactly why i didn't mention Wyke... At the moment for me it's an easy link to make seeing players drop pretty much every week isn't a normal thing and should not be normalised. Especially when they are the fittest people on the planet. I have a lot more screenshots of the players who have collapsed but it's effort naming them. I am in no way an expert on the case and neither are any of you. I personally think players collapsing could be a link to the vaccine. It may not be. But until there is more long term studies i will be safe without it. The vax does not stop the spread in anyway shape or form. A man who is very heavily involved and making millions if not billions from the vaccine said himself... (Bill Gates) easy to find the video. So the whole "being selfish" because i'm spreading it. Even though i haven't had it since i was asymptomatic is a load of nonsense" Interested to see what players you are referring too? | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... It would seem I haven't been paying attention. Which athletes have collapsed with a direct link to a jab? Aguero, Fleck, Erickson, possibly lindelorf (still testing) Leon Taylor (non league) Adama Traore, Riuler de Oliveira Faustino Zielinski. That's just some of them. Even if not directly linked at this moment in time. Do you not think it's a little coincidental how so many are collapsing this year compared to every other year? So you listed 8. Which you freely admit are not directly linked. Out of how many that have been vaccinated? If it was twenty vaccinated practicing sports people in total, then you might have something. If it’s out of what is more like millions of them, professional and amateur, then trying to make that point based on your ‘evidence’ becomes obviously absurd.Erikson was before the vaccines, no ? You didn't mention Wyke, who collapsed but was unvaccinated. Fleck has been said to have seperate medical issues. And without being dismissive of Taylor's death, I would suggest there have been deaths in the past at tier 8 that just wouldn't register normally. There may be a link. It could be covid rather than the vaccine. Or maybe it's over training ? It's not immediate to be to jump to the vaccine so quickly tho ... No. Everyone had to be vaxxed to travel to the euros. That's exactly why i didn't mention Wyke... At the moment for me it's an easy link to make seeing players drop pretty much every week isn't a normal thing and should not be normalised. Especially when they are the fittest people on the planet. I have a lot more screenshots of the players who have collapsed but it's effort naming them. I am in no way an expert on the case and neither are any of you. I personally think players collapsing could be a link to the vaccine. It may not be. But until there is more long term studies i will be safe without it. The vax does not stop the spread in anyway shape or form. A man who is very heavily involved and making millions if not billions from the vaccine said himself... (Bill Gates) easy to find the video. So the whole "being selfish" because i'm spreading it. Even though i haven't had it since i was asymptomatic is a load of nonsense" inter said Erikson wasn't vaccinated. But if we are saying cases are more frequent but ignoring caes that aren't to do with vaccines, then you run the risk of jumping to a bad conclusions of the cause even if there is an uptick. | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... It would seem I haven't been paying attention. Which athletes have collapsed with a direct link to a jab? Aguero, Fleck, Erickson, possibly lindelorf (still testing) Leon Taylor (non league) Adama Traore, Riuler de Oliveira Faustino Zielinski. That's just some of them. Even if not directly linked at this moment in time. Do you not think it's a little coincidental how so many are collapsing this year compared to every other year? So you listed 8. Which you freely admit are not directly linked. Out of how many that have been vaccinated? If it was twenty vaccinated practicing sports people in total, then you might have something. If it’s out of what is more like millions of them, professional and amateur, then trying to make that point based on your ‘evidence’ becomes obviously absurd.Erikson was before the vaccines, no ? You didn't mention Wyke, who collapsed but was unvaccinated. Fleck has been said to have seperate medical issues. And without being dismissive of Taylor's death, I would suggest there have been deaths in the past at tier 8 that just wouldn't register normally. There may be a link. It could be covid rather than the vaccine. Or maybe it's over training ? It's not immediate to be to jump to the vaccine so quickly tho ... No. Everyone had to be vaxxed to travel to the euros. That's exactly why i didn't mention Wyke... At the moment for me it's an easy link to make seeing players drop pretty much every week isn't a normal thing and should not be normalised. Especially when they are the fittest people on the planet. I have a lot more screenshots of the players who have collapsed but it's effort naming them. I am in no way an expert on the case and neither are any of you. I personally think players collapsing could be a link to the vaccine. It may not be. But until there is more long term studies i will be safe without it. The vax does not stop the spread in anyway shape or form. A man who is very heavily involved and making millions if not billions from the vaccine said himself... (Bill Gates) easy to find the video. So the whole "being selfish" because i'm spreading it. Even though i haven't had it since i was asymptomatic is a load of nonsense" Sure - if you allow yourself to believe any old half-heard nonsense while choosing to ignore facts, then whatever you imagine can be true! | |||
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"Are any people who haven't had the vaccination considering booking their 1st one since Omicron? I think I am. The numbers are big! I've watched too much news "Nope | |||
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"People really should be made to take a test before they are allowed online...as long as it's not one of those "check you aren't a robot test". I fail those. "They can be pretty tricky to be fair. | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
Who'd have thought the people of facebook would be smarter than hundreds of REAL scientists with years of experience in virology and epidemiology why its actually sound advice.. vit c also but hey .. also clever clogs hundreds of doctors and scientists are being silenced but you won't want to hear that will you
Nor will you probably want to support those in the NHS whom are about to lose thier jobs and you probably clapped for
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" Omicron is not a varient, it's the reaction to the vaccine. Well that's bizarre because we've sequenced the genome of omicron variant SARS CoV2. Jerneja Tomsic holds a PhD in molecular biology. She has been using PCR technology in her work for 25 years. Jerneja Tomsic, Ph.D., is shocked by the misuse of PCR technology to test for alleged "viruses" but also the sequencing of alleged "genomes" because the number of PCR cycles applied for these two years has nothing to do with science. That number of cycles means more than 33. This is a violation of science! 1. SEQUENCING Currently, all virologists in the world use the dirty "ARTIC" protocol with 35 cycles before they start sequencing (amplicon based "WGS"). If we look at the graph presented to the public by Jerneja Tomsic, Ph.D., we can conclude that covid virologists deal with dirty PCR with more than 35 cycles. This means that before performing sequencing, all virologists first make sequences that do not exist in the starting material. This is a total collapse of virology! I invite all scientists in the world to further inform their colleagues as well as citizens about this revolutionary news! 2. PCR "test" Jerneja Tomsic, Ph.D., informed the public about the anti-scientific PCR "test". Virologists are abusing PCR technology. The complete alleged pandemic has no scientific basis because it is based on the misuse of PCR technology. All her students know that a positive PCR test can be obtained from water with an anti-scientific number of cycles. More than 33 cycles are scientifically unacceptable because sequences that are not present are obtained. With more than 40 cycles, even water will be positive." blah blah blah About 90% of positive samples are detectable at much lower levels that the 33 mentioned. I can't remember how many but it's somewhere in the 20s. Unfortunately, I can't find the article I read this in because so many numpties have been doing FOI requests and all my search criteria return those. | |||
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" blah blah blah About 90% of positive samples are detectable at much lower levels that the 33 mentioned. I can't remember how many but it's somewhere in the 20s. Unfortunately, I can't find the article I read this in because so many numpties have been doing FOI requests and all my search criteria return those. " Whilst this is essentially true, the people posting about PCR cycles fail to understand the difference between cycles and Ct (the point at which the fluorescence crosses the detection threshold). I have reactions where my positive control crosses at around 28.0 and to call my target positive, I'm looking for a delta of less than 6.9. The reaction still runs for fifty cycles but I'd never report a positive with a Ct that high. | |||
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"You have all lost the plot." I'm not certain many of them were in possession of the plot in the first place. 
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
But then they'd lose their clients . Everyone would be twiddling their thumbs
You realise the NHS in the UK isn’t a for profit thing right? So there aren’t clients. There’s literally a budget they stick to and healthcare is provided by the government.
Your not in the USA.
Not actually true. Each NHS trust attracts a payment/tariff per patient seen. In more complicated cases, an uplift on that tariff is paid. New patient tariff is also higher than follow up, There is an annual report that explains in detail how much money has been attracted by each specialty and if the trust is running at a profit or a deficit.
Hospitals are definitely run as businesses!
Is that true to the point that the NHS would suppress better forms of treatment because patients = profit? "Treatments are being suppressed worldwide in favour of the magic bullet vaccines. Where are the early treatments when people test positive? Most people who receive any form of treatment before the stage of hospitalization never get to that stage. Yet our advice here? Stay home unless it gets to the stage you can't breathe. Maybe we'd have less of a strain on NHS if the focus was on prevention of disease progression rather than trying to pour a cup of water on an oil fire once its ablaze. | |||
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"Thanks for the responses, I will read the thread later. My 17 year old has decided he wants to have it now....but only so he can go on a lads holiday. Let's hope he doesn't have any Ill side affects all he has to do is wait till 2023 till the trial is over and full finding published 1 year or life long suffering or possibly worse .. Look at how many kids have died to Sars cov 2 not from 28days pos test to the adverse reactions and deaths in teenagers it's not good " I have a feeling that you're trying to help but you're not really are you  | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
But then they'd lose their clients . Everyone would be twiddling their thumbs
You realise the NHS in the UK isn’t a for profit thing right? So there aren’t clients. There’s literally a budget they stick to and healthcare is provided by the government.
Your not in the USA.
Not actually true. Each NHS trust attracts a payment/tariff per patient seen. In more complicated cases, an uplift on that tariff is paid. New patient tariff is also higher than follow up, There is an annual report that explains in detail how much money has been attracted by each specialty and if the trust is running at a profit or a deficit.
Hospitals are definitely run as businesses!
Is that true to the point that the NHS would suppress better forms of treatment because patients = profit? Treatments are being suppressed worldwide in favour of the magic bullet vaccines. Where are the early treatments when people test positive? Most people who receive any form of treatment before the stage of hospitalization never get to that stage. Yet our advice here? Stay home unless it gets to the stage you can't breathe.
Maybe we'd have less of a strain on NHS if the focus was on prevention of disease progression rather than trying to pour a cup of water on an oil fire once its ablaze."So your solution is to wish the Tories hadn’t decimated the NHS and public health provision over the last 11 years? It’s all very well suggesting solutions that might help if we lived in an alternate reality, but sadly we’re stuck in the one we’ve got. The one people voted for. And in this one, our critically underfunded NHS is on its knees trying to cope with business as usual, let alone a public health crisis; and the only thing that will keep it going in the short time medium term is keeping people out of hospitals, which means mass vaccination. | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
But then they'd lose their clients . Everyone would be twiddling their thumbs
You realise the NHS in the UK isn’t a for profit thing right? So there aren’t clients. There’s literally a budget they stick to and healthcare is provided by the government.
Your not in the USA.
Not actually true. Each NHS trust attracts a payment/tariff per patient seen. In more complicated cases, an uplift on that tariff is paid. New patient tariff is also higher than follow up, There is an annual report that explains in detail how much money has been attracted by each specialty and if the trust is running at a profit or a deficit.
Hospitals are definitely run as businesses!
Is that true to the point that the NHS would suppress better forms of treatment because patients = profit? Treatments are being suppressed worldwide in favour of the magic bullet vaccines. Where are the early treatments when people test positive? Most people who receive any form of treatment before the stage of hospitalization never get to that stage. Yet our advice here? Stay home unless it gets to the stage you can't breathe.
Maybe we'd have less of a strain on NHS if the focus was on prevention of disease progression rather than trying to pour a cup of water on an oil fire once its ablaze.
So your solution is to wish the Tories hadn’t decimated the NHS and public health provision over the last 11 years? It’s all very well suggesting solutions that might help if we lived in an alternate reality, but sadly we’re stuck in the one we’ve got. The one people voted for. And in this one, our critically underfunded NHS is on its knees trying to cope with business as usual, let alone a public health crisis; and the only thing that will keep it going in the short time medium term is keeping people out of hospitals, which means mass vaccination."I'm not saying vaccination is a bad thing, it should be part of the plan. It however clearly isn't the magic bullet it is deemed to be by those ridung their moral high horse on this forum. People are still dying despite having the vaccine. Mostly because by time of hospitisation, you are already playing catchup on a virus that has been decimating your body for 7 days+. Where are the treatments at day one or two, after symptoms start? How about they ease the burden by instead of giving out meal discounts to mcdonalds they campaign to get the nation fitter and eating healthier, highlight the importance of exercise, a balanced diet and maybe take some vitamins. If this had been done early on, we'd have the possibility of a fitter healthier nation, better equipped to fight a virus. After I contracted COVID early on I took a good look at what I was fuelling my body with. How much I ate, drank and slept as well as where I was lacking in vitamins. Maybe we'd be in a better state if others were actively encouraged to do the same. I'm also not saying only unhealthy people catch it and have a bad reaction but it defo makes your odds better and would decrease a lot of the bad outcomes. | |||
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"Please don't copy and paste full articles onto the forum, if the article is on the allowed link list, link to it instead please" To add to this, if the link you find the article on is not allowed, then you can't post it | |||
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"Also, the excuse of get a vaccine cause the nhs is underfunded is a poor one. Maybe instead of building and dismantling hospitals, dishing out dodgy ppe contracts or having piss ups during lockdown, money should be diverted to where its needed." Again, that’s great advice for those people who live in an alternate reality. For us, it’s meaningless. | |||
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"With all these crackpot conspiracy theories Bacofoil's profits must be at an all time high." The wackiest most mental conspiracy theory of all is that the government cares about your health. The mask is the modern day tin foil hat | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
Who'd have thought the people of facebook would be smarter than hundreds of REAL scientists with years of experience in virology and epidemiology why its actually sound advice.. vit c also but hey .. also clever clogs hundreds of doctors and scientists are being silenced but you won't want to hear that will you
Nor will you probably want to support those in the NHS whom are about to lose thier jobs and you probably clapped for
But best save that for Facebook aye love
Well let’s hope that those in the NHS don’t end up having to treat you because you thought “you knew better”
And I bet you clapped for them as well……
"Can someone please explain this outlook whereby someone vaccinated is more entitled to hospital admission than someone unvaccinated (who may have natural covid infection induced immunity vs vaccine induced immunity) Why the superiority complex when a vaccinated person could just as easily be exposing themselves to a greater risk of infection by carrying on normal interactions outside than an unvaccinated person who doesn't actually go anywhere or mix with others We all know about that actively shielding person who didn't step out of their house for months, who only went and caught covid from their home delivered grocery shopping/ driver. Why is there so little sense and sensibility over this? Infected Vaccinated individuals have been shown to carry just as many viral particles as an infected unvaccinated individual so they're not honestly any safer to be mingling with than an unvaccinated person. Where are people getting these grandiose ideas from? A govt report over the summer highlighted the fact that using vaccine status in the absence of antibody status to control movement in society was unfeasible. That makes sense but what is happening/ believed to by the vast majority of those consuming news cycles on a regular basis is not. | |||
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"With all these crackpot conspiracy theories Bacofoil's profits must be at an all time high. The wackiest most mental conspiracy theory of all is that the government cares about your health. The mask is the modern day tin foil hat They walk amongst us." How come the gov never cared about your health before March 2020? Not even curious? Why not? | |||
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"Also, the excuse of get a vaccine cause the nhs is underfunded is a poor one. Maybe instead of building and dismantling hospitals, dishing out dodgy ppe contracts or having piss ups during lockdown, money should be diverted to where its needed. Again, that’s great advice for those people who live in an alternate reality. For us, it’s meaningless." Yes its meaningless to suggest that maybe they should be looking into a better more diverse approach than "shit a new variant. Have a jab that might not even work" You just keep taking your 3 monthly booster and hiding behind the couch praying it works or you aren't one of the unlucky few who it actually hurts | |||
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"Why do ‘anti-vax’ people seem to think the best protection is to be fit and healthy rather than a vaccine? It couldn’t be more obvious that the best protection is to be fit and healthy PLUS a vaccine. If you can’t be fit and healthy for whatever reason, a vaccine should be a priority - and even if you are, it should be a priority. Have you not been paying attention to all the athletes collapsing recently? And every single one of them linked with the jab? I'm not an athlete in any shape or form. But i'm reasonably fit. I certainly don't want a chance of heart attack/respiratory problems when I haven't had any of the above without... It would seem I haven't been paying attention. Which athletes have collapsed with a direct link to a jab? Aguero, Fleck, Erickson, possibly lindelorf (still testing) Leon Taylor (non league) Adama Traore, Riuler de Oliveira Faustino Zielinski. That's just some of them. Even if not directly linked at this moment in time. Do you not think it's a little coincidental how so many are collapsing this year compared to every other year? " Aguero isn’t blaming the jab…. Neither is Erickson (if fact that had been going on as far I remember.. re fabrice muamba and Marc vivien foe to name but 2….fleck is unvaccinated…. People want to see what they want to, to twist cases to suit narratives | |||
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"Are any people who haven't had the vaccination considering booking their 1st one since Omicron? I think I am. The numbers are big! I've watched too much news "Do what's right for you as you've held off for so long. My question is this, if you now go for your 1st vaccine and the powers that be state that people who've had 2 "need' to have the booster because 2 isn't enough will this ultimately mean you would be better covered because you now have a full dose in your system ? | |||
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"With all these crackpot conspiracy theories Bacofoil's profits must be at an all time high. The wackiest most mental conspiracy theory of all is that the government cares about your health. The mask is the modern day tin foil hat They walk amongst us. How come the gov never cared about your health before March 2020? Not even curious? Why not?" I doubt if they were ever bothered since, they just don't want to overload the NHS. | |||
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"Also, the excuse of get a vaccine cause the nhs is underfunded is a poor one. Maybe instead of building and dismantling hospitals, dishing out dodgy ppe contracts or having piss ups during lockdown, money should be diverted to where its needed. Again, that’s great advice for those people who live in an alternate reality. For us, it’s meaningless.Yes its meaningless to suggest that maybe they should be looking into a better more diverse approach than "shit a new variant. Have a jab that might not even work" You just keep taking your 3 monthly booster and hiding behind the couch praying it works or you aren't one of the unlucky few who it actually hurts "Bit weird to suggest it’s people getting jabbed who are scared, when it’s anti-vaxxers who are prey to every bit of tinfoil conspiracy nonsense, as we see in this thread, and are terrified of a tiny injection and a bit of cloth as a consequence!
Anyone with eyes and a brain can observe and understand that this current government is too criminally negligent and inept to preserve public health through a wide spectrum of sensible measures, so we are left with the one they are pinning their hopes on to ‘preserve the economy’, and that’s vaccination.
Fortunately for us that vaccination is proven to reduce the symptoms from catching a virus that can kill healthy individuals, with minimal side effects for the vast majority of people who take it - and that’s the one bit of good luck we’ve had that hasn’t been squandered by our useless government. | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
But then they'd lose their clients . Everyone would be twiddling their thumbs
You realise the NHS in the UK isn’t a for profit thing right? So there aren’t clients. There’s literally a budget they stick to and healthcare is provided by the government.
Your not in the USA.
Not actually true. Each NHS trust attracts a payment/tariff per patient seen. In more complicated cases, an uplift on that tariff is paid. New patient tariff is also higher than follow up, There is an annual report that explains in detail how much money has been attracted by each specialty and if the trust is running at a profit or a deficit.
Hospitals are definitely run as businesses!
Is that true to the point that the NHS would suppress better forms of treatment because patients = profit? Treatments are being suppressed worldwide in favour of the magic bullet vaccines. Where are the early treatments when people test positive? Most people who receive any form of treatment before the stage of hospitalization never get to that stage. Yet our advice here? Stay home unless it gets to the stage you can't breathe.
Maybe we'd have less of a strain on NHS if the focus was on prevention of disease progression rather than trying to pour a cup of water on an oil fire once its ablaze.
So your solution is to wish the Tories hadn’t decimated the NHS and public health provision over the last 11 years? It’s all very well suggesting solutions that might help if we lived in an alternate reality, but sadly we’re stuck in the one we’ve got. The one people voted for. And in this one, our critically underfunded NHS is on its knees trying to cope with business as usual, let alone a public health crisis; and the only thing that will keep it going in the short time medium term is keeping people out of hospitals, which means mass vaccination."Lindelorf trouble breathing 30 year old John Fleck collapsed and siezured 32 year old Sergio Aguero retires due to respiritory problems 33 year old pro dancer Santo Giuliano suffers heart attack 5 days after vaccine 32 year old Olympic Tennis player Joachim Gerard collapses during match with heart problems 19 year old Football player Jalen Leavey dies at campus after the game 23 year old Baseball player Daniel Brito suffers stroke during game 19 year old Football player Tirrell Williams dies following on-field collapse 21 year old Football player Okafor Kelechi dies during training 29 year old Football player Lee Moses dies during training session 15 year old Footballer Stephen Sylvester collapsed and dies during conditioning practice 18 year old Football player Emmanual Antwi dies after collapsing on the field 13 year old Football player Cajetan Chinoyelum Nsofor dies during practice 15 year old Soccer player Moira Claire Arney died during practiceJunior High School Baseball Pitcher Andrew Roseman died suddenly and unexpectedly, no further information given 17 year old Footballer Nickolas Lawrinas died suddenly and unexpectedly, cause given by media, unclear 17 year old Footballer Miquel Lugo collapsed and died during practice 16 year old Football player Devon DuHart mysteriously died in July 2021 16 year old Footballer Ivan Hicks dies of Cardiovascular Disease during Scrimmage 19 year old Footballer Joe Bradshaw dies mysteriously off campus, not conclusion of death 16 year old Football player Drake Geiger collapses and dies during game 15 year old Football player Joshua Ivory collapses and dies during game 19 year old Football player Quandarius Wilburn collapses during practice and later dies 17 year old Football player Dimitri McKee passes out and dies after practice 28 year old Rugby play Tevita Bryce collapses during game from heart attack 29 year old Rugby player Dave Hyde collapses and dies after match 27 year old Baseball player Yusuke Kinoshita collapses and dies during practice 32 year old Champion Speed Skater Kjeld Nuis suffered Pericarditis after the vaccine 24 year old Olympic Cyclist Olivia Podmore dies suddenly and mysteriously in her room and during that week another athlete sprinter Cameron Burell also dies mysteriously 23 year old China Olympics Champion Gilbert Kwemoi collapsed in his home and died on the way to hospital 37-year-old former French professional footballer Franck Berrier dead Germany goalkeeping coach of SV Niederpöring suffers heart attack 24 years Bordeaux pro Samuel Kalu suffers cardiac arrest 25 years old Belgian soccer player Jente Van Genechten suffers cardiac arrest 31 years old Fabrice N'Sakala Besiktas Istanbul collapses on the field 29 years old Pedro Obiang Italian first division after vaccination has myocarditis 30 year old Venezuelan National Marathon Champion Alexaida Guedez dead 29 years old José dos Reis (Luxembourg) collapses on the field and has to be resuscitated Germany C-League Dillenburg a player from Hirzenhain collapses, the game is canceled 16 years old Diego Ferchaud from ASPTT Caen suffers a cardiac arrest Austria player of ASV Baden collapses on the field and has to be revived 16-year-old unnamed football player in Bergamo suffers cardiac arrest 27 years old Belgian amateur soccer player Jens De Smet dead 13-year-old soccer player from the Janus Nova club collapses on the field with cardiac arrest 17 year old soccer player Dylan Rich dies of a double heart attack during a game Player from Birati Club Münster suffers cardiac arrest 24 years old Lucas Surek from BFC Chemie Leipzig suffers from myocarditis 49 years old Ain / France: Frédéric Lartillot succumbs to a heart attack in locker room 45 years old Andrea Astolfi, sporting director of Calcio Orsago dead with no previous illness 22 years old Abou Ali collapses with cardiac arrest during a two-tier game in Denmark 19 years old ice hockey player Sebastiaan Bos dead. Passed away suddenly and unexpectedly 40 years old A half marathon runner collapsed during the race and died a little later Germany Anil Usta from VfB Schwelm breaks on the field with heart problems 33 years old Dimitri Liénard from FC Strasbourg collapses with heart problems There's more since this as well | |||
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"Endless. Do what YOU feel is right FOR YOU. Some people want to take vaccinations and what appears to be a never ending series of 2boosters" for new variants. Others update their anti-virus every day with healthy eating, Vitamins, Fresh Air Walking, good sleep etc. Do NOT be pressurised by The Daily Mail and Media Fear Campaigns. Do what you think is right for you. Healthy people have almost nothing to fear from this virus. " Are you seriously suggesting healthy folk cannot get covid are you related to Donald Trump! My now former girlfriend who was healthy we did lot of running together died in June this year no underlying health conditions. To see the difference to her weight loss wise in just less than 2 week was horrendous. I arranged a video call for her parents who are not tech savvy and we did one her eyes were closed all time and at various times asked if she can hear any of use move your eyes. She did most times nurse said she needs sorting out and so the next day she had passed away. Am so glad her parents and myself were able to say goodbye that way. So if you know more than anyone else about covid that no one else does your comment about healthy folk have nowt to worry is offensive not just to me but anyone here who lost loved one to covid. | |||
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"The effects of omicron appear to be very minor. Probably not worth risking a vaccine for. Better to take vitamin D. If you feel you have caught something take zinc I wish someone would tell the NHS this! It would clear out the ICU's immediately.
But then they'd lose their clients . Everyone would be twiddling their thumbs
You realise the NHS in the UK isn’t a for profit thing right? So there aren’t clients. There’s literally a budget they stick to and healthcare is provided by the government.
Your not in the USA.
Not actually true. Each NHS trust attracts a payment/tariff per patient seen. In more complicated cases, an uplift on that tariff is paid. New patient tariff is also higher than follow up, There is an annual report that explains in detail how much money has been attracted by each specialty and if the trust is running at a profit or a deficit.
Hospitals are definitely run as businesses!
Is that true to the point that the NHS would suppress better forms of treatment because patients = profit? Treatments are being suppressed worldwide in favour of the magic bullet vaccines. Where are the early treatments when people test positive? Most people who receive any form of treatment before the stage of hospitalization never get to that stage. Yet our advice here? Stay home unless it gets to the stage you can't breathe.
Maybe we'd have less of a strain on NHS if the focus was on prevention of disease progression rather than trying to pour a cup of water on an oil fire once its ablaze.
So your solution is to wish the Tories hadn’t decimated the NHS and public health provision over the last 11 years? It’s all very well suggesting solutions that might help if we lived in an alternate reality, but sadly we’re stuck in the one we’ve got. The one people voted for. And in this one, our critically underfunded NHS is on its knees trying to cope with business as usual, let alone a public health crisis; and the only thing that will keep it going in the short time medium term is keeping people out of hospitals, which means mass vaccination.
Lindelorf trouble breathing
30 year old John Fleck collapsed and siezured
32 year old Sergio Aguero retires due to respiritory problems
33 year old pro dancer Santo Giuliano suffers heart attack 5 days after vaccine
32 year old Olympic Tennis player Joachim Gerard collapses during match with heart problems
19 year old Football player Jalen Leavey dies at campus after the game
23 year old Baseball player Daniel Brito suffers stroke during game
19 year old Football player Tirrell Williams dies following on-field collapse
21 year old Football player Okafor Kelechi dies during training
29 year old Football player Lee Moses dies during training session
15 year old Footballer Stephen Sylvester collapsed and dies during conditioning practice
18 year old Football player Emmanual Antwi dies after collapsing on the field
13 year old Football player Cajetan Chinoyelum Nsofor dies during practice
15 year old Soccer player Moira Claire Arney died during practiceJunior High School Baseball Pitcher Andrew Roseman died suddenly and unexpectedly, no further information given
17 year old Footballer Nickolas Lawrinas died suddenly and unexpectedly, cause given by media, unclear
17 year old Footballer Miquel Lugo collapsed and died during practice
16 year old Football player Devon DuHart mysteriously died in July 2021
16 year old Footballer Ivan Hicks dies of Cardiovascular Disease during Scrimmage
19 year old Footballer Joe Bradshaw dies mysteriously off campus, not conclusion of death
16 year old Football player Drake Geiger collapses and dies during game
15 year old Football player Joshua Ivory collapses and dies during game
19 year old Football player Quandarius Wilburn collapses during practice and later dies
17 year old Football player Dimitri McKee passes out and dies after practice
28 year old Rugby play Tevita Bryce collapses during game from heart attack
29 year old Rugby player Dave Hyde collapses and dies after match
27 year old Baseball player Yusuke Kinoshita collapses and dies during practice
32 year old Champion Speed Skater Kjeld Nuis suffered Pericarditis after the vaccine
24 year old Olympic Cyclist Olivia Podmore dies suddenly and mysteriously in her room and during that week another athlete sprinter Cameron Burell also dies mysteriously
23 year old China Olympics Champion Gilbert Kwemoi collapsed in his home and died on the way to hospital
37-year-old former French professional footballer Franck Berrier dead
Germany goalkeeping coach of SV Niederpöring suffers heart attack
24 years Bordeaux pro Samuel Kalu suffers cardiac arrest
25 years old Belgian soccer player Jente Van Genechten suffers cardiac arrest
31 years old Fabrice N'Sakala Besiktas Istanbul collapses on the field
29 years old Pedro Obiang Italian first division after vaccination has myocarditis
30 year old Venezuelan National Marathon Champion Alexaida Guedez dead
29 years old José dos Reis (Luxembourg) collapses on the field and has to be resuscitated
Germany C-League Dillenburg a player from Hirzenhain collapses, the game is canceled
16 years old Diego Ferchaud from ASPTT Caen suffers a cardiac arrest
Austria player of ASV Baden collapses on the field and has to be revived
16-year-old unnamed football player in Bergamo suffers cardiac arrest
27 years old Belgian amateur soccer player Jens De Smet dead
13-year-old soccer player from the Janus Nova club collapses on the field with cardiac arrest
17 year old soccer player Dylan Rich dies of a double heart attack during a game
Player from Birati Club Münster suffers cardiac arrest
24 years old Lucas Surek from BFC Chemie Leipzig suffers from myocarditis
49 years old Ain / France: Frédéric Lartillot succumbs to a heart attack in locker room
45 years old Andrea Astolfi, sporting director of Calcio Orsago dead with no previous illness
22 years old Abou Ali collapses with cardiac arrest during a two-tier game in Denmark
19 years old ice hockey player Sebastiaan Bos dead. Passed away suddenly and unexpectedly
40 years old A half marathon runner collapsed during the race and died a little later
Germany Anil Usta from VfB Schwelm breaks on the field with heart problems
33 years old Dimitri Liénard from FC Strasbourg collapses with heart problems
There's more since this as well "is this from the Israeli list? What is interesting is the number of young people in there ... I don't know the rules across all countries but i can't imagine all are vaccinated. So if this is an unusually high number my first thought is covid. Not vaccines. | |||
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"These forums really are amusing. At the end of the day no one knows the truth and probably never will in any of our lifetimes so people claiming to be experts on either side because they looked something up or are repeating something they saw on the news by someone who has a vested interest in selling fear and vaccines is illogical. No one is being told enough either way to ever begin to claim they know what is going on or are absolutely without a shadow of doubt correct. All that is a certainty is the government don't care about anyone of you. They are lying on some level and hiding facts and manipulating figures to benefit themselves. The only way to prove any vaccine efficiency is if a known survivor could go back in time and do it all over again without it because it seems its hit and miss what your outcome is vaccinated or not. Its just a lot of the time people just get on with things and say 'oh I have a cold' and survive just fine but we don't have stories or figures to show the success of the immune system on the news. And speaking of which, after everything that's gone on I'm lost to why anyone watches and more so believes anything they see on the TV regarding the government. On a personal note I know one person who's died of this illness who was in her 90s and 2 people who've had blood clots. One died, 50s. " Great post | |||
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" What is interesting is the number of young people in there ... I don't know the rules across all countries but i can't imagine all are vaccinated. So if this is an unusually high number my first thought is covid. Not vaccines. " Funny enough the football league released figures for players vaccinated as of dec 1…. 59% of players had been fully vaccinated…. And 25% of players either had not or have no intention of getting vaccinated So bearing that in mind… and this is just England tiers 2-4…. That list is awfully long… But like we said.. people twisting stuff to suit narratives | |||
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" But like we said.. people twisting stuff to suit narratives" Indeed. You've only got to watch any of the governments entertaining tv appearances to realise that | |||
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"SO UNVACCINATED PEOPLE CAN SHOW A NEGATIVE LATERAL FLOW TEST TO GET INTO CLUBS WHICH MEANS THE UNVACCINATED WILL BE PROVING THEY DON'T HAVE THE VIRUS BUT THE VACCINATED WON'T BE. A VACCINATED PERSON IN A CLUB COULD STILL HAVE THE VIRUS & SPREAD THE VIRUS BUT AN UNVACCINATED PERSON COULDN'T. - NOT ABOUT A VIRUS" Exactly this!! Not just clubs either, sports events, gigs, theatres, the list is endless! Un-vaccinated are not the danger! | |||
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