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"Boris just said 780 k cases today. He means 78k. Still a frightening jump!"
They're positive tests - cases - NOT INFECTIONS unless they have received a clinical diagnosis from a doctor.
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"Boris just said 780 k cases today. He means 78k. Still a frightening jump!
They're positive tests - cases - NOT INFECTIONS unless they have received a clinical diagnosis from a doctor.
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How would a doctor clinically diagnose them? Let me guess..a PCR test? |
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"Boris just said 780 k cases today. He means 78k. Still a frightening jump!"
It depends. We don't know how many tests were done.
In Scotland just over 5k cases today. Last week on Wednesday just over 3k. 60k tests Vs 40k tests. Positive tests 9.1% Vs 8.1%...a jump but not frightening especially considering omicron hit Scotland earlier. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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"Boris just said 780 k cases today. He means 78k. Still a frightening jump!
It depends. We don't know how many tests were done.
In Scotland just over 5k cases today. Last week on Wednesday just over 3k. 60k tests Vs 40k tests. Positive tests 9.1% Vs 8.1%...a jump but not frightening especially considering omicron hit Scotland earlier."
I'm pretty sure that argument isn't valid it's 3k to 5k that's a big jump |
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Testing up 15% over last 7 days at 8.7 million, positive cases up 19% over 7 days at 404k.
I don’t think infections have jumped it’s just more people are testing again
One way to look at it is that over 8 million people have tested negative |
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"Boris just said 780 k cases today. He means 78k. Still a frightening jump!
They're positive tests - cases - NOT INFECTIONS unless they have received a clinical diagnosis from a doctor.
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What does the positive test indicate then? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Boris just said 780 k cases today. He means 78k. Still a frightening jump!
They're positive tests - cases - NOT INFECTIONS unless they have received a clinical diagnosis from a doctor.
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This is comedy gold, thank you  |
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"Boris just said 780 k cases today. He means 78k. Still a frightening jump!
It depends. We don't know how many tests were done.
In Scotland just over 5k cases today. Last week on Wednesday just over 3k. 60k tests Vs 40k tests. Positive tests 9.1% Vs 8.1%...a jump but not frightening especially considering omicron hit Scotland earlier.
I'm pretty sure that argument isn't valid it's 3k to 5k that's a big jump"
Yes, 3k to 5k is a big jump but need to understand why more people are getting tested. Could be as simple as people going for tests who wouldn't normally have bothered because if they are positive then they would be outside their 10 day by Christmas.
Also, given omicron has been around a bit longer than first thought, why has the number of cases in Scotland and England jumped massively on the same day? Possibly something to do with the media influences? |
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We can all pick certain stats to suit our statements. Like just mentioning positive tests and no comparison to tests carried out which can cloud it. But I do believe that however myself or anyone else highlights certain figures and omitting others to make their statement look more convincing that come early January it will be difficult to put a positive spin on any figures whichever way you decide to put them unfortunately |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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Wonder how many false negatives and positives there are. Let’s just ignore the accuracy of the tests and the people taking the swabs.
There’s been issues ordering LFTs and booking vaccines and boosters. They need to get it sorted before telling people to start booking them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Boris just said 780 k cases today. He means 78k. Still a frightening jump!
They're positive tests - cases - NOT INFECTIONS unless they have received a clinical diagnosis from a doctor.
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Very true - infections are WAY higher. Roughly 200k a day. |
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"The number is meaningless unless they also publish the number of tests so you can see the proportion of positive to negative tests."
But they are published. And even quoted in this thread. |
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"The number is meaningless unless they also publish the number of tests so you can see the proportion of positive to negative tests.
But they are published. And even quoted in this thread."
I have had numerous negative LFT at home so how do they know unless you inform them every time you take one to add to the positive/negative ratio? |
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"Wonder how many false negatives and positives there are. Let’s just ignore the accuracy of the tests and the people taking the swabs.
There’s been issues ordering LFTs and booking vaccines and boosters. They need to get it sorted before telling people to start booking them. "
Running out of tests and having queues at vaccination stations is a good thing!
It means that people are doing as they are told! It is merely a temporary blip whilst they catch up.
To say the Government should get it sorted without any idea of what this Virus might do next is an unfair statement. |
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"They are telling so many lies they can't remember what the truth is anymore"
So true 
They are doing all they can to panic everyone .....just like the so called fuel crisis a few months back |
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"Wonder how many false negatives and positives there are. Let’s just ignore the accuracy of the tests and the people taking the swabs.
There’s been issues ordering LFTs and booking vaccines and boosters. They need to get it sorted before telling people to start booking them.
Running out of tests and having queues at vaccination stations is a good thing!
It means that people are doing as they are told! It is merely a temporary blip whilst they catch up.
To say the Government should get it sorted without any idea of what this Virus might do next is an unfair statement."
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"The number is meaningless unless they also publish the number of tests so you can see the proportion of positive to negative tests."
Equally poor metric as it doesn’t tell if increased testing is because of increased symptoms occurring. This is why surveillance testing is in place, monitoring positivity rate in the population not just in those tested |
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"Wonder how many false negatives and positives there are. Let’s just ignore the accuracy of the tests and the people taking the swabs.
There’s been issues ordering LFTs and booking vaccines and boosters. They need to get it sorted before telling people to start booking them.
Running out of tests and having queues at vaccination stations is a good thing!
It means that people are doing as they are told! It is merely a temporary blip whilst they catch up.
To say the Government should get it sorted without any idea of what this Virus might do next is an unfair statement.
Jawohl, mein Führer!"
sad that because people disagree with you that imply nazism! I just see that as you have lost all arguments |
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"Wonder how many false negatives and positives there are. Let’s just ignore the accuracy of the tests and the people taking the swabs.
There’s been issues ordering LFTs and booking vaccines and boosters. They need to get it sorted before telling people to start booking them. "
False positives are rare.
good article here
https://www.goodto.com/family/family-news/can-lateral-flow-tests-be-false-positive-or-negative-639805 |
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By *xhib12Man
over a year ago
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"The number is meaningless unless they also publish the number of tests so you can see the proportion of positive to negative tests.
But they are published. And even quoted in this thread. I have had numerous negative LFT at home so how do they know unless you inform them every time you take one to add to the positive/negative ratio?"
Because you're supposed to record the result of your test online. |
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"The number is meaningless unless they also publish the number of tests so you can see the proportion of positive to negative tests.
But they are published. And even quoted in this thread. I have had numerous negative LFT at home so how do they know unless you inform them every time you take one to add to the positive/negative ratio?
Because you're supposed to record the result of your test online."
supposed to or requested to? |
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By *xhib12Man
over a year ago
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"The number is meaningless unless they also publish the number of tests so you can see the proportion of positive to negative tests.
But they are published. And even quoted in this thread. I have had numerous negative LFT at home so how do they know unless you inform them every time you take one to add to the positive/negative ratio?
Because you're supposed to record the result of your test online. supposed to or requested to? "
Just report it, doesn't matter whether it's requested or ordered or any other word you care to use. |
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"The number is meaningless unless they also publish the number of tests so you can see the proportion of positive to negative tests.
But they are published. And even quoted in this thread. I have had numerous negative LFT at home so how do they know unless you inform them every time you take one to add to the positive/negative ratio?
Because you're supposed to record the result of your test online. supposed to or requested to?
Just report it, doesn't matter whether it's requested or ordered or any other word you care to use. "
ok but ordering people to is not the best way! I didn’t know that it was preferred that you record it online if possible. From now on I will. |
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By *xhib12Man
over a year ago
Blyth |
"The number is meaningless unless they also publish the number of tests so you can see the proportion of positive to negative tests.
But they are published. And even quoted in this thread. I have had numerous negative LFT at home so how do they know unless you inform them every time you take one to add to the positive/negative ratio?
Because you're supposed to record the result of your test online. supposed to or requested to?
Just report it, doesn't matter whether it's requested or ordered or any other word you care to use. ok but ordering people to is not the best way! I didn’t know that it was preferred that you record it online if possible. From now on I will. "
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"Boris just said 780 k cases today. He means 78k. Still a frightening jump!
They're positive tests - cases - NOT INFECTIONS unless they have received a clinical diagnosis from a doctor.
What does the positive test indicate then? "
That you have virus on the swab, it doesn't indicate you are sick. Hence why you can test positive for months after you have recovered.
I know people who were tested because our workplace insisted, who never had symptoms, tested positive and never developed symptoms either. Still a case despite them likely never being infectious or sick
Not just one or two either. |
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"Boris just said 780 k cases today. He means 78k. Still a frightening jump!
They're positive tests - cases - NOT INFECTIONS unless they have received a clinical diagnosis from a doctor.
What does the positive test indicate then? That you have virus on the swab, it doesn't indicate you are sick. Hence why you can test positive for months after you have recovered.
I know people who were tested because our workplace insisted, who never had symptoms, tested positive and never developed symptoms either. Still a case despite them likely never being infectious or sick
Not just one or two either."
is it only people who test positive and show symptoms that are infectious? So does that mean If you test positive without symptoms then you are not infectious at all? I actually thought that people showing no symptoms was the problem and unaware that they were and mixing with others? |
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"Boris just said 780 k cases today. He means 78k. Still a frightening jump!
They're positive tests - cases - NOT INFECTIONS unless they have received a clinical diagnosis from a doctor.
What does the positive test indicate then? That you have virus on the swab, it doesn't indicate you are sick. Hence why you can test positive for months after you have recovered.
I know people who were tested because our workplace insisted, who never had symptoms, tested positive and never developed symptoms either. Still a case despite them likely never being infectious or sick
Not just one or two either. is it only people who test positive and show symptoms that are infectious? So does that mean If you test positive without symptoms then you are not infectious at all? I actually thought that people showing no symptoms was the problem and unaware that they were and mixing with others? "
Studies vary on it. Make sense however that someone with less symptoms, likely has a lower viral load and isn't projecting as much virus around. |
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If you test positive, with or without symptoms, you are infected and can pass on the virus to others.
If you have been in contact with an infected person, it can take 3 to 5 days to get any symptoms and then test positive…. But remember, you can be infected without any symptoms and still be infected, and pass that on to others who may become very sick or die.
The current rate of infection ( R number ) is about 3-5 infecting between 3 and 5 people you meet. |
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"If you test positive, with or without symptoms, you are infected and can pass on the virus to others.
If you have been in contact with an infected person, it can take 3 to 5 days to get any symptoms and then test positive…. But remember, you can be infected without any symptoms and still be infected, and pass that on to others who may become very sick or die.
The current rate of infection ( R number ) is about 3-5 infecting between 3 and 5 people you meet. "
I tested positive in every workplace test for more than a month after I returned from my 14 day isolation. Was I still infectious? |
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"If you test positive, with or without symptoms, you are infected and can pass on the virus to others.
If you have been in contact with an infected person, it can take 3 to 5 days to get any symptoms and then test positive…. But remember, you can be infected without any symptoms and still be infected, and pass that on to others who may become very sick or die.
The current rate of infection ( R number ) is about 3-5 infecting between 3 and 5 people you meet. I tested positive in every workplace test for more than a month after I returned from my 14 day isolation. Was I still infectious? "
Did you contract COVID? If so you can still test positive for up to 90:days after infection. That’s not saying you were infectious, because the test can give false positives after an infection.
However, you can still be reinfected ( either with or without symptoms) and pass it on |
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"If you test positive, with or without symptoms, you are infected and can pass on the virus to others.
If you have been in contact with an infected person, it can take 3 to 5 days to get any symptoms and then test positive…. But remember, you can be infected without any symptoms and still be infected, and pass that on to others who may become very sick or die.
The current rate of infection ( R number ) is about 3-5 infecting between 3 and 5 people you meet. I tested positive in every workplace test for more than a month after I returned from my 14 day isolation. Was I still infectious?
Did you contract COVID? If so you can still test positive for up to 90:days after infection. That’s not saying you were infectious, because the test can give false positives after an infection.
However, you can still be reinfected ( either with or without symptoms) and pass it on "
So, a positive test without symptoms does not indicate you are infectious. You just highlighted a scenario where that clearly happens.
Yes I had COVID. I only found out later that testing shouldn't happen for 90 days after. |
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So. A positive test without symptoms (asymptomatic infection) means that you are infectious.
The only advisory is that up to 90 days after an infection you ‘may’ test positive, as the test can give a false positive in that situation.
But do note, that you can become re infected after having COVID, and not have symptoms. That means you are infectious and can pass it on.
So 90 days after infection is an unsafe time to rely on tests |
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"If you test positive, with or without symptoms, you are infected and can pass on the virus to others.
If you have been in contact with an infected person, it can take 3 to 5 days to get any symptoms and then test positive…. But remember, you can be infected without any symptoms and still be infected, and pass that on to others who may become very sick or die.
The current rate of infection ( R number ) is about 3-5 infecting between 3 and 5 people you meet. "
Just make sure the first 5 people you meet after being infected are young fit and healthy. After that you're safe to invite granny round for tea. |
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So the point stands. A positive test with no symptoms does not equal infectious. You highlight a scenario where you clearly can detect virus via pcr test, yet you aren't by current guidelines considered infectious. |
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"Boris just said 780 k cases today. He means 78k. Still a frightening jump!
It depends. We don't know how many tests were done.
In Scotland just over 5k cases today. Last week on Wednesday just over 3k. 60k tests Vs 40k tests. Positive tests 9.1% Vs 8.1%...a jump but not frightening especially considering omicron hit Scotland earlier."
This is what’s so frustrating about how this is being reported. Today there were 1,635,922 tests and 88,376 positive results (5.4%) On 25th October there were 831,377 tests, 46,642 positive results (5.6%) |
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"So the point stands. A positive test with no symptoms does not equal infectious. You highlight a scenario where you clearly can detect virus via pcr test, yet you aren't by current guidelines considered infectious."
You have to bear in mind and understand that the rate of false positive tests after infection are very low ( about 1 in 500,000) but still possible. However the risk of contracting an asymptomatic infection again is much less and in fact more likely with the new variant as it clearly re infects double treble jabbed and those previously infected.
So please do not assume a positive test after infection equates to being not infectious. It is more likely you are and therefore can pass it onto vulnerable people who can and do die. |
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"Boris just said 780 k cases today. He means 78k. Still a frightening jump!
It depends. We don't know how many tests were done.
In Scotland just over 5k cases today. Last week on Wednesday just over 3k. 60k tests Vs 40k tests. Positive tests 9.1% Vs 8.1%...a jump but not frightening especially considering omicron hit Scotland earlier.
This is what’s so frustrating about how this is being reported. Today there were 1,635,922 tests and 88,376 positive results (5.4%) On 25th October there were 831,377 tests, 46,642 positive results (5.6%)"
The most reliable data is from Dr Tim Spectre at the ZOE foundation |
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