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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil. "
There are studies and results for 75% protection after the booster
There is plenty of evidence is south Africa if reinfection with omicron |
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over a year ago
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
There are studies and results for 75% protection after the booster
There is plenty of evidence is south Africa if reinfection with omicron"
And what are is the percentage of protection after catching covid?
Just to add, I've had the booster, which was my choice, and felt was right thing to do, but I haven't seen reinfection numbers from SA. |
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Past studies have shown that prior infection, plus vaccinations, gave the best immunity, compared with just relying on infection driven immunity.
We don't yet fully know how good the immunity is against the O variant from any source - vaccines or different variant induced immunity, the data is only just starting to arrive and understanding is developing.
I'd recommend getting vaccinated, if you haven't been, even if you had an infection before, should you be able to get vaccinated and well enough. |
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
There are studies and results for 75% protection after the booster
There is plenty of evidence is south Africa if reinfection with omicron
And what are is the percentage of protection after catching covid?
Just to add, I've had the booster, which was my choice, and felt was right thing to do, but I haven't seen reinfection numbers from SA."
We will probably gain a much better understanding after further evaluation, in the next couple of weeks. As you have had the booster, you should be in a stronger position, than if you had just had the 2 doses.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Past studies have shown that prior infection, plus vaccinations, gave the best immunity, compared with just relying on infection driven immunity.
We don't yet fully know how good the immunity is against the O variant from any source - vaccines or different variant induced immunity, the data is only just starting to arrive and understanding is developing.
I'd recommend getting vaccinated, if you haven't been, even if you had an infection before, should you be able to get vaccinated and well enough. "
Yes, I do understand that these numbers will just be getting analysed as this is all happening very quick. I have had my booster, and rest of household will be done very soon. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
There are studies and results for 75% protection after the booster
There is plenty of evidence is south Africa if reinfection with omicron
And what are is the percentage of protection after catching covid?
Just to add, I've had the booster, which was my choice, and felt was right thing to do, but I haven't seen reinfection numbers from SA.
We will probably gain a much better understanding after further evaluation, in the next couple of weeks. As you have had the booster, you should be in a stronger position, than if you had just had the 2 doses. "
I've worked through most of the pandemic, working in very close proximity to people with the virus and haven't once tested positive  |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
There are studies and results for 75% protection after the booster
There is plenty of evidence is south Africa if reinfection with omicron
And what are is the percentage of protection after catching covid?
Just to add, I've had the booster, which was my choice, and felt was right thing to do, but I haven't seen reinfection numbers from SA."
There aren't any precise figures but doctors say they have seen a lot of reinfection.
I'd rather have the booster with a measured efficacy than an invisible forcefield that may or may not work but everyone can make their own mind up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'd rather have the booster with a measured efficacy than an invisible forcefield that may or may not work but everyone can make their own mind up."
Measured how? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil. "
Because Google (and the government and their paid experts are the best source of information - no lies told, nothing removed from the t'internet either, ever) |
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil. "
And there are no experts here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
And there are no experts here. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
And there are no experts here. "
No experts maybe, but I'm sure there might be someone more knowledgeable than I. Or some anecdotal stories I guess |
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Natural immunisation deals with the whole live virus and everything to do with it,mRNA vaccines only contain parts of the spike protein. It's not rocket science to see that natural immunity far exceeds any vaccine. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
Because Google (and the government and their paid experts are the best source of information - no lies told, nothing removed from the t'internet either, ever) "
Duckduckgo didn't come up with much better  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
Because Google (and the government and their paid experts are the best source of information - no lies told, nothing removed from the t'internet either, ever)
Duckduckgo didn't come up with much better "
Then you shall have to dig a little deeper, shan't you |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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I am sure an expert will correct me if this is wrong so...
1) Viruses mutate
2) When you catch a certain version/variant of the virus your build natural immunity to THAT version/variant
3) That means you can still catch a different version/variant of that virus if the mutation is significantly different to the one you already had.
THAT is why you get colds and flus throughout your life but never (very rarely?) get the same one twice. |
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
There are studies and results for 75% protection after the booster
There is plenty of evidence is south Africa if reinfection with omicron
And what are is the percentage of protection after catching covid?
Just to add, I've had the booster, which was my choice, and felt was right thing to do, but I haven't seen reinfection numbers from SA.
We will probably gain a much better understanding after further evaluation, in the next couple of weeks. As you have had the booster, you should be in a stronger position, than if you had just had the 2 doses.
I've worked through most of the pandemic, working in very close proximity to people with the virus and haven't once tested positive "
Excellent, you've been fortunate. Personally I'm never ill yet after 18 months of lockdowns, working from home,,, I've never had as many coughs and colds upon re entering the fray. I'd hazard a guess my immune system has took a backward step during all this. I'm double vaxed, boosted and still caught but it just seemed a minor sniffle.
Hope you stay well fella |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"I'd rather have the booster with a measured efficacy than an invisible forcefield that may or may not work but everyone can make their own mind up.
Measured how?"
By challenging the antibodies of volunteers who have had 2 vaccines and 3 vaccines with the omicron virus. I don't believe such a study has been done with people with "natural" immunity. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'd rather have the booster with a measured efficacy than an invisible forcefield that may or may not work but everyone can make their own mind up.
Measured how?
By challenging the antibodies of volunteers who have had 2 vaccines and 3 vaccines with the omicron virus. I don't believe such a study has been done with people with "natural" immunity."
Nah I doubt they've even thought of that in South Africa.
How many people had their antibodies challenged in the study you're referencing? |
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
There are studies and results for 75% protection after the booster
There is plenty of evidence is south Africa if reinfection with omicron
And what are is the percentage of protection after catching covid?
Just to add, I've had the booster, which was my choice, and felt was right thing to do, but I haven't seen reinfection numbers from SA.
There aren't any precise figures but doctors say they have seen a lot of reinfection.
I'd rather have the booster with a measured efficacy than an invisible forcefield that may or may not work but everyone can make their own mind up."
There have been several studies that have shown very mixed findings, for the level of acquired immunity after infection, from 5% to 85% of infected people not developing antibodies. A recent Liu, et al study found around 1/3 didn't develop lasting immunity. This is an issue for anyone who assumes that they will have it and thus could then be safer, etc.
It hints at problems for people getting reinfected, even from the same variant.
Present guidance is to vaccinate through to the booster, even if you had an infection. Your immediate should then be as strong as possible |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
And there are no experts here. "
Actually there are a few virologists who post on these forums.
Winston |
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
And there are no experts here.
Actually there are a few virologists who post on these forums.
Winston"
And surprisingly enough those with a virology education (or indeed any education) are pro vaccination |
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"I thought the problem with those studies is that although easily measurable, immunity isn't all about the antibodies?"
It isn't all about the antibodies, though we're managing to drill down and get better research and data all the time. The antibody aspect issue is just a part of the limitations that are around. As well as that, there appears to be a wide gap too, between the results of some of the studies, though there are explanations and it's useful that data has been collected in multiple countries etc. If you can add detail too, it's helpful |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I thought the problem with those studies is that although easily measurable, immunity isn't all about the antibodies?
It isn't all about the antibodies, though we're managing to drill down and get better research and data all the time. The antibody aspect issue is just a part of the limitations that are around. As well as that, there appears to be a wide gap too, between the results of some of the studies, though there are explanations and it's useful that data has been collected in multiple countries etc. If you can add detail too, it's helpful "
I doubt it would be helpful to be honest. There's enough contradictory, conflicting, confusing stuff as it is.
The contrast between South Africa - younger population, less vaccinated, more (assumed?) natural infection, greater HIV but similar population number to the UK will be interesting though. |
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"I thought the problem with those studies is that although easily measurable, immunity isn't all about the antibodies?
It isn't all about the antibodies, though we're managing to drill down and get better research and data all the time. The antibody aspect issue is just a part of the limitations that are around. As well as that, there appears to be a wide gap too, between the results of some of the studies, though there are explanations and it's useful that data has been collected in multiple countries etc. If you can add detail too, it's helpful
I doubt it would be helpful to be honest. There's enough contradictory, conflicting, confusing stuff as it is.
The contrast between South Africa - younger population, less vaccinated, more (assumed?) natural infection, greater HIV but similar population number to the UK will be interesting though. "
Plus no Sun for the last 3 months so low vitamin D levels in the UK. I'm expecting UK deaths to be far greater than South Africa with Omicron. |
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Plus no Sun for the last 3 months so low vitamin D levels in the UK. I'm expecting UK deaths to be far greater than South Africa with Omicron."
I am constantly surprised by the number of conversations I hear which indicate that many people don't understand that it is midsummer in South Africa right now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Just read this. Isn't entirely reassuring that they have much confidence in vaccine efficacy:
"Sources said the chancellor raised the point in several Covid meetings that a mooted three-month booster regime – more frequent than originally anticipated – could begin to impact on future spending."
(The article wasn't suggesting this would happen but there's obviously consideration that it may) |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking...
How safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales?
All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs.
How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on!
Why is it ok for these vaccines but not others? |
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By *ad66Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking...
How safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales?
All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs.
How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on!
Why is it ok for these vaccines but not others?"
Do you think they really care? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking...
How safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales?
All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs.
How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on!
Why is it ok for these vaccines but not others?
Do you think they really care? "
Yes. Or "they" wouldn't have spent billions developing the vaccine and billions more in grants to keep businesses from going bust.
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil. "
Ultimately, the more exposure you get to a pathogen (real or synthetic) the more refined your body's response will become. |
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"Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking...
How safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales?
All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs.
How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on!
Why is it ok for these vaccines but not others?"
They have undertaken research on the vaccines used as boosters, including for safety and efficacy. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking...
How safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales?
All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs.
How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on!
Why is it ok for these vaccines but not others?
They have undertaken research on the vaccines used as boosters, including for safety and efficacy. "
For multiple doses at varying frequencies? How many doses over what frequency? How is that possible when we have only been administering the vaccines for one year? Can you point to that research please? |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
Ultimately, the more exposure you get to a pathogen (real or synthetic) the more refined your body's response will become. "
Unless you die of course |
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"I've been asking myself this question for a wee while now, and not getting much help from google or other search platforms really.
So could someone on here maybe explain to me whether catching and recovering from covid will give you better protection than the booster? Or will the booster be better than having natural antibodies?
I'm no expert in the matter, and not meaning to play devils advocate, but this doesn't seem to be talked about much. But please can we keep it civil.
Ultimately, the more exposure you get to a pathogen (real or synthetic) the more refined your body's response will become.
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Unless you die of course"
No.... even then your immune system would have improved from where it was before. |
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By *ad66Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking...
How safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales?
All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs.
How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on!
Why is it ok for these vaccines but not others?
Do you think they really care?
Yes. Or "they" wouldn't have spent billions developing the vaccine and billions more in grants to keep businesses from going bust.
Winston"
It's not their money to spend & most of it comes from borrowing money that doesn't really exist but we have to pay it back in tax. |
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"Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking...
How safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales?
All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs.
How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on!
Why is it ok for these vaccines but not others?
Do you think they really care?
Yes. Or "they" wouldn't have spent billions developing the vaccine and billions more in grants to keep businesses from going bust.
Winston
It's not their money to spend & most of it comes from borrowing money that doesn't really exist but we have to pay it back in tax. "
It's good that the vaccines allowed us to regain our freedoms and have the economy reopen, to lessen the losses |
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I have natural immunity having had it last month …. Never had any jabs …. Always natural immunity over anything else … and it was the flu with a cough … 6 weeks later just getting rid of cough I was back at work after 10 days … caught it from a triple jabbed work colleague !!!!!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have all the data for this on screen shots if you want to message me.
Basically
Covid only = 65 % protection
No previous covid inf but double jabbed = 83% protection
Double jabbed and previous covid infection = 94% protection
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have natural immunity having had it last month …. Never had any jabs …. Always natural immunity over anything else … and it was the flu with a cough … 6 weeks later just getting rid of cough I was back at work after 10 days … caught it from a triple jabbed work colleague !!!!!!!! "
Not everyone who has covid and recovers has natural immunity.
1 in 5 people don't get any antibodies. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I have natural immunity having had it last month …. Never had any jabs …. Always natural immunity over anything else … and it was the flu with a cough … 6 weeks later just getting rid of cough I was back at work after 10 days … caught it from a triple jabbed work colleague !!!!!!!! "
Hate to break it to you but your immunity will be against the virus variant you were ill with. Because viruses mutate it means you could still catch Covid again.
That is why we catch colds and Flu throughout our lives. We pretty much never catch the same cold or Flu we had before, we catch a different one.
If the mutation is only minor then the body still recognises it and can fight it. If the mutation is significantly different to the variant you had before, the body struggles to deal with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking...
How safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales?
All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs.
How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on!
Why is it ok for these vaccines but not others?
Do you think they really care?
Yes. Or "they" wouldn't have spent billions developing the vaccine and billions more in grants to keep businesses from going bust.
Winston
It's not their money to spend & most of it comes from borrowing money that doesn't really exist but we have to pay it back in tax. "
Seems a strange counter argument.
Would you rather that money wasn't spent on developing the vaccines and keeping businesses running?
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Not an expert... But have seen a paper (I think based on Israeli data) that shows that recivered are less likely to catch it in the future .... But .... I don't know how well this can be extended given variants.
I've also seen something that says c 30pc of recovered people don't have antibodies. Not dure if this means you are at risk as someone who never had it.
Recovered and vaccinated was the highest protection.
I suspect that saying "I had it" won't be enough for passports etc as it's challenging to record when you had it and with which variants. For s population of almost 70m any approach needs to be workable. |
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