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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It's been reported that a man in New Zealand received "up to 10" doses of COVID vaccines in one day after being paid by those not wishing to take it to have it on their behalf so they can bypass restrictions.
Unfortunately can see this becoming a common occurrence  Unless we start doing things like bringing ID to appointments? |
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"I brought my passport to my vaccine appointment.
Were you asked for it? I only had to show my vaccine record on the NHS app. "
I offered it before they had a chance to ask, because there'd been speculation about this kind of thing going on 
They did ask for my address and GP. |
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do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you. |
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you. "
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you. "
And I believe there are people who will steal a car for you if you pay them, there are also paid killers which fall in much the same category. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you.
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps."
When we have laws that allow diplomatic immunity, to stop people getting punished by the law, then nothing would surprise me. |
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you.
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps."
fines don't deter some people |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you.
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps.
When we have laws that allow diplomatic immunity, to stop people getting punished by the law, then nothing would surprise me."
Same for having people in power who blatantly commit treason and aren't held accountable  |
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you.
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps.
When we have laws that allow diplomatic immunity, to stop people getting punished by the law, then nothing would surprise me.
Same for having people in power who blatantly commit treason and aren't held accountable "
I know boris is a bit crap sometimes but treason? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you.
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps."
It's not even just the unlawful aspect of it though. The article didn't say whether this man's "clients" were aware he was also being paid by others, but if they did that makes it SO much worse. Imagine putting someone else's health in danger because you want to be able to go to dinner with a bit less hassle. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you.
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps.
When we have laws that allow diplomatic immunity, to stop people getting punished by the law, then nothing would surprise me.
Same for having people in power who blatantly commit treason and aren't held accountable
I know boris is a bit crap sometimes but treason?"
Sorry, did I name names? |
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you.
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps.
When we have laws that allow diplomatic immunity, to stop people getting punished by the law, then nothing would surprise me.
Same for having people in power who blatantly commit treason and aren't held accountable
I know boris is a bit crap sometimes but treason?
Sorry, did I name names? "
You didn't but he is in power and can't even remotely think of anyone committing treason. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you.
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps.
It's not even just the unlawful aspect of it though. The article didn't say whether this man's "clients" were aware he was also being paid by others, but if they did that makes it SO much worse. Imagine putting someone else's health in danger because you want to be able to go to dinner with a bit less hassle. "
Which part of putting someone else's health in danger is upsetting you?
The fact that a non vaccinated person claims to be vaccinated and mingles like a vaccinated person?
The possibility that one person is taking a massive overdose of "vaccine" for payment on behalf of the person then benefitting of the vaxxed status and transmitting the bejeezus to the rest of the population?
Or the fact that those administering the vaccine aren't doing their job properly and making sure they have the person in front of them they think they have? I'd think they have a legal and ethical obligation to do so, wouldn't you?
The onus IS on the person administering the medical treatment - especially if it is a patient they are unfamiliar with!!! They have to make sure that they have advised a patient in full for informed consent (not that anyone who has actually taken the jab has given informed consent - but that's an entirely different topic ) |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you.
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps.
It's not even just the unlawful aspect of it though. The article didn't say whether this man's "clients" were aware he was also being paid by others, but if they did that makes it SO much worse. Imagine putting someone else's health in danger because you want to be able to go to dinner with a bit less hassle.
Which part of putting someone else's health in danger is upsetting you?
The fact that a non vaccinated person claims to be vaccinated and mingles like a vaccinated person?
The possibility that one person is taking a massive overdose of "vaccine" for payment on behalf of the person then benefitting of the vaxxed status and transmitting the bejeezus to the rest of the population?
Or the fact that those administering the vaccine aren't doing their job properly and making sure they have the person in front of them they think they have? I'd think they have a legal and ethical obligation to do so, wouldn't you?
The onus IS on the person administering the medical treatment - especially if it is a patient they are unfamiliar with!!! They have to make sure that they have advised a patient in full for informed consent (not that anyone who has actually taken the jab has given informed consent - but that's an entirely different topic )"
Medical professionals rely on good faith and patients telling them true and accurate information. When was the last time you were a) required to hand in ID when getting treated, or b) questioned about your symptoms by a suspicious doctor? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've had three jabs at three different vaccination centers and only ever been asked name and DoB.
Didn't see the point in taking and offering up a passport when nobody wanted to see it because I knew that I was who I said I was. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you.
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps.
It's not even just the unlawful aspect of it though. The article didn't say whether this man's "clients" were aware he was also being paid by others, but if they did that makes it SO much worse. Imagine putting someone else's health in danger because you want to be able to go to dinner with a bit less hassle.
Which part of putting someone else's health in danger is upsetting you?
The fact that a non vaccinated person claims to be vaccinated and mingles like a vaccinated person?
The possibility that one person is taking a massive overdose of "vaccine" for payment on behalf of the person then benefitting of the vaxxed status and transmitting the bejeezus to the rest of the population?
Or the fact that those administering the vaccine aren't doing their job properly and making sure they have the person in front of them they think they have? I'd think they have a legal and ethical obligation to do so, wouldn't you?
The onus IS on the person administering the medical treatment - especially if it is a patient they are unfamiliar with!!! They have to make sure that they have advised a patient in full for informed consent (not that anyone who has actually taken the jab has given informed consent - but that's an entirely different topic )
Medical professionals rely on good faith and patients telling them true and accurate information. When was the last time you were a) required to hand in ID when getting treated, or b) questioned about your symptoms by a suspicious doctor? "
It's one thing when you're dealing with your GP or a clinic of GPs you regularly attend, entirely a different thing for vaccination clinics where the abuse of the system has to be anticipated!!! Shame on any health care practitioner in a walk-in clinic who doesn't ask for ID, therefore cannot possibly be getting informed consent - because if they haven't asked for ID, anyone could present to them - this also goes for minors getting around to clinics without their parents consent!!!
These kind of healthcare professionals deserve to be punished for negligence under the full extent of the law! |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you.
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps.
When we have laws that allow diplomatic immunity, to stop people getting punished by the law, then nothing would surprise me.
Same for having people in power who blatantly commit treason and aren't held accountable "
So boris killed the DOE then ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you.
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps.
It's not even just the unlawful aspect of it though. The article didn't say whether this man's "clients" were aware he was also being paid by others, but if they did that makes it SO much worse. Imagine putting someone else's health in danger because you want to be able to go to dinner with a bit less hassle.
Which part of putting someone else's health in danger is upsetting you?
The fact that a non vaccinated person claims to be vaccinated and mingles like a vaccinated person?
The possibility that one person is taking a massive overdose of "vaccine" for payment on behalf of the person then benefitting of the vaxxed status and transmitting the bejeezus to the rest of the population?
Or the fact that those administering the vaccine aren't doing their job properly and making sure they have the person in front of them they think they have? I'd think they have a legal and ethical obligation to do so, wouldn't you?
The onus IS on the person administering the medical treatment - especially if it is a patient they are unfamiliar with!!! They have to make sure that they have advised a patient in full for informed consent (not that anyone who has actually taken the jab has given informed consent - but that's an entirely different topic )
Medical professionals rely on good faith and patients telling them true and accurate information. When was the last time you were a) required to hand in ID when getting treated, or b) questioned about your symptoms by a suspicious doctor?
It's one thing when you're dealing with your GP or a clinic of GPs you regularly attend, entirely a different thing for vaccination clinics where the abuse of the system has to be anticipated!!! Shame on any health care practitioner in a walk-in clinic who doesn't ask for ID, therefore cannot possibly be getting informed consent - because if they haven't asked for ID, anyone could present to them - this also goes for minors getting around to clinics without their parents consent!!!
These kind of healthcare professionals deserve to be punished for negligence under the full extent of the law!"
So you're telling me that when you've been to A&E you've been asked for legal documents proving your identity? |
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"Jabs or covid passports dont stop people spreading or getting covid "
True, but the scientific evidence is that vaccinated people are far less likely to require hospital treatment than unvacvinated.
As a result, whilst those needing hospitalisation may not die (hooray!) others, with other life threatening complaints, will have died whilst the unvaccinated covid person is treated in an ICU bed they could have occupied.
Put another way, "Frank" (54) father of 3, died on a gurney in a hospital corridor from heart failure whilst "Tyler" (32) single lay in an ICU bed recovering from Covid.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Which part of putting someone else's health in danger is upsetting you?
The fact that a non vaccinated person claims to be vaccinated and mingles like a vaccinated person?
The possibility that one person is taking a massive overdose of "vaccine" for payment on behalf of the person then benefitting of the vaxxed status and transmitting the bejeezus to the rest of the population?
Or the fact that those administering the vaccine aren't doing their job properly and making sure they have the person in front of them they think they have? I'd think they have a legal and ethical obligation to do so, wouldn't you?
The onus IS on the person administering the medical treatment - especially if it is a patient they are unfamiliar with!!! They have to make sure that they have advised a patient in full for informed consent (not that anyone who has actually taken the jab has given informed consent - but that's an entirely different topic )
Medical professionals rely on good faith and patients telling them true and accurate information. When was the last time you were a) required to hand in ID when getting treated, or b) questioned about your symptoms by a suspicious doctor?
It's one thing when you're dealing with your GP or a clinic of GPs you regularly attend, entirely a different thing for vaccination clinics where the abuse of the system has to be anticipated!!! Shame on any health care practitioner in a walk-in clinic who doesn't ask for ID, therefore cannot possibly be getting informed consent - because if they haven't asked for ID, anyone could present to them - this also goes for minors getting around to clinics without their parents consent!!!
These kind of healthcare professionals deserve to be punished for negligence under the full extent of the law!
So you're telling me that when you've been to A&E you've been asked for legal documents proving your identity? "
 note I specifically mentioned walk-in vaccination clinics but you have to of course try and twist my words, don't you? I doubt they handle too many accidents and emergencies unrelated to what they're injecting there and then.
Obviously if you're being collected in an ambulance bleeding out at the scene of a car crash or presenting in A&E with something needing immediate care where time is of the essence, but where there is a reception for form filling and no time pressure where life and death situations are concerned, ID can be presented, no?
But, yes, I believe presenting ID should be required *where possible* - in other words, in vaccination clinics for absolute definite.
Not sure what the law is, do you have to carry ID with you? I know countries where you do and it's an offence not to.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Jabs or covid passports dont stop people spreading or getting covid
True, but the scientific evidence is that vaccinated people are far less likely to require hospital treatment than unvacvinated.
As a result, whilst those needing hospitalisation may not die (hooray!) others, with other life threatening complaints, will have died whilst the unvaccinated covid person is treated in an ICU bed they could have occupied.
Put another way, "Frank" (54) father of 3, died on a gurney in a hospital corridor from heart failure whilst "Tyler" (32) single lay in an ICU bed recovering from Covid.
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Poor Frank suffered with adverse reactions from his jab. There'll be many more Frank's in future.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Which part of putting someone else's health in danger is upsetting you?
The fact that a non vaccinated person claims to be vaccinated and mingles like a vaccinated person?
The possibility that one person is taking a massive overdose of "vaccine" for payment on behalf of the person then benefitting of the vaxxed status and transmitting the bejeezus to the rest of the population?
Or the fact that those administering the vaccine aren't doing their job properly and making sure they have the person in front of them they think they have? I'd think they have a legal and ethical obligation to do so, wouldn't you?
The onus IS on the person administering the medical treatment - especially if it is a patient they are unfamiliar with!!! They have to make sure that they have advised a patient in full for informed consent (not that anyone who has actually taken the jab has given informed consent - but that's an entirely different topic )
Medical professionals rely on good faith and patients telling them true and accurate information. When was the last time you were a) required to hand in ID when getting treated, or b) questioned about your symptoms by a suspicious doctor?
It's one thing when you're dealing with your GP or a clinic of GPs you regularly attend, entirely a different thing for vaccination clinics where the abuse of the system has to be anticipated!!! Shame on any health care practitioner in a walk-in clinic who doesn't ask for ID, therefore cannot possibly be getting informed consent - because if they haven't asked for ID, anyone could present to them - this also goes for minors getting around to clinics without their parents consent!!!
These kind of healthcare professionals deserve to be punished for negligence under the full extent of the law!
So you're telling me that when you've been to A&E you've been asked for legal documents proving your identity?
note I specifically mentioned walk-in vaccination clinics but you have to of course try and twist my words, don't you? I doubt they handle too many accidents and emergencies unrelated to what they're injecting there and then.
Obviously if you're being collected in an ambulance bleeding out at the scene of a car crash or presenting in A&E with something needing immediate care where time is of the essence, but where there is a reception for form filling and no time pressure where life and death situations are concerned, ID can be presented, no?
But, yes, I believe presenting ID should be required *where possible* - in other words, in vaccination clinics for absolute definite.
Not sure what the law is, do you have to carry ID with you? I know countries where you do and it's an offence not to.
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Well time is of the essence seeing as they are aiming for 1m jabs per day.
Anyway my question was around whether bringing IDs to appointments could be a measure of preventing anyone being jabbed on another's behalf, which I think you've more than answered  |
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"Jabs or covid passports dont stop people spreading or getting covid
True, but the scientific evidence is that vaccinated people are far less likely to require hospital treatment than unvacvinated.
As a result, whilst those needing hospitalisation may not die (hooray!) others, with other life threatening complaints, will have died whilst the unvaccinated covid person is treated in an ICU bed they could have occupied.
Put another way, "Frank" (54) father of 3, died on a gurney in a hospital corridor from heart failure whilst "Tyler" (32) single lay in an ICU bed recovering from Covid.
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It's a good anecdote. Have you seen how many of our over 100k beds are occupied by patients with covid? (about 7‰) And of those how many are unvaccinated? Or vaccinated but over 6 months ago? Or vaccinated but it didn't work for them...or vaccinated but smoke or drink or are morbidly obese or....
*Not disputing by the way the fact that current vax protection does prevent serious illness in many people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Which part of putting someone else's health in danger is upsetting you?
The fact that a non vaccinated person claims to be vaccinated and mingles like a vaccinated person?
The possibility that one person is taking a massive overdose of "vaccine" for payment on behalf of the person then benefitting of the vaxxed status and transmitting the bejeezus to the rest of the population?
Or the fact that those administering the vaccine aren't doing their job properly and making sure they have the person in front of them they think they have? I'd think they have a legal and ethical obligation to do so, wouldn't you?
The onus IS on the person administering the medical treatment - especially if it is a patient they are unfamiliar with!!! They have to make sure that they have advised a patient in full for informed consent (not that anyone who has actually taken the jab has given informed consent - but that's an entirely different topic )
Medical professionals rely on good faith and patients telling them true and accurate information. When was the last time you were a) required to hand in ID when getting treated, or b) questioned about your symptoms by a suspicious doctor?
It's one thing when you're dealing with your GP or a clinic of GPs you regularly attend, entirely a different thing for vaccination clinics where the abuse of the system has to be anticipated!!! Shame on any health care practitioner in a walk-in clinic who doesn't ask for ID, therefore cannot possibly be getting informed consent - because if they haven't asked for ID, anyone could present to them - this also goes for minors getting around to clinics without their parents consent!!!
These kind of healthcare professionals deserve to be punished for negligence under the full extent of the law!
So you're telling me that when you've been to A&E you've been asked for legal documents proving your identity?
note I specifically mentioned walk-in vaccination clinics but you have to of course try and twist my words, don't you? I doubt they handle too many accidents and emergencies unrelated to what they're injecting there and then.
Obviously if you're being collected in an ambulance bleeding out at the scene of a car crash or presenting in A&E with something needing immediate care where time is of the essence, but where there is a reception for form filling and no time pressure where life and death situations are concerned, ID can be presented, no?
But, yes, I believe presenting ID should be required *where possible* - in other words, in vaccination clinics for absolute definite.
Not sure what the law is, do you have to carry ID with you? I know countries where you do and it's an offence not to.
Well time is of the essence seeing as they are aiming for 1m jabs per day.
Anyway my question was around whether bringing IDs to appointments could be a measure of preventing anyone being jabbed on another's behalf, which I think you've more than answered "
Yeah, Boris and the members of the WEF are laughing at how stupid people are and how successful their plan is. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"do you think it'll become common?
There will always be a market for this sort of thing, people to sit a driving test, write essays etc. If something becomes almost mandatory or needs some kind of test people will pop up to offer to do it for you.
If they are willing to risk a £10,000 fine each time perhaps.
When we have laws that allow diplomatic immunity, to stop people getting punished by the law, then nothing would surprise me.
Same for having people in power who blatantly commit treason and aren't held accountable
I know boris is a bit crap sometimes but treason?"
“Boris is a bit crap sometimes” that has to win today’s understatement of the year award! |
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"Jabs or covid passports dont stop people spreading or getting covid
True, but the scientific evidence is that vaccinated people are far less likely to require hospital treatment than unvacvinated.
As a result, whilst those needing hospitalisation may not die (hooray!) others, with other life threatening complaints, will have died whilst the unvaccinated covid person is treated in an ICU bed they could have occupied.
Put another way, "Frank" (54) father of 3, died on a gurney in a hospital corridor from heart failure whilst "Tyler" (32) single lay in an ICU bed recovering from Covid.
It's a good anecdote. Have you seen how many of our over 100k beds are occupied by patients with covid? (about 7‰) And of those how many are unvaccinated? Or vaccinated but over 6 months ago? Or vaccinated but it didn't work for them...or vaccinated but smoke or drink or are morbidly obese or....
*Not disputing by the way the fact that current vax protection does prevent serious illness in many people. "
But we are talking about critical care beds being taken up by Covid patients and from what I’ve seen that’s about 6, 000. The 100,000 is all beds or are you suggesting that Covid patients be put on psychiatric, cardiac or maternity wards. Your 7% looks very different if you allocate Covid patients to those wards which cater for them. |
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"Jabs or covid passports dont stop people spreading or getting covid
True, but the scientific evidence is that vaccinated people are far less likely to require hospital treatment than unvacvinated.
As a result, whilst those needing hospitalisation may not die (hooray!) others, with other life threatening complaints, will have died whilst the unvaccinated covid person is treated in an ICU bed they could have occupied.
Put another way, "Frank" (54) father of 3, died on a gurney in a hospital corridor from heart failure whilst "Tyler" (32) single lay in an ICU bed recovering from Covid.
It's a good anecdote. Have you seen how many of our over 100k beds are occupied by patients with covid? (about 7‰) And of those how many are unvaccinated? Or vaccinated but over 6 months ago? Or vaccinated but it didn't work for them...or vaccinated but smoke or drink or are morbidly obese or....
*Not disputing by the way the fact that current vax protection does prevent serious illness in many people.
But we are talking about critical care beds being taken up by Covid patients and from what I’ve seen that’s about 6, 000. The 100,000 is all beds or are you suggesting that Covid patients be put on psychiatric, cardiac or maternity wards. Your 7% looks very different if you allocate Covid patients to those wards which cater for them."
Well I'm very very far from an expert in this so defer to others who are. All I do is look at the numbers on the ons and gov websites, and sometimes suggest an alternative view which matches those facts but mostly to stand up for those being bullied.
Which today show 7392 patients in hospital with covid of which 901 are in ventilation beds. Not sure if that's the same or different to critical care beds ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's been reported that a man in New Zealand received "up to 10" doses of COVID vaccines in one day after being paid by those not wishing to take it to have it on their behalf so they can bypass restrictions.
Unfortunately can see this becoming a common occurrence Unless we start doing things like bringing ID to appointments? "
A common occurrence? Not likely at all |
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By *ldaCouple
over a year ago
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What is a much more common occurrence is people using screenshots of another’s vaccine status and showing those to gain entry. Unless staff check Id against what shows on your phone they get away with it. A lot |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"What is a much more common occurrence is people using screenshots of another’s vaccine status and showing those to gain entry. Unless staff check Id against what shows on your phone they get away with it. A lot"
Also the problem is that some venue owners are also anti-vaxxers and/or care more about the revenue |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's been reported that a man in New Zealand received "up to 10" doses of COVID vaccines in one day after being paid by those not wishing to take it to have it on their behalf so they can bypass restrictions.
Unfortunately can see this becoming a common occurrence Unless we start doing things like bringing ID to appointments? "
Thankfully 99.9% of the human race are level headed and will do what they consider to be appropriate in the circumstances they encounter.
The op has honed in the minute portion of the populous that would behave in such an irresponsible manner.
It’s a complete non issue. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So by rights he should never catch covid "
the Vaccine does not stop you catching COVID-19! It educates your body on how to fight the Virus when you do catch it and therefore, you should be less ill. |
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