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"I think we should have a conversation about locking up Boris and his cronies before we talk about locking up anyone else " 
Let's raise the removal of PM, before we get to discussion of things that he may only be raising to deflect from his atrocious judgement and management of this dark period in us history - England, specifically | |||
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"Mandatory vaccinations are a definite possibility in the UK. After the PM says there needs to be a 'national conversation' then you can't deny the possibility My question to those that support such measures would be this Would you support physical force to administer vaccines to people. And if not why not If you truly believe the communal good outweighs individual rights I want to now why you baulk at using force for 'the greater good' Do you believe financially punitive level's is more morally acceptable? Pushing people into debt doesn't bother I assume How about imprisonment? Again, would you rather put people into the criminal justice system. And if you did, how would you protect the rights of the vaccinated prisoners? Surely it's not right to endanger them by forcing them into close proximity with those typhoid mary types. (I wonder if you think separate prisons should be built for the unvaxxed? Will you say they should be out in special camps) Most people talking seek to completely dismiss physical violence as a way to force a shot but if you truly think it's the right thing to do, why?" What he ACTUALLY said was that "if" the uptake of boosters was not enough, then there would need to be a "national conversation" about what happens next. | |||
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"I read earlyer that i think Austri are fining those unvaccinated monthly until they are jabbed, but then Austria doesnt have the best human rights record, i may be wrong about the country tho, but its been proven that the vax does to a point work, so there is some merit in the idea, but then there is the rights issue aswell, hard one to call, and thankfully our gov dont have the balls to pull such a move, btw im vaccinated" It’s a good job the court of human rights have already established a precedent for this then and said it’s not against anyone’s human rights. | |||
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"It looks like the anti-vaxers are going to get a natural vaccination via Omicron anyway, if it as transmittable as they say. So no need to lock them up, for now. "Given how mild the symptoms seem to be for the majority, I don't think they'll care. | |||
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"It looks like the anti-vaxers are going to get a natural vaccination via Omicron anyway, if it as transmittable as they say. So no need to lock them up, for now. "Many “antivaxers” already had Covid, with very mild or no symptoms at all. Why do you think so many people are protesting against the not so efficient, almost forced vaccination? | |||
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"Forced vaccinations.. won't happen..if it did..then I can imagine it'd kick off some serious civil unrest..the likes of which we've never seen.." I can't see there being that much civil unrest the proportion of the adult population this will effect is small and getting smaller all the time .Forced vaccinations will never happen in this country anyway. | |||
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"All those refusing to get.vaccinated will change tune when they want to go away and the country visiting won't let you in without being double vaxxed.. Ask people to do it. Dont force.. But, u want to drink in my pub. Get double vaxxed. You want to eat in my restaurant. Get double vaxxed. " Plenty of countries do let people in regardless of the vaccine. And the hospitality industry are overwhelmingly against passports. | |||
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"All those refusing to get.vaccinated will change tune when they want to go away and the country visiting won't let you in without being double vaxxed.. Ask people to do it. Dont force.. But, u want to drink in my pub. Get double vaxxed. You want to eat in my restaurant. Get double vaxxed. " There needs to be safe places for the vaccinated to go about there lawful business and also for the ones who have had covid and natural immunity from the virus but are not vaxed. | |||
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"And the hospitality industry are overwhelmingly against passports." Of course they are. Profit before People. That's Capitalism 101. | |||
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"Mandatory vaccinations are a definite possibility in the UK. After the PM says there needs to be a 'national conversation' then you can't deny the possibility My question to those that support such measures would be this Would you support physical force to administer vaccines to people. And if not why not If you truly believe the communal good outweighs individual rights I want to now why you baulk at using force for 'the greater good' Do you believe financially punitive level's is more morally acceptable? Pushing people into debt doesn't bother I assume How about imprisonment? Again, would you rather put people into the criminal justice system. And if you did, how would you protect the rights of the vaccinated prisoners? Surely it's not right to endanger them by forcing them into close proximity with those typhoid mary types. (I wonder if you think separate prisons should be built for the unvaxxed? Will you say they should be out in special camps) Most people talking seek to completely dismiss physical violence as a way to force a shot but if you truly think it's the right thing to do, why?" I wonder if this would be followed by compulsory work outs for the over waight to save the NHS on the obesity epidemic  | |||
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"I wonder if this would be followed by compulsory work outs for the over weight (sic) to save the NHS on the obesity epidemic "That's a straw man logical fallacy. Obesity is not epidemiological virus. | |||
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"Talking about social unrest, let’s see what the outcome will be in Austria and Germany. 30% of unvaccinated is a big slice of a nation plus they tend to be younger and active. Add to that another significant percentage of people who got the vaccine but didn’t want it in the first place, they got it for work reasons, travelling etc. And then you have the vaccinated who changed sides after the latest development of the virus and vaccine , not quite antivaxers but had enough of magic bullets which don’t seem to fix anything. Add to this mix a small percentage of anarchists or people who just love trashing things without any reason and before you know you have a serious percentage of society ready to fight for human rights and personal freedoms." Basic human rights have been trashed already. People have been terrified, co-erced and manipulated into taking the shot. That is not informed consent for taking a medical treatment. Any decent legal professional will tell you that. | |||
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"All those refusing to get.vaccinated will change tune when they want to go away and the country visiting won't let you in without being double vaxxed.. Ask people to do it. Dont force.. But, u want to drink in my pub. Get double vaxxed. You want to eat in my restaurant. Get double vaxxed. " That's called co-ercion and manipulation and something else unmentionable. "Reward" for being a good little citizen and you're allowed in restaurants again - but it's not communism we're heading for at all. And the Nuremberg code has not been violated at all, nooooo. | |||
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"Talking about social unrest, let’s see what the outcome will be in Austria and Germany. 30% of unvaccinated is a big slice of a nation plus they tend to be younger and active. Add to that another significant percentage of people who got the vaccine but didn’t want it in the first place, they got it for work reasons, travelling etc. And then you have the vaccinated who changed sides after the latest development of the virus and vaccine , not quite antivaxers but had enough of magic bullets which don’t seem to fix anything. Add to this mix a small percentage of anarchists or people who just love trashing things without any reason and before you know you have a serious percentage of society ready to fight for human rights and personal freedoms. Basic human rights have been trashed already. People have been terrified, co-erced and manipulated into taking the shot. That is not informed consent for taking a medical treatment. Any decent legal professional will tell you that." Unfortunately, I have to agree with you! | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations?" In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? | |||
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"I wonder if this would be followed by compulsory work outs for the over weight (sic) to save the NHS on the obesity epidemic
That's a straw man logical fallacy.
Obesity is not epidemiological virus."It is however more of a strain on health services than anything else. Isn't all this about "save the nhs" | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly?" Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas  a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother "How can you people not see the psychological warfare, the propaganda, the manipulation, lies and deceit you've been exposed to for the last 21 months? The drip drip feeding and suggestion that government and media have strategically done to get to exactly the point where we are now? How can you not see that every measure was harmful and counterproductive? How can you not see that your own pathetic arguments repeatedly contradict themselves? But most of all, how are you people so blind in how this whole fucking mess we're in is and can be compared to what happened in 1930s Germany and continues to unfold like it? Have you people heard the speeches that leaders like Mitterrand, the Israeli president, the Canadian premier are making, or the like of Ursula van der Leyen? Like really heard them, listened to them - with what I am saying here in mind? The tactic used of "divide and conquer"! Do you have any fucking idea what the possible long term ramifications are of the vaccine that may not have been reported yet - and people are thinking about MANDATING a treatment where we have NO LONG TERM FUCKING DATA!!! They want to inject 7 BILLION people with this shit - REPEATEDLY?! Where in their very own words children are not at risk, 80% of the population are asymptomatic (biggest crock of bull for a Coronavirus but hey) or have the sniffles?! And they want to *possibly* force inject, or penalise with fines or imprison in internment camps perfectly HEALTHY PEOPLE because they are practicing their BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to bodily autonomy?! Have you any idea what that could mean if things go wrong and they're not the magic bullet they claim to be because they might cause some deteriorative neurological disorder down the line?! And sure let's keep ignoring the data of reported injuries. Has anybody gone and followed up on the amount of deaths, the amount of long term damage. You all talk about your sick and elderly relatives for whom there are SUCCESSFUL TREATMENTS available which are suppressed to DRIVE the VACCINATION PROCESS!!! Who gives a fucking shit about these people who's lives have been forever altered? You laugh at us - sure, it's just a needle! IT'S NOT JUST A FUCKING NEEDLE! STOP being so fucking patronising!!! The amount of "infections" reported daily are NOT infections. They are results from a PCR test which I will repeat again is NOT a diagnostic tool as it CANNOT differentiate if the viral material detected is virulent and infectious or dead remnants from an old, long gone infection or - due to the amplification process - contamination may very well be found!!! If you people actually believe you're sick when you have no symptoms - I feel sorry for you and extra sorry for the likes of us because there are dark, dark times ahead of us. | |||
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"All those refusing to get.vaccinated will change tune when they want to go away and the country visiting won't let you in without being double vaxxed.. Ask people to do it. Dont force.. But, u want to drink in my pub. Get double vaxxed. You want to eat in my restaurant. Get double vaxxed. There needs to be safe places for the vaccinated to go about there lawful business and also for the ones who have had covid and natural immunity from the virus but are not vaxed. "This argument makes no sense. Does the vaccine not protect you? | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother
How can you people not see the psychological warfare, the propaganda, the manipulation, lies and deceit you've been exposed to for the last 21 months? The drip drip feeding and suggestion that government and media have strategically done to get to exactly the point where we are now?
How can you not see that every measure was harmful and counterproductive?
How can you not see that your own pathetic arguments repeatedly contradict themselves?
But most of all, how are you people so blind in how this whole fucking mess we're in is and can be compared to what happened in 1930s Germany and continues to unfold like it?
Have you people heard the speeches that leaders like Mitterrand, the Israeli president, the Canadian premier are making, or the like of Ursula van der Leyen? Like really heard them, listened to them - with what I am saying here in mind? The tactic used of "divide and conquer"!
Do you have any fucking idea what the possible long term ramifications are of the vaccine that may not have been reported yet - and people are thinking about MANDATING a treatment where we have NO LONG TERM FUCKING DATA!!! They want to inject 7 BILLION people with this shit - REPEATEDLY?! Where in their very own words children are not at risk, 80% of the population are asymptomatic (biggest crock of bull for a Coronavirus but hey) or have the sniffles?!
And they want to *possibly* force inject, or penalise with fines or imprison in internment camps perfectly HEALTHY PEOPLE because they are practicing their BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to bodily autonomy?!
Have you any idea what that could mean if things go wrong and they're not the magic bullet they claim to be because they might cause some deteriorative neurological disorder down the line?!
And sure let's keep ignoring the data of reported injuries. Has anybody gone and followed up on the amount of deaths, the amount of long term damage. You all talk about your sick and elderly relatives for whom there are SUCCESSFUL TREATMENTS available which are suppressed to DRIVE the VACCINATION PROCESS!!!
Who gives a fucking shit about these people who's lives have been forever altered? You laugh at us - sure, it's just a needle! IT'S NOT JUST A FUCKING NEEDLE! STOP being so fucking patronising!!!
The amount of "infections" reported daily are NOT infections. They are results from a PCR test which I will repeat again is NOT a diagnostic tool as it CANNOT differentiate if the viral material detected is virulent and infectious or dead remnants from an old, long gone infection or - due to the amplification process - contamination may very well be found!!!
If you people actually believe you're sick when you have no symptoms - I feel sorry for you and extra sorry for the likes of us because there are dark, dark times ahead of us."Another brilliant post | |||
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"All those refusing to get.vaccinated will change tune when they want to go away and the country visiting won't let you in without being double vaxxed.. Ask people to do it. Dont force.. But, u want to drink in my pub. Get double vaxxed. You want to eat in my restaurant. Get double vaxxed. There needs to be safe places for the vaccinated to go about there lawful business and also for the ones who have had covid and natural immunity from the virus but are not vaxed.
This argument makes no sense. Does the vaccine not protect you? "From catching and spreading the virus that is a big NO it does not protect you. | |||
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"I have posted this in two other threads so far and nobody has directly answered the point being made. This is not intended to be bait for either the pro or anti crowd. It is a genuine question about a genuine concern... Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking is how safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales? All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs. How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on! Why is it ok for these Covid vaccines but not others? And how do they know? We have only been administering the vaccines for one year. So they cannot have tested different permutations of the number of boosters over varying timescales!" I wonder if the "debate" if such a thing exists any longer is being stifled? It is of concern as any scientist involved in this must surely be asking the same questions. There is no such thing as a free lunch and everything we put in our body has a consequence. Other questions that don't seem to be getting air time.. How many of the "unvaccinated" have had covid and therefore a level of natural immunity.? Why has az dropped off the radar? What is the plan for what happens next as far as vaccine program? (or do we just keep reacting?) someone surely has a horizon longer than 3 months. I say this as I'm anxiously tooling off for my booster this morning. How many people are vaccinated but the vaccine has not worked for them.? I could continue but we are a long way into this novel virus now and yet we seem to continue making policy based on half arsed science, estimates on a fag packet and assumptions that most gcse science students would not make. | |||
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"I have posted this in two other threads so far and nobody has directly answered the point being made. This is not intended to be bait for either the pro or anti crowd. It is a genuine question about a genuine concern... Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking is how safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales? All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs. How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on! Why is it ok for these Covid vaccines but not others? And how do they know? We have only been administering the vaccines for one year. So they cannot have tested different permutations of the number of boosters over varying timescales!" As an "anti vaxxer" I'll tell you that my belief is that you are continually poisoning yourself if you keep giving yourself one dose after the next. But then I have certain beliefs as to what this "vaccine" actually is designed for and it's nothin' good | |||
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"I have posted this in two other threads so far and nobody has directly answered the point being made. This is not intended to be bait for either the pro or anti crowd. It is a genuine question about a genuine concern... Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking is how safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales? All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs. How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on! Why is it ok for these Covid vaccines but not others? And how do they know? We have only been administering the vaccines for one year. So they cannot have tested different permutations of the number of boosters over varying timescales! As an "anti vaxxer" I'll tell you that my belief is that you are continually poisoning yourself if you keep giving yourself one dose after the next. But then I have certain beliefs as to what this "vaccine" actually is designed for and it's nothin' good "Are there any ingredients in any of the vaccines that you are concerned with? What are the vaccines designed for? | |||
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"I have posted this in two other threads so far and nobody has directly answered the point being made. This is not intended to be bait for either the pro or anti crowd. It is a genuine question about a genuine concern... Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking is how safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales? All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs. How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on! Why is it ok for these Covid vaccines but not others? And how do they know? We have only been administering the vaccines for one year. So they cannot have tested different permutations of the number of boosters over varying timescales! I wonder if the "debate" if such a thing exists any longer is being stifled? It is of concern as any scientist involved in this must surely be asking the same questions. There is no such thing as a free lunch and everything we put in our body has a consequence. Other questions that don't seem to be getting air time.. How many of the "unvaccinated" have had covid and therefore a level of natural immunity.? Why has az dropped off the radar? What is the plan for what happens next as far as vaccine program? (or do we just keep reacting?) someone surely has a horizon longer than 3 months. I say this as I'm anxiously tooling off for my booster this morning. How many people are vaccinated but the vaccine has not worked for them.? I could continue but we are a long way into this novel virus now and yet we seem to continue making policy based on half arsed science, estimates on a fag packet and assumptions that most gcse science students would not make. " AZ taken very quietly off to market??? But shhhhhh, someone might start asking questions? After the blood clot claims? | |||
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"I have posted this in two other threads so far and nobody has directly answered the point being made. This is not intended to be bait for either the pro or anti crowd. It is a genuine question about a genuine concern... Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking is how safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales? All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs. How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on! Why is it ok for these Covid vaccines but not others? And how do they know? We have only been administering the vaccines for one year. So they cannot have tested different permutations of the number of boosters over varying timescales! I wonder if the "debate" if such a thing exists any longer is being stifled? It is of concern as any scientist involved in this must surely be asking the same questions. There is no such thing as a free lunch and everything we put in our body has a consequence. Other questions that don't seem to be getting air time.. How many of the "unvaccinated" have had covid and therefore a level of natural immunity.? Why has az dropped off the radar? What is the plan for what happens next as far as vaccine program? (or do we just keep reacting?) someone surely has a horizon longer than 3 months. I say this as I'm anxiously tooling off for my booster this morning. How many people are vaccinated but the vaccine has not worked for them.? I could continue but we are a long way into this novel virus now and yet we seem to continue making policy based on half arsed science, estimates on a fag packet and assumptions that most gcse science students would not make. AZ taken very quietly off to market??? But shhhhhh, someone might start asking questions? After the blood clot claims?" AZ is still being used here and around the world, but not as effective as the others. There is a tiny chance of blood clots from the vaccines but there are rarely fatal. If you are worried about blood clots there is a much greater chance of getting them catch covid while unvaccinated. No vaccine is a free lunch but you just have to look at the numbers to see why vaccination is the way forward. | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother
How can you people not see the psychological warfare, the propaganda, the manipulation, lies and deceit you've been exposed to for the last 21 months? The drip drip feeding and suggestion that government and media have strategically done to get to exactly the point where we are now?
How can you not see that every measure was harmful and counterproductive?
How can you not see that your own pathetic arguments repeatedly contradict themselves?
But most of all, how are you people so blind in how this whole fucking mess we're in is and can be compared to what happened in 1930s Germany and continues to unfold like it?
Have you people heard the speeches that leaders like Mitterrand, the Israeli president, the Canadian premier are making, or the like of Ursula van der Leyen? Like really heard them, listened to them - with what I am saying here in mind? The tactic used of "divide and conquer"!
Do you have any fucking idea what the possible long term ramifications are of the vaccine that may not have been reported yet - and people are thinking about MANDATING a treatment where we have NO LONG TERM FUCKING DATA!!! They want to inject 7 BILLION people with this shit - REPEATEDLY?! Where in their very own words children are not at risk, 80% of the population are asymptomatic (biggest crock of bull for a Coronavirus but hey) or have the sniffles?!
And they want to *possibly* force inject, or penalise with fines or imprison in internment camps perfectly HEALTHY PEOPLE because they are practicing their BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to bodily autonomy?!
Have you any idea what that could mean if things go wrong and they're not the magic bullet they claim to be because they might cause some deteriorative neurological disorder down the line?!
And sure let's keep ignoring the data of reported injuries. Has anybody gone and followed up on the amount of deaths, the amount of long term damage. You all talk about your sick and elderly relatives for whom there are SUCCESSFUL TREATMENTS available which are suppressed to DRIVE the VACCINATION PROCESS!!!
Who gives a fucking shit about these people who's lives have been forever altered? You laugh at us - sure, it's just a needle! IT'S NOT JUST A FUCKING NEEDLE! STOP being so fucking patronising!!!
The amount of "infections" reported daily are NOT infections. They are results from a PCR test which I will repeat again is NOT a diagnostic tool as it CANNOT differentiate if the viral material detected is virulent and infectious or dead remnants from an old, long gone infection or - due to the amplification process - contamination may very well be found!!!
If you people actually believe you're sick when you have no symptoms - I feel sorry for you and extra sorry for the likes of us because there are dark, dark times ahead of us."Brainwashing is powerful. conditioned to think the way they do. By the two people who lie to them the most. Gov and media. I'm 100% with you. | |||
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"I have posted this in two other threads so far and nobody has directly answered the point being made. This is not intended to be bait for either the pro or anti crowd. It is a genuine question about a genuine concern... Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking is how safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales? All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs. How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on! Why is it ok for these Covid vaccines but not others? And how do they know? We have only been administering the vaccines for one year. So they cannot have tested different permutations of the number of boosters over varying timescales! As an "anti vaxxer" I'll tell you that my belief is that you are continually poisoning yourself if you keep giving yourself one dose after the next. But then I have certain beliefs as to what this "vaccine" actually is designed for and it's nothin' good
Are there any ingredients in any of the vaccines that you are concerned with? What are the vaccines designed for?"Yes, the use of mRNA technology. And designed for  | |||
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"I have posted this in two other threads so far and nobody has directly answered the point being made. This is not intended to be bait for either the pro or anti crowd. It is a genuine question about a genuine concern... Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking is how safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales? All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs. How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on! Why is it ok for these Covid vaccines but not others? And how do they know? We have only been administering the vaccines for one year. So they cannot have tested different permutations of the number of boosters over varying timescales! I wonder if the "debate" if such a thing exists any longer is being stifled? It is of concern as any scientist involved in this must surely be asking the same questions. There is no such thing as a free lunch and everything we put in our body has a consequence. Other questions that don't seem to be getting air time.. How many of the "unvaccinated" have had covid and therefore a level of natural immunity.? Why has az dropped off the radar? What is the plan for what happens next as far as vaccine program? (or do we just keep reacting?) someone surely has a horizon longer than 3 months. I say this as I'm anxiously tooling off for my booster this morning. How many people are vaccinated but the vaccine has not worked for them.? I could continue but we are a long way into this novel virus now and yet we seem to continue making policy based on half arsed science, estimates on a fag packet and assumptions that most gcse science students would not make. AZ taken very quietly off to market??? But shhhhhh, someone might start asking questions? After the blood clot claims? AZ is still being used here and around the world, but not as effective as the others. There is a tiny chance of blood clots from the vaccines but there are rarely fatal. If you are worried about blood clots there is a much greater chance of getting them catch covid while unvaccinated. No vaccine is a free lunch but you just have to look at the numbers to see why vaccination is the way forward." Nah, thanks. You're all right | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother
How can you people not see the psychological warfare, the propaganda, the manipulation, lies and deceit you've been exposed to for the last 21 months? The drip drip feeding and suggestion that government and media have strategically done to get to exactly the point where we are now?
How can you not see that every measure was harmful and counterproductive?
How can you not see that your own pathetic arguments repeatedly contradict themselves?
But most of all, how are you people so blind in how this whole fucking mess we're in is and can be compared to what happened in 1930s Germany and continues to unfold like it?
Have you people heard the speeches that leaders like Mitterrand, the Israeli president, the Canadian premier are making, or the like of Ursula van der Leyen? Like really heard them, listened to them - with what I am saying here in mind? The tactic used of "divide and conquer"!
Do you have any fucking idea what the possible long term ramifications are of the vaccine that may not have been reported yet - and people are thinking about MANDATING a treatment where we have NO LONG TERM FUCKING DATA!!! They want to inject 7 BILLION people with this shit - REPEATEDLY?! Where in their very own words children are not at risk, 80% of the population are asymptomatic (biggest crock of bull for a Coronavirus but hey) or have the sniffles?!
And they want to *possibly* force inject, or penalise with fines or imprison in internment camps perfectly HEALTHY PEOPLE because they are practicing their BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to bodily autonomy?!
Have you any idea what that could mean if things go wrong and they're not the magic bullet they claim to be because they might cause some deteriorative neurological disorder down the line?!
And sure let's keep ignoring the data of reported injuries. Has anybody gone and followed up on the amount of deaths, the amount of long term damage. You all talk about your sick and elderly relatives for whom there are SUCCESSFUL TREATMENTS available which are suppressed to DRIVE the VACCINATION PROCESS!!!
Who gives a fucking shit about these people who's lives have been forever altered? You laugh at us - sure, it's just a needle! IT'S NOT JUST A FUCKING NEEDLE! STOP being so fucking patronising!!!
The amount of "infections" reported daily are NOT infections. They are results from a PCR test which I will repeat again is NOT a diagnostic tool as it CANNOT differentiate if the viral material detected is virulent and infectious or dead remnants from an old, long gone infection or - due to the amplification process - contamination may very well be found!!!
If you people actually believe you're sick when you have no symptoms - I feel sorry for you and extra sorry for the likes of us because there are dark, dark times ahead of us.
Brainwashing is powerful.
conditioned to think the way they do.
By the two people who lie to them the most.
Gov and media.
I'm 100% with you.
"Thanks xxx | |||
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"I think we should have a conversation about locking up Boris and his cronies before we talk about locking up anyone else " How about talking about dealing with virus rather than being political... You complain about the PM yet the Opposition are in full support too. So where does that leave your opinion? | |||
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"I think we should have a conversation about locking up Boris and his cronies before we talk about locking up anyone else How about talking about dealing with virus rather than being political... You complain about the PM yet the Opposition are in full support too. So where does that leave your opinion?" Living in 1930s Germany 
"Ihre Papiere, bitte" | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother
How can you people not see the psychological warfare, the propaganda, the manipulation, lies and deceit you've been exposed to for the last 21 months? The drip drip feeding and suggestion that government and media have strategically done to get to exactly the point where we are now?
How can you not see that every measure was harmful and counterproductive?
How can you not see that your own pathetic arguments repeatedly contradict themselves?
But most of all, how are you people so blind in how this whole fucking mess we're in is and can be compared to what happened in 1930s Germany and continues to unfold like it?
Have you people heard the speeches that leaders like Mitterrand, the Israeli president, the Canadian premier are making, or the like of Ursula van der Leyen? Like really heard them, listened to them - with what I am saying here in mind? The tactic used of "divide and conquer"!
Do you have any fucking idea what the possible long term ramifications are of the vaccine that may not have been reported yet - and people are thinking about MANDATING a treatment where we have NO LONG TERM FUCKING DATA!!! They want to inject 7 BILLION people with this shit - REPEATEDLY?! Where in their very own words children are not at risk, 80% of the population are asymptomatic (biggest crock of bull for a Coronavirus but hey) or have the sniffles?!
And they want to *possibly* force inject, or penalise with fines or imprison in internment camps perfectly HEALTHY PEOPLE because they are practicing their BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to bodily autonomy?!
Have you any idea what that could mean if things go wrong and they're not the magic bullet they claim to be because they might cause some deteriorative neurological disorder down the line?!
And sure let's keep ignoring the data of reported injuries. Has anybody gone and followed up on the amount of deaths, the amount of long term damage. You all talk about your sick and elderly relatives for whom there are SUCCESSFUL TREATMENTS available which are suppressed to DRIVE the VACCINATION PROCESS!!!
Who gives a fucking shit about these people who's lives have been forever altered? You laugh at us - sure, it's just a needle! IT'S NOT JUST A FUCKING NEEDLE! STOP being so fucking patronising!!!
The amount of "infections" reported daily are NOT infections. They are results from a PCR test which I will repeat again is NOT a diagnostic tool as it CANNOT differentiate if the viral material detected is virulent and infectious or dead remnants from an old, long gone infection or - due to the amplification process - contamination may very well be found!!!
If you people actually believe you're sick when you have no symptoms - I feel sorry for you and extra sorry for the likes of us because there are dark, dark times ahead of us."Sounds like another antivaxer - she has even hidden her profile - wonder why... I suggest rather than complaining about the vaccine then produce a viable alternative that does ot include 100s of thousands dying.. | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother
How can you people not see the psychological warfare, the propaganda, the manipulation, lies and deceit you've been exposed to for the last 21 months? The drip drip feeding and suggestion that government and media have strategically done to get to exactly the point where we are now?
How can you not see that every measure was harmful and counterproductive?
How can you not see that your own pathetic arguments repeatedly contradict themselves?
But most of all, how are you people so blind in how this whole fucking mess we're in is and can be compared to what happened in 1930s Germany and continues to unfold like it?
Have you people heard the speeches that leaders like Mitterrand, the Israeli president, the Canadian premier are making, or the like of Ursula van der Leyen? Like really heard them, listened to them - with what I am saying here in mind? The tactic used of "divide and conquer"!
Do you have any fucking idea what the possible long term ramifications are of the vaccine that may not have been reported yet - and people are thinking about MANDATING a treatment where we have NO LONG TERM FUCKING DATA!!! They want to inject 7 BILLION people with this shit - REPEATEDLY?! Where in their very own words children are not at risk, 80% of the population are asymptomatic (biggest crock of bull for a Coronavirus but hey) or have the sniffles?!
And they want to *possibly* force inject, or penalise with fines or imprison in internment camps perfectly HEALTHY PEOPLE because they are practicing their BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to bodily autonomy?!
Have you any idea what that could mean if things go wrong and they're not the magic bullet they claim to be because they might cause some deteriorative neurological disorder down the line?!
And sure let's keep ignoring the data of reported injuries. Has anybody gone and followed up on the amount of deaths, the amount of long term damage. You all talk about your sick and elderly relatives for whom there are SUCCESSFUL TREATMENTS available which are suppressed to DRIVE the VACCINATION PROCESS!!!
Who gives a fucking shit about these people who's lives have been forever altered? You laugh at us - sure, it's just a needle! IT'S NOT JUST A FUCKING NEEDLE! STOP being so fucking patronising!!!
The amount of "infections" reported daily are NOT infections. They are results from a PCR test which I will repeat again is NOT a diagnostic tool as it CANNOT differentiate if the viral material detected is virulent and infectious or dead remnants from an old, long gone infection or - due to the amplification process - contamination may very well be found!!!
If you people actually believe you're sick when you have no symptoms - I feel sorry for you and extra sorry for the likes of us because there are dark, dark times ahead of us.
Sounds like another antivaxer - she has even hidden her profile - wonder why...
I suggest rather than complaining about the vaccine then produce a viable alternative that does ot include 100s of thousands dying.. "I love that Pfizer are such an honest company with no history of what they are being accused of now… How is whether her profile is hidden or not relevant to anything? | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother
How can you people not see the psychological warfare, the propaganda, the manipulation, lies and deceit you've been exposed to for the last 21 months? The drip drip feeding and suggestion that government and media have strategically done to get to exactly the point where we are now?
How can you not see that every measure was harmful and counterproductive?
How can you not see that your own pathetic arguments repeatedly contradict themselves?
But most of all, how are you people so blind in how this whole fucking mess we're in is and can be compared to what happened in 1930s Germany and continues to unfold like it?
Have you people heard the speeches that leaders like Mitterrand, the Israeli president, the Canadian premier are making, or the like of Ursula van der Leyen? Like really heard them, listened to them - with what I am saying here in mind? The tactic used of "divide and conquer"!
Do you have any fucking idea what the possible long term ramifications are of the vaccine that may not have been reported yet - and people are thinking about MANDATING a treatment where we have NO LONG TERM FUCKING DATA!!! They want to inject 7 BILLION people with this shit - REPEATEDLY?! Where in their very own words children are not at risk, 80% of the population are asymptomatic (biggest crock of bull for a Coronavirus but hey) or have the sniffles?!
And they want to *possibly* force inject, or penalise with fines or imprison in internment camps perfectly HEALTHY PEOPLE because they are practicing their BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to bodily autonomy?!
Have you any idea what that could mean if things go wrong and they're not the magic bullet they claim to be because they might cause some deteriorative neurological disorder down the line?!
And sure let's keep ignoring the data of reported injuries. Has anybody gone and followed up on the amount of deaths, the amount of long term damage. You all talk about your sick and elderly relatives for whom there are SUCCESSFUL TREATMENTS available which are suppressed to DRIVE the VACCINATION PROCESS!!!
Who gives a fucking shit about these people who's lives have been forever altered? You laugh at us - sure, it's just a needle! IT'S NOT JUST A FUCKING NEEDLE! STOP being so fucking patronising!!!
The amount of "infections" reported daily are NOT infections. They are results from a PCR test which I will repeat again is NOT a diagnostic tool as it CANNOT differentiate if the viral material detected is virulent and infectious or dead remnants from an old, long gone infection or - due to the amplification process - contamination may very well be found!!!
If you people actually believe you're sick when you have no symptoms - I feel sorry for you and extra sorry for the likes of us because there are dark, dark times ahead of us.
Sounds like another antivaxer - she has even hidden her profile - wonder why...
I suggest rather than complaining about the vaccine then produce a viable alternative that does ot include 100s of thousands dying.. "Another very informative post, really, fabulous! Well done you. Ingenious how you managed to label me, give yourself a pat on the back! The fucking treatment is out there and being suppressed to drive the vaccination process - did you read my post?! Hidden profile? - apart from the fact that it's none of your business - I'm not meeting so I hide my profile. Yis are welcome to hurl the abuse into my inbox though
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother
How can you people not see the psychological warfare, the propaganda, the manipulation, lies and deceit you've been exposed to for the last 21 months? The drip drip feeding and suggestion that government and media have strategically done to get to exactly the point where we are now?
How can you not see that every measure was harmful and counterproductive?
How can you not see that your own pathetic arguments repeatedly contradict themselves?
But most of all, how are you people so blind in how this whole fucking mess we're in is and can be compared to what happened in 1930s Germany and continues to unfold like it?
Have you people heard the speeches that leaders like Mitterrand, the Israeli president, the Canadian premier are making, or the like of Ursula van der Leyen? Like really heard them, listened to them - with what I am saying here in mind? The tactic used of "divide and conquer"!
Do you have any fucking idea what the possible long term ramifications are of the vaccine that may not have been reported yet - and people are thinking about MANDATING a treatment where we have NO LONG TERM FUCKING DATA!!! They want to inject 7 BILLION people with this shit - REPEATEDLY?! Where in their very own words children are not at risk, 80% of the population are asymptomatic (biggest crock of bull for a Coronavirus but hey) or have the sniffles?!
And they want to *possibly* force inject, or penalise with fines or imprison in internment camps perfectly HEALTHY PEOPLE because they are practicing their BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to bodily autonomy?!
Have you any idea what that could mean if things go wrong and they're not the magic bullet they claim to be because they might cause some deteriorative neurological disorder down the line?!
And sure let's keep ignoring the data of reported injuries. Has anybody gone and followed up on the amount of deaths, the amount of long term damage. You all talk about your sick and elderly relatives for whom there are SUCCESSFUL TREATMENTS available which are suppressed to DRIVE the VACCINATION PROCESS!!!
Who gives a fucking shit about these people who's lives have been forever altered? You laugh at us - sure, it's just a needle! IT'S NOT JUST A FUCKING NEEDLE! STOP being so fucking patronising!!!
The amount of "infections" reported daily are NOT infections. They are results from a PCR test which I will repeat again is NOT a diagnostic tool as it CANNOT differentiate if the viral material detected is virulent and infectious or dead remnants from an old, long gone infection or - due to the amplification process - contamination may very well be found!!!
If you people actually believe you're sick when you have no symptoms - I feel sorry for you and extra sorry for the likes of us because there are dark, dark times ahead of us.
Sounds like another antivaxer - she has even hidden her profile - wonder why...
I suggest rather than complaining about the vaccine then produce a viable alternative that does ot include 100s of thousands dying..
Another very informative post, really, fabulous! Well done you. Ingenious how you managed to label me, give yourself a pat on the back!
The fucking treatment is out there and being suppressed to drive the vaccination process - did you read my post?!
Hidden profile? - apart from the fact that it's none of your business - I'm not meeting so I hide my profile. Yis are welcome to hurl the abuse into my inbox though
"Peter Doshi PhD on Science without Data Expert Panel on Vaccine Mandates 2nd November 2021 chaired by Senator Ron Johnson There's no data for covid vaccines, in fact if your interested in 'analysing the data' for the Pfizer trail, you'll have to wait until May 2025 before you can request it. While we're told to keep following the 'science,' what we are following is not a 'scientific process' based on open data. We are following a process in which the data is treated as a secret and in my view there's something very 'unscientific' about that. The trial has still not ended. So is the Senior Editor of BMJ an Anti vaxer???? I think not. | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother
How can you people not see the psychological warfare, the propaganda, the manipulation, lies and deceit you've been exposed to for the last 21 months? The drip drip feeding and suggestion that government and media have strategically done to get to exactly the point where we are now?
How can you not see that every measure was harmful and counterproductive?
How can you not see that your own pathetic arguments repeatedly contradict themselves?
But most of all, how are you people so blind in how this whole fucking mess we're in is and can be compared to what happened in 1930s Germany and continues to unfold like it?
Have you people heard the speeches that leaders like Mitterrand, the Israeli president, the Canadian premier are making, or the like of Ursula van der Leyen? Like really heard them, listened to them - with what I am saying here in mind? The tactic used of "divide and conquer"!
Do you have any fucking idea what the possible long term ramifications are of the vaccine that may not have been reported yet - and people are thinking about MANDATING a treatment where we have NO LONG TERM FUCKING DATA!!! They want to inject 7 BILLION people with this shit - REPEATEDLY?! Where in their very own words children are not at risk, 80% of the population are asymptomatic (biggest crock of bull for a Coronavirus but hey) or have the sniffles?!
And they want to *possibly* force inject, or penalise with fines or imprison in internment camps perfectly HEALTHY PEOPLE because they are practicing their BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to bodily autonomy?!
Have you any idea what that could mean if things go wrong and they're not the magic bullet they claim to be because they might cause some deteriorative neurological disorder down the line?!
And sure let's keep ignoring the data of reported injuries. Has anybody gone and followed up on the amount of deaths, the amount of long term damage. You all talk about your sick and elderly relatives for whom there are SUCCESSFUL TREATMENTS available which are suppressed to DRIVE the VACCINATION PROCESS!!!
Who gives a fucking shit about these people who's lives have been forever altered? You laugh at us - sure, it's just a needle! IT'S NOT JUST A FUCKING NEEDLE! STOP being so fucking patronising!!!
The amount of "infections" reported daily are NOT infections. They are results from a PCR test which I will repeat again is NOT a diagnostic tool as it CANNOT differentiate if the viral material detected is virulent and infectious or dead remnants from an old, long gone infection or - due to the amplification process - contamination may very well be found!!!
If you people actually believe you're sick when you have no symptoms - I feel sorry for you and extra sorry for the likes of us because there are dark, dark times ahead of us.
Sounds like another antivaxer - she has even hidden her profile - wonder why...
I suggest rather than complaining about the vaccine then produce a viable alternative that does ot include 100s of thousands dying..
Another very informative post, really, fabulous! Well done you. Ingenious how you managed to label me, give yourself a pat on the back!
The fucking treatment is out there and being suppressed to drive the vaccination process - did you read my post?!
Hidden profile? - apart from the fact that it's none of your business - I'm not meeting so I hide my profile. Yis are welcome to hurl the abuse into my inbox though
Peter Doshi PhD on Science without Data Expert Panel on Vaccine Mandates 2nd November 2021 chaired by Senator Ron Johnson
There's no data for covid vaccines, in fact if your interested in 'analysing the data' for the Pfizer trail, you'll have to wait until May 2025 before you can request it.
While we're told to keep following the 'science,' what we are following is not a 'scientific process' based on open data. We are following a process in which the data is treated as a secret and in my view there's something very 'unscientific' about that.
The trial has still not ended.
So is the Senior Editor of BMJ an Anti vaxer???? I think not.
"He is not a senior editor and he is not a scientist either and pretty anyone can put something upon the BMJ,if something is total bullocks it generally gets removed eventually once it's peer reviewed. Why cherry pick one guy and then ignore 10s of thousands of equally or more qualified academics who don't agree with your point of view? | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother
How can you people not see the psychological warfare, the propaganda, the manipulation, lies and deceit you've been exposed to for the last 21 months? The drip drip feeding and suggestion that government and media have strategically done to get to exactly the point where we are now?
How can you not see that every measure was harmful and counterproductive?
How can you not see that your own pathetic arguments repeatedly contradict themselves?
But most of all, how are you people so blind in how this whole fucking mess we're in is and can be compared to what happened in 1930s Germany and continues to unfold like it?
Have you people heard the speeches that leaders like Mitterrand, the Israeli president, the Canadian premier are making, or the like of Ursula van der Leyen? Like really heard them, listened to them - with what I am saying here in mind? The tactic used of "divide and conquer"!
Do you have any fucking idea what the possible long term ramifications are of the vaccine that may not have been reported yet - and people are thinking about MANDATING a treatment where we have NO LONG TERM FUCKING DATA!!! They want to inject 7 BILLION people with this shit - REPEATEDLY?! Where in their very own words children are not at risk, 80% of the population are asymptomatic (biggest crock of bull for a Coronavirus but hey) or have the sniffles?!
And they want to *possibly* force inject, or penalise with fines or imprison in internment camps perfectly HEALTHY PEOPLE because they are practicing their BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to bodily autonomy?!
Have you any idea what that could mean if things go wrong and they're not the magic bullet they claim to be because they might cause some deteriorative neurological disorder down the line?!
And sure let's keep ignoring the data of reported injuries. Has anybody gone and followed up on the amount of deaths, the amount of long term damage. You all talk about your sick and elderly relatives for whom there are SUCCESSFUL TREATMENTS available which are suppressed to DRIVE the VACCINATION PROCESS!!!
Who gives a fucking shit about these people who's lives have been forever altered? You laugh at us - sure, it's just a needle! IT'S NOT JUST A FUCKING NEEDLE! STOP being so fucking patronising!!!
The amount of "infections" reported daily are NOT infections. They are results from a PCR test which I will repeat again is NOT a diagnostic tool as it CANNOT differentiate if the viral material detected is virulent and infectious or dead remnants from an old, long gone infection or - due to the amplification process - contamination may very well be found!!!
If you people actually believe you're sick when you have no symptoms - I feel sorry for you and extra sorry for the likes of us because there are dark, dark times ahead of us.
Sounds like another antivaxer - she has even hidden her profile - wonder why...
I suggest rather than complaining about the vaccine then produce a viable alternative that does ot include 100s of thousands dying..
Another very informative post, really, fabulous! Well done you. Ingenious how you managed to label me, give yourself a pat on the back!
The fucking treatment is out there and being suppressed to drive the vaccination process - did you read my post?!
Hidden profile? - apart from the fact that it's none of your business - I'm not meeting so I hide my profile. Yis are welcome to hurl the abuse into my inbox though
Peter Doshi PhD on Science without Data Expert Panel on Vaccine Mandates 2nd November 2021 chaired by Senator Ron Johnson
There's no data for covid vaccines, in fact if your interested in 'analysing the data' for the Pfizer trail, you'll have to wait until May 2025 before you can request it.
While we're told to keep following the 'science,' what we are following is not a 'scientific process' based on open data. We are following a process in which the data is treated as a secret and in my view there's something very 'unscientific' about that.
The trial has still not ended.
So is the Senior Editor of BMJ an Anti vaxer???? I think not.
He is not a senior editor and he is not a scientist either and pretty anyone can put something upon the BMJ,if something is total bullocks it generally gets removed eventually once it's peer reviewed. Why cherry pick one guy and then ignore 10s of thousands of equally or more qualified academics who don't agree with your point of view?"Quote from the BMJ: "Peter Doshi Peter Doshi is a senior editor at The BMJ and on the News & Views team. Based in Baltimore, he is also an associate professor of pharmaceutical health services research at the University of Maryland School of Pharmacy. His research focuses on the drug approval process, how the risks and benefits of medical products are assessed and communicated, and improving the credibility and accuracy of evidence synthesis and biomedical publications. Doshi campaigns for greater transparency of clinical trial data and leads the Restoring Invisible and Abandoned Trials (RIAT) initiative, which aims to ensure clinical trial publications are accurate, complete, and data are publicly available. " "Doshi completed a fellowship in comparative effectiveness research at Johns Hopkins and received his PhD in history, anthropology, and science, technology and society from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology." | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother
How can you people not see the psychological warfare, the propaganda, the manipulation, lies and deceit you've been exposed to for the last 21 months? The drip drip feeding and suggestion that government and media have strategically done to get to exactly the point where we are now?
How can you not see that every measure was harmful and counterproductive?
How can you not see that your own pathetic arguments repeatedly contradict themselves?
But most of all, how are you people so blind in how this whole fucking mess we're in is and can be compared to what happened in 1930s Germany and continues to unfold like it?
Have you people heard the speeches that leaders like Mitterrand, the Israeli president, the Canadian premier are making, or the like of Ursula van der Leyen? Like really heard them, listened to them - with what I am saying here in mind? The tactic used of "divide and conquer"!
Do you have any fucking idea what the possible long term ramifications are of the vaccine that may not have been reported yet - and people are thinking about MANDATING a treatment where we have NO LONG TERM FUCKING DATA!!! They want to inject 7 BILLION people with this shit - REPEATEDLY?! Where in their very own words children are not at risk, 80% of the population are asymptomatic (biggest crock of bull for a Coronavirus but hey) or have the sniffles?!
And they want to *possibly* force inject, or penalise with fines or imprison in internment camps perfectly HEALTHY PEOPLE because they are practicing their BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to bodily autonomy?!
Have you any idea what that could mean if things go wrong and they're not the magic bullet they claim to be because they might cause some deteriorative neurological disorder down the line?!
And sure let's keep ignoring the data of reported injuries. Has anybody gone and followed up on the amount of deaths, the amount of long term damage. You all talk about your sick and elderly relatives for whom there are SUCCESSFUL TREATMENTS available which are suppressed to DRIVE the VACCINATION PROCESS!!!
Who gives a fucking shit about these people who's lives have been forever altered? You laugh at us - sure, it's just a needle! IT'S NOT JUST A FUCKING NEEDLE! STOP being so fucking patronising!!!
The amount of "infections" reported daily are NOT infections. They are results from a PCR test which I will repeat again is NOT a diagnostic tool as it CANNOT differentiate if the viral material detected is virulent and infectious or dead remnants from an old, long gone infection or - due to the amplification process - contamination may very well be found!!!
If you people actually believe you're sick when you have no symptoms - I feel sorry for you and extra sorry for the likes of us because there are dark, dark times ahead of us.
Sounds like another antivaxer - she has even hidden her profile - wonder why...
I suggest rather than complaining about the vaccine then produce a viable alternative that does ot include 100s of thousands dying..
Another very informative post, really, fabulous! Well done you. Ingenious how you managed to label me, give yourself a pat on the back!
The fucking treatment is out there and being suppressed to drive the vaccination process - did you read my post?!
Hidden profile? - apart from the fact that it's none of your business - I'm not meeting so I hide my profile. Yis are welcome to hurl the abuse into my inbox though
Peter Doshi PhD on Science without Data Expert Panel on Vaccine Mandates 2nd November 2021 chaired by Senator Ron Johnson
There's no data for covid vaccines, in fact if your interested in 'analysing the data' for the Pfizer trail, you'll have to wait until May 2025 before you can request it.
While we're told to keep following the 'science,' what we are following is not a 'scientific process' based on open data. We are following a process in which the data is treated as a secret and in my view there's something very 'unscientific' about that.
The trial has still not ended.
So is the Senior Editor of BMJ an Anti vaxer???? I think not.
He is not a senior editor and he is not a scientist either and pretty anyone can put something upon the BMJ,if something is total bullocks it generally gets removed eventually once it's peer reviewed. Why cherry pick one guy and then ignore 10s of thousands of equally or more qualified academics who don't agree with your point of view?
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"Peter Doshi
Peter Doshi is a senior editor at The BMJ and on the News & Views team. Based in Baltimore, he is also an associate professor of pharmaceutical health services research at the University of Maryland School of Pharmacy. His research focuses on the drug approval process, how the risks and benefits of medical products are assessed and communicated, and improving the credibility and accuracy of evidence synthesis and biomedical publications. Doshi campaigns for greater transparency of clinical trial data and leads the Restoring Invisible and Abandoned Trials (RIAT) initiative, which aims to ensure clinical trial publications are accurate, complete, and data are publicly available. "
"Doshi completed a fellowship in comparative effectiveness research at Johns Hopkins and received his PhD in history, anthropology, and science, technology and society from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.""Thank you | |||
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"I have posted this in two other threads so far and nobody has directly answered the point being made. This is not intended to be bait for either the pro or anti crowd. It is a genuine question about a genuine concern... Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking is how safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales? All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs. How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on! Why is it ok for these Covid vaccines but not others? And how do they know? We have only been administering the vaccines for one year. So they cannot have tested different permutations of the number of boosters over varying timescales! I wonder if the "debate" if such a thing exists any longer is being stifled? It is of concern as any scientist involved in this must surely be asking the same questions. There is no such thing as a free lunch and everything we put in our body has a consequence. Other questions that don't seem to be getting air time.. How many of the "unvaccinated" have had covid and therefore a level of natural immunity.? Why has az dropped off the radar? What is the plan for what happens next as far as vaccine program? (or do we just keep reacting?) someone surely has a horizon longer than 3 months. I say this as I'm anxiously tooling off for my booster this morning. How many people are vaccinated but the vaccine has not worked for them.? I could continue but we are a long way into this novel virus now and yet we seem to continue making policy based on half arsed science, estimates on a fag packet and assumptions that most gcse science students would not make. AZ taken very quietly off to market??? But shhhhhh, someone might start asking questions? After the blood clot claims? AZ is still being used here and around the world, but not as effective as the others. There is a tiny chance of blood clots from the vaccines but there are rarely fatal. If you are worried about blood clots there is a much greater chance of getting them catch covid while unvaccinated. No vaccine is a free lunch but you just have to look at the numbers to see why vaccination is the way forward." You see medical treatment as a "lunch" that might possibly go wrong?!?
The numbers of adverse reactions are being ignored and are well underreported and swept under the carpet - all to drive the narrative.
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"Truly Delicious you're Truly Delicious. Thank you for putting into words my sentiments. " | |||
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"Truly Delicious you're Truly Delicious. Thank you for putting into words my sentiments.
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"Ends justify the means? If the people and government believe that those who believe in fighting for their freedom and their bodily autonomy are going to falter, I think the people and government have a fight on their hands. Sure, some will falter under the pressure - coercive measures used for medical treatment is against the Nuremberg code! When the people who believe in this freedom have nothing left to lose - what do you think will happen? Yes, these people are in the minority. That does not mean that these people will not use every justifiable means necessary to fight for basic human rights!!! And remember what happened to those who stood by, watched on and said nothing!" A lot of what you say and how you say it reminds of insulate Britain, have you glued your hands to the keyboard  | |||
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"Ends justify the means? If the people and government believe that those who believe in fighting for their freedom and their bodily autonomy are going to falter, I think the people and government have a fight on their hands. Sure, some will falter under the pressure - coercive measures used for medical treatment is against the Nuremberg code! When the people who believe in this freedom have nothing left to lose - what do you think will happen? Yes, these people are in the minority. That does not mean that these people will not use every justifiable means necessary to fight for basic human rights!!! And remember what happened to those who stood by, watched on and said nothing! A lot of what you say and how you say it reminds of insulate Britain, have you glued your hands to the keyboard "Not quite but getting close  | |||
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"No enforced vaccinations! I never realised how many fascists we had" But apparently the antivaxxers are right wing fascists | |||
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"No enforced vaccinations! I never realised how many fascists we had But apparently the antivaxxers are right wing fascists "It's been very revealing as to the authoritarianism of the 'kinder, gentler' people. When the chips are down they'll lock you away or risk killing you | |||
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"What will chairman Johnson have in common with criminals. Stalin-Hitler-Mao-Amin-Mussolini-Hussein And what did the do to keep themselves in power. And you don't think it could happen today on a much grander scale." It's not just Johnson. It's almost our entire political class | |||
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"We can’t do nothing to those who won’t take it. Just let them get on with it and take your own steps to stay safe, if the virus kills them it kills them , and they should be refused medical treatment unless they are unable to have vaccine for medical reasons ,I look on them as the same sort that would get behind the wheel d*unk , If they have no regard for there own health they certainly won’t have any for yours , " This whole “the unvaccinated shouldn’t get medical treatment” gets wheeled out regularly without considering what that truly means. We have had Covid in the world for two years. It hit the UK (as far as we know) in Feb/Mar 2020. We KNOW that people who smoke or people who are overweight/obese are at significantly higher risk of getting serious Covid symptoms and ending up hospitalised, needing ICU or dying. And yet how many people have taken personal responsibility over the last 12-18mths to give up smoking, lose weight, get fit, improve their diet, reduce alcohol consumption etc? Are you proposing withholding medical treatment from them? | |||
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"We can’t do nothing to those who won’t take it. Just let them get on with it and take your own steps to stay safe, if the virus kills them it kills them , and they should be refused medical treatment unless they are unable to have vaccine for medical reasons ,I look on them as the same sort that would get behind the wheel d*unk , If they have no regard for there own health they certainly won’t have any for yours , This whole “the unvaccinated shouldn’t get medical treatment” gets wheeled out regularly without considering what that truly means. We have had Covid in the world for two years. It hit the UK (as far as we know) in Feb/Mar 2020. We KNOW that people who smoke or people who are overweight/obese are at significantly higher risk of getting serious Covid symptoms and ending up hospitalised, needing ICU or dying. And yet how many people have taken personal responsibility over the last 12-18mths to give up smoking, lose weight, get fit, improve their diet, reduce alcohol consumption etc? Are you proposing withholding medical treatment from them? "
I love that argument.
Also another counter argument is those who suffer from adverse reactions to the vaccine - let them rot!
Not that I believe that is the way forward at all - live and let live and all that.
But considering it's my taxpayers money paying for your vaccine, I'm supposed to fork out for the cost of treatment to your adverse reactions too?!
And when the pharmaceutical companies are indemnified, it's also my taxpayers money paying for damages?!
Plus, the vaccine protects YOU!!! It still DOESN'T STOP TRANSMISSION!!! | |||
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"I have posted this in two other threads so far and nobody has directly answered the point being made. This is not intended to be bait for either the pro or anti crowd. It is a genuine question about a genuine concern... Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking is how safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales? All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs. How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on! Why is it ok for these Covid vaccines but not others? And how do they know? We have only been administering the vaccines for one year. So they cannot have tested different permutations of the number of boosters over varying timescales! As an "anti vaxxer" I'll tell you that my belief is that you are continually poisoning yourself if you keep giving yourself one dose after the next. But then I have certain beliefs as to what this "vaccine" actually is designed for and it's nothin' good "IMO regardless of whether someone is pro or anti vaccine, we should be asking the question regarding vaccine build up and boosters being encouraged over increasingly shorter timespans. As I said above ALL medicines (including vaccines) have a max dosage within a given timeframe. So how are Covid vaccines any different? Even if the vaccines are safe and adequately tested for the first and second dose, there is simply no way of knowing whether multiple doses in greater frequency is safe because not enough time has elapsed to monitor for side effects! It’s the same principal as anti-venoms. A tiny amount stimulates the body to fight it but a higher dose will do the same damage as the venom! As @Backformore says above, this does not appear to being debated but it should be and publicly. | |||
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"I have posted this in two other threads so far and nobody has directly answered the point being made. This is not intended to be bait for either the pro or anti crowd. It is a genuine question about a genuine concern... Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking is how safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales? All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs. How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on! Why is it ok for these Covid vaccines but not others? And how do they know? We have only been administering the vaccines for one year. So they cannot have tested different permutations of the number of boosters over varying timescales! As an "anti vaxxer" I'll tell you that my belief is that you are continually poisoning yourself if you keep giving yourself one dose after the next. But then I have certain beliefs as to what this "vaccine" actually is designed for and it's nothin' good
IMO regardless of whether someone is pro or anti vaccine, we should be asking the question regarding vaccine build up and boosters being encouraged over increasingly shorter timespans.
As I said above ALL medicines (including vaccines) have a max dosage within a given timeframe. So how are Covid vaccines any different?
Even if the vaccines are safe and adequately tested for the first and second dose, there is simply no way of knowing whether multiple doses in greater frequency is safe because not enough time has elapsed to monitor for side effects!
It’s the same principal as anti-venoms. A tiny amount stimulates the body to fight it but a higher dose will do the same damage as the venom!
As @Backformore says above, this does not appear to being debated but it should be and publicly. "A reasonable public debate?! In a democracy?! Are you gone bonkers? | |||
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"I have posted this in two other threads so far and nobody has directly answered the point being made. This is not intended to be bait for either the pro or anti crowd. It is a genuine question about a genuine concern... Something nobody seems to be talking about or asking is how safe is it to keep adding more vaccine into your body over increasingly shorter timescales? All “medicines” have a recommended maximum dosage over a given period. Only the Flu vaccine has an annual “booster” (due to Flu virus mutating) whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no other vaccine requires a booster for at least 10yrs. How do we/they know if three doses within a matter of months (for some) is safe? What happens when we get another variant of concern (we will because viruses mutate) - 4th booster and so on! Why is it ok for these Covid vaccines but not others? And how do they know? We have only been administering the vaccines for one year. So they cannot have tested different permutations of the number of boosters over varying timescales! As an "anti vaxxer" I'll tell you that my belief is that you are continually poisoning yourself if you keep giving yourself one dose after the next. But then I have certain beliefs as to what this "vaccine" actually is designed for and it's nothin' good
IMO regardless of whether someone is pro or anti vaccine, we should be asking the question regarding vaccine build up and boosters being encouraged over increasingly shorter timespans.
As I said above ALL medicines (including vaccines) have a max dosage within a given timeframe. So how are Covid vaccines any different?
Even if the vaccines are safe and adequately tested for the first and second dose, there is simply no way of knowing whether multiple doses in greater frequency is safe because not enough time has elapsed to monitor for side effects!
It’s the same principal as anti-venoms. A tiny amount stimulates the body to fight it but a higher dose will do the same damage as the venom!
As @Backformore says above, this does not appear to being debated but it should be and publicly.
A reasonable public debate?! In a democracy?! Are you gone bonkers? "I can see it now .. 5 mins in insults being thrown the country is not capable of having a civil debate I'm afraid.. I don't wear a mask never have .. the abuse I've taken has been phenomenal with hardly anyone scowling or giving me lip willing to listen to anything other than the government propaganda | |||
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"Well a discussion on here would be a start (yes I know it’s a swinger site) but despite asking that same question re max dosage and contracting timeframes in three threads so far, none of the ardently pro-vaccine gang have tackled it! I take that as ostrich head in sand approach (or fingers in ears) - ie nobody wants to actually face up to some uncomfortable truths or have their comfort bubble burst. As someone who rejects tribalism and is neither pro or anti vaccine (but is pro choice) I find this particularly worrying. It’s as if the anti vax trust nobody in authority and the pro vax trust everybody in authority! There’s no room for some common sense and informed debate!" Yes, and very valid points you have. My points re the available successful treatments clearly still being suppressed and the adverse effects of vaccines ignored by the authorities (and the pro population) haven't been answered either | |||
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"Well a discussion on here would be a start (yes I know it’s a swinger site) but despite asking that same question re max dosage and contracting timeframes in three threads so far, none of the ardently pro-vaccine gang have tackled it! I take that as ostrich head in sand approach (or fingers in ears) - ie nobody wants to actually face up to some uncomfortable truths or have their comfort bubble burst. As someone who rejects tribalism and is neither pro or anti vaccine (but is pro choice) I find this particularly worrying. It’s as if the anti vax trust nobody in authority and the pro vax trust everybody in authority! There’s no room for some common sense and informed debate! Yes, and very valid points you have. My points re the available successful treatments clearly still being suppressed and the adverse effects of vaccines ignored by the authorities (and the pro population) haven't been answered either "The problem is that sensible but difficult questions/challenges get swept up into the same bucket as extreme conspiracy theories (again helped by tribalism). It allows everything that is critical or challenging of/to vaccines to be ignored or ridiculed rather than properly discussed. The issue is that amongst the hundreds of crackpot or extreme conspiracy theories there are actually a handful of truths being suppressed or simply drowned out by the volume of noise! | |||
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"Well a discussion on here would be a start (yes I know it’s a swinger site) but despite asking that same question re max dosage and contracting timeframes in three threads so far, none of the ardently pro-vaccine gang have tackled it! I take that as ostrich head in sand approach (or fingers in ears) - ie nobody wants to actually face up to some uncomfortable truths or have their comfort bubble burst. As someone who rejects tribalism and is neither pro or anti vaccine (but is pro choice) I find this particularly worrying. It’s as if the anti vax trust nobody in authority and the pro vax trust everybody in authority! There’s no room for some common sense and informed debate!" Many of us choose to trust peer-reviewed evidence for what it is, without the need to trust a corrupt leader etc. | |||
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"Isn't it just a case of privileged options restrictions, for the unvaxed, rather than them being forcibly restrained and jabbed? You retain bodily sovereignty etc. " Why though? If everyone tests before entry to clubs, pubs etc that is in fact far safer than simply saying triple vaxxed ok rest not. Because we know being vaxxed does not stop you contracting or spreading but you may be doing so unawares because you have no symptoms! It is the law of unintended consequences. I think we are in a more dangerous place because many/most people who are vaxxed have thrown caution to the wind! | |||
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"Mandatory vaccinations are a definite possibility in the UK. After the PM says there needs to be a 'national conversation' then you can't deny the possibility My question to those that support such measures would be this Would you support physical force to administer vaccines to people. And if not why not If you truly believe the communal good outweighs individual rights I want to now why you baulk at using force for 'the greater good' Do you believe financially punitive level's is more morally acceptable? Pushing people into debt doesn't bother I assume How about imprisonment? Again, would you rather put people into the criminal justice system. And if you did, how would you protect the rights of the vaccinated prisoners? Surely it's not right to endanger them by forcing them into close proximity with those typhoid mary types. (I wonder if you think separate prisons should be built for the unvaxxed? Will you say they should be out in special camps) Most people talking seek to completely dismiss physical violence as a way to force a shot but if you truly think it's the right thing to do, why?" is the government suggesting that the inefficiency of the vaccines is due to the 10% or so that didn’t take the same vaccines in the first instance? Bizarre way of looking at things by making the minority unvaccinated the scape goats. Look what happened in Gibraltar which had 100% of the population vaccinated. | |||
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"Well a discussion on here would be a start (yes I know it’s a swinger site) but despite asking that same question re max dosage and contracting timeframes in three threads so far, none of the ardently pro-vaccine gang have tackled it! I take that as ostrich head in sand approach (or fingers in ears) - ie nobody wants to actually face up to some uncomfortable truths or have their comfort bubble burst. As someone who rejects tribalism and is neither pro or anti vaccine (but is pro choice) I find this particularly worrying. It’s as if the anti vax trust nobody in authority and the pro vax trust everybody in authority! There’s no room for some common sense and informed debate! Many of us choose to trust peer-reviewed evidence for what it is, without the need to trust a corrupt leader etc. " It's the corrupt governments that are funding peer reviewed scientists. | |||
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"To be quite honest it matters not now wether any of us are vaccinated or un .. all I see is alienation and it needs to stop Look at other countries that seem to be ripping up the human rights act over something no more harmful than cold or flu.. The people you were once clapping for at 8pm on a Thursday are now looking for new jobs care workers gone soon the NHS Look at all the small business that have folded look at the rise in food banks etc Look at the growth in millionaires in the last two years I won't forget or let anyone forget about the corruption that's gone on under the cover of c19 anyone care to talk about Midazolam? Or releasing the sick elderly back into care homes What I'm saying now more than ever the country needs to come together as one and say enough is enough The NHS you lockdown to save .. that's almost non existent now So what did we achieve 2 years on Same amount of deaths annually Massive debt Increase in depression and suicide And still people bicker about masks or being jabbed up Look at the bigger picture we are getting dry bummed without our permission For me every single one of us should be out the gate in solidarity for the care and NHS losing thier jobs It's not right freedom of choice I'm sure my Grandfather and great grandfather fought for And it's one of the reasons I signed up many moons ago To protect the sovereign rights and inalienable rights of the people of this land " Hear, hear. It should be the citizens telling the government what to do. Instead, the government has employed behavioural psychologists and the media to tell us what to think. Deeply, deeply corrupting | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother
How can you people not see the psychological warfare, the propaganda, the manipulation, lies and deceit you've been exposed to for the last 21 months? The drip drip feeding and suggestion that government and media have strategically done to get to exactly the point where we are now?
How can you not see that every measure was harmful and counterproductive?
How can you not see that your own pathetic arguments repeatedly contradict themselves?
But most of all, how are you people so blind in how this whole fucking mess we're in is and can be compared to what happened in 1930s Germany and continues to unfold like it?
Have you people heard the speeches that leaders like Mitterrand, the Israeli president, the Canadian premier are making, or the like of Ursula van der Leyen? Like really heard them, listened to them - with what I am saying here in mind? The tactic used of "divide and conquer"!
Do you have any fucking idea what the possible long term ramifications are of the vaccine that may not have been reported yet - and people are thinking about MANDATING a treatment where we have NO LONG TERM FUCKING DATA!!! They want to inject 7 BILLION people with this shit - REPEATEDLY?! Where in their very own words children are not at risk, 80% of the population are asymptomatic (biggest crock of bull for a Coronavirus but hey) or have the sniffles?!
And they want to *possibly* force inject, or penalise with fines or imprison in internment camps perfectly HEALTHY PEOPLE because they are practicing their BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to bodily autonomy?!
Have you any idea what that could mean if things go wrong and they're not the magic bullet they claim to be because they might cause some deteriorative neurological disorder down the line?!
And sure let's keep ignoring the data of reported injuries. Has anybody gone and followed up on the amount of deaths, the amount of long term damage. You all talk about your sick and elderly relatives for whom there are SUCCESSFUL TREATMENTS available which are suppressed to DRIVE the VACCINATION PROCESS!!!
Who gives a fucking shit about these people who's lives have been forever altered? You laugh at us - sure, it's just a needle! IT'S NOT JUST A FUCKING NEEDLE! STOP being so fucking patronising!!!
The amount of "infections" reported daily are NOT infections. They are results from a PCR test which I will repeat again is NOT a diagnostic tool as it CANNOT differentiate if the viral material detected is virulent and infectious or dead remnants from an old, long gone infection or - due to the amplification process - contamination may very well be found!!!
If you people actually believe you're sick when you have no symptoms - I feel sorry for you and extra sorry for the likes of us because there are dark, dark times ahead of us.
Sounds like another antivaxer - she has even hidden her profile - wonder why...
I suggest rather than complaining about the vaccine then produce a viable alternative that does ot include 100s of thousands dying..
Another very informative post, really, fabulous! Well done you. Ingenious how you managed to label me, give yourself a pat on the back!
The fucking treatment is out there and being suppressed to drive the vaccination process - did you read my post?!
Hidden profile? - apart from the fact that it's none of your business - I'm not meeting so I hide my profile. Yis are welcome to hurl the abuse into my inbox though
Peter Doshi PhD on Science without Data Expert Panel on Vaccine Mandates 2nd November 2021 chaired by Senator Ron Johnson
There's no data for covid vaccines, in fact if your interested in 'analysing the data' for the Pfizer trail, you'll have to wait until May 2025 before you can request it.
While we're told to keep following the 'science,' what we are following is not a 'scientific process' based on open data. We are following a process in which the data is treated as a secret and in my view there's something very 'unscientific' about that.
The trial has still not ended.
So is the Senior Editor of BMJ an Anti vaxer???? I think not.
He is not a senior editor and he is not a scientist either and pretty anyone can put something upon the BMJ,if something is total bullocks it generally gets removed eventually once it's peer reviewed. Why cherry pick one guy and then ignore 10s of thousands of equally or more qualified academics who don't agree with your point of view?"Erm... Where's the intelligence or science in just agreeing with what someone else has written? There's a lot of very dodgy pseudo science floating around. But it's also the stuff that is missing and not being questioned. Some of this is learning as we go along, learning by doing. ... Is that not the very definition of an experiment? I mean apparently we didn't know how long the vaccines lasted... So rather than gather that data.. The "scientists" made the assumption it lasts forever or until we tell you something different. There's nothing wrong with admitting we don't know the answer... There's something hugely unscientific in making any assumption that it lasts for a period which is not backed up by any evidence...so now we know (in theory) it's approx 3 months. We could have saved a lot of this if we communicated that 6 months. Rather than blame the 10% who are unvaxxed for the huge infection numbers. | |||
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"Isn't it just a case of privileged options restrictions, for the unvaxed, rather than them being forcibly restrained and jabbed? You retain bodily sovereignty etc. Why though? If everyone tests before entry to clubs, pubs etc that is in fact far safer than simply saying triple vaxxed ok rest not. Because we know being vaxxed does not stop you contracting or spreading but you may be doing so unawares because you have no symptoms! It is the law of unintended consequences. I think we are in a more dangerous place because many/most people who are vaxxed have thrown caution to the wind!" Whereas I believe you have a somewhat relevant argument - though I'm against testing, as I believe it sets a dangerous precedence for the future of "managing" infectious disease, testing is futile IF you believe the reports of the number of false negatives on antigen testing as opposed to the number of false positives in PCR testing. That's the argument I believe the Irish government are using - correct me if I'm wrong. (Apart from vested interests, obviously!). Never mind the impact this kind of use of tests has on the environment. And sure the next lockdowns or restrictions will be due to the effect we have on the planet, mark my words. And, of course, the top argument against this is - there'll be a considerable part of the population without the digital cert which is intended for digital ID to introduce the social credit system - in my opinion!!! THAT is why the drive for vaccination over testing. | |||
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"Diplomacy and common sense should always outweigh any force. Sadly, there are people out there lacking common sense, and instead just want to throw their hat in with the current anti X fad. Force should always be a last resort, and the realisation that to use force is to admit failure. Would your opinion differ if it was a viral hemorrhagic fever, or something other than a “flu”. What about the eradication of small pox? Do you view that as a victory in public health or the evil machinations of world Governments to force vaccinations on poor nations? In other words you support force as a last resort. But before that co-ercion and manipulation will do just fine? Have I understood you correctly? Not force just rubber bullets and tear gas a smidge of pepper spray ha
nobody is changing this women’s opinion I’ve literally watched her fight every argument thrown at her so why bother
How can you people not see the psychological warfare, the propaganda, the manipulation, lies and deceit you've been exposed to for the last 21 months? The drip drip feeding and suggestion that government and media have strategically done to get to exactly the point where we are now?
How can you not see that every measure was harmful and counterproductive?
How can you not see that your own pathetic arguments repeatedly contradict themselves?
But most of all, how are you people so blind in how this whole fucking mess we're in is and can be compared to what happened in 1930s Germany and continues to unfold like it?
Have you people heard the speeches that leaders like Mitterrand, the Israeli president, the Canadian premier are making, or the like of Ursula van der Leyen? Like really heard them, listened to them - with what I am saying here in mind? The tactic used of "divide and conquer"!
Do you have any fucking idea what the possible long term ramifications are of the vaccine that may not have been reported yet - and people are thinking about MANDATING a treatment where we have NO LONG TERM FUCKING DATA!!! They want to inject 7 BILLION people with this shit - REPEATEDLY?! Where in their very own words children are not at risk, 80% of the population are asymptomatic (biggest crock of bull for a Coronavirus but hey) or have the sniffles?!
And they want to *possibly* force inject, or penalise with fines or imprison in internment camps perfectly HEALTHY PEOPLE because they are practicing their BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to bodily autonomy?!
Have you any idea what that could mean if things go wrong and they're not the magic bullet they claim to be because they might cause some deteriorative neurological disorder down the line?!
And sure let's keep ignoring the data of reported injuries. Has anybody gone and followed up on the amount of deaths, the amount of long term damage. You all talk about your sick and elderly relatives for whom there are SUCCESSFUL TREATMENTS available which are suppressed to DRIVE the VACCINATION PROCESS!!!
Who gives a fucking shit about these people who's lives have been forever altered? You laugh at us - sure, it's just a needle! IT'S NOT JUST A FUCKING NEEDLE! STOP being so fucking patronising!!!
The amount of "infections" reported daily are NOT infections. They are results from a PCR test which I will repeat again is NOT a diagnostic tool as it CANNOT differentiate if the viral material detected is virulent and infectious or dead remnants from an old, long gone infection or - due to the amplification process - contamination may very well be found!!!
If you people actually believe you're sick when you have no symptoms - I feel sorry for you and extra sorry for the likes of us because there are dark, dark times ahead of us.
Sounds like another antivaxer - she has even hidden her profile - wonder why...
I suggest rather than complaining about the vaccine then produce a viable alternative that does ot include 100s of thousands dying..
Another very informative post, really, fabulous! Well done you. Ingenious how you managed to label me, give yourself a pat on the back!
The fucking treatment is out there and being suppressed to drive the vaccination process - did you read my post?!
Hidden profile? - apart from the fact that it's none of your business - I'm not meeting so I hide my profile. Yis are welcome to hurl the abuse into my inbox though
Peter Doshi PhD on Science without Data Expert Panel on Vaccine Mandates 2nd November 2021 chaired by Senator Ron Johnson
There's no data for covid vaccines, in fact if your interested in 'analysing the data' for the Pfizer trail, you'll have to wait until May 2025 before you can request it.
While we're told to keep following the 'science,' what we are following is not a 'scientific process' based on open data. We are following a process in which the data is treated as a secret and in my view there's something very 'unscientific' about that.
The trial has still not ended.
So is the Senior Editor of BMJ an Anti vaxer???? I think not.
He is not a senior editor and he is not a scientist either and pretty anyone can put something upon the BMJ,if something is total bullocks it generally gets removed eventually once it's peer reviewed. Why cherry pick one guy and then ignore 10s of thousands of equally or more qualified academics who don't agree with your point of view?
Erm... Where's the intelligence or science in just agreeing with what someone else has written? There's a lot of very dodgy pseudo science floating around. But it's also the stuff that is missing and not being questioned. Some of this is learning as we go along, learning by doing. ... Is that not the very definition of an experiment?
I mean apparently we didn't know how long the vaccines lasted... So rather than gather that data.. The "scientists" made the assumption it lasts forever or until we tell you something different. There's nothing wrong with admitting we don't know the answer... There's something hugely unscientific in making any assumption that it lasts for a period which is not backed up by any evidence...so now we know (in theory) it's approx 3 months. We could have saved a lot of this if we communicated that 6 months. Rather than blame the 10% who are unvaxxed for the huge infection numbers. "But for something we don't know enough about there's already a drive for talking about mandates, not only in Europe! So we go and vaccinate the world population over and over again until we have clarity?! | |||
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"It's now perfect clear that treatments such as hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, vitamin D, zinc etc have been discredited in an organised way... involving the government, media etc. Frightened ordinary citizens have also been weaponised to ridicule people who do want to talk about treatments. As a society we have to get to the bottom of this. There must be full inquiries" these treatments were torn to shreds and dismissed because Emergency use approval for the vaccines can only be given if there are no alternative medical treatment available. So it was a focused effort to discredit these medicines, and anyone who advocated that they could be used as treatment. This then paved the way to authorise emergency use of the vaccines to the joys of big Pharma. I mean ivermectin which is very effective has a proven safety record costs literally penny’s to make so there was no way that was going to be recognised as a potential treatment and ruin the opportunity to cash in on the vaccines - and the booster jabs for years to come. | |||
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"It's now perfect clear that treatments such as hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, vitamin D, zinc etc have been discredited in an organised way... involving the government, media etc. Frightened ordinary citizens have also been weaponised to ridicule people who do want to talk about treatments. As a society we have to get to the bottom of this. There must be full inquiriesthese treatments were torn to shreds and dismissed because Emergency use approval for the vaccines can only be given if there are no alternative medical treatment available. So it was a focused effort to discredit these medicines, and anyone who advocated that they could be used as treatment. This then paved the way to authorise emergency use of the vaccines to the joys of big Pharma. I mean ivermectin which is very effective has a proven safety record costs literally penny’s to make so there was no way that was going to be recognised as a potential treatment and ruin the opportunity to cash in on the vaccines - and the booster jabs for years to come. " HQC was on the World health organisation top ten list of recommended treatments for 70 years absolutely super safe Then miraculously removed circa c19 due to the fact it was tested on patients near end of life and larger than recommended dosage Subsequent deaths recorded enough to make hqc unsafe .. Fda eventually back tracked All fact all checkable | |||
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"Also interesting is that Ivermectin was made by a company called Maerk(sp?) but it was out of patent and therefore would not generate them any money. They were about to introduce their own new treatment (pills) for Covid so they themselves discredited Ivermectin." It's Merck that held the patent but now out of patent. They still make it and sell quite a lot of it, as an animal dewormer. For human use in more established markets other newer similar drugs tend be used instead mainly due to less side effects. Obviously it doesn't work against covid and some of side effects can be pretty nasty too. | |||
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"It's now perfect clear that treatments such as hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, vitamin D, zinc etc have been discredited in an organised way... involving the government, media etc. Frightened ordinary citizens have also been weaponised to ridicule people who do want to talk about treatments. As a society we have to get to the bottom of this. There must be full inquiriesthese treatments were torn to shreds and dismissed because Emergency use approval for the vaccines can only be given if there are no alternative medical treatment available. So it was a focused effort to discredit these medicines, and anyone who advocated that they could be used as treatment. This then paved the way to authorise emergency use of the vaccines to the joys of big Pharma. I mean ivermectin which is very effective has a proven safety record costs literally penny’s to make so there was no way that was going to be recognised as a potential treatment and ruin the opportunity to cash in on the vaccines - and the booster jabs for years to come. HQC was on the World health organisation top ten list of recommended treatments for 70 years absolutely super safe Then miraculously removed circa c19 due to the fact it was tested on patients near end of life and larger than recommended dosage Subsequent deaths recorded enough to make hqc unsafe .. Fda eventually back tracked All fact all checkable " HQC is still ok to use for things like lupus in prescribed amounts. Chronic unprescribed use can cause all sorts of nasty side effects and it of course doesn't work against covid. | |||
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"Also interesting is that Ivermectin was made by a company called Maerk(sp?) but it was out of patent and therefore would not generate them any money. They were about to introduce their own new treatment (pills) for Covid so they themselves discredited Ivermectin. It's Merck that held the patent but now out of patent. They still make it and sell quite a lot of it, as an animal dewormer. For human use in more established markets other newer similar drugs tend be used instead mainly due to less side effects. Obviously it doesn't work against covid and some of side effects can be pretty nasty too." It obviously does work against coronavirus. I suspect you've read the BBC version. The BBC version took a paper written by a student that referred to problems in 9 out of 27 tests. The BBC reported this uncritically without either them or the student saying what those problems were...and neither acknowledging that 18 of those tests could be criticised | |||
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"It's now perfect clear that treatments such as hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, vitamin D, zinc etc have been discredited in an organised way... involving the government, media etc. Frightened ordinary citizens have also been weaponised to ridicule people who do want to talk about treatments. As a society we have to get to the bottom of this. There must be full inquiriesthese treatments were torn to shreds and dismissed because Emergency use approval for the vaccines can only be given if there are no alternative medical treatment available. So it was a focused effort to discredit these medicines, and anyone who advocated that they could be used as treatment. This then paved the way to authorise emergency use of the vaccines to the joys of big Pharma. I mean ivermectin which is very effective has a proven safety record costs literally penny’s to make so there was no way that was going to be recognised as a potential treatment and ruin the opportunity to cash in on the vaccines - and the booster jabs for years to come. HQC was on the World health organisation top ten list of recommended treatments for 70 years absolutely super safe Then miraculously removed circa c19 due to the fact it was tested on patients near end of life and larger than recommended dosage Subsequent deaths recorded enough to make hqc unsafe .. Fda eventually back tracked All fact all checkable HQC is still ok to use for things like lupus in prescribed amounts. Chronic unprescribed use can cause all sorts of nasty side effects and it of course doesn't work against covid." Hydroxychloroquine was deliberately failed because dosages prescribed we're 8 times as high as they should have been. They were also given when the patients were nearer to death than they should have been. Neither we're they administered with zinc as they should have been. Health authorities in Singapore and India wrote to the WHO about this but we're ignored | |||
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"It's now perfect clear that treatments such as hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, vitamin D, zinc etc have been discredited in an organised way... involving the government, media etc. Frightened ordinary citizens have also been weaponised to ridicule people who do want to talk about treatments. As a society we have to get to the bottom of this. There must be full inquiriesthese treatments were torn to shreds and dismissed because Emergency use approval for the vaccines can only be given if there are no alternative medical treatment available. So it was a focused effort to discredit these medicines, and anyone who advocated that they could be used as treatment. This then paved the way to authorise emergency use of the vaccines to the joys of big Pharma. I mean ivermectin which is very effective has a proven safety record costs literally penny’s to make so there was no way that was going to be recognised as a potential treatment and ruin the opportunity to cash in on the vaccines - and the booster jabs for years to come. HQC was on the World health organisation top ten list of recommended treatments for 70 years absolutely super safe Then miraculously removed circa c19 due to the fact it was tested on patients near end of life and larger than recommended dosage Subsequent deaths recorded enough to make hqc unsafe .. Fda eventually back tracked All fact all checkable HQC is still ok to use for things like lupus in prescribed amounts. Chronic unprescribed use can cause all sorts of nasty side effects and it of course doesn't work against covid. Hydroxychloroquine was deliberately failed because dosages prescribed we're 8 times as high as they should have been. They were also given when the patients were nearer to death than they should have been. Neither we're they administered with zinc as they should have been. Health authorities in Singapore and India wrote to the WHO about this but we're ignored" There have been many many trials and none have shown any effect on covid. The side effects are not good so it would have to be a pretty effective drug to be used and it showed nothing. | |||
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"Anyone else get the feeling that more and more people are questioning the official narrative?" No you need to take the blinkers off | |||
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"It's now perfect clear that treatments such as hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, vitamin D, zinc etc have been discredited in an organised way... involving the government, media etc. Frightened ordinary citizens have also been weaponised to ridicule people who do want to talk about treatments. As a society we have to get to the bottom of this. There must be full inquiriesthese treatments were torn to shreds and dismissed because Emergency use approval for the vaccines can only be given if there are no alternative medical treatment available. So it was a focused effort to discredit these medicines, and anyone who advocated that they could be used as treatment. This then paved the way to authorise emergency use of the vaccines to the joys of big Pharma. I mean ivermectin which is very effective has a proven safety record costs literally penny’s to make so there was no way that was going to be recognised as a potential treatment and ruin the opportunity to cash in on the vaccines - and the booster jabs for years to come. HQC was on the World health organisation top ten list of recommended treatments for 70 years absolutely super safe Then miraculously removed circa c19 due to the fact it was tested on patients near end of life and larger than recommended dosage Subsequent deaths recorded enough to make hqc unsafe .. Fda eventually back tracked All fact all checkable HQC is still ok to use for things like lupus in prescribed amounts. Chronic unprescribed use can cause all sorts of nasty side effects and it of course doesn't work against covid. Hydroxychloroquine was deliberately failed because dosages prescribed we're 8 times as high as they should have been. They were also given when the patients were nearer to death than they should have been. Neither we're they administered with zinc as they should have been. Health authorities in Singapore and India wrote to the WHO about this but we're ignored There have been many many trials and none have shown any effect on covid. The side effects are not good so it would have to be a pretty effective drug to be used and it showed nothing." You are completely wrong. Also, side effects are minimal if the right dose is administered...and certainly far less than those of the vaccines where the risk of heart attacks/angina now appears to be more than doubled. HCQ has been around for approximately 70 years and ivermectin won Nobel Prize in 2015. Of course, emergency approval could only be granted for the vaccines if governments could claim that no other treatments were possible... | |||
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"Anyone else get the feeling that more and more people are questioning the official narrative? No you need to take the blinkers off" I've taken them off. I nevt had them on act What about you? | |||
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"Anyone else get the feeling that more and more people are questioning the official narrative? No you need to take the blinkers off I've taken them off. I nevt had them on act What about you?" My blinkers are kept for the racehorse But I do wear glasses What about you? | |||
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"Anyone else get the feeling that more and more people are questioning the official narrative? No you need to take the blinkers off I've taken them off. I nevt had them on act What about you? My blinkers are kept for the racehorse But I do wear glasses What about you?" I am clear-sighted, thank you | |||
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"It's now perfect clear that treatments such as hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, vitamin D, zinc etc have been discredited in an organised way... involving the government, media etc. Frightened ordinary citizens have also been weaponised to ridicule people who do want to talk about treatments. As a society we have to get to the bottom of this. There must be full inquiriesthese treatments were torn to shreds and dismissed because Emergency use approval for the vaccines can only be given if there are no alternative medical treatment available. So it was a focused effort to discredit these medicines, and anyone who advocated that they could be used as treatment. This then paved the way to authorise emergency use of the vaccines to the joys of big Pharma. I mean ivermectin which is very effective has a proven safety record costs literally penny’s to make so there was no way that was going to be recognised as a potential treatment and ruin the opportunity to cash in on the vaccines - and the booster jabs for years to come. HQC was on the World health organisation top ten list of recommended treatments for 70 years absolutely super safe Then miraculously removed circa c19 due to the fact it was tested on patients near end of life and larger than recommended dosage Subsequent deaths recorded enough to make hqc unsafe .. Fda eventually back tracked All fact all checkable HQC is still ok to use for things like lupus in prescribed amounts. Chronic unprescribed use can cause all sorts of nasty side effects and it of course doesn't work against covid. Hydroxychloroquine was deliberately failed because dosages prescribed we're 8 times as high as they should have been. They were also given when the patients were nearer to death than they should have been. Neither we're they administered with zinc as they should have been. Health authorities in Singapore and India wrote to the WHO about this but we're ignored" this doesn’t surprise me in the least; it’s vaccines only show in town. | |||
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What will happen when employers put it in your contract you must of had the vaccines and proof."Whom you aiming it at .. I'll walk its called having a backbone.. Shame the majority of the country sold out for a pint or holiday because let's face it not many of you had it for health reasons and do not lie | |||
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Whom you aiming it at .. I'll walk its called having a backbone.. Shame the majority of the country sold out for a pint or holiday because let's face it not many of you had it for health reasons and do not lie "It was to anyone .I do not know where you are coming from. I had it for health reasons. | |||
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Whom you aiming it at .. I'll walk its called having a backbone.. Shame the majority of the country sold out for a pint or holiday because let's face it not many of you had it for health reasons and do not lie "I haven't been on holiday since 2017 and if I never entered a pub again I'd be perfectly content. Hate beer. I recognise I'm not immortal, I'm not getting younger, and I have no interest in risking people around me. I also don't mind why anyone did it, presumably it's none of our business? | |||
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Whom you aiming it at .. I'll walk its called having a backbone.. Shame the majority of the country sold out for a pint or holiday because let's face it not many of you had it for health reasons and do not lie
I haven't been on holiday since 2017 and if I never entered a pub again I'd be perfectly content. Hate beer.
I recognise I'm not immortal, I'm not getting younger, and I have no interest in risking people around me.
I also don't mind why anyone did it, presumably it's none of our business?"exactly none of anyone's business If they choose to wear a mask or not be injected or not but the Gov and its propaganda have tried and at times successfully turned the people against each other | |||
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"All good then
What will happen when employers put it in your contract you must of had the vaccines and proof.
Whom you aiming it at .. I'll walk its called having a backbone.. Shame the majority of the country sold out for a pint or holiday because let's face it not many of you had it for health reasons and do not lie
I haven't been on holiday since 2017 and if I never entered a pub again I'd be perfectly content. Hate beer.
I recognise I'm not immortal, I'm not getting younger, and I have no interest in risking people around me.
I also don't mind why anyone did it, presumably it's none of our business?exactly none of anyone's business If they choose to wear a mask or not be injected or not but the Gov and its propaganda have tried and at times successfully turned the people against each other "That's not what I said, is it? If someone is vaccinated to get ratfaced in Spain, they're just as vaccinated as someone who did it for their health. Result is the same. Vaccination reduces transmission and healthcare burden over the population. If someone refuses to mitigate against disease, that matters. Society has some flexibility for vulnerability and medical exemption, but clearly the situation we have isn't sustainable, and something will have to give. | |||
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What will happen when employers put it in your contract you must of had the vaccines and proof.
Whom you aiming it at .. I'll walk its called having a backbone.. Shame the majority of the country sold out for a pint or holiday because let's face it not many of you had it for health reasons and do not lie
I haven't been on holiday since 2017 and if I never entered a pub again I'd be perfectly content. Hate beer.
I recognise I'm not immortal, I'm not getting younger, and I have no interest in risking people around me.
I also don't mind why anyone did it, presumably it's none of our business?exactly none of anyone's business If they choose to wear a mask or not be injected or not but the Gov and its propaganda have tried and at times successfully turned the people against each other
That's not what I said, is it?
If someone is vaccinated to get ratfaced in Spain, they're just as vaccinated as someone who did it for their health. Result is the same. Vaccination reduces transmission and healthcare burden over the population.
If someone refuses to mitigate against disease, that matters. Society has some flexibility for vulnerability and medical exemption, but clearly the situation we have isn't sustainable, and something will have to give. "People are believing the vaccine/lockdown narrative less and less. Ofcom has got the broadcast companies not to broadcast anything that goes against the official narrative. That is why so many people are genuinely unaware of other interpretations. But more and more people suspect that something isn't right | |||
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What will happen when employers put it in your contract you must of had the vaccines and proof.
Whom you aiming it at .. I'll walk its called having a backbone.. Shame the majority of the country sold out for a pint or holiday because let's face it not many of you had it for health reasons and do not lie
I haven't been on holiday since 2017 and if I never entered a pub again I'd be perfectly content. Hate beer.
I recognise I'm not immortal, I'm not getting younger, and I have no interest in risking people around me.
I also don't mind why anyone did it, presumably it's none of our business?exactly none of anyone's business If they choose to wear a mask or not be injected or not but the Gov and its propaganda have tried and at times successfully turned the people against each other
That's not what I said, is it?
If someone is vaccinated to get ratfaced in Spain, they're just as vaccinated as someone who did it for their health. Result is the same. Vaccination reduces transmission and healthcare burden over the population.
If someone refuses to mitigate against disease, that matters. Society has some flexibility for vulnerability and medical exemption, but clearly the situation we have isn't sustainable, and something will have to give.
People are believing the vaccine/lockdown narrative less and less.
Ofcom has got the broadcast companies not to broadcast anything that goes against the official narrative. That is why so many people are genuinely unaware of other interpretations.
But more and more people suspect that something isn't right"I'm glad you think the virus is capable of giving a damn about what the general population believe. | |||
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"All I've got to add is the minute you have to start proving your medical history for everyday life Freedom went out the window.. its nothing more than cold or flu The mask was about compliance now look at the threats coming your way if you don't have your third injection 2 year in no mask no jab .. mixed with 1000s up and down the country Don't start with asymptomatic poppy cock either Pcr and lateral flow cannot determine you have c19 So prey tell how they are finding new variables when the very first has never been truly fully isolated Fact One other that beggars belief if you wear a mask to stop the spread because you carry the germs in your spit Why the need to shove something up your nose and throat surely sputum would be enough Also each month for the last 12 there have been world wide rallies in all major cities millions have been in attendance.. where are the massive spikes in cases I'm not saying people aren't getting ill and I'm not saying people haven't died I'm saying our government amongst others are telling lies and lining pockets.. After how many of these injections will it take for you to start questioning what you are being fed " whoa slow down with the critical thinking and pointing out facts, you'll be labelled an anti vaxxer/tin foil hat wearer.
the best one is the asymptomatic bollocks though.
Never have we ever had asymptomatic viruses.
The human immune system/body will tell you if somethings wrong. Then you go get checked to confirm.
Trying to tell me after 1000's of years of evolution, one dangerous virus managed to mutate and remain in the body undetected?!
lol.
might aswell go to the cemetery and check if i died later this evening, just to make sure im still alive or not.
asymptomatic,
it's the driving force/farce behind everything. Wouldn't be bothered about masks, testing and all the other shite if they were honest and said asymptomatic transmission is rare.
oh wait The W.H.O. did say that......
media silence.
Doesn't fit the narrative.
cant justify everything they've done so they're just rolling with the continuous lies.
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"All I've got to add is the minute you have to start proving your medical history for everyday life Freedom went out the window.. its nothing more than cold or flu The mask was about compliance now look at the threats coming your way if you don't have your third injection 2 year in no mask no jab .. mixed with 1000s up and down the country Don't start with asymptomatic poppy cock either Pcr and lateral flow cannot determine you have c19 So prey tell how they are finding new variables when the very first has never been truly fully isolated Fact One other that beggars belief if you wear a mask to stop the spread because you carry the germs in your spit Why the need to shove something up your nose and throat surely sputum would be enough Also each month for the last 12 there have been world wide rallies in all major cities millions have been in attendance.. where are the massive spikes in cases I'm not saying people aren't getting ill and I'm not saying people haven't died I'm saying our government amongst others are telling lies and lining pockets.. After how many of these injections will it take for you to start questioning what you are being fed whoa slow down with the critical thinking and pointing out facts, you'll be labelled an anti vaxxer/tin foil hat wearer.
the best one is the asymptomatic bollocks though.
Never have we ever had asymptomatic viruses.
The human immune system/body will tell you if somethings wrong. Then you go get checked to confirm.
Trying to tell me after 1000's of years of evolution, one dangerous virus managed to mutate and remain in the body undetected?!
lol.
might aswell go to the cemetery and check if i died later this evening, just to make sure im still alive or not.
asymptomatic,
it's the driving force/farce behind everything. Wouldn't be bothered about masks, testing and all the other shite if they were honest and said asymptomatic transmission is rare.
oh wait The W.H.O. did say that......
media silence.
Doesn't fit the narrative.
cant justify everything they've done so they're just rolling with the continuous lies.
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"You wear a mask to protect over people not yourselfYOU wear a mask because you believe in the gov propaganda if you are injected and test why the need for a mask hmmmm " because of the asymptomatic lie. I dont remember testing everyday and wearing masks incase i had flu. if i did have the flu (never had it in my life or known anyone to ever have it, maybe i just hang around with healthy people? i have had the common cold a few times in my life, less times than i count on both hands thats for sure.) i'd stay home instead of infecting people/giving out the cold. so this whole mask wearing nonsense makes no sense. Why should i wear a mask everywhere when i dont have the virus? The absolute mental gymnastics at play here is astounding and i blame the media. | |||
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"We can’t do nothing to those who won’t take it. Just let them get on with it and take your own steps to stay safe, if the virus kills them it kills them , and they should be refused medical treatment unless they are unable to have vaccine for medical reasons ,I look on them as the same sort that would get behind the wheel d*unk , If they have no regard for there own health they certainly won’t have any for yours , This whole “the unvaccinated shouldn’t get medical treatment” gets wheeled out regularly without considering what that truly means. We have had Covid in the world for two years. It hit the UK (as far as we know) in Feb/Mar 2020. We KNOW that people who smoke or people who are overweight/obese are at significantly higher risk of getting serious Covid symptoms and ending up hospitalised, needing ICU or dying. And yet how many people have taken personal responsibility over the last 12-18mths to give up smoking, lose weight, get fit, improve their diet, reduce alcohol consumption etc? Are you proposing withholding medical treatment from them? " | |||
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"You wear a mask to protect over people not yourself I wear an FFP2, so - both." ffp3 you'll need and not one with a valve on the side people wearing those make me laugh especially when they tell me it's to protect me .. the valve emits exhaust gases ie your breath your trying to save me from .. ask yourself this do I feel ill .. answer no do you test and are you injected if answer yes to all 3 you are scared by your government.. did you stop waering it when the Gov said you didn't have too .. if you didn't please go seek counselling you are suffering from mental abuse | |||
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"You wear a mask to protect over people not yourselfYOU wear a mask because you believe in the gov propaganda if you are injected and test why the need for a mask hmmmm because of the asymptomatic lie. I dont remember testing everyday and wearing masks incase i had flu. if i did have the flu (never had it in my life or known anyone to ever have it, maybe i just hang around with healthy people? i have had the common cold a few times in my life, less times than i count on both hands thats for sure.) i'd stay home instead of infecting people/giving out the cold. so this whole mask wearing nonsense makes no sense. Why should i wear a mask everywhere when i dont have the virus? The absolute mental gymnastics at play here is astounding and i blame the media. " I don’t think how heathy you are has any bearing on that it stops you contracting influenza, I’m sure that you don’t get an invisible protection around you because you walk to work and have your five a day. Yes it will probably help you deal with it once contracted but that’s about it | |||
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"You wear a mask to protect over people not yourself I wear an FFP2, so - both.ffp3 you'll need and not one with a valve on the side people wearing those make me laugh especially when they tell me it's to protect me .. the valve emits exhaust gases ie your breath your trying to save me from .. ask yourself this do I feel ill .. answer no do you test and are you injected if answer yes to all 3 you are scared by your government.. did you stop waering it when the Gov said you didn't have too .. if you didn't please go seek counselling you are suffering from mental abuse " I will give your insight into my mental status the consideration it deserves. | |||
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"You wear a mask to protect over people not yourself I wear an FFP2, so - both.ffp3 you'll need and not one with a valve on the side people wearing those make me laugh especially when they tell me it's to protect me .. the valve emits exhaust gases ie your breath your trying to save me from .. ask yourself this do I feel ill .. answer no do you test and are you injected if answer yes to all 3 you are scared by your government.. did you stop waering it when the Gov said you didn't have too .. if you didn't please go seek counselling you are suffering from mental abuse I will give your insight into my mental status the consideration it deserves." I was actually being considerate .. I can find you a well written article merely an opinion but very succinctly sums up the relationship between the public whom believe every aspect of the Narrative and the government.. its gaslighigting what the Gov have done part of the Sage Team are behavioural scientists propaganda and brainwashing have been used If you think I'm talking out my hoop .. I was brainwashed I know about propaganda and psyops .. I was once part of the system | |||
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"You wear a mask to protect over people not yourself I wear an FFP2, so - both.ffp3 you'll need and not one with a valve on the side people wearing those make me laugh especially when they tell me it's to protect me .. the valve emits exhaust gases ie your breath your trying to save me from .. ask yourself this do I feel ill .. answer no do you test and are you injected if answer yes to all 3 you are scared by your government.. did you stop waering it when the Gov said you didn't have too .. if you didn't please go seek counselling you are suffering from mental abuse I will give your insight into my mental status the consideration it deserves. I was actually being considerate .. I can find you a well written article merely an opinion but very succinctly sums up the relationship between the public whom believe every aspect of the Narrative and the government.. its gaslighigting what the Gov have done part of the Sage Team are behavioural scientists propaganda and brainwashing have been used If you think I'm talking out my hoop .. I was brainwashed I know about propaganda and psyops .. I was once part of the system " Ok. I'm not interested, thank you. I have made my own decisions and will continue to do so. You may frame that however you like, and it will have the effect on me that you might expect given the depths of our relationship. | |||
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"You wear a mask to protect over people not yourself I wear an FFP2, so - both.ffp3 you'll need and not one with a valve on the side people wearing those make me laugh especially when they tell me it's to protect me .. the valve emits exhaust gases ie your breath your trying to save me from .. ask yourself this do I feel ill .. answer no do you test and are you injected if answer yes to all 3 you are scared by your government.. did you stop waering it when the Gov said you didn't have too .. if you didn't please go seek counselling you are suffering from mental abuse I will give your insight into my mental status the consideration it deserves. I was actually being considerate .. I can find you a well written article merely an opinion but very succinctly sums up the relationship between the public whom believe every aspect of the Narrative and the government.. its gaslighigting what the Gov have done part of the Sage Team are behavioural scientists propaganda and brainwashing have been used If you think I'm talking out my hoop .. I was brainwashed I know about propaganda and psyops .. I was once part of the system Ok. I'm not interested, thank you. I have made my own decisions and will continue to do so. You may frame that however you like, and it will have the effect on me that you might expect given the depths of our relationship." most definitely a verbal finger .. no worries hope you use it to your advantage | |||
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"You wear a mask to protect over people not yourself I wear an FFP2, so - both.ffp3 you'll need and not one with a valve on the side people wearing those make me laugh especially when they tell me it's to protect me .. the valve emits exhaust gases ie your breath your trying to save me from .. ask yourself this do I feel ill .. answer no do you test and are you injected if answer yes to all 3 you are scared by your government.. did you stop waering it when the Gov said you didn't have too .. if you didn't please go seek counselling you are suffering from mental abuse I will give your insight into my mental status the consideration it deserves. I was actually being considerate .. I can find you a well written article merely an opinion but very succinctly sums up the relationship between the public whom believe every aspect of the Narrative and the government.. its gaslighigting what the Gov have done part of the Sage Team are behavioural scientists propaganda and brainwashing have been used If you think I'm talking out my hoop .. I was brainwashed I know about propaganda and psyops .. I was once part of the system Ok. I'm not interested, thank you. I have made my own decisions and will continue to do so. You may frame that however you like, and it will have the effect on me that you might expect given the depths of our relationship.most definitely a verbal finger .. no worries hope you use it to your advantage " It's easier to convince someone of a lie than it is to convince them they've been lied to | |||
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"@Trulydelicious - I haven’t seem the data but from personal experience I know the LFT are not accurate (convinced I had Covid but consistently tested negative so went for PCR and yep, had Covid - delta). However, they are a tool in the armoury and arguably better than nothing right? Perhaps someone can develop a better test? My specific point was that segregating based on vaccine status is clearly ineffective as a means to stop Covid spreading as the vaccinated still contract and spread the virus but may also be doing so unknowingly due to reduced symptoms (ie they don’t know they are ill). I was interested in your point on PCRs picking up virus “matter” regardless if whether it is live or from a historic infection. That too is deeply concerning! " Do you mind me asking how it was confirmed through a PCR test that you were infected with the "Delta" variant? This would imply that the PCR tests are not generic tests but that they are adjusted and manufactured accordingly to look for the particular genome sequencing that makes the variant the delta variant rather than any other that might be circulating? And frankly, that's something I'd find difficult to believe! As for the PCR test, yes, it picks up viral matter but cannot distinguish between live (virulent and infectious) or dead matter. This was even reported in the BBC back in September last year with reference to the Center of Evidence Based Medicine University of Oxford. Also, the inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, has clearly stated that the PCR test is not a diagnostic tool. Apparently there was a huge amount of controversy around its use in the detection of HIV. | |||
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"You wear a mask to protect over people not yourselfYOU wear a mask because you believe in the gov propaganda if you are injected and test why the need for a mask hmmmm To protect you "but if you test neg and are injected pre tell what it is you are protecting me from ,, crooked teeth , bad breath | |||
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"When you say peer reviewed have you looked at any counter reviews have you heard of such a thing as the Barrington declaration or the freedom medical alliance " America's Frontline Doctors is another organisation which has formed in response to how Covid has been mishandled. | |||
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"You wear a mask to protect over people not yourselfYOU wear a mask because you believe in the gov propaganda if you are injected and test why the need for a mask hmmmm because of the asymptomatic lie. I dont remember testing everyday and wearing masks incase i had flu. if i did have the flu (never had it in my life or known anyone to ever have it, maybe i just hang around with healthy people? i have had the common cold a few times in my life, less times than i count on both hands thats for sure.) i'd stay home instead of infecting people/giving out the cold. so this whole mask wearing nonsense makes no sense. Why should i wear a mask everywhere when i dont have the virus? The absolute mental gymnastics at play here is astounding and i blame the media. I don’t think how heathy you are has any bearing on that it stops you contracting influenza, I’m sure that you don’t get an invisible protection around you because you walk to work and have your five a day. Yes it will probably help you deal with it once contracted but that’s about it " completely missed the point and cherry picked one segment of my reply and assigned your assumption of meaning to it. clever clogs.
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"Ffp3 or 2 won't work with facial hair as both rely on a seal Facial hair prevents a secure seal being made so might aswell pop a hanky over your face" if you are aiming that at me it's wasted.. one I know all about the use of face masks and two I don't wear one .. I prefer to use what I always have done .. Stay in bed if I'm ill if I cough or sneeze ill use that age old thing at the end of my arm to cover said orifices then clean said things at end of arms .. A mask is useless in preventing or contracting unless its fully face fitted and ffP3 and then single use mostly and not to be worn continuously | |||
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"I think we should have a conversation about locking up Boris and his cronies before we talk about locking up anyone else " YES, YES, YES! BoJO wouldn't even wear a mask in that hospital, he was in a few weeks ago. | |||
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"@Trulydelicious - I haven’t seem the data but from personal experience I know the LFT are not accurate (convinced I had Covid but consistently tested negative so went for PCR and yep, had Covid - delta). However, they are a tool in the armoury and arguably better than nothing right? Perhaps someone can develop a better test? My specific point was that segregating based on vaccine status is clearly ineffective as a means to stop Covid spreading as the vaccinated still contract and spread the virus but may also be doing so unknowingly due to reduced symptoms (ie they don’t know they are ill). I was interested in your point on PCRs picking up virus “matter” regardless if whether it is live or from a historic infection. That too is deeply concerning! Do you mind me asking how it was confirmed through a PCR test that you were infected with the "Delta" variant? This would imply that the PCR tests are not generic tests but that they are adjusted and manufactured accordingly to look for the particular genome sequencing that makes the variant the delta variant rather than any other that might be circulating? And frankly, that's something I'd find difficult to believe! As for the PCR test, yes, it picks up viral matter but cannot distinguish between live (virulent and infectious) or dead matter. This was even reported in the BBC back in September last year with reference to the Center of Evidence Based Medicine University of Oxford. Also, the inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, has clearly stated that the PCR test is not a diagnostic tool. Apparently there was a huge amount of controversy around its use in the detection of HIV. " You're correct about the PCR tests. It's been known since Day One that they can't tell the difference between live and dead matter. Very inaccurate | |||
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"There's no question of using physical force. Nobody's going to hold people down. The unvaccinated will be subjected to all kinds of restrictions and even possibly fines. This is medical apartheid. This country has lost its mind. unvaccinated being taken to camps to be held, and the aboriginals in australia being rounded up by military forced into vaccination or taken away as we speak. "German euthanasia clinics refusing 'unvaccinated' customers. Yes, let that 'SINK' in, it seems like you can't kill yourself in 2021, unless you've been vaccinated. How can this be justified?, denying people the right to relieve their pain and suffering with dignity This is disgusting and its shameful and I don't want any part of this insanity. Right now there's a 'crisis of compassion' and the lack of, is taking us down a long dark road. And it won't end well. How can you 'defend' that, did you all 'binge' out on 'Dystopian' movies during lockdowns? In the end we will remember not the words of our enemies but the silence of our friends. Martin Luther King  | |||
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"You wear a mask to protect over people not yourselfYOU wear a mask because you believe in the gov propaganda if you are injected and test why the need for a mask hmmmm To protect you but if you test neg and are injected pre tell what it is you are protecting me from ,, crooked teeth , bad breath "Haters will always hate.Waste of space talking to you | |||
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"You wear a mask to protect over people not yourself I wear an FFP2, so - both.ffp3 you'll need and not one with a valve on the side people wearing those make me laugh especially when they tell me it's to protect me .. the valve emits exhaust gases ie your breath your trying to save me from .. ask yourself this do I feel ill .. answer no do you test and are you injected if answer yes to all 3 you are scared by your government.. did you stop waering it when the Gov said you didn't have too .. if you didn't please go seek counselling you are suffering from mental abuse I will give your insight into my mental status the consideration it deserves. I was actually being considerate .. I can find you a well written article merely an opinion but very succinctly sums up the relationship between the public whom believe every aspect of the Narrative and the government.. its gaslighigting what the Gov have done part of the Sage Team are behavioural scientists propaganda and brainwashing have been used If you think I'm talking out my hoop .. I was brainwashed I know about propaganda and psyops .. I was once part of the system Ok. I'm not interested, thank you. I have made my own decisions and will continue to do so. You may frame that however you like, and it will have the effect on me that you might expect given the depths of our relationship.most definitely a verbal finger .. no worries hope you use it to your advantage It's easier to convince someone of a lie than it is to convince them they've been lied to" The wearing of FFP2 masks is heavily regulated in countries like Germany. A risk assessment has to be carried out by the employer of the person wearing it to establish that they are "fit" to wear it. The person wearing it has to be trained in how to correctly wear it and breaks have to be taken very frequently! My understanding is that the resistance of fabric masks has been calculated to be similar to those in FFP2 masks and therefore "should" fall under the same heavy regulations ie a risk assessment needs to be carried out for any individual wearing these for long term use! Face coverings fall into the category of PPE which is considered a medical intervention and require informed consent from the person wearing it! Nuremberg Code!!! | |||
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Haters will always hate.Waste of space talking to you"On the contrary I don't hate .. and the waste of time my friend is mine replying to someone who just won't admit you've been mugged off and are wrong... Especially over masks .. | |||
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"Some people probably think sane about condoms Everyone has an opinion but if a mask helps reduce the spread to others is it really such a bad thing Especially in enclosed spaces with low ventilation Not really a hardship are they" They were the start of all this compliance crap so yes it is a big deal Started with a mask now 3 injection deep people losing jobs and soon the health passport | |||
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Haters will always hate.Waste of space talking to you
On the contrary I don't hate .. and the waste of time my friend is mine replying to someone who just won't admit you've been mugged off and are wrong...
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"@Trulydelicious - I haven’t seem the data but from personal experience I know the LFT are not accurate (convinced I had Covid but consistently tested negative so went for PCR and yep, had Covid - delta). However, they are a tool in the armoury and arguably better than nothing right? Perhaps someone can develop a better test? My specific point was that segregating based on vaccine status is clearly ineffective as a means to stop Covid spreading as the vaccinated still contract and spread the virus but may also be doing so unknowingly due to reduced symptoms (ie they don’t know they are ill). I was interested in your point on PCRs picking up virus “matter” regardless if whether it is live or from a historic infection. That too is deeply concerning! Do you mind me asking how it was confirmed through a PCR test that you were infected with the "Delta" variant? This would imply that the PCR tests are not generic tests but that they are adjusted and manufactured accordingly to look for the particular genome sequencing that makes the variant the delta variant rather than any other that might be circulating? And frankly, that's something I'd find difficult to believe! As for the PCR test, yes, it picks up viral matter but cannot distinguish between live (virulent and infectious) or dead matter. This was even reported in the BBC back in September last year with reference to the Center of Evidence Based Medicine University of Oxford. Also, the inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, has clearly stated that the PCR test is not a diagnostic tool. Apparently there was a huge amount of controversy around its use in the detection of HIV. You're correct about the PCR tests. It's been known since Day One that they can't tell the difference between live and dead matter. Very inaccurate" and also being misused since day 1 to drive the number of cases up. Now PCR can allegedly detect omicon; it’s amazing what computer modelling can do these days. | |||
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"Some people probably think sane about condoms Everyone has an opinion but if a mask helps reduce the spread to others is it really such a bad thing Especially in enclosed spaces with low ventilation Not really a hardship are they" They are hugely damaging when worn over long periods of time! And this is being forced on our youngsters and their parents are literally passing the abuse from the government down to their children. Shame on you, parents! | |||
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"There's no question of using physical force. Nobody's going to hold people down. The unvaccinated will be subjected to all kinds of restrictions and even possibly fines. This is medical apartheid. This country has lost its mind. unvaccinated being taken to camps to be held, and the aboriginals in australia being rounded up by military forced into vaccination or taken away as we speak.
German euthanasia clinics refusing 'unvaccinated' customers.
Yes, let that 'SINK' in, it seems like you can't kill yourself in 2021, unless you've been vaccinated. How can this be justified?, denying people the right to relieve their pain and suffering with dignity
This is disgusting and its shameful and I don't want any part of this insanity.
Right now there's a 'crisis of compassion' and the lack of, is taking us down a long dark road. And it won't end well.
How can you 'defend' that, did you all 'binge' out on 'Dystopian' movies during lockdowns?
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Martin Luther King
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"There's no question of using physical force. Nobody's going to hold people down. The unvaccinated will be subjected to all kinds of restrictions and even possibly fines. This is medical apartheid. This country has lost its mind. unvaccinated being taken to camps to be held, and the aboriginals in australia being rounded up by military forced into vaccination or taken away as we speak.
German euthanasia clinics refusing 'unvaccinated' customers.
Yes, let that 'SINK' in, it seems like you can't kill yourself in 2021, unless you've been vaccinated. How can this be justified?, denying people the right to relieve their pain and suffering with dignity
This is disgusting and its shameful and I don't want any part of this insanity.
Right now there's a 'crisis of compassion' and the lack of, is taking us down a long dark road. And it won't end well.
How can you 'defend' that, did you all 'binge' out on 'Dystopian' movies during lockdowns?
In the end we will remember not the words of our enemies but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King
"It is shameful. The thing is, people often wonder how on earth ordinary citizens of Germany could possibly have allowed Hitler to get into power and demonize a section of society. But you only have a look at what our fellow citizens are now willing to condone in the name of (fill in the blank) to get a sense of how this can happen and see that actually it can happen anywhere. Reminds me of Niemoller.. First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Sadly, history is often apt to repeat itself because people don't learn from the past. | |||
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"There's no question of using physical force. Nobody's going to hold people down. The unvaccinated will be subjected to all kinds of restrictions and even possibly fines. This is medical apartheid. This country has lost its mind. unvaccinated being taken to camps to be held, and the aboriginals in australia being rounded up by military forced into vaccination or taken away as we speak.
German euthanasia clinics refusing 'unvaccinated' customers.
Yes, let that 'SINK' in, it seems like you can't kill yourself in 2021, unless you've been vaccinated. How can this be justified?, denying people the right to relieve their pain and suffering with dignity
This is disgusting and its shameful and I don't want any part of this insanity.
Right now there's a 'crisis of compassion' and the lack of, is taking us down a long dark road. And it won't end well.
How can you 'defend' that, did you all 'binge' out on 'Dystopian' movies during lockdowns?
In the end we will remember not the words of our enemies but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King
It is shameful. The thing is, people often wonder how on earth ordinary citizens of Germany could possibly have allowed Hitler to get into power and demonize a section of society. But you only have a look at what our fellow citizens are now willing to condone in the name of (fill in the blank) to get a sense of how this can happen and see that actually it can happen anywhere.
Reminds me of Niemoller..
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Sadly, history is often apt to repeat itself because people don't learn from the past."Ironically, it's the lockdown/vaccine fanatics that call we sceptics 'nazis'. How wretched some people have become | |||
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"There's no question of using physical force. Nobody's going to hold people down. The unvaccinated will be subjected to all kinds of restrictions and even possibly fines. This is medical apartheid. This country has lost its mind. unvaccinated being taken to camps to be held, and the aboriginals in australia being rounded up by military forced into vaccination or taken away as we speak.
German euthanasia clinics refusing 'unvaccinated' customers.
Yes, let that 'SINK' in, it seems like you can't kill yourself in 2021, unless you've been vaccinated. How can this be justified?, denying people the right to relieve their pain and suffering with dignity
This is disgusting and its shameful and I don't want any part of this insanity.
Right now there's a 'crisis of compassion' and the lack of, is taking us down a long dark road. And it won't end well.
How can you 'defend' that, did you all 'binge' out on 'Dystopian' movies during lockdowns?
In the end we will remember not the words of our enemies but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King
It is shameful. The thing is, people often wonder how on earth ordinary citizens of Germany could possibly have allowed Hitler to get into power and demonize a section of society. But you only have a look at what our fellow citizens are now willing to condone in the name of (fill in the blank) to get a sense of how this can happen and see that actually it can happen anywhere.
Reminds me of Niemoller..
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Sadly, history is often apt to repeat itself because people don't learn from the past.
Ironically, it's the lockdown/vaccine fanatics that call we sceptics 'nazis'.
How wretched some people have become"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. General S Patton I owe that quote from Dr Ryan Cole (American Frontline Doctors) who is loyal to the Hippocratic Oath and the early treatment of his patients to prevent hospitalization and death. | |||
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"God I hate this section of the forum so much" So true but it's so addictive. Shit, do you thinks it's another side effect of vaccine. It's going to be part of my NY resolution, keep off FAB forums not directly associated with meeting others. | |||
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"God I hate this section of the forum so much So true but it's so addictive. Shit, do you thinks it's another side effect of vaccine. It's going to be part of my NY resolution, keep off FAB forums not directly associated with meeting others. "I've tried to do the same but it's so interesting watching the same people and some 'returnees' no doubt under different guises making the same old claims that have been totally discredited over the last 21 plus months.. Truly the rabbit holes are deep and wide, or us that deep and crisp and even..
Peace and love all.. | |||
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