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By *esthetic21 OP Man
over a year ago
Birmingham/Bristol |
what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission? |
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?"
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission |
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over a year ago
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission"
name another vaccine that is (soon to be) required by law?
Apart from all the future boosters and future vaccines for the future pandemics  |
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
name another vaccine that is (soon to be) required by law?
Apart from all the future boosters and future vaccines for the future pandemics "
First of all , all they have todo is make a law saying you have to have it.
After that even the court of human rights won’t protect you. Mandatory doesn’t mean they can literally hold you down and inject you, but it does mean that proportional punishment can be used. Whether losing your job for refusing is proportional is open to debate.
However the question of mandatory vaccination has already been addressed earlier this year, so a precedent is set. The case can be read here,
https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22documentcollectionid2%22:[%22GRANDCHAMBER%22],%22itemid%22:[%22001-209039%22]} |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you fail to keep up to date with your booster schedule then you will join the ranks of the unvaxxed. And if perhaps you take a seriously bad reaction to booster #5 you may not fancy taking your chances with booster #6...therefore be subject to the same treatment. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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Ethically our government and others around the world are in place to protect their people.
Scientifically the experts have created vaccines to reduce the effect covid has on people.
The vaccines have been presented to experts around the world to test independently, those tests have been successfully passed and findings have allowed countries around the world to authorise the use of the vaccines independently to their people.
Logically the vaccines are in place to prevent the hospitalisation of vast numbers of people, leading to a collapse in health support for populations.
This was seen in some countries at the start of the pandemic, tragically India suffered a huge loss of people and hospitals collapsed under the pressure.
Justification for mandating the vaccination? There are countries that appear to be attempting a mandated vaccine program, will the whole world follow this route is a question that really can't be answered today.
Personally I do not believe you can force someone to have a vaccine they do not want, but with that choice comes responsibility and I strongly believe that responsibility needs to be understood and signed up to by individuals who prefer to not to take the vaccine. |
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"If you fail to keep up to date with your booster schedule then you will join the ranks of the unvaxxed. And if perhaps you take a seriously bad reaction to booster #5 you may not fancy taking your chances with booster #6...therefore be subject to the same treatment. "
Copy and paste, so the pro vaxers who haven't yet had their booster even if they haven't been called to have one should pipe down as they have very little protection as it stands now.
"If you only had two doses of vaccine, you have very little protection against Omicron."
As the UK government encourages the public to take up Covid booster jabs to combat the rise of the new variant, BBC Newsnight hears from Paul Hunter, Professor of Health Protection, UEA, and government minister Michael Gove on the best course of action.
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by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?"
My tin hat friend says it’s to reset & change the taxation & global economy’s |
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even stop transmission?
My tin hat friend says it’s to reset & change the taxation & global economy’s "
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"what's the
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justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
My tin hat friend says it’s to reset & change the taxation & global economy’s "
Yes, there is also this saying, follow the money. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission"
Vaccines don’t stop transmission, they provide the body with the tools to fight the infection
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission"
scotland phs data this week
9 out of 10 covid deaths were vaccinated. not much on the news about it tho is there.
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
scotland phs data this week
9 out of 10 covid deaths were vaccinated. not much on the news about it tho is there.
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Because they were more than likely underlying conditions or if old age |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
scotland phs data this week
9 out of 10 covid deaths were vaccinated. not much on the news about it tho is there.
Because they were more than likely underlying conditions or if old age "
And there lies the problem......it should still be reported regardless of existing health issues or not to give public a clear picture, not just pushing the vaccine agenda |
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who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
scotland phs data this week
9 out of 10 covid deaths were vaccinated. not much on the news about it tho is there.
Because they were more than likely underlying conditions or if old age "
You mean the type of people who have been dying from it all along, even before the vaccine roll out started? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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scotland phs data this week
9 out of 10 covid deaths were vaccinated. not much on the news about it tho is there.
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Can you give a link to that data as i cannot find it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's only a matter of time until you are undisirable its how Hitler came to power. Advice is being treated as law. There is nothing in law that allows the government to dictate to the people.. But by fear and false information they have managed to convince the government 60 million people to comply with the dictates decreed by government. Omicron is a mild disease yet every day we are fed unsubstantiated lies. Noone world wide has been hospitalised or died.. Yet we are bombarded with propaganda manufactured by government and sage. If you want proof of a conspiracy then omicron is it |
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ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
scotland phs data this week
9 out of 10 covid deaths were vaccinated. not much on the news about it tho is there.
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Can't find the data but Since the vaccination rate in scotland for over 50s is virtually 100% which is where at least 95% occur you would expect the vaccination death rate to a lot higher than 95%. Found the hospitalization rates for the end of September and that was 55% vaccinated and 45% unvaccinated. Unvaccinated in Scotland make up less than 10% of the adult population and are generally much younger than vaccinated people. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
scotland phs data this week
9 out of 10 covid deaths were vaccinated. not much on the news about it tho is there.
Because they were more than likely underlying conditions or if old age You mean the type of people who have been dying from it all along, even before the vaccine roll out started? "
What about the relatively young and healthy people who have died then ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I do think there's a debate to be had about the motives and methods.
For a short time it looked at though there may have been a genuine combined effort to tackle COVID but instead we very quickly found the usual types taking advantage and looking after only their own interests.
The irony is that it's very likely going to be natural processes that end the pandemic, quite possibly the new variant.
For what it's worth I had both vaccines but am not planning to get the booster at this stage. |
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ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?"
Nobody has any issues with any of the other medications that they produce. Thing such as life saving cancer treatments, or nicotine addiction medication, or even erectile disfunction treatments... Nobody is questioning whether they can be trusted.
In fact, the ONLY medication that these minorities consider to be untrustworthy are Covid Vaccines. |
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over a year ago
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Nobody has any issues with any of the other medications that they produce. Thing such as life saving cancer treatments, or nicotine addiction medication, or even erectile disfunction treatments... Nobody is questioning whether they can be trusted.
In fact, the ONLY medication that these minorities consider to be untrustworthy are Covid Vaccines. "
People are being forced to have medication for erectile dysfunction?  |
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Nobody has any issues with any of the other medications that they produce. Thing such as life saving cancer treatments, or nicotine addiction medication, or even erectile disfunction treatments... Nobody is questioning whether they can be trusted.
In fact, the ONLY medication that these minorities consider to be untrustworthy are Covid Vaccines.
People are being forced to have medication for erectile dysfunction? "
No, people are also not being "forced" to take any other medication.
Some people however, claiming that the companies who jointly make three quarters of all the licensed medications can't be trusted to make safe covid vaccines... but have no issues with ANY of their other products.
It's almost as if the "trust question" is just something that they're blindly repeating from their social media feeds. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's only a matter of time until you are undisirable its how Hitler came to power. Advice is being treated as law. There is nothing in law that allows the government to dictate to the people.. But by fear and false information they have managed to convince the government 60 million people to comply with the dictates decreed by government. Omicron is a mild disease yet every day we are fed unsubstantiated lies. Noone world wide has been hospitalised or died.. Yet we are bombarded with propaganda manufactured by government and sage. If you want proof of a conspiracy then omicron is it"
Rule #1 of any argument..... The moment you mention Hitler your argument has no validity.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?"
Nobody ever claimed that it did stop transmission. But what is clear is that it does alleviate symptoms to the point that they are more likely to save your life than not.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not true, my tripple jabbed friend gave me Covid, I had it mild, he went to hospital. Luckily he's ok. But I'm brill.
So vaccine status is totally illogical.. |
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"You got 3 jabs in one year and you're still calling it a vaccine?
Loooooooool"
You need to use reply and quote so we know who you're responding to.
As for your comment... most vaccines require more than one shot for highest immunity.
For viruses that regularly mutate or where there are several strains, regular jabs are normal. Flu jabs being the one you will be familiar with. |
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over a year ago
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"You got 3 jabs in one year and you're still calling it a vaccine?
Loooooooool
You need to use reply and quote so we know who you're responding to.
As for your comment... most vaccines require more than one shot for highest immunity.
For viruses that regularly mutate or where there are several strains, regular jabs are normal. Flu jabs being the one you will be familiar with. "
I wouldn't know I'm not aged, vulnerable or at severe risk so never had one. Average age of death "with 28 days" to Covid is 82. That's the only statistic anyone should be concerned with. |
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over a year ago
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"You got 3 jabs in one year and you're still calling it a vaccine?
Loooooooool
You need to use reply and quote so we know who you're responding to.
As for your comment... most vaccines require more than one shot for highest immunity.
For viruses that regularly mutate or where there are several strains, regular jabs are normal. Flu jabs being the one you will be familiar with. "
Thanks for the tip |
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"You got 3 jabs in one year and you're still calling it a vaccine?
Loooooooool
You need to use reply and quote so we know who you're responding to.
As for your comment... most vaccines require more than one shot for highest immunity.
For viruses that regularly mutate or where there are several strains, regular jabs are normal. Flu jabs being the one you will be familiar with.
I wouldn't know I'm not aged, vulnerable or at severe risk so never had one. Average age of death "with 28 days" to Covid is 82. That's the only statistic anyone should be concerned with. "
No, it isn't.
That's an average figure, it doesn't mean younger people don't die of Covid, and the life of an older person doesn't have less value.
You're also ignoring the long term health impacts that Covid has had on thousands of people, many of whom never needed hospital treatment. |
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over a year ago
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"You got 3 jabs in one year and you're still calling it a vaccine?
Loooooooool
You need to use reply and quote so we know who you're responding to.
As for your comment... most vaccines require more than one shot for highest immunity.
For viruses that regularly mutate or where there are several strains, regular jabs are normal. Flu jabs being the one you will be familiar with.
I wouldn't know I'm not aged, vulnerable or at severe risk so never had one. Average age of death "with 28 days" to Covid is 82. That's the only statistic anyone should be concerned with.
No, it isn't.
That's an average figure, it doesn't mean younger people don't die of Covid, and the life of an older person doesn't have less value.
You're also ignoring the long term health impacts that Covid has had on thousands of people, many of whom never needed hospital treatment. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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scotland phs data this week
9 out of 10 covid deaths were vaccinated. not much on the news about it tho is there.
Can you give a link to that data as i cannot find it."
It was in ‘The Exposè’ .. 1/12/2021.
The numbers are largely accurate, but failed to take account of the footnote in the data:
“ In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective. This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than from COVID-19”
As always, people should take anything published in any source with several shovels of salt.
The figures were taken from: https://www.publichealthscotland.scot/our-areas-of-work/covid-19/covid-19-data-and-intelligence/covid-19-weekly-report-for-scotland/
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"You got 3 jabs in one year and you're still calling it a vaccine?
Loooooooool
You need to use reply and quote so we know who you're responding to.
As for your comment... most vaccines require more than one shot for highest immunity.
For viruses that regularly mutate or where there are several strains, regular jabs are normal. Flu jabs being the one you will be familiar with.
I wouldn't know I'm not aged, vulnerable or at severe risk so never had one. Average age of death "with 28 days" to Covid is 82. That's the only statistic anyone should be concerned with.
No, it isn't.
That's an average figure, it doesn't mean younger people don't die of Covid, and the life of an older person doesn't have less value.
You're also ignoring the long term health impacts that Covid has had on thousands of people, many of whom never needed hospital treatment. "
Yes it's an average, what's the average age of death for all cause mortality before Covid 19 came along?
Every year people die, young middle and old. The mortality rate in 2020 was 10th in the last 30 years. Where was the fear and concern those years? |
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"You got 3 jabs in one year and you're still calling it a vaccine?
Loooooooool
You need to use reply and quote so we know who you're responding to.
As for your comment... most vaccines require more than one shot for highest immunity.
For viruses that regularly mutate or where there are several strains, regular jabs are normal. Flu jabs being the one you will be familiar with.
I wouldn't know I'm not aged, vulnerable or at severe risk so never had one. Average age of death "with 28 days" to Covid is 82. That's the only statistic anyone should be concerned with. "
The average age of a covid death is lower now about 79. |
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"You got 3 jabs in one year and you're still calling it a vaccine?
Loooooooool
You need to use reply and quote so we know who you're responding to.
As for your comment... most vaccines require more than one shot for highest immunity.
For viruses that regularly mutate or where there are several strains, regular jabs are normal. Flu jabs being the one you will be familiar with.
I wouldn't know I'm not aged, vulnerable or at severe risk so never had one. Average age of death "with 28 days" to Covid is 82. That's the only statistic anyone should be concerned with.
The average age of a covid death is lower now about 79."
What's the average age all cause mortality ? |
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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago
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Where was all this anti government sentiment when they sold is up the river with Brexit?
Boris and his £450 million a day to the NHS.
No instead we have more furor over this bollocks than real political fraud. |
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"You got 3 jabs in one year and you're still calling it a vaccine?
Loooooooool
You need to use reply and quote so we know who you're responding to.
As for your comment... most vaccines require more than one shot for highest immunity.
For viruses that regularly mutate or where there are several strains, regular jabs are normal. Flu jabs being the one you will be familiar with.
I wouldn't know I'm not aged, vulnerable or at severe risk so never had one. Average age of death "with 28 days" to Covid is 82. That's the only statistic anyone should be concerned with.
The average age of a covid death is lower now about 79.
What's the average age all cause mortality ?"
Do you mean how ling on average do people in the UK live?
This is from ons:
"In the UK the median age at death was 82.3 years for males and 85.8 years for females and the modal (most common) age at death was 86.7 years for males and 89.3 years for females in 2018 to 2020"
That means that "on average" people dieing of Covid are doung 10 years earlier than they would otherwise have. |
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even stop transmission?"
excellent question; good to see some people still have the ability to think logically and question without being brainwashed by the bbc and MSM |
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over a year ago
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"You got 3 jabs in one year and you're still calling it a vaccine?
Loooooooool
You need to use reply and quote so we know who you're responding to.
As for your comment... most vaccines require more than one shot for highest immunity.
For viruses that regularly mutate or where there are several strains, regular jabs are normal. Flu jabs being the one you will be familiar with.
I wouldn't know I'm not aged, vulnerable or at severe risk so never had one. Average age of death "with 28 days" to Covid is 82. That's the only statistic anyone should be concerned with. "
With the average age of men dieing being 79 you at 41 are in the latter half of the aged population. By average you have lived more years than you have left. |
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One thing I've always wondered with the entirety of this pandemic though, has anyone seen any data on deaths as a direct result of Covid rather than the "within 28 days of a positive test" figures we're always shown?
Not saying anything about the virus, or anything to do with it, I'm just interested in the actual figures. |
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
scotland phs data this week
9 out of 10 covid deaths were vaccinated. not much on the news about it tho is there.
Because they were more than likely underlying conditions or if old age You mean the type of people who have been dying from it all along, even before the vaccine roll out started? "
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"what's the
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justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?excellent question; good to see some people still have the ability to think logically and question without being brainwashed by the bbc and MSM "
I'm guessing you missed school the day they taught about the works of Flemming and Pasteur.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You got 3 jabs in one year and you're still calling it a vaccine?
Loooooooool
Are you Hepatic B vaccinated? It sounds like you know little about vaccines that are commonly used.. "
Go on? Don't stop there |
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"One thing I've always wondered with the entirety of this pandemic though, has anyone seen any data on deaths as a direct result of Covid rather than the "within 28 days of a positive test" figures we're always shown?
Not saying anything about the virus, or anything to do with it, I'm just interested in the actual figures."
In Scotland Since the start of the outbreak:
9,707 people have died who have tested positive as at 10 December
12,216 deaths have been registered in Scotland where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate up to 5 December
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By (user no longer on site)
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?excellent question; good to see some people still have the ability to think logically and question without being brainwashed by the bbc and MSM
I'm guessing you missed school the day they taught about the works of Flemming and Pasteur.
Winston"
You obviously did too, as they postulated vaccination immunises to stop viral load build up and therefore I'll health/death and transmission. If a high proportion of the community are immune 60% then rate of transmission is massively reduced due to statistial probability of contact of infected / non-immune people and R rate can never get to levels where there is an issue and community immunity is achieved.
Clearly this "vaccine" isn't doing any of that. Also to achieve statistical herd immunity 100% of the population doesn't need a jab. Think mi Winston.
Why the drive to vaccinate last one of us twice a year for the rest of our lives.
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?excellent question; good to see some people still have the ability to think logically and question without being brainwashed by the bbc and MSM
I'm guessing you missed school the day they taught about the works of Flemming and Pasteur.
Winston
You obviously did too, as they postulated vaccination immunises to stop viral load build up and therefore I'll health/death and transmission. If a high proportion of the community are immune 60% then rate of transmission is massively reduced due to statistial probability of contact of infected / non-immune people and R rate can never get to levels where there is an issue and community immunity is achieved.
Clearly this "vaccine" isn't doing any of that. Also to achieve statistical herd immunity 100% of the population doesn't need a jab. Think mi Winston.
Why the drive to vaccinate last one of us twice a year for the rest of our lives.
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You copied and pasted it, but you didn't understand a word of it.
I've seen no drive to vaccinate everyone twice a year. Could you provide a link please, I'd like to look at that.
Thanks.
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By *esthetic21 OP Man
over a year ago
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scotland phs data this week
9 out of 10 covid deaths were vaccinated. not much on the news about it tho is there.
Can you give a link to that data as i cannot find it."
https://publichealthscotland.scot/publications/covid-19-statistical-report/covid-19-statistical-report-1-december-2021/ |
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scotland phs data this week
9 out of 10 covid deaths were vaccinated. not much on the news about it tho is there.
Can you give a link to that data as i cannot find it.https://publichealthscotland.scot/publications/covid-19-statistical-report/covid-19-statistical-report-1-december-2021/"
from the PDF in the link
Findings from a Scottish study show that people who have received two doses of COVID-19
vaccine are far better protected against death from the virus than those who are
unvaccinated. However, there are certain characteristics which can make people more
vulnerable, including being aged 80 or over, having multiple underlying health conditions,
and being male. Results show that adults aged 18-64 who are double vaccinated have
almost four times increased protection against dying from COVID-19 compared to those
who are unvaccinated. The figures are even more stark for those who are older, with double
vaccinated adults aged 65-79 experiencing 15.5 times greater protection against death than
their unvaccinated peers, and for adults over 80, this increased to 30 times higher.
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scotland phs data this week
9 out of 10 covid deaths were vaccinated. not much on the news about it tho is there.
Can you give a link to that data as i cannot find it.https://publichealthscotland.scot/publications/covid-19-statistical-report/covid-19-statistical-report-1-december-2021/"
Thanks for the link so age standardized deaths from covid for unvaccinated is around 5 per 100000. Double vaccinated just under 1.5. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?"
There isn't one unless you are going to be working in close proximity to medically vulnerable individuals such as frontline NHS staff (as is already the case for many diseases) and care staff.
Nobody else is being legally required to vaccinate against Covid.
You may have examples though. Do you?
The product has never been claimed to prevent transmission. Do you have any information from governments, medical organisations or pharmaceutical companies that does?
The purpose of the vaccine is to reduce the rate of transmission as a consequence of the reduced viral load due to increased immunity. The reduced viral load means that you are far less likely to become seriously ill and admitted to hospital.
If fewer people become seriously ill then other important medical procedures can be carried out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You got 3 jabs in one year and you're still calling it a vaccine?
Loooooooool
You need to use reply and quote so we know who you're responding to.
As for your comment... most vaccines require more than one shot for highest immunity.
For viruses that regularly mutate or where there are several strains, regular jabs are normal. Flu jabs being the one you will be familiar with. "
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"You got 3 jabs in one year and you're still calling it a vaccine?
Loooooooool
You need to use reply and quote so we know who you're responding to.
As for your comment... most vaccines require more than one shot for highest immunity.
For viruses that regularly mutate or where there are several strains, regular jabs are normal. Flu jabs being the one you will be familiar with.
Apparently Pfizer are releasing a Loyalty Card.....once you get 9 vaccines, you get number 10 free "
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"Maybe they should just have let it run amok, you know kill a lot of the elderly and vulnerable in society..
 "
Except for one tiny problem.
He'll be old and frail one day.
Bit like the saying "I want to live hard and die young".
Sadly, in my experience it doesn't tend to work like that.
Think there is more than enough information out there to make your own decisions.
Keep well everyone and soon enough you will be able to make different excuses for why you can't meet. |
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Nobody has any issues with any of the other medications that they produce. Thing such as life saving cancer treatments, or nicotine addiction medication, or even erectile disfunction treatments... Nobody is questioning whether they can be trusted.
In fact, the ONLY medication that these minorities consider to be untrustworthy are Covid Vaccines. "
Life saving cancer treatments, like what? I know of chemo therapy radio therapy and surgical removal. Are you aware of the cancer act
Depression medications look into that lots of ‘side’ effects inluding suicidal thoughts. Yet it’s been known for a long time using psychedelics in a combination with talking therapy is showing to ‘cure’ said illness.
Also many doctors rarely even assess the individual in a realistic way these days. You know enquire about diet exercise and life style. Even with young people. My daughter was put on anti depressants due to the idiotic belief that pharma holds all the answers. Thankfully she got free from the meds before it became too difficult.
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Nobody has any issues with any of the other medications that they produce. Thing such as life saving cancer treatments, or nicotine addiction medication, or even erectile disfunction treatments... Nobody is questioning whether they can be trusted.
In fact, the ONLY medication that these minorities consider to be untrustworthy are Covid Vaccines.
Life saving cancer treatments, like what? I know of chemo therapy radio therapy and surgical removal. Are you aware of the cancer act
Depression medications look into that lots of ‘side’ effects inluding suicidal thoughts. Yet it’s been known for a long time using psychedelics in a combination with talking therapy is showing to ‘cure’ said illness.
Also many doctors rarely even assess the individual in a realistic way these days. You know enquire about diet exercise and life style. Even with young people. My daughter was put on anti depressants due to the idiotic belief that pharma holds all the answers. Thankfully she got free from the meds before it became too difficult.
"
As someone who has suffered mental health challenges in the past, let me assure you, the suicidal thoughts were there long before my issues were diagnosed and medicated.
Whilst medication doesn't have all the answers, it's a fucking site more reliable than YouTube quacks and snake oil salesmen. I know which one I'd place my trust and faith in.
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
Vaccines don’t stop transmission, they provide the body with the tools to fight the infection
"
Weird. When I did my undergrad biology degree over 25 years ago we learned about something called the immune system which we were led to believe is made up of tools which help the body fight infection. |
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?"
There is no justification |
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
Vaccines don’t stop transmission, they provide the body with the tools to fight the infection
Weird. When I did my undergrad biology degree over 25 years ago we learned about something called the immune system which we were led to believe is made up of tools which help the body fight infection. "
Which help. Key words there.
The immune system can't always fight every attack, sometimes it needs a helping hand.
Perhaps we've learnt a bit more about the immune system and viruses in the intervening 25 years.
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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"It's only a matter of time until you are undisirable its how Hitler came to power. Advice is being treated as law. There is nothing in law that allows the government to dictate to the people.. But by fear and false information they have managed to convince the government 60 million people to comply with the dictates decreed by government. Omicron is a mild disease yet every day we are fed unsubstantiated lies. Noone world wide has been hospitalised or died.. Yet we are bombarded with propaganda manufactured by government and sage. If you want proof of a conspiracy then omicron is it
Rule #1 of any argument..... The moment you mention Hitler your argument has no validity.
Winston "
And to claim no one has been hospitalised from Omicron is totally false also. Plenty in S Africa have been hospitalised and in the last 24 hours, people are starting to be admitted here in the UK.
There is a 2 to 3 week plus delay between infection and hospitalisation, Omicron was discovered here 2 weeks ago and cases are now showing up at hospitals.
It may be milder (to many) but having a overwhelming number of infections in more vulnerable people has one outcome - overwhelming the NHS. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
Vaccines don’t stop transmission, they provide the body with the tools to fight the infection
Weird. When I did my undergrad biology degree over 25 years ago we learned about something called the immune system which we were led to believe is made up of tools which help the body fight infection. "
Did that teach you that vaccines and medical treatments have no use because your body fights infection?
This entire industry is not actually necessary then?
We should get onto that. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?"
Are you.refeering to coca cola ? |
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over a year ago
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"Where was all this anti government sentiment when they sold is up the river with Brexit?
Boris and his £450 million a day to the NHS.
No instead we have more furor over this bollocks than real political fraud."
I don't think that the Government had planned for COVID-19 at the same time as Brexit - Either way, it was brilliant, a world class vaccination programme that we couldn't have had if we were still in the EU!
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Absolutely staggering that 90% of the posters on this thread have absolutely no idea how a vaccine works or how it protects you or the general population.
That said, it gives us a wonderful opportunity of identifying those individuals to avoid |
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"Where was all this anti government sentiment when they sold is up the river with Brexit?
Boris and his £450 million a day to the NHS.
No instead we have more furor over this bollocks than real political fraud.
I don't think that the Government had planned for COVID-19 at the same time as Brexit - Either way, it was brilliant, a world class vaccination programme that we couldn't have had if we were still in the EU!
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other than we could. (albeit would have been harder to opt out) ... (Although the irony is the EU "failed" as AZ were double booked on their orders. Which wouldn't have happened if UK was part of EU deal)
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?excellent question; good to see some people still have the ability to think logically and question without being brainwashed by the bbc and MSM
I'm guessing you missed school the day they taught about the works of Flemming and Pasteur.
Winston
You obviously did too, as they postulated vaccination immunises to stop viral load build up and therefore I'll health/death and transmission. If a high proportion of the community are immune 60% then rate of transmission is massively reduced due to statistial probability of contact of infected / non-immune people and R rate can never get to levels where there is an issue and community immunity is achieved.
Clearly this "vaccine" isn't doing any of that. Also to achieve statistical herd immunity 100% of the population doesn't need a jab. Think mi Winston.
Why the drive to vaccinate last one of us twice a year for the rest of our lives.
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Strawman argument. Again. Not based in reality. |
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"Where was all this anti government sentiment when they sold is up the river with Brexit?
Boris and his £450 million a day to the NHS.
No instead we have more furor over this bollocks than real political fraud.
I don't think that the Government had planned for COVID-19 at the same time as Brexit - Either way, it was brilliant, a world class vaccination programme that we couldn't have had if we were still in the EU!
other than we could. (albeit would have been harder to opt out) ... (Although the irony is the EU "failed" as AZ were double booked on their orders. Which wouldn't have happened if UK was part of EU deal)
"
Perhaps if you do a little bit of research (should be less than 5 minutes) , you will find that you are entirely wrong.
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If we don't fund the health service, we get the service that we vote for, whilst has has funding cuts since 2010. That's catastrophic for treatment standarda. Medication is an option bur a slight convenience. We have to invest more intelligently in get a better system |
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"Where was all this anti government sentiment when they sold is up the river with Brexit?
Boris and his £450 million a day to the NHS.
No instead we have more furor over this bollocks than real political fraud.
I don't think that the Government had planned for COVID-19 at the same time as Brexit - Either way, it was brilliant, a world class vaccination programme that we couldn't have had if we were still in the EU!
other than we could. (albeit would have been harder to opt out) ... (Although the irony is the EU "failed" as AZ were double booked on their orders. Which wouldn't have happened if UK was part of EU deal)
Perhaps if you do a little bit of research (should be less than 5 minutes) , you will find that you are entirely wrong.
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which bit ?
The EU vaccine approach wasn't mandatory.
And it was az prioritising the UK which meant we were quicker. |
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"Where was all this anti government sentiment when they sold is up the river with Brexit?
Boris and his £450 million a day to the NHS.
No instead we have more furor over this bollocks than real political fraud.
I don't think that the Government had planned for COVID-19 at the same time as Brexit - Either way, it was brilliant, a world class vaccination programme that we couldn't have had if we were still in the EU!
other than we could. (albeit would have been harder to opt out) ... (Although the irony is the EU "failed" as AZ were double booked on their orders. Which wouldn't have happened if UK was part of EU deal)
Perhaps if you do a little bit of research (should be less than 5 minutes) , you will find that you are entirely wrong.
which bit ?
The EU vaccine approach wasn't mandatory.
And it was az prioritising the UK which meant we were quicker. "
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"Where was all this anti government sentiment when they sold is up the river with Brexit?
Boris and his £450 million a day to the NHS.
No instead we have more furor over this bollocks than real political fraud.
I don't think that the Government had planned for COVID-19 at the same time as Brexit - Either way, it was brilliant, a world class vaccination programme that we couldn't have had if we were still in the EU!
other than we could. (albeit would have been harder to opt out) ... (Although the irony is the EU "failed" as AZ were double booked on their orders. Which wouldn't have happened if UK was part of EU deal)
Perhaps if you do a little bit of research (should be less than 5 minutes) , you will find that you are entirely wrong.
which bit ?
The EU vaccine approach wasn't mandatory.
And it was az prioritising the UK which meant we were quicker. "
This. Entirely this. ^
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ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?"
To the best of my knowledge and experience vaccines have taken most of the death element out of the equation.
If a vaccine can slow down transmission, that's fine.
But in reality the only person transmitting, is you.
Bloody clever these virus, want transmission, pick a human. |
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
name another vaccine that is (soon to be) required by law?
Apart from all the future boosters and future vaccines for the future pandemics
First of all , all they have todo is make a law saying you have to have it.
After that even the court of human rights won’t protect you. Mandatory doesn’t mean they can literally hold you down and inject you, but it does mean that proportional punishment can be used. Whether losing your job for refusing is proportional is open to debate.
However the question of mandatory vaccination has already been addressed earlier this year, so a precedent is set. The case can be read here,
https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22documentcollectionid2%22:[%22GRANDCHAMBER%22],%22itemid%22:[%22001-209039%22]}"
Praying that you snap out of your brainwashed trance very soon !! |
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" We take the view that ....there will be a tin foil shortage soon due to all the tin foil hat wearers and who knew there was so many avid readers on "Fab" as 70 odd % of them never ever seem to read profiles though ( which is more vital than reading a karen blog because you might get laid after all or stand a chance of meeing a human female in the flesh) ?? and yet suddenly from a nation that's needs to be told NOT to eat the washing pods or drink bleach etc etc and we are awash with warning labels and going by the tinernet and the news and the papers are so easily "Scammed" out of our money/bank details etc etc???they are all world renowned scientists and peer reviewed to boot and no more about vaccine's than actual people who make them or invent them and before covid 80 odd % only came in to contact or knew about a virus when their computers started acting all weird after they clicked on that link ( that they were warned about NOT to ) that said they could earn thousands by dong nowt ?? ..... "
And then there are those who listen to the government or the experts the government hired and the experts who are peer reviewed by a body who is funded by the government
And then there's a few neutral experts, who haven't published anything in a while because they're getting on a bit, or they've retired, or whatever but they're sounding the warning bell, with legitimate questions, which are ignored or they're termed conspiracy hats and their names are sullied. But these are people with connections in the field who'll tell you that your man, whose a close and trusted colleague, who's working for a peer reviewed institution has just told him they've found something to back up the claims going against the government narrative but can't publish it because they'll lose their government funding... |
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?"
Money is the only God these entities worship. Money is and always will be their only true motivation and right now big pharmaceuticals is making a killing. |
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ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Money is the only God these entities worship. Money is and always will be their only true motivation and right now big pharmaceuticals is making a killing."
And good luck to them, hope some will trickle down to me. |
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
name another vaccine that is (soon to be) required by law?
Apart from all the future boosters and future vaccines for the future pandemics
First of all , all they have todo is make a law saying you have to have it.
After that even the court of human rights won’t protect you. Mandatory doesn’t mean they can literally hold you down and inject you, but it does mean that proportional punishment can be used. Whether losing your job for refusing is proportional is open to debate.
However the question of mandatory vaccination has already been addressed earlier this year, so a precedent is set. The case can be read here,
https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22documentcollectionid2%22:[%22GRANDCHAMBER%22],%22itemid%22:[%22001-209039%22]}
Praying that you snap out of your brainwashed trance very soon !! "
How is that brainwashing, whether you like it or not it is a fact. You need to take your head out of the sand Or better still climb out of that rabbit hole you’re so far entrenched in. |
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justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
Vaccines don’t stop transmission, they provide the body with the tools to fight the infection
Weird. When I did my undergrad biology degree over 25 years ago we learned about something called the immune system which we were led to believe is made up of tools which help the body fight infection.
Did that teach you that vaccines and medical treatments have no use because your body fights infection?
This entire industry is not actually necessary then?
We should get onto that."
Of course not. At which point did I say that?
My post was meant tongue in cheek to remind folks that the immune system always existed so it's not to say that vaccines are the ONLY way you will have the tools to fight an infection
It's not ALL about medical treatments and people would do well to remember that there have always been way to hinder or boost your own immune system.
Physical activity boosts immunity
Low sugar diet boosts immunity
Vitamin D for poor souls living up north boosts immunity
A recent study showed that covid patients in ICU who required mechanical ventilation all had vitamin D deficiency whereas those who did not require mechanical ventilation did not.
I wouldn't for a minute assume their hospitalization was purely down to vitamin D deficiency as there would be other contributing factors...BUT the point is that taking vitamin D supplements are a simple thing anyone can do to reduce their risk.
Yet there is so much tunnel vision over immunity to the point that the discussion is restricted to vaccine induced immunity only rather than all aspects of immunity including those we have personal control over?
Granted most people don't have a university level understanding of the immune system but that's not an excuse to restrict what they're told about immunity.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?
Name me a vaccine that does stop transmission
Vaccines don’t stop transmission, they provide the body with the tools to fight the infection
Weird. When I did my undergrad biology degree over 25 years ago we learned about something called the immune system which we were led to believe is made up of tools which help the body fight infection.
Did that teach you that vaccines and medical treatments have no use because your body fights infection?
This entire industry is not actually necessary then?
We should get onto that.
Of course not. At which point did I say that?
My post was meant tongue in cheek to remind folks that the immune system always existed so it's not to say that vaccines are the ONLY way you will have the tools to fight an infection
It's not ALL about medical treatments and people would do well to remember that there have always been way to hinder or boost your own immune system.
Physical activity boosts immunity
Low sugar diet boosts immunity
Vitamin D for poor souls living up north boosts immunity
A recent study showed that covid patients in ICU who required mechanical ventilation all had vitamin D deficiency whereas those who did not require mechanical ventilation did not.
I wouldn't for a minute assume their hospitalization was purely down to vitamin D deficiency as there would be other contributing factors...BUT the point is that taking vitamin D supplements are a simple thing anyone can do to reduce their risk.
Yet there is so much tunnel vision over immunity to the point that the discussion is restricted to vaccine induced immunity only rather than all aspects of immunity including those we have personal control over?
Granted most people don't have a university level understanding of the immune system but that's not an excuse to restrict what they're told about immunity.
"
Yet, with your university education you have just restricted what you have told people to the point that you implied that the human immune system didn't need help.
You are aware that this is one of the most common anti-vax arguments.
Read the nonsense posted on this thread by people more scared that they are the victims of some scam than suffering severe illness or death themselves or causing it in others.
Read your first post again. What do you think you wrote "tongue in cheek" and what do you think would be read?
Even your last post implies that vaccination is a small, supplementary, benefit to personal and public safety.
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By *I TwoCouple
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"what's the
ethical, scientific, and logic
justification to force the entire
world to receive a product made
by habitually criminal companies
who aren't liable for injury or
death, when the product doesn't
even stop transmission?"
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