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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day "Why? | |||
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" To get ahead of Omicron we need to follow the examples happening in other countries by building internment camps asap, ready to isolate the unvaxxed away from civilized society. The time for half measures is over. *The above is most definitely not my personal opinion but it was one shared by a number of people at work today. Scary times. KJ" Jesus that is scary. I’m gobsmacked so many people agree with this route. What do they believe is a justifiable punishment? Prison? Fine people into poverty? It’s pretty terrifying. | |||
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"For the record . I’m not against vaccinations . I’m against mandates " Snap | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why? "Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles | |||
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"For the record . I’m not against vaccinations . I’m against mandates Snap" I’m fact I’m not even against mandates. I’m against unjustifiable, unenforceable (without turning into a dictatorship) mandates | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles "how did you come to that conclusion  | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles "Do they serve Christmas dinner in intensive care? | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles how did you come to that conclusion "Has anything changed since last year, except a few less hospitalised , answer = no. More restrictions over a mild cold, since when do we have restrictions for a cold? | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles how did you come to that conclusion
Has anything changed since last year, except a few less hospitalised , answer = no.
More restrictions over a mild cold, since when do we have restrictions for a cold?"Surely after all this time and the amount of information out there you would know it is more than a cold? Over 160000 dead people didn't die of a cold. | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles how did you come to that conclusion
Has anything changed since last year, except a few less hospitalised , answer = no.
More restrictions over a mild cold, since when do we have restrictions for a cold?"That’s more insulting to the families of those that have died than Boris’s aide managed, hope you’re feeling proud of yourself. | |||
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"Keep the thread about the mandate convo please!" Sorry  | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles how did you come to that conclusion
Has anything changed since last year, except a few less hospitalised , answer = no.
More restrictions over a mild cold, since when do we have restrictions for a cold?
Surely after all this time and the amount of information out there you would know it is more than a cold? Over 160000 dead people didn't die of a cold. "Of omicron 0 | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles "Did you not see the slide in tonight's briefing, showing a massive correlation between being un-vaxed and being hospitalised? | |||
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"I did like the slide that shows the amount of vax and unvexed in hospitals. I've been wanting to know that for some time. It does show that been vaxed helps." Also shows that my age group is under 10 people per 100000 thousand hospitalised lol | |||
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"To the OP, is he saying he is locking people up? Or just that there will be a conversation" He saying to start the conversation … how would he mandate it and how would he police it? Probably say that unless you have a jab you can’t have a job | |||
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"To the OP, is he saying he is locking people up? Or just that there will be a conversation He saying to start the conversation … how would he mandate it and how would he police it? Probably say that unless you have a jab you can’t have a job" I am not sure they would be able to go that far, I am guessing it could go as far as going into venues though | |||
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"Back to the OP If you want to discuss something else start another thread please"  | |||
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"I did like the slide that shows the amount of vax and unvexed in hospitals. I've been wanting to know that for some time. It does show that been vaxed helps. Also shows that my age group is under 10 people per 100000 thousand hospitalised lol " Doesn't show how many older/vulnerable people might have caught it from un-vaxed people of your age though, so it's not something to be smug and laughing about really | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
Did you not see the slide in tonight's briefing, showing a massive correlation between being un-vaxed and being hospitalised?"If you believe any rubbish that comes out of there mouths well that’s your choice, there just saying that to make you get the booster. | |||
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"That's 6 million people. (Soon to be many more not taking the booster) Are you gonna lock them all up? Good luck with that. " Lock them up? dont be silly prison costs, why waste money on the refusniks. More likely a nice £1,000 fine. 6 Million of those will do nicely to pay for the next set of boosters. ta very much for your future dontation to my health. | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
Did you not see the slide in tonight's briefing, showing a massive correlation between being un-vaxed and being hospitalised?
If you believe any rubbish that comes out of there mouths well that’s your choice, there just saying that to make you get the booster. "So I should believe you ahead of SAGE? Out of interest, what are your qualifications and experience in the fields of virology and immunisation? | |||
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"Back to the OP If you want to discuss something else start another thread please "What's so funny? | |||
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"Back to the OP If you want to discuss something else start another thread please
What's so funny?"Nothing especially funny… the apology post for going OT, followed by an official post from the same Mod who made the apology.. quirky and made me chuckle | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
Did you not see the slide in tonight's briefing, showing a massive correlation between being un-vaxed and being hospitalised?
If you believe any rubbish that comes out of there mouths well that’s your choice, there just saying that to make you get the booster.
So I should believe you ahead of SAGE? Out of interest, what are your qualifications and experience in the fields of virology and immunisation?"I’d imagine he’s got a First Class Degree in virology from the University of Bollox | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
Do they serve Christmas dinner in intensive care?"You can’t argue with this kind of nonsense. No point in trying. | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
Did you not see the slide in tonight's briefing, showing a massive correlation between being un-vaxed and being hospitalised?
If you believe any rubbish that comes out of there mouths well that’s your choice, there just saying that to make you get the booster. "My friend is an ICU nurse in W.York’s, she says all Covid cases in her care are un-vaxed, just my 2 pence worth, my best friend refuses the vax as had Covid, I’m gunna ask him for his season ticket for Leeds as he ain’t getting in after today’s announcement. We’re all grown ups we can make up our own minds. | |||
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"To the OP, is he saying he is locking people up? Or just that there will be a conversation He saying to start the conversation … how would he mandate it and how would he police it? Probably say that unless you have a jab you can’t have a job I am not sure they would be able to go that far, I am guessing it could go as far as going into venues though" The no jab no job has already been forward in USA and Australia … so no out of the realms of possibility here too | |||
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"Back to the OP If you want to discuss something else start another thread please
What's so funny?
Nothing especially funny… the apology post for going OT, followed by an official post from the same Mod who made the apology.. quirky and made me chuckle
"I didn't go off topic, I answered a post that did, my post was after the OP asked for it to get back on track so I apologised before getting it back on track If I am honest , your posts to me always feel like a dig , so please from now on, avoid them altogether Thanks | |||
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"I did my undergrad dissertation on flu and have a PhD in molecular biology. I'm happy to explain why you should have the vaccine, why it isn't "rushed" or "experimental", etc and anything else. In short though, regardless of helping others, even for selfish reasons do it. Coronavirus can infect any organ in your body. Why would you take that risk? For some the underlying ramifications of infection may not become apparent for years. " Sadly these arguments don't work in many people especially those who don't have a science background. We need poets, musicians, story tellers to target people's emotions. Not scientists to target the rationale part of their brains. | |||
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"I did my undergrad dissertation on flu and have a PhD in molecular biology. I'm happy to explain why you should have the vaccine, why it isn't "rushed" or "experimental", etc and anything else. In short though, regardless of helping others, even for selfish reasons do it. Coronavirus can infect any organ in your body. Why would you take that risk? For some the underlying ramifications of infection may not become apparent for years. Sadly these arguments don't work in many people especially those who don't have a science background. We need poets, musicians, story tellers to target people's emotions. Not scientists to target the rationale part of their brains." No, we definitely need more scientists. Have you seen student numbers for STEM vs arts courses? | |||
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"I had my booster yesterday despite having had a frozen shoulder on the left side after my first jab in that arm. Despite a frozen shoulder on the right after a jab in my right arm. Physio said they’re looking into the statistics as they have seen a rise in frozen shoulder post covid jab. I’d rather reduce my vulnerability to covid and put up with the shoulders. " I'm glad I saw your comment, I've been suffering with my left arm after having my booster, glad I'm not going mad, my shoulder and elbow are atiff and feel dead some days | |||
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" No, we definitely need more scientists. Have you seen student numbers for STEM vs arts courses?" Sorry I didn't express myself correctly. I'm a scientist, of course we need more scientists! I mean when we are trying to convince people to get vaccinated we can't just rely on scientists and using facts and peer reviewed papers. We need who can communicate on an emotional level too. Something many scientists struggle with. | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
You can’t argue with this kind of nonsense. No point in trying. "Exactly that this guy said!! | |||
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"I did my undergrad dissertation on flu and have a PhD in molecular biology. I'm happy to explain why you should have the vaccine, why it isn't "rushed" or "experimental", etc and anything else. In short though, regardless of helping others, even for selfish reasons do it. Coronavirus can infect any organ in your body. Why would you take that risk? For some the underlying ramifications of infection may not become apparent for years. " Exactly this my friend's child caught and recovered from covid... he then ended up in critical care with PIMS TS as a result of what covid did to his body, he's still recovering now | |||
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"There should be no "National Conversation" about mandatory vaccines in a democracy. The State has no business interfering in one's sane, consensual choices regarding one's own body. " Do you wear a seat belt? | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles "Thank God I'm naturally immune, or very lucky. | |||
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"There should be no "National Conversation" about mandatory vaccines in a democracy. The State has no business interfering in one's sane, consensual choices regarding one's own body. Do you wear a seat belt?" That's a bad analogy, putting on a seatbelt is not as personal or sacrosanct as modifying one's own body permanently | |||
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"I had my booster yesterday despite having had a frozen shoulder on the left side after my first jab in that arm. Despite a frozen shoulder on the right after a jab in my right arm. Physio said they’re looking into the statistics as they have seen a rise in frozen shoulder post covid jab. I’d rather reduce my vulnerability to covid and put up with the shoulders. I'm glad I saw your comment, I've been suffering with my left arm after having my booster, glad I'm not going mad, my shoulder and elbow are atiff and feel dead some days " The doctor and the clinician who gave me cortisone injections both said it was unrelated. The physio said they were looking into a link. | |||
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"That's 6 million people. (Soon to be many more not taking the booster) Are you gonna lock them all up? Good luck with that. " He didn't say that at all. He was asked: why are we not bringing in mandatory vaccines? and he replied that we couldn't continue with restrictions on people's lives forever, and the uptake on vaccines and boosters was not good enough, then there would need to be a "conversation" with the general public as to where we go next. Cal | |||
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"There should be no "National Conversation" about mandatory vaccines in a democracy. The State has no business interfering in one's sane, consensual choices regarding one's own body. Do you wear a seat belt? That's a bad analogy, putting on a seatbelt is not as personal or sacrosanct as modifying one's own body permanently" That's a good point. Are you happy breathing in polluted air from car exhausts and increasing your risk of heart disease and cancer? | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
Thank God I'm naturally immune, or very lucky." | |||
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"That's 6 million people. (Soon to be many more not taking the booster) Are you gonna lock them all up? Good luck with that. He didn't say that at all. He was asked: why are we not bringing in mandatory vaccines? and he replied that we couldn't continue with restrictions on people's lives forever, and the uptake on vaccines and boosters was not good enough, then there would need to be a "conversation" with the general public as to where we go next. Cal" Thank you | |||
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"There should be no "National Conversation" about mandatory vaccines in a democracy. The State has no business interfering in one's sane, consensual choices regarding one's own body. Do you wear a seat belt? That's a bad analogy, putting on a seatbelt is not as personal or sacrosanct as modifying one's own body permanently That's a good point. Are you happy breathing in polluted air from car exhausts and increasing your risk of heart disease and cancer?" I don't make a habit of standing on busy roads for longer than necessary! | |||
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"For the record . I’m not against vaccinations . I’m against mandates Snap I’m fact I’m not even against mandates. I’m against unjustifiable, unenforceable (without turning into a dictatorship) mandates" | |||
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"There should be no "National Conversation" about mandatory vaccines in a democracy. The State has no business interfering in one's sane, consensual choices regarding one's own body. Do you wear a seat belt? That's a bad analogy, putting on a seatbelt is not as personal or sacrosanct as modifying one's own body permanently That's a good point. Are you happy breathing in polluted air from car exhausts and increasing your risk of heart disease and cancer? I don't make a habit of standing on busy roads for longer than necessary!" some people's houses are surrounded by them. | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why? "Obstinace, arrogance, ignorance….. | |||
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"Boris needs to listen to the hospital staff, when they tell him to put his mask on." | |||
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"There should be no "National Conversation" about mandatory vaccines in a democracy. The State has no business interfering in one's sane, consensual choices regarding one's own body. Do you wear a seat belt? That's a bad analogy, putting on a seatbelt is not as personal or sacrosanct as modifying one's own body permanently That's a good point. Are you happy breathing in polluted air from car exhausts and increasing your risk of heart disease and cancer? I don't make a habit of standing on busy roads for longer than necessary!" But you still allow those people (driving their polluting vehicles) to permanently change your body for the worse. Why don't you want your body 'changed' for the better? | |||
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"I don't recall any fuss being made when the polio vaccination was compulsory, so why make a fuss now about this? Have we become a nation of idiots that disagree with being told to do something that safeguards everyone? " Same with Smallpox, that was made mandatory and where is it now? oh yeah its eradicated. Whether people like it or not the Government has a legal duty to protect the health of its citizens and the Public Health Act already gives it the powers to do whatever is deemed necessary to protect its citizens from an infectious disease. Personally i'd rather not see mandatory vaccinations but if that is what it takes then so be it. Whether we get to mandatory remains to be seen. I suspect the stepping up of Covid Passport requirements for other activities, sports, holidays & employment etc would come first. | |||
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"That's 6 million people. (Soon to be many more not taking the booster) Are you gonna lock them all up? Good luck with that. He didn't say that at all. He was asked: why are we not bringing in mandatory vaccines? and he replied that we couldn't continue with restrictions on people's lives forever, and the uptake on vaccines and boosters was not good enough, then there would need to be a "conversation" with the general public as to where we go next. Cal" No place here for actual facts and details.
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles "And your attitude is precisely why we shall continue going around in circles for much longer than we otherwise would. | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
Did you not see the slide in tonight's briefing, showing a massive correlation between being un-vaxed and being hospitalised?"Did they show a slide with charts and graphs and colours. Must be true if they showed slides  | |||
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"I’m going to throw my 2 pence worth in in the most objective way possible. I am pro vaccination and believe that all people should have all vaccines unless there is a good reason. Reason one: allergic reactions - if you are someone who has had severe allergies in the past or have had a bad response to previous vaccines then I understand the hesitation and would hope that you should be covered via herd mentality. Reason 2: there is something scientific that basis you’re objection. I agree that everyone is entitled to their human rights and you can’t mandate that people must have the vaccine but if you are unwilling to vaccinate yourself then you should be testing at a minimum every other day and definitely everytime you go out in large public spaces. " Hate to break the news to you but even if you are vaccinated you can still pass it on. So are you advising everyone to test or just discriminating against the unvaccinated?  | |||
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"For the record . I’m not against vaccinations . I’m against mandates Snap I’m fact I’m not even against mandates. I’m against unjustifiable, unenforceable (without turning into a dictatorship) mandates" This already is a dictatorship, they have fooled us all. Laughed at us, taxed us while the elite get richer. It’s them and us, they make the rules fit their needs | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
Did you not see the slide in tonight's briefing, showing a massive correlation between being un-vaxed and being hospitalised?
Did they show a slide with charts and graphs and colours.
Must be true if they showed slides "Feel free to present the data that contradicts those slides, in your format of choice | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
Did you not see the slide in tonight's briefing, showing a massive correlation between being un-vaxed and being hospitalised?
Did they show a slide with charts and graphs and colours.
Must be true if they showed slides
Feel free to present the data that contradicts those slides, in your format of choice"Picture this in crayons. Stop believing stuff just cos boris tells ya it's true 
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"I’m going to throw my 2 pence worth in in the most objective way possible. I am pro vaccination and believe that all people should have all vaccines unless there is a good reason. Reason one: allergic reactions - if you are someone who has had severe allergies in the past or have had a bad response to previous vaccines then I understand the hesitation and would hope that you should be covered via herd mentality. Reason 2: there is something scientific that basis you’re objection. I agree that everyone is entitled to their human rights and you can’t mandate that people must have the vaccine but if you are unwilling to vaccinate yourself then you should be testing at a minimum every other day and definitely everytime you go out in large public spaces. Hate to break the news to you but even if you are vaccinated you can still pass it on. So are you advising everyone to test or just discriminating against the unvaccinated? "I’m double vaccinated and I still test twice a week as I work with people that work within st Pancras international. I think everyone should test regularly but I think unvaccinated people should test more often as although you are right you can still catch and pass on Covid while vaccinated the percentage chance that catch Covid in the first place is reduced. It’s not discrimination it’s just doing your part for society | |||
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" To get ahead of Omicron we need to follow the examples happening in other countries by building internment camps asap, ready to isolate the unvaxxed away from civilized society. The time for half measures is over. *The above is most definitely not my personal opinion but it was one shared by a number of people at work today. Scary times. KJ" The Germans look to be going that way but then they do have history..... | |||
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" To get ahead of Omicron we need to follow the examples happening in other countries by building internment camps asap, ready to isolate the unvaxxed away from civilized society. The time for half measures is over. *The above is most definitely not my personal opinion but it was one shared by a number of people at work today. Scary times. KJ" Personally I think everyone should have the vaccine, that’s just my personal opinion. If people don’t want the vaccine and they get Ill and end up dying then that’s up to them. Once I start seeing mandatory vaccines mentioned in the likes of Germany and Austria then I do start to think about how the Nazi’s pushed power and persecuted the Jews and the majority of the population followed suit ! My comments might seem a bit extreme, but once governments/administrations start dictating what is the norm then people who don’t tow that line will be looked on as outsiders. Vaccine passports are the start of that and whilst I’m not a conspiracy theorist if the scientists get their way we’ll have babies coming out of the womb and being jabbed soon ! I am actually scared by the control SAGE have over our government, Neil Ferguson who’s statistics on foot and mouth, SARS and now Covid19 have been so wildly incorrect it’s laughable, he’s sacked from SAGE, ended up at NERVTAG and has now appeared in the media in recent weeks with the tag ‘SAGE scientist’ - how do that happen ! For years the government and their scientists have said, don’t drink this, don’t smoke that, eating that is bad for you and generally the population has gone ‘fook off, you don’t tell me how to live my life’ now they can lock us in our homes after a 20-minute announcement and that is some power to weird, don’t think these people are going to give that up easily ! | |||
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"I’m going to throw my 2 pence worth in in the most objective way possible. I am pro vaccination and believe that all people should have all vaccines unless there is a good reason. Reason one: allergic reactions - if you are someone who has had severe allergies in the past or have had a bad response to previous vaccines then I understand the hesitation and would hope that you should be covered via herd mentality. Reason 2: there is something scientific that basis you’re objection. I agree that everyone is entitled to their human rights and you can’t mandate that people must have the vaccine but if you are unwilling to vaccinate yourself then you should be testing at a minimum every other day and definitely everytime you go out in large public spaces. Hate to break the news to you but even if you are vaccinated you can still pass it on. So are you advising everyone to test or just discriminating against the unvaccinated?
I’m double vaccinated and I still test twice a week as I work with people that work within st Pancras international. I think everyone should test regularly but I think unvaccinated people should test more often as although you are right you can still catch and pass on Covid while vaccinated the percentage chance that catch Covid in the first place is reduced. It’s not discrimination it’s just doing your part for society "Well done. I agree with the early part of your reply and it is nice to see you agree that everyone can pass the virus on. The jury is still out on the level of benefit the vax gives on transmission and please don't try to show a paper written by people sponsored by the makers of the vax as some sort of evidence but thanks for your reply | |||
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" To get ahead of Omicron we need to follow the examples happening in other countries by building internment camps asap, ready to isolate the unvaxxed away from civilized society. The time for half measures is over. *The above is most definitely not my personal opinion but it was one shared by a number of people at work today. Scary times. KJ Personally I think everyone should have the vaccine, that’s just my personal opinion. If people don’t want the vaccine and they get Ill and end up dying then that’s up to them. Once I start seeing mandatory vaccines mentioned in the likes of Germany and Austria then I do start to think about how the Nazi’s pushed power and persecuted the Jews and the majority of the population followed suit ! My comments might seem a bit extreme, but once governments/administrations start dictating what is the norm then people who don’t tow that line will be looked on as outsiders. Vaccine passports are the start of that and whilst I’m not a conspiracy theorist if the scientists get their way we’ll have babies coming out of the womb and being jabbed soon ! I am actually scared by the control SAGE have over our government, Neil Ferguson who’s statistics on foot and mouth, SARS and now Covid19 have been so wildly incorrect it’s laughable, he’s sacked from SAGE, ended up at NERVTAG and has now appeared in the media in recent weeks with the tag ‘SAGE scientist’ - how do that happen ! For years the government and their scientists have said, don’t drink this, don’t smoke that, eating that is bad for you and generally the population has gone ‘fook off, you don’t tell me how to live my life’ now they can lock us in our homes after a 20-minute announcement and that is some power to weird, don’t think these people are going to give that up easily ! " I wouldn't think your comments are extreme.....looking at comments from survivors of world war 2, they say little by little changes were made by the Germans and before they knew it, it was too late. They all say they wish they did something... the vaccine passports and mantadory vaccines are coming. Then the restrictions..... First its night clubs and cinemas...then its supermarkets etc. Then comes buying fuel for your car with a vaccine passport. People have been saying it for months as its been happening in Australia, Canada, France, Austria, Germany and coming soon to the UK... Say goodbye to freedom..... | |||
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" To get ahead of Omicron we need to follow the examples happening in other countries by building internment camps asap, ready to isolate the unvaxxed away from civilized society. The time for half measures is over. *The above is most definitely not my personal opinion but it was one shared by a number of people at work today. Scary times. KJ" It certainly is scary times with people recommending camps for unvaccinated. And its also funny because the figures are still rising in those countries that have the most restrictions... Whereas the countries that have less restrictions, the figures are decreasing. | |||
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" To get ahead of Omicron we need to follow the examples happening in other countries by building internment camps asap, ready to isolate the unvaxxed away from civilized society. The time for half measures is over. *The above is most definitely not my personal opinion but it was one shared by a number of people at work today. Scary times. KJ Personally I think everyone should have the vaccine, that’s just my personal opinion. If people don’t want the vaccine and they get Ill and end up dying then that’s up to them. Once I start seeing mandatory vaccines mentioned in the likes of Germany and Austria then I do start to think about how the Nazi’s pushed power and persecuted the Jews and the majority of the population followed suit ! My comments might seem a bit extreme, but once governments/administrations start dictating what is the norm then people who don’t tow that line will be looked on as outsiders. Vaccine passports are the start of that and whilst I’m not a conspiracy theorist if the scientists get their way we’ll have babies coming out of the womb and being jabbed soon ! I am actually scared by the control SAGE have over our government, Neil Ferguson who’s statistics on foot and mouth, SARS and now Covid19 have been so wildly incorrect it’s laughable, he’s sacked from SAGE, ended up at NERVTAG and has now appeared in the media in recent weeks with the tag ‘SAGE scientist’ - how do that happen ! For years the government and their scientists have said, don’t drink this, don’t smoke that, eating that is bad for you and generally the population has gone ‘fook off, you don’t tell me how to live my life’ now they can lock us in our homes after a 20-minute announcement and that is some power to weird, don’t think these people are going to give that up easily ! I wouldn't think your comments are extreme.....looking at comments from survivors of world war 2, they say little by little changes were made by the Germans and before they knew it, it was too late. They all say they wish they did something... the vaccine passports and mantadory vaccines are coming. Then the restrictions..... First its night clubs and cinemas...then its supermarkets etc. Then comes buying fuel for your car with a vaccine passport. People have been saying it for months as its been happening in Australia, Canada, France, Austria, Germany and coming soon to the UK... Say goodbye to freedom....." I’m not a conspiracy theorist but when you look at that list of countries following suit they either all have shyte leaders like we do or their is a plan being rolled out ! | |||
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"That's 6 million people. (Soon to be many more not taking the booster) Are you gonna lock them all up? Good luck with that. He didn't say that at all. He was asked: why are we not bringing in mandatory vaccines? and he replied that we couldn't continue with restrictions on people's lives forever, and the uptake on vaccines and boosters was not good enough, then there would need to be a "conversation" with the general public as to where we go next. Cal" Thanks for the clarification Cal..
It's been jumped upon and twisted to interpret it as the Op did for one simple reason, on the day after the video which cost Allegra Stretton lost her job one way to switch the narrative is to deflect and how this has been taken does just that..
We are a long way from any discussions regarding mandation of vaccination if ever we have that debate which u seriously doubt would happen in any case..
for the record as someone who has been part of the vaccination programme I am very opposed to such ideas..
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I’m double vaccinated and I still test twice a week as I work with people that work within st Pancras international. I think everyone should test regularly but I think unvaccinated people should test more often as although you are right you can still catch and pass on Covid while vaccinated the percentage chance that catch Covid in the first place is reduced. It’s not discrimination it’s just doing your part for society
Well done. I agree with the early part of your reply and it is nice to see you agree that everyone can pass the virus on. The jury is still out on the level of benefit the vax gives on transmission and please don't try to show a paper written by people sponsored by the makers of the vax as some sort of evidence but thanks for your reply "The vaccine has shown clear signs that it is working in terms of cases(transmission) as well as hospitalisation and deaths(severity) it is very hard to be accurate how much effect it has on transmission as we can’t track who gave it to whom but there is a clear trend that shows that the vaccine helped. I’m waiting for my third jab but most importantly all the older members of my family have had there boosters as well as the annual flu jabs(those that have been invited to have it). I saw earlier people using different analogies but this is the most accurate one I can think of, not having a vaccine is like going to battle without a helmet, yes the helmet isn’t 100% effective but some protection is better than no protection. | |||
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"I did my undergrad dissertation on flu and have a PhD in molecular biology. I'm happy to explain why you should have the vaccine, why it isn't "rushed" or "experimental", etc and anything else. In short though, regardless of helping others, even for selfish reasons do it. Coronavirus can infect any organ in your body. Why would you take that risk? For some the underlying ramifications of infection may not become apparent for years. Exactly this my friend's child caught and recovered from covid... he then ended up in critical care with PIMS TS as a result of what covid did to his body, he's still recovering now " Reuben by any chance? | |||
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"I’m going to throw my 2 pence worth in in the most objective way possible. I am pro vaccination and believe that all people should have all vaccines unless there is a good reason. Reason one: allergic reactions - if you are someone who has had severe allergies in the past or have had a bad response to previous vaccines then I understand the hesitation and would hope that you should be covered via herd mentality. Reason 2: there is something scientific that basis you’re objection. I agree that everyone is entitled to their human rights and you can’t mandate that people must have the vaccine but if you are unwilling to vaccinate yourself then you should be testing at a minimum every other day and definitely everytime you go out in large public spaces. Hate to break the news to you but even if you are vaccinated you can still pass it on. So are you advising everyone to test or just discriminating against the unvaccinated?
I’m double vaccinated and I still test twice a week as I work with people that work within st Pancras international. I think everyone should test regularly but I think unvaccinated people should test more often as although you are right you can still catch and pass on Covid while vaccinated the percentage chance that catch Covid in the first place is reduced. It’s not discrimination it’s just doing your part for society
Well done. I agree with the early part of your reply and it is nice to see you agree that everyone can pass the virus on. The jury is still out on the level of benefit the vax gives on transmission and please don't try to show a paper written by people sponsored by the makers of the vax as some sort of evidence but thanks for your reply
The vaccine has shown clear signs that it is working in terms of cases(transmission) as well as hospitalisation and deaths(severity) it is very hard to be accurate how much effect it has on transmission as we can’t track who gave it to whom but there is a clear trend that shows that the vaccine helped. I’m waiting for my third jab but most importantly all the older members of my family have had there boosters as well as the annual flu jabs(those that have been invited to have it). I saw earlier people using different analogies but this is the most accurate one I can think of, not having a vaccine is like going to battle without a helmet, yes the helmet isn’t 100% effective but some protection is better than no protection."You are assuming that no vaccination equals no protection for some reason. You have obviously been programmed to forget that you have something called an immune system. You have your helmet but I have my magic dust which trumps your helmet as it is tested over forever  | |||
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Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles how did you come to that conclusion
Has anything changed since last year, except a few less hospitalised , answer = no.
More restrictions over a mild cold, since when do we have restrictions for a cold?
That’s more insulting to the families of those that have died than Boris’s aide managed, hope you’re feeling proud of yourself."A close friend of mine died last week from covid. I can assure you it's more than a mild cold.I find your words very insulting | |||
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"I’m going to throw my 2 pence worth in in the most objective way possible. I am pro vaccination and believe that all people should have all vaccines unless there is a good reason. Reason one: allergic reactions - if you are someone who has had severe allergies in the past or have had a bad response to previous vaccines then I understand the hesitation and would hope that you should be covered via herd mentality. Reason 2: there is something scientific that basis you’re objection. I agree that everyone is entitled to their human rights and you can’t mandate that people must have the vaccine but if you are unwilling to vaccinate yourself then you should be testing at a minimum every other day and definitely everytime you go out in large public spaces. Hate to break the news to you but even if you are vaccinated you can still pass it on. So are you advising everyone to test or just discriminating against the unvaccinated?
I’m double vaccinated and I still test twice a week as I work with people that work within st Pancras international. I think everyone should test regularly but I think unvaccinated people should test more often as although you are right you can still catch and pass on Covid while vaccinated the percentage chance that catch Covid in the first place is reduced. It’s not discrimination it’s just doing your part for society
Well done. I agree with the early part of your reply and it is nice to see you agree that everyone can pass the virus on. The jury is still out on the level of benefit the vax gives on transmission and please don't try to show a paper written by people sponsored by the makers of the vax as some sort of evidence but thanks for your reply
The vaccine has shown clear signs that it is working in terms of cases(transmission) as well as hospitalisation and deaths(severity) it is very hard to be accurate how much effect it has on transmission as we can’t track who gave it to whom but there is a clear trend that shows that the vaccine helped. I’m waiting for my third jab but most importantly all the older members of my family have had there boosters as well as the annual flu jabs(those that have been invited to have it). I saw earlier people using different analogies but this is the most accurate one I can think of, not having a vaccine is like going to battle without a helmet, yes the helmet isn’t 100% effective but some protection is better than no protection.
You are assuming that no vaccination equals no protection for some reason.
You have obviously been programmed to forget that you have something called an immune system.
You have your helmet but I have my magic dust which trumps your helmet as it is tested over forever "No I’m not forgetting the immune system that would be let’s say the body armour with out the helmet. You can survive an attack with just body armour but the helmet gives you a better chance. I will always want to give my family the best chance of survival. | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles how did you come to that conclusion
Has anything changed since last year, except a few less hospitalised , answer = no.
More restrictions over a mild cold, since when do we have restrictions for a cold?
That’s more insulting to the families of those that have died than Boris’s aide managed, hope you’re feeling proud of yourself.
A close friend of mine died last week from covid. I can assure you it's more than a mild cold.I find your words very insulting "I guess you didn’t mean to respond to me , but rather the poster I responded to | |||
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"I did my undergrad dissertation on flu and have a PhD in molecular biology. I'm happy to explain why you should have the vaccine, why it isn't "rushed" or "experimental", etc and anything else. In short though, regardless of helping others, even for selfish reasons do it. Coronavirus can infect any organ in your body. Why would you take that risk? For some the underlying ramifications of infection may not become apparent for years. Exactly this my friend's child caught and recovered from covid... he then ended up in critical care with PIMS TS as a result of what covid did to his body, he's still recovering now Reuben by any chance?" ? | |||
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"So many people bringing up the slide show and 90% hospitalizations unvaxxed. I wonder how many of these people realise that if you are double vaxxed and end up in hospital or dead, you are now classed as unvaxxed as you haven't had your third shot. They changed who is classed as vaxxed and unvaxxed only last month, just after the governments own date showed way more deaths per 100,000 for under 60 who were vaxxed. " Any links to substantiate this | |||
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"I did my undergrad dissertation on flu and have a PhD in molecular biology. I'm happy to explain why you should have the vaccine, why it isn't "rushed" or "experimental", etc and anything else. In short though, regardless of helping others, even for selfish reasons do it. Coronavirus can infect any organ in your body. Why would you take that risk? For some the underlying ramifications of infection may not become apparent for years. Exactly this my friend's child caught and recovered from covid... he then ended up in critical care with PIMS TS as a result of what covid did to his body, he's still recovering now Reuben by any chance? ?" The vaccine was rushed for one reason. We don't have the luxury of time. The longer the virus does it's damage, the more people die. Look how long HIV?AIDS took to get under control. Bad mouthing politicians from South Africa did not help the masses to stay virus free. | |||
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"That's 6 million people. (Soon to be many more not taking the booster) Are you gonna lock them all up? Good luck with that. Lock them up? dont be silly prison costs, why waste money on the refusniks. More likely a nice £1,000 fine. 6 Million of those will do nicely to pay for the next set of boosters. ta very much for your future dontation to my health. " Don’t worry, you won’t be requiring many more “boosters” #RIP | |||
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"That's 6 million people. (Soon to be many more not taking the booster) Are you gonna lock them all up? Good luck with that. Lock them up? dont be silly prison costs, why waste money on the refusniks. More likely a nice £1,000 fine. 6 Million of those will do nicely to pay for the next set of boosters. ta very much for your future dontation to my health. Don’t worry, you won’t be requiring many more “boosters” #RIP" whys that then ... | |||
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"For the record . I’m not against vaccinations . I’m against mandates Snap I’m fact I’m not even against mandates. I’m against unjustifiable, unenforceable (without turning into a dictatorship) mandates This already is a dictatorship, they have fooled us all. Laughed at us, taxed us while the elite get richer. It’s them and us, they make the rules fit their needs You do realise that the “elite” pay more in tax than anyone else? I can’t find the exact stat but it’s something like the top 10% of earners paying 60% of the total tax paid in the country. If anyone has the exact number please feel free to share it with me. " deary me. The elite dont pay tax. We Do. The Elite are the ones doing the taxing
what/whom you are referring to is the top wealthy, not the elite.
The elite, own the banks, oil, energy, food/agriculture, pharma giants.
Look up Blackrock. Owns 30% of the globes assets.
One of many corps owned by the elites.
The Elite are above royalty.
They control the flow of money,they directly/indirectly influence and lobby our politics, they are OUR politics.
One rule for them, another rule for US.
im sure you've heard that term a lot recently.
There's a reason.
There's only two classes on this earth.
The ruling.
Then the rest who follow suit.
They own/formed the UN, Nato, club of rome, trilateral commission, world economic forum, bilderbergs, jesuits/vatican...etc the list goes on.
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles how did you come to that conclusion
Has anything changed since last year, except a few less hospitalised , answer = no.
More restrictions over a mild cold, since when do we have restrictions for a cold?
That’s more insulting to the families of those that have died than Boris’s aide managed, hope you’re feeling proud of yourself.
A close friend of mine died last week from covid. I can assure you it's more than a mild cold.I find your words very insulting
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"What about people who don't have the luxury of natural immunity? Negative LFT tests will mean they can go to venues if they chose to I think. Agreed...i meant are people saying they are wrong to get vaccinated " People who can never gain and keep natural immunity even after being exposed | |||
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"That's 6 million people. (Soon to be many more not taking the booster) Are you gonna lock them all up? Good luck with that. " Just do what Greece and Germany are going to do. €100 fine monthly until they get it, refuse to pay, you get the bailiffs round or a charge slapped on your property. It's only fair, selfish individuals who refuse to work together as a society and the same people who are refusing to wear masks most of the the time. The money then used to offset the additional money to cover the NHS care of the unvaxxed. Mother on the News tonight, spouting every other mother should get the vaccine as she didn't at a cost of her baby being C Section delivered at 26 weeks and her on a ventilator in a coma for a month. Putting the cost of her and her baby to the NHS at well over £500,000. A vaccine would have not almost cost her and her child their lives and so much to the NHS. Many pregnant mothers are being delivered early to facilitate ventilation and ridiculous the NHS has to unnecessary fund it with already stretched resources. As for those cancelling boosters, good luck as Darwen theory will prevail.. | |||
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"There should be no "National Conversation" about mandatory vaccines in a democracy. The State has no business interfering in one's sane, consensual choices regarding one's own body. Do you wear a seat belt? That's a bad analogy, putting on a seatbelt is not as personal or sacrosanct as modifying one's own body permanently That's a good point. Are you happy breathing in polluted air from car exhausts and increasing your risk of heart disease and cancer? I don't make a habit of standing on busy roads for longer than necessary! But you still allow those people (driving their polluting vehicles) to permanently change your body for the worse. Why don't you want your body 'changed' for the better? " You don't get a say whether to breathe in air pollution or not, it's a by-product of a necessity (travel), it's an issue which needs addressing but it's not comparable to the covid vaccine. Using the logic of the State taking control of the health and well-being of the population surely then it should outlaw smoking and obesity seeing as how these are also a strain on the NHS as well as factors in the severity covid has on a person? | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles how did you come to that conclusion
Has anything changed since last year, except a few less hospitalised , answer = no.
More restrictions over a mild cold, since when do we have restrictions for a cold?". Maybe brain first might help a mild cold what a stupid thing to say | |||
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"So many people bringing up the slide show and 90% hospitalizations unvaxxed. I wonder how many of these people realise that if you are double vaxxed and end up in hospital or dead, you are now classed as unvaxxed as you haven't had your third shot. They changed who is classed as vaxxed and unvaxxed only last month, just after the governments own date showed way more deaths per 100,000 for under 60 who were vaxxed. " This is actual bull shit btw. You are incorrect. Try not to quote things you don’t have a clue about | |||
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"That's 6 million people. (Soon to be many more not taking the booster) Are you gonna lock them all up? Good luck with that. He didn't say that at all. He was asked: why are we not bringing in mandatory vaccines? and he replied that we couldn't continue with restrictions on people's lives forever, and the uptake on vaccines and boosters was not good enough, then there would need to be a "conversation" with the general public as to where we go next. Cal ----- No place here for actual facts and details.
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" my best friend refuses the vax as had Covid, I’m gunna ask him for his season ticket for Leeds as he ain’t getting in after today’s announcement. " Why make yourself even more depressed | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles how did you come to that conclusion
Has anything changed since last year, except a few less hospitalised , answer = no.
More restrictions over a mild cold, since when do we have restrictions for a cold?"my healthy teenage daughter got covid in july. . She is still suffering from it now. It's not a cold. There are huge differences now from before the vaccines. For a start I no longer have to worry as much about my other daughter who only had a 60% chance of surviving covid before the vaccines. It reduces the severity considerably | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles how did you come to that conclusion
Has anything changed since last year, except a few less hospitalised , answer = no.
More restrictions over a mild cold, since when do we have restrictions for a cold? my healthy teenage daughter got covid in july.
. She is still suffering from it now. It's not a cold. There are huge differences now from before the vaccines. For a start I no longer have to worry as much about my other daughter who only had a 60% chance of surviving covid before the vaccines.
It reduces the severity considerably "Why would one of your daughters only have a 60% chance of surviving Covid? Thats an extremely Low survival rate, even with someone with underlining issues. Who gave you them statistics? | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles how did you come to that conclusion
Has anything changed since last year, except a few less hospitalised , answer = no.
More restrictions over a mild cold, since when do we have restrictions for a cold? my healthy teenage daughter got covid in july.
. She is still suffering from it now. It's not a cold. There are huge differences now from before the vaccines. For a start I no longer have to worry as much about my other daughter who only had a 60% chance of surviving covid before the vaccines.
It reduces the severity considerably
Why would one of your daughters only have a 60% chance of surviving Covid? Thats an extremely
Low survival rate, even with someone with underlining issues. Who gave you them statistics? "that was the percentage that was given for people with her issues. We lost a good many of her friends to covid too. | |||
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"Some of the absolute nonsense I read in these virus threads from both sides are just mind blowing. The world is broken. Turn off your phones and TVs, go outside look in the sky and take a deep breath of fresh air. So many of you need to cleanse your hearts and minds of hate, I've lost all hope for the future of humanity." We have come to the same conclusion. Some people seem to get a sick kind of pleasure from spreading lies fear and panic. | |||
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"That's 6 million people. (Soon to be many more not taking the booster) Are you gonna lock them all up? Good luck with that. Lock them up? dont be silly prison costs, why waste money on the refusniks. More likely a nice £1,000 fine. 6 Million of those will do nicely to pay for the next set of boosters. ta very much for your future dontation to my health. " Start with lovinggent | |||
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"There should be no "National Conversation" about mandatory vaccines in a democracy. The State has no business interfering in one's sane, consensual choices regarding one's own body. Do you wear a seat belt? That's a bad analogy, putting on a seatbelt is not as personal or sacrosanct as modifying one's own body permanently That's a good point. Are you happy breathing in polluted air from car exhausts and increasing your risk of heart disease and cancer? I don't make a habit of standing on busy roads for longer than necessary! But you still allow those people (driving their polluting vehicles) to permanently change your body for the worse. Why don't you want your body 'changed' for the better? You don't get a say whether to breathe in air pollution or not, it's a by-product of a necessity (travel), it's an issue which needs addressing but it's not comparable to the covid vaccine. Using the logic of the State taking control of the health and well-being of the population surely then it should outlaw smoking and obesity seeing as how these are also a strain on the NHS as well as factors in the severity covid has on a person? " The state should 100% ban smoking! Obesity is a symptom you can't ban that. People don't chose to breath in polluted air in the same way they don't chose to breathe in covid hence the government forcing people to wear masks and encouraging them to get vaccinated. | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles "Wow what an interesting view ! I’m not here to challenge views , I’m not into argueing on a swingers forum but “do not work” really !!!! ??? | |||
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"For the record . I’m not against vaccinations . I’m against mandates Snap I’m fact I’m not even against mandates. I’m against unjustifiable, unenforceable (without turning into a dictatorship) mandates This already is a dictatorship, they have fooled us all. Laughed at us, taxed us while the elite get richer. It’s them and us, they make the rules fit their needs You do realise that the “elite” pay more in tax than anyone else? I can’t find the exact stat but it’s something like the top 10% of earners paying 60% of the total tax paid in the country. If anyone has the exact number please feel free to share it with me. " That is both true but also the usual rolled out justification to not address tax evasion by the super rich through financial mechanisms including offshoring and holding wealth via corporate structures. They pay more because they earn more but they also evade a huge amount. Perfect example was Green the owner of Arcadia group - clearly the owner yet ALL shares in wife’s name who domiciled in Monaco so they paid zero tax on dividends. Dividends that were incidentally funded via a massive raid on the pension pot, bankrupting the company and wiping out the pensions of tens of thousands of workers whose hard work had made the Greens rich! | |||
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"Has any government in history anywhere in the world ever voluntarily given up powers that they have taken? This regime must be stopped" Yes, before every general election this is done ????? | |||
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"I’ve tested positive for Omicron here in Glasgow. I could wait to get my booster but had to wait my turn. I would have gladly taken someone’s place that doesn’t want to booster. I do a LFT twice a week as I visit a relative in a care home. Always came back negative. I did my regular LFT and boom straight away 2nd showed up. Booked a PCR test as soon as I could for the next morning. Same result again positive. I know can’t visit my relative to new year. No Christmas present for the auld guy … nothing. " How do you know it's Omicron and not standard covid? A normal pcr wouldn't tell you that | |||
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"I’ve tested positive for Omicron here in Glasgow. I could wait to get my booster but had to wait my turn. I would have gladly taken someone’s place that doesn’t want to booster. I do a LFT twice a week as I visit a relative in a care home. Always came back negative. I did my regular LFT and boom straight away 2nd showed up. Booked a PCR test as soon as I could for the next morning. Same result again positive. I know can’t visit my relative to new year. No Christmas present for the auld guy … nothing. How do you know it's Omicron and not standard covid? A normal pcr wouldn't tell you that " You get an S gone dropout with omicron so PCR can tell you. | |||
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"I’ve tested positive for Omicron here in Glasgow. I could wait to get my booster but had to wait my turn. I would have gladly taken someone’s place that doesn’t want to booster. I do a LFT twice a week as I visit a relative in a care home. Always came back negative. I did my regular LFT and boom straight away 2nd showed up. Booked a PCR test as soon as I could for the next morning. Same result again positive. I know can’t visit my relative to new year. No Christmas present for the auld guy … nothing. How do you know it's Omicron and not standard covid? A normal pcr wouldn't tell you that You get an S gone dropout with omicron so PCR can tell you." Gene* | |||
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"I’ve tested positive for Omicron here in Glasgow. I could wait to get my booster but had to wait my turn. I would have gladly taken someone’s place that doesn’t want to booster. I do a LFT twice a week as I visit a relative in a care home. Always came back negative. I did my regular LFT and boom straight away 2nd showed up. Booked a PCR test as soon as I could for the next morning. Same result again positive. I know can’t visit my relative to new year. No Christmas present for the auld guy … nothing. How do you know it's Omicron and not standard covid? A normal pcr wouldn't tell you that " What test do they use for Omicron? | |||
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"I’ve tested positive for Omicron here in Glasgow. I could wait to get my booster but had to wait my turn. I would have gladly taken someone’s place that doesn’t want to booster. I do a LFT twice a week as I visit a relative in a care home. Always came back negative. I did my regular LFT and boom straight away 2nd showed up. Booked a PCR test as soon as I could for the next morning. Same result again positive. I know can’t visit my relative to new year. No Christmas present for the auld guy … nothing. How do you know it's Omicron and not standard covid? A normal pcr wouldn't tell you that You get an S gone dropout with omicron so PCR can tell you. Gene*" | |||
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"That's 6 million people. (Soon to be many more not taking the booster) Are you gonna lock them all up? Good luck with that. " Think it's time to start locking up people spreading lies and misinformation. | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
Wow what an interesting view !
I’m not here to challenge views , I’m not into argueing on a swingers forum but “do not work” really !!!! ???"To support the other one you are challenging - let's say the vaccines need time to develop! When that happens it might bring back the confidence for the apparently the 6 million without | |||
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"That's 6 million people. (Soon to be many more not taking the booster) Are you gonna lock them all up? Good luck with that. He didn't say that at all. He was asked: why are we not bringing in mandatory vaccines? and he replied that we couldn't continue with restrictions on people's lives forever, and the uptake on vaccines and boosters was not good enough, then there would need to be a "conversation" with the general public as to where we go next. Cal ----- No place here for actual facts and details.
Winston.
Yes... I have noticed.
Cal"The Prime minister says he quite likes cabbage. People are outraged that he says he hates carrots. Pretty much sums it up. Winston. | |||
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"It's a very slippery slope they're talking about.. it sets a precedent for other interventions. I've had many jabs all voluntary, some were with a patents consent (same as I gave for my kids) some with my consent having assessed the pro v con of the jab v chance of disease. They mandated it for care staff a sector that had a staff shortage before and its worse now, they're mandating it for nhs staff next year it was only a matter of time before everyone was. Want to change someones belief you need to understand why they hold that, force coercion bullying restrictions won't do that, mandates as shown by 60,000 care workers leaving the sector don't work. My understanding of the numbers 6 mil adults 0 jabs that number will swell with those who aren't boostered, think theres a large proportion of under 18's that aren't fully jabbed, number I saw was akin to 20 million. if thats anything like thr number Thats a lot of resource that will be excluded. " Our local hospital is apparently at 100% due to “bed blocking”. Patients are unable to go home as not sufficient care workers, many left after mandated vaccinations. Head of local NHS is asking families and friends to step up and offer care so patients can go home. No mention that they have to be vaccinated or not. | |||
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"I’ve tested positive for Omicron here in Glasgow. I could wait to get my booster but had to wait my turn. I would have gladly taken someone’s place that doesn’t want to booster. I do a LFT twice a week as I visit a relative in a care home. Always came back negative. I did my regular LFT and boom straight away 2nd showed up. Booked a PCR test as soon as I could for the next morning. Same result again positive. I know can’t visit my relative to new year. No Christmas present for the auld guy … nothing. How do you know it's Omicron and not standard covid? A normal pcr wouldn't tell you that You get an S gone dropout with omicron so PCR can tell you. Gene* "Ah okay. Didn't know that | |||
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"There should be no "National Conversation" about mandatory vaccines in a democracy. The State has no business interfering in one's sane, consensual choices regarding one's own body. Do you wear a seat belt? That's a bad analogy, putting on a seatbelt is not as personal or sacrosanct as modifying one's own body permanently That's a good point. Are you happy breathing in polluted air from car exhausts and increasing your risk of heart disease and cancer? I don't make a habit of standing on busy roads for longer than necessary! But you still allow those people (driving their polluting vehicles) to permanently change your body for the worse. Why don't you want your body 'changed' for the better? You don't get a say whether to breathe in air pollution or not, it's a by-product of a necessity (travel), it's an issue which needs addressing but it's not comparable to the covid vaccine. Using the logic of the State taking control of the health and well-being of the population surely then it should outlaw smoking and obesity seeing as how these are also a strain on the NHS as well as factors in the severity covid has on a person? The state should 100% ban smoking! Obesity is a symptom you can't ban that. People don't chose to breath in polluted air in the same way they don't chose to breathe in covid hence the government forcing people to wear masks and encouraging them to get vaccinated. " The key word there is "encouraging" not FORCING! Which is what a disturbing number of people seem to think is acceptable. | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
I'm not in favour of mandatory vaccines.
What we need is better education and a more informed society. I don't mean to pick on you, as there are a lot of people with this kind of misunderstanding about the vaccines, what they're for and what they do.
For example, if this guy was better informed, and had a better understanding, he would have been less likely to cancel his booster."He has probably been listening to all the bullisht posted on here. | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
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Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
I'm not in favour of mandatory vaccines.
What we need is better education and a more informed society. I don't mean to pick on you, as there are a lot of people with this kind of misunderstanding about the vaccines, what they're for and what they do.
For example, if this guy was better informed, and had a better understanding, he would have been less likely to cancel his booster."I have a full understanding of the vaccines and what they do i won't be having a booster. That's a massive assumption you've made | |||
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"If a national conversation was to be had, it would most likely be driven by events escalating out of control. If the majority of the country decides to back a mandatory vaccination programme, it does not mean people will be forced to take the vaccine. " If they went down the road of doing a referendum (highly unlikely) then you can guarantee they'll ramp up the lockdowns & pipe more fear through the msm to scare the life out of the masses. | |||
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"If a national conversation was to be had, it would most likely be driven by events escalating out of control. If the majority of the country decides to back a mandatory vaccination programme, it does not mean people will be forced to take the vaccine. If they went down the road of doing a referendum (highly unlikely) then you can guarantee they'll ramp up the lockdowns & pipe more fear through the msm to scare the life out of the masses. " I didn't mention referendum, the fact the majority of the public are vaccinated could be seen as evidence for vaccination support and MP's would be more than likely asked to vote on such measures on behalf of their constituents | |||
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"So many people bringing up the slide show and 90% hospitalizations unvaxxed. I wonder how many of these people realise that if you are double vaxxed and end up in hospital or dead, you are now classed as unvaxxed as you haven't had your third shot. They changed who is classed as vaxxed and unvaxxed only last month, just after the governments own date showed way more deaths per 100,000 for under 60 who were vaxxed. This is actual bull shit btw. You are incorrect. Try not to quote things you don’t have a clue about " The poster you responded to is the reason why there are so many conspiracies. They read things they don’t understand or just look at the headlines and then spread false information. The only references I found to the 3 jab requirement was a Reuters report just over 3 weeks ago and after after several reports about the unvaccinated making up the majority of hospitalisations. The report actually said that’s it’s something that will have to be considered eventually, but there was no timeframe. So unless something has radically changed in the last couple of weeks, the poster is actually making it up. | |||
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"If dogs could talk, would they object to the rabies jab? More importantly, would it be more sensible to ignore the individual and protect the masses instead? No one has the right to spread this virus. Some people can't even wash their hands after a shit or piss. This stupid attitude is a public health risk: not a display of human rights. This is why viruses spread, poor hygiene, attitudes and stubbornness." Rabies has something like a 100% mortality rate Not really the same tbh | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day "I really mean no offence at all, but you seem to be in the category that really would benefit from the booster. Maybe you could reconsider it in future. I suppose it’s all your choice though. I definitely believe we should all have the freedom to do as we wish | |||
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" Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
I'm not in favour of mandatory vaccines.
What we need is better education and a more informed society. I don't mean to pick on you, as there are a lot of people with this kind of misunderstanding about the vaccines, what they're for and what they do.
For example, if this guy was better informed, and had a better understanding, he would have been less likely to cancel his booster.
I have a full understanding of the vaccines and what they do i won't be having a booster.
That's a massive assumption you've made"I was just using this guy as an example. No offense intended. He explained that he has little to no knowledge of vaccines. And said he used this misunderstanding to base his choice on. He's not alone. I've no clue why you chose not to get the vaccine. | |||
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"Interesting.... Someone opens with a headline that's not true, people take it as gospel and lose their shit over it. Winston" You work for Pfizer or something winston … you seem to be for every pro government , pro big pharma on everything. Imagine trusting those two with there exceptional records for being truthful and upstanding, and then commenting on this forum being derogatory to people who don’t follow your jaded opinion | |||
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"Interesting.... Someone opens with a headline that's not true, people take it as gospel and lose their shit over it. Winston You work for Pfizer or something winston … you seem to be for every pro government , pro big pharma on everything. Imagine trusting those two with there exceptional records for being truthful and upstanding, and then commenting on this forum being derogatory to people who don’t follow your jaded opinion " Do you not understand your own OP or what it's about? | |||
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"Interesting.... Someone opens with a headline that's not true, people take it as gospel and lose their shit over it. Winston You work for Pfizer or something winston … you seem to be for every pro government , pro big pharma on everything. Imagine trusting those two with there exceptional records for being truthful and upstanding, and then commenting on this forum being derogatory to people who don’t follow your jaded opinion Do you not understand your own OP or what it's about? " I'd say that there is not much chance of this thread getting back on topic (whatever it really was) now that even the OP has hijacked his own thread! | |||
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"Just cancelled my booster best thing I done all day
Why?
Simply because the vaccines do not work in the slightest hence going round and round in circles
Did you not see the slide in tonight's briefing, showing a massive correlation between being un-vaxed and being hospitalised?"You can take the broken record off the record player and take the keys out of the digger any time soon… please please please wake up very soon to what is really really happening in the world right in front of our eyes! i genuinely pray for people like yourself! | |||
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"Interesting.... Someone opens with a headline that's not true, people take it as gospel and lose their shit over it. Winston You work for Pfizer or something winston … you seem to be for every pro government , pro big pharma on everything. Imagine trusting those two with there exceptional records for being truthful and upstanding, and then commenting on this forum being derogatory to people who don’t follow your jaded opinion " My comment has very little to do with being pro government or pro pharma. It has everything to do with the lack of truth in your thread headline, which some people are taking it as gospel truth. Winston | |||
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