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"I've not had to show a vax ID to enter a shop...is this a new thing?" Ireland Scotland Wales currently have vaccine passports… in the pipeline for England | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? " The only thing is that 99.999% of statistics are made up to prove a point | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? " Well you have got a few things wrong for a start. Survival rate ie death rate / number of people tested is 98.5%. Obviously it will be a little higher as some people are asymptomatic and don't get tested but it a lot closer to 98.5% than your figure. Average age of covid death was 82 at the beginning of Sept 2020, in before the vaccines. The average age has dropped to below 80 by end of 2020 and it has continued to drop. So your "facts" aren't even facts,also you don't have to show ID to enter any shop. If you don't know why vaccinations and mask are a good thing covid wise i suggest you Google it there is loads of info on it. | |||
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"The only thing is that 99.999% of statistics are made up to prove a point"  "Lies, damn lies and statistics". | |||
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question " Maybe because the virus causes long-term health problems, is costing the health service millions and would result in it being far worse without the measures in place. There's lots of good peer reviewed articles about. | |||
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question Maybe because the virus causes long-term health problems, is costing the health service millions and would result in it being far worse without the measures in place. There's lots of good peer reviewed articles about." Can you direct me to some ? | |||
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question Maybe because the virus causes long-term health problems, is costing the health service millions and would result in it being far worse without the measures in place. There's lots of good peer reviewed articles about. Can you direct me to some ? " Why don’t you direst us to you “facts” …. | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? Well you have got a few things wrong for a start. Survival rate ie death rate / number of people tested is 98.5%. Obviously it will be a little higher as some people are asymptomatic and don't get tested but it a lot closer to 98.5% than your figure. Average age of covid death was 82 at the beginning of Sept 2020, in before the vaccines. The average age has dropped to below 80 by end of 2020 and it has continued to drop. So your "facts" aren't even facts,also you don't have to show ID to enter any shop. If you don't know why vaccinations and mask are a good thing covid wise i suggest you Google it there is loads of info on it. " And children over 12 are being offered a jab... So other than all the facts... It was accurate | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? " Agree, no doubt a few will question your stats but they are not far out and it remains a solid statement | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? " You want someone to explain why you're misinformed and confused? | |||
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"1st point .... factually incorrect 2nd point .... if true then thanks for giving us the very reason we need masks and social distancing if so many are asymptomatic and unknowingly spreading a highly infectious disease. 3rd point .... Whatever the average age of death, human beings have a right to life and protection from disease no matter their age or are you saying its only the old ones dying so thats ok? With a bit of luck you might be one of those old ones in years to come. As for the why are we vaxing as many as possible, duh you cant really be that dense, the unvaxed are a open invitation for the virus to use as a resvoir for further infections. Without that resevoir the virus will find it harder to propogate and spread and or mutate. Oh and proof of vax isnt required in shops. We are all in a global public health emergency, measures need to be taken to protect all the population. I do wonder what the attitude would be if the average age of death was 20-40 or that Covid caused impotence ...." This. ^^^ Winston | |||
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"Riddle me this. In Co Waterford in Ireland, we have close to 98% vaccination(gov statistic, strange there must be no children down there) . Yet, last week we had the highest rate of infection in the country. " Now that I do believe. My local area had one of the highest vax rates and the highest infection rate per 100k...yet my friends who live in Southend and Durham.. Having much lower vax rates..have considerably lower infection rates. Go figure. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society" What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. | |||
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"Riddle me this. In Co Waterford in Ireland, we have close to 98% vaccination(gov statistic, strange there must be no children down there) . Yet, last week we had the highest rate of infection in the country. " High Infection means epidemic not pandemic ... More infections but less deaths, qualifies that If your death rate in Waterford is going up then I can be happily corrected  | |||
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"1st point I do wonder what the attitude would be if the average age of death was 20-40 or that Covid caused impotence ...." That is happening with vaccinated people now. People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. " As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. " Another one who doesn’t understand statistics. You do realise that if 100% of people are vaccinated then any new infections will be 100% in vaccinated people. | |||
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"Riddle me this. In Co Waterford in Ireland, we have close to 98% vaccination(gov statistic, strange there must be no children down there) . Yet, last week we had the highest rate of infection in the country. High Infection means epidemic not pandemic ... More infections but less deaths, qualifies that If your death rate in Waterford is going up then I can be happily corrected "If people aren't infected with it, they can't die with it? Higher infections leads to higher deaths... Lower infections are clearly desirable. | |||
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"1st point I do wonder what the attitude would be if the average age of death was 20-40 or that Covid caused impotence .... That is happening with vaccinated people now. People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." I know you've posted that before, been asked this question and failed to provide a credible answer, (any answer actually) but feel feel to post an authorative source for that. Winston | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? " For a start I don't know where in hades those stats came from but they're completely rubbish. I've seen these quoted before by Antivaxer snowflake groups and have no scientific fact at all. Out of the percentage that catch it, a percentage will die, especially those who have underlying issues. Its as simple as that, in pretty nasty and distressing circumstances. Another percentage go onto to display long COVID Symptoms. Most common of these is tiredness, no sweat you say, actually it's pretty serious! The tiredness has come about through multiple organ damage, such as kidney, heart or liver malfunction. Some of those then succumb to delayed organ failure and death. Some go on to long term ill health which as we're only into the second year who knows how long they have. Then there's those who have very little Symptoms or effect. They may intern go onto longer health issues or recover. In other words virtually none will really recover from covid at all. Currently those facts still stand up in any WHO, CDC or NHS Study. | |||
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"1st point I do wonder what the attitude would be if the average age of death was 20-40 or that Covid caused impotence .... That is happening with vaccinated people now. People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News. I know you've posted that before, been asked this question and failed to provide a credible answer, (any answer actually) but feel feel to post an authorative source for that. Winston " Totally agree, basically impossible to make the blind see after scrolling up .... never mind | |||
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"1st point I do wonder what the attitude would be if the average age of death was 20-40 or that Covid caused impotence .... That is happening with vaccinated people now. People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." and all those things happen with the unvaccinated too how do you explain that then? | |||
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"1st point I do wonder what the attitude would be if the average age of death was 20-40 or that Covid caused impotence .... That is happening with vaccinated people now. People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Thankfully, the published credible evidence doesn't support your claims. | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? " 266 million cases , 5 million deaths. Doesn't work out at .005 percent in my calculations. Maybe you need a new abacus. | |||
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"1st point I do wonder what the attitude would be if the average age of death was 20-40 or that Covid caused impotence .... That is happening with vaccinated people now. People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News. and all those things happen with the unvaccinated too how do you explain that then? " Don’t be silly, no one used to die of anything before vaccinations came along. | |||
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"I haven't quoted percentages because they're all pretty much subjective and open to interpretation and differences in the way different nations record and qualify their results. Also these stats also change daily so its almost impossible to quote a realistic figure. One thing for certain recovery is no where near 90% let alone 99% and I think that's a fairly safe percentage" More total crap being quoted ffs It scares people | |||
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"1st point I do wonder what the attitude would be if the average age of death was 20-40 or that Covid caused impotence .... That is happening with vaccinated people now. People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News. and all those things happen with the unvaccinated too how do you explain that then? Don’t be silly, no one used to die of anything before vaccinations came along." my apologies id forgotten that .... oh yikes nemory loss, must be my booster jab  | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? The only thing is that 99.999% of statistics are made up to prove a point" Welcoming me to the world of politics lol   | |||
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"Riddle me this. In Co Waterford in Ireland, we have close to 98% vaccination(gov statistic, strange there must be no children down there) . Yet, last week we had the highest rate of infection in the country. High Infection means epidemic not pandemic ... More infections but less deaths, qualifies that If your death rate in Waterford is going up then I can be happily corrected
If people aren't infected with it, they can't die with it? Higher infections leads to higher deaths... Lower infections are clearly desirable. ". Just because you declare that something is desirable doesn’t mean it’s achievable or indeed practical. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston." Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it. | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? Well you have got a few things wrong for a start. Survival rate ie death rate / number of people tested is 98.5%. Obviously it will be a little higher as some people are asymptomatic and don't get tested but it a lot closer to 98.5% than your figure. Average age of covid death was 82 at the beginning of Sept 2020, in before the vaccines. The average age has dropped to below 80 by end of 2020 and it has continued to drop. So your "facts" aren't even facts,also you don't have to show ID to enter any shop. If you don't know why vaccinations and mask are a good thing covid wise i suggest you Google it there is loads of info on it. " . Er pretty obvious that the average age of deaths will drop because the vaccine take up amongst the very elderly is high. While younger people make up the vast majority of unvaccinated. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. Another one who doesn’t understand statistics. You do realise that if 100% of people are vaccinated then any new infections will be 100% in vaccinated people. " Another one with a single minded point of view.... You do realise that my response was to the person stating 'no vax = selfish' It is clear that the more that have the vaccines, the higher the number of vaxxed there will be because of the vaccine not doing what a vaccine should do and that is to stop the virus. These rushed 'vaccines' just limit some peoples reaction to the virus. | |||
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"Riddle me this. In Co Waterford in Ireland, we have close to 98% vaccination(gov statistic, strange there must be no children down there) . Yet, last week we had the highest rate of infection in the country. " If it is anything like we can observe in England, then there are many vaccinated people completely throwing caution to the wind and walking around/mixing like they are invincible and zero risk to others. People don’t understand risk or that they can still catch and transmit. | |||
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"Riddle me this. In Co Waterford in Ireland, we have close to 98% vaccination(gov statistic, strange there must be no children down there) . Yet, last week we had the highest rate of infection in the country. High Infection means epidemic not pandemic ... More infections but less deaths, qualifies that If your death rate in Waterford is going up then I can be happily corrected "I agree that death rate and hospitalisation/ICU rate are what really matters not infections but in addition long covid needs more studies. What proportion of the infected stay out of hospital but still develop conditions that have an impact on their life. Also how do measure the severity of that impact? | |||
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"1st point I do wonder what the attitude would be if the average age of death was 20-40 or that Covid caused impotence .... That is happening with vaccinated people now. People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News. I know you've posted that before, been asked this question and failed to provide a credible answer, (any answer actually) but feel feel to post an authorative source for that. Winston " Winston, I have previously posted a link in another post to the Pfizer study that has been released by the FDA showing stats. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it." What I don't understand is why you've edited out your original BS comment from your reply here. "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Again, provide a citation from a credible source to support your statement. Winston | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it. What I don't understand is why you've edited out your original BS comment from your reply here. "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Again, provide a citation from a credible source to support your statement. Winston " What does the BS in your post mean? lol Please note the forum rules before posting: Don't badmouth other members or "name and shame": | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it. What I don't understand is why you've edited out your original BS comment from your reply here. "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Again, provide a citation from a credible source to support your statement. Winston " Winston you only have to look in the BE HONEST post in this forum to see an account of someone who has had adverse reactions to the vaccine. A one size vaccine does not fit all. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it. What I don't understand is why you've edited out your original BS comment from your reply here. "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Again, provide a citation from a credible source to support your statement. Winston What does the BS in your post mean? lol Please note the forum rules before posting: Don't badmouth other members or "name and shame":" No credible citation then? Winston | |||
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"Riddle me this. In Co Waterford in Ireland, we have close to 98% vaccination(gov statistic, strange there must be no children down there) . Yet, last week we had the highest rate of infection in the country. High Infection means epidemic not pandemic ... More infections but less deaths, qualifies that If your death rate in Waterford is going up then I can be happily corrected
If people aren't infected with it, they can't die with it? Higher infections leads to higher deaths... Lower infections are clearly desirable. . Just because you declare that something is desirable doesn’t mean it’s achievable or indeed practical."That's very true. However some people continue saying infections don't matter when they clearly do matter. It's also evidenced that areas with high vax rates continue to have some of the highest infection rates. Yes rates per 100k. As appears further up this thread. Now I'd assume that's behavioural but its an assumption from a keyboard warrior and it certainly merits attention. | |||
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" “…….because of the vaccine not doing what a vaccine should do and that is to stop the virus.” That line alone shows an astonishing lack of understanding. If you believe that was the case, then you really should get your news from another source. " | |||
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"1st point I do wonder what the attitude would be if the average age of death was 20-40 or that Covid caused impotence .... That is happening with vaccinated people now. People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News. I know you've posted that before, been asked this question and failed to provide a credible answer, (any answer actually) but feel feel to post an authorative source for that. Winston Winston, I have previously posted a link in another post to the Pfizer study that has been released by the FDA showing stats. " These stats had no base rate to compare against irrc. So no way of knowing if the vaccines caused it in any way. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it. What I don't understand is why you've edited out your original BS comment from your reply here. "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Again, provide a citation from a credible source to support your statement. Winston Winston you only have to look in the BE HONEST post in this forum to see an account of someone who has had adverse reactions to the vaccine. A one size vaccine does not fit all." I'm not sure of anyone has said that it's not without risk. Wasn't there a BBC reporter who died? But in England and Wales c 10 people have had vaccine as being the cause of death on their death certificate. It wasnt clear from the other post what how the poster knew for sure it was vaccine related. But taking it in good faith that they were told it was the cause, it still appears to be very low risk. They were really really unlucky. But the shit thing is, someone is going to be unlucky. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it. What I don't understand is why you've edited out your original BS comment from your reply here. "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Again, provide a citation from a credible source to support your statement. Winston Winston you only have to look in the BE HONEST post in this forum to see an account of someone who has had adverse reactions to the vaccine. A one size vaccine does not fit all.I'm not sure of anyone has said that it's not without risk. Wasn't there a BBC reporter who died? But in England and Wales c 10 people have had vaccine as being the cause of death on their death certificate. It wasnt clear from the other post what how the poster knew for sure it was vaccine related. But taking it in good faith that they were told it was the cause, it still appears to be very low risk. They were really really unlucky. But the shit thing is, someone is going to be unlucky. " You are right. someone is going to be unlucky. In fact a lot of people have been unlucky. Except for Boris, who when having his vaccine, he was fortunate that the nurse kept the needle cap on throughout the process lol. Clearly seen when zoomed in on the video. But I'm waiting in anticipation of Winstons reponse to this lol. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it. What I don't understand is why you've edited out your original BS comment from your reply here. "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Again, provide a citation from a credible source to support your statement. Winston Winston you only have to look in the BE HONEST post in this forum to see an account of someone who has had adverse reactions to the vaccine. A one size vaccine does not fit all.I'm not sure of anyone has said that it's not without risk. Wasn't there a BBC reporter who died? But in England and Wales c 10 people have had vaccine as being the cause of death on their death certificate. It wasnt clear from the other post what how the poster knew for sure it was vaccine related. But taking it in good faith that they were told it was the cause, it still appears to be very low risk. They were really really unlucky. But the shit thing is, someone is going to be unlucky. You are right. someone is going to be unlucky. In fact a lot of people have been unlucky. Except for Boris, who when having his vaccine, he was fortunate that the nurse kept the needle cap on throughout the process lol. Clearly seen when zoomed in on the video. But I'm waiting in anticipation of Winstons reponse to this lol." Sorry, you’re incorrect, the sleeve is retractable. This FALSE rumour has been around since the vaccine was rolled out. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. Another one who doesn’t understand statistics. You do realise that if 100% of people are vaccinated then any new infections will be 100% in vaccinated people. Another one with a single minded point of view.... You do realise that my response was to the person stating 'no vax = selfish' It is clear that the more that have the vaccines, the higher the number of vaxxed there will be because of the vaccine not doing what a vaccine should do and that is to stop the virus. These rushed 'vaccines' just limit some peoples reaction to the virus. " The number of people testing positive for covid Jan 2021 53K (7 day average) in lockdown In January of this year we had no vaccinations the covid death rate was at its highest, on the 20th Jan 1820 deaths from covid were recorded. On average 1000 people died each day from covid in January 2021. The number of people testing positive Nov (full month) 2021 43K & No Restrictions November 2021 82% of the public aged 12+ in the UK have had 2 doses, that is the vast majority of the country. The 7 day average for covid deaths Nov 2021 is 144 As you can see the vaccines have reduced the death count significantly. The infection rate in November is lower than January when the country was in lockdown. This is why we will not see a return to lockdown, this is why people are going about their day to day business. I really don't care if you have or have not had the vaccine, it is your choice. What I do care about is people like you that take any opportunity to run down the effectiveness of the vaccine and repeat fallacies you have not taken time to corroborate as they fit your narrative. I congratulate our scientists who have used remarkable techniques to build a vaccine that has saved millions of lives world wide and allowed all of us to start living a normal life again, you included. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. Another one who doesn’t understand statistics. You do realise that if 100% of people are vaccinated then any new infections will be 100% in vaccinated people. Another one with a single minded point of view.... You do realise that my response was to the person stating 'no vax = selfish' It is clear that the more that have the vaccines, the higher the number of vaxxed there will be because of the vaccine not doing what a vaccine should do and that is to stop the virus. These rushed 'vaccines' just limit some peoples reaction to the virus. The number of people testing positive for covid Jan 2021 53K (7 day average) in lockdown In January of this year we had no vaccinations the covid death rate was at its highest, on the 20th Jan 1820 deaths from covid were recorded. On average 1000 people died each day from covid in January 2021. The number of people testing positive Nov (full month) 2021 43K & No Restrictions November 2021 82% of the public aged 12+ in the UK have had 2 doses, that is the vast majority of the country. The 7 day average for covid deaths Nov 2021 is 144 As you can see the vaccines have reduced the death count significantly. The infection rate in November is lower than January when the country was in lockdown. This is why we will not see a return to lockdown, this is why people are going about their day to day business. I really don't care if you have or have not had the vaccine, it is your choice. What I do care about is people like you that take any opportunity to run down the effectiveness of the vaccine and repeat fallacies you have not taken time to corroborate as they fit your narrative. I congratulate our scientists who have used remarkable techniques to build a vaccine that has saved millions of lives world wide and allowed all of us to start living a normal life again, you included. "  | |||
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question " Seriously? Do you have any idea what 98% of the population of the UK is, let alone the World? At those sort of death rates, COVID will be on course to kill more British people than WWII did. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it. What I don't understand is why you've edited out your original BS comment from your reply here. "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Again, provide a citation from a credible source to support your statement. Winston Winston you only have to look in the BE HONEST post in this forum to see an account of someone who has had adverse reactions to the vaccine. A one size vaccine does not fit all.I'm not sure of anyone has said that it's not without risk. Wasn't there a BBC reporter who died? But in England and Wales c 10 people have had vaccine as being the cause of death on their death certificate. It wasnt clear from the other post what how the poster knew for sure it was vaccine related. But taking it in good faith that they were told it was the cause, it still appears to be very low risk. They were really really unlucky. But the shit thing is, someone is going to be unlucky. You are right. someone is going to be unlucky. In fact a lot of people have been unlucky. Except for Boris, who when having his vaccine, he was fortunate that the nurse kept the needle cap on throughout the process lol. Clearly seen when zoomed in on the video. But I'm waiting in anticipation of Winstons reponse to this lol." Sheesh!!! Anti vaxxors will stop at nothing to spread disinformation | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it. What I don't understand is why you've edited out your original BS comment from your reply here. "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Again, provide a citation from a credible source to support your statement. Winston Winston you only have to look in the BE HONEST post in this forum to see an account of someone who has had adverse reactions to the vaccine. A one size vaccine does not fit all.I'm not sure of anyone has said that it's not without risk. Wasn't there a BBC reporter who died? But in England and Wales c 10 people have had vaccine as being the cause of death on their death certificate. It wasnt clear from the other post what how the poster knew for sure it was vaccine related. But taking it in good faith that they were told it was the cause, it still appears to be very low risk. They were really really unlucky. But the shit thing is, someone is going to be unlucky. You are right. someone is going to be unlucky. In fact a lot of people have been unlucky. Except for Boris, who when having his vaccine, he was fortunate that the nurse kept the needle cap on throughout the process lol. Clearly seen when zoomed in on the video. But I'm waiting in anticipation of Winstons reponse to this lol." We're still awaiting your citation for this; "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same" You keep deflecting, why is that? Winston | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it. What I don't understand is why you've edited out your original BS comment from your reply here. "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Again, provide a citation from a credible source to support your statement. Winston Winston you only have to look in the BE HONEST post in this forum to see an account of someone who has had adverse reactions to the vaccine. A one size vaccine does not fit all.I'm not sure of anyone has said that it's not without risk. Wasn't there a BBC reporter who died? But in England and Wales c 10 people have had vaccine as being the cause of death on their death certificate. It wasnt clear from the other post what how the poster knew for sure it was vaccine related. But taking it in good faith that they were told it was the cause, it still appears to be very low risk. They were really really unlucky. But the shit thing is, someone is going to be unlucky. You are right. someone is going to be unlucky. In fact a lot of people have been unlucky. Except for Boris, who when having his vaccine, he was fortunate that the nurse kept the needle cap on throughout the process lol. Clearly seen when zoomed in on the video. But I'm waiting in anticipation of Winstons reponse to this lol." are you saying the vaccines have risks or the method of injecting has risks ? | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it. What I don't understand is why you've edited out your original BS comment from your reply here. "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Again, provide a citation from a credible source to support your statement. Winston Winston you only have to look in the BE HONEST post in this forum to see an account of someone who has had adverse reactions to the vaccine. A one size vaccine does not fit all.I'm not sure of anyone has said that it's not without risk. Wasn't there a BBC reporter who died? But in England and Wales c 10 people have had vaccine as being the cause of death on their death certificate. It wasnt clear from the other post what how the poster knew for sure it was vaccine related. But taking it in good faith that they were told it was the cause, it still appears to be very low risk. They were really really unlucky. But the shit thing is, someone is going to be unlucky. You are right. someone is going to be unlucky. In fact a lot of people have been unlucky. Except for Boris, who when having his vaccine, he was fortunate that the nurse kept the needle cap on throughout the process lol. Clearly seen when zoomed in on the video. But I'm waiting in anticipation of Winstons reponse to this lol.are you saying the vaccines have risks or the method of injecting has risks ?" Everything has a risk to a greater or lesser extent. In this case the risk from the vaccine is a much, much, much smaller than the risk of going to hospital with Covid of you're not vaxxed. | |||
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"1st point I do wonder what the attitude would be if the average age of death was 20-40 or that Covid caused impotence .... That is happening with vaccinated people now. People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News. and all those things happen with the unvaccinated too how do you explain that then? Don’t be silly, no one used to die of anything before vaccinations came along." Mr tospsey turvey appears yet again. People used to die for all sorts of reasons but after March16th 2021 all illnesses were “healed” by covid19 taking over the narrative of what people’s causes of death “became”. Including the fact people were not being given autopsies unless the families pushed. Also being further fuelled by mass testing using pcr tests with cycle thresholds being done at a level a stone would test positive. | |||
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"1st point I do wonder what the attitude would be if the average age of death was 20-40 or that Covid caused impotence .... That is happening with vaccinated people now. People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News. and all those things happen with the unvaccinated too how do you explain that then? Don’t be silly, no one used to die of anything before vaccinations came along. Mr tospsey turvey appears yet again. People used to die for all sorts of reasons but after March16th 2021 all illnesses were “healed” by covid19 taking over the narrative of what people’s causes of death “became”. Including the fact people were not being given autopsies unless the families pushed. Also being further fuelled by mass testing using pcr tests with cycle thresholds being done at a level a stone would test positive. "Routine autopsies have never been done before or during covid. All the stats are there about what people die of. Weirdly enough the number of people who have died of covid is broadly the same as the increase in excess deaths, but maybe something else has killed them. Not sure what you are talking about cycle thresholds and am fairly sure you don't. I have had 14 PCR, all negative except surprisingly when I had covid. | |||
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"Ok don’t wear a mask…..get Covid without knowing it….then give it to your Gran so she can die in agony in hospital whilst NHS staff struggle to save her. Then quote your stats to the other grieving relatives!!!!" . Seriously childish comment. You can make up any sequence of events you want. Reality is life has to go on. It’s totally impractical to shield and protect the whole world. If you really fancy having a juvenile rant about mask wearing meet me in central london and we can tour the packed pubs, restaurants, cafes etc . Plenty of people you can challenge. | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? " 150,000 deaths in 2 years, over 1 million people, including children with lives ruined by long Covid and you seriously think that is a question worth asking? Want to imagine what it would have been like if these precautions were not taken? | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? 150,000 deaths in 2 years, over 1 million people, including children with lives ruined by long Covid and you seriously think that is a question worth asking? Want to imagine what it would have been like if these precautions were not taken?" So its now over 1 million people with Long Covid and their lives are ruined? Surely if you believed it was that serious you wouldn’t be looking to meet? | |||
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"Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? " Would you listen, consider and be open minded? | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? 150,000 deaths in 2 years, over 1 million people, including children with lives ruined by long Covid and you seriously think that is a question worth asking? Want to imagine what it would have been like if these precautions were not taken? So its now over 1 million people with Long Covid and their lives are ruined? Surely if you believed it was that serious you wouldn’t be looking to meet? " I’m very selective about who I meet and haven’t met up with anyone in the last 4 months - we all do our own personal risk assessments, I’m sure. Over 5,000,000 cases and 20,000 deaths since our woeful PM declared ‘Freedom Day’ and encouraged people to take fewer/no precautions…. | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? 150,000 deaths in 2 years, over 1 million people, including children with lives ruined by long Covid and you seriously think that is a question worth asking? Want to imagine what it would have been like if these precautions were not taken? So its now over 1 million people with Long Covid and their lives are ruined? Surely if you believed it was that serious you wouldn’t be looking to meet? I’m very selective about who I meet and haven’t met up with anyone in the last 4 months - we all do our own personal risk assessments, I’m sure. Over 5,000,000 cases and 20,000 deaths since our woeful PM declared ‘Freedom Day’ and encouraged people to take fewer/no precautions…. " Do as I say not as I do then. You should run for Parliament, you’d fit in very well | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? " don’t ask too many questions and do what your told. And the bbc should point you in the right direction as you are not encouraged to think logically about things anymore, just put common sense to the side and follow the science. | |||
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"… Do as I say not as I do then. You should run for Parliament, you’d fit in very well " I’m not sure I understand your intended insult. I follow all the guidelines and would only meet someone that did the same. I’ve not said that you shouldn’t meet anyone but that you need to assess the risk. That’s ‘do as I say, do as I do’ , surely? | |||
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question " A) your figure’s are wrong to begin with….. B) define “survived” ….. because for a lot of people I know, that’s not the same as “making a complete recovery “ or “being where they were before covid” So many people are so fixated on the death rate and figures…… of which yours are wrong anyway! They don’t see the big picture…. C) mask wearing rules in the uk have NEVER applied to those under 12… they may be encouraged to wear them, but legally they have never had to…. That is why they were always left out of group meeting restrictions | |||
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" Including the fact people were not being given autopsies unless the families pushed. Also being further fuelled by mass testing using pcr tests with cycle thresholds being done at a level a stone would test positive.
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question Seriously? Do you have any idea what 98% of the population of the UK is, let alone the World? At those sort of death rates, COVID will be on course to kill more British people than WWII did." If your 82 yes | |||
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question Seriously? Do you have any idea what 98% of the population of the UK is, let alone the World? At those sort of death rates, COVID will be on course to kill more British people than WWII did. If your 82 yes" We have already established that the average age of uk covid deaths is much lower than 82. | |||
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"Have a look at this public heath england pubication for an explanation. Note that the test levels off at about 30 cycls but most tests are done at 40 cycles ie the test will find anything at that level. Also note, finding covid at the cycle threshold means you are highly infectious and infectioness drops off as cycles increase https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cycle-threshold-ct-in-sars-cov-2-rt-pcr" The test can't create something out of nothing. As I mentioned I have had 14 PCR tests and partner has had 9. The only 2 that came back positive were when we actually had covid. | |||
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"Have a look at this public heath england pubication for an explanation. Note that the test levels off at about 30 cycls but most tests are done at 40 cycles ie the test will find anything at that level. Also note, finding covid at the cycle threshold means you are highly infectious and infectioness drops off as cycles increase https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cycle-threshold-ct-in-sars-cov-2-rt-pcr" I know you think you understand this but you really don't so please just stop | |||
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"Have a look at this public heath england pubication for an explanation. Note that the test levels off at about 30 cycls but most tests are done at 40 cycles ie the test will find anything at that level. Also note, finding covid at the cycle threshold means you are highly infectious and infectioness drops off as cycles increase https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cycle-threshold-ct-in-sars-cov-2-rt-pcr" And that was translated from ancient Hebrew script the rest of us don't believe the world is flat either | |||
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"lease explain it to me" Sigh, do you have a basic grasp of molecular biology? Quantitative PCR Vs endpoint? The basic premise is that Ct are inversely proportional to the amount of starting template (genetic material). A sample with a low Ct (i.e positive) still runs for 40 cycles. High Ct (over 30.01 or whatever) are to be interpreted with care and according the the kit inserts/clinical picture. | |||
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question Seriously? Do you have any idea what 98% of the population of the UK is, let alone the World? At those sort of death rates, COVID will be on course to kill more British people than WWII did. If your 82 yes We have already established that the average age of uk covid deaths is much lower than 82. " No it isn’t I seen the figures yesterday on the government website | |||
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"https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19 Check the link yourself .. and if the vaccines work the age should be even higher by now too " looks like we need to agree what we mean by average. And also your prediction depends on how vaccine efficient works across ages. If it reduced death by 75pc for all then there would be no change. But I suspect everyone agrees that covid affects older people disproportionatly. That doesn't mean it just affects 80 year olds. And doesn't get alway from the estimate that it cut 10 years off ppls lives. As an 80 male my life expectancy is 9 years. (10 for females) | |||
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"https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19 Check the link yourself .. and if the vaccines work the age should be even higher by now too " Its clearer to tell if vaccines work by looking at hospitalisations and deaths. Peaking at roughly 1800 deaths a day and 18,000 in hospital with 50,000 infections daily as the vaccine roll out began to where we are now same number of infections (nobody has said vaccination prevents infection) but deaths and hospital admissions significantly lower. hmmmmm wonder why that is. | |||
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"https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19 Check the link yourself .. and if the vaccines work the age should be even higher by now too " no its is lower now the figures in your link are from the beginning of january 2021 which states average age of covid death is 80.3 it was 82 at the october. The age will be a lot lower now for 2 main reasons first the initial deaths were heavily in care homes with an older population. Secondly the in the main unvaccinated are in general younger, 80+ years olds are pretty much 100% vaccinated, as a proportion more younger people are dying than before vacciniation so the average covid death age is a lot lower. | |||
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"https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19 Check the link yourself .. and if the vaccines work the age should be even higher by now too no its is lower now the figures in your link are from the beginning of january 2021 which states average age of covid death is 80.3 it was 82 at the october. The age will be a lot lower now for 2 main reasons first the initial deaths were heavily in care homes with an older population. Secondly the in the main unvaccinated are in general younger, 80+ years olds are pretty much 100% vaccinated, as a proportion more younger people are dying than before vacciniation so the average covid death age is a lot lower." Where’s the official stats saying it’s “a lot” lower ? | |||
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"https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19 Check the link yourself .. and if the vaccines work the age should be even higher by now too no its is lower now the figures in your link are from the beginning of january 2021 which states average age of covid death is 80.3 it was 82 at the october. The age will be a lot lower now for 2 main reasons first the initial deaths were heavily in care homes with an older population. Secondly the in the main unvaccinated are in general younger, 80+ years olds are pretty much 100% vaccinated, as a proportion more younger people are dying than before vacciniation so the average covid death age is a lot lower. Where’s the official stats saying it’s “a lot” lower ? " Well you can see they are lot lower from the stats.i use the travellingtabby site. If you click between deaths by age for the whole of the pandemic the deaths are pretty much all to the right ie 70+ click on deaths for the past 6 or 12 months there are much more deaths to the left in under 50. It obvious the average of covid death has reduced substantially. | |||
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question Seriously? Do you have any idea what 98% of the population of the UK is, let alone the World? At those sort of death rates, COVID will be on course to kill more British people than WWII did. If your 82 yes We have already established that the average age of uk covid deaths is much lower than 82. " I’ll find the figures somewhere because I have seen them, but I think the ONS figures for average life expectancy last year dropped from 81 to 78…. The first time it had ever gone down | |||
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"Office of National Statistics 1st November 2021 Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England: deaths occurring between 2 January and 24 September 2021 Main points. Between 2 January and 24 September 2021, the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 32 times greater in unvaccinated people than in fully vaccinated individuals. The weekly age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) for deaths involving COVID-19 were consistently lower for people who had received two vaccinations compared with one or no vaccinations. ASMRs take into account differences in age structure and population size to allow comparisons between vaccination status groups; however some differences between the groups such as health status may remain and partly explain the differences in ASMRs *drops mic* " You know that they are going to pretend you never put this out there… or gloss over it…. Or they will get bailed out when it reaches 175 and can pretend it never existed….. | |||
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"https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19 Check the link yourself .. and if the vaccines work the age should be even higher by now too no its is lower now the figures in your link are from the beginning of january 2021 which states average age of covid death is 80.3 it was 82 at the october. The age will be a lot lower now for 2 main reasons first the initial deaths were heavily in care homes with an older population. Secondly the in the main unvaccinated are in general younger, 80+ years olds are pretty much 100% vaccinated, as a proportion more younger people are dying than before vacciniation so the average covid death age is a lot lower. Where’s the official stats saying it’s “a lot” lower ? " https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/13498averageageofdeathmedianandmeanofpersonswhosedeathwasduetocovid19orinvolvedcovid19bysexdeathsregisteredinmarch2020tojune2021englandandwales | |||
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"https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19 Check the link yourself .. and if the vaccines work the age should be even higher by now too no its is lower now the figures in your link are from the beginning of january 2021 which states average age of covid death is 80.3 it was 82 at the october. The age will be a lot lower now for 2 main reasons first the initial deaths were heavily in care homes with an older population. Secondly the in the main unvaccinated are in general younger, 80+ years olds are pretty much 100% vaccinated, as a proportion more younger people are dying than before vacciniation so the average covid death age is a lot lower. Where’s the official stats saying it’s “a lot” lower ? https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/13498averageageofdeathmedianandmeanofpersonswhosedeathwasduetocovid19orinvolvedcovid19bysexdeathsregisteredinmarch2020tojune2021englandandwales " Thank you for the link. The average age for the whole pandemic hasn't come down as much as I thought. But the average age of people dying now is about 73. | |||
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"https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19 Check the link yourself .. and if the vaccines work the age should be even higher by now too no its is lower now the figures in your link are from the beginning of january 2021 which states average age of covid death is 80.3 it was 82 at the october. The age will be a lot lower now for 2 main reasons first the initial deaths were heavily in care homes with an older population. Secondly the in the main unvaccinated are in general younger, 80+ years olds are pretty much 100% vaccinated, as a proportion more younger people are dying than before vacciniation so the average covid death age is a lot lower. Where’s the official stats saying it’s “a lot” lower ? https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/13498averageageofdeathmedianandmeanofpersonswhosedeathwasduetocovid19orinvolvedcovid19bysexdeathsregisteredinmarch2020tojune2021englandandwales Thank you for the link. The average age for the whole pandemic hasn't come down as much as I thought. But the average age of people dying now is about 73." it won't as the average will be a function of numbers ... So high deaths in 2020 will have a greater effect on the weighted average. | |||
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"lease explain it to me Sigh, do you have a basic grasp of molecular biology? Quantitative PCR Vs endpoint? The basic premise is that Ct are inversely proportional to the amount of starting template (genetic material). A sample with a low Ct (i.e positive) still runs for 40 cycles. High Ct (over 30.01 or whatever) are to be interpreted with care and according the the kit inserts/clinical picture." but the PCR test should not be used to diagnose infection - am I correct in that ? But positive PCR tests, even usjng the higher CT values are broadly being interpreted as covid 19 cases which is misleading and driving case numbers up. | |||
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" but the PCR test should not be used to diagnose infection - am I correct in that ? But positive PCR tests, even usjng the higher CT values are broadly being interpreted as covid 19 cases which is misleading and driving case numbers up. " You are thoroughly incorrect. On all counts. Sorry. | |||
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"According the PHE If you died of anything I.e car crash but tested positive of covid within 28 days of a positive PCR test your death is counted as a covid death which is insane! So if this criteria was to be changed to death caused only by actual COVID-19 and nothing else I bet the death numbers would be significantly less. So this makes me wonder just how many people have actually died of actual covid-19 with no other underlying health problems or diseases. It would be interesting to know but they will never release this info!" Ugh. And those comatose COVID positive ICU patients dying at day 29? Died of tiredness? Just expired? Or perhaps it's not quite as straightforward as you think it is. Bloody armchair epidemiologists are almost as bad as armchair molecular biologists | |||
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"According the PHE If you died of anything I.e car crash but tested positive of covid within 28 days of a positive PCR test your death is counted as a covid death which is insane! So if this criteria was to be changed to death caused only by actual COVID-19 and nothing else I bet the death numbers would be significantly less. So this makes me wonder just how many people have actually died of actual covid-19 with no other underlying health problems or diseases. It would be interesting to know but they will never release this info!" they used to. Last data set I can find is June 2020. Pre existing in this data includes Alzheimers and dementia, epilepsy,mental disorders from drug use, and even a broken femur ... So it's not clear what % of the population would be classes as having pre existing conditions to work out a base rate. | |||
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" but the PCR test should not be used to diagnose infection - am I correct in that ? But positive PCR tests, even usjng the higher CT values are broadly being interpreted as covid 19 cases which is misleading and driving case numbers up. You are thoroughly incorrect. On all counts. Sorry. " then please enlighten me ? | |||
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" but the PCR test should not be used to diagnose infection - am I correct in that ? But positive PCR tests, even usjng the higher CT values are broadly being interpreted as covid 19 cases which is misleading and driving case numbers up. You are thoroughly incorrect. On all counts. Sorry. " The PCR test detects the presence of viral mRNA. It cannot differentiate between material which is active, in other words, has the capacity to reproduce and infect a person or be transmitted to other people. It detects it all, active and inactive, and viral fragments may stay in the system for months after infection. Center of Evidence Based Medicine, amongst many other sources. Make of that what you will. | |||
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"According the PHE If you died of anything I.e car crash but tested positive of covid within 28 days of a positive PCR test your death is counted as a covid death which is insane! So if this criteria was to be changed to death caused only by actual COVID-19 and nothing else I bet the death numbers would be significantly less. So this makes me wonder just how many people have actually died of actual covid-19 with no other underlying health problems or diseases. It would be interesting to know but they will never release this info!" That is one facet leading to bad data and inflated death figures, there could be more. | |||
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" but the PCR test should not be used to diagnose infection - am I correct in that ? But positive PCR tests, even usjng the higher CT values are broadly being interpreted as covid 19 cases which is misleading and driving case numbers up. You are thoroughly incorrect. On all counts. Sorry. The PCR test detects the presence of viral mRNA. It cannot differentiate between material which is active, in other words, has the capacity to reproduce and infect a person or be transmitted to other people. It detects it all, active and inactive, and viral fragments may stay in the system for months after infection. Center of Evidence Based Medicine, amongst many other sources. Make of that what you will. " very well explained; I fully agree with you but let’s see what the expert comes back with as he seems to think PCR testing can be used to diagnose infection. And he disagrees with me in that positive PCR results usjng a high ct value (for example 40) are still being recorded and reported as covid 19 cases . | |||
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" The PCR test detects the presence of viral mRNA. It cannot differentiate between material which is active, in other words, has the capacity to reproduce and infect a person or be transmitted to other people. It detects it all, active and inactive, and viral fragments may stay in the system for months after infection. Center of Evidence Based Medicine, amongst many other sources. Make of that what you will. " Hmmm, not sure what point you're trying to make here. Viruses shed. Why would there be detectable viral mRNA if there's no infection in a symptomatic patient? Bizarre. | |||
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" very well explained; I fully agree with you but let’s see what the expert comes back with as he seems to think PCR testing can be used to diagnose infection. And he disagrees with me in that positive PCR results usjng a high ct value (for example 40) are still being recorded and reported as covid 19 cases . " Do you understand the difference between a cycle and a cycle threshold? | |||
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"The PCR test can be used to easily to manipulate the figures all they have to do is lower the application threshold of the test so that your false positives fall and this fact means they make cases go up and down at will by the amplifications of the sample involved. The NHS is testing at a application of over 40 cycles so naturally you are going to get a higher false positives which can lead to an increase in cases which they can use as an excuse for lockdowns, mandates, passports etc " And another one who doesn't understand qPCR. They're out in force tonight. | |||
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"The PCR test can be used to easily to manipulate the figures all they have to do is lower the application threshold of the test so that your false positives fall and this fact means they make cases go up and down at will by the amplifications of the sample involved. The NHS is testing at a application of over 40 cycles so naturally you are going to get a higher false positives which can lead to an increase in cases which they can use as an excuse for lockdowns, mandates, passports etc " Exactly, that sums it up nicely. Easy to manipulate numbers even for a particular demographic such as 5 to 11 year olds - just use a higher ct value when testing the innocent children and use a lower ct value for adults and suddenly we have a major spike in covid cases for young children compared to (vaccinated) adults - this then can be used to recommend vaccinating children between the ages of 5 to 11 which is completely misleading the public. | |||
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"According the PHE If you died of anything I.e car crash but tested positive of covid within 28 days of a positive PCR test your death is counted as a covid death which is insane! So if this criteria was to be changed to death caused only by actual COVID-19 and nothing else I bet the death numbers would be significantly less. So this makes me wonder just how many people have actually died of actual covid-19 with no other underlying health problems or diseases. It would be interesting to know but they will never release this info!" Sorry but you are wrong, the data is reported and is free for anyone to see on the ONS website, it isnt hard to find. Here's the explanitory bumf ... In this article, we use the term "due to COVID-19" when referring only to deaths with an underlying cause of death of COVID-19 and we use the term "involving COVID-19" when referring to deaths that had COVID-19 mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as the underlying cause or not. So someone dying in a car crash would have their cause of death reported as a car crash, if they did indeed have Covid at the time then that would be recorded as someone having Covid (if relevant to the car crash) but it not being a cause of death. | |||
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"The PCR test can be used to easily to manipulate the figures all they have to do is lower the application threshold of the test so that your false positives fall and this fact means they make cases go up and down at will by the amplifications of the sample involved. The NHS is testing at a application of over 40 cycles so naturally you are going to get a higher false positives which can lead to an increase in cases which they can use as an excuse for lockdowns, mandates, passports etc Exactly, that sums it up nicely. Easy to manipulate numbers even for a particular demographic such as 5 to 11 year olds - just use a higher ct value when testing the innocent children and use a lower ct value for adults and suddenly we have a major spike in covid cases for young children compared to (vaccinated) adults - this then can be used to recommend vaccinating children between the ages of 5 to 11 which is completely misleading the public. " This doesn't happen the lab performing a test will just have a code. Will have no idea who or what age of the person whose sample it is. You are totally misunderstand the test too. The rest the conspiracy guff is just not true. | |||
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" The PCR test detects the presence of viral mRNA. It cannot differentiate between material which is active, in other words, has the capacity to reproduce and infect a person or be transmitted to other people. It detects it all, active and inactive, and viral fragments may stay in the system for months after infection. Center of Evidence Based Medicine, amongst many other sources. Make of that what you will. Hmmm, not sure what point you're trying to make here. Viruses shed. Why would there be detectable viral mRNA if there's no infection in a symptomatic patient? Bizarre. " The point is that the PCR test picks up active and inactive viral mRNA fragments, regardless of whether the person tested has symptoms or not. It can take months for viral mRNA to break down. In other words, you may be perfectly healthy, have had an infection with Covid months ago and still test positive as viral mRNA is processed out of your body. I quoted a reference above - Center of Evidence based medicine, look it up. | |||
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"Exactly, that sums it up nicely. Easy to manipulate numbers even for a particular demographic such as 5 to 11 year olds - just use a higher ct value when testing the innocent children and use a lower ct value for adults and suddenly we have a major spike in covid cases for young children compared to (vaccinated) adults - this then can be used to recommend vaccinating children between the ages of 5 to 11 which is completely misleading the public. " Haha, you've contradicted yourself there, champ. | |||
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" The PCR test detects the presence of viral mRNA. It cannot differentiate between material which is active, in other words, has the capacity to reproduce and infect a person or be transmitted to other people. It detects it all, active and inactive, and viral fragments may stay in the system for months after infection. Center of Evidence Based Medicine, amongst many other sources. Make of that what you will. Hmmm, not sure what point you're trying to make here. Viruses shed. Why would there be detectable viral mRNA if there's no infection in a symptomatic patient? Bizarre. The point is that the PCR test picks up active and inactive viral mRNA fragments, regardless of whether the person tested has symptoms or not. It can take months for viral mRNA to break down. In other words, you may be perfectly healthy, have had an infection with Covid months ago and still test positive as viral mRNA is processed out of your body. I quoted a reference above - Center of Evidence based medicine, look it up." All correct but it wouldn't inflate the infection numbers as anyone who tests positive must have had covid and presumably been infectious, even if showing no symptoms, even if by the time they test positive they are no longer infectious. | |||
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"Have a look at this public heath england pubication for an explanation. Note that the test levels off at about 30 cycls but most tests are done at 40 cycles ie the test will find anything at that level. Also note, finding covid at the cycle threshold means you are highly infectious and infectioness drops off as cycles increase https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cycle-threshold-ct-in-sars-cov-2-rt-pcr The test can't create something out of nothing. As I mentioned I have had 14 PCR tests and partner has had 9. The only 2 that came back positive were when we actually had covid." https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9mA0kLczB0Y | |||
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" The PCR test detects the presence of viral mRNA. It cannot differentiate between material which is active, in other words, has the capacity to reproduce and infect a person or be transmitted to other people. It detects it all, active and inactive, and viral fragments may stay in the system for months after infection. Center of Evidence Based Medicine, amongst many other sources. Make of that what you will. Hmmm, not sure what point you're trying to make here. Viruses shed. Why would there be detectable viral mRNA if there's no infection in a symptomatic patient? Bizarre. The point is that the PCR test picks up active and inactive viral mRNA fragments, regardless of whether the person tested has symptoms or not. It can take months for viral mRNA to break down. In other words, you may be perfectly healthy, have had an infection with Covid months ago and still test positive as viral mRNA is processed out of your body. I quoted a reference above - Center of Evidence based medicine, look it up. All correct but it wouldn't inflate the infection numbers as anyone who tests positive must have had covid and presumably been infectious, even if showing no symptoms, even if by the time they test positive they are no longer infectious." Eh, yes it would inflate current case numbers (they're not infections, they're PCR positive cases being reported) if the infection from someone from 5 months ago was reported this week 
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" The PCR test detects the presence of The point is that the PCR test picks up active and inactive viral mRNA fragments, regardless of whether the person tested has symptoms or not. It can take months for viral mRNA to break down. In other words, you may be perfectly healthy, have had an infection with Covid months ago and still test positive as viral mRNA is processed out of your body. I quoted a reference above - Center of Evidence based medicine, look it up." I still don't understand your point. The guidance says don't get use PCR if you were positive within 90 days. An antigen test should be used instead. | |||
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" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9mA0kLczB0Y" Oooh, a YouTube video? Where all the best scientific research is published. | |||
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" The PCR test detects the presence of The point is that the PCR test picks up active and inactive viral mRNA fragments, regardless of whether the person tested has symptoms or not. It can take months for viral mRNA to break down. In other words, you may be perfectly healthy, have had an infection with Covid months ago and still test positive as viral mRNA is processed out of your body. I quoted a reference above - Center of Evidence based medicine, look it up. I still don't understand your point. The guidance says don't get use PCR if you were positive within 90 days. An antigen test should be used instead. " I don't live in the UK so I don't know what the testing guidance is there - viral mRNA can stay in the body for a long time so it would make sense not to PCR test again in that time frame. In Ireland the PCR test is most widely used. | |||
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" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9mA0kLczB0Y Oooh, a YouTube video? Where all the best scientific research is published. " the truth hurts - the person put up a legit link and your automatically gunning it down. So much for debating; come back with something meaningful and coherent please. But before you do , I suggest do your homework first | |||
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" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9mA0kLczB0Y Oooh, a YouTube video? Where all the best scientific research is published. the truth hurts - the person put up a legit link and your automatically gunning it down. So much for debating; come back with something meaningful and coherent please. But before you do , I suggest do your homework first " Legit link, as in it links to YouTube? Checks out. Do my molecular biology homework? I just call it "work". | |||
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"1st point .... factually incorrect 2nd point .... if true then thanks for giving us the very reason we need masks and social distancing if so many are asymptomatic and unknowingly spreading a highly infectious disease. 3rd point .... Whatever the average age of death, human beings have a right to life and protection from disease no matter their age or are you saying its only the old ones dying so thats ok? With a bit of luck you might be one of those old ones in years to come. As for the why are we vaxing as many as possible, duh you cant really be that dense, the unvaxed are a open invitation for the virus to use as a resvoir for further infections. Without that resevoir the virus will find it harder to propogate and spread and or mutate. Oh and proof of vax isnt required in shops. We are all in a global public health emergency, measures need to be taken to protect all the population. I do wonder what the attitude would be if the average age of death was 20-40 or that Covid caused impotence ...." Some day you will hopefully wake up too!! Praying for you and everyone with the same brainwashed mentality !! | |||
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question Maybe because the virus causes long-term health problems, is costing the health service millions and would result in it being far worse without the measures in place. There's lots of good peer reviewed articles about." There’s also loads of peered review articles that have proof that vaccines are causing permanent damage to people…, take your pick? yip that’s right this is called free choice ! | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. Another one who doesn’t understand statistics. You do realise that if 100% of people are vaccinated then any new infections will be 100% in vaccinated people. " and you’ll understand that if 100% of people are vaccinated and people are still getting infected and dying then we are back to the start of the merry go round again, but in between times some very rich people in positions of power with very concerning conflicts of interests are getting worryingly richer ! since Omicron variant was 1st announced both Pfizer and Moderna share rates increased by over $9 billion US dollars for shareholders in just over one week! now that to me smells of complete & utter tyranny!! | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? For a start I don't know where in hades those stats came from but they're completely rubbish. I've seen these quoted before by Antivaxer snowflake groups and have no scientific fact at all. Out of the percentage that catch it, a percentage will die, especially those who have underlying issues. Its as simple as that, in pretty nasty and distressing circumstances. Another percentage go onto to display long COVID Symptoms. Most common of these is tiredness, no sweat you say, actually it's pretty serious! The tiredness has come about through multiple organ damage, such as kidney, heart or liver malfunction. Some of those then succumb to delayed organ failure and death. Some go on to long term ill health which as we're only into the second year who knows how long they have. Then there's those who have very little Symptoms or effect. They may intern go onto longer health issues or recover. In other words virtually none will really recover from covid at all. Currently those facts still stand up in any WHO, CDC or NHS Study." Yip the same WHO that have stated that Omicron variant is a very mild illness… yip it’s great to see that the WHO is eventually starting to get their facts correct  | |||
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question Maybe because the virus causes long-term health problems, is costing the health service millions and would result in it being far worse without the measures in place. There's lots of good peer reviewed articles about. There’s also loads of peered review articles that have proof that vaccines are causing permanent damage to people…, take your pick? yip that’s right this is called free choice ! " Can you find them and post links please? Everything I can find shows that the vaccines are overwhelmingly safe. | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it. What I don't understand is why you've edited out your original BS comment from your reply here. "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Again, provide a citation from a credible source to support your statement. Winston What does the BS in your post mean? lol Please note the forum rules before posting: Don't badmouth other members or "name and shame": No credible citation then? Winston" Time will be the only credible citation required once all of you sleeping donkey’s finally and thankfully wake up ! | |||
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question Maybe because the virus causes long-term health problems, is costing the health service millions and would result in it being far worse without the measures in place. There's lots of good peer reviewed articles about. There’s also loads of peered review articles that have proof that vaccines are causing permanent damage to people…, take your pick? yip that’s right this is called free choice ! " can you share ? | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. Another one who doesn’t understand statistics. You do realise that if 100% of people are vaccinated then any new infections will be 100% in vaccinated people. and you’ll understand that if 100% of people are vaccinated and people are still getting infected and dying then we are back to the start of the merry go round again, but in between times some very rich people in positions of power with very concerning conflicts of interests are getting worryingly richer ! since Omicron variant was 1st announced both Pfizer and Moderna share rates increased by over $9 billion US dollars for shareholders in just over one week! now that to me smells of complete & utter tyranny!! " Share prices increasing is tyranny?
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? For a start I don't know where in hades those stats came from but they're completely rubbish. I've seen these quoted before by Antivaxer snowflake groups and have no scientific fact at all. Out of the percentage that catch it, a percentage will die, especially those who have underlying issues. Its as simple as that, in pretty nasty and distressing circumstances. Another percentage go onto to display long COVID Symptoms. Most common of these is tiredness, no sweat you say, actually it's pretty serious! The tiredness has come about through multiple organ damage, such as kidney, heart or liver malfunction. Some of those then succumb to delayed organ failure and death. Some go on to long term ill health which as we're only into the second year who knows how long they have. Then there's those who have very little Symptoms or effect. They may intern go onto longer health issues or recover. In other words virtually none will really recover from covid at all. Currently those facts still stand up in any WHO, CDC or NHS Study. Yip the same WHO that have stated that Omicron variant is a very mild illness… yip it’s great to see that the WHO is eventually starting to get their facts correct "I guess that's because they said what you want to hear even if it turns out to be wrong | |||
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"no vax = selfish..better do what we can to protect others or we will not be a society What a crazy statement. You are selfish to make such a comment. People have a choice. We are not living in Russia / China..... You keep having the vaccines that are now showing that the virus is spreading through more and more vaccinated people. As has been pointed out to you countless times, vaccines don't stop you catching the very thing they're protecting you against. They are too lessen the severity should you catch it, reduce the impact on our health service and reduce transmission. What is it you don't understand about that? Winston. Winston... Why don't you tell that to the press and the MP's who keep mentioning the vaccine and the boosters are here to stop the spread. Ask them what they don't understand about it. What I don't understand is why you've edited out your original BS comment from your reply here. "People developing myocarditis, dropping dead with no previous health issues, stokes, bels palsy, blood clots etc.... Children developing the same. Yet some people on here clearly oblivious or in denial to it all because they only watch BBC/SKY News." Again, provide a citation from a credible source to support your statement. Winston What does the BS in your post mean? lol Please note the forum rules before posting: Don't badmouth other members or "name and shame": No credible citation then? Winston Time will be the only credible citation required once all of you sleeping donkey’s finally and thankfully wake up ! "Perhaps the citation provision deniers are the ones that could wake up. | |||
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" Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? " Why ? Because even if your facts are true (which they are not, the number is closer to 0.243%), 99.995% of the UK population (60 million) is 3,000 And to me, that 3,000 is not just a number. It's someone's husband, someone's wife, someone's grandparents. (And if we go with the closer 0.243%, it's 146,000 in the UK alone, adding in children and grandchilden to the mix). So the answer to why is because whether it's 3000 or 146,000, these are real human lives. And any one of us could be in those "cohorts". And I will do all I can to ensure their safety and protection. This is not a trolley problem, because we are all at risk. So we all protect EACH OTHER. | |||
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question Maybe because the virus causes long-term health problems, is costing the health service millions and would result in it being far worse without the measures in place. There's lots of good peer reviewed articles about." so does smoking and eating junk food, probably more of a drain on the NHS, don't stop people from doing that, or making them eat or smoke less. | |||
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"Ok fair if that’s the case 82 average ages and 98 percent I’d still be asking the same question Maybe because the virus causes long-term health problems, is costing the health service millions and would result in it being far worse without the measures in place. There's lots of good peer reviewed articles about.so does smoking and eating junk food, probably more of a drain on the NHS, don't stop people from doing that, or making them eat or smoke less. " laws have been brought in, or will be brought in, to protect people from smoking and to discourage smoking, unhealthy eating and drinking, also education campaigns | |||
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"Im from Northern Ireland. According to the Department of Health, since the start of the pandemic to last week (around 20 months), of all the people who have tested positive and then had a "covid death", it accounts for 0.9015%. Out of that 0.9015%, 93% of "covid deaths" have been people aged 60+ (0.837%). So what percentage of people have died from testing positive that are 0-59 years old? 0.06% How many people in my age group of 20-39 had a covid death? 14. How many in the 0-19 age group had a covid death? 2. How many of those young people had one of the endless potential underlying health conditions? How many people died of an unrelated cause, but were still included as covid death since they tested positive less than 28 days ago? Those incredibly small numbers have not got even more incredibly smaller. " And all that made possible by the restrictions and vaccines It's working | |||
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" Until everyone is safe ...no one is safe but to quote a actual real life scientist Mrs4 knows ( she livs a very boring life)it's how easily it is spread that makes it so dangerous ! and also we do not know or even him know the long term effects of covid ? and they are adding symptons to list of long covid nearly every week ! and he agrees most will only get a mild form but ... ". But what ???? We have no better solution than the current vaccines. If we all hide in fear indefinately the world will economically fall to pieces and life as we want it, ie abundant food etc will disintegrate. | |||
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"99.995% of people survive a COVID infection … 33% of infected persons don’t know they have it when they have it. The average age of death from or involving COVID is 84… These are facts widely available. Can someone smarter than me explain why we’re all walking about in masks and vaxxing 5 year olds and making people show a vax ID to enter a shop? " Money | |||
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"The PCR test can be used to easily to manipulate the figures all they have to do is lower the application threshold of the test so that your false positives fall and this fact means they make cases go up and down at will by the amplifications of the sample involved. The NHS is testing at a application of over 40 cycles so naturally you are going to get a higher false positives which can lead to an increase in cases which they can use as an excuse for lockdowns, mandates, passports etc And another one who doesn't understand qPCR. They're out in force tonight. " So how about you politley educate people as you seem to have a greater understanding than others Instead of the holier than thou attitude you seem to have You get fuck all with vinegar | |||
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"The one thing we've learnt recently is that the more we pop into the virus forum, the longer our 'block' list gets... "You think people actually care that you have? | |||
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"We have 600 cases of Omicron in this country and no-one in hospital with it, according to the health minister. Virus’s mutate that’s why the flu jab is tweaked every years, if we are going to have restrictions everytime Covid19 mutates then I suggest we shut the country down to protect the NHS , everyone is paid a weekly wage of £400 - £500 and we import absolutely everything and these are delivered by drones and automated lorries !" Covid was mutating at something like 500 times a week so clearly we are not introducing restrictions every time it mutates. | |||
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"We have 600 cases of Omicron in this country and no-one in hospital with it, according to the health minister. Virus’s mutate that’s why the flu jab is tweaked every years, if we are going to have restrictions everytime Covid19 mutates then I suggest we shut the country down to protect the NHS , everyone is paid a weekly wage of £400 - £500 and we import absolutely everything and these are delivered by drones and automated lorries !" Haven't you learned that hospitalisation happens 2-3 weeks after infection ? I hope you're right but your theory is wrong | |||
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"Im from Northern Ireland. According to the Department of Health, since the start of the pandemic to last week (around 20 months), of all the people who have tested positive and then had a "covid death", it accounts for 0.9015%. Out of that 0.9015%, 93% of "covid deaths" have been people aged 60+ (0.837%). So what percentage of people have died from testing positive that are 0-59 years old? 0.06% How many people in my age group of 20-39 had a covid death? 14. How many in the 0-19 age group had a covid death? 2. How many of those young people had one of the endless potential underlying health conditions? How many people died of an unrelated cause, but were still included as covid death since they tested positive less than 28 days ago? Those incredibly small numbers have not got even more incredibly smaller. And all that made possible by the restrictions and vaccines It's working" Restrictions or not, the stats are there based off over 320,000 covid cases. If I was using these percentages for a mere 1000 covid cases, it would not be big enough to get a good picture. There have been more covid deaths in NI after vaccine rollout than before vaccine rollout. | |||
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"Im from Northern Ireland. According to the Department of Health, since the start of the pandemic to last week (around 20 months), of all the people who have tested positive and then had a "covid death", it accounts for 0.9015%. Out of that 0.9015%, 93% of "covid deaths" have been people aged 60+ (0.837%). So what percentage of people have died from testing positive that are 0-59 years old? 0.06% How many people in my age group of 20-39 had a covid death? 14. How many in the 0-19 age group had a covid death? 2. How many of those young people had one of the endless potential underlying health conditions? How many people died of an unrelated cause, but were still included as covid death since they tested positive less than 28 days ago? Those incredibly small numbers have not got even more incredibly smaller. And all that made possible by the restrictions and vaccines It's working Restrictions or not, the stats are there based off over 320,000 covid cases. If I was using these percentages for a mere 1000 covid cases, it would not be big enough to get a good picture. There have been more covid deaths in NI after vaccine rollout than before vaccine rollout. " Not true there were something long 3 times as many Covid deaths prior to anyone being fully vaccinated than there has been since. | |||
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"We have 600 cases of Omicron in this country and no-one in hospital with it, according to the health minister. Virus’s mutate that’s why the flu jab is tweaked every years, if we are going to have restrictions everytime Covid19 mutates then I suggest we shut the country down to protect the NHS , everyone is paid a weekly wage of £400 - £500 and we import absolutely everything and these are delivered by drones and automated lorries ! Covid was mutating at something like 500 times a week so clearly we are not introducing restrictions every time it mutates." Exactly my point, I was being facetious ! | |||
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"We have 600 cases of Omicron in this country and no-one in hospital with it, according to the health minister. Virus’s mutate that’s why the flu jab is tweaked every years, if we are going to have restrictions everytime Covid19 mutates then I suggest we shut the country down to protect the NHS , everyone is paid a weekly wage of £400 - £500 and we import absolutely everything and these are delivered by drones and automated lorries ! Haven't you learned that hospitalisation happens 2-3 weeks after infection ? I hope you're right but your theory is wrong" I was being facetious ! But honestly, how long can we keep on with restriction after restriction ? Spanish flu took around 10 years to settle down, so do you think our economy can stand another 8 years of off/on restrictions ? | |||
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"Im from Northern Ireland. According to the Department of Health, since the start of the pandemic to last week (around 20 months), of all the people who have tested positive and then had a "covid death", it accounts for 0.9015%. Out of that 0.9015%, 93% of "covid deaths" have been people aged 60+ (0.837%). So what percentage of people have died from testing positive that are 0-59 years old? 0.06% How many people in my age group of 20-39 had a covid death? 14. How many in the 0-19 age group had a covid death? 2. How many of those young people had one of the endless potential underlying health conditions? How many people died of an unrelated cause, but were still included as covid death since they tested positive less than 28 days ago? Those incredibly small numbers have not got even more incredibly smaller. And all that made possible by the restrictions and vaccines It's working Restrictions or not, the stats are there based off over 320,000 covid cases. If I was using these percentages for a mere 1000 covid cases, it would not be big enough to get a good picture. There have been more covid deaths in NI after vaccine rollout than before vaccine rollout. Not true there were something long 3 times as many Covid deaths prior to anyone being fully vaccinated than there has been since." See that’s a false figure really, because around 40,000 deaths were attributed to people being transferred out of hospitals into care home environments and that was stopped during the middle of the pandemic. Also a lot of people that caught Covid19 had natural immunity so if you look at both those scenarios then the rate of death was going to slow down eventually to the current 120ish a day we have now. Be interesting to see how much of a killer this omricon variant is, just because it’s easily transmissible doesn’t mean it kills more people, in fact the early studies show that to be the case ! | |||
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"We have 600 cases of Omicron in this country and no-one in hospital with it, according to the health minister. Virus’s mutate that’s why the flu jab is tweaked every years, if we are going to have restrictions everytime Covid19 mutates then I suggest we shut the country down to protect the NHS , everyone is paid a weekly wage of £400 - £500 and we import absolutely everything and these are delivered by drones and automated lorries ! Haven't you learned that hospitalisation happens 2-3 weeks after infection ? I hope you're right but your theory is wrong I was being facetious ! But honestly, how long can we keep on with restriction after restriction ? Spanish flu took around 10 years to settle down, so do you think our economy can stand another 8 years of off/on restrictions ? " It was 3 years | |||
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"We have 600 cases of Omicron in this country and no-one in hospital with it, according to the health minister. Virus’s mutate that’s why the flu jab is tweaked every years, if we are going to have restrictions everytime Covid19 mutates then I suggest we shut the country down to protect the NHS , everyone is paid a weekly wage of £400 - £500 and we import absolutely everything and these are delivered by drones and automated lorries ! Haven't you learned that hospitalisation happens 2-3 weeks after infection ? I hope you're right but your theory is wrong I was being facetious ! But honestly, how long can we keep on with restriction after restriction ? Spanish flu took around 10 years to settle down, so do you think our economy can stand another 8 years of off/on restrictions ? It was 3 years" That’s not correct, I listened to a professor of epidemiology yesterday on the radio and he said that the perception was Spanish flu took 3-4 years to settle down but it was actually 10 years before deaths levelled out to pre-Spanish flu levels. | |||
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"We have 600 cases of Omicron in this country and no-one in hospital with it, according to the health minister. Virus’s mutate that’s why the flu jab is tweaked every years, if we are going to have restrictions everytime Covid19 mutates then I suggest we shut the country down to protect the NHS , everyone is paid a weekly wage of £400 - £500 and we import absolutely everything and these are delivered by drones and automated lorries ! Haven't you learned that hospitalisation happens 2-3 weeks after infection ? I hope you're right but your theory is wrong I was being facetious ! But honestly, how long can we keep on with restriction after restriction ? Spanish flu took around 10 years to settle down, so do you think our economy can stand another 8 years of off/on restrictions ? It was 3 years That’s not correct, I listened to a professor of epidemiology yesterday on the radio and he said that the perception was Spanish flu took 3-4 years to settle down but it was actually 10 years before deaths levelled out to pre-Spanish flu levels." Well of course it would , pre pandemic there would have been no deaths from Spanish flu. There were 4 waves of Spanish flu, the last in 1920, after that the deaths dropped right off. It’s possible that the same may happen with Covid. Meanwhile the vaccines, lockdowns etc have kept the death rate down. | |||
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"Im from Northern Ireland. According to the Department of Health, since the start of the pandemic to last week (around 20 months), of all the people who have tested positive and then had a "covid death", it accounts for 0.9015%. Out of that 0.9015%, 93% of "covid deaths" have been people aged 60+ (0.837%). So what percentage of people have died from testing positive that are 0-59 years old? 0.06% How many people in my age group of 20-39 had a covid death? 14. How many in the 0-19 age group had a covid death? 2. How many of those young people had one of the endless potential underlying health conditions? How many people died of an unrelated cause, but were still included as covid death since they tested positive less than 28 days ago? Those incredibly small numbers have not got even more incredibly smaller. And all that made possible by the restrictions and vaccines It's working Restrictions or not, the stats are there based off over 320,000 covid cases. If I was using these percentages for a mere 1000 covid cases, it would not be big enough to get a good picture. There have been more covid deaths in NI after vaccine rollout than before vaccine rollout. Not true there were something long 3 times as many Covid deaths prior to anyone being fully vaccinated than there has been since." The stats are available on Department of Health website for NI. More deaths in the 265 day period after vaccine rollout than the 265 day period from first covid death to first vaccine given in NI. | |||
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"Im from Northern Ireland. According to the Department of Health, since the start of the pandemic to last week (around 20 months), of all the people who have tested positive and then had a "covid death", it accounts for 0.9015%. Out of that 0.9015%, 93% of "covid deaths" have been people aged 60+ (0.837%). So what percentage of people have died from testing positive that are 0-59 years old? 0.06% How many people in my age group of 20-39 had a covid death? 14. How many in the 0-19 age group had a covid death? 2. How many of those young people had one of the endless potential underlying health conditions? How many people died of an unrelated cause, but were still included as covid death since they tested positive less than 28 days ago? Those incredibly small numbers have not got even more incredibly smaller. And all that made possible by the restrictions and vaccines It's working Restrictions or not, the stats are there based off over 320,000 covid cases. If I was using these percentages for a mere 1000 covid cases, it would not be big enough to get a good picture. There have been more covid deaths in NI after vaccine rollout than before vaccine rollout. Not true there were something long 3 times as many Covid deaths prior to anyone being fully vaccinated than there has been since. See that’s a false figure really, because around 40,000 deaths were attributed to people being transferred out of hospitals into care home environments and that was stopped during the middle of the pandemic. Also a lot of people that caught Covid19 had natural immunity so if you look at both those scenarios then the rate of death was going to slow down eventually to the current 120ish a day we have now. Be interesting to see how much of a killer this omricon variant is, just because it’s easily transmissible doesn’t mean it kills more people, in fact the early studies show that to be the case !" Im talking about the stats in Northern Ireland. From first covid death to first vaccine given was 265 days. The following 265 days from that first vaccine has had an extra 183 covid deaths. I know restrictions eased slightly, but even still. | |||
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"Im from Northern Ireland. According to the Department of Health, since the start of the pandemic to last week (around 20 months), of all the people who have tested positive and then had a "covid death", it accounts for 0.9015%. Out of that 0.9015%, 93% of "covid deaths" have been people aged 60+ (0.837%). So what percentage of people have died from testing positive that are 0-59 years old? 0.06% How many people in my age group of 20-39 had a covid death? 14. How many in the 0-19 age group had a covid death? 2. How many of those young people had one of the endless potential underlying health conditions? How many people died of an unrelated cause, but were still included as covid death since they tested positive less than 28 days ago? Those incredibly small numbers have not got even more incredibly smaller. And all that made possible by the restrictions and vaccines It's working Restrictions or not, the stats are there based off over 320,000 covid cases. If I was using these percentages for a mere 1000 covid cases, it would not be big enough to get a good picture. There have been more covid deaths in NI after vaccine rollout than before vaccine rollout. Not true there were something long 3 times as many Covid deaths prior to anyone being fully vaccinated than there has been since. See that’s a false figure really, because around 40,000 deaths were attributed to people being transferred out of hospitals into care home environments and that was stopped during the middle of the pandemic. Also a lot of people that caught Covid19 had natural immunity so if you look at both those scenarios then the rate of death was going to slow down eventually to the current 120ish a day we have now. Be interesting to see how much of a killer this omricon variant is, just because it’s easily transmissible doesn’t mean it kills more people, in fact the early studies show that to be the case ! Im talking about the stats in Northern Ireland. From first covid death to first vaccine given was 265 days. The following 265 days from that first vaccine has had an extra 183 covid deaths. I know restrictions eased slightly, but even still." I understand what you're saying.. "an inconvenient truth".. I do wonder why these simple facts aren't aired more, we hear lots from the vax disciples and we hear lots from the conspiracy theorists but rarely if ever do we get a serious debate about the facts that tell a different tale. The weekly covid surveillance report is a good source of data. A bit more "seeing the wood for the trees" is needed. | |||
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"Im from Northern Ireland. According to the Department of Health, since the start of the pandemic to last week (around 20 months), of all the people who have tested positive and then had a "covid death", it accounts for 0.9015%. Out of that 0.9015%, 93% of "covid deaths" have been people aged 60+ (0.837%). So what percentage of people have died from testing positive that are 0-59 years old? 0.06% How many people in my age group of 20-39 had a covid death? 14. How many in the 0-19 age group had a covid death? 2. How many of those young people had one of the endless potential underlying health conditions? How many people died of an unrelated cause, but were still included as covid death since they tested positive less than 28 days ago? Those incredibly small numbers have not got even more incredibly smaller. And all that made possible by the restrictions and vaccines It's working Restrictions or not, the stats are there based off over 320,000 covid cases. If I was using these percentages for a mere 1000 covid cases, it would not be big enough to get a good picture. There have been more covid deaths in NI after vaccine rollout than before vaccine rollout. Not true there were something long 3 times as many Covid deaths prior to anyone being fully vaccinated than there has been since. The stats are available on Department of Health website for NI. More deaths in the 265 day period after vaccine rollout than the 265 day period from first covid death to first vaccine given in NI. " yes that’s what I looked at. Clearly you can’t use the first vaccine anyone ever got as your baseline. It was several months later that even the first people were deemed to be fully vaccinated. If you look at the graphs for fatalities, it can clearly been seen that there was a steep rise in fatalities until the vaccine rollout took effect amounting to well over 2000 deaths. Since the rollout there’s been around 700 plus, I don’t know how many of those were in the unvaccinated group. | |||
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