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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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How many of us said we would not get vaccinated because there was not enough data to prove it was safe but now are double vaccinated and prepared to take the booster. With the data and messaging still unclear.
I admit to being one of the above. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I believed in it all! Trusted in them and then three weeks after second dose became effectively paralysed! Excruciating headaches and loss of feelings in arms and legs! This lasted for 17 weeks and comes back intermittently now! I won’t be having a booster but travel will be banned so what to do! I’m pretty convinced I will end up with something like MS if I do! Who is to know if in the future I will already with what’s happened! Literally thousands on a site explaining the same symptoms as mine but not all convinced because of the vaccine because they were “told” reactions don’t happen after that initial stage! It’s crazy! I hope they are tweaking it to sort these problems out! But from the lack of information regarding these symptoms I think it’s well known but keeping hush hush! Something is seriously amiss |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Sorry to hear that mate. I hope things improve for you.
What I can't get my head around is at one point we were not supposed to mix the vaccine but now it's ok as the booster shot? |
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I wasn't really sure it'd happen this fast, but I listened to those who know how to interpret the data. (And in the end enrolled on a clinical trial, so might have had a genuinely experimental vaccine. Lol) |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
Not me , I never trusted the data , I have worked in the public sector so know first hand how they, the government itself and the private companies they use just make everything up.
I got vaccinated for travel and at the time it seemed like the ethical thing to do for the greater good. I knew there were risks but at 50 long term risks are less important. If I was 20 probably wouldn’t be vaccinated still |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I believed in it all! Trusted in them and then three weeks after second dose became effectively paralysed! Excruciating headaches and loss of feelings in arms and legs! This lasted for 17 weeks and comes back intermittently now! I won’t be having a booster but travel will be banned so what to do! I’m pretty convinced I will end up with something like MS if I do! Who is to know if in the future I will already with what’s happened! Literally thousands on a site explaining the same symptoms as mine but not all convinced because of the vaccine because they were “told” reactions don’t happen after that initial stage! It’s crazy! I hope they are tweaking it to sort these problems out! But from the lack of information regarding these symptoms I think it’s well known but keeping hush hush! Something is seriously amiss"
Very sorry to read that. Hope you get better!
That is seriously worrying to read. There are a growing number of people with negative reactions and they certainly are not getting the right amount of attention.
It is somewhat understandable that any news/stories about adverse reactions are being played down as they are, supposedly statistically rare compared to number of vaccine doses so far given in the world. The powers that be are clearly pro-vaccine and would not want to provide any ammunition for the anti-vax crowd.
The problem is that for the more rational people around, they start to wonder about a seeming lack of transparency. By not openly talking about side effects and volumes of people encountering problems, they are actually feeding the conspiracy theories.
They would be far better being 100% honest and talk about side effects, including serious ones, and quantifying that risk for people.
Explain in Plain English...
1. Chance of catching Covid and risk mitigations to alter this figure (vaxxed vs unvaxxed)
2. If you catch it chance of turning serious (vaxxed vs unvaxxed) resulting in hospitalisation
3. If serious and hospitalised then the chance of dying (vaxxed vs unvaxxed)
Then provide the same comparison of risks you are exposed to by having the vaccine.
What this will show is that there are indeed risks of having the vaccine but they are lower than the risks once you have Covid.
The key thing here I don’t see anything about in any messaging is that to be exposed to the risks of Covid you need to catch Covid. You cannot just compare potential risks and outcomes of having Covid vaxxed vs unvaxxed. There is a step before that when quantifying the risk! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm not going to vaccinate... I don't trust them tbh... now it came out that vaccine doesn't work so what's the point of taking it... the one who took vaccine got immunity fucked they'll have to take vaccine to keep immunity system at work... won't take it... if they want me to be laboratory rabbit pay me for it as aint doing it for free |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"^ known risks, unknown risks are always more significant in reality for anything, most humans are flawed at risk assessment , you can only analyse what you can see or imagine "
There will always be unknown risks in life but you cannot mitigate those. Known risks and their Proximity/likelihood are as important as impact. |
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"How many of us said we would not get vaccinated because there was not enough data to prove it was safe but now are double vaccinated and prepared to take the booster. With the data and messaging still unclear.
I admit to being one of the above. "
had the first 2 injections, but will not be taking the booster.
dont see the point, if the 1st vaccines are meant to be good enough, then its a big fat no from me unless you want a new vaccine every 2 minutes |
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Only know a couple of people who've had Covid and none were seriously unwell. HOWEVER we do know a 30yr woman who took the AZ vaccine and died. "Complications of Corona Virus vaccine" on death certificate. |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
A number of my colleagues initially had this attitude and quickly caved when they saw travel was going to become heavily restricted for them.
None have fortunately suffered any serious side effects with the procedure but two were infected with Covid after being double jabbed; one off sick now for nearly 8 weeks with 'long covid'.
I've resisted and continue firm in my convictions and will not get it or any booster. No amount of coercion will compell me to have one either. |
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"Only know a couple of people who've had Covid and none were seriously unwell. HOWEVER we do know a 30yr woman who took the AZ vaccine and died. "Complications of Corona Virus vaccine" on death certificate."
As balance I probably know a couple of hundred people that have caught covid. 3 sadly died another disabled for life. Probably know a couple of dozen people who have been very ill for several weeks and months. Probably know at least a thousand people who have been jabbed and not one has has had anything more than a days fever and/or a sore arm. |
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"Only know a couple of people who've had Covid and none were seriously unwell. HOWEVER we do know a 30yr woman who took the AZ vaccine and died. "Complications of Corona Virus vaccine" on death certificate.
As balance I probably know a couple of hundred people that have caught covid. 3 sadly died another disabled for life. Probably know a couple of dozen people who have been very ill for several weeks and months. Probably know at least a thousand people who have been jabbed and not one has has had anything more than a days fever and/or a sore arm."
I know a few people who've had severe (non fatal) reactions to the vaccines, but I know many more who've had little to no reaction.
Obviously anecdata have limitations.
If it turns out I've done the wrong thing, *shrug*. I made the best decision I could at the time with the information I had. |
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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago
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"I believed in it all! Trusted in them and then three weeks after second dose became effectively paralysed! Excruciating headaches and loss of feelings in arms and legs! This lasted for 17 weeks and comes back intermittently now! I won’t be having a booster but travel will be banned so what to do! I’m pretty convinced I will end up with something like MS if I do! Who is to know if in the future I will already with what’s happened! Literally thousands on a site explaining the same symptoms as mine but not all convinced because of the vaccine because they were “told” reactions don’t happen after that initial stage! It’s crazy! I hope they are tweaking it to sort these problems out! But from the lack of information regarding these symptoms I think it’s well known but keeping hush hush! Something is seriously amiss"
I'm really sorry to read that.
I'm hearing more and more about people not being able to speak freely about their feelings and situation and that makes me very uncomfortable. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I'm not going to vaccinate... I don't trust them tbh... now it came out that vaccine doesn't work so what's the point of taking it... the one who took vaccine got immunity fucked they'll have to take vaccine to keep immunity system at work... won't take it... if they want me to be laboratory rabbit pay me for it as aint doing it for free"
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"I believed in it all! Trusted in them and then three weeks after second dose became effectively paralysed! Excruciating headaches and loss of feelings in arms and legs! This lasted for 17 weeks and comes back intermittently now! I won’t be having a booster but travel will be banned so what to do! I’m pretty convinced I will end up with something like MS if I do! Who is to know if in the future I will already with what’s happened! Literally thousands on a site explaining the same symptoms as mine but not all convinced because of the vaccine because they were “told” reactions don’t happen after that initial stage! It’s crazy! I hope they are tweaking it to sort these problems out! But from the lack of information regarding these symptoms I think it’s well known but keeping hush hush! Something is seriously amiss
I'm really sorry to read that.
I'm hearing more and more about people not being able to speak freely about their feelings and situation and that makes me very uncomfortable."
I know.
I recently called on the government to allow parents the option if they wanted to (on another forum) and was called a sicko degenerate who wanted to experiment on children!
I thought parental choice was sacrosanct. Gosh. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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In the end it was a case of when my time is up it's up on this earth. Wether that be with covid or the vaccine.
I chose to follow the medical professionals.
I believe it was the right thing to do in playing my part in stopping the virus and protecting others but then another strain appears and you think. Ehh, how many more times ?
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"How many of us said we would not get vaccinated because there was not enough data to prove it was safe but now are double vaccinated and prepared to take the booster. With the data and messaging still unclear.
I admit to being one of the above. "
narrative is changing from what we were told originally; just seems a bit ‘make it up as we go along’ ; still requiring masks, etc etc so no booster shots for me ; mixing drink is one thing but mixing vaccines that don’t really work seems like a no brainer. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"^ known risks, unknown risks are always more significant in reality for anything, most humans are flawed at risk assessment , you can only analyse what you can see or imagine
There will always be unknown risks in life but you cannot mitigate those. Known risks and their Proximity/likelihood are as important as impact."
The unknown risks repeatedly show to be more significant that those we know about. Likelihood isn’t as important as impact, the likelihood of dying from a vaccine is very low but the impact on the individual is the single worse possible outcome - death !
We used to smoke at work in the office. Doctors even smoked in the surgery in my life time. We put a man on the moon and made a passenger plane fly to New York in 3hrs. But slowly over time realised a lot of new things so stoped doing them. Same will be with these vaccines , I guarantee in 50 years our kids will look back and say WTF , we trusted that idiot with funny white hair and put this stuff in our body |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"^ known risks, unknown risks are always more significant in reality for anything, most humans are flawed at risk assessment , you can only analyse what you can see or imagine
There will always be unknown risks in life but you cannot mitigate those. Known risks and their Proximity/likelihood are as important as impact.
The unknown risks repeatedly show to be more significant that those we know about. Likelihood isn’t as important as impact, the likelihood of dying from a vaccine is very low but the impact on the individual is the single worse possible outcome - death !
We used to smoke at work in the office. Doctors even smoked in the surgery in my life time. We put a man on the moon and made a passenger plane fly to New York in 3hrs. But slowly over time realised a lot of new things so stoped doing them. Same will be with these vaccines , I guarantee in 50 years our kids will look back and say WTF , we trusted that idiot with funny white hair and put this stuff in our body "
I'll rephrase that as in 50 years the kids will say "thank God I took that vaccine and am alive today"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm not going to vaccinate... I don't trust them tbh... now it came out that vaccine doesn't work so what's the point of taking it... the one who took vaccine got immunity fucked they'll have to take vaccine to keep immunity system at work... won't take it... if they want me to be laboratory rabbit pay me for it as aint doing it for free"
Tbf mate if you have strong feelings about not being vaccinated money shouldn't change your mind. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"How many of us said we would not get vaccinated because there was not enough data to prove it was safe but now are double vaccinated and prepared to take the booster. With the data and messaging still unclear.
I admit to being one of the above. "
You know in a funny way I bet many non-vaxxers wish that the government would force them to do it, or they only had to do it to travel - and in that way it gets them off-the-hook, and they can blame the government for forcing them to have it.
But they all need to understand just this one thing - the longer they don't have a vax the longer and in more ways the virus will mutate and the longer it will be that their holidays and lives are being so severely interrupted. It's actually helping sustain the pandemic.
They can also say thank you to everyone who has had it for protecting them.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But they all need to understand just this one thing - the longer they don't have a vax the longer and in more ways the virus will mutate and the longer it will be that their holidays and lives are being so severely interrupted. It's actually helping sustain the pandemic.
They can also say thank you to everyone who has had it for protecting them.
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You do know the people that bought Omicron into the UK are double vaccinated individuals, so picking on the unvaccinated for your own agenda is pointless |
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“But they all need to understand just this one thing - the longer they don't have a vax the longer and in more ways the virus will mutate and the longer it will be that their holidays and lives are being so severely interrupted. It's actually helping sustain the pandemic”
You believe this is so, because of societal conditioning. They want you to think this. You’re being duped and you and many like you are buying it. You’re being very cleverly manipulated.
What is in fact sustaining this ‘pandemic’ is people like yourself who continue to enable governments behaviour.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke |
"But they all need to understand just this one thing - the longer they don't have a vax the longer and in more ways the virus will mutate and the longer it will be that their holidays and lives are being so severely interrupted. It's actually helping sustain the pandemic.
They can also say thank you to everyone who has had it for protecting them.
You do know the people that bought Omicron into the UK are double vaccinated individuals, so picking on the unvaccinated for your own agenda is pointless "
Title is 'unvaccinated'  Keep up.  |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke |
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You believe this is so, because of societal conditioning. They want you to think this. You’re being duped and you and many like you are buying it. You’re being very cleverly manipulated.
What is in fact sustaining this ‘pandemic’ is people like yourself who continue to enable governments behaviour.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But they all need to understand just this one thing - the longer they don't have a vax the longer and in more ways the virus will mutate and the longer it will be that their holidays and lives are being so severely interrupted. It's actually helping sustain the pandemic.
They can also say thank you to everyone who has had it for protecting them.
You do know the people that bought Omicron into the UK are double vaccinated individuals, so picking on the unvaccinated for your own agenda is pointless
Title is 'unvaccinated' Keep up. "
Maybe you should wake up |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke |
"But they all need to understand just this one thing - the longer they don't have a vax the longer and in more ways the virus will mutate and the longer it will be that their holidays and lives are being so severely interrupted. It's actually helping sustain the pandemic.
They can also say thank you to everyone who has had it for protecting them.
You do know the people that bought Omicron into the UK are double vaccinated individuals, so picking on the unvaccinated for your own agenda is pointless
Title is 'unvaccinated' Keep up.
Maybe you should wake up "
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"But they all need to understand just this one thing - the longer they don't have a vax the longer and in more ways the virus will mutate and the longer it will be that their holidays and lives are being so severely interrupted. It's actually helping sustain the pandemic.
They can also say thank you to everyone who has had it for protecting them.
You do know the people that bought Omicron into the UK are double vaccinated individuals, so picking on the unvaccinated for your own agenda is pointless
Title is 'unvaccinated' Keep up.
Maybe you should wake up "
Coffee is good this morning |
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dont see the point, if the 1st vaccines are meant to be good enough, then its a big fat no from me unless you want a new vaccine every 2 minutes"
Depends on whether the alternative is getting covid every two months. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"I think most anti vaxers are just afraid of a little prick."
Actually. My husband's Niece (just 16) said it's rude to call them 'Anti-Vaxxers' now. Social Media now calls them: (among other things) 'Plague Enthusiasts'
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"I think most anti vaxers are just afraid of a little prick.
Actually. My husband's Niece (just 16) said it's rude to call them 'Anti-Vaxxers' now. Social Media now calls them: (among other things) 'Plague Enthusiasts'
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"How many of us said we would not get vaccinated because there was not enough data to prove it was safe but now are double vaccinated and prepared to take the booster. With the data and messaging still unclear.
I admit to being one of the above. "
Unfortunately me 2 but was family pressure to have them! But I've told them absolutely not having the booster! Have told docs so as they keep texting for me to book it x |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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I will admit to being one of them. I have had my vaccinations so I can travel (the end of the family peer pressuring and complaining is just a happy side effect).
I do not intend on having the booster as I think it unnecessary and I don't feel comfortable with the idea of this being a never ending series of top ups.
Morally I don't like the idea of depriving less well off nations of supply just to keep ours dosed up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Only know a couple of people who've had Covid and none were seriously unwell. HOWEVER we do know a 30yr woman who took the AZ vaccine and died. "Complications of Corona Virus vaccine" on death certificate."
This is sad. 
But for context, since march 2020 there have been 13 deaths mentioning tej vaccines (in England, none in Wales). Of which 9 has vaccines as being the underlying causes.
Not that being unlucky helps lessen the loss. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I never had a problem with being vaccinated and having my booster this Sunday"
neither did I! I openly told everyone! I didn’t feel a thing no reaction, nothing then boom! Legs gone!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Only know a couple of people who've had Covid and none were seriously unwell. HOWEVER we do know a 30yr woman who took the AZ vaccine and died. "Complications of Corona Virus vaccine" on death certificate.
This is sad.
But for context, since march 2020 there have been 13 deaths mentioning tej vaccines (in England, none in Wales). Of which 9 has vaccines as being the underlying causes.
Not that being unlucky helps lessen the loss. "
There is no context in analysing data that is flawed. I have read literally thousands of posts from people experiencing the same as me yet not s single peep from the JVCI or sage. The whole myocarditis is a smoke screen to cover the real risks to the Neuro system. They even temporarily paused trials because of these reaction but then determined (ignored)there wasn’t enough evidence to suggest it’s directly related. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I believed in it all! Trusted in them and then three weeks after second dose became effectively paralysed! Excruciating headaches and loss of feelings in arms and legs! This lasted for 17 weeks and comes back intermittently now! I won’t be having a booster but travel will be banned so what to do! I’m pretty convinced I will end up with something like MS if I do! Who is to know if in the future I will already with what’s happened! Literally thousands on a site explaining the same symptoms as mine but not all convinced because of the vaccine because they were “told” reactions don’t happen after that initial stage! It’s crazy! I hope they are tweaking it to sort these problems out! But from the lack of information regarding these symptoms I think it’s well known but keeping hush hush! Something is seriously amiss"
What do you mean "travel will be banned" ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Only know a couple of people who've had Covid and none were seriously unwell. HOWEVER we do know a 30yr woman who took the AZ vaccine and died. "Complications of Corona Virus vaccine" on death certificate.
This is sad.
But for context, since march 2020 there have been 13 deaths mentioning tej vaccines (in England, none in Wales). Of which 9 has vaccines as being the underlying causes.
Not that being unlucky helps lessen the loss. There is no context in analysing data that is flawed. I have read literally thousands of posts from people experiencing the same as me yet not s single peep from the JVCI or sage. The whole myocarditis is a smoke screen to cover the real risks to the Neuro system. They even temporarily paused trials because of these reaction but then determined (ignored)there wasn’t enough evidence to suggest it’s directly related. "
I'm not using yellow flags but data that comes from death certificates. As I was addressing the specific case the poster mentioned.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I presume any anti-vaxxer who became very ill with covid would be happy to pay for their medical treatment rather than be a burden on the NHS."
Do you drink or smoke ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I presume any anti-vaxxer who became very ill with covid would be happy to pay for their medical treatment rather than be a burden on the NHS."
Drinkers and smokers have been a burden on the NHS before the NHS was even thought of and yet no one has mentioned that those people should foot their medial bills
Just for background info, I have no strong views on what people choose to put in their bodies I just don't like all this them and us attitude |
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"How many of us said we would not get vaccinated because there was not enough data to prove it was safe but now are double vaccinated and prepared to take the booster. With the data and messaging still unclear.
I admit to being one of the above. "
Me too |
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"I presume any anti-vaxxer who became very ill with covid would be happy to pay for their medical treatment rather than be a burden on the NHS."
According to the Government everyone is a burden on the NHS. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In the end it was a case of when my time is up it's up on this earth. Wether that be with covid or the vaccine.
I chose to follow the medical professionals.
I believe it was the right thing to do in playing my part in stopping the virus and protecting others but then another strain appears and you think. Ehh, how many more times ?
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Understand concerns about vaccines etc. We all know nothing is 100% without risk. However it saddens me the lack of basic scientific understanding that so many people display.
You chose to follow the medical professionals....but now you doubt them?
Why? What have they done to raise your doubts? It's a fundamental basic biological fact that viruses mutate over time. Basic Darwinian evolution, something that's been recognised since the mid 19th century.
So does that mean you'd no longer accept medical advice regarding other ailments?
Now if you'd said you didnt trust a politician I'd completely understand. Apparently we can now walk in off the street and ask for a booster jab. Quite how a severely squeezed NHS is going to deal with that goodness only knows -it doesn't look like any discussion was had in advance of this announcement & the NHS are still saying you should wait to be called for the booster so that those that need it the most (older / at risk population) can be given it first. |
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2 fans collapse at the football tonight and games stopped, Watford v Chelsea and Southampton v Leicester
3 footballers last week, so many athletes having cardiac arrests and in other sports, man city player who went Barcelona, Sergio aguero (spelling?) he might have to retire due to heart problems. |
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"2 fans collapse at the football tonight and games stopped, Watford v Chelsea and Southampton v Leicester
3 footballers last week, so many athletes having cardiac arrests and in other sports, man city player who went Barcelona, Sergio aguero (spelling?) he might have to retire due to heart problems. "
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"In the end it was a case of when my time is up it's up on this earth. Wether that be with covid or the vaccine.
I chose to follow the medical professionals.
I believe it was the right thing to do in playing my part in stopping the virus and protecting others but then another strain appears and you think. Ehh, how many more times ?
Understand concerns about vaccines etc. We all know nothing is 100% without risk. However it saddens me the lack of basic scientific understanding that so many people display.
You chose to follow the medical professionals....but now you doubt them?
Why? What have they done to raise your doubts? It's a fundamental basic biological fact that viruses mutate over time. Basic Darwinian evolution, something that's been recognised since the mid 19th century.
So does that mean you'd no longer accept medical advice regarding other ailments?
Now if you'd said you didnt trust a politician I'd completely understand. Apparently we can now walk in off the street and ask for a booster jab. Quite how a severely squeezed NHS is going to deal with that goodness only knows -it doesn't look like any discussion was had in advance of this announcement & the NHS are still saying you should wait to be called for the booster so that those that need it the most (older / at risk population) can be given it first. "
You think all the scientists are saying the same thing? You think all the evidence is untainted by vested interests or ego?
Heres one example. We can make entertainment out of reality shows where we lock people away for 3 weeks....
Why has there never been an experiment that compares a control group with a placebo group with a Vaxed group of like aged, like sex, like health.?
On the one hand they say... "oh you can't compare our outcomes with other countries as they have younger population, less population density, smoke more, obese etc.." and yet I've never read any of the papers that ensures candidates in the data are comparing similar ages, sexes, health's, environments... Yet we are worshipping at the alter of these folks.. |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
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"2 fans collapse at the football tonight and games stopped, Watford v Chelsea and Southampton v Leicester
3 footballers last week, so many athletes having cardiac arrests and in other sports, man city player who went Barcelona, Sergio aguero (spelling?) he might have to retire due to heart problems. which 3 footballers ?"
Charlie Wyke, Adama Traore and John Fleck - plus someone from non league. But hey - nothing to see here |
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"2 fans collapse at the football tonight and games stopped, Watford v Chelsea and Southampton v Leicester
3 footballers last week, so many athletes having cardiac arrests and in other sports, man city player who went Barcelona, Sergio aguero (spelling?) he might have to retire due to heart problems. which 3 footballers ?
Charlie Wyke, Adama Traore and John Fleck - plus someone from non league. But hey - nothing to see here "
There was a young girl in todays news (26 I think), rugby player who’s just died. So sad |
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"2 fans collapse at the football tonight and games stopped, Watford v Chelsea and Southampton v Leicester
3 footballers last week, so many athletes having cardiac arrests and in other sports, man city player who went Barcelona, Sergio aguero (spelling?) he might have to retire due to heart problems. which 3 footballers ?
Charlie Wyke, Adama Traore and John Fleck - plus someone from non league. But hey - nothing to see here "
wyke hasnt been vaccinated. Sheff Utd have said fleck was a separate medical condition.
Given Erikson I think once could easily look at training methods etc as much as vaccines... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"2 fans collapse at the football tonight and games stopped, Watford v Chelsea and Southampton v Leicester
3 footballers last week, so many athletes having cardiac arrests and in other sports, man city player who went Barcelona, Sergio aguero (spelling?) he might have to retire due to heart problems. which 3 footballers ?
Charlie Wyke, Adama Traore and John Fleck - plus someone from non league. But hey - nothing to see here "
No offence… but if you are insinuating what I think you are trying to insinuate… then I think you are in incredibly bad taste…..
I’m just surprised you didn’t throw in the name Christian Eriksen for effect |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
Lancashire |
"2 fans collapse at the football tonight and games stopped, Watford v Chelsea and Southampton v Leicester
3 footballers last week, so many athletes having cardiac arrests and in other sports, man city player who went Barcelona, Sergio aguero (spelling?) he might have to retire due to heart problems. which 3 footballers ?
Charlie Wyke, Adama Traore and John Fleck - plus someone from non league. But hey - nothing to see here
No offence… but if you are insinuating what I think you are trying to insinuate… then I think you are in incredibly bad taste…..
I’m just surprised you didn’t throw in the name Christian Eriksen for effect "
I’m not insinuating anything, I’m stating that professional athletes are collapsing at a rate like never before and gave the 3 names to a question raised earlier.
If you want to link it with your vaccine then fill your boots |
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"In the end it was a case of when my time is up it's up on this earth. Wether that be with covid or the vaccine.
I chose to follow the medical professionals.
I believe it was the right thing to do in playing my part in stopping the virus and protecting others but then another strain appears and you think. Ehh, how many more times ?
Understand concerns about vaccines etc. We all know nothing is 100% without risk. However it saddens me the lack of basic scientific understanding that so many people display.
You chose to follow the medical professionals....but now you doubt them?
Why? What have they done to raise your doubts? It's a fundamental basic biological fact that viruses mutate over time. Basic Darwinian evolution, something that's been recognised since the mid 19th century.
So does that mean you'd no longer accept medical advice regarding other ailments?
Now if you'd said you didnt trust a politician I'd completely understand. Apparently we can now walk in off the street and ask for a booster jab. Quite how a severely squeezed NHS is going to deal with that goodness only knows -it doesn't look like any discussion was had in advance of this announcement & the NHS are still saying you should wait to be called for the booster so that those that need it the most (older / at risk population) can be given it first.
You think all the scientists are saying the same thing? You think all the evidence is untainted by vested interests or ego?
Heres one example. We can make entertainment out of reality shows where we lock people away for 3 weeks....
Why has there never been an experiment that compares a control group with a placebo group with a Vaxed group of like aged, like sex, like health.?
On the one hand they say... "oh you can't compare our outcomes with other countries as they have younger population, less population density, smoke more, obese etc.." and yet I've never read any of the papers that ensures candidates in the data are comparing similar ages, sexes, health's, environments... Yet we are worshipping at the alter of these folks.. "
I repeat my comment: It saddens me the lack of basic scientific understanding that so many people display.
QUOTE: "Why has there never been an experiment that compares a control group with a placebo group with a Vaxed group of like aged, like sex, like health.?"
There has! It's a fundamental part of drug trials!! No drugs can be approved without it!
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
Paisley |
"How many of us said we would not get vaccinated because there was not enough data to prove it was safe but now are double vaccinated and prepared to take the booster. With the data and messaging still unclear.
I admit to being one of the above. "
I only got vaccinated to allow me to go to events. I’ll only get the booster if it’s required.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"2 fans collapse at the football tonight and games stopped, Watford v Chelsea and Southampton v Leicester
3 footballers last week, so many athletes having cardiac arrests and in other sports, man city player who went Barcelona, Sergio aguero (spelling?) he might have to retire due to heart problems. which 3 footballers ?
Charlie Wyke, Adama Traore and John Fleck - plus someone from non league. But hey - nothing to see here
No offence… but if you are insinuating what I think you are trying to insinuate… then I think you are in incredibly bad taste…..
I’m just surprised you didn’t throw in the name Christian Eriksen for effect
I’m not insinuating anything, I’m stating that professional athletes are collapsing at a rate like never before and gave the 3 names to a question raised earlier.
If you want to link it with your vaccine then fill your boots "
The difference between you and me is that I would not have even put it out there in the first place without very very very good evidence 
But… blah blah… narrative!
You don’t get to whistle away innocently when you are the the person who lit the firebomb |
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By *lex D.Man
over a year ago
London |
"I presume any anti-vaxxer who became very ill with covid would be happy to pay for their medical treatment rather than be a burden on the NHS."
That's dangerous terrain there my friend. Otherwise, please add obesity, smoking, etc. to that list of burdens too. |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
Lancashire |
"2 fans collapse at the football tonight and games stopped, Watford v Chelsea and Southampton v Leicester
3 footballers last week, so many athletes having cardiac arrests and in other sports, man city player who went Barcelona, Sergio aguero (spelling?) he might have to retire due to heart problems. which 3 footballers ?
Charlie Wyke, Adama Traore and John Fleck - plus someone from non league. But hey - nothing to see here
No offence… but if you are insinuating what I think you are trying to insinuate… then I think you are in incredibly bad taste…..
I’m just surprised you didn’t throw in the name Christian Eriksen for effect
I’m not insinuating anything, I’m stating that professional athletes are collapsing at a rate like never before and gave the 3 names to a question raised earlier.
If you want to link it with your vaccine then fill your boots
The difference between you and me is that I would not have even put it out there in the first place without very very very good evidence
But… blah blah… narrative!
You don’t get to whistle away innocently when you are the the person who lit the firebomb"
Firebomb? You might want to check the thread, like I said all did was provide the 3 names which funnily enough are all out in the public domain |
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"2 fans collapse at the football tonight and games stopped, Watford v Chelsea and Southampton v Leicester
3 footballers last week, so many athletes having cardiac arrests and in other sports, man city player who went Barcelona, Sergio aguero (spelling?) he might have to retire due to heart problems. which 3 footballers ?
Charlie Wyke, Adama Traore and John Fleck - plus someone from non league. But hey - nothing to see here
No offence… but if you are insinuating what I think you are trying to insinuate… then I think you are in incredibly bad taste…..
I’m just surprised you didn’t throw in the name Christian Eriksen for effect
I’m not insinuating anything, I’m stating that professional athletes are collapsing at a rate like never before and gave the 3 names to a question raised earlier.
If you want to link it with your vaccine then fill your boots "
This is a very important topic & one we are well behind the curve on in the UK.
Google 'C-R-Y screening'.
Italian law mandates that every competitive athlete must undergo annual pre-participation evaluation (PPE) to identify cardiovascular (CV) diseases that pose a risk of sudden death (SD) during sport.
Believe Fabrice Muamba is a supporter of C-R-Y which is a very worthwhile charity IMO.
Not sure what it's relevance is on this thread, but there you go.
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"In the end it was a case of when my time is up it's up on this earth. Wether that be with covid or the vaccine.
I chose to follow the medical professionals.
I believe it was the right thing to do in playing my part in stopping the virus and protecting others but then another strain appears and you think. Ehh, how many more times ?
Understand concerns about vaccines etc. We all know nothing is 100% without risk. However it saddens me the lack of basic scientific understanding that so many people display.
You chose to follow the medical professionals....but now you doubt them?
Why? What have they done to raise your doubts? It's a fundamental basic biological fact that viruses mutate over time. Basic Darwinian evolution, something that's been recognised since the mid 19th century.
So does that mean you'd no longer accept medical advice regarding other ailments?
Now if you'd said you didnt trust a politician I'd completely understand. Apparently we can now walk in off the street and ask for a booster jab. Quite how a severely squeezed NHS is going to deal with that goodness only knows -it doesn't look like any discussion was had in advance of this announcement & the NHS are still saying you should wait to be called for the booster so that those that need it the most (older / at risk population) can be given it first.
You think all the scientists are saying the same thing? You think all the evidence is untainted by vested interests or ego?
Heres one example. We can make entertainment out of reality shows where we lock people away for 3 weeks....
Why has there never been an experiment that compares a control group with a placebo group with a Vaxed group of like aged, like sex, like health.?
On the one hand they say... "oh you can't compare our outcomes with other countries as they have younger population, less population density, smoke more, obese etc.." and yet I've never read any of the papers that ensures candidates in the data are comparing similar ages, sexes, health's, environments... Yet we are worshipping at the alter of these folks..
I repeat my comment: It saddens me the lack of basic scientific understanding that so many people display.
QUOTE: "Why has there never been an experiment that compares a control group with a placebo group with a Vaxed group of like aged, like sex, like health.?"
There has! It's a fundamental part of drug trials!! No drugs can be approved without it!
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Would you mind providing a link to the tests that were completed with placebo and with the cohorts / participants matched by age sex health race etc... That would be great thanks. |
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"I presume any anti-vaxxer who became very ill with covid would be happy to pay for their medical treatment rather than be a burden on the NHS."
On Bupa so doesn’t bother me, and I would then like re inbursed all the NI that I have paid for 40 years |
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It was quite a while before I was eligible for the Vax, so I had the luxury of sitting back and watching the data from other people and studies come in before I had to decide. I wasn't anti or pro, just cautious and hopefully prudent.
When the time came I did a risk/benefits analysis on getting vaccinated vs catching Covid, and it was pretty clear to me that the vax was the better option for me.
Felt really shit for 2days after both shots but still worth it for me. So I'll probably get the booster when its offered to me. |
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"I presume any anti-vaxxer who became very ill with covid would be happy to pay for their medical treatment rather than be a burden on the NHS.
On Bupa so doesn’t bother me, and I would then like re inbursed all the NI that I have paid for 40 years "
When there’s a pandemic (like COVID-19) in the UK, the NHS and the national public health agencies co-ordinate all cases and manage all resources. It’s very important that it’s done this way, so that the government can continuously monitor, assess and manage the situation. This means private hospitals don’t treat COVID-19 patients unless asked to do so under the NHS. |
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"In the end it was a case of when my time is up it's up on this earth. Wether that be with covid or the vaccine.
I chose to follow the medical professionals.
I believe it was the right thing to do in playing my part in stopping the virus and protecting others but then another strain appears and you think. Ehh, how many more times ?
Understand concerns about vaccines etc. We all know nothing is 100% without risk. However it saddens me the lack of basic scientific understanding that so many people display.
You chose to follow the medical professionals....but now you doubt them?
Why? What have they done to raise your doubts? It's a fundamental basic biological fact that viruses mutate over time. Basic Darwinian evolution, something that's been recognised since the mid 19th century.
So does that mean you'd no longer accept medical advice regarding other ailments?
Now if you'd said you didnt trust a politician I'd completely understand. Apparently we can now walk in off the street and ask for a booster jab. Quite how a severely squeezed NHS is going to deal with that goodness only knows -it doesn't look like any discussion was had in advance of this announcement & the NHS are still saying you should wait to be called for the booster so that those that need it the most (older / at risk population) can be given it first.
You think all the scientists are saying the same thing? You think all the evidence is untainted by vested interests or ego?
Heres one example. We can make entertainment out of reality shows where we lock people away for 3 weeks....
Why has there never been an experiment that compares a control group with a placebo group with a Vaxed group of like aged, like sex, like health.?
On the one hand they say... "oh you can't compare our outcomes with other countries as they have younger population, less population density, smoke more, obese etc.." and yet I've never read any of the papers that ensures candidates in the data are comparing similar ages, sexes, health's, environments... Yet we are worshipping at the alter of these folks..
I repeat my comment: It saddens me the lack of basic scientific understanding that so many people display.
QUOTE: "Why has there never been an experiment that compares a control group with a placebo group with a Vaxed group of like aged, like sex, like health.?"
There has! It's a fundamental part of drug trials!! No drugs can be approved without it!
Would you mind providing a link to the tests that were completed with placebo and with the cohorts / participants matched by age sex health race etc... That would be great thanks. "
Not sure what the rules are on posting links here but google:
"Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine"
& check out the first returned item.
FYI: You can actually make a formal request for all research data from the manufacturers. The Pfizer website allows you to submit requests if you so wish.
The following carries a huge amount of information on the approval process & Covid-19 in particular:
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/medicines-and-healthcare-products-regulatory-agency |
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"I believed in it all! Trusted in them and then three weeks after second dose became effectively paralysed! Excruciating headaches and loss of feelings in arms and legs! This lasted for 17 weeks and comes back intermittently now! I won’t be having a booster but travel will be banned so what to do! I’m pretty convinced I will end up with something like MS if I do! Who is to know if in the future I will already with what’s happened! Literally thousands on a site explaining the same symptoms as mine but not all convinced because of the vaccine because they were “told” reactions don’t happen after that initial stage! It’s crazy! I hope they are tweaking it to sort these problems out! But from the lack of information regarding these symptoms I think it’s well known but keeping hush hush! Something is seriously amiss
Very sorry to read that. Hope you get better!
That is seriously worrying to read. There are a growing number of people with negative reactions and they certainly are not getting the right amount of attention.
It is somewhat understandable that any news/stories about adverse reactions are being played down as they are, supposedly statistically rare compared to number of vaccine doses so far given in the world. The powers that be are clearly pro-vaccine and would not want to provide any ammunition for the anti-vax crowd.
The problem is that for the more rational people around, they start to wonder about a seeming lack of transparency. By not openly talking about side effects and volumes of people encountering problems, they are actually feeding the conspiracy theories.
They would be far better being 100% honest and talk about side effects, including serious ones, and quantifying that risk for people.
Explain in Plain English...
1. Chance of catching Covid and risk mitigations to alter this figure (vaxxed vs unvaxxed)
2. If you catch it chance of turning serious (vaxxed vs unvaxxed) resulting in hospitalisation
3. If serious and hospitalised then the chance of dying (vaxxed vs unvaxxed)
Then provide the same comparison of risks you are exposed to by having the vaccine.
What this will show is that there are indeed risks of having the vaccine but they are lower than the risks once you have Covid.
The key thing here I don’t see anything about in any messaging is that to be exposed to the risks of Covid you need to catch Covid. You cannot just compare potential risks and outcomes of having Covid vaxxed vs unvaxxed. There is a step before that when quantifying the risk!"
I’m sorry but you’re away with the fairies there with that way of thinking.
Look at it this way. Imagine going looking for a new car and the salesman says to you “here’s a great car, does a 100 miles to the gallon, comes with heated seats and all the mod cons and it’s cheap as chips” you think it’s a bargain but then he says “ the only problem you may encounter is the brakes fail occasionally and the steering locks but other than that it’s great!” Would you still buy that car knowing it may kill you? Well if you answered yes then roll your sleeve up for your 8th booster. |
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Looked at the data and decided it would be best for me to be jabbed. I however won't be getting the booster. Too many friends who had same AZ jabs I had are having adverse reactions to their booster and not just a few days in bed. I'll be giving it a miss and taking my chances. |
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I have had 3 jabs and covid itself and I am absolutely fine. No problems at all; I am the one!!! I know the Government have used my personal data at least 42,674,238 times to show the vaccines work and are safe.
There was a guy called Paul who got covid in 2019 and recovered fully only to be run over and killed by a bus as he left the hospital. His death has been reported as a covid death over 147,000 times just to frighten people. Covid does not exist!
Don't believe all you read or hear in the media or Fab forums. 
(Note: The above is of course complete and utter bollocks - except the fact that as a retired 65 year old I have had 3 jabs and covid and am absolutely fine thanks to the jabs.) |
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"In the end it was a case of when my time is up it's up on this earth. Wether that be with covid or the vaccine.
I chose to follow the medical professionals.
I believe it was the right thing to do in playing my part in stopping the virus and protecting others but then another strain appears and you think. Ehh, how many more times ?
Understand concerns about vaccines etc. We all know nothing is 100% without risk. However it saddens me the lack of basic scientific understanding that so many people display.
You chose to follow the medical professionals....but now you doubt them?
Why? What have they done to raise your doubts? It's a fundamental basic biological fact that viruses mutate over time. Basic Darwinian evolution, something that's been recognised since the mid 19th century.
So does that mean you'd no longer accept medical advice regarding other ailments?
Now if you'd said you didnt trust a politician I'd completely understand. Apparently we can now walk in off the street and ask for a booster jab. Quite how a severely squeezed NHS is going to deal with that goodness only knows -it doesn't look like any discussion was had in advance of this announcement & the NHS are still saying you should wait to be called for the booster so that those that need it the most (older / at risk population) can be given it first.
You think all the scientists are saying the same thing? You think all the evidence is untainted by vested interests or ego?
Heres one example. We can make entertainment out of reality shows where we lock people away for 3 weeks....
Why has there never been an experiment that compares a control group with a placebo group with a Vaxed group of like aged, like sex, like health.?
On the one hand they say... "oh you can't compare our outcomes with other countries as they have younger population, less population density, smoke more, obese etc.." and yet I've never read any of the papers that ensures candidates in the data are comparing similar ages, sexes, health's, environments... Yet we are worshipping at the alter of these folks..
I repeat my comment: It saddens me the lack of basic scientific understanding that so many people display.
QUOTE: "Why has there never been an experiment that compares a control group with a placebo group with a Vaxed group of like aged, like sex, like health.?"
There has! It's a fundamental part of drug trials!! No drugs can be approved without it!
Would you mind providing a link to the tests that were completed with placebo and with the cohorts / participants matched by age sex health race etc... That would be great thanks.
Not sure what the rules are on posting links here but google:
"Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine"
& check out the first returned item.
FYI: You can actually make a formal request for all research data from the manufacturers. The Pfizer website allows you to submit requests if you so wish.
The following carries a huge amount of information on the approval process & Covid-19 in particular:
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/medicines-and-healthcare-products-regulatory-agency"
Thanks for the tips / links.
I did Google the first one which seemed to take me to the summary from the new England journal of medicine from 2020 which used some of the buzzwords...
I'm at the limit of my science knowledge but did however note that the particular example was...
"(Funded by BioNTech and Pfizer; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728.)"
Is it not of concern regarding regulatory independence that the scientists conducting approval experiments are funded by the companies whose drugs are seeking approval from that same independent regulatory body ?
and regarding safety...
"Safety over a median of 2 months was similar to that of other viral vaccines"... Would be good to see what the actual safety data was.
But as far as matching cohorts by risk factors it does seem to suggest that was done so I was wrong.
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I got Covid19 at the beginning of last year when no-one realised it was in this country and everyone thought there was some bad flu bugs around that the NHS were struggling to deal with, I’d been to two music gigs in Manchester and London and am convinced I got it from one of those.
I was so ill, I had to sleep in the spare bed and Dee had to change the sheets every day because they were wringing wet with sweat and I was coughing so much I was struggling to breath and felt like I wanted to die for about three weeks.
Because of Dee’s job we are vaccinated and boostered up and having gone through that illness last year I would not suggest anyone refuse the vaccine.
However I will say that normally vaccines are tested for circa 8 years before they are put into circulation and the Covid19 one has been put into us after being developed in less than 6 months. Will we suffer long term effects, who knows ? |
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What puzzles me, is that almost everybody I know is at least double vaccinated, yet I know not one person who had any adverse reaction other than cold symptoms for 12-24 hours.
But I visit internet forums and they seem full of people who almost died, whose parents died, whose work colleagues were jabbed 6 months ago and were paralysed ever since, who turned blue and couldn't piss for a week and ended up on dialysis etc.
From my perspective, there's a huge and perplexing disconnect between what I've experienced first hand, and what I read on social media. |
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"How many of us said we would not get vaccinated because there was not enough data to prove it was safe but now are double vaccinated and prepared to take the booster. With the data and messaging still unclear.
I admit to being one of the above.
You know in a funny way I bet many non-vaxxers wish that the government would force them to do it, or they only had to do it to travel - and in that way it gets them off-the-hook, and they can blame the government for forcing them to have it.
But they all need to understand just this one thing - the longer they don't have a vax the longer and in more ways the virus will mutate and the longer it will be that their holidays and lives are being so severely interrupted. It's actually helping sustain the pandemic.
They can also say thank you to everyone who has had it for protecting them.
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So the Head of the Isle of Man Government’s said at a press conference a few days ago that the current mutations are vaccines induced through what they call vaccine escape variant… so where is the open debate in the UK about the same topic…. Ah that’s right you are going to trust the same people who told you 3 weeks to flatten the curve !! |
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"What puzzles me, is that almost everybody I know is at least double vaccinated, yet I know not one person who had any adverse reaction other than cold symptoms for 12-24 hours.
But I visit internet forums and they seem full of people who almost died, whose parents died, whose work colleagues were jabbed 6 months ago and were paralysed ever since, who turned blue and couldn't piss for a week and ended up on dialysis etc.
From my perspective, there's a huge and perplexing disconnect between what I've experienced first hand, and what I read on social media. "
6 degrees of separation and also the fact that folk on the Internet can and do say whatever they want to justify their argument. |
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"What puzzles me, is that almost everybody I know is at least double vaccinated, yet I know not one person who had any adverse reaction other than cold symptoms for 12-24 hours.
But I visit internet forums and they seem full of people who almost died, whose parents died, whose work colleagues were jabbed 6 months ago and were paralysed ever since, who turned blue and couldn't piss for a week and ended up on dialysis etc.
From my perspective, there's a huge and perplexing disconnect between what I've experienced first hand, and what I read on social media. "
There’s a lot of people in the UK mate, my father died 3 days after his 2nd AZ jab and my mother took a PE in her lung after her 1st dose… these serious adverse reactions are described as ‘rare’ let me tell you something that is rare is to almost lose both of your parents due to something that is designed to protect & not kill them ! vaccine injuries are not rare the safety data from the vaccine companies has been shewed hidden or manipulated from the outset !! stay strong |
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"How many of us said we would not get vaccinated because there was not enough data to prove it was safe but now are double vaccinated and prepared to take the booster. With the data and messaging still unclear.
I admit to being one of the above.
You know in a funny way I bet many non-vaxxers wish that the government would force them to do it, or they only had to do it to travel - and in that way it gets them off-the-hook, and they can blame the government for forcing them to have it.
But they all need to understand just this one thing - the longer they don't have a vax the longer and in more ways the virus will mutate and the longer it will be that their holidays and lives are being so severely interrupted. It's actually helping sustain the pandemic.
They can also say thank you to everyone who has had it for protecting them.
So the Head of the Isle of Man Government’s said at a press conference a few days ago that the current mutations are vaccines induced through what they call vaccine escape variant… so where is the open debate in the UK about the same topic…. Ah that’s right you are going to trust the same people who told you 3 weeks to flatten the curve !! "
he's also stated that "Government departments are working closely together to address the ongoing situation with the lab up at Noble’s now set up to identify any cases of the Omicron variant when it arrives on the Island. The vaccination team is also working incredibly hard to scale up the rollout and offer the booster to the thousands who are eligible"
So he's not downplaying the vaccine effectiveness |
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"What puzzles me, is that almost everybody I know is at least double vaccinated, yet I know not one person who had any adverse reaction other than cold symptoms for 12-24 hours.
But I visit internet forums and they seem full of people who almost died, whose parents died, whose work colleagues were jabbed 6 months ago and were paralysed ever since, who turned blue and couldn't piss for a week and ended up on dialysis etc.
From my perspective, there's a huge and perplexing disconnect between what I've experienced first hand, and what I read on social media.
There’s a lot of people in the UK mate, my father died 3 days after his 2nd AZ jab and my mother took a PE in her lung after her 1st dose… these serious adverse reactions are described as ‘rare’ let me tell you something that is rare is to almost lose both of your parents due to something that is designed to protect & not kill them ! vaccine injuries are not rare the safety data from the vaccine companies has been shewed hidden or manipulated from the outset !! stay strong "
They are rare when they are happening to somebody else. When they happen to you or yours they are very real. My dad went with cancer, he could have been saved, but because it was so "unusual" to reappear in his bones they didn't believe his symptoms nor test him until it was too late. That "unusual" statement/process/missed diagnosis was made to him 3 times on his journey. In the end he said "I don't want to be unusual, I just want to be normal". The "comfort" people take from a condition being rare doesnt provide comfort for me any longer. The gamble you take is it happens to someone else and not you. |
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"What puzzles me, is that almost everybody I know is at least double vaccinated, yet I know not one person who had any adverse reaction other than cold symptoms for 12-24 hours.
But I visit internet forums and they seem full of people who almost died, whose parents died, whose work colleagues were jabbed 6 months ago and were paralysed ever since, who turned blue and couldn't piss for a week and ended up on dialysis etc.
From my perspective, there's a huge and perplexing disconnect between what I've experienced first hand, and what I read on social media. "
This.
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"I presume any anti-vaxxer who became very ill with covid would be happy to pay for their medical treatment rather than be a burden on the NHS."
I hope if you’ve ever smoked d*unk alcohol or eaten fatty foods you will be happy to pay for any medical treatment you need too. |
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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago
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"I presume any anti-vaxxer who became very ill with covid would be happy to pay for their medical treatment rather than be a burden on the NHS.
I hope if you’ve ever smoked d*unk alcohol or eaten fatty foods you will be happy to pay for any medical treatment you need too. "
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"I presume any anti-vaxxer who became very ill with covid would be happy to pay for their medical treatment rather than be a burden on the NHS."
Can I presume that you're happy to make it so anyone who chooses not to take the covid vax can also opt out of paying N.I. contributions and tax?
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OK of course people will have adverse reactions, People have adverse reactions to every medication known to man.
What I find interesting is a lot of the people that are saying they won't have the vaccine or booster because somebody they know a week after having the vaccine had a heart attack or became paralysed are the same people that say "How do we know they died of covid, they could have been dying anyway" "How do we know it's long covid and not something else" yet they are quite happy to believe it is definitely the vaccine causing these problems not something else.
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"I presume any anti-vaxxer who became very ill with covid would be happy to pay for their medical treatment rather than be a burden on the NHS.
Can I presume that you're happy to make it so anyone who chooses not to take the covid vax can also opt out of paying N.I. contributions and tax?
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Why would they be able to opt out of national National insurance because that's to do with pension and benefits. |
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"I'm not going to vaccinate... I don't trust them tbh... now it came out that vaccine doesn't work so what's the point of taking it... the one who took vaccine got immunity fucked they'll have to take vaccine to keep immunity system at work... won't take it... if they want me to be laboratory rabbit pay me for it as aint doing it for free"
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"OK of course people will have adverse reactions, People have adverse reactions to every medication known to man.
What I find interesting is a lot of the people that are saying they won't have the vaccine or booster because somebody they know a week after having the vaccine had a heart attack or became paralysed are the same people that say "How do we know they died of covid, they could have been dying anyway" "How do we know it's long covid and not something else" yet they are quite happy to believe it is definitely the vaccine causing these problems not something else.
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I'm not taking the booster - it doesn't match the previous ones I've already had.....
The Government need to stop giving conflicting advice, if they want people to trust them!
It's been an absolute joke of a fuck up since the start!
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"OK of course people will have adverse reactions, People have adverse reactions to every medication known to man.
What I find interesting is a lot of the people that are saying they won't have the vaccine or booster because somebody they know a week after having the vaccine had a heart attack or became paralysed are the same people that say "How do we know they died of covid, they could have been dying anyway" "How do we know it's long covid and not something else" yet they are quite happy to believe it is definitely the vaccine causing these problems not something else.
Yikes that isn't a good enough argument, it can be looked in the opposite way too"
But that's my point! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sounds like people are scared....
What do we do with that situation then?
Reassure them or keep on the attack!
Have a beef about the Government and their eternal misdirection!
Own up to their mistakes and address it better with up to date information given to them from other sources.....
I got tired of listening - made up my own mind.
Not trying to change anyone's and I don't want mine changing...... |
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"I believed in it all! Trusted in them and then three weeks after second dose became effectively paralysed! Excruciating headaches and loss of feelings in arms and legs! This lasted for 17 weeks and comes back intermittently now! I won’t be having a booster but travel will be banned so what to do! I’m pretty convinced I will end up with something like MS if I do! Who is to know if in the future I will already with what’s happened! Literally thousands on a site explaining the same symptoms as mine but not all convinced because of the vaccine because they were “told” reactions don’t happen after that initial stage! It’s crazy! I hope they are tweaking it to sort these problems out! But from the lack of information regarding these symptoms I think it’s well known but keeping hush hush! Something is seriously amiss"
Sorry to hear this. I know of many people that have been affected by the vaccines....some are family members, one with life changing injuries.
I'm all for vaccines, but the narrative from the beginning has not been consistent.
But the government are happy, giving each other high fives as they walk all the way to the bank with payouts from the big pharma. You only have to look at the close up broadcast of Boris getting his vaccine to see that the needle still had its case on lol......and people are falling for this. |
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"OK of course people will have adverse reactions, People have adverse reactions to every medication known to man.
What I find interesting is a lot of the people that are saying they won't have the vaccine or booster because somebody they know a week after having the vaccine had a heart attack or became paralysed are the same people that say "How do we know they died of covid, they could have been dying anyway" "How do we know it's long covid and not something else" yet they are quite happy to believe it is definitely the vaccine causing these problems not something else.
Yikes that isn't a good enough argument, it can be looked in the opposite way too
But that's my point!"
Month before the vaccine was rolled put to general public I had a stroke. Very healthy lifestyle, don't drink or smoke, low BP & cholesterol but a small clot managed to find its way into my brain and start destroying it.. every day we plunge our hand into the bucket of life full of white & black balls and although our lifestyles can change the ratio of white to black...there's still always a chance you will grab a black one 
I've since had all my jabs with no complications (apart from a dead arm)..and yes I caught Vovid a few weeks ago just before booster ..fortunately just a bit like a bad cold..
Everyone has a right to make there own choice and either way the balance is reasonable..what gets my back up is people on the extreme sides of both arguments using false facts or aggressive statements to try and justify their choices..just make them.. and then make the best effort to look after yourself, your family, friends and the wider community |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"OK of course people will have adverse reactions, People have adverse reactions to every medication known to man.
What I find interesting is a lot of the people that are saying they won't have the vaccine or booster because somebody they know a week after having the vaccine had a heart attack or became paralysed are the same people that say "How do we know they died of covid, they could have been dying anyway" "How do we know it's long covid and not something else" yet they are quite happy to believe it is definitely the vaccine causing these problems not something else.
Yikes that isn't a good enough argument, it can be looked in the opposite way too
But that's my point!
Month before the vaccine was rolled put to general public I had a stroke. Very healthy lifestyle, don't drink or smoke, low BP & cholesterol but a small clot managed to find its way into my brain and start destroying it.. every day we plunge our hand into the bucket of life full of white & black balls and although our lifestyles can change the ratio of white to black...there's still always a chance you will grab a black one
I've since had all my jabs with no complications (apart from a dead arm)..and yes I caught Vovid a few weeks ago just before booster ..fortunately just a bit like a bad cold..
Everyone has a right to make there own choice and either way the balance is reasonable..what gets my back up is people on the extreme sides of both arguments using false facts or aggressive statements to try and justify their choices..just make them.. and then make the best effort to look after yourself, your family, friends and the wider community "
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"How can you boost a vaccination that you have not taken before.
Then the vaccine you took originally isn't effective anyway. Ridiculous "
I think you are referring to taking a different vaccine for the booster? If you are, it isn't boosting the vaccine, it is boosting your immune system by encouraging a more robust response.
Your 2nd point is incorrect, the vaccines are very successful and have reduced the death rate from covid significantly. |
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"How can you boost a vaccination that you have not taken before.
Then the vaccine you took originally isn't effective anyway. Ridiculous
I think you are referring to taking a different vaccine for the booster? If you are, it isn't boosting the vaccine, it is boosting your immune system by encouraging a more robust response.
Your 2nd point is incorrect, the vaccines are very successful and have reduced the death rate from covid significantly. "
The last post is more out of frustration with conflicting messaging.
We have lost a whole generation and of course it's a relief to see death rate going down. |
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over a year ago
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"How many of us said we would not get vaccinated because there was not enough data to prove it was safe but now are double vaccinated and prepared to take the booster. With the data and messaging still unclear.
I admit to being one of the above. "
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
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"How can you boost a vaccination that you have not taken before.
Then the vaccine you took originally isn't effective anyway. Ridiculous
I think you are referring to taking a different vaccine for the booster? If you are, it isn't boosting the vaccine, it is boosting your immune system by encouraging a more robust response.
Your 2nd point is incorrect, the vaccines are very successful and have reduced the death rate from covid significantly.
The last post is more out of frustration with conflicting messaging.
We have lost a whole generation and of course it's a relief to see death rate going down. "
A whole generation? You do realise that statement is just as ridiculous as someone claiming that nobody has died! |
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over a year ago
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"How can you boost a vaccination that you have not taken before.
Then the vaccine you took originally isn't effective anyway. Ridiculous
I think you are referring to taking a different vaccine for the booster? If you are, it isn't boosting the vaccine, it is boosting your immune system by encouraging a more robust response.
Your 2nd point is incorrect, the vaccines are very successful and have reduced the death rate from covid significantly.
The last post is more out of frustration with conflicting messaging.
We have lost a whole generation and of course it's a relief to see death rate going down.
A whole generation? You do realise that statement is just as ridiculous as someone claiming that nobody has died! "
I was talking about my direct family and the people we have lost. Yes it is a whole generation |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
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"How can you boost a vaccination that you have not taken before.
Then the vaccine you took originally isn't effective anyway. Ridiculous
I think you are referring to taking a different vaccine for the booster? If you are, it isn't boosting the vaccine, it is boosting your immune system by encouraging a more robust response.
Your 2nd point is incorrect, the vaccines are very successful and have reduced the death rate from covid significantly.
The last post is more out of frustration with conflicting messaging.
We have lost a whole generation and of course it's a relief to see death rate going down.
A whole generation? You do realise that statement is just as ridiculous as someone claiming that nobody has died!
I was talking about my direct family and the people we have lost. Yes it is a whole generation "
In that case I apologise for my misinterpretation and I’m sorry for your losses |
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over a year ago
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"How can you boost a vaccination that you have not taken before.
Then the vaccine you took originally isn't effective anyway. Ridiculous
I think you are referring to taking a different vaccine for the booster? If you are, it isn't boosting the vaccine, it is boosting your immune system by encouraging a more robust response.
Your 2nd point is incorrect, the vaccines are very successful and have reduced the death rate from covid significantly.
The last post is more out of frustration with conflicting messaging.
We have lost a whole generation and of course it's a relief to see death rate going down.
A whole generation? You do realise that statement is just as ridiculous as someone claiming that nobody has died!
I was talking about my direct family and the people we have lost. Yes it is a whole generation
In that case I apologise for my misinterpretation and I’m sorry for your losses "
Apology accepted.
I reiterate I am not against the vaccine.
'What will be will be'
Just wish the media would stop the scaremongering with regards to effectiveness of the different vaccines available.
Then I guess the media would not have much to talk about which relates to many other issues that are reported. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"How many of us said we would not get vaccinated because there was not enough data to prove it was safe but now are double vaccinated and prepared to take the booster. With the data and messaging still unclear.
I admit to being one of the above.
You know in a funny way I bet many non-vaxxers wish that the government would force them to do it, or they only had to do it to travel - and in that way it gets them off-the-hook, and they can blame the government for forcing them to have it.
But they all need to understand just this one thing - the longer they don't have a vax the longer and in more ways the virus will mutate and the longer it will be that their holidays and lives are being so severely interrupted. It's actually helping sustain the pandemic.
They can also say thank you to everyone who has had it for protecting them.
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You are aware that even vaccinated people can catch it and pass it on to others?! |
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"I said I would get vaccinated, I had both doses and have since had the booster. I had covid before any of those things. "
I've had two unofficially (vaccine trial, no placebo), one officially. Second official in just over a week. While I'll take advice on whether I need a fifth (!) actual dose, it doesn't trouble me in principle. |
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over a year ago
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I wish I had brought shares in these vaccine companies, id be rolling in cash, and pushing for more to get vaxed.
it will be pets soon.
saying that im double vaxed because I was forced by the company I worked for, no jab then I and others would be reinterviewed for a new contract which include provisions to be vaxed.
this company is now trying to restaff after we all walked out, due to the booster, I and others were not having it so resigned.
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By *ancadamMan
over a year ago
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"I believed in it all! Trusted in them and then three weeks after second dose became effectively paralysed! Excruciating headaches and loss of feelings in arms and legs! This lasted for 17 weeks and comes back intermittently now! I won’t be having a booster but travel will be banned so what to do! I’m pretty convinced I will end up with something like MS if I do! Who is to know if in the future I will already with what’s happened! Literally thousands on a site explaining the same symptoms as mine but not all convinced because of the vaccine because they were “told” reactions don’t happen after that initial stage! It’s crazy! I hope they are tweaking it to sort these problems out! But from the lack of information regarding these symptoms I think it’s well known but keeping hush hush! Something is seriously amiss"
that's terrible that you had such a reaction.hope you have improved now.
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"I presume any anti-vaxxer who became very ill with covid would be happy to pay for their medical treatment rather than be a burden on the NHS."
they do its called N.I and Tax
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"I wish I had brought shares in these vaccine companies, id be rolling in cash, and pushing for more to get vaxed.
it will be pets soon.
saying that im double vaxed because I was forced by the company I worked for, no jab then I and others would be reinterviewed for a new contract which include provisions to be vaxed.
this company is now trying to restaff after we all walked out, due to the booster, I and others were not having it so resigned.
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Applaud you for what you believe in..... |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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"I wish I had brought shares in these vaccine companies, id be rolling in cash, and pushing for more to get vaxed.
it will be pets soon.
saying that im double vaxed because I was forced by the company I worked for, no jab then I and others would be reinterviewed for a new contract which include provisions to be vaxed.
this company is now trying to restaff after we all walked out, due to the booster, I and others were not having it so resigned.
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If you'd bought a thousand pounds worth of shares in Pfizer in 2018 they would be worth £1400 today so I doubt you would be retired anytime soon lol
You'd have made more on Bitcoin or even Tesla shares |
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"Had all 3 and been fine lived a normal life and haven't caught it either. So something is working "
I’ve had none, have underlying health issues and been regularly meeting others which usually is initiated with a hug each time. As well as Litter picking sometimes including dirty masks. No problems here. Something must be working hey. But I wont say I know what it is as those that tend to do so are just choosing to believe what it is. |
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By *aussageMan
over a year ago
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The vaccines aren't safe. They are the most dangerous vaccines maybe ever released on the market. In the EU the injury and death rate is currently sitting at 3 million injuries and about 30 thousand deaths. That is what is being reported, most injuries never even get reported. |
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"The vaccines aren't safe. They are the most dangerous vaccines maybe ever released on the market. In the EU the injury and death rate is currently sitting at 3 million injuries and about 30 thousand deaths. That is what is being reported, most injuries never even get reported."
reported where ?
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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"The vaccines aren't safe. They are the most dangerous vaccines maybe ever released on the market. In the EU the injury and death rate is currently sitting at 3 million injuries and about 30 thousand deaths. That is what is being reported, most injuries never even get reported."
I assume that's your expert opinion, backed up by ... Well nothing really ? |
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"The vaccines aren't safe. They are the most dangerous vaccines maybe ever released on the market. In the EU the injury and death rate is currently sitting at 3 million injuries and about 30 thousand deaths. That is what is being reported, most injuries never even get reported."
The vaccines are safe,it's the way they inject it which is the problem from what i have seen, as any good doctor or nurse will know if you are injecting intramuscular then you should alway aspirate first which means they should pull back on the syringe to make sure they have not entered a blood vessel, because vaccines are only ment to go into the lymphatic system and must never enter the bloodstream. But hey i'm not a doctor so what do i know |
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"Not me , I never trusted the data , I have worked in the public sector so know first hand how they, the government itself and the private companies they use just make everything up.
I got vaccinated for travel and at the time it seemed like the ethical thing to do for the greater good. I knew there were risks but at 50 long term risks are less important. If I was 20 probably wouldn’t be vaccinated still "
The youngsters are getting vaccinated because they have no foresight of what the long-term implications might be, particularly those in their teens and twenties. They want to live their life. They were promised that life when they got vaccinated, weren't they?
Scaremongering from day 1, co-ercion and manipulation at its finest - not ethical.
I for one will not be vaccinated because I don't trust the data which has been put out there. But mostly I don't trust how it's been handled by the heads of most countries and the media. It is the equivalent to psychological warfare. Our own heads of state still blaming the non-vaccinated, when the data has confirmed that transmission happens in both co-horts AND sure the majority of the population (in Ireland anyway) is vaccinated.
What the fuck more do they want? Mandate it? I can guarantee you that those like me will not be mandated either.
So what then?
Fine all of us - I got nothin', sorry mate.
Prison? They'll be full with "anti-vaxxers".
Force vaccinate?
If that's the end goal - then my belief that we are living 1930's Germany is correct. |
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"The vaccines aren't safe. They are the most dangerous vaccines maybe ever released on the market. In the EU the injury and death rate is currently sitting at 3 million injuries and about 30 thousand deaths. That is what is being reported, most injuries never even get reported.
The vaccines are safe,it's the way they inject it which is the problem from what i have seen, as any good doctor or nurse will know if you are injecting intramuscular then you should alway aspirate first which means they should pull back on the syringe to make sure they have not entered a blood vessel, because vaccines are only ment to go into the lymphatic system and must never enter the bloodstream. But hey i'm not a doctor so what do i know"
Wow you mean my doctors have for about 20 years have been doing my flu jab wrong and the hospital staff that have done my tetanus jabs? Damn there must be a massive amount of incompetence within the nhs |
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"I'm not taking the booster - it doesn't match the previous ones I've already had.....
The Government need to stop giving conflicting advice, if they want people to trust them!
It's been an absolute joke of a fuck up since the start!
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Indeed, flip flopping at its finest.
I had my first AZ, the data about the chance of clots came out. Guidance was, you can't mix jabs, get your second AZ, putting myself at risk of clots. Now seemingly, its ok to mix them, without even the option of the same booster.
I'll pass and take my chances with COVID again. |
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over a year ago
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"I'm not taking the booster - it doesn't match the previous ones I've already had.....
The Government need to stop giving conflicting advice, if they want people to trust them!
It's been an absolute joke of a fuck up since the start!
Indeed, flip flopping at its finest.
I had my first AZ, the data about the chance of clots came out. Guidance was, you can't mix jabs, get your second AZ, putting myself at risk of clots. Now seemingly, its ok to mix them, without even the option of the same booster.
I'll pass and take my chances with COVID again."
This is how I am feeling right now. Unless the AZ is available as a booster. Even then I will probably think twice now. |
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"I'm not taking the booster - it doesn't match the previous ones I've already had.....
The Government need to stop giving conflicting advice, if they want people to trust them!
It's been an absolute joke of a fuck up since the start!
Indeed, flip flopping at its finest.
I had my first AZ, the data about the chance of clots came out. Guidance was, you can't mix jabs, get your second AZ, putting myself at risk of clots. Now seemingly, its ok to mix them, without even the option of the same booster.
I'll pass and take my chances with COVID again.
This is how I am feeling right now. Unless the AZ is available as a booster. Even then I will probably think twice now. "
I had zero issues with the both my AZ jabs outside of a bit of a dead arm for a day or two. I'd happily take a third |
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"I presume any anti-vaxxer who became very ill with covid would be happy to pay for their medical treatment rather than be a burden on the NHS."
Does the same theory apply to smokers who contract cancer or obese people who have heart attacks?
People in both of those categories have actively done something that they know could cause problems while someone who has decided to not involve themselves in the vaccine trial are merely exercising caution.
The vaccine doesn't stop you catching, carrying or transmitting the virus, it must rank as one of the least effective vaccines in history. |
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"I presume any anti-vaxxer who became very ill with covid would be happy to pay for their medical treatment rather than be a burden on the NHS.
Does the same theory apply to smokers who contract cancer or obese people who have heart attacks?
People in both of those categories have actively done something that they know could cause problems while someone who has decided to not involve themselves in the vaccine trial are merely exercising caution.
The vaccine doesn't stop you catching, carrying or transmitting the virus, it must rank as one of the least effective vaccines in history."
Actually just a tiny bit of research could help you there. A very tiny little bit.
The several versions for Covid 19 have been amongst the better vaccines m. Very high efficacy and safety - above average and the forecasts. They got you out of restrictions - but you are welcome to go back to that. |
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"I'm not taking the booster - it doesn't match the previous ones I've already had.....
The Government need to stop giving conflicting advice, if they want people to trust them!
It's been an absolute joke of a fuck up since the start!
Indeed, flip flopping at its finest.
I had my first AZ, the data about the chance of clots came out. Guidance was, you can't mix jabs, get your second AZ, putting myself at risk of clots. Now seemingly, its ok to mix them, without even the option of the same booster.
I'll pass and take my chances with COVID again.
This is how I am feeling right now. Unless the AZ is available as a booster. Even then I will probably think twice now. "
Better to stick with the research evidence. The Moderna and Pfizer have shown phenomenal results for immunity. AZ hasn't produced such results.
The vaccines are cleared from the body, with our developed immunity remaining |
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By *eukcplCouple
over a year ago
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"Had all 3 and been fine lived a normal life and haven't caught it either. So something is working "
Had non worked all the way through. Also been fine lived a normal life haven't caught it yet so guess I must be immortal. |
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"How many of us said we would not get vaccinated because there was not enough data to prove it was safe but now are double vaccinated and prepared to take the booster. With the data and messaging still unclear.
I admit to being one of the above. "
Back in my wilder days roughly 2 months ago I was partying heavy so if I’m willing to risk my life snorting Pritt stick I’m sure a vaccine will do me no harm |
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"I'm not taking the booster - it doesn't match the previous ones I've already had.....
The Government need to stop giving conflicting advice, if they want people to trust them!
It's been an absolute joke of a fuck up since the start!
Indeed, flip flopping at its finest.
I had my first AZ, the data about the chance of clots came out. Guidance was, you can't mix jabs, get your second AZ, putting myself at risk of clots. Now seemingly, its ok to mix them, without even the option of the same booster.
I'll pass and take my chances with COVID again.
This is how I am feeling right now. Unless the AZ is available as a booster. Even then I will probably think twice now.
Better to stick with the research evidence. The Moderna and Pfizer have shown phenomenal results for immunity. AZ hasn't produced such results.
The vaccines are cleared from the body, with our developed immunity remaining"
If thats the case, why the initial guidance that they shouldn't be mixed and people should continue along a risky path. If its safe to mix AZ and pfizer, why weren't all those who had their first AZ before the info about clots offered Pfizer for their second jab?
If the guidance was wrong initially, nothing in how this entire pandemic gives me faith it isn't wrong again so they can stick their booster where their heads are firmly lodged. |
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I was quite happy to have the vaccine but I wish I hadnt had the booster. It has made me soo ill and sent my BP sky high to the point my doc wont issue my regular meds now till it comes down! |
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Well I had my booster yesterday only thing I've had from it today is a sore arm where I had the needle had no side effects whatsoever on the first 2 jabs either so all good sorry for those who have been less unfortunate but we are not all the same so what happens to one person may not happen to another life is full of risks and gambles no one knows what's going to happen so I took the risk and had all my jabs x my choice not listening to any of the crap government media or papers saying xx |
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