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"It's probably better to rely on what is manufacturer says about their specific vaccines. They know their production systems and commitments, plus potentially any trial requirements and approvals. There is obviously a whole world of countries out there, with them each wanting their share first. Don't assume the UK is 1st in line. I think Pfizer have mentioned a possible 3 months. As it stands, we could potentially have immunity via the current vaccines. " This is my understanding too. I believe they're also running lab tests on Omicron and the existing vaccines | |||
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"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat " Don't you just love the voice of optimism  | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism "Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they? | |||
"Wonderful how quickly science and modern technology can adapt to produce a new/modified vaccine. (Mean new version not brand new as in uniquely novel). See how much confusion naming a variant Nu would cause "It's a piece of the proverbial with DNA or RNA based vaccines, also with viral vector vaccines. You just alter the spelling of the genes you intend to use as antigen. The only reason it takes so long to edit flu vaccines is because of the method of growing virus in egg etc. Takes ages and isn't easily scalable - you need a fucking warehouse full of eggs, all being kept in perfect conditions. You can brew massive vats of vector or perform replication of an RNA segment far more easily. | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?"Haven't worked? Have they reduced burden of serious illness from COVID? Yes. That's what they were designed to do. | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
Haven't worked? Have they reduced burden of serious illness from COVID? Yes.
That's what they were designed to do. "Ignore him, he's been stirring it up all evening  | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?"Umm. Last time infection rates were this high we saw over a thousand deaths a day. It wasn't Santa who made it better, was it? | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?"How did you think you got your freedoms back, if the vaccines haven't been working? There will be lasting immunity from those vaccines already received and it may be very strongly effective for this new variant. Tests are being run, to evaluate. Obviously there are now many vaccines and each 1 may differ somewhat | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
How did you think you got your freedoms back, if the vaccines haven't been working?
There will be lasting immunity from those vaccines already received and it may be very strongly effective for this new variant. Tests are being run, to evaluate. Obviously there are now many vaccines and each 1 may differ somewhat "Vaccines don’ work it’s just to make the companies make them rich, | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
How did you think you got your freedoms back, if the vaccines haven't been working?
There will be lasting immunity from those vaccines already received and it may be very strongly effective for this new variant. Tests are being run, to evaluate. Obviously there are now many vaccines and each 1 may differ somewhat
Vaccines don’ work it’s just to make the companies make them rich,
"All drugs and vaccines make the companies money. That’s the way business works. Should we stop taking drugs to help cancer and every other illness as well ? And just eat plants to make us better ? | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
How did you think you got your freedoms back, if the vaccines haven't been working?
There will be lasting immunity from those vaccines already received and it may be very strongly effective for this new variant. Tests are being run, to evaluate. Obviously there are now many vaccines and each 1 may differ somewhat
Vaccines don’ work it’s just to make the companies make them rich,
"I thought we buried that myth when the pyramids were built. | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
How did you think you got your freedoms back, if the vaccines haven't been working?
There will be lasting immunity from those vaccines already received and it may be very strongly effective for this new variant. Tests are being run, to evaluate. Obviously there are now many vaccines and each 1 may differ somewhat
Vaccines don’ work it’s just to make the companies make them rich,
All drugs and vaccines make the companies money. That’s the way business works. Should we stop taking drugs to help cancer and every other illness as well ? And just eat plants to make us better ?"What? Make big agriculture rich?  | |||
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"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
How did you think you got your freedoms back, if the vaccines haven't been working?
There will be lasting immunity from those vaccines already received and it may be very strongly effective for this new variant. Tests are being run, to evaluate. Obviously there are now many vaccines and each 1 may differ somewhat
Vaccines don’ work it’s just to make the companies make them rich,
"Clearly doesn't look at data this one. | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
How did you think you got your freedoms back, if the vaccines haven't been working?
There will be lasting immunity from those vaccines already received and it may be very strongly effective for this new variant. Tests are being run, to evaluate. Obviously there are now many vaccines and each 1 may differ somewhat
Vaccines don’ work it’s just to make the companies make them rich,
"Lala land | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?"They have worked wonderfully well. That's why we are able to mix as normal and the cases, hospitalisations and deaths aren't jumping up. The vaccine was only ever expected to reduce the burden and allow some normality. It's only the anti vaxer types who seem to think it was thought to be anything else. Still, continue the argue with the science and the evidence. I think the words you like to use are " wake" and "up". | |||
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"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
How did you think you got your freedoms back, if the vaccines haven't been working?
There will be lasting immunity from those vaccines already received and it may be very strongly effective for this new variant. Tests are being run, to evaluate. Obviously there are now many vaccines and each 1 may differ somewhat
Vaccines don’ work it’s just to make the companies make them rich,
"knob | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
How did you think you got your freedoms back, if the vaccines haven't been working?
There will be lasting immunity from those vaccines already received and it may be very strongly effective for this new variant. Tests are being run, to evaluate. Obviously there are now many vaccines and each 1 may differ somewhat
Vaccines don’ work it’s just to make the companies make them rich,
knob"I have one thanks haha | |||
"Whenever a new variant is found the first question from the worlds press is, will existing vaccines be able to cope. The answer will always be we don't know until we test it. The press write before any testing has been carried out, scientists are unsure if current vaccines will be able to deal with new variant. " I'm not willing to find out the hard way that it is worse, nor unwittingly inflict it on other people. | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
Umm. Last time infection rates were this high we saw over a thousand deaths a day.
It wasn't Santa who made it better, was it?"Deaths from within a 28 day test Day 27 killed by a buss = covid death. Let’s get the real figures | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
Umm. Last time infection rates were this high we saw over a thousand deaths a day.
It wasn't Santa who made it better, was it?
Deaths from within a 28 day test
Day 27 killed by a buss = covid death.
Let’s get the real figures "And what metric would you prefer? | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat " It's the same as the flu jab offered yearly as in it has to be modified to deal with the new variant. But you already know that and just like to spoil a decent conversation. | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
Umm. Last time infection rates were this high we saw over a thousand deaths a day.
It wasn't Santa who made it better, was it?
Deaths from within a 28 day test
Day 27 killed by a buss = covid death.
Let’s get the real figures "Santa driving the Covid bus. Of course. Silly me. | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
Umm. Last time infection rates were this high we saw over a thousand deaths a day.
It wasn't Santa who made it better, was it?
Deaths from within a 28 day test
Day 27 killed by a buss = covid death.
Let’s get the real figures
And what metric would you prefer? "The actual metric where individuals died of actual covid not the stats that have been ‘made up’ | |||
" The actual metric where individuals died of actual covid not the stats that have been ‘made up’ " Awful lot of bus accidents over the past two years, no? What about the patient on the respiratory ward who dies 29 days after their positive test? I think you're a bit too thick for epidemiology. | |||
" The actual metric where individuals died of actual covid not the stats that have been ‘made up’ Awful lot of bus accidents over the past two years, no? What about the patient on the respiratory ward who dies 29 days after their positive test? I think you're a bit too thick for epidemiology. " Read the actual post not just the one line. If your able to read that much of course. Big letters copied & pasted from the internet do not make you smarter than others! | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
Umm. Last time infection rates were this high we saw over a thousand deaths a day.
It wasn't Santa who made it better, was it?
Deaths from within a 28 day test
Day 27 killed by a buss = covid death.
Let’s get the real figures
And what metric would you prefer?
The actual metric where individuals died of actual covid not the stats that have been ‘made up’ "So, where it's mentioned on death certificates? | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
Umm. Last time infection rates were this high we saw over a thousand deaths a day.
It wasn't Santa who made it better, was it?
Deaths from within a 28 day test
Day 27 killed by a buss = covid death.
Let’s get the real figures
And what metric would you prefer?
The actual metric where individuals died of actual covid not the stats that have been ‘made up’ "The ONS has the figures in the same way that any other death in the UK is recorded. They're actually higher than the 28 day figure, because some people linger in hospital. I hope that helps  | |||
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"Whenever a new variant is found the first question from the worlds press is, will existing vaccines be able to cope. The answer will always be we don't know until we test it. The press write before any testing has been carried out, scientists are unsure if current vaccines will be able to deal with new variant. I'm not willing to find out the hard way that it is worse, nor unwittingly inflict it on other people." I'm not sure what you mean? I was simply pointing out that the press pull the trigger on the obvious and make people like our friend think something is wrong | |||
"Whenever a new variant is found the first question from the worlds press is, will existing vaccines be able to cope. The answer will always be we don't know until we test it. The press write before any testing has been carried out, scientists are unsure if current vaccines will be able to deal with new variant. "  | |||
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"On the day that 1820 people died of "Covid" in the UK it transpires that 1750 were actually run over by a bus People really need to get a grip on how serious this was, and how far we have come due to the vaccine. Wise up" 1750 run over by one bus?! | |||
"Whenever a new variant is found the first question from the worlds press is, will existing vaccines be able to cope. The answer will always be we don't know until we test it. The press write before any testing has been carried out, scientists are unsure if current vaccines will be able to deal with new variant. I'm not willing to find out the hard way that it is worse, nor unwittingly inflict it on other people. I'm not sure what you mean? I was simply pointing out that the press pull the trigger on the obvious and make people like our friend think something is wrong" Apologies. We don't know yet if this variant is better or worse. Some are saying worse. My approach is better safe than sorry. | |||
"Behind the headlines: Counting COVID-19 deaths " Your article is way out of date and does not change that the ONS have the death figures, if you look for them, in the same way as they report any other form of death. Don't rely on old news and the mainstream media, if you want accurate information | |||
"Behind the headlines: Counting COVID-19 deaths Your article is way out of date and does not change that the ONS have the death figures, if you look for them, in the same way as they report any other form of death. Don't rely on old news and the mainstream media, if you want accurate information "https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2020/08/12/behind-the-headlines-counting-covid-19-deaths/ | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat " No, only probably about 992 jabs. Stay happy.  | |||
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"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?"No, you're absolutely bang on. Vaccines over the years have been a complete waste of time and not helped reduce or eradicate disease in any way shape or form. Don't you just love FAB. | |||
"I wonder if this I why I couldn't get a appt till January for my booster " unlikely that they would hold back giving the boosters that are effective against the current variants whilst they study this new variant. Mine and my mothers are booked for the 9th of December so there is something of a queue I think. | |||
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"Behind the headlines: Counting COVID-19 deaths Posted by: John Newton, Posted on: 12 August 2020 - Categories: Coronavirus (COVID-19), Data Defining a COVID-19 death Although it might seem straightforward, counting the number of people who have died from COVID-19 related illness is complex. The infection can lead to death soon after diagnosis, but it may also cause death many weeks later. Someone who tests positive can of course die from another cause such as cancer or heart disease at any time. A death in someone who has tested positive becomes progressively less likely to be directly due to COVID-19 as time passes and more likely to be due to another cause. However, there is no agreed cut-off after which COVID-19 can be excluded as a likely cause and sadly, we know that some people die from their infection many weeks later. Coronavirus can also contribute to a death without being the main or “underlying” cause. The World Health Organization (WHO) recognises this complexity and states that: A COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 disease (e.g. trauma). This definition therefore requires a clinical assessment of each case. For several months, the COVID-19 Data Dashboard has been reporting, for England, all deaths in people who have a positive test. This a robust measure as it uses the fact of a positive test and the fact of death to derive the number reported. However, it is only an approximation of the number of people who die from COVID-19 because other causes of death are included and some people who die from COVID-19 never had a positive test. It was decided to adopt this measure in April in order to be sure not to underestimate the number of COVID-19 related deaths. It was always intended to review the approach as the pandemic progressed. The countries of the UK have been using slightly different methods. Scotland, for example, has only been counting deaths within 28 days of a positive test so that deaths from COVID-19 beyond 28 days are not included. Subsequent reporting of the cause of death In the UK, COVID-19 deaths should be identified as such on death certificates, recorded by a registered medical practitioner. Provisional data on numbers of certified deaths from COVID-19 have been reported weekly by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) since 31 March 2020. However, there is an inevitable delay in reporting and publishing deaths based on death certification – for example, the most recent publication available at the time of writing reports deaths to week ending 31 July 2020. Calculating the excess death rate Another approach to assessing the impact of COVID-19 is to calculate the excess death rate. This method compares the total number of deaths in a week to the average expected from previous years. This is an excellent method, but it also takes some time for the results to be available. How does PHE identify deaths in people who have tested positive? In England, we have collated the details of every person who has had a laboratory-confirmed positive COVID-19 result at any point since the start of the pandemic. This will be a very valuable resource for tracking the impact of COVID-19 on the health of those affected. We actively look at four sources to identify the death of any of these people should it occur. These are: deaths occurring in hospitals, notified to NHS England by NHS trusts using the COVID-19 Patient Notification System deaths with a confirmed COVID-19 test, notified to PHE Health Protection Teams during outbreak management (primarily in non-hospital settings) and recorded in an electronic reporting system all people with a laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 test identified to have died through tracing against NHS records ONS death registrations which can be linked to a laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 test Does this mean you have overcounted deaths from COVID-19 in England? The total number of deaths reported in the daily numbers is less than the total number of deaths registered with COVID-19 on the death certificate, so the numbers reported have not generally been an over estimate. However, in recent weeks the numbers of deaths in people who have tested positive have become substantially greater than the numbers of deaths subsequently registered as COVID-19 deaths by the ONS, which is why we are now changing our approach to reporting deaths. What did the review look at? Our review considered epidemiological evidence to see how likely it was that COVID-19 was a contributory factor to a death at different points in time after a positive test. We examined all 41,598 deaths in confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported up to 3 August 2020 and found that: 88% of deaths occurred within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test and 96% occurred within 60 days or had COVID-19 on the death certificate of those who died 29 to 60 days after their positive test, COVID-19 was included on the death certificate for 64% 2,295 (54%) of the 4,219 deaths excluded by a 28-day time limit had COVID-19 on the death certificate overall 91% of deaths reported by PHE in confirmed cases up to 3 August had COVID-19 on the death certificate What is changing? Two new deaths indicators will now be used by all four nations in the UK to provide a full picture of both recent trends and the longer-term burden of the disease. The additional indicators which will be used to calculate daily death figures are: the number of deaths in people with COVID-19 that occur within 28 days of a first positive laboratory-confirmed test. This is intended to provide a headline indicator of the immediate impact of recent epidemic activity. Deaths that occur more than 28 days after a positive test will not be included in this count. the number of deaths that occur within 60 days of a first positive test. Deaths that occur after 60 days will also be added to this figure if COVID-19 appears on the death certificate. This will provide a more complete measure of the burden of the disease over time. Using these new measures, the total number of deaths in people with laboratory-confirmed infection is reduced by 5,377 if only deaths within 28-day of a test are included, and by 1,668 if including only deaths within 60 days or at any time with COVID-19 mentioned on the death certificate. This approach has been peer reviewed by external statistical experts. What do other countries do? The WHO recommendation is to report on death certification, which England will continue to do through the ONS. For daily reported death figures, there is no international consensus on methods. Why do the public health figures differ from the ONS numbers? PHE has been counting all deaths in people who have laboratory-confirmed infection – this is technically robust because it does not require a judgement to be made about cause of death. ONS reports deaths where a doctor suspects COVID-19 as a cause – these data include a clinical assessment as recommended by WHO but are subject to variation in clinical judgement as to the cause of death. These are two different measures with different strengths and weaknesses. The PHE data series is also available daily, making it more useful for real-time surveillance, whereas the ONS survey only appears once a week and is delayed." Wow. That's lots of words, I've no idea what it means as I'm a tad thick. But thank you for taking the time to do all the cutting and pasting. | |||
"Behind the headlines: Counting COVID-19 deaths Your article is way out of date and does not change that the ONS have the death figures, if you look for them, in the same way as they report any other form of death. Don't rely on old news and the mainstream media, if you want accurate information
https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2020/08/12/behind-the-headlines-counting-covid-19-deaths/"That was over a year ago. We'd not even heard of Alpha then  | |||
"According to the South African doctor who discovered this variant, symptoms are very mild, just a scratchy throat and fatigue. We'll have to wait and see as more people catch it but it should be obvious to anyone that no NPIs are going to stop this or even slow it down, and the current vaccines are "non sterilising" so don't prevent people catching Covid or passing it on. Infection seems (according to Israeli studies) to give 27 times better protection against re-infection, so if it is mild, roll on catching it and we just might see the end of this thing. Whatever happens, Covid is going to be with us now for ever and no doubt it will continually mutate, so we'd better get used to living with it like we do with all the other nasty diseases that surround us every day." Oh good. Guess we're fucked. Not worth even trying. Ignore the neurological warning signs in even mild patients, go catch this thing, it's inevitable, we're all doomed
No ta. | |||
"On the day that 1820 people died of "Covid" in the UK it transpires that 1750 were actually run over by a bus People really need to get a grip on how serious this was, and how far we have come due to the vaccine. Wise up 1750 run over by one bus?!" Yeah. One bus but to be fair it did complete a return journey back to the depot. That's when most people got knocked down and were killed to death, apparently the driver was distracted looking at FAB Forums, whatever they are. | |||
"I wonder if this I why I couldn't get a appt till January for my booster " We have walk in centres try harder and you'll get one | |||
"I wonder if this I why I couldn't get a appt till January for my booster We have walk in centres try harder and you'll get one" Some of the vulnerable people I take care of couldn't get an appointment (scandalous but who knows) so they went to the local walk in centre and waited politely until it was done | |||
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"I wonder if this I why I couldn't get a appt till January for my booster We have walk in centres try harder and you'll get one Some of the vulnerable people I take care of couldn't get an appointment (scandalous but who knows) so they went to the local walk in centre and waited politely until it was done "What is concerning is some areas have stopped offering 1st and 2nd vaccines and are only offering boosters. My sister lives on the Isle of Wight and her 2 children who are 18 and 19 initially didn't want the vaccine but have now decided they do. She's not very good with technology so I offered to book the appointments for them however they can't have them on the Isle of Wight and have to travel to the mainland which is expensive and something they can't afford to do right now so that is something that needs sorting out immediately. | |||
"I wonder if this I why I couldn't get a appt till January for my booster We have walk in centres try harder and you'll get one Some of the vulnerable people I take care of couldn't get an appointment (scandalous but who knows) so they went to the local walk in centre and waited politely until it was done
What is concerning is some areas have stopped offering 1st and 2nd vaccines and are only offering boosters.
My sister lives on the Isle of Wight and her 2 children who are 18 and 19 initially didn't want the vaccine but have now decided they do. She's not very good with technology so I offered to book the appointments for them however they can't have them on the Isle of Wight and have to travel to the mainland which is expensive and something they can't afford to do right now so that is something that needs sorting out immediately. "Yes. That is troubling. | |||
"I wonder if this I why I couldn't get a appt till January for my booster We have walk in centres try harder and you'll get one Some of the vulnerable people I take care of couldn't get an appointment (scandalous but who knows) so they went to the local walk in centre and waited politely until it was done
What is concerning is some areas have stopped offering 1st and 2nd vaccines and are only offering boosters.
My sister lives on the Isle of Wight and her 2 children who are 18 and 19 initially didn't want the vaccine but have now decided they do. She's not very good with technology so I offered to book the appointments for them however they can't have them on the Isle of Wight and have to travel to the mainland which is expensive and something they can't afford to do right now so that is something that needs sorting out immediately.
Yes. That is troubling."It is and when she told me she couldn't get an appointment I thought she must have been wrong. I looked at local walking centres all though there is only one on the island and know they are only offering boosters and first jabs for 12 to 15 year olds which just seems silly to me. They are going to walk up there tomorrow to see if they can get one so hopefully somebody will have some common sense. | |||
"Vaccines HAVE worked. They prevent you getting seriously ill. There really are some stupid people about. I think education in the UK stopoed in the 60s as those who are younger clear have very little between their ears. COVID Vaccines work are no more dangerous than other vaccines you have had in your life. I dispair at the future of our country with so many idiots breeding. Get the vaccine!!" vaccines have also brought the Moronic (i mean Omicron) variant here to the UK via vaccinated travellers. So not really a good advert for vaccines for those that have had 2 and a booster when another one will be needed potentially to deal with this variant. And once that is produced and you have it, another variant will come out worse than Moronic and you will need another vaccine for that. You will be stuck in an endless cycle of vaccines for every single variant. Strange that the South African Health Minister has already stated that there is no serious risk, but the govt here are slowly imposing restrictions again. | |||
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"And by waiting for a new vaccine for this new variant, does it mean people who have had the jab for Delta are now classed as being UNVACCINATED?" I think you will get the answers to your questions when the scientists have completed their testing, until then nobody knows. | |||
"And by waiting for a new vaccine for this new variant, does it mean people who have had the jab for Delta are now classed as being UNVACCINATED? I think you will get the answers to your questions when the scientists have completed their testing, until then nobody knows. " The same scientists that withhold research and data because their findings don't meet the governments requirements and they fear losing their funding? | |||
"I looked at local walking centres all though there is only one on the island and know they are only offering boosters and first jabs for 12 to 15 year olds which just seems silly to me. They are going to walk up there tomorrow to see if they can get one so hopefully somebody will have some common sense. " Unfortunately you also have to look at the fact that just because they have now changed their minds about being vaccinated should they just be able to jump the queue above people who want a booster ? | |||
Science is wonderful. And if a few boffins and execs get rich by enabling it. Then more power to them. The beauty of capitalism and science is that it is open to anyone, including those that are anti vaccination to come up with a better solution.
I won’t hold my breath on that one though. | |||
"Original intent of this thread was to marvel at the rapidity at which the existing vaccine could likely be adapter (based on what the Moderna CEO was saying). It was not to rehash the statistics, efficacy debates with the same old claptrap. But I did think that it would trigger the anti-vax ideologues
Science is wonderful. And if a few boffins and execs get rich by enabling it. Then more power to them. The beauty of capitalism and science is that it is open to anyone, including those that are anti vaccination to come up with a better solution.
I won’t hold my breath on that one though. " | |||
"The way this is going we’re going to need another vaccine every week and about 1000 jabs later still in the same useless boat Don't you just love the voice of optimism
Just the truth, others ain’t worked have they?
How did you think you got your freedoms back, if the vaccines haven't been working?
There will be lasting immunity from those vaccines already received and it may be very strongly effective for this new variant. Tests are being run, to evaluate. Obviously there are now many vaccines and each 1 may differ somewhat
Vaccines don’ work it’s just to make the companies make them rich,
"But you had your two jabs to feed the rich yes? I mean it's just the booster you are not going to bother with? | |||
"Vaccines HAVE worked. They prevent you getting seriously ill. There really are some stupid people about. I think education in the UK stopoed in the 60s as those who are younger clear have very little between their ears. COVID Vaccines work are no more dangerous than other vaccines you have had in your life. I dispair at the future of our country with so many idiots breeding. Get the vaccine!! vaccines have also brought the Moronic (i mean Omicron) variant here to the UK via vaccinated travellers. So not really a good advert for vaccines for those that have had 2 and a booster when another one will be needed potentially to deal with this variant. And once that is produced and you have it, another variant will come out worse than Moronic and you will need another vaccine for that. You will be stuck in an endless cycle of vaccines for every single variant. Strange that the South African Health Minister has already stated that there is no serious risk, but the govt here are slowly imposing restrictions again. " Well said. Now wait for the abuse. | |||
"Vaccines HAVE worked. They prevent you getting seriously ill. There really are some stupid people about. I think education in the UK stopoed in the 60s as those who are younger clear have very little between their ears. COVID Vaccines work are no more dangerous than other vaccines you have had in your life. I dispair at the future of our country with so many idiots breeding. Get the vaccine!! vaccines have also brought the Moronic (i mean Omicron) variant here to the UK via vaccinated travellers. So not really a good advert for vaccines for those that have had 2 and a booster when another one will be needed potentially to deal with this variant. And once that is produced and you have it, another variant will come out worse than Moronic and you will need another vaccine for that. You will be stuck in an endless cycle of vaccines for every single variant. Strange that the South African Health Minister has already stated that there is no serious risk, but the govt here are slowly imposing restrictions again. Well said. Now wait for the abuse. "  | |||
