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"Japan suspended Moderna injections and pivoted to ivermectin 2-3 months ago. That’s why they now have a low case rate." No they didn’t. | |||
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"Japan suspended Moderna injections and pivoted to ivermectin 2-3 months ago. That’s why they now have a low case rate." neither of these seem to check out. A batch of moderna was stopped irrc. And is there any evidence to support the invermectin claim (especially givenbmany of the studies were shown to be bad science?) | |||
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"Japan suspended Moderna injections and pivoted to ivermectin 2-3 months ago. That’s why they now have a low case rate." Great news. Ivermectin, vit A, C and Zinc as an early treatment is definately proving viable. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!! "“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it? | |||
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"Japan suspended Moderna injections and pivoted to ivermectin 2-3 months ago. That’s why they now have a low case rate." Didnt they add bleach to their tap water too? | |||
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"A quick search of “Japan Ivermectin” The most notable thing I got from it is this Japan sees huge drop in cases after it switches to Ivermectin The head of the Tokyo Medical Association appeared on national television in September urging doctors to use Ivermectin and they listened. A little over a month later, Covid-19 is under control in Japan. If true it’s good news. " Fact check. Social media posts suggest that Japan's government recommends using antiparasitic drug ivermectin to treat Covid-19, citing remarks by the chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association. But he is not a government official, and while clinical trials are ongoing, the Japanese government has to this day not approved ivermectin for that use. https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9M48JR-1 | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it? "That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month... | |||
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"Anyone have a link? " Don't think we are allowed to post links. Googling "Many viruses have evolved to become deadlier" and "Fact Check" should be helpful to find pertinent information. West Nile, Ebola, and the Spanish Flu are are all RNA viruses that mutated into more deadly versions before they died out. Let's hope Covid is already on the downswing in its mutation pattern. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month..."Equating the necessity of boosters with it "doing nothing" is false logic. You also need boosters for Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Hep B, and many other diseases. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!! "And that absolutely is your right. As is the general population’s right to demand that you self isolate. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month..."Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying. Feel free to live in your bubble of denial. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Equating the necessity of boosters with it "doing nothing" is false logic. You also need boosters for Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Hep B, and many other diseases.
"Since when? HepB you get bloodtest to see if antibodies, injections if not, then bloods retaken to check antibodies then no more jabs. Others you list never been offered boosters. Antibody testing is important yet ignored | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month..."Currently nearly everyone in intensive care with covid are the unvaccinated. Which is pretty damning when only a small minority remain unvaxxed. Also: "But it's harmless to anyone who hasn't got an underlying condition!" Well, yeah, often so. But if you're unvaxxed, catching it the first time will _give_ you an underlying condition, so the second time you catch it you're buggered... | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Currently nearly everyone in intensive care with covid are the unvaccinated. Which is pretty damning when only a small minority remain unvaxxed.
Also: "But it's harmless to anyone who hasn't got an underlying condition!" Well, yeah, often so. But if you're unvaxxed, catching it the first time will _give_ you an underlying condition, so the second time you catch it you're buggered..."My mother has just spent 36 hours in hospital on oxygen shes double jabbed and has C.O.P.D. 6-12 months ago she would have certainly been in intensive care and more than likely would have passed away, I for one am grateful for the vaccine and really dont mind waiting a little longer for my inheritance. Mr Hayes. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
And that absolutely is your right. As is the general population’s right to demand that you self isolate. "Your telling me I've to stay in the house until when??? You decide? Government decides?? I have the vaccines?? As far as I'm aware it's voluntary not compulsory to take these things. With. A 99% survival rate I reckon I'll be fine!! | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
And that absolutely is your right. As is the general population’s right to demand that you self isolate.
Your telling me I've to stay in the house until when???
You decide?
Government decides??
I have the vaccines??
As far as I'm aware it's voluntary not compulsory to take these things.
With. A 99% survival rate I reckon I'll be fine!! "96% | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it? "The fact that you can still catch, transmit, become seriously ill and die from covid? | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial."Denial?? Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
"No it doesn't, science is pretty fucking good these days. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Currently nearly everyone in intensive care with covid are the unvaccinated. Which is pretty damning when only a small minority remain unvaxxed.
Also: "But it's harmless to anyone who hasn't got an underlying condition!" Well, yeah, often so. But if you're unvaxxed, catching it the first time will _give_ you an underlying condition, so the second time you catch it you're buggered...
My mother has just spent 36 hours in hospital on oxygen shes double jabbed and has C.O.P.D. 6-12 months ago she would have certainly been in intensive care and more than likely would have passed away, I for one am grateful for the vaccine and really dont mind waiting a little longer for my inheritance.
Mr Hayes. "So if you're unvaccinated, catch covid once you might get away with it, catch it again & you're buggered? Not necessarily the case. I read a while back on here (and I've no reason to discount this as not being the truth) that someone caught covid early on, was poorly, then recovered. Subsequently went on to getting double jabbed, caught covid again, was hospitalised & died. Not suggesting that this was due to the vaccine, just stating that it's not that clear cut. Wishing a speedy recovery to your mum too Mr Hayes. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!! "Shhhhhhh | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
No it doesn't, science is pretty fucking good these days. "plus it's probably money and people that bottlenecks commercial R&D. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
And that absolutely is your right. As is the general population’s right to demand that you self isolate.
Your telling me I've to stay in the house until when???
You decide?
Government decides??
I have the vaccines??
As far as I'm aware it's voluntary not compulsory to take these things.
With. A 99% survival rate I reckon I'll be fine!! "And not a fck given for the elderly and infirm eh? Well done you  | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
"Fyi mRNA vaccine was developed in the 1980s you might try google | |||
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"Japan suspended Moderna injections and pivoted to ivermectin 2-3 months ago. That’s why they now have a low case rate." According to Japan's own data, they are currently administrating around 267,000 doses of vaccines per day. 78% of their population is vaccinated. Cal | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month..."If you don't want to have the vaccine then that's fine and your choice. Peddling your opinion that the vaccine makes no difference is both incorrect and dangerous. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Equating the necessity of boosters with it "doing nothing" is false logic. You also need boosters for Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Hep B, and many other diseases.
Since when? HepB you get bloodtest to see if antibodies, injections if not, then bloods retaken to check antibodies then no more jabs. Others you list never been offered boosters. Antibody testing is important yet ignored"HepB is 3 course vaccination. After the course if finished you may have an antibody check. You can have the HepB antibody check dome privately, it costs £45. It still costs if you get it done NHS, others pay. MMR boosters are given about 3 years after initial vaccination. HepB booster is given if the risk of infection is high. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Currently nearly everyone in intensive care with covid are the unvaccinated. Which is pretty damning when only a small minority remain unvaxxed.
Also: "But it's harmless to anyone who hasn't got an underlying condition!" Well, yeah, often so. But if you're unvaxxed, catching it the first time will _give_ you an underlying condition, so the second time you catch it you're buggered...
My mother has just spent 36 hours in hospital on oxygen shes double jabbed and has C.O.P.D. 6-12 months ago she would have certainly been in intensive care and more than likely would have passed away, I for one am grateful for the vaccine and really dont mind waiting a little longer for my inheritance.
Mr Hayes. "Me too for the vaccines, my aunt is currently asymptomatic positive with covid, feels fine, but I'd hate to think what would have happened had she not had hers and her booster, copd, asthma and heart failure it would have no doubt hospitalised her if not killed her. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Equating the necessity of boosters with it "doing nothing" is false logic. You also need boosters for Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Hep B, and many other diseases.
Since when? HepB you get bloodtest to see if antibodies, injections if not, then bloods retaken to check antibodies then no more jabs. Others you list never been offered boosters. Antibody testing is important yet ignored
HepB is 3 course vaccination.
After the course if finished you may have an antibody check. You can have the HepB antibody check dome privately, it costs £45. It still costs if you get it done NHS, others pay.
MMR boosters are given about 3 years after initial vaccination. HepB booster is given if the risk of infection is high.
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Equating the necessity of boosters with it "doing nothing" is false logic. You also need boosters for Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Hep B, and many other diseases.
Since when? HepB you get bloodtest to see if antibodies, injections if not, then bloods retaken to check antibodies then no more jabs. Others you list never been offered boosters. Antibody testing is important yet ignored
HepB is 3 course vaccination.
After the course if finished you may have an antibody check. You can have the HepB antibody check dome privately, it costs £45. It still costs if you get it done NHS, others pay.
MMR boosters are given about 3 years after initial vaccination. HepB booster is given if the risk of infection is high.
Our HepB was NHS and as described in our post "Was 2 x injections few weeks apart. Deemed high risk being on scene so fast racked treatment they said | |||
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"Nothing to do with vaccination. Viruses work on a protein based level of stability, every time they mutate they become a little more unstable, significant mutation makes it so unstable that it can no longer work as a virus as some element of it is no longer working, this could be method of transmission, half life, ability to survive out of the host body, ability to replicate or many many other factors. Ultimately in it's efforts to change/mutate and adapt it kills itself. " How has everyone skipped past THIS and instead debated about the vaccines? My knowledge on microbiology isnt that great but even i know this is a very likely cause for the delta variant to kill itself off Im glad someone with an understanding of virology is able to chime in on this topic And if this is the case and the virus naturally dies out then we can do away with these idiotic covid passports and regulations and get back to a normal way of life | |||
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"Nothing to do with vaccination. Viruses work on a protein based level of stability, every time they mutate they become a little more unstable, significant mutation makes it so unstable that it can no longer work as a virus as some element of it is no longer working, this could be method of transmission, half life, ability to survive out of the host body, ability to replicate or many many other factors. Ultimately in it's efforts to change/mutate and adapt it kills itself. How has everyone skipped past THIS and instead debated about the vaccines? My knowledge on microbiology isnt that great but even i know this is a very likely cause for the delta variant to kill itself off Im glad someone with an understanding of virology is able to chime in on this topic And if this is the case and the virus naturally dies out then we can do away with these idiotic covid passports and regulations and get back to a normal way of life" interested if this is inevitable or luck. And does it need a closed environment ? | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Equating the necessity of boosters with it "doing nothing" is false logic. You also need boosters for Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Hep B, and many other diseases.
Since when? HepB you get bloodtest to see if antibodies, injections if not, then bloods retaken to check antibodies then no more jabs. Others you list never been offered boosters. Antibody testing is important yet ignored"Since when? Since always NHS INFO : 2 doses of the MMR vaccine provide the best protection against measles, mumps and rubella. What hepatitis B immunisation involves Full protection involves having 3 injections of the hepatitis B vaccine at the recommended intervals. It's not "one and done". | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Equating the necessity of boosters with it "doing nothing" is false logic. You also need boosters for Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Hep B, and many other diseases.
Since when? HepB you get bloodtest to see if antibodies, injections if not, then bloods retaken to check antibodies then no more jabs. Others you list never been offered boosters. Antibody testing is important yet ignored
Since when? Since always
NHS INFO
: 2 doses of the MMR vaccine provide the best protection against measles, mumps and rubella.
What hepatitis B immunisation involves
Full protection involves having 3 injections of the hepatitis B vaccine at the recommended intervals.
It's not "one and done".
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" How has everyone skipped past THIS and instead debated about the vaccines? My knowledge on microbiology isnt that great but even i know this is a very likely cause for the delta variant to kill itself off Im glad someone with an understanding of virology is able to chime in on this topic And if this is the case and the virus naturally dies out then we can do away with these idiotic covid passports and regulations and get back to a normal way of life" Because it's largely nonsense, and not how evolution works - there is no direction. Most mutations are neutral. We also know coronaviruses are fairly stable thanks to a proofreading exoribonuclease domain that protects the virus from mutagenesis. I think. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Equating the necessity of boosters with it "doing nothing" is false logic. You also need boosters for Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Hep B, and many other diseases.
Since when? HepB you get bloodtest to see if antibodies, injections if not, then bloods retaken to check antibodies then no more jabs. Others you list never been offered boosters. Antibody testing is important yet ignored
Since when? Since always
NHS INFO
: 2 doses of the MMR vaccine provide the best protection against measles, mumps and rubella.
What hepatitis B immunisation involves
Full protection involves having 3 injections of the hepatitis B vaccine at the recommended intervals.
It's not "one and done".
Yes but it's course and done not booster after booster. This is looking like 8 jabs during trial phase "Actually hep b has a antibody check/ booster every 5 years so you do have boosters with it | |||
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"Nothing to do with vaccination. Viruses work on a protein based level of stability, every time they mutate they become a little more unstable, significant mutation makes it so unstable that it can no longer work as a virus as some element of it is no longer working, this could be method of transmission, half life, ability to survive out of the host body, ability to replicate or many many other factors. Ultimately in it's efforts to change/mutate and adapt it kills itself. " This is completely incorrect. Viruses contain genetic information, exactly the same as cellular based organisms, but lack the cellular "machinery" to transcribe and translate the genetic code. This is why they require a host cell. Viruses can have DNA or RNA genomes and these can be double or single stranded. Double stranded DNA genomes would be the most "stable" genome, as is the case for plant and animal cells (including our own). Single stranded genomes are inherently less stable as there's no template strand. Heroes viruses are examples of double stranded DNA viruses and they are actually not prone to rapid mutation at all. SARS-CoV-2 has a single stranded RNA genome, so is prone to far more frequent mutation. It does have an inbuilt "proof reading" mechanism, which makes SARS-CoV-2 less mutation-prone than, say, influenza, which cannot repair any errors. It is completely false to suggest that over a period of time, a virus will "kill itself off". We are co-existing now with viruses that have infected humans since the beginning of humankind. Yes, the specific DNA or RNA sequences might be slightly different (mutated) to the "original" (wild type). But that's the same for any organism. Human DNA sequences aren't the same now as a few thousand years ago. Hence why things like ginger hair and blue eyes have arisen. The fact that (apart from identical twins), no humans have the same genome sequence should tell us that human DNA has also acquired lots of mutations over time, despite having stable dsDNA genomes. Many things impact rates of mutation, not just accuracy of DNA/RNA replication. Exposure to radiation or a multitude of other environmental factors can lead to accumulation of mutations in any DNA or RNA based organism. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month..."Did you write that without thinking? Turning the oven down doesnt turn off the oven. It doesn't do nothing either. Taking a vaccine doesn't stop the virus. It doesn't do nothing either. | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. " No one cares if you put your own health at risk - they care that your actions endanger their parents, grandparents and vulnerable family members. What part of that are you having difficulty understanding??? | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. " Just out of interest, what would you do in the event if some kinda mandate? Obviously I don’t believe anyone should be forced to take a vaccine But we are seeing other countries slowly barring the unvaccinated out of society. Let’s say England brings in a law saying unvaccinated can’t attend any entertainment venues. Essential only for example. So no pub, no cinema, no parks or recreational sports, nothing. You can go to food shops only. What would you do? Still not take it? Genuinely wondering I seriously believe that’s how things are headed. I don’t think anyone will force you to take a vaccine you don’t want to, but I do believe the law and most of society will want to remove you from society as much as possible | |||
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"Don't count yer chickens before they've hatched is a classic saying that should apply here! We've got a long wait before & if we see the back of this so don't go throwing away your masks just yet! "Threw them away months ago. | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. No one cares if you put your own health at risk - they care that your actions endanger their parents, grandparents and vulnerable family members. What part of that are you having difficulty understanding??? " Not cool. He's not responsible for your parents / grandparents or mine. He's perfectly entitled to choose what he puts in his body, as are we all. There will, rightly, never be a mandate for this vaccine in England. | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. Just out of interest, what would you do in the event if some kinda mandate? Obviously I don’t believe anyone should be forced to take a vaccine But we are seeing other countries slowly barring the unvaccinated out of society. Let’s say England brings in a law saying unvaccinated can’t attend any entertainment venues. Essential only for example. So no pub, no cinema, no parks or recreational sports, nothing. You can go to food shops only. What would you do? Still not take it? Genuinely wondering I seriously believe that’s how things are headed. I don’t think anyone will force you to take a vaccine you don’t want to, but I do believe the law and most of society will want to remove you from society as much as possible " And doesn’t that concern you? If such laws could be implemented what’s to stop them being expanded to include other aspects of your life? It seems easy to say “ah just get jabbed and you’ll be ok.” But if we support these kind of decisions I feel it’ll take us down a dark road where the government can essentially make you do whatever or be faced with exclusion. So it might not concern you, but that’s only because it doesn’t negatively affect you, for now. | |||
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"Anyone have a link? Don't think we are allowed to post links. Googling "Many viruses have evolved to become deadlier" and "Fact Check" should be helpful to find pertinent information. West Nile, Ebola, and the Spanish Flu are are all RNA viruses that mutated into more deadly versions before they died out. Let's hope Covid is already on the downswing in its mutation pattern. " I wonder if this had been Ebola, how many people would follow government guidelines. Would they be so quick to go out in groups? | |||
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"Nothing to do with vaccination. Viruses work on a protein based level of stability, every time they mutate they become a little more unstable, significant mutation makes it so unstable that it can no longer work as a virus as some element of it is no longer working, this could be method of transmission, half life, ability to survive out of the host body, ability to replicate or many many other factors. Ultimately in it's efforts to change/mutate and adapt it kills itself. This is completely incorrect. Viruses contain genetic information, exactly the same as cellular based organisms, but lack the cellular "machinery" to transcribe and translate the genetic code. This is why they require a host cell. Viruses can have DNA or RNA genomes and these can be double or single stranded. Double stranded DNA genomes would be the most "stable" genome, as is the case for plant and animal cells (including our own). Single stranded genomes are inherently less stable as there's no template strand. Heroes viruses are examples of double stranded DNA viruses and they are actually not prone to rapid mutation at all. SARS-CoV-2 has a single stranded RNA genome, so is prone to far more frequent mutation. It does have an inbuilt "proof reading" mechanism, which makes SARS-CoV-2 less mutation-prone than, say, influenza, which cannot repair any errors. It is completely false to suggest that over a period of time, a virus will "kill itself off". We are co-existing now with viruses that have infected humans since the beginning of humankind. Yes, the specific DNA or RNA sequences might be slightly different (mutated) to the "original" (wild type). But that's the same for any organism. Human DNA sequences aren't the same now as a few thousand years ago. Hence why things like ginger hair and blue eyes have arisen. The fact that (apart from identical twins), no humans have the same genome sequence should tell us that human DNA has also acquired lots of mutations over time, despite having stable dsDNA genomes. Many things impact rates of mutation, not just accuracy of DNA/RNA replication. Exposure to radiation or a multitude of other environmental factors can lead to accumulation of mutations in any DNA or RNA based organism. " Hold on though, now i know this is some info boiling up from the back of my head and i have no idea where i learned it from but virus' have been known to mutate to a degree where they can no longer remain stable in their environment, and iirc it was one of the forms of natural selection during the early stages of microbiological evolution on earth. Granted many virus' have genetic coding that prevent mutations and maintain their stability in an environment, but dont certain mutations lose that inheritant safeguard? And couldnt a newer mutation be vulnerable to certain environmental factors as well? And if my knowledge on biology serves me correctly a mutation doesnt necessarily mean a virus has evolved, some inheritant trait from previous mutations can be lost as much as a new trait can be gained through a mutation Another thought needs to be considered that virus' need living cells to replicate, so if the virus is too deadly for the hosts then the virus cannot replicate and spread. It will need to mutate in order limit that lethality in order for it to continue spreading, and at the same time, lose the ability to protect itself against certain environmental factors such as antibodies for example | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Did you write that without thinking?
Turning the oven down doesnt turn off the oven. It doesn't do nothing either.
Taking a vaccine doesn't stop the virus. It doesn't do nothing either.
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". Hold on though, now i know this is some info boiling up from the back of my head and i have no idea where i learned it from but virus' have been known to mutate to a degree where they can no longer remain stable in their environment, and iirc it was one of the forms of natural selection during the early stages of microbiological evolution on earth. Granted many virus' have genetic coding that prevent mutations and maintain their stability in an environment, but dont certain mutations lose that inheritant safeguard? And couldnt a newer mutation be vulnerable to certain environmental factors as well? And if my knowledge on biology serves me correctly a mutation doesnt necessarily mean a virus has evolved, some inheritant trait from previous mutations can be lost as much as a new trait can be gained through a mutation Another thought needs to be considered that virus' need living cells to replicate, so if the virus is too deadly for the hosts then the virus cannot replicate and spread. It will need to mutate in order limit that lethality in order for it to continue spreading, and at the same time, lose the ability to protect itself against certain environmental factors such as antibodies for example" Lethal mutagenesis is technically feasible. Should we wait for it? Nope. I think you're forgetting that this all must occur on a population level. Mutation and replication drive diversity which is a good thing in biology. | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. No one cares if you put your own health at risk - they care that your actions endanger their parents, grandparents and vulnerable family members. What part of that are you having difficulty understanding??? Not cool. He's not responsible for your parents / grandparents or mine. He's perfectly entitled to choose what he puts in his body, as are we all. There will, rightly, never be a mandate for this vaccine in England." How do you work that out? If someone refuses to take the vaccine and then infects someone else don’t you think they are in some measure responsible? | |||
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"And if my knowledge on biology serves me correctly a mutation doesnt necessarily mean a virus has evolved, some inheritant trait from previous mutations can be lost as much as a new trait can be gained through a mutation Another thought needs to be considered that virus' need living cells to replicate, so if the virus is too deadly for the hosts then the virus cannot replicate and spread. It will need to mutate in order limit that lethality in order for it to continue spreading, and at the same time, lose the ability to protect itself against certain environmental factors such as antibodies for example" Mutations are quite literally how evolution happens. Some mutations will be beneficial to the organism at the population level, others will be detrimental. It all depends on what the mutations are, what the environmental factors are at play and how the genetic and environmental factors interact, which dictates whether an organism continues to exist or goes extinct. Viruses do not protect themselves against anything. They may acquire mutations that enable them to evade certain antibodies, but all that is is proof of evolution by natural selection, of a fashion. Viruses are in the twilight zone between living organisms and biological molecule, but that doesn't mean they avoid the same principles of evolution. If a single virion develops a mutation which means that it can "hide" within infected cells, then it will succeed in making more copies of itself (genetically identical). These virions (with the mutation) will infect neighbouring cells and the process continues. That's essentially how the Delta variant has become so successful - the mutations enable it to be more infectious. Lethality is not required to spread a virus. Rhinoviruses cause colds. They're usually immensely benign (unless immunocompromised) but spread like wildfire. Ditto herpesviruses for example - unsightly, but infrequently fatal (unless introduced directly into the bloodstream and immunocompromised etc). Plenty of viruses are very low on the lethality scale but high on the infectiousness stakes. Ebola virus is generally becoming less lethal over time (makes sense from an evolutionary perspective). Early outbreaks had case fatality rates in the high 90s. Latest outbreaks were "only" in the 50/60s ish. That's over half of infected people die, by the way, so still pretty shabby. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
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"Maybe watch Dr John Campbell on you tube. He has raised some interesting points re the situation in Japan. Other videos on his channel are informative also. He looks at the data and science, unlike the govt lol" He’s a nurse. Dr of philosophy | |||
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"Maybe watch Dr John Campbell on you tube. He has raised some interesting points re the situation in Japan. Other videos on his channel are informative also. He looks at the data and science, unlike the govt lol" I'll stick with published peer reviewed material, which is generally much more reliable and robust | |||
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"Nothing to do with vaccination. Viruses work on a protein based level of stability, every time they mutate they become a little more unstable, significant mutation makes it so unstable that it can no longer work as a virus as some element of it is no longer working, this could be method of transmission, half life, ability to survive out of the host body, ability to replicate or many many other factors. Ultimately in it's efforts to change/mutate and adapt it kills itself. This is completely incorrect. Viruses contain genetic information, exactly the same as cellular based organisms, but lack the cellular "machinery" to transcribe and translate the genetic code. This is why they require a host cell. Viruses can have DNA or RNA genomes and these can be double or single stranded. Double stranded DNA genomes would be the most "stable" genome, as is the case for plant and animal cells (including our own). Single stranded genomes are inherently less stable as there's no template strand. Heroes viruses are examples of double stranded DNA viruses and they are actually not prone to rapid mutation at all. SARS-CoV-2 has a single stranded RNA genome, so is prone to far more frequent mutation. It does have an inbuilt "proof reading" mechanism, which makes SARS-CoV-2 less mutation-prone than, say, influenza, which cannot repair any errors. It is completely false to suggest that over a period of time, a virus will "kill itself off". We are co-existing now with viruses that have infected humans since the beginning of humankind. Yes, the specific DNA or RNA sequences might be slightly different (mutated) to the "original" (wild type). But that's the same for any organism. Human DNA sequences aren't the same now as a few thousand years ago. Hence why things like ginger hair and blue eyes have arisen. The fact that (apart from identical twins), no humans have the same genome sequence should tell us that human DNA has also acquired lots of mutations over time, despite having stable dsDNA genomes. Many things impact rates of mutation, not just accuracy of DNA/RNA replication. Exposure to radiation or a multitude of other environmental factors can lead to accumulation of mutations in any DNA or RNA based organism. Hold on though, now i know this is some info boiling up from the back of my head and i have no idea where i learned it from but virus' have been known to mutate to a degree where they can no longer remain stable in their environment, and iirc it was one of the forms of natural selection during the early stages of microbiological evolution on earth. Granted many virus' have genetic coding that prevent mutations and maintain their stability in an environment, but dont certain mutations lose that inheritant safeguard? And couldnt a newer mutation be vulnerable to certain environmental factors as well? And if my knowledge on biology serves me correctly a mutation doesnt necessarily mean a virus has evolved, some inheritant trait from previous mutations can be lost as much as a new trait can be gained through a mutation Another thought needs to be considered that virus' need living cells to replicate, so if the virus is too deadly for the hosts then the virus cannot replicate and spread. It will need to mutate in order limit that lethality in order for it to continue spreading, and at the same time, lose the ability to protect itself against certain environmental factors such as antibodies for example" What you have to realise is that a mutation in a virus does not mean that every single instance of that virus in every single person have all changed at the same time. The DNA/RNA of one instance of the virus in one cell of a person may or may not get corrupted during any single replication. Every other instance of the virus, in every other cell of every other person, may or may not get corrupted during each replication. But they don't all get corrupted in the same way at the same time. The strand of DNA/RNA from the virus will typically contain thousands or tens of thousands of genes (depending on the complexity of the virus), any corruption will happen at just a small number of places on the strand chosen more or less completely at random. In the case of the SARS-COV-2 virus there is a chemical mechanism that tries to patch up any corruption that occurs, but it doesn't always manage to fix it completely. So in any one person, after one replication cycle, there might be 99.999% of the virus copies that are exact, and 0.001% that are a bit "smudgy", each one of them being smudged in a different place. In the case of a smudge that makes that copy of the virus non-viable, no further copying of that version will occur, that mutation is essentially dead. But there are hundreds of different mutations occurring in different copies of the virus all the time, plus the vast majority of copies that are unchanged. When the mutation in a copy of the virus is somehow beneficial, and that version of the virus reproduces more often or makes more copies each time or is somehow better at entering new bodies, then over time more copies of that version will result than the original version. It becomes a dominating variant. But at the same time there are lots of other, different, dominating variants being created. When the mutation in a copy of the virus is somehow detrimental, and that version of the virus reproduces less often or makes less copies each time or is somehow worse at entering new bodies, then over time less copies of that version will result than the original version. It gets starved out because cells and bodies are being infected faster by the more successful versions. As mutation piles upon mutation, yes there will be some versions created where eg. change A on its own is beneficial, change B on its own is beneficial, but change A plus change B is not viable. But there are always billions of copies of the virus that don't get both changes occurring. There will be plenty of just A's, plenty of just B's, but no A+B's. Then in future generations we might get change C, and a population that consists of some just C's, some A+C's, some B+C's, but no A+B+C's. And a lot that have got none of the changes. None of these different versions of the virus are "fighting" with each other, or doing anything at all in an organised way. They are all just being replicated when they enter body cells, but some are replicating faster than others, so some versions tend to end up with more copies, some versions end up with fewer copies. The chance of any single particular instance of the virus mutating during a single replication is small. But small multiplied by a lot of cells in a body, multiplied by a lot of rounds of replication during the period that infection lasts, multiplied by millions of people being infected equals a (to use a technical term) shit-load of opportunities for versions to arise that are both better at reproducing and more lethal to the infected person. Which is why lots of us who understand this have being going ape-shit about the herd-immunity policy. Otherwise known as the maximise the chances of creating a version that will kill everybody policy. Ultimately the only thing that does limit the lethality of mutations for a virus, is that any mutation that kills off the host so fast that they don't get chance to infect another person is self-limiting. But as long as the host does live long enough to infect at least one other person, then it doesn't matter if it does kill the original host. The only thing that evolution maximises is the number of people that get infected from a single person. If the infected person lives longer, then they can pass it on to more people = bigger spread. But if the variant is easier to catch, then an infected person who dies sooner can still pass it on to more people = bigger spread. Deliberately allowing higher infection by removing masks, encouraging social contact etc. allows the opportunity for the development of greater lethality in the virus. Herd immunity policy = increased possibility that it jumps from 1% lethal to 10% lethal, or higher still. Conversely attempting to slow the spread by mandating masks, social distancing etc. encourages the development of lower lethality in the virus, as any version that killed people quickly would not get as much chance to get passed on. *** End of Evolution 101 lecture *** | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. Just out of interest, what would you do in the event if some kinda mandate? Obviously I don’t believe anyone should be forced to take a vaccine But we are seeing other countries slowly barring the unvaccinated out of society. Let’s say England brings in a law saying unvaccinated can’t attend any entertainment venues. Essential only for example. So no pub, no cinema, no parks or recreational sports, nothing. You can go to food shops only. What would you do? Still not take it? Genuinely wondering I seriously believe that’s how things are headed. I don’t think anyone will force you to take a vaccine you don’t want to, but I do believe the law and most of society will want to remove you from society as much as possible And doesn’t that concern you? If such laws could be implemented what’s to stop them being expanded to include other aspects of your life? It seems easy to say “ah just get jabbed and you’ll be ok.” But if we support these kind of decisions I feel it’ll take us down a dark road where the government can essentially make you do whatever or be faced with exclusion. So it might not concern you, but that’s only because it doesn’t negatively affect you, for now. " Personally it doesn’t concern me because there’s enough science out there to suggest you should be vaccinated I’m not even fully vaccinated yet and I’d still support that move If you don’t wanna partake in something to make everyone safer, then don’t expect to be welcomed into society | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
And that absolutely is your right. As is the general population’s right to demand that you self isolate.
Your telling me I've to stay in the house until when???
You decide?
Government decides??
I have the vaccines??
As far as I'm aware it's voluntary not compulsory to take these things.
With. A 99% survival rate I reckon I'll be fine!! "Would you fly if everyday around 1k planes crashed? | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. Just out of interest, what would you do in the event if some kinda mandate? Obviously I don’t believe anyone should be forced to take a vaccine But we are seeing other countries slowly barring the unvaccinated out of society. Let’s say England brings in a law saying unvaccinated can’t attend any entertainment venues. Essential only for example. So no pub, no cinema, no parks or recreational sports, nothing. You can go to food shops only. What would you do? Still not take it? Genuinely wondering I seriously believe that’s how things are headed. I don’t think anyone will force you to take a vaccine you don’t want to, but I do believe the law and most of society will want to remove you from society as much as possible And doesn’t that concern you? If such laws could be implemented what’s to stop them being expanded to include other aspects of your life? It seems easy to say “ah just get jabbed and you’ll be ok.” But if we support these kind of decisions I feel it’ll take us down a dark road where the government can essentially make you do whatever or be faced with exclusion. So it might not concern you, but that’s only because it doesn’t negatively affect you, for now. Personally it doesn’t concern me because there’s enough science out there to suggest you should be vaccinated I’m not even fully vaccinated yet and I’d still support that move If you don’t wanna partake in something to make everyone safer, then don’t expect to be welcomed into society " I think you’ve missed my point. If the government can enforce mandatory vaccinations by proxy then what else can/will they do? We’ve seen time again how the goalposts can be shifted. You’re prepared to support these kinds of decisions now but you can’t deny it’s an infringement on the freedom of choice. If this is possible then who knows what it could open the door to? | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. Just out of interest, what would you do in the event if some kinda mandate? Obviously I don’t believe anyone should be forced to take a vaccine But we are seeing other countries slowly barring the unvaccinated out of society. Let’s say England brings in a law saying unvaccinated can’t attend any entertainment venues. Essential only for example. So no pub, no cinema, no parks or recreational sports, nothing. You can go to food shops only. What would you do? Still not take it? Genuinely wondering I seriously believe that’s how things are headed. I don’t think anyone will force you to take a vaccine you don’t want to, but I do believe the law and most of society will want to remove you from society as much as possible And doesn’t that concern you? If such laws could be implemented what’s to stop them being expanded to include other aspects of your life? It seems easy to say “ah just get jabbed and you’ll be ok.” But if we support these kind of decisions I feel it’ll take us down a dark road where the government can essentially make you do whatever or be faced with exclusion. So it might not concern you, but that’s only because it doesn’t negatively affect you, for now. Personally it doesn’t concern me because there’s enough science out there to suggest you should be vaccinated I’m not even fully vaccinated yet and I’d still support that move If you don’t wanna partake in something to make everyone safer, then don’t expect to be welcomed into society I think you’ve missed my point. If the government can enforce mandatory vaccinations by proxy then what else can/will they do? We’ve seen time again how the goalposts can be shifted. You’re prepared to support these kinds of decisions now but you can’t deny it’s an infringement on the freedom of choice. If this is possible then who knows what it could open the door to? " They can stop you smoking in public buildings, they can force you to have a driving licence to use a car. There are regular elections, if you don't like what they're doing then kick then out | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. Just out of interest, what would you do in the event if some kinda mandate? Obviously I don’t believe anyone should be forced to take a vaccine But we are seeing other countries slowly barring the unvaccinated out of society. Let’s say England brings in a law saying unvaccinated can’t attend any entertainment venues. Essential only for example. So no pub, no cinema, no parks or recreational sports, nothing. You can go to food shops only. What would you do? Still not take it? Genuinely wondering I seriously believe that’s how things are headed. I don’t think anyone will force you to take a vaccine you don’t want to, but I do believe the law and most of society will want to remove you from society as much as possible And doesn’t that concern you? If such laws could be implemented what’s to stop them being expanded to include other aspects of your life? It seems easy to say “ah just get jabbed and you’ll be ok.” But if we support these kind of decisions I feel it’ll take us down a dark road where the government can essentially make you do whatever or be faced with exclusion. So it might not concern you, but that’s only because it doesn’t negatively affect you, for now. Personally it doesn’t concern me because there’s enough science out there to suggest you should be vaccinated I’m not even fully vaccinated yet and I’d still support that move If you don’t wanna partake in something to make everyone safer, then don’t expect to be welcomed into society I think you’ve missed my point. If the government can enforce mandatory vaccinations by proxy then what else can/will they do? We’ve seen time again how the goalposts can be shifted. You’re prepared to support these kinds of decisions now but you can’t deny it’s an infringement on the freedom of choice. If this is possible then who knows what it could open the door to? They can stop you smoking in public buildings, they can force you to have a driving licence to use a car. There are regular elections, if you don't like what they're doing then kick then out" Poor comparisons. This is about the freedom to refuse to put things in your body that you don’t want. | |||
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"Japan suspended Moderna injections and pivoted to ivermectin 2-3 months ago. That’s why they now have a low case rate. Didnt they add bleach to their tap water too? " No, that's lunacy. It was 4 drops to each glass of kids Ribena.  | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. No one cares if you put your own health at risk - they care that your actions endanger their parents, grandparents and vulnerable family members. What part of that are you having difficulty understanding??? Not cool. He's not responsible for your parents / grandparents or mine. He's perfectly entitled to choose what he puts in his body, as are we all. There will, rightly, never be a mandate for this vaccine in England. How do you work that out? If someone refuses to take the vaccine and then infects someone else don’t you think they are in some measure responsible? " So if they have had the jab and infect someone are they responsible for passing it on or do they get a pass because they have been jabbed? | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. No one cares if you put your own health at risk - they care that your actions endanger their parents, grandparents and vulnerable family members. What part of that are you having difficulty understanding??? Not cool. He's not responsible for your parents / grandparents or mine. He's perfectly entitled to choose what he puts in his body, as are we all. There will, rightly, never be a mandate for this vaccine in England. How do you work that out? If someone refuses to take the vaccine and then infects someone else don’t you think they are in some measure responsible? So if they have had the jab and infect someone are they responsible for passing it on or do they get a pass because they have been jabbed?" . Anyone ever thought that just maybe those who are scared or vulnerable in some way should perhaps take some responsibility for their own health and safety and stop looking to blame others for everything. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month..."To be fair it has probably taken the death element out of the equation for some lucky souls. But I'm sure you can scrape up some data from the internet showing vaccines, over the years, have not helped the human race one jot. Had 2 elderly patients recently, fully jabbed but admitted, quite poorly but eventually after a brief stay in hospital returned to their loving families. Another Christmas with them looks on the cards. No vaccine, probably meant their families organising a funeral not a Turkey dinner. But hey, they're old probably going to die soon anyway, why bother. Washing hands, wearing a mask, getting a vaccine, all a waste of time. As long as I'm ok, that's the main thing. Have a think about that family when you are with your family and friends this Christmas. Good luck to you. | |||
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"Japan suspended Moderna injections and pivoted to ivermectin 2-3 months ago. That’s why they now have a low case rate. Didnt they add bleach to their tap water too? No, that's lunacy. It was 4 drops to each glass of kids Ribena. "Ohhhh it was sodium fluoride not sodium hypochlorite.... Sound the same.... | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. No one cares if you put your own health at risk - they care that your actions endanger their parents, grandparents and vulnerable family members. What part of that are you having difficulty understanding??? Not cool. He's not responsible for your parents / grandparents or mine. He's perfectly entitled to choose what he puts in his body, as are we all. There will, rightly, never be a mandate for this vaccine in England. How do you work that out? If someone refuses to take the vaccine and then infects someone else don’t you think they are in some measure responsible? So if they have had the jab and infect someone are they responsible for passing it on or do they get a pass because they have been jabbed?" Well, there's a jolly old conundrum | |||
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"Japan suspended Moderna injections and pivoted to ivermectin 2-3 months ago. That’s why they now have a low case rate. Didnt they add bleach to their tap water too? No, that's lunacy. It was 4 drops to each glass of kids Ribena.
Ohhhh it was sodium fluoride not sodium hypochlorite.... Sound the same.... "Almost, but tastes a bit different
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
To be fair it has probably taken the death element out of the equation for some lucky souls.
But I'm sure you can scrape up some data from the internet showing vaccines, over the years, have not helped the human race one jot.
Had 2 elderly patients recently, fully jabbed but admitted, quite poorly but eventually after a brief stay in hospital returned to their loving families.
Another Christmas with them looks on the cards.
No vaccine, probably meant their families organising a funeral not a Turkey dinner.
But hey, they're old probably going to die soon anyway, why bother.
Washing hands, wearing a mask, getting a vaccine, all a waste of time.
As long as I'm ok, that's the main thing.
Have a think about that family when you are with your family and friends this Christmas.
Good luck to you.
"That brought a tear to my eye mate. Sadly my mum caught it Xmas lunch last year in her care home. Didn't have the chance of a jab because my local health care were running about 6 weeks behind the rest of the country. It tortured her slowly to death. I'm dreading Xmas this year. She was old but had plenty of miles left in the tank. Sadly some people seem to think there is an arbitrary age past which people don't deserve to receive care or live. Thankfully there are still many people who do care. We will all need it one day. | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. Just out of interest, what would you do in the event if some kinda mandate? Obviously I don’t believe anyone should be forced to take a vaccine But we are seeing other countries slowly barring the unvaccinated out of society. Let’s say England brings in a law saying unvaccinated can’t attend any entertainment venues. Essential only for example. So no pub, no cinema, no parks or recreational sports, nothing. You can go to food shops only. What would you do? Still not take it? Genuinely wondering I seriously believe that’s how things are headed. I don’t think anyone will force you to take a vaccine you don’t want to, but I do believe the law and most of society will want to remove you from society as much as possible And doesn’t that concern you? If such laws could be implemented what’s to stop them being expanded to include other aspects of your life? It seems easy to say “ah just get jabbed and you’ll be ok.” But if we support these kind of decisions I feel it’ll take us down a dark road where the government can essentially make you do whatever or be faced with exclusion. So it might not concern you, but that’s only because it doesn’t negatively affect you, for now. Personally it doesn’t concern me because there’s enough science out there to suggest you should be vaccinated I’m not even fully vaccinated yet and I’d still support that move If you don’t wanna partake in something to make everyone safer, then don’t expect to be welcomed into society I think you’ve missed my point. If the government can enforce mandatory vaccinations by proxy then what else can/will they do? We’ve seen time again how the goalposts can be shifted. You’re prepared to support these kinds of decisions now but you can’t deny it’s an infringement on the freedom of choice. If this is possible then who knows what it could open the door to? " I saw your point, I just don’t believe it It’s not an infringement of your freedom of Chou s to be barred from businesses. You don’t have a right to go in shops and entertainment venues, they are a privilege. And if you choose not to partake in something that makes every safer, you can lose that privilege. Is it your right to drive d*unk? Or smoke inside a cinema? Freedom of choice comes with choosing whether to have the vaccine or not. Just like the freedom of choice to Barr you from certain things if you don’t. Your free to live your life without the vaccine. You can get your food and goods delivered. You can go around your friends house or out for walks. Plus, my questions wasn’t anything to do with this stuff anyways. It’s what would he do if this kinda mandate come into place in the UK? Would he stand strong against the vaccine? For how long? What about 5 years down the line, would he still be refusing it? | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. Just out of interest, what would you do in the event if some kinda mandate? Obviously I don’t believe anyone should be forced to take a vaccine But we are seeing other countries slowly barring the unvaccinated out of society. Let’s say England brings in a law saying unvaccinated can’t attend any entertainment venues. Essential only for example. So no pub, no cinema, no parks or recreational sports, nothing. You can go to food shops only. What would you do? Still not take it? Genuinely wondering I seriously believe that’s how things are headed. I don’t think anyone will force you to take a vaccine you don’t want to, but I do believe the law and most of society will want to remove you from society as much as possible And doesn’t that concern you? If such laws could be implemented what’s to stop them being expanded to include other aspects of your life? It seems easy to say “ah just get jabbed and you’ll be ok.” But if we support these kind of decisions I feel it’ll take us down a dark road where the government can essentially make you do whatever or be faced with exclusion. So it might not concern you, but that’s only because it doesn’t negatively affect you, for now. Personally it doesn’t concern me because there’s enough science out there to suggest you should be vaccinated I’m not even fully vaccinated yet and I’d still support that move If you don’t wanna partake in something to make everyone safer, then don’t expect to be welcomed into society I think you’ve missed my point. If the government can enforce mandatory vaccinations by proxy then what else can/will they do? We’ve seen time again how the goalposts can be shifted. You’re prepared to support these kinds of decisions now but you can’t deny it’s an infringement on the freedom of choice. If this is possible then who knows what it could open the door to? I saw your point, I just don’t believe it It’s not an infringement of your freedom of Chou s to be barred from businesses. You don’t have a right to go in shops and entertainment venues, they are a privilege. And if you choose not to partake in something that makes every safer, you can lose that privilege. Is it your right to drive d*unk? Or smoke inside a cinema? Freedom of choice comes with choosing whether to have the vaccine or not. Just like the freedom of choice to Barr you from certain things if you don’t. Your free to live your life without the vaccine. You can get your food and goods delivered. You can go around your friends house or out for walks. Plus, my questions wasn’t anything to do with this stuff anyways. It’s what would he do if this kinda mandate come into place in the UK? Would he stand strong against the vaccine? For how long? What about 5 years down the line, would he still be refusing it? " Comparing d*unk drivers to unvaccinated people has been done to death and is ludicrous to be honest. It relies on the notion that unvaccinated people are equally as dangerous as d*unk drivers which is laughable really. People go all over knowing full well unvaccinated people are free to roam in the same places as them but you still feel safe, why? Because they’re vaccinated. Yet, if d*unk driving was suddenly made legal you’d be terrified to get behind the wheel, you wouldn’t sit in your car and feel an element of safety just because you’re sober. But again, driving laws and smoking laws don’t require anyone to put things into their body that they don’t wish to have. A vaccine mandate does. Take the vaccine or be ostracised is not a choice, it’s the illusion of one. | |||
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"Here's a question. If I have covid, is it against my freedoms to have to isolate? Should I be allowed to the cinema? At what point does my freedom end, and yours start ? " If you knowingly have anything that’s contagious you should obviously avoid spreading it. Limiting your freedom when you’re unwell is only temporary. Limiting your freedom when you’re unvaccinated is permanent until you decide to comply and therefore highlights that the “choice” is just an illusion of one. Thankfully we aren’t at this stage and hopefully never will be. | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. Just out of interest, what would you do in the event if some kinda mandate? Obviously I don’t believe anyone should be forced to take a vaccine But we are seeing other countries slowly barring the unvaccinated out of society. Let’s say England brings in a law saying unvaccinated can’t attend any entertainment venues. Essential only for example. So no pub, no cinema, no parks or recreational sports, nothing. You can go to food shops only. What would you do? Still not take it? Genuinely wondering I seriously believe that’s how things are headed. I don’t think anyone will force you to take a vaccine you don’t want to, but I do believe the law and most of society will want to remove you from society as much as possible And doesn’t that concern you? If such laws could be implemented what’s to stop them being expanded to include other aspects of your life? It seems easy to say “ah just get jabbed and you’ll be ok.” But if we support these kind of decisions I feel it’ll take us down a dark road where the government can essentially make you do whatever or be faced with exclusion. So it might not concern you, but that’s only because it doesn’t negatively affect you, for now. Personally it doesn’t concern me because there’s enough science out there to suggest you should be vaccinated I’m not even fully vaccinated yet and I’d still support that move If you don’t wanna partake in something to make everyone safer, then don’t expect to be welcomed into society I think you’ve missed my point. If the government can enforce mandatory vaccinations by proxy then what else can/will they do? We’ve seen time again how the goalposts can be shifted. You’re prepared to support these kinds of decisions now but you can’t deny it’s an infringement on the freedom of choice. If this is possible then who knows what it could open the door to? I saw your point, I just don’t believe it It’s not an infringement of your freedom of Chou s to be barred from businesses. You don’t have a right to go in shops and entertainment venues, they are a privilege. And if you choose not to partake in something that makes every safer, you can lose that privilege. Is it your right to drive d*unk? Or smoke inside a cinema? Freedom of choice comes with choosing whether to have the vaccine or not. Just like the freedom of choice to Barr you from certain things if you don’t. Your free to live your life without the vaccine. You can get your food and goods delivered. You can go around your friends house or out for walks. Plus, my questions wasn’t anything to do with this stuff anyways. It’s what would he do if this kinda mandate come into place in the UK? Would he stand strong against the vaccine? For how long? What about 5 years down the line, would he still be refusing it? Comparing d*unk drivers to unvaccinated people has been done to death and is ludicrous to be honest. It relies on the notion that unvaccinated people are equally as dangerous as d*unk drivers which is laughable really. People go all over knowing full well unvaccinated people are free to roam in the same places as them but you still feel safe, why? Because they’re vaccinated. Yet, if d*unk driving was suddenly made legal you’d be terrified to get behind the wheel, you wouldn’t sit in your car and feel an element of safety just because you’re sober. But again, driving laws and smoking laws don’t require anyone to put things into their body that they don’t wish to have. A vaccine mandate does. Take the vaccine or be ostracised is not a choice, it’s the illusion of one. " I don’t completely disagree Still not my question though | |||
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"Here's a question. If I have covid, is it against my freedoms to have to isolate? Should I be allowed to the cinema? At what point does my freedom end, and yours start ? " Your freedom should end at the point where you become a potential danger to others and if you and others continued with that freedom, you could cause unsustainable pressure on the health service - in this case, your front door. At the end of the day, would you want to be sitting in a cinema with someone who has a highly contagious illness? | |||
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"Here's a question. If I have covid, is it against my freedoms to have to isolate? Should I be allowed to the cinema? At what point does my freedom end, and yours start ? Your freedom should end at the point where you become a potential danger to others and if you and others continued with that freedom, you could cause unsustainable pressure on the health service - in this case, your front door. At the end of the day, would you want to be sitting in a cinema with someone who has a highly contagious illness?" I agree. But potential danger then news quantifying. (I accept there isn't anything conclusive to say non vaxx are more contagious. That's why I'm not pro mandates ATM. But I aks myself, what would I need to see to get comfortable) | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
No it doesn't, science is pretty fucking good these days. "Theres no poibt trying to explaing the benefits to antivaxxers. They have been told mainstream news is fake, actual science is fake and wear blinkers and only see 99.9% survival rate and not the bigger picture | |||
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"Here's a question. If I have covid, is it against my freedoms to have to isolate? Should I be allowed to the cinema? At what point does my freedom end, and yours start ? Your freedom should end at the point where you become a potential danger to others and if you and others continued with that freedom, you could cause unsustainable pressure on the health service - in this case, your front door. At the end of the day, would you want to be sitting in a cinema with someone who has a highly contagious illness?I agree. But potential danger then news quantifying. (I accept there isn't anything conclusive to say non vaxx are more contagious. That's why I'm not pro mandates ATM. But I aks myself, what would I need to see to get comfortable)" You know what the answer is already. You have already made your mind up. | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. Just out of interest, what would you do in the event if some kinda mandate? Obviously I don’t believe anyone should be forced to take a vaccine But we are seeing other countries slowly barring the unvaccinated out of society. Let’s say England brings in a law saying unvaccinated can’t attend any entertainment venues. Essential only for example. So no pub, no cinema, no parks or recreational sports, nothing. You can go to food shops only. What would you do? Still not take it? Genuinely wondering I seriously believe that’s how things are headed. I don’t think anyone will force you to take a vaccine you don’t want to, but I do believe the law and most of society will want to remove you from society as much as possible And doesn’t that concern you? If such laws could be implemented what’s to stop them being expanded to include other aspects of your life? It seems easy to say “ah just get jabbed and you’ll be ok.” But if we support these kind of decisions I feel it’ll take us down a dark road where the government can essentially make you do whatever or be faced with exclusion. So it might not concern you, but that’s only because it doesn’t negatively affect you, for now. Personally it doesn’t concern me because there’s enough science out there to suggest you should be vaccinated I’m not even fully vaccinated yet and I’d still support that move If you don’t wanna partake in something to make everyone safer, then don’t expect to be welcomed into society I think you’ve missed my point. If the government can enforce mandatory vaccinations by proxy then what else can/will they do? We’ve seen time again how the goalposts can be shifted. You’re prepared to support these kinds of decisions now but you can’t deny it’s an infringement on the freedom of choice. If this is possible then who knows what it could open the door to? I saw your point, I just don’t believe it It’s not an infringement of your freedom of Chou s to be barred from businesses. You don’t have a right to go in shops and entertainment venues, they are a privilege. And if you choose not to partake in something that makes every safer, you can lose that privilege. Is it your right to drive d*unk? Or smoke inside a cinema? Freedom of choice comes with choosing whether to have the vaccine or not. Just like the freedom of choice to Barr you from certain things if you don’t. Your free to live your life without the vaccine. You can get your food and goods delivered. You can go around your friends house or out for walks. Plus, my questions wasn’t anything to do with this stuff anyways. It’s what would he do if this kinda mandate come into place in the UK? Would he stand strong against the vaccine? For how long? What about 5 years down the line, would he still be refusing it? Comparing d*unk drivers to unvaccinated people has been done to death and is ludicrous to be honest. It relies on the notion that unvaccinated people are equally as dangerous as d*unk drivers which is laughable really. People go all over knowing full well unvaccinated people are free to roam in the same places as them but you still feel safe, why? Because they’re vaccinated. Yet, if d*unk driving was suddenly made legal you’d be terrified to get behind the wheel, you wouldn’t sit in your car and feel an element of safety just because you’re sober. But again, driving laws and smoking laws don’t require anyone to put things into their body that they don’t wish to have. A vaccine mandate does. Take the vaccine or be ostracised is not a choice, it’s the illusion of one. I don’t completely disagree Still not my question though " Oh I know, I was just asking if you had any concerns based on what might happen. | |||
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"Here's a question. If I have covid, is it against my freedoms to have to isolate? Should I be allowed to the cinema? At what point does my freedom end, and yours start ? Your freedom should end at the point where you become a potential danger to others and if you and others continued with that freedom, you could cause unsustainable pressure on the health service - in this case, your front door. At the end of the day, would you want to be sitting in a cinema with someone who has a highly contagious illness?I agree. But potential danger then news quantifying. (I accept there isn't anything conclusive to say non vaxx are more contagious. That's why I'm not pro mandates ATM. But I aks myself, what would I need to see to get comfortable)" There's loads to say that non-vaxxed transmit the virus more easily. The vaccine reduces the chance of transmission by 70% | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
No it doesn't, science is pretty fucking good these days.
Theres no poibt trying to explaing the benefits to antivaxxers. They have been told mainstream news is fake, actual science is fake and wear blinkers and only see 99.9% survival rate and not the bigger picture"96% survival rate. | |||
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"Here's a question. If I have covid, is it against my freedoms to have to isolate? Should I be allowed to the cinema? At what point does my freedom end, and yours start ? Your freedom should end at the point where you become a potential danger to others and if you and others continued with that freedom, you could cause unsustainable pressure on the health service - in this case, your front door. At the end of the day, would you want to be sitting in a cinema with someone who has a highly contagious illness?" No one wants to be near anyone with a highly contagious illness. However, vaccinated people can still transmit it. So even with mandates and passports, if you catch it, it could be from anyone. Given that over 80% of population over the age of 12 has been vaccinated it would be reasonable to suggest that if you go to the cinema this weekend and it’s full, only 20% of the people in there will be unvaccinated. Do they really present more of a danger than the other 80%? | |||
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"Here's a question. If I have covid, is it against my freedoms to have to isolate? Should I be allowed to the cinema? At what point does my freedom end, and yours start ? Your freedom should end at the point where you become a potential danger to others and if you and others continued with that freedom, you could cause unsustainable pressure on the health service - in this case, your front door. At the end of the day, would you want to be sitting in a cinema with someone who has a highly contagious illness?I agree. But potential danger then news quantifying. (I accept there isn't anything conclusive to say non vaxx are more contagious. That's why I'm not pro mandates ATM. But I aks myself, what would I need to see to get comfortable) There's loads to say that non-vaxxed transmit the virus more easily. The vaccine reduces the chance of transmission by 70%" can you post or send me sources here? I've not seen this yet | |||
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"Here's a question. If I have covid, is it against my freedoms to have to isolate? Should I be allowed to the cinema? At what point does my freedom end, and yours start ? Your freedom should end at the point where you become a potential danger to others and if you and others continued with that freedom, you could cause unsustainable pressure on the health service - in this case, your front door. At the end of the day, would you want to be sitting in a cinema with someone who has a highly contagious illness?I agree. But potential danger then news quantifying. (I accept there isn't anything conclusive to say non vaxx are more contagious. That's why I'm not pro mandates ATM. But I aks myself, what would I need to see to get comfortable) There's loads to say that non-vaxxed transmit the virus more easily. The vaccine reduces the chance of transmission by 70%can you post or send me sources here? I've not seen this yet "www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/ | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month..."Oh man, come on.... Vaccine is making you more resilient to the virus, if you get it you have more chances to fight it off quickly and without the need for care. That results in a lesser load on the nhs ...which may seem nothing to you but it's everything to everyone else ( ppl are dying of other conditions due to the lack of resources to care for them as well ). If you recover quickly you're going to be infectious for a smaller time span. Done o large scale even this adds up to a huge reduction in the virus spread... the fact that stops working after a while it's another reason to take advantage of it asap by having the vast majority vaccinated.... btw... japan was accustomed to the use of face mask during winter, the population is following directives so...anything that works there may not give the same results...elsewhere | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. Just out of interest, what would you do in the event if some kinda mandate? Obviously I don’t believe anyone should be forced to take a vaccine But we are seeing other countries slowly barring the unvaccinated out of society. Let’s say England brings in a law saying unvaccinated can’t attend any entertainment venues. Essential only for example. So no pub, no cinema, no parks or recreational sports, nothing. You can go to food shops only. What would you do? Still not take it? Genuinely wondering I seriously believe that’s how things are headed. I don’t think anyone will force you to take a vaccine you don’t want to, but I do believe the law and most of society will want to remove you from society as much as possible " If and when that happens, will the case rates drop dramatically since the unvaccinated will no longer be roamimng about spreading it? Like really. What would be the objective and how would you know it had been effectively achieved? | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. Just out of interest, what would you do in the event if some kinda mandate? Obviously I don’t believe anyone should be forced to take a vaccine But we are seeing other countries slowly barring the unvaccinated out of society. Let’s say England brings in a law saying unvaccinated can’t attend any entertainment venues. Essential only for example. So no pub, no cinema, no parks or recreational sports, nothing. You can go to food shops only. What would you do? Still not take it? Genuinely wondering I seriously believe that’s how things are headed. I don’t think anyone will force you to take a vaccine you don’t want to, but I do believe the law and most of society will want to remove you from society as much as possible If and when that happens, will the case rates drop dramatically since the unvaccinated will no longer be roamimng about spreading it? Like really. What would be the objective and how would you know it had been effectively achieved? " Good question. Generally before taking such a divisive set of measures there'd also be a public enquiry to prove it was actuly necessary and what the benefits would be and how they would be measured. If it was proven to be the answer to the problem then that's very different evidence based decision making. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
No it doesn't, science is pretty fucking good these days.
Theres no poibt trying to explaing the benefits to antivaxxers. They have been told mainstream news is fake, actual science is fake and wear blinkers and only see 99.9% survival rate and not the bigger picture"That's a very lazy and inaccurate and ironic characterisation. Not everyone who has not yet had a vaccine is anti vax. Not all the so called science or scientists is accurate or appropriate for all people. Not all the media stories are genuine news stories that are not informed by editorial , organisational or political agendas. I'm not antivax at all. Im very much anti bullying and anti shaming people due to this contagion of pluralistic ignorance that if someone who has antibodies from infection rather than a vaccine they should be excluded... If someone has no antibodies but whose behaviour is respectful and cautious they should be excluded, but someone who lives in a house with an infected person and has not tested but has had a jab... Well they should be "included" it's a logical fallacy. The argument/discussion on managing our way through this is considerably wider than if someone has had a jab or not. Where is the evidence that a stadium full of people who are jabbed, spread less infections than a few unvaccinated in the same situation? And before the response... But it does... Yes I'm aware of the lab rat biology.. My point is when you add in peoples behaviours, health and environments and out them into real world situations. ... What are the outcomes / evidence then.? | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
No it doesn't, science is pretty fucking good these days.
Theres no poibt trying to explaing the benefits to antivaxxers. They have been told mainstream news is fake, actual science is fake and wear blinkers and only see 99.9% survival rate and not the bigger picture
That's a very lazy and inaccurate and ironic characterisation. Not everyone who has not yet had a vaccine is anti vax. Not all the so called science or scientists is accurate or appropriate for all people. Not all the media stories are genuine news stories that are not informed by editorial , organisational or political agendas. I'm not antivax at all. Im very much anti bullying and anti shaming people due to this contagion of pluralistic ignorance that if someone who has antibodies from infection rather than a vaccine they should be excluded... If someone has no antibodies but whose behaviour is respectful and cautious they should be excluded, but someone who lives in a house with an infected person and has not tested but has had a jab... Well they should be "included" it's a logical fallacy. The argument/discussion on managing our way through this is considerably wider than if someone has had a jab or not. Where is the evidence that a stadium full of people who are jabbed, spread less infections than a few unvaccinated in the same situation? And before the response... But it does... Yes I'm aware of the lab rat biology.. My point is when you add in peoples behaviours, health and environments and out them into real world situations. ... What are the outcomes / evidence then.? "i really enjoy reading your replies in these forums, very level headed, unbiased and logical. If only the majority could think like you. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
To be fair it has probably taken the death element out of the equation for some lucky souls.
But I'm sure you can scrape up some data from the internet showing vaccines, over the years, have not helped the human race one jot.
Had 2 elderly patients recently, fully jabbed but admitted, quite poorly but eventually after a brief stay in hospital returned to their loving families.
Another Christmas with them looks on the cards.
No vaccine, probably meant their families organising a funeral not a Turkey dinner.
But hey, they're old probably going to die soon anyway, why bother.
Washing hands, wearing a mask, getting a vaccine, all a waste of time.
As long as I'm ok, that's the main thing.
Have a think about that family when you are with your family and friends this Christmas.
Good luck to you.
That brought a tear to my eye mate. Sadly my mum caught it Xmas lunch last year in her care home. Didn't have the chance of a jab because my local health care were running about 6 weeks behind the rest of the country. It tortured her slowly to death. I'm dreading Xmas this year. She was old but had plenty of miles left in the tank. Sadly some people seem to think there is an arbitrary age past which people don't deserve to receive care or live. Thankfully there are still many people who do care. We will all need it one day. "Very sorry to hear about your mum. I'm sure it was a very difficult time for both you and your family. My condolences. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
No it doesn't, science is pretty fucking good these days.
Theres no poibt trying to explaing the benefits to antivaxxers. They have been told mainstream news is fake, actual science is fake and wear blinkers and only see 99.9% survival rate and not the bigger picture
That's a very lazy and inaccurate and ironic characterisation. Not everyone who has not yet had a vaccine is anti vax. Not all the so called science or scientists is accurate or appropriate for all people. Not all the media stories are genuine news stories that are not informed by editorial , organisational or political agendas. I'm not antivax at all. Im very much anti bullying and anti shaming people due to this contagion of pluralistic ignorance that if someone who has antibodies from infection rather than a vaccine they should be excluded... If someone has no antibodies but whose behaviour is respectful and cautious they should be excluded, but someone who lives in a house with an infected person and has not tested but has had a jab... Well they should be "included" it's a logical fallacy. The argument/discussion on managing our way through this is considerably wider than if someone has had a jab or not. Where is the evidence that a stadium full of people who are jabbed, spread less infections than a few unvaccinated in the same situation? And before the response... But it does... Yes I'm aware of the lab rat biology.. My point is when you add in peoples behaviours, health and environments and out them into real world situations. ... What are the outcomes / evidence then.? "I take your point and agree it's complex (and I'm not a fan of mandates). But if you agree something needs to change then what? Vaccines are pretty effective, cheap, and measurable. Sure, there will be odd outcomes in some cases but sometimes perfection is the enemy of the good. Even natural immunity isn't guaranteed to happen after covid and is possibly not as powerful as the vaccines. | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. No one cares if you put your own health at risk - they care that your actions endanger their parents, grandparents and vulnerable family members. What part of that are you having difficulty understanding??? Not cool. He's not responsible for your parents / grandparents or mine. He's perfectly entitled to choose what he puts in his body, as are we all. There will, rightly, never be a mandate for this vaccine in England. How do you work that out? If someone refuses to take the vaccine and then infects someone else don’t you think they are in some measure responsible? So if they have had the jab and infect someone are they responsible for passing it on or do they get a pass because they have been jabbed?" Not if they took reasonable precautions. Which being jabbed would constitute to any reasonable person. I suspect the unvaxxed ( without compelling medical reasons to be such) are the folk laughing at those of us wearing face coverings and flouting all other restrictions. | |||
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"Japan suspended Moderna injections and pivoted to ivermectin 2-3 months ago. That’s why they now have a low case rate. Great news. Ivermectin, vit A, C and Zinc as an early treatment is definately proving viable. " Posting misinformation like this is irresponsible, dangerous, and is costing lifes  | |||
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"Japan suspended Moderna injections and pivoted to ivermectin 2-3 months ago. That’s why they now have a low case rate. Great news. Ivermectin, vit A, C and Zinc as an early treatment is definately proving viable. Posting misinformation like this is irresponsible, dangerous, and is costing lifes "Correct bang wrong on both accounts. | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. No one cares if you put your own health at risk - they care that your actions endanger their parents, grandparents and vulnerable family members. What part of that are you having difficulty understanding??? " As I've said This vaccine is voluntary I'm not taking it. There are plenty of ppl who've had the vaccine and still caught covid after it so are they not caring about other people's health either???... | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
No it doesn't, science is pretty fucking good these days.
Theres no poibt trying to explaing the benefits to antivaxxers. They have been told mainstream news is fake, actual science is fake and wear blinkers and only see 99.9% survival rate and not the bigger picture
That's a very lazy and inaccurate and ironic characterisation. Not everyone who has not yet had a vaccine is anti vax. Not all the so called science or scientists is accurate or appropriate for all people. Not all the media stories are genuine news stories that are not informed by editorial , organisational or political agendas. I'm not antivax at all. Im very much anti bullying and anti shaming people due to this contagion of pluralistic ignorance that if someone who has antibodies from infection rather than a vaccine they should be excluded... If someone has no antibodies but whose behaviour is respectful and cautious they should be excluded, but someone who lives in a house with an infected person and has not tested but has had a jab... Well they should be "included" it's a logical fallacy. The argument/discussion on managing our way through this is considerably wider than if someone has had a jab or not. Where is the evidence that a stadium full of people who are jabbed, spread less infections than a few unvaccinated in the same situation? And before the response... But it does... Yes I'm aware of the lab rat biology.. My point is when you add in peoples behaviours, health and environments and out them into real world situations. ... What are the outcomes / evidence then.? I take your point and agree it's complex (and I'm not a fan of mandates). But if you agree something needs to change then what? Vaccines are pretty effective, cheap, and measurable. Sure, there will be odd outcomes in some cases but sometimes perfection is the enemy of the good. Even natural immunity isn't guaranteed to happen after covid and is possibly not as powerful as the vaccines. "All vaccines do is prompt the bodies natural immunity so saying "natural immunity is not as powerful as the vaccine' is as wrong as you can be The point of the vaccine is that it is far less powerful than the virus itself, allowing the body to recover and build immunity far safer than by contracting the virus itself The only argument there would be for mandate's would be if there was proof that vaccinated people CANNOT pass the disease on. But that would be a lie. There is evidence that it reduces transmissibility, but not by much Whether you're vaccinated or not, you can still catch it and pass it on. And being vaccinated does not mean you pass on a 'weaker' version of the virus | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
No it doesn't, science is pretty fucking good these days.
Theres no poibt trying to explaing the benefits to antivaxxers. They have been told mainstream news is fake, actual science is fake and wear blinkers and only see 99.9% survival rate and not the bigger picture
That's a very lazy and inaccurate and ironic characterisation. Not everyone who has not yet had a vaccine is anti vax. Not all the so called science or scientists is accurate or appropriate for all people. Not all the media stories are genuine news stories that are not informed by editorial , organisational or political agendas. I'm not antivax at all. Im very much anti bullying and anti shaming people due to this contagion of pluralistic ignorance that if someone who has antibodies from infection rather than a vaccine they should be excluded... If someone has no antibodies but whose behaviour is respectful and cautious they should be excluded, but someone who lives in a house with an infected person and has not tested but has had a jab... Well they should be "included" it's a logical fallacy. The argument/discussion on managing our way through this is considerably wider than if someone has had a jab or not. Where is the evidence that a stadium full of people who are jabbed, spread less infections than a few unvaccinated in the same situation? And before the response... But it does... Yes I'm aware of the lab rat biology.. My point is when you add in peoples behaviours, health and environments and out them into real world situations. ... What are the outcomes / evidence then.? I take your point and agree it's complex (and I'm not a fan of mandates). But if you agree something needs to change then what? Vaccines are pretty effective, cheap, and measurable. Sure, there will be odd outcomes in some cases but sometimes perfection is the enemy of the good. Even natural immunity isn't guaranteed to happen after covid and is possibly not as powerful as the vaccines.
All vaccines do is prompt the bodies natural immunity so saying "natural immunity is not as powerful as the vaccine' is as wrong as you can be
The point of the vaccine is that it is far less powerful than the virus itself, allowing the body to recover and build immunity far safer than by contracting the virus itself
The only argument there would be for mandate's would be if there was proof that vaccinated people CANNOT pass the disease on. But that would be a lie. There is evidence that it reduces transmissibility, but not by much
Whether you're vaccinated or not, you can still catch it and pass it on. And being vaccinated does not mean you pass on a 'weaker' version of the virus
"From the ZOE studies Our latest analysis of data from the ZOE COVID Study shows that getting COVID before being fully vaccinated provides much more protection than natural immunity or vaccination alone. I'm not sure if it's a legit link but you can Google the quote | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Equating the necessity of boosters with it "doing nothing" is false logic. You also need boosters for Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Hep B, and many other diseases.
Since when? HepB you get bloodtest to see if antibodies, injections if not, then bloods retaken to check antibodies then no more jabs. Others you list never been offered boosters. Antibody testing is important yet ignored
Since when? Since always
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: 2 doses of the MMR vaccine provide the best protection against measles, mumps and rubella.
What hepatitis B immunisation involves
Full protection involves having 3 injections of the hepatitis B vaccine at the recommended intervals.
It's not "one and done".
"I had 3 injections to provide me with adequate protection and I have had subsequent booster injection for Hep B. I seem to loose its effectiveness with me. When I had my 3 doses I was told that I wasn't responding as strongly as others do. Just the way it is. If I need to boost again I will take it if offered. Why would I not protect myself and others. | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. No one cares if you put your own health at risk - they care that your actions endanger their parents, grandparents and vulnerable family members. What part of that are you having difficulty understanding??? Not cool. He's not responsible for your parents / grandparents or mine. He's perfectly entitled to choose what he puts in his body, as are we all. There will, rightly, never be a mandate for this vaccine in England. How do you work that out? If someone refuses to take the vaccine and then infects someone else don’t you think they are in some measure responsible? So if they have had the jab and infect someone are they responsible for passing it on or do they get a pass because they have been jabbed? Not if they took reasonable precautions. Which being jabbed would constitute to any reasonable person. I suspect the unvaxxed ( without compelling medical reasons to be such) are the folk laughing at those of us wearing face coverings and flouting all other restrictions. " Some quite significant and rather prejudiced assumptions you're making there. Unless of course you have some evidence beyond what you've typed to support it. In which case please share it. I mean as an example... I'm reasonable and I don't believe having a jab is wreck less nor do I believe it constitutes taking reasonable precautions. I believe it is having a jab, nothing more and nothing less. I believe the a persons behaviours towards others, and whether they go to work in a care home while infected (for an example) without testing and then hug their clients is not taking reasonable precautions... Even though they have been double jabbed. "Reasonable precautions" is a lot more nuanced than having or not having a jab that has ceased being sufficiently effective after 6 months. Now as to those, and there are a few who make light of the situation, ignore guidelines, face, space and hand washing etc... I agree, they are not helping. | |||
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"A glimmer of hope from Japan where it is thought the delta variant of the virus has effectively killed itself trying to mutate Most likely this has been die to vaccinated people catching the virus and retransmission with a less infectious mutation. Remember when you put spray killer the s appear to thrive before quickly dying out. Good news ? Let's hope so" Umm news from South Africa and Botswana- I beg to differ. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
No it doesn't, science is pretty fucking good these days.
Theres no poibt trying to explaing the benefits to antivaxxers. They have been told mainstream news is fake, actual science is fake and wear blinkers and only see 99.9% survival rate and not the bigger picture
That's a very lazy and inaccurate and ironic characterisation. Not everyone who has not yet had a vaccine is anti vax. Not all the so called science or scientists is accurate or appropriate for all people. Not all the media stories are genuine news stories that are not informed by editorial , organisational or political agendas. I'm not antivax at all. Im very much anti bullying and anti shaming people due to this contagion of pluralistic ignorance that if someone who has antibodies from infection rather than a vaccine they should be excluded... If someone has no antibodies but whose behaviour is respectful and cautious they should be excluded, but someone who lives in a house with an infected person and has not tested but has had a jab... Well they should be "included" it's a logical fallacy. The argument/discussion on managing our way through this is considerably wider than if someone has had a jab or not. Where is the evidence that a stadium full of people who are jabbed, spread less infections than a few unvaccinated in the same situation? And before the response... But it does... Yes I'm aware of the lab rat biology.. My point is when you add in peoples behaviours, health and environments and out them into real world situations. ... What are the outcomes / evidence then.?
i really enjoy reading your replies in these forums, very level headed, unbiased and logical. If only the majority could think like you.
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"A glimmer of hope from Japan where it is thought the delta variant of the virus has effectively killed itself trying to mutate Most likely this has been die to vaccinated people catching the virus and retransmission with a less infectious mutation. Remember when you put spray killer the s appear to thrive before quickly dying out. Good news ? Let's hope so" A variation appeared and fell by the wayside. That line will vanish leaving plenty others to evolve and mutate, so there will be dying off of the weak strains but by the same rule, strengthening of the successful variants. | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. No one cares if you put your own health at risk - they care that your actions endanger their parents, grandparents and vulnerable family members. What part of that are you having difficulty understanding??? As I've said This vaccine is voluntary I'm not taking it. There are plenty of ppl who've had the vaccine and still caught covid after it so are they not caring about other people's health either???... " What a silly point to make  | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. No one cares if you put your own health at risk - they care that your actions endanger their parents, grandparents and vulnerable family members. What part of that are you having difficulty understanding??? As I've said This vaccine is voluntary I'm not taking it. There are plenty of ppl who've had the vaccine and still caught covid after it so are they not caring about other people's health either???... What a silly point to make "Don't Worry- just like with weak mutations - Darwins Theory will prevail and remove faulty Genes from the pool! Those that just don't get the fact that the vaccine won't stop you catching it or passing it on, but if you do, the outcome will be better and higher chance of living to tell. Evolution will also remove stubbornness over time too, so let them believe what they like as I give up with them. Our local hospital has delivered many babies prematurely so the the mother can be taken to ICU with COVID, 50% of these mothers are dying, 100% of them were not vaccinated. | |||
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"A glimmer of hope from Japan where it is thought the delta variant of the virus has effectively killed itself trying to mutate Most likely this has been die to vaccinated people catching the virus and retransmission with a less infectious mutation. Remember when you put spray killer the s appear to thrive before quickly dying out. Good news ? Let's hope so" Hello Nu Variant! | |||
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"A glimmer of hope from Japan where it is thought the delta variant of the virus has effectively killed itself trying to mutate Most likely this has been die to vaccinated people catching the virus and retransmission with a less infectious mutation. Remember when you put spray killer the s appear to thrive before quickly dying out. Good news ? Let's hope so Hello Nu Variant!" Which we know nothing about, it could be as benign as a common cold, we should know next week | |||
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"A glimmer of hope from Japan where it is thought the delta variant of the virus has effectively killed itself trying to mutate Most likely this has been die to vaccinated people catching the virus and retransmission with a less infectious mutation. They have a healthier diet and are less constipated than the rest of the world. Remember when you put spray killer the s appear to thrive before quickly dying out. Good news ? Let's hope so" | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
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"The WHO are currently tracking 13 different strains of covid-19, the flu jab we get each year is normally made up of 3 flu variants from around the world, if international travel was stopped completely then yes we would have a better chance of massively reducing it..." Couldn't agree more with this post as I've just said in my post. I can't believe the vehemence of the anti brigade. Usually backed up by false news propagated by the likes of faceache? The benefit of the vaccine is hopefully to reduce the symptons if you do catch it? I was dubious about it at first, as it was so new. But the prospect of actually being able to get out of isolation for the first time in ages. I've been lucky and not had the slightest side effects apart from a couple of really good nights sleep. I've heard of some younger people being quite rough, but this seems to be a reaction to them actually being healthier than me? | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
"Actually work on the vaccine was started after the last ebola outbreak as covid, sars and ebola are very similar so it's been years in the making! | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
Actually work on the vaccine was started after the last ebola outbreak as covid, sars and ebola are very similar so it's been years in the making!"Further, the issue with how quickly a vaccine can be developed is much more to do with finance and resources. Covid prompted huge and unprecedented levels of investment, massive resource allocation and incredible levels of cooperation all focused on one single disease. That is how to get results quicker than previously had been the case. Its logical really. Of course the governments of the world might have got together and conspired to put out a fiction about a killer disease, and may have an as yet undisclosed agenda to make us all have poisonous vaccines. Its not very likely though is it? | |||
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"I just think they should start naming variants after Decepticons instead. They are halway there with Omicron Hopefully the next one is Starscream" Yeh, I am sure they make this crap up to wind us up and self destruct of our own economy. Probably a way to smoke screen to hide the Brexit damage, let's ask China to invent us a virus or worse, there was never a virus from the outset and its all bullshit from the outset. A global conspiracy, hmm, I wonder if Climate Change is all lies too.. | |||
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"Unfortunately over optimistic Look at South Africa variant!!!! " Why again | |||
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"I just think they should start naming variants after Decepticons instead. They are halway there with Omicron Hopefully the next one is Starscream" I'm so glad it wasn't just me who thought that lol | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Equating the necessity of boosters with it "doing nothing" is false logic. You also need boosters for Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Hep B, and many other diseases.
Since when? HepB you get bloodtest to see if antibodies, injections if not, then bloods retaken to check antibodies then no more jabs. Others you list never been offered boosters. Antibody testing is important yet ignored
Since when? Since always
NHS INFO
: 2 doses of the MMR vaccine provide the best protection against measles, mumps and rubella.
What hepatitis B immunisation involves
Full protection involves having 3 injections of the hepatitis B vaccine at the recommended intervals.
It's not "one and done".
"The MMR second shot is to catch the people who didn't get antibodies after the first shot. It's just easier to re-jab everyone than to antibody test. The mumps part of the vaccine isn't that great and only 60 something % gain immunity first time round. Mumps isn't common, and is mild in young children, so it's safe enough to wait a few years for the booster. (the measles and rubella parts are very effective first time round so most people have immunity from one shot only) | |||
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"Unfortunately over optimistic Look at South Africa variant!!!! Why again " Wear your mask. Can't people stopped wearing them on transport and shops. Stop behind selfish wear mask this hasn't gone | |||
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"The abuse because I said I wasn't taking a vaccine that's never been tried and tested.. Long term effects I mean. This is MY choice If you want to take it carry on, If you don't then don't take it Everyone has their reasons for doing what they are doing. No one cares if you put your own health at risk - they care that your actions endanger their parents, grandparents and vulnerable family members. What part of that are you having difficulty understanding??? Not cool. He's not responsible for your parents / grandparents or mine. He's perfectly entitled to choose what he puts in his body, as are we all. There will, rightly, never be a mandate for this vaccine in England." I disagree. I think we all have a responsibility to do our bit to protect each other. The idea that individual choice only affects the person making the choice is ridiculous in this context. Unvaccinated people are having a huge effect on everybody in many different ways. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Equating the necessity of boosters with it "doing nothing" is false logic. You also need boosters for Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Hep B, and many other diseases.
Since when? HepB you get bloodtest to see if antibodies, injections if not, then bloods retaken to check antibodies then no more jabs. Others you list never been offered boosters. Antibody testing is important yet ignored
Since when? Since always
NHS INFO
: 2 doses of the MMR vaccine provide the best protection against measles, mumps and rubella.
What hepatitis B immunisation involves
Full protection involves having 3 injections of the hepatitis B vaccine at the recommended intervals.
It's not "one and done".
The MMR second shot is to catch the people who didn't get antibodies after the first shot. It's just easier to re-jab everyone than to antibody test. The mumps part of the vaccine isn't that great and only 60 something % gain immunity first time round. Mumps isn't common, and is mild in young children, so it's safe enough to wait a few years for the booster. (the measles and rubella parts are very effective first time round so most people have immunity from one shot only)"But mumps is not necessarily mild in unvaccinated teenage boys, who can experience testicular swelling and potentially, infertility. Deafness is also a potential consequence of mumps infection. Hence why we go for the booster dose of MMR across the board. The objective of the booster MMR is no different to the objective of the booster COVID vaccine - to maximise immunity at the point where it might be waning. The longevity of antibodies from different antigens is variable, hence why some vaccines we need to have repeatedly over our lives, whilst others we don't. Things also depend on antigenic variability (which is the reason we have a different flu vaccine every year). | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
Actually work on the vaccine was started after the last ebola outbreak as covid, sars and ebola are very similar so it's been years in the making!"It was developed in the 1980s and tweaked for Covid 19 | |||
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"Have a look at what Dr Robert Malone has to say. He invented mRNA Vaccines and DNA Vaccines. He is beig labelled anti vax. If Shell Oil said dont use our Oil in your car because your car might have a bad reaction that could make your engine kaput. Would you still put it in your car??" He didn't invent them | |||
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"Have a look at what Dr Robert Malone has to say. He invented mRNA Vaccines and DNA Vaccines. He is beig labelled anti vax. If Shell Oil said dont use our Oil in your car because your car might have a bad reaction that could make your engine kaput. Would you still put it in your car??" what specifically are his points of concern? (Also, to say one person is the inventor of mRNA is a stretch. It's taken collaboration of which he may have been a very early pioneer. He's not Shell) | |||
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"Have a look at what Dr Robert Malone has to say. He invented mRNA Vaccines and DNA Vaccines. He is beig labelled anti vax. If Shell Oil said dont use our Oil in your car because your car might have a bad reaction that could make your engine kaput. Would you still put it in your car??" Try this article online, in "The Atlantic" The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation Robert Malone claims to have invented mRNA technology. Why is he trying so hard to undermine its use? By Tom Bartlett | |||
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"Stop waffling.... Wear a mask get vaccinated "
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"Have a look at what Dr Robert Malone has to say. He invented mRNA Vaccines and DNA Vaccines. He is beig labelled anti vax. If Shell Oil said dont use our Oil in your car because your car might have a bad reaction that could make your engine kaput. Would you still put it in your car?? Try this article online, in "The Atlantic" The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation Robert Malone claims to have invented mRNA technology. Why is he trying so hard to undermine its use? By Tom Bartlett" He didn't invent mRNA technology in the past he was a researcher on a project involving it. Why is trying hard to undermine it? Not for me to say but it could have something to do with him promoting his own unproven wonder cures. | |||
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"Ok, whatever Robert Malone did or didnt do, we have to agree that him and many more health proffessionals around the world are being hushed and shut up. Removed from fbook, the gram, twitter and even a certain one begining with T is also very strict on what is 'Allowed' to be spoke about. Shouldnt we be able to hear both sides and let everyone talk and come to a conclusion together rather than just going with 'we are right.. everything else is anti vax' Sports people are starting to drop all over the place. Myocarditis has gone up 400% in Fifa. 108 Registered FIFA players / coaches have died in the past 6 months." It hasn't. There has no increase at all its just reported more. Also footballers are much less likely to vaccinated than the general population so I presume you are arguing that footballers are getting myocardiatis from covid and should get vaccinated ASAP. | |||
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"Wear a mask stopping being selfish its a small thing to do to save a life. That could be someones nan or mum you infect and potential just cos you wont wear a mask " How about people who are medically exempt from wearing a £1.00 paper mask from Tesco's ? | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
mate you'll never win here no point posting just loads of brainwashed sheep "So the logic you are applying here seems to be that there is a (small) risk of becoming (mildly) ill by having a vaccine so you won’t have it; against a risk of becoming seriously ill by not having it. I don’t think that the people who have had the vaccine are sheep. I’m certainly not. Whilst I knew there was a small risk that the vaccine could be harmful to me, I weighed that up against the massive harm posed by actually catching the disease if unvaccinated. The world isn’t perfect. We make our choices based on the evidence before us. The glaring, incontrovertible evidence is that this is a lethal pandemic which is already causing massive harm to society and in danger of overrunning our health system. The more people who take the vaccination means - no n the basis of current evidence - less harm to society and frees up our health service to treat other diseases and ailments. It really is that simple. | |||
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"Vaccines stopped it?? The same vaccine you need a booster every 6 month lol Not be putting any daft vaccine near me!!!
“Daft Vaccine” Ao what is daft about it?
That it doesn't stop you catching it... Spreading it... What's the actual point of it if it does nothing.. Plus you need a booster every 6 month...
Hmm does nothing... except reduce the chances of catching it by two thirds, reduces the chance of passing it on of you do catch it, drastically reduces the chances of being hospitalised or dying.
Feel free to live in your bubble of denial.
Denial??
Because I'm not taking a vaccine that was made within 12 month of this COVID appearing??... It takes years to come up with vaccines not 12 month lol
mate you'll never win here no point posting just loads of brainwashed sheep
So the logic you are applying here seems to be that there is a (small) risk of becoming (mildly) ill by having a vaccine so you won’t have it; against a risk of becoming seriously ill by not having it.
I don’t think that the people who have had the vaccine are sheep. I’m certainly not. Whilst I knew there was a small risk that the vaccine could be harmful to me, I weighed that up against the massive harm posed by actually catching the disease if unvaccinated.
The world isn’t perfect. We make our choices based on the evidence before us. The glaring, incontrovertible evidence is that this is a lethal pandemic which is already causing massive harm to society and in danger of overrunning our health system. The more people who take the vaccination means - no n the basis of current evidence - less harm to society and frees up our health service to treat other diseases and ailments.
It really is that simple.
"You must stop applying common sense. It gives people headaches for which there is no vaccine or cure. | |||
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"Nothing to do with vaccination. Viruses work on a protein based level of stability, every time they mutate they become a little more unstable, significant mutation makes it so unstable that it can no longer work as a virus as some element of it is no longer working, this could be method of transmission, half life, ability to survive out of the host body, ability to replicate or many many other factors. Ultimately in it's efforts to change/mutate and adapt it kills itself. " So why that happen for flu? Or other viruses?  | |||
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"Wear a mask stopping being selfish its a small thing to do to save a life. That could be someones nan or mum you infect and potential just cos you wont wear a mask How about people who are medically exempt from wearing a £1.00 paper mask from Tesco's ?" I've never met ANYONE who is medically exempt from wearing any form of face coverings I regularly meet people who think they are "entitled" not to wear one I regularly see people with obvious breathing difficulties ALL wearing face coverings Go figure | |||
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Apparently a new strain... This mean the jabs and boosters ppl have took are now worthless??
Just asking as I don't watch /listen to the media so wondering opinions on here | |||
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"Guess who's back Covids back
Apparently a new strain... This mean the jabs and boosters ppl have took are now worthless??
Just asking as I don't watch /listen to the media so wondering opinions on here "So you get your information on current affairs and the world view from a swingers site? And you expect folk to debate the pros and cons of vaccinations with you ? | |||
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"Guess who's back Covids back
Apparently a new strain... This mean the jabs and boosters ppl have took are now worthless??
Just asking as I don't watch /listen to the media so wondering opinions on here
So you get your information on current affairs and the world view from a swingers site?
And you expect folk to debate the pros and cons of vaccinations with you ?
"Only asked peoples opinion on it
And the way this govt is tackling it its prob better listening to people from here than Boris n sturgeon talking shite | |||
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"If a face covering was enough to restrict breathing for a person, then they would be incapable of walking without collapsing. " And surgeons, vets, pharmaceutical workers and multitudes of other employment groups would also be dying in spades. But they're not/haven't been for the eons they've been wearing surgical masks, respirators etc. | |||
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"Day 666 of we have 2 weeks to flatten the curve.. Adam" It's like no-one knew what to expect from a novel pathogen. Who knew?! | |||
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"Guess who's back Covids back
Apparently a new strain... This mean the jabs and boosters ppl have took are now worthless??
Just asking as I don't watch /listen to the media so wondering opinions on here "It's really bad. Probably best to stay indoors for the foreseeable future. | |||
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"Here's a question. If I have covid, is it against my freedoms to have to isolate? Should I be allowed to the cinema? At what point does my freedom end, and yours start ? If you knowingly have anything that’s contagious you should obviously avoid spreading it. Limiting your freedom when you’re unwell is only temporary. Limiting your freedom when you’re unvaccinated is permanent until you decide to comply and therefore highlights that the “choice” is just an illusion of one. Thankfully we aren’t at this stage and hopefully never will be. " | |||
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