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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?  "
If it was asymptomatic for everyone, then a case could be made. Unfortunately it isn't, which makes it more dangerous, because those without symptoma are more likely to spread it. |
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
If it was asymptomatic for everyone, then a case could be made. Unfortunately it isn't, which makes it more dangerous, because those without symptoma are more likely to spread it."
So is it that a vaccinated population have created a Covid that can travel about us to find the unvaccinated leaving the vaccinated with symptoms they don't even know about ? ?
And can I ask how was it found? |
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
If it was asymptomatic for everyone, then a case could be made. Unfortunately it isn't, which makes it more dangerous, because those without symptoma are more likely to spread it."
Or another way to look at it is:
The virus has weakened (like the scientists have said would happen)
and we will soon be out of this mayhem |
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
If it was asymptomatic for everyone, then a case could be made. Unfortunately it isn't, which makes it more dangerous, because those without symptoma are more likely to spread it.
Or another way to look at it is:
The virus has weakened (like the scientists have said would happen)
and we will soon be out of this mayhem "
It's a nice idea but just because a new strain exists, it doesn't mean that the other strains have vanished. The Virus doesn't change from one thing to another, new strains are additional.
Cal |
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
Surely if it was symptomless it would not have been detected 
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people test as a matter of course. Not just when feeling symptons.
To address original question, my reading of the below quite is more symptomless the more the vaccine is needed not less
“It is asymptomatic transmission that really can make the difference between what’s relatively easily containable and what needs vaccination.” |
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over a year ago
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
Surely if it was symptomless it would not have been detected
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Nope… because hospitals can randomly send samples to places like porton down.. and they can tell which strains of the virus are more prevalent
So if example if the Brazilian or South African strains were coming back
It also helps with planning because if a more infectious or lethal strain came along they could put for example hospitals and the nhs on standby |
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Very misleading article. There isn’t a symptomless variant. This new variant just has a slightly higher number of people that don’t get symptoms. The majority, 67% still get symptoms |
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"Very misleading article. There isn’t a symptomless variant. This new variant just has a slightly higher number of people that don’t get symptoms. The majority, 67% still get symptoms"
The Media spreading misleading infotainment? ... Who ever heard of such a thing! |
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"The study has been released as a pre-print that has not been through peer review and is not published in a journal."
Following peer review and publishing in a journal…. Is that then indisputable fact? |
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
If it was asymptomatic for everyone, then a case could be made. Unfortunately it isn't, which makes it more dangerous, because those without symptoma are more likely to spread it.
Or another way to look at it is:
The virus has weakened (like the scientists have said would happen)
and we will soon be out of this mayhem
It's a nice idea but just because a new strain exists, it doesn't mean that the other strains have vanished. The Virus doesn't change from one thing to another, new strains are additional.
Cal"
Where do they come from then? |
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"The study has been released as a pre-print that has not been through peer review and is not published in a journal.
Following peer review and publishing in a journal…. Is that then indisputable fact? "
It's well known that scientists are always correct and all agree with eachother. |
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
If it was asymptomatic for everyone, then a case could be made. Unfortunately it isn't, which makes it more dangerous, because those without symptoma are more likely to spread it.
Or another way to look at it is:
The virus has weakened (like the scientists have said would happen)
and we will soon be out of this mayhem
It's a nice idea but just because a new strain exists, it doesn't mean that the other strains have vanished. The Virus doesn't change from one thing to another, new strains are additional.
Cal
Where do they come from then? "
Its a mutation. Not all the virus mutates at same time. If the mutation is beneficial the virus reproduces and we get a new variant. |
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
Surely if it was symptomless it would not have been detected
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People test positive without symptoms when they do lateral flow tests all the time. The PCR then confirms it. Analysis determines a new variant |
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
If it was asymptomatic for everyone, then a case could be made. Unfortunately it isn't, which makes it more dangerous, because those without symptoma are more likely to spread it.
Or another way to look at it is:
The virus has weakened (like the scientists have said would happen)
and we will soon be out of this mayhem
It's a nice idea but just because a new strain exists, it doesn't mean that the other strains have vanished. The Virus doesn't change from one thing to another, new strains are additional.
Cal
Where do they come from then? "
A mummy virus and a daddy virus, when they love eachother very much... |
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
If it was asymptomatic for everyone, then a case could be made. Unfortunately it isn't, which makes it more dangerous, because those without symptoma are more likely to spread it.
Or another way to look at it is:
The virus has weakened (like the scientists have said would happen)
and we will soon be out of this mayhem
It's a nice idea but just because a new strain exists, it doesn't mean that the other strains have vanished. The Virus doesn't change from one thing to another, new strains are additional.
Cal
Where do they come from then? "
The virus replicates in each infected person and may mutate each time. Most mutations are useless and don't continue. If several beneficial mutations occur and persist, being better able to reproduce, for example, its prevalence among the infected population can increase.
The variants that have caused the world problems have typically come from countries with very high levels of infection - the UK, Brazil, India etc. This is the justification for reducing infection levels as much as possible, as it gives fewer opportunities for new variants to be made and to be circulated amongst us, including getting passed into other countries.
The Delta variant is the global dominant variant at present. If we can postpone the emergence of another variant that poses greater levels of threat to us, it will be a smart move. |
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
If it was asymptomatic for everyone, then a case could be made. Unfortunately it isn't, which makes it more dangerous, because those without symptoma are more likely to spread it.
Or another way to look at it is:
The virus has weakened (like the scientists have said would happen)
and we will soon be out of this mayhem
It's a nice idea but just because a new strain exists, it doesn't mean that the other strains have vanished. The Virus doesn't change from one thing to another, new strains are additional.
Cal
Where do they come from then?
The virus replicates in each infected person and may mutate each time. Most mutations are useless and don't continue. If several beneficial mutations occur and persist, being better able to reproduce, for example, its prevalence among the infected population can increase.
The variants that have caused the world problems have typically come from countries with very high levels of infection - the UK, Brazil, India etc. This is the justification for reducing infection levels as much as possible, as it gives fewer opportunities for new variants to be made and to be circulated amongst us, including getting passed into other countries.
The Delta variant is the global dominant variant at present. If we can postpone the emergence of another variant that poses greater levels of threat to us, it will be a smart move. "
Delta is in 99.5% of samples at the moment. It seems like the virus is starting to hit a dead end in its evolution. The new delta version is less deadly, but more contagious, which is good for both us and the virus.
I’m not saying a more dangerous version won’t ever appear, but it seems at the moment that it’s spewed out a bunch of mutations and now running out of steam and settling on its “optimal” form. |
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
Speedy recovery
Wish I had caught that instead of what I have now. This is not nice."
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
If it was asymptomatic for everyone, then a case could be made. Unfortunately it isn't, which makes it more dangerous, because those without symptoma are more likely to spread it.
Or another way to look at it is:
The virus has weakened (like the scientists have said would happen)
and we will soon be out of this mayhem
It's a nice idea but just because a new strain exists, it doesn't mean that the other strains have vanished. The Virus doesn't change from one thing to another, new strains are additional.
Cal
Where do they come from then?
The virus replicates in each infected person and may mutate each time. Most mutations are useless and don't continue. If several beneficial mutations occur and persist, being better able to reproduce, for example, its prevalence among the infected population can increase.
The variants that have caused the world problems have typically come from countries with very high levels of infection - the UK, Brazil, India etc. This is the justification for reducing infection levels as much as possible, as it gives fewer opportunities for new variants to be made and to be circulated amongst us, including getting passed into other countries.
The Delta variant is the global dominant variant at present. If we can postpone the emergence of another variant that poses greater levels of threat to us, it will be a smart move.
Delta is in 99.5% of samples at the moment. It seems like the virus is starting to hit a dead end in its evolution. The new delta version is less deadly, but more contagious, which is good for both us and the virus.
I’m not saying a more dangerous version won’t ever appear, but it seems at the moment that it’s spewed out a bunch of mutations and now running out of steam and settling on its “optimal” form."
If only it were so simple |
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Getting to symptomless isn't the end goal. It will almost certainly lead to further strains, because the number one thing the assist with getting a virus to develop a new strain is having a shit load of people in which to play about and see what works best. So let's say we all get the symptomless one and don't care because its symptomless...well, soon we will all get it, and then with such a huge population it will move on, and we'll be shafted. |
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"https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-plus-symptomless-variant-driving-22198497
No more need for vaccines then?
If it was asymptomatic for everyone, then a case could be made. Unfortunately it isn't, which makes it more dangerous, because those without symptoma are more likely to spread it.
Or another way to look at it is:
The virus has weakened (like the scientists have said would happen)
and we will soon be out of this mayhem
It's a nice idea but just because a new strain exists, it doesn't mean that the other strains have vanished. The Virus doesn't change from one thing to another, new strains are additional.
Cal
Where do they come from then?
The virus replicates in each infected person and may mutate each time. Most mutations are useless and don't continue. If several beneficial mutations occur and persist, being better able to reproduce, for example, its prevalence among the infected population can increase.
The variants that have caused the world problems have typically come from countries with very high levels of infection - the UK, Brazil, India etc. This is the justification for reducing infection levels as much as possible, as it gives fewer opportunities for new variants to be made and to be circulated amongst us, including getting passed into other countries.
The Delta variant is the global dominant variant at present. If we can postpone the emergence of another variant that poses greater levels of threat to us, it will be a smart move. "
Is it possible to do anything about the animal reservoirs though?
Also on another note, is it the case that most mutations tend to appear in the spike protein or are they also occurring in other parts of the virus eg nucleocapsid protein? |
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"Shouldn't they just inject the symptomless variant into everyone"
No because
1. There isn’t a symptomless variant
2. You don’t want a live virus injected into your blood stream |
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"2. You don’t want a live virus injected into your blood stream
Why not, it's still the best protection you can get, and I'm healthy even delta probably wouldn't even give me a sniffle."
I found this in the bmj today its from August but it's useful as a reminder of how big a part age plays...
"The risk of dying from covid doubles roughly every seven years older a patient is. The 35-year difference between a 45-year-old and a 80-year-old means the risk of death between the two patients has doubled five times—equivalently it has increased by a factor of 32. An unvaccinated 70-year-old might be 32 times more likely to die of covid than an unvaccinated 35-year-old. This dramatic variation of the risk profile with age means that even excellent vaccines don’t reduce the risk of death for older people to below the risk for some younger demographics"
Here's also a link to the full article..
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/25/significant-proportions-of-people-admitted-to-hospital-or-dying-from-covid-19-in-england-are-vaccinated-this-doesnt-mean-the-vaccines-dont-work/ |
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