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over a year ago
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"Couple of facts too, Austrias vaccinated population is not "low" and its ICU is 20% filled with covid patients, 80% others (reuters). "
Which article? As iv just seennreuters describe it as "one of the lowest for Western Europea"
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/austrian-covid-19-cases-keep-rising-provinces-prepare-full-lockdown-2021-11-18/
Plus 80/20 sounds expected is now full... Suggests normally ICU is 80pc capacity which feels a sensible place for having spare capacity versus not wasting money on space. |
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"Couple of facts too, Austrias vaccinated population is not "low" and its ICU is 20% filled with covid patients, 80% others (reuters).
Which article? As iv just seennreuters describe it as "one of the lowest for Western Europea"
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/austrian-covid-19-cases-keep-rising-provinces-prepare-full-lockdown-2021-11-18/
Plus 80/20 sounds expected is now full... Suggests normally ICU is 80pc capacity which feels a sensible place for having spare capacity versus not wasting money on space. "
Yes but the lowest in Western Europe is still more than America! And why "Western europe", just compare Austria to all the countries on its own border and it's not bad. As ever, the goalposts have shifted to a percentage of the entire population despite a large proportion of the population getting no individual net benefit from it. |
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"Couple of facts too, Austrias vaccinated population is not "low" and its ICU is 20% filled with covid patients, 80% others (reuters).
Which article? As iv just seennreuters describe it as "one of the lowest for Western Europea"
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/austrian-covid-19-cases-keep-rising-provinces-prepare-full-lockdown-2021-11-18/
Plus 80/20 sounds expected is now full... Suggests normally ICU is 80pc capacity which feels a sensible place for having spare capacity versus not wasting money on space.
Yes but the lowest in Western Europe is still more than America! And why "Western europe", just compare Austria to all the countries on its own border and it's not bad. As ever, the goalposts have shifted to a percentage of the entire population despite a large proportion of the population getting no individual net benefit from it. "
I agree there is nuance in the risk. If all of your older population is vaccinated and the 40pc is from teh younger you have a very different situation than if the 40pc is from the older. No idea what Austria looks like.
But goalposts will change as the data changes. That has to be accepted, what is needed is a clearly defined idea of what the aspiration is. Eg what are we trying maximise, what minimise and what are acceptable trade offs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some areas have particularly low vaccinatoon levels, so this is targeted, as has been discussed in the several other threads
Like Gibraltar  "
Gibraltar's deaths are still really low versus the spike. Not sure about hospitalisations. I'm a little at a loss why they ate now in teh firing line. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? |
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good?"
based on my behaviours .... It's because we are testing less. Hospitalisations look fairly stable. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good?based on my behaviours .... It's because we are testing less. Hospitalisations look fairly stable. "
That's a fair point, I do think there are a few who have become complacent. I still am not sure why or how being vaccinated should exempt somebody from testing or self isolation |
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good?"
Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks "
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
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Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news |
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I havnt seen any official site stating mandatory vaccination for all Austrian citizens. I think this would be a step too far for any government to consider. If a government is considering this course of action, they would also have to wargame the possible consequences of any attempt to forcibly vaccinate a population, without their consent. |
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news"
In my day , 65 and 68 were lower than 69  |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news"
And you’ve just proven my point.
Austria & Germany have lower vaccine rates than us (U.K.)
They also have less uptake on the booster jab. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news
In my day , 65 and 68 were lower than 69 "
It's like dunning kruger in real time, if there was a palm to face emoji then I'd use it but I'll have to settle for a |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news
And you’ve just proven my point.
Austria & Germany have lower vaccine rates than us (U.K.)
They also have less uptake on the booster jab. "
Oh gosh there's two of you |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news
In my day , 65 and 68 were lower than 69
It's like dunning kruger in real time, if there was a palm to face emoji then I'd use it but I'll have to settle for a "
can you explain what I'm missing here? Is it that 68 isn't really that much different to 69?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news
In my day , 65 and 68 were lower than 69
It's like dunning kruger in real time, if there was a palm to face emoji then I'd use it but I'll have to settle for a can you explain what I'm missing here? Is it that 68 isn't really that much different to 69?
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Winner winner chicken dinner. As if that gap is the difference between lockdowns and what we have. Not to mention Italy being higher. Lockdowns are a political choice, always have been, always will be. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news
In my day , 65 and 68 were lower than 69
It's like dunning kruger in real time, if there was a palm to face emoji then I'd use it but I'll have to settle for a can you explain what I'm missing here? Is it that 68 isn't really that much different to 69?
Winner winner chicken dinner. As if that gap is the difference between lockdowns and what we have. Not to mention Italy being higher. Lockdowns are a political choice, always have been, always will be. "
agreed, adding in a degree of social morality (how much loss is worth a life) and economic (which I guess is policical in a way).
But 68 is less than 69  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news
In my day , 65 and 68 were lower than 69
It's like dunning kruger in real time, if there was a palm to face emoji then I'd use it but I'll have to settle for a can you explain what I'm missing here? Is it that 68 isn't really that much different to 69?
Winner winner chicken dinner. As if that gap is the difference between lockdowns and what we have. Not to mention Italy being higher. Lockdowns are a political choice, always have been, always will be. agreed, adding in a degree of social morality (how much loss is worth a life) and economic (which I guess is policical in a way).
But 68 is less than 69 "
But 68 is still something like 93% of the adult population and children don't need it anyway |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Couple of facts too, Austrias vaccinated population is not "low" and its ICU is 20% filled with covid patients, 80% others (reuters). "
Again only partially telling the story
Unvaccinated people have been in lockdown for the last week….
From Monday the entire country goes into lockdown for 10 days
After that for vaccinated people things go back to normal, for unvaccinated people they will still be in lockdown status…. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news"
Actually that uk 69% figure is misleading because that is of all eligible people… which now includes those aged 11-18, which it didn’t before because of the restrictions that group had been under before
If you are talking about those aged 18+ , it is much closer to 80-85% of all eligible people |
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news
In my day , 65 and 68 were lower than 69
It's like dunning kruger in real time, if there was a palm to face emoji then I'd use it but I'll have to settle for a "
I was just being pedantic and was interested to see your response after seeing your posts in other threads. You didn’t let me down in your reply in that supposed intellectual bullying is being used in a response. A real legend in their own mind. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news
In my day , 65 and 68 were lower than 69
It's like dunning kruger in real time, if there was a palm to face emoji then I'd use it but I'll have to settle for a
I was just being pedantic and was interested to see your response after seeing your posts in other threads. You didn’t let me down in your reply in that supposed intellectual bullying is being used in a response. A real legend in their own mind. "
Logic = intellectual bullying. OK. |
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news
Actually that uk 69% figure is misleading because that is of all eligible people… which now includes those aged 11-18, which it didn’t before because of the restrictions that group had been under before
If you are talking about those aged 18+ , it is much closer to 80-85% of all eligible people "
And if you're talking people that should be vaccinated it's like 95%. Good we can agree on some things. |
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news
Actually that uk 69% figure is misleading because that is of all eligible people… which now includes those aged 11-18, which it didn’t before because of the restrictions that group had been under before
If you are talking about those aged 18+ , it is much closer to 80-85% of all eligible people
And if you're talking people that should be vaccinated it's like 95%. Good we can agree on some things. "
wonder what the Austria/Germany/Italy numbers are for these.... |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news
And you’ve just proven my point.
Austria & Germany have lower vaccine rates than us (U.K.)
They also have less uptake on the booster jab.
Oh gosh there's two of you "
Vaccination doses administered per 100 population:
UK =160.99
Germany =137.85
Austria =137.35
It's pretty obvious why countries like Austria & Germany had had to resort to tighter restrictions. |
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"Just heard on the radio that Austria is going back into full lockdown. It also is the first country to introduce mandatory vaccine for all citizens, I really find this quite sinister.
In other news COVID rates are falling in all areas of the UK, except for NI. Does this look like Boris gamble on reopening is starting to come good? Very Tyrannical in Austria , Boris was right to go with opening fully up and no masks
It’s not so much about Boris’ opening, but more to do with the percentage of vaccine uptake in each country.
Most of the European countries that are currently reimposing restrictions, are countries with lower vaccination rates than us.
Italy 74%
Germany 68%
Uk 69%
Austria 65%
Please stop mindlessly repeating fake news
And you’ve just proven my point.
Austria & Germany have lower vaccine rates than us (U.K.)
They also have less uptake on the booster jab.
Oh gosh there's two of you
Vaccination doses administered per 100 population:
UK =160.99
Germany =137.85
Austria =137.35
It's pretty obvious why countries like Austria & Germany had had to resort to tighter restrictions. "
We have had a far higher number of deaths factoring population. That might suggest that the real number of cases we have had in the UK are also much higher (cases from testing alone can't be relied on). If this is the case then not only do we have a higher overall vaccine uptake but also natural immunity.
UK cases since we opened up have climbed slowly but in Germany, Austria and the Netherlands, they have shot up exponentially. Our increase is more in line with what would be expected when close to herd immunity.
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