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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Masks in public, vaccination passes to go to theme parks and eat out. Ten times fewer cases than the UK. No dickheads complaining.
I want to go back. |
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over a year ago
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"Masks in public, vaccination passes to go to theme parks and eat out. Ten times fewer cases than the UK. No dickheads complaining.
I want to go back. "
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I'm recently back from Bulgaria, no mask wearing, even on trains and buses, seems a lot of resistance to the vaccine. Been on the green list most of the time. I had no problems there.
I'm not arguing about the merits of wearing masks but just putting it out for a balanced viewpoint |
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I've been to Greece, Spain and most recently Hungary since the start of the pandemic.
Controls at their airports were taken seriously whereas I just needed to scan my passport to get into the UK with no further checks.
Many European countries are well ahead of us with vaccinations now and as previously stated mask wearing and venue passporting.
Guess some of that explains why we're allowing so many of our population to die of covid in comparison. |
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By *ack688Man
over a year ago
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I live in Italy and the first outbreak was so devastating in terms of death rates that public health needs were adopted very quickly and with no complaints, and it’s stayed that way, everyone just gets on with it. |
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"Masks in public, vaccination passes to go to theme parks and eat out. Ten times fewer cases than the UK. No dickheads complaining.
I want to go back. "
I went to Denmark, less cases than Italy. No masks, no vaccine passports, no rules |
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There has been a lot of unrest in Italy about the current restrictions.
Dickhead are people that see a tiny proportion of what goes on in a country and come back home and use it as ammunition to be arrogant on a swingers forum |
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"I'm recently back from Bulgaria, no mask wearing, even on trains and buses, seems a lot of resistance to the vaccine. Been on the green list most of the time. I had no problems there.
I'm not arguing about the merits of wearing masks but just putting it out for a balanced viewpoint "
You are lucky you did not get covid. They are at the very bottom of the vaccination rate in Europe, with around 20% of the adult population .
This situation is likely to bite the Bulgarians very soon.
According to Reuters
Late on Tuesday, interim Health Minister Stoicho Katsarov said the situation at hospitals was critical and appealed to Bulgarians to observe the restrictions. Out of 700 intensive care beds across the country, 608 are occupied.
"If these measures do not work, the only option left will be a full lockdown and a halt of economic life," Katsarov said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/bulgaria-hits-record-high-daily-coronavirus-cases-hospitals-stretched-2021-10-27/ |
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"I'm recently back from Bulgaria, no mask wearing, even on trains and buses, seems a lot of resistance to the vaccine. Been on the green list most of the time. I had no problems there.
I'm not arguing about the merits of wearing masks but just putting it out for a balanced viewpoint
You are lucky you did not get covid. They are at the very bottom of the vaccination rate in Europe, with around 20% of the adult population .
This situation is likely to bite the Bulgarians very soon.
According to Reuters
Late on Tuesday, interim Health Minister Stoicho Katsarov said the situation at hospitals was critical and appealed to Bulgarians to observe the restrictions. Out of 700 intensive care beds across the country, 608 are occupied.
"If these measures do not work, the only option left will be a full lockdown and a halt of economic life," Katsarov said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/bulgaria-hits-record-high-daily-coronavirus-cases-hospitals-stretched-2021-10-27/"
There’s 4,500 cases a day from a population of 7 million. In, say, 10 days there, that’s 45,000 cases.
He’s not “lucky he didn’t get covid”. That’s a ridiculous exaggeration.
Your point about the ICU beds is correct though. |
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"I'm recently back from Bulgaria, no mask wearing, even on trains and buses, seems a lot of resistance to the vaccine. Been on the green list most of the time. I had no problems there.
I'm not arguing about the merits of wearing masks but just putting it out for a balanced viewpoint
You are lucky you did not get covid. They are at the very bottom of the vaccination rate in Europe, with around 20% of the adult population .
This situation is likely to bite the Bulgarians very soon.
According to Reuters
Late on Tuesday, interim Health Minister Stoicho Katsarov said the situation at hospitals was critical and appealed to Bulgarians to observe the restrictions. Out of 700 intensive care beds across the country, 608 are occupied.
"If these measures do not work, the only option left will be a full lockdown and a halt of economic life," Katsarov said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/bulgaria-hits-record-high-daily-coronavirus-cases-hospitals-stretched-2021-10-27/
There’s 4,500 cases a day from a population of 7 million. In, say, 10 days there, that’s 45,000 cases.
He’s not “lucky he didn’t get covid”. That’s a ridiculous exaggeration.
Your point about the ICU beds is correct though."
People who are not afraid or are ignorant of the covid dangers would notbbother to test in the first place. Therefore, not a lot of cases of people being tested positive. There may be only 4,500 cases a day but the actual number of people who are positive is a multiple of that. Also, not wearing masks and no social distancing etc can only make things worse.
They were lucky because they were not hit hard by covid like the Italians and the Spaniards. So a lot Bulgarians think covid is no big deal. And this is why so few have been vaccinated. |
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"I'm recently back from Bulgaria, no mask wearing, even on trains and buses, seems a lot of resistance to the vaccine. Been on the green list most of the time. I had no problems there.
I'm not arguing about the merits of wearing masks but just putting it out for a balanced viewpoint
You are lucky you did not get covid. They are at the very bottom of the vaccination rate in Europe, with around 20% of the adult population .
This situation is likely to bite the Bulgarians very soon.
According to Reuters
Late on Tuesday, interim Health Minister Stoicho Katsarov said the situation at hospitals was critical and appealed to Bulgarians to observe the restrictions. Out of 700 intensive care beds across the country, 608 are occupied.
"If these measures do not work, the only option left will be a full lockdown and a halt of economic life," Katsarov said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/bulgaria-hits-record-high-daily-coronavirus-cases-hospitals-stretched-2021-10-27/
There’s 4,500 cases a day from a population of 7 million. In, say, 10 days there, that’s 45,000 cases.
He’s not “lucky he didn’t get covid”. That’s a ridiculous exaggeration.
Your point about the ICU beds is correct though.
People who are not afraid or are ignorant of the covid dangers would notbbother to test in the first place. Therefore, not a lot of cases of people being tested positive. There may be only 4,500 cases a day but the actual number of people who are positive is a multiple of that. Also, not wearing masks and no social distancing etc can only make things worse.
They were lucky because they were not hit hard by covid like the Italians and the Spaniards. So a lot Bulgarians think covid is no big deal. And this is why so few have been vaccinated."
You said he was lucky not to get covid.
He wasn’t. He could have got it, but he was still more likely not to, given the stats. That’s all. |
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They were lucky because they were not hit hard by covid like the Italians and the Spaniards. So a lot Bulgarians think covid is no big deal. And this is why so few have been vaccinated."
I knew I shouldn't have posted in here
It shows that you cannot compare countries which is what the original poster was doing.
I assume your thoughts on being vaccinated is an assumption? My understanding is there are different reasons. |
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They were lucky because they were not hit hard by covid like the Italians and the Spaniards. So a lot Bulgarians think covid is no big deal. And this is why so few have been vaccinated.
I knew I shouldn't have posted in here
It shows that you cannot compare countries which is what the original poster was doing.
I assume your thoughts on being vaccinated is an assumption? My understanding is there are different reasons. "
I do not understand what you are trying to say. You traveled to a country where the majority of the population do not take covid seriously, are not vaccinated and are not taking precautions. Their 20% vaccination rate is telling. I do not even have to compare them to other countries. They are miles behind. Winter is coming and it will not be easy there. |
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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago
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"I'm recently back from Bulgaria, no mask wearing, even on trains and buses, seems a lot of resistance to the vaccine. Been on the green list most of the time. I had no problems there.
I'm not arguing about the merits of wearing masks but just putting it out for a balanced viewpoint "
Been in Budapest recently, it's absolutely great feeling, no signs of stupid masks, life is completely normal, definitely recommended for recharge batteries and take a rest from covid drama |
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"I'm recently back from Bulgaria, no mask wearing, even on trains and buses, seems a lot of resistance to the vaccine. Been on the green list most of the time. I had no problems there.
I'm not arguing about the merits of wearing masks but just putting it out for a balanced viewpoint
Been in Budapest recently, it's absolutely great feeling, no signs of stupid masks, life is completely normal, definitely recommended for recharge batteries and take a rest from covid drama "
Your timing was good. But things are changing as per today’s news.
Grappling with surging coronavirus cases and a stalled vaccination program, Hungary allowed companies to force staff to get a Covid-19 vaccine as a condition of employment.
The government will also demand that public-sector workers receive a shot, while compulsory mask-wearing will be re-introduced on public transport from next week, Cabinet Minister Gergely Gulyas told a briefing Thursday.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-28/hungary-to-allow-firms-to-mandate-covid-vaccine-as-cases-surge |
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By *ack688Man
over a year ago
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"There has been a lot of unrest in Italy about the current restrictions.
Dickhead are people that see a tiny proportion of what goes on in a country and come back home and use it as ammunition to be arrogant on a swingers forum "
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I live in Italy, and the vast majority of everyday life here is not in a state of unrest! But of course that doesn’t sell newspapers, so thank you for reading up on things and explaining to me how things are in the country I live in, and imagining that it’s others that are arrogant. |
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"Masks in public, vaccination passes to go to theme parks and eat out. Ten times fewer cases than the UK. No dickheads complaining.
I want to go back. " ohhh how much hassle was it to get out there.. as I'm desperate to get to Italy x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Masks in public, vaccination passes to go to theme parks and eat out. Ten times fewer cases than the UK. No dickheads complaining.
I want to go back. ohhh how much hassle was it to get out there.. as I'm desperate to get to Italy x"
So long as you do the requisite tests and have the correct paperwork, it's a doddle. |
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"Masks in public, vaccination passes to go to theme parks and eat out. Ten times fewer cases than the UK. No dickheads complaining.
I want to go back. ohhh how much hassle was it to get out there.. as I'm desperate to get to Italy x
So long as you do the requisite tests and have the correct paperwork, it's a doddle." it's the tests that are causing me the angst. I tend to only go for 3 nights max... so not sure about getting the tests done in time. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"There has been a lot of unrest in Italy about the current restrictions.
Dickhead are people that see a tiny proportion of what goes on in a country and come back home and use it as ammunition to be arrogant on a swingers forum "
A little harsh and I think a touch ironic |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Masks in public, vaccination passes to go to theme parks and eat out. Ten times fewer cases than the UK. No dickheads complaining.
I want to go back.
I went to Denmark, less cases than Italy. No masks, no vaccine passports, no rules "
Denmark had the covid pass earlier . It just happened that they had phased it out by the time you got there.
In fact Denmark was the first country in Europe to introduce the covid pass way back in April 2021 this year.
The Danes accepted the pass quickly as it offered a quick path out of lockdown. The pass was also agreed upon across all parliamentary parties, (even the opposition), with the promise that it would only be used for a finite time. So, there was very little opposition from politicians and the public regarding the pass.
They have since phased out the pass last month ( in September ) as a result of high uptake of the vaccine.
Up to 76% of over-12s are fully vaccinated and a third booster is being rolled out.
In Europe, Denmark has the highest percentage of total population who have received full dose vaccination.
Due to the high uptake in vaccination, the Danish health authorities have declared that the virus is "no longer a critical threat to society" due to a low incidence of severe disease and death. They have now downgraded Covid-19 to a no longer "socially critical" disease.
Covid is currently not a serious threat in Denmark because :
1. of The successful vaccine rollout, and experts have pointed to high levels of trust in authorities from the public.
2. There is also a strong sense of social responsibility and accountability in Danish society. Both the politicians and the pubic have cooperated very well in bringing down cases, hospitalisations, and deaths.
So... in a scenario where there is high vaccine uptake, and a high level of social responsibility within society; there is less need for government-imposed restrictions.
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"Masks in public, vaccination passes to go to theme parks and eat out. Ten times fewer cases than the UK. No dickheads complaining.
I want to go back.
I went to Denmark, less cases than Italy. No masks, no vaccine passports, no rules
Denmark had the covid pass earlier . It just happened that they had phased it out by the time you got there.
In fact Denmark was the first country in Europe to introduce the covid pass way back in April 2021 this year.
The Danes accepted the pass quickly as it offered a quick path out of lockdown. The pass was also agreed upon across all parliamentary parties, (even the opposition), with the promise that it would only be used for a finite time. So, there was very little opposition from politicians and the public regarding the pass.
They have since phased out the pass last month ( in September ) as a result of high uptake of the vaccine.
Up to 76% of over-12s are fully vaccinated and a third booster is being rolled out.
In Europe, Denmark has the highest percentage of total population who have received full dose vaccination.
Due to the high uptake in vaccination, the Danish health authorities have declared that the virus is "no longer a critical threat to society" due to a low incidence of severe disease and death. They have now downgraded Covid-19 to a no longer "socially critical" disease.
Covid is currently not a serious threat in Denmark because :
1. of The successful vaccine rollout, and experts have pointed to high levels of trust in authorities from the public.
2. There is also a strong sense of social responsibility and accountability in Danish society. Both the politicians and the pubic have cooperated very well in bringing down cases, hospitalisations, and deaths.
So... in a scenario where there is high vaccine uptake, and a high level of social responsibility within society; there is less need for government-imposed restrictions.
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It's an excellent example of how a country managed its transition, after such a damaging experience. We just had a 'freedom' day, had the conservative government throw their masks off in public, whilst infection levels have been climbing as we enter the most dangerous season. . Restrictions and vaccinea are successful, alongside good leadership and public adherence to cooperation for the social good |
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"There has been a lot of unrest in Italy about the current restrictions.
Dickhead are people that see a tiny proportion of what goes on in a country and come back home and use it as ammunition to be arrogant on a swingers forum
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I live in Italy, and the vast majority of everyday life here is not in a state of unrest! But of course that doesn’t sell newspapers, so thank you for reading up on things and explaining to me how things are in the country I live in, and imagining that it’s others that are arrogant."
It's great to hear how it is from someone who lives there. Thanks for sharing |
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By *akie32Man
over a year ago
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so why did you come back, maybe the freedome to do what you want is a part, lets face it italy is in effect a comunist country in all but na,e, ive been there alot so its not a daily mail view, yes we need to do more here but is the way they do things better?, gueniunly intersted to know |
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"so why did you come back, maybe the freedome to do what you want is a part, lets face it italy is in effect a comunist country in all but na,e, ive been there alot so its not a daily mail view, yes we need to do more here but is the way they do things better?, gueniunly intersted to know" to be fair I was in Italy last August and found the way they were handling it much better than at home. Everyone was wearing their masks without complaints. They checked my paperwork upon landing and before letting me through. Yet when I flew home to Manchester airport... they didnt check anything except my passport. And we were queuing with a flight that had come back from a country that was meant to be quarantining... they just asked us which flight we had been on. Didnt check x
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"Masks in public, vaccination passes to go to theme parks and eat out. Ten times fewer cases than the UK. No dickheads complaining.
I want to go back.
I went to Denmark, less cases than Italy. No masks, no vaccine passports, no rules
Denmark had the covid pass earlier . It just happened that they had phased it out by the time you got there.
In fact Denmark was the first country in Europe to introduce the covid pass way back in April 2021 this year.
The Danes accepted the pass quickly as it offered a quick path out of lockdown. The pass was also agreed upon across all parliamentary parties, (even the opposition), with the promise that it would only be used for a finite time. So, there was very little opposition from politicians and the public regarding the pass.
They have since phased out the pass last month ( in September ) as a result of high uptake of the vaccine.
Up to 76% of over-12s are fully vaccinated and a third booster is being rolled out.
In Europe, Denmark has the highest percentage of total population who have received full dose vaccination.
Due to the high uptake in vaccination, the Danish health authorities have declared that the virus is "no longer a critical threat to society" due to a low incidence of severe disease and death. They have now downgraded Covid-19 to a no longer "socially critical" disease.
Covid is currently not a serious threat in Denmark because :
1. of The successful vaccine rollout, and experts have pointed to high levels of trust in authorities from the public.
2. There is also a strong sense of social responsibility and accountability in Danish society. Both the politicians and the pubic have cooperated very well in bringing down cases, hospitalisations, and deaths.
So... in a scenario where there is high vaccine uptake, and a high level of social responsibility within society; there is less need for government-imposed restrictions.
It's an excellent example of how a country managed its transition, after such a damaging experience. We just had a 'freedom' day, had the conservative government throw their masks off in public, whilst infection levels have been climbing as we enter the most dangerous season. . Restrictions and vaccinea are successful, alongside good leadership and public adherence to cooperation for the social good "
"...Restrictions and vaccinea are successful, alongside good leadership and public adherence to cooperation for the social good...."
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"Masks in public, vaccination passes to go to theme parks and eat out. Ten times fewer cases than the UK. No dickheads complaining.
I want to go back. "
My sister lives in Milan. She says people just follow the advice and go about their day. Masks in public, vaccination passports small price to pay and her 18 year old is finally out mixing with friends after nearly two years. |
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"I've been to Greece, Spain and most recently Hungary since the start of the pandemic.
Controls at their airports were taken seriously whereas I just needed to scan my passport to get into the UK with no further checks.
Many European countries are well ahead of us with vaccinations now and as previously stated mask wearing and venue passporting.
Guess some of that explains why we're allowing so many of our population to die of covid in comparison. "
Further checks were not needed to get back into the U.K. as the passenger locator form is linked to your passport. If flagged up as not completed then they do further checks. I queried it when I returned to U.K. recently |
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On the whole there's a lot of unrest & objection all over the world, unbelievable how many go against a few simple requests that could help prevent the spread.
Wonder how most of them would feel if they went into surgery at a hospital & the surgeons & nurses were unmasked with no gloves or surgical gowns on! |
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"On the whole there's a lot of unrest & objection all over the world, unbelievable how many go against a few simple requests that could help prevent the spread.
Wonder how most of them would feel if they went into surgery at a hospital & the surgeons & nurses were unmasked with no gloves or surgical gowns on! " There is a difference they have medically approved masks not the useless ones most of the population wear , |
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"On the whole there's a lot of unrest & objection all over the world, unbelievable how many go against a few simple requests that could help prevent the spread.
Wonder how most of them would feel if they went into surgery at a hospital & the surgeons & nurses were unmasked with no gloves or surgical gowns on! There is a difference they have medically approved masks not the useless ones most of the population wear , " I've been wearing the same masks I wear are work 99% of the time. I leave it on till I have to remove it properly. Then dispose of it.
And to be fair any covering is better than no covering x |
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over a year ago
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If masks and passports work so well, why had Wales and Scotland been worse off than England in the last week?
There is zero evidence to suggest Passports provide any benefit. If you’ve been vaccinated you can still get it and pass it on??
And masks are a total waste of time |
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"If masks and passports work so well, why had Wales and Scotland been worse off than England in the last week?
There is zero evidence to suggest Passports provide any benefit. If you’ve been vaccinated you can still get it and pass it on??
And masks are a total waste of time "
Finally.
Someone speaking sense and can see through the complete bs this all is.
Refreshing knowing there’s still some sane individuals around whilst the majority remain plugged in.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"If masks and passports work so well, why had Wales and Scotland been worse off than England in the last week?
There is zero evidence to suggest Passports provide any benefit. If you’ve been vaccinated you can still get it and pass it on??
And masks are a total waste of time "
I believe the passports are to protect those that are not vaccinated, by restricting their exposure in crowded venues. |
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"If masks and passports work so well, why had Wales and Scotland been worse off than England in the last week?
There is zero evidence to suggest Passports provide any benefit. If you’ve been vaccinated you can still get it and pass it on??
And masks are a total waste of time " That’s a good point about Wales and Scotland considering they still use masks |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"If masks and passports work so well, why had Wales and Scotland been worse off than England in the last week?
There is zero evidence to suggest Passports provide any benefit. If you’ve been vaccinated you can still get it and pass it on??
And masks are a total waste of time That’s a good point about Wales and Scotland considering they still use masks "
It is more likely the timing of lockdown easing across the different countries. England ended restrictions first and saw numbers start to climb as Scotland and Wales remained stable in restriction. You have data you can follow as this is all publicly available |
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"If masks and passports work so well, why had Wales and Scotland been worse off than England in the last week?
There is zero evidence to suggest Passports provide any benefit. If you’ve been vaccinated you can still get it and pass it on??
And masks are a total waste of time That’s a good point about Wales and Scotland considering they still use masks
It is more likely the timing of lockdown easing across the different countries. England ended restrictions first and saw numbers start to climb as Scotland and Wales remained stable in restriction. You have data you can follow as this is all publicly available" Wales and Scotland both far less densely populated than England, you would have thought using the marvellous masks still they would be far less |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"If masks and passports work so well, why had Wales and Scotland been worse off than England in the last week?
There is zero evidence to suggest Passports provide any benefit. If you’ve been vaccinated you can still get it and pass it on??
And masks are a total waste of time That’s a good point about Wales and Scotland considering they still use masks
It is more likely the timing of lockdown easing across the different countries. England ended restrictions first and saw numbers start to climb as Scotland and Wales remained stable in restriction. You have data you can follow as this is all publicly available Wales and Scotland both far less densely populated than England, you would have thought using the marvellous masks still they would be far less "
The population although smaller in number will still congregate in towns and cities, very much a like for like in that sense. Take up of masks in major cities in Scotland and Wales has been on the decline, and pretty much will mirror England I would imagine as the time goes by. I do expect numbers to rise significantly as they did in England, and I wouldn't be surprised if we start to see England cases start to stabilise. All guess work but lets see |
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"On the whole there's a lot of unrest & objection all over the world, unbelievable how many go against a few simple requests that could help prevent the spread.
Wonder how most of them would feel if they went into surgery at a hospital & the surgeons & nurses were unmasked with no gloves or surgical gowns on! There is a difference they have medically approved masks not the useless ones most of the population wear , "
I wasn't actually making a point about the type or quality of mask or garment but more the fact of wearing any form of protection. Also the fact with all the other issues in the world, the stink some kick up over wearing a mask is quite pathetic.
Basically end of the day I know there's enough twats out there who no doubt don't give a shit, feel immune & will do as they please regardless. Unfortunately this applies to life in general not just the pandemic. Oh well just keep to your side of the street please! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I am not a twat for wanting my face back and being made to feel like a criminal for refusing to wear a nappy on my face
We’ll never get our freedoms back at this rate |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I am not a twat for wanting my face back and being made to feel like a criminal for refusing to wear a nappy on my face
We’ll never get our freedoms back at this rate"
It ain't about freedom but thanks for proving the point! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It appears the mainstream media has successfully brainwashed too many people into believing that a piece of material will save them from this killer virus
The science offers little to no evidence of it being the case
And I’ve said it before, but if you can get infected and pass it on after being vaccinated, what is the point of a vaccine passport?? If you aren’t vaccinated don’t put yourself in a position where you feel vulnerable
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"It appears the mainstream media has successfully brainwashed too many people into believing that a piece of material will save them from this killer virus
The science offers little to no evidence of it being the case
And I’ve said it before, but if you can get infected and pass it on after being vaccinated, what is the point of a vaccine passport?? If you aren’t vaccinated don’t put yourself in a position where you feel vulnerable
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I believe the point of the vaccine passport is to protect the unvaccinated by restricting their exposure to large crowds. |
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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago
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It all takes a lot of understanding for a simple country boy to take in, I am sure it is a highly infectious virus and if these countries are mixing normally they must be spreading it around. At a local funeral a few weeks ago attended by at least 200, covid cases went wild after a few days it is said at least 70 have had it since, I have spoken to at least 20 who had it as a consequence most would be double jabbed, most were not too poorly a few were. I don't think any were hospitalised and some were quite elderly. One or two have said they are relieved to have had it and got over it. I suppose a wedding or a funeral is slightly different to other mass gatherings in as much as a lot of folks would go around chatting to each other during the event. Most folks have come to the conclusion we have to carry on and hope for the best. |
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