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Are people happier to get the flu vaccine than the covid one?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Why? We get a new flu vaccine each year. And yet people seem unbothered at the idea they're taking a new vaccine there. And yet some people scream at the idea of taking a Covid vaccine. |
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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago
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Despite all the idiotic nonsense, I would be perfectly happy to have whatever jabs are available for the latest flu, Covid variations, etc.
The science is there: vaccinations work, possibly not 100% effectively, but sufficiently.
Anti-vaxxers are mutters, who are frightening people into inaction, unjustifiably.
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"Despite all the idiotic nonsense, I would be perfectly happy to have whatever jabs are available for the latest flu, Covid variations, etc.
The science is there: vaccinations work, possibly not 100% effectively, but sufficiently.
Anti-vaxxers are mutters, who are frightening people into inaction, unjustifiably.
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I think it's just the fact that it's a crisis, we hear much more of it. People do complain about the flu jab and the others, in similar ways to them complaining about this one.
(This year's was a bastard  ) |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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Pretty sure the annual flu vaccine a continuous tweak of the original flu vaccine based on roughly six months of data and learning from Southern Hemisphere (ie tweaked to tackle known flu variants cropping up in their winter).
So not a new vaccine at all, just an evolution.
I think ardent anti-vaxxers will never be sold on the Covid vaccines, but as time goes on and more data is available (specifically on long term impacts), the vaccine hesitants will start to have more confidence and be prepared to have the Covid vaccine(s). |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When I was youngs/Raul, I refused the flu jab when offered free by works but then when the 'swine flu' arrived about 10 years ago, i refused at work but then paid for a jab via Boots and since then got one from work and now older and a medical conditon get it free via gp.
I think and if any doctors, nurses etc her the flu jabs are based on one platform, ie virus based. However, the covid jabs have two platforms, ie virsu and gentitcally modified and in the uk most people got the virus based one x 2 now offered gentically modified unless you have history of adverse reactions
Am I correct? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Pfizer booster is exactly the same as the first two. "
I meant as per my post, those that got the non gentic jab x 2 intially and all are being offered the gentically modified verisos now ie pifzer and moderna. I did not say pifzer was not the same as the one intially rolled out Nov 2020 |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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Never been offerd the flu jab and never had one,dont think id bother with one either,nan when she was still alive had it once and was ill for nearly a week after same happend to my mum a few years back |
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"Never been offerd the flu jab and never had one,dont think id bother with one either,nan when she was still alive had it once and was ill for nearly a week after same happend to my mum a few years back "
You will be offered a free flu jab next year when you're 50. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Had the flu jab for 20+ years and in 2019 we forgot to get it done even through the bastard was in our fridge and I css as ugh the the flu badly which knocked me out for two weeks,we will never forget again!!!
Wife pays for hers and mine is free and this year I will have the Covid booster at the same time.
Talking of injections I had my eyeball injected yesterday and I had no idea of what was in it but I don’t fancy going blind so I trust my specialist like I trust all specialists really.
Jab or don’t jab it’s your choice and so it should be.
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"Never been offerd the flu jab and never had one,dont think id bother with one either,nan when she was still alive had it once and was ill for nearly a week after same happend to my mum a few years back
You will be offered a free flu jab next year when you're 50. "
i think i will give it a miss after it knocking my nan and my mum on there arses no one in our family gets it |
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"Why? We get a new flu vaccine each year. And yet people seem unbothered at the idea they're taking a new vaccine there. And yet some people scream at the idea of taking a Covid vaccine."
flu vaccine has been around a lot longer and no one tries to force you to take it. That’s the long and short of it really
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ive had my flu vaccine at boots yesterday, my gp said they cannot get none ,strange how boots had it ..."
Not heard anyone dying from flu jab but heard plenty storys of strokes bloodclots from covid ? |
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"Ive had my flu vaccine at boots yesterday, my gp said they cannot get none ,strange how boots had it ...
Not heard anyone dying from flu jab but heard plenty storys of strokes bloodclots from covid ?"
There are fatal or life altering complications known for flu jabs - Guillain–Barré syndrome is what I'm thinking of. It exists at a similar or more common rate than potentially fatal side effects from Covid jabs, per the literature. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Ive had my flu vaccine at boots yesterday, my gp said they cannot get none ,strange how boots had it ..."
Yeah I never understood that. Pharmacies in my area are doing flu jabs, but the local GP surgery has none. |
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I've had both my of covid jabs. Not had flu jab because of my age and tryna get booked in with a wait is like 8+ weeks, which I get because more vulnerable people need it unlike myself.
I've always been pro vaccination and always will be. I'd rather be protected and protect those around me.
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"If anybody is vulnerable to flu: check pharmacies in your area. In my experience, they're more likely to have flu vaccination stock at the moment."
Mine had it unless you were over 65, only had to wait two days, which surprised me |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If anybody is vulnerable to flu: check pharmacies in your area. In my experience, they're more likely to have flu vaccination stock at the moment.
Mine had it unless you were over 65, only had to wait two days, which surprised me"
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"I’ve had my covid vaccines and booster. Don’t normally have my flu… am this year  "
Vera wise! The result of simultaneous infection with flu and Covid is potentially increased chance of death.
Not targeted at you but our immune systems also decrease their strength as we age. Anybody who has always been fine is talking about their past, when they had a better immune system, once we get to our later years. Far better to prime our immune systems with vaccines whilst they can work well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ive had my flu vaccine at boots yesterday, my gp said they cannot get none ,strange how boots had it ...
Yeah I never understood that. Pharmacies in my area are doing flu jabs, but the local GP surgery has none."
Just supposing you are a company providing a vaccine and delivery service to GPs'....you pay your drivers a lowish wage...then along comes a driver shortage and some companies increase wages, dramatically, and some of your drivers depart....you then are unable to make a lot of deliveries....which is what happened.
My local council stopped picking-up green bins early, because of....you guessed....their drivers departing for better paid pastures.. |
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By *lk GuyMan
over a year ago
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I think coz they been working on flu vaccines for over 10 years and has gone thru all the safety test
And it wasn’t passed as an Emergency Vaccine that was developed in 9month
That works completely different
And hasn’t been thru enough test
So now they still collecting Data on it
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I had covid recently and it was like a nasty cold. I was however double jabbed and will be getting a booster and flu jab next month. Whilst people refuse the jab this virus will thrive and people will die. |
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"I think coz they been working on flu vaccines for over 10 years and has gone thru all the safety test
And it wasn’t passed as an Emergency Vaccine that was developed in 9month
That works completely different
And hasn’t been thru enough test
So now they still collecting Data on it
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The covid jab is the result of years of research. They did not just whip it up in 6 months. |
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system? "
Sadly it is not the virus that actually kills you but your immune system's excessive response to it. So it is better to give it a harmless vaccine to practice on first than wait for the full blown virus. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system?
Sadly it is not the virus that actually kills you but your immune system's excessive response to it. So it is better to give it a harmless vaccine to practice on first than wait for the full blown virus. "
I'd like to see where you got this information from. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have had Covid, husband ended up in hospital nearly died and my dad caught it from me ( i work in secondary school). I was his only carer..dad died.
I have had both Covid jabs and had a flu jab yesterday and will also have my booster before Christmas. Absolute lunacy not to try and protect yourself and others around you, selfish and totally irresponsible.
Hopefully the uptake by Secondary School students to have the Covid jab will be high as numbers at my School were rising every day.The vast majority of students becoming really ill from it is low however their ability to spread the virus is huge. |
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"Ive had my flu vaccine at boots yesterday, my gp said they cannot get none ,strange how boots had it ...
Not heard anyone dying from flu jab but heard plenty storys of strokes bloodclots from covid ?"
Plenty? I can't rem3the exact figure, but it was something like 5 in a million might get a clot and of those 1 might die. Not to mention that that was only from one of the vaccines.  |
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system?
Sadly it is not the virus that actually kills you but your immune system's excessive response to it. So it is better to give it a harmless vaccine to practice on first than wait for the full blown virus.
I'd like to see where you got this information from. "
Look at the "Severe Disease" part.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51214864 |
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"I have had Covid, husband ended up in hospital nearly died and my dad caught it from me ( i work in secondary school). I was his only carer..dad died."
So, so sorry for your loss. That must have been truly awful for you. |
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By *rx1Couple
over a year ago
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"Never been offerd the flu jab and never had one,dont think id bother with one either,nan when she was still alive had it once and was ill for nearly a week after same happend to my mum a few years back "
Years ago they used a 'live' vaccine that some had a reaction too. They stopped using 'live' over recent years.
If you get flu, you will know about it. Not some poxy little 36 hour cold that you tell the Boss you had Flu.
Nope, 10 days of real bad stuff that will wipe you out and you wished you hadn't been born, sort of cold. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have had both vaccines and my flu jab
I will have the booster when invited
When my mum was 9 she got diphtheria ,spent 11 weeks in hospital with no visitors allowed and only survived because she had been vaccinated
On this basis I don't understand the antivaxers |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Is it now a thing on this website to put that you are double vaccinated in the hope that you will not be ostracised and hopefully attract some replies to your profile? |
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system?
Sure do. I give my immune system a head start by teaching it what to fight off."
I usually eat a bit of banana before ingesting an hot curry it helps the arse hole fight off the bum burner. |
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"I think coz they been working on flu vaccines for over 10 years and has gone thru all the safety test
And it wasn’t passed as an Emergency Vaccine that was developed in 9month
That works completely different
And hasn’t been thru enough test
So now they still collecting Data on it
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What's "enough test"?
Science collects data all the time. What's exactly is it you want to be found in that data?!
You're just babbling the same nonsense that's been explained a thousand times... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have had Covid, husband ended up in hospital nearly died and my dad caught it from me ( i work in secondary school). I was his only carer..dad died.
So, so sorry for your loss. That must have been truly awful for you. "
Thank you... |
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"Is it now a thing on this website to put that you are double vaccinated in the hope that you will not be ostracised and hopefully attract some replies to your profile?"
No. I shows they have a sensible attitude towards their own health and a concern for the health of others.
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"Why? We get a new flu vaccine each year. And yet people seem unbothered at the idea they're taking a new vaccine there. And yet some people scream at the idea of taking a Covid vaccine."
I guess it’s just personal choice right! And I think only the minority scream!! I’ve never had a flu jab, and won’t be getting one this year either! I do get the flu every year pretty badly, but stay at home whilst I recover. I don’t put onto my doctor, other people, or make a big deal, I just crack on. We’re not all the same!! Miss pc |
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same difference,,, its just another prick in the arm,,, i do not see why some are making such a big fuss about the covid jab,,, unless its the extremists who would rather see 50% of the population die to save the plant,,,, |
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system? "
no , not all . But we lost trust in science on particular if it is unwilling to disclose the ingredients of its vaccines and is unwilling to take any liability if science went accidental wrong . Would go even further - calling anyone an antivaxxer who refuses the vaccine due to legitimate doubts is as good as calling a woman prude because she resists to have sex without her consent |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is it now a thing on this website to put that you are double vaccinated in the hope that you will not be ostracised and hopefully attract some replies to your profile?
No. I shows they have a sensible attitude towards their own health and a concern for the health of others.
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I see, well if we are so concerned about health and the health of others and this being a forum where alleged sexual activity takes place, and people should also perhaps postop the latest sexual health reports and also the HIV status? |
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system?
no , not all . But we lost trust in science on particular if it is unwilling to disclose the ingredients of its vaccines and is unwilling to take any liability if science went accidental wrong . Would go even further - calling anyone an antivaxxer who refuses the vaccine due to legitimate doubts is as good as calling a woman prude because she resists to have sex without her consent "
All the licensed vaccines have all their ingredients listed. Vaccine manufacturers do not have absolute exemption from liability. If they make a bad batch they would be liable. Not getting a vaccine is of course an individuals choice but that decision should be made with facts not falsehoods spread around places like social media. |
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"Is it now a thing on this website to put that you are double vaccinated in the hope that you will not be ostracised and hopefully attract some replies to your profile?
No. It shows they have a sensible attitude towards their own health and a concern for the health of others.
I see, well if we are so concerned about health and the health of others and this being a forum where alleged sexual activity takes place, and people should also perhaps postop the latest sexual health reports and also the HIV status?"
What??? Are you mad?
The first rule of Fab Club is you never ever admit to having had a STI. Ebola, Smallpox, Malaria, Turburculosis, cholera, pneumonia, etc. etc no problem; but NEVER a STI. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system?
no , not all . But we lost trust in science on particular if it is unwilling to disclose the ingredients of its vaccines and is unwilling to take any liability if science went accidental wrong . Would go even further - calling anyone an antivaxxer who refuses the vaccine due to legitimate doubts is as good as calling a woman prude because she resists to have sex without her consent
All the licensed vaccines have all their ingredients listed. Vaccine manufacturers do not have absolute exemption from liability. If they make a bad batch they would be liable. Not getting a vaccine is of course an individuals choice but that decision should be made with facts not falsehoods spread around places like social media."
Produced using the DNA from dead baby foetuses |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I have had all injections including flu. Not had a thing for nearly 2 years. But nursing a real bad chest infection worst ive had in 6 years. My flu jab was over 6 weeks ago. I've had 2 tests and both not COVID. I feel nothing but sympathy for those poor people who have had it. |
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I think a lot of the hostility towards the covid vaccine is because of the impact covid has had on our lives.
Frustration about lockdowns and anxiety about the future leads some people to look for ways to feel more in control, or to fight back, and kicking against covid vaccines is a way to do that.
Flu by comparison doesn't lead to lockdowns and associated frustrations, so people don't tend to have that emotional response to a flu vaccine. |
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system?
no , not all . But we lost trust in science on particular if it is unwilling to disclose the ingredients of its vaccines and is unwilling to take any liability if science went accidental wrong . Would go even further - calling anyone an antivaxxer who refuses the vaccine due to legitimate doubts is as good as calling a woman prude because she resists to have sex without her consent
All the licensed vaccines have all their ingredients listed. Vaccine manufacturers do not have absolute exemption from liability. If they make a bad batch they would be liable. Not getting a vaccine is of course an individuals choice but that decision should be made with facts not falsehoods spread around places like social media.Produced using the DNA from dead baby foetuses"
Totally incorrect I am afraid not Fetal cells are in any of the covid vaccines. Some other vaccines contain cells reproduced from a foetus aborted more than 60 years ago, but none of the covid vaccines do. |
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system?
no , not all . But we lost trust in science on particular if it is unwilling to disclose the ingredients of its vaccines and is unwilling to take any liability if science went accidental wrong . Would go even further - calling anyone an antivaxxer who refuses the vaccine due to legitimate doubts is as good as calling a woman prude because she resists to have sex without her consent
All the licensed vaccines have all their ingredients listed. Vaccine manufacturers do not have absolute exemption from liability. If they make a bad batch they would be liable. Not getting a vaccine is of course an individuals choice but that decision should be made with facts not falsehoods spread around places like social media.Produced using the DNA from dead baby foetuses
Totally incorrect I am afraid not Fetal cells are in any of the covid vaccines. Some other vaccines contain cells reproduced from a foetus aborted more than 60 years ago, but none of the covid vaccines do."
And even the Pope says that using such vaccines is better than the harm caused by vaccine preventable disease. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When my mum was 9 she got diphtheria ,spent 11 weeks in hospital with no visitors allowed and only survived because she had been vaccinated
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diphtheria is real so requires a real vaccine which is real and works this is proven that it is real and works
Covid on the other hand??? |
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When my mum was 9 she got diphtheria ,spent 11 weeks in hospital with no visitors allowed and only survived because she had been vaccinated
diphtheria is real so requires a real vaccine which is real and works this is proven that it is real and works
Covid on the other hand???"
Whilst not doing down dangerousness of diptheria. Before the vaccine diphtheria killed around 2800 people a year. At its worst covid was killing 2/3 of that number a day and that is with social distancing and lockdown measures in place. After 3 does a modern diphtheria vaccine gives 95% protection through the childhood years which is when it is at its most dangerous. Interestingly enough diphtheria came back the uk because people stopped their children getting vaccinated for awhile. A bacterium is lot easier to deal with than a novel Corona virus but science has come a long way in a 100 years. Coronavirus is at least 100s of times more deadly than diphtheria and in an totally open and unvaccinated population probably many 1000s. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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Understanding and trust I feel is the answer to that question.
I had no idea how scientists made vaccines until covid came along and now I only have a rudimentary appreciation. Why would I know more than that, I wouldn't because I have not spent years devoting my working and learning to understand such a thing.
If you would like to read an interview with Prof Sarah Gilbert that sheds a light on vaccine advancement and methodology in a way even I could understand you can find it on the link attached.
I think understanding and trust helps decision making, a 5 minute read could help that process on Flu jabs and Covid jabs and I would be interested to hear your thoughts if you take time to read it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58898085 |
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system?
no , not all . But we lost trust in science on particular if it is unwilling to disclose the ingredients of its vaccines and is unwilling to take any liability if science went accidental wrong . Would go even further - calling anyone an antivaxxer who refuses the vaccine due to legitimate doubts is as good as calling a woman prude because she resists to have sex without her consent
All the licensed vaccines have all their ingredients listed. Vaccine manufacturers do not have absolute exemption from liability. If they make a bad batch they would be liable. Not getting a vaccine is of course an individuals choice but that decision should be made with facts not falsehoods spread around places like social media.
Produced using the DNA from dead baby foetuses"
Surely people on this site regularly exchange bodily fluids that form part of foetuses? All women and men on here have atoms and molecules from other human beings, animals and plant life in their body. How else do we grow from a baby to adulthood?
If you want to avoid tiny elements of other living organisms then stop drinking and eating anything immediately. |
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system?
no , not all . But we lost trust in science on particular if it is unwilling to disclose the ingredients of its vaccines and is unwilling to take any liability if science went accidental wrong . Would go even further - calling anyone an antivaxxer who refuses the vaccine due to legitimate doubts is as good as calling a woman prude because she resists to have sex without her consent
All the licensed vaccines have all their ingredients listed. Vaccine manufacturers do not have absolute exemption from liability. If they make a bad batch they would be liable. Not getting a vaccine is of course an individuals choice but that decision should be made with facts not falsehoods spread around places like social media.Produced using the DNA from dead baby foetuses
Totally incorrect I am afraid not Fetal cells are in any of the covid vaccines. Some other vaccines contain cells reproduced from a foetus aborted more than 60 years ago, but none of the covid vaccines do."
I can show you a manufacturers leaflet for the AZ covid vaccine which supports my assertion . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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“Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK)293 cells. This product contains genetically modified organisms (GMOs”. Quoted directly from AZ product literature . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Never had a flu jab as I never felt the necessity, that was until a couple years ago when I'd had cancer & the doctor recommended I should from then on as more vulnerable.
Had the Covid booster shot yesterday & this year's flu shot, one in each arm.
I just accept it as part of getting older & it really doesn't bother me one bit. |
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"“Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK)293 cells. This product contains genetically modified organisms (GMOs”. Quoted directly from AZ product literature ."
You got that off a McDonald's menu!  |
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system?
no , not all . But we lost trust in science on particular if it is unwilling to disclose the ingredients of its vaccines and is unwilling to take any liability if science went accidental wrong . Would go even further - calling anyone an antivaxxer who refuses the vaccine due to legitimate doubts is as good as calling a woman prude because she resists to have sex without her consent
All the licensed vaccines have all their ingredients listed. Vaccine manufacturers do not have absolute exemption from liability. If they make a bad batch they would be liable. Not getting a vaccine is of course an individuals choice but that decision should be made with facts not falsehoods spread around places like social media.Produced using the DNA from dead baby foetuses
Totally incorrect I am afraid not Fetal cells are in any of the covid vaccines. Some other vaccines contain cells reproduced from a foetus aborted more than 60 years ago, but none of the covid vaccines do. I can show you a manufacturers leaflet for the AZ covid vaccine which supports my assertion ."
It was developed with cells from HEK 293 but the vaccine itself doesn't contain any of those cells. |
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system? "
 . Millions of otherwise healthy people die due to infections every year. Our immune systems are amazing but they are far from making any of us immortal. Vaccinations are about training your immune system to counter threats it has not encountered before. You wouldn’t expect training to drive a car to give you the skills to fly a plane... |
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"I think it's just the fact that it's a crisis, we hear much more of it. People do complain about the flu jab and the others, in similar ways to them complaining about this one.
(This year's was a bastard )"
Totally agree whenever there's a crisis or disaster you'll often get the conspiracy theorists out. |
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"Never had a flu jab as I never felt the necessity, that was until a couple years ago when I'd had cancer & the doctor recommended I should from then on as more vulnerable.
Had the Covid booster shot yesterday & this year's flu shot, one in each arm.
I just accept it as part of getting older & it really doesn't bother me one bit. "
It's wise! Our immune system starts to become less potent as we age. In any event, if anyone was unfortunate to get a simultaneous Covid and Flu infection, they have a much higher risk of death. |
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"Never had a flu jab as I never felt the necessity, that was until a couple years ago when I'd had cancer & the doctor recommended I should from then on as more vulnerable.
Had the Covid booster shot yesterday & this year's flu shot, one in each arm.
I just accept it as part of getting older & it really doesn't bother me one bit.
It's wise! Our immune system starts to become less potent as we age. In any event, if anyone was unfortunate to get a simultaneous Covid and Flu infection, they have a much higher risk of death. "
I've had the flu jab since my teens, because I don't want to risk those around me. |
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When my mum was 9 she got diphtheria ,spent 11 weeks in hospital with no visitors allowed and only survived because she had been vaccinated
diphtheria is real so requires a real vaccine which is real and works this is proven that it is real and works
Covid on the other hand???"
Good news
We know Covid-19 is real and we've sadly seen the tragic consequences. We also have had the vaccines go through development and trials under the greatest scrutiny of any medicine. The trial research evidence is freely available, so you can progress from seemingly knowing nothing about that progress |
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"Never had a flu jab as I never felt the necessity, that was until a couple years ago when I'd had cancer & the doctor recommended I should from then on as more vulnerable.
Had the Covid booster shot yesterday & this year's flu shot, one in each arm.
I just accept it as part of getting older & it really doesn't bother me one bit.
It's wise! Our immune system starts to become less potent as we age. In any event, if anyone was unfortunate to get a simultaneous Covid and Flu infection, they have a much higher risk of death.
I've had the flu jab since my teens, because I don't want to risk those around me."
I've done similarly. . I think the few pounds that those who have to pay, is a great investment too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Never had flu vaccine and never had the flu , only reason we had Covid vaccine is they have made life difficult without it "
How has would your life be anymore difficult if you hadn't had the covid vax? What can you do know that you couldn't without it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ive had my flu vaccine at boots yesterday, my gp said they cannot get none ,strange how boots had it ..."
The flu jab on the whole is mainly being rolled out by Pharmacy's as most GP's are doing the flu jab alongside boosters. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Have we lost all trust in our immune system? "
What?
Our immune systems often need boosting whether it be through healthy diet or vitamins or medication this is absolutely no different. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Do you guys realize there was a time people lived without the flu vaccine being offered and the majority were all right which was not a long time ago? "
However life expectancy was much lower and infant mortality much higher. |
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By *odxeonMan
over a year ago
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If any of you worked in the NHS then you would have sprinted for the covid vaccines the second they came out. The stories both my wife and daughter have told me makes my blood run cold [both NHS] |
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"Do you guys realize there was a time people lived without the flu vaccine being offered and the majority were all right which was not a long time ago?
However life expectancy was much lower and infant mortality much higher. "
Just looked it up and quite startling for not that long ago. Flu vaccine starting to be introduced in the 1930's. Life expectancy for men was 58 and women 62. |
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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago
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"I think we should have a national compulsory hiv and hep screening programme with passports."
Really, omg really...
After the years of stigma and campaigning because those living with HIV or HebB have been ostracised, had people refuse to touch them for 'fear of catching it' you think it's appropriate or even funny to compare an airborne virus with one spread only through very specific skin to skin contact (so specific that bodily fluids have to be introduced into the recipients body through an open wound) |
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"compare an airborne virus with one spread only through very specific skin to skin contact"
So much this. I don’t understand why folk don’t get it that the problem with covid is that it’s airborne and easily transmissible. |
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"I think we should have a national compulsory hiv and hep screening programme with passports."
Statistically 1:411 in the uk have HIV and slightly more 1:315 have Hep C. HIV/AIDS kills circa 428 pa (mainly undiagnosed) and Hep C peaked at 318pa in 2014 since when the death rate has been falling. By comparison 1:82 get flu and it kills on average 11,000 a year. You can chose to get HIV and Hep screening at a GUM clinic. National screening would be great in a perfect world but then there would be screening deniers .. |
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"compare an airborne virus with one spread only through very specific skin to skin contact
So much this. I don’t understand why folk don’t get it that the problem with covid is that it’s airborne and easily transmissible. "
I think it's more, don't want to. If you mention other problems maybe Covid will go away. (Spoiler: it won't) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm worried about taking any vax tbh... flu jab I had 7 years ago I was in hospital a week later fighting for my life... haven't had any vax since... I did have my first covid jab but unsure whether to get my second |
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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm worried about taking any vax tbh... flu jab I had 7 years ago I was in hospital a week later fighting for my life... haven't had any vax since... I did have my first covid jab but unsure whether to get my second "
If you were fine with your first jab, your 2nd should equally be fine....
Was any investigation does as to why the flu vaccine caused such a reaction? Was it an allergic reaction? Was it actually attributed to the flu vaccine? |
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"I'm worried about taking any vax tbh... flu jab I had 7 years ago I was in hospital a week later fighting for my life... haven't had any vax since... I did have my first covid jab but unsure whether to get my second
If you were fine with your first jab, your 2nd should equally be fine....
Was any investigation does as to why the flu vaccine caused such a reaction? Was it an allergic reaction? Was it actually attributed to the flu vaccine? "
Yes they was a big investigation going on as to why I was taken ill after having the flu jab. They basically said I had an allergic reaction to it
The astra was my first and I was ill for just short of 48 hours. |
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By *good-being-badMan
over a year ago
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I remember the mmr furore not many years ago that caused issues not only for that jab but repurcussions for many other jabs, no mention by media or anyone else of anti-vax during that period.
Its not been helped by the continued goal posts moving by gov't and subsequent ignoring the jcvi recommendation all continue to create a mistrust of the covid jab.
The continued negativity by media and others towards people that have chosen to wait (for whatever reason) for the covid jab may have long lasting effects on this and if mmr is anything to go by, other jabs now and going forward.
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"I remember the mmr furore not many years ago that caused issues not only for that jab but repurcussions for many other jabs, no mention by media or anyone else of anti-vax during that period.
Its not been helped by the continued goal posts moving by gov't and subsequent ignoring the jcvi recommendation all continue to create a mistrust of the covid jab.
The continued negativity by media and others towards people that have chosen to wait (for whatever reason) for the covid jab may have long lasting effects on this and if mmr is anything to go by, other jabs now and going forward.
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Yes the lies about the MMR have a lot to answer for. |
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"I remember the mmr furore not many years ago that caused issues not only for that jab but repurcussions for many other jabs, no mention by media or anyone else of anti-vax during that period.
Its not been helped by the continued goal posts moving by gov't and subsequent ignoring the jcvi recommendation all continue to create a mistrust of the covid jab.
The continued negativity by media and others towards people that have chosen to wait (for whatever reason) for the covid jab may have long lasting effects on this and if mmr is anything to go by, other jabs now and going forward.
Yes the lies about the MMR have a lot to answer for. "
The people who lied about the MMR were/are most certainly anti vax. |
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"I remember the mmr furore not many years ago that caused issues not only for that jab but repurcussions for many other jabs, no mention by media or anyone else of anti-vax during that period.
Its not been helped by the continued goal posts moving by gov't and subsequent ignoring the jcvi recommendation all continue to create a mistrust of the covid jab.
The continued negativity by media and others towards people that have chosen to wait (for whatever reason) for the covid jab may have long lasting effects on this and if mmr is anything to go by, other jabs now and going forward.
Yes the lies about the MMR have a lot to answer for.
The people who lied about the MMR were/are most certainly anti vax."
The doctor involved was completely discredited but that doesn't state to stop people quoting his research regularly. |
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"Do you guys realize there was a time people lived without the flu vaccine being offered and the majority were all right which was not a long time ago? "
1918 flu killed 228,000 in the UK.
The population was 43 million. |
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"I remember the mmr furore not many years ago that caused issues not only for that jab but repurcussions for many other jabs, no mention by media or anyone else of anti-vax during that period.
Its not been helped by the continued goal posts moving by gov't and subsequent ignoring the jcvi recommendation all continue to create a mistrust of the covid jab.
The continued negativity by media and others towards people that have chosen to wait (for whatever reason) for the covid jab may have long lasting effects on this and if mmr is anything to go by, other jabs now and going forward.
Yes the lies about the MMR have a lot to answer for.
The people who lied about the MMR were/are most certainly anti vax.
The doctor involved was completely discredited but that doesn't state to stop people quoting his research regularly. "
Mr wakefield was totally discredited, but is still very active in spreading falsehoods about rna vaccines |
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"I remember the mmr furore not many years ago that caused issues not only for that jab but repurcussions for many other jabs, no mention by media or anyone else of anti-vax during that period.
Its not been helped by the continued goal posts moving by gov't and subsequent ignoring the jcvi recommendation all continue to create a mistrust of the covid jab.
The continued negativity by media and others towards people that have chosen to wait (for whatever reason) for the covid jab may have long lasting effects on this and if mmr is anything to go by, other jabs now and going forward.
Yes the lies about the MMR have a lot to answer for.
The people who lied about the MMR were/are most certainly anti vax.
The doctor involved was completely discredited but that doesn't state to stop people quoting his research regularly. "
Indeed. It's been enormously damaging. |
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By *good-being-badMan
over a year ago
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"I remember the mmr furore not many years ago that caused issues not only for that jab but repurcussions for many other jabs, no mention by media or anyone else of anti-vax during that period.
Its not been helped by the continued goal posts moving by gov't and subsequent ignoring the jcvi recommendation all continue to create a mistrust of the covid jab.
The continued negativity by media and others towards people that have chosen to wait (for whatever reason) for the covid jab may have long lasting effects on this and if mmr is anything to go by, other jabs now and going forward.
Yes the lies about the MMR have a lot to answer for.
The people who lied about the MMR were/are most certainly anti vax."
He maybe is / was anti jab.. lots of people who heard of his research it was quoted in the media, at the time headline news, later discredited to a lesser extent reported, at no point was the label anti vax aimed at the people who chose to wait,
the possibilities of labelling people 'anti' may make (some of those who have concerns(same as the mmr jab), that may be alayed at a later date about this jab, make them anti all jabs or lose confidence in other jabs.
this term/label was media driven unlike when the mmr furore kicked off and its driving more distance than alaying fears.
Media and others keep up the anti jab pro disease yadda yadda and see where it stops. Far better building than knocking down. |
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"I remember the mmr furore not many years ago that caused issues not only for that jab but repurcussions for many other jabs, no mention by media or anyone else of anti-vax during that period.
Its not been helped by the continued goal posts moving by gov't and subsequent ignoring the jcvi recommendation all continue to create a mistrust of the covid jab.
The continued negativity by media and others towards people that have chosen to wait (for whatever reason) for the covid jab may have long lasting effects on this and if mmr is anything to go by, other jabs now and going forward.
Yes the lies about the MMR have a lot to answer for.
The people who lied about the MMR were/are most certainly anti vax.
He maybe is / was anti jab.. lots of people who heard of his research it was quoted in the media, at the time headline news, later discredited to a lesser extent reported, at no point was the label anti vax aimed at the people who chose to wait,
the possibilities of labelling people 'anti' may make (some of those who have concerns(same as the mmr jab), that may be alayed at a later date about this jab, make them anti all jabs or lose confidence in other jabs.
this term/label was media driven unlike when the mmr furore kicked off and its driving more distance than alaying fears.
Media and others keep up the anti jab pro disease yadda yadda and see where it stops. Far better building than knocking down."
*Shrug* the communities who talked about their children as being dead to them, or better off dead, existed and continue to exist.
Defining them out of existence, in the name of some sort of false unity, fixes nothing. Sunlight disinfects. |
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"I remember the mmr furore not many years ago that caused issues not only for that jab but repurcussions for many other jabs, no mention by media or anyone else of anti-vax during that period.
Its not been helped by the continued goal posts moving by gov't and subsequent ignoring the jcvi recommendation all continue to create a mistrust of the covid jab.
The continued negativity by media and others towards people that have chosen to wait (for whatever reason) for the covid jab may have long lasting effects on this and if mmr is anything to go by, other jabs now and going forward.
Yes the lies about the MMR have a lot to answer for. "
As does Tony Blair for fueling them |
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"Pretty sure the annual flu vaccine a continuous tweak of the original flu vaccine based on roughly six months of data and learning from Southern Hemisphere (ie tweaked to tackle known flu variants cropping up in their winter).
So not a new vaccine at all, just an evolution.
I think ardent anti-vaxxers will never be sold on the Covid vaccines, but as time goes on and more data is available (specifically on long term impacts), the vaccine hesitants will start to have more confidence and be prepared to have the Covid vaccine(s)."
To be fair, the RNA vaccines were just an alteration on a long researched and tested “vaccine vehicle” that happened to be signed off at the right time. The same “vehicle” will likely be used for a HIV vaccine in the near future amongst other viruses! |
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"Pretty sure the annual flu vaccine a continuous tweak of the original flu vaccine based on roughly six months of data and learning from Southern Hemisphere (ie tweaked to tackle known flu variants cropping up in their winter).
So not a new vaccine at all, just an evolution.
I think ardent anti-vaxxers will never be sold on the Covid vaccines, but as time goes on and more data is available (specifically on long term impacts), the vaccine hesitants will start to have more confidence and be prepared to have the Covid vaccine(s).
To be fair, the RNA vaccines were just an alteration on a long researched and tested “vaccine vehicle” that happened to be signed off at the right time. The same “vehicle” will likely be used for a HIV vaccine in the near future amongst other viruses!"
Plus Oxford and J&J use adenoviral vectors, and Novavax and Valneva have different mechanisms again (if they pass, but looks promising). |
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"Pretty sure the annual flu vaccine a continuous tweak of the original flu vaccine based on roughly six months of data and learning from Southern Hemisphere (ie tweaked to tackle known flu variants cropping up in their winter).
So not a new vaccine at all, just an evolution.
I think ardent anti-vaxxers will never be sold on the Covid vaccines, but as time goes on and more data is available (specifically on long term impacts), the vaccine hesitants will start to have more confidence and be prepared to have the Covid vaccine(s).
To be fair, the RNA vaccines were just an alteration on a long researched and tested “vaccine vehicle” that happened to be signed off at the right time. The same “vehicle” will likely be used for a HIV vaccine in the near future amongst other viruses!"
And as a prostate cancer treatment.. |
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