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"We are censored enough already thank you! "I'll assume you didn't actually read the original post as it's not censorship | |||
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"We are censored enough already thank you!
I'll assume you didn't actually read the original post as it's not censorship "Guilty... I read your first question and responded to that! | |||
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"We are censored enough already thank you!
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Guilty... I read your first question and responded to that! "No problem I appreciate the honesty lol | |||
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"Should someone be clamping down on YouTube, Facebook and other platforms hosting such drivel ?" You forgot the Fab forum  | |||
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"Should someone be clamping down on YouTube, Facebook and other platforms hosting such drivel ? You forgot the Fab forum "Pm me lol | |||
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"Should someone be clamping down on YouTube, Facebook and other platforms hosting such drivel ? You forgot the Fab forum "What about the profiles! There is some seriously misleading crap in there!  | |||
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"Annoying thing all these anti vaccine ppl say it’s personal choice , that would be true if they just got it or died of it but in vaccined ppl go on to give it to aether who might die , these ppl are reason you have to put a do not drink sticker on bottles of bleach , wish it was just them cleanse the gene pool abit , rant over lol "Sorry for spelling mistakes get me angry lol | |||
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"What is event 201 ?" Just some shite that someone made up and week minded fools buy into   | |||
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"Annoying thing all these anti vaccine ppl say it’s personal choice , that would be true if they just got it or died of it but in vaccined ppl go on to give it to aether who might die , these ppl are reason you have to put a do not drink sticker on bottles of bleach , wish it was just them cleanse the gene pool abit , rant over lol "They say it’s personal choice but don’t want anyone else to have the personal choice to have it | |||
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"Ofcom only do official broadcasting, I'm really not sure how you'd police social media in the same way. However I'm really sick of hearing the MSM refer to ivermectin as a horse dewormer, it's dishonest at best and at worst continues a problem of people seeking the horse dewormer version of the drug!." How is it being dishonest? | |||
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"Ofcom only do official broadcasting, I'm really not sure how you'd police social media in the same way. However I'm really sick of hearing the MSM refer to ivermectin as a horse dewormer, it's dishonest at best and at worst continues a problem of people seeking the horse dewormer version of the drug!. How is it being dishonest?" Because it's a drug that's been used 4 billion times in humans, half of Africa has been saved from River blindness thanks to ivermectin, does that sound like a drug that's just a horse dewormer?. | |||
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"There is a school of thought that devoutly religious people are more vulnerable to social media disinformation because they have already suspended their own reality check to believe as they do. I am horrified how in some of the southern states of the USA preachers are telling their flock not to get vaccinated but go to church regularly and pray and God will protect them. Its a small step but good that the watchdogs took action. " I understand why people in the USA don’t trust the gov and their vaccines there’s been so many fuck ups in the past | |||
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"Ofcom only do official broadcasting, I'm really not sure how you'd police social media in the same way. However I'm really sick of hearing the MSM refer to ivermectin as a horse dewormer, it's dishonest at best and at worst continues a problem of people seeking the horse dewormer version of the drug!. How is it being dishonest? Because it's a drug that's been used 4 billion times in humans, half of Africa has been saved from River blindness thanks to ivermectin, does that sound like a drug that's just a horse dewormer?." You are aware that it cures river blindness by acting as a dewormer. | |||
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"Ivermectin might be useful in humans such as River Blindness but when studies of it being used for COVID-19 are highlighted as fake or false then questions need to be asked of who is making money on the back of it.. Hydroxychloroquine?? " Yes, there's been concerted campaigns to promote both, despite evidence against them working and evidence that studies have been fabricated. Questions certainly do need to be asked - why people would want to highlight drugs that don't seem to work, why there are organisations trying to override the scientific evidence, etc. I suppose this nonsense has been happening for years - it's the fact it's seen relative mainstream acceptance that's so worrying. | |||
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"Ivermectin might be useful in humans such as River Blindness but when studies of it being used for COVID-19 are highlighted as fake or false then questions need to be asked of who is making money on the back of it.. Hydroxychloroquine?? Yes, there's been concerted campaigns to promote both, despite evidence against them working and evidence that studies have been fabricated. Questions certainly do need to be asked - why people would want to highlight drugs that don't seem to work, why there are organisations trying to override the scientific evidence, etc. I suppose this nonsense has been happening for years - it's the fact it's seen relative mainstream acceptance that's so worrying." Evidence that tests have been fabricated? I'd like to know more | |||
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"What about the dishonest claims that the Swedish refusal to lockdown had led to deaths. Latest figures for deaths per 1m population: Sweden: 1460; UK: 2009; Italy: 2173; France: 1787. What's more, the Swedes never damaged their economy as lockdown countries did. Neither are they seeing an increase in deaths from other causes due to cancelling operations. Should people who attacked Sweden also be fined?" What about density of population? | |||
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"What about the dishonest claims that the Swedish refusal to lockdown had led to deaths. Latest figures for deaths per 1m population: Sweden: 1460; UK: 2009; Italy: 2173; France: 1787. What's more, the Swedes never damaged their economy as lockdown countries did. Neither are they seeing an increase in deaths from other causes due to cancelling operations. Should people who attacked Sweden also be fined?" Why compare Sweden with UK France and Italy. Why not Norway or finland which are much more similar countries. | |||
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"What about the dishonest claims that the Swedish refusal to lockdown had led to deaths. Latest figures for deaths per 1m population: Sweden: 1460; UK: 2009; Italy: 2173; France: 1787. What's more, the Swedes never damaged their economy as lockdown countries did. Neither are they seeing an increase in deaths from other causes due to cancelling operations. Should people who attacked Sweden also be fined?" You might find this article enlightening and clear up some of your confusion about Sweden. STOCKHOLM, Sept 7 (Reuters) - Sweden will push ahead with easing COVID-19 restrictions at the end of this month, removing most curbs and limits on public venues such as restaurants, theatres and stadiums, the government said on Tuesday. With most adults vaccinated, Sweden has gradually eased some restrictions during a summer lull in the pandemic. While it has seen infections mount in recent weeks amid the rapid spread of the more contagious Delta variant, deaths from the disease have remained low. Sweden has been an outlier in aspects of its handling of the disease, shunning hard lockdowns throughout the pandemic and relying heavily on voluntary recommendations regarding issues such as social distancing and hygiene. However, public gatherings such as concerts, sporting events and venues such as bars and restaurants have operated under tight crowd limits, curbs that are now set to be removed on Sept. 29, along with a recommendation to work from home. "The important message is that we now take further steps in the return to normal everyday life," Health and Social Affairs Minister Lena Hallengren told a news conference. "Our view has all the time been that restrictions should be lifted as soon as possible." Hallengren said the government was also looking into the possible use of vaccination certificates for some activities, though it hoped these would not be necessary to impose in a country with a long history of high vaccination rates. About 70% of Swedes aged 16 and above are fully vaccinated. Sweden has suffered many times more COVID-19 deaths per capita than its Nordic neighbours, which opted for tighter curbs during the initial waves of the pandemic, but less than many larger European countries that employed hard lockdowns. | |||
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"Ivermectin might be useful in humans such as River Blindness but when studies of it being used for COVID-19 are highlighted as fake or false then questions need to be asked of who is making money on the back of it.. Hydroxychloroquine?? Yes, there's been concerted campaigns to promote both, despite evidence against them working and evidence that studies have been fabricated. Questions certainly do need to be asked - why people would want to highlight drugs that don't seem to work, why there are organisations trying to override the scientific evidence, etc. I suppose this nonsense has been happening for years - it's the fact it's seen relative mainstream acceptance that's so worrying. Evidence that tests have been fabricated? I'd like to know more" It all over the internet. The most famous trial report was withdrawn once the data was looked and found to be an absolute mess and basically not worth taking any notice. There is a good article on the BBC today that talks about. If you want a more detailed explanation why that trial was ballot there was a good article at the time in the guardian. Be warned it quite dry and detailed. | |||
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"Ivermectin might be useful in humans such as River Blindness but when studies of it being used for COVID-19 are highlighted as fake or false then questions need to be asked of who is making money on the back of it.. Hydroxychloroquine?? Yes, there's been concerted campaigns to promote both, despite evidence against them working and evidence that studies have been fabricated. Questions certainly do need to be asked - why people would want to highlight drugs that don't seem to work, why there are organisations trying to override the scientific evidence, etc. I suppose this nonsense has been happening for years - it's the fact it's seen relative mainstream acceptance that's so worrying. Evidence that tests have been fabricated? I'd like to know more" https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns | |||
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"What about the dishonest claims that the Swedish refusal to lockdown had led to deaths. Latest figures for deaths per 1m population: Sweden: 1460; UK: 2009; Italy: 2173; France: 1787. What's more, the Swedes never damaged their economy as lockdown countries did. Neither are they seeing an increase in deaths from other causes due to cancelling operations. Should people who attacked Sweden also be fined? Why compare Sweden with UK France and Italy. Why not Norway or finland which are much more similar countries." Because the population density issue...which I presume you refer to is very similar in Sweden, UK, France, Italy. | |||
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"What about the dishonest claims that the Swedish refusal to lockdown had led to deaths. Latest figures for deaths per 1m population: Sweden: 1460; UK: 2009; Italy: 2173; France: 1787. What's more, the Swedes never damaged their economy as lockdown countries did. Neither are they seeing an increase in deaths from other causes due to cancelling operations. Should people who attacked Sweden also be fined? You might find this article enlightening and clear up some of your confusion about Sweden. STOCKHOLM, Sept 7 (Reuters) - Sweden will push ahead with easing COVID-19 restrictions at the end of this month, removing most curbs and limits on public venues such as restaurants, theatres and stadiums, the government said on Tuesday. With most adults vaccinated, Sweden has gradually eased some restrictions during a summer lull in the pandemic. While it has seen infections mount in recent weeks amid the rapid spread of the more contagious Delta variant, deaths from the disease have remained low. Sweden has been an outlier in aspects of its handling of the disease, shunning hard lockdowns throughout the pandemic and relying heavily on voluntary recommendations regarding issues such as social distancing and hygiene. However, public gatherings such as concerts, sporting events and venues such as bars and restaurants have operated under tight crowd limits, curbs that are now set to be removed on Sept. 29, along with a recommendation to work from home. "The important message is that we now take further steps in the return to normal everyday life," Health and Social Affairs Minister Lena Hallengren told a news conference. "Our view has all the time been that restrictions should be lifted as soon as possible." Hallengren said the government was also looking into the possible use of vaccination certificates for some activities, though it hoped these would not be necessary to impose in a country with a long history of high vaccination rates. About 70% of Swedes aged 16 and above are fully vaccinated. Sweden has suffered many times more COVID-19 deaths per capita than its Nordic neighbours, which opted for tighter curbs during the initial waves of the pandemic, but less than many larger European countries that employed hard lockdowns." Sweden never had the extreme lockdowns that many/most western countries had. Accordingly it has neither bankrupted itself or neglected other ill people | |||
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"Ivermectin might be useful in humans such as River Blindness but when studies of it being used for COVID-19 are highlighted as fake or false then questions need to be asked of who is making money on the back of it.. Hydroxychloroquine?? Yes, there's been concerted campaigns to promote both, despite evidence against them working and evidence that studies have been fabricated. Questions certainly do need to be asked - why people would want to highlight drugs that don't seem to work, why there are organisations trying to override the scientific evidence, etc. I suppose this nonsense has been happening for years - it's the fact it's seen relative mainstream acceptance that's so worrying. Evidence that tests have been fabricated? I'd like to know more It all over the internet. The most famous trial report was withdrawn once the data was looked and found to be an absolute mess and basically not worth taking any notice. There is a good article on the BBC today that talks about. If you want a more detailed explanation why that trial was ballot there was a good article at the time in the guardian. Be warned it quite dry and detailed." It is also 'all over the internet' that the UK trials were done incorrectly as zinc wasn't administered with the HCQ. Should people who report otherwise be fined...which is what the OP asks? | |||
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"Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK. The fact that Sweden has hundreds of miles of open country is irrelevant" Stockholm - 13,000 people living per square mile Manchester - 12,210 people living per square mile The difference is that Stockholm is by far and away the most densely populated Swedish city but Manchester is only the 9th most densely UK city. Sweden's second largest city, Gothenburg, has a density of 3,300 people living per square mile. The inner London borough of Tower Hamlets has a population density of 43,000 per square mile. Try again. | |||
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"Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK. The fact that Sweden has hundreds of miles of open country is irrelevant Stockholm - 13,000 people living per square mile Manchester - 12,210 people living per square mile The difference is that Stockholm is by far and away the most densely populated Swedish city but Manchester is only the 9th most densely UK city. Sweden's second largest city, Gothenburg, has a density of 3,300 people living per square mile. The inner London borough of Tower Hamlets has a population density of 43,000 per square mile. Try again." You have to look at the countries as a whole. By cherry picking cities you can prove any point you want | |||
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"Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK. The fact that Sweden has hundreds of miles of open country is irrelevant Stockholm - 13,000 people living per square mile Manchester - 12,210 people living per square mile The difference is that Stockholm is by far and away the most densely populated Swedish city but Manchester is only the 9th most densely UK city. Sweden's second largest city, Gothenburg, has a density of 3,300 people living per square mile. The inner London borough of Tower Hamlets has a population density of 43,000 per square mile. Try again. You have to look at the countries as a whole. By cherry picking cities you can prove any point you want" twjyve covers the two biggest cities and 20pc of Sweden. It's hardly cherry picking. | |||
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"Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK. The fact that Sweden has hundreds of miles of open country is irrelevant Stockholm - 13,000 people living per square mile Manchester - 12,210 people living per square mile The difference is that Stockholm is by far and away the most densely populated Swedish city but Manchester is only the 9th most densely UK city. Sweden's second largest city, Gothenburg, has a density of 3,300 people living per square mile. The inner London borough of Tower Hamlets has a population density of 43,000 per square mile. Try again. You have to look at the countries as a whole. By cherry picking cities you can prove any point you wanttwjyve covers the two biggest cities and 20pc of Sweden. It's hardly cherry picking. " It certainly looks like cherry picking. The person above refers to Tower Hamlets with a high population density. Does Sweden not have any high-density areas? And anyway, who says population density is the only factor at play? | |||
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"Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK. The fact that Sweden has hundreds of miles of open country is irrelevant Stockholm - 13,000 people living per square mile Manchester - 12,210 people living per square mile The difference is that Stockholm is by far and away the most densely populated Swedish city but Manchester is only the 9th most densely UK city. Sweden's second largest city, Gothenburg, has a density of 3,300 people living per square mile. The inner London borough of Tower Hamlets has a population density of 43,000 per square mile. Try again. You have to look at the countries as a whole. By cherry picking cities you can prove any point you want" Choosing Sweden over other countries could be also cherry picking. I can also cherry pick Israel. Using your earlier data, I add Israel too. Deaths per 1M of population. Shows that the strict lockdowns in Israel and the mass vaccination earlier than most countries and booster shots earlier than most countries worked amazingly well. Israel: 845 Sweden: 1460; UK: 2009; Italy: 2173; France: 1787. | |||
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"Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK. The fact that Sweden has hundreds of miles of open country is irrelevant Stockholm - 13,000 people living per square mile Manchester - 12,210 people living per square mile The difference is that Stockholm is by far and away the most densely populated Swedish city but Manchester is only the 9th most densely UK city. Sweden's second largest city, Gothenburg, has a density of 3,300 people living per square mile. The inner London borough of Tower Hamlets has a population density of 43,000 per square mile. Try again. You have to look at the countries as a whole. By cherry picking cities you can prove any point you wanttwjyve covers the two biggest cities and 20pc of Sweden. It's hardly cherry picking. It certainly looks like cherry picking. The person above refers to Tower Hamlets with a high population density. Does Sweden not have any high-density areas? And anyway, who says population density is the only factor at play?" fair in towers. The first point carried the argument imo. They countered the claim raised. That feels reasonable. | |||
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"Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK. The fact that Sweden has hundreds of miles of open country is irrelevant Stockholm - 13,000 people living per square mile Manchester - 12,210 people living per square mile The difference is that Stockholm is by far and away the most densely populated Swedish city but Manchester is only the 9th most densely UK city. Sweden's second largest city, Gothenburg, has a density of 3,300 people living per square mile. The inner London borough of Tower Hamlets has a population density of 43,000 per square mile. Try again. You have to look at the countries as a whole. By cherry picking cities you can prove any point you wanttwjyve covers the two biggest cities and 20pc of Sweden. It's hardly cherry picking. It certainly looks like cherry picking. The person above refers to Tower Hamlets with a high population density. Does Sweden not have any high-density areas? And anyway, who says population density is the only factor at play?fair in towers. The first point carried the argument imo. They countered the claim raised. That feels reasonable. " It wasn't me that raised the point about population density. To be frank I suspect that point is only raised to try to rubbish the Swedish experience | |||
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"Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK. The fact that Sweden has hundreds of miles of open country is irrelevant Stockholm - 13,000 people living per square mile Manchester - 12,210 people living per square mile The difference is that Stockholm is by far and away the most densely populated Swedish city but Manchester is only the 9th most densely UK city. Sweden's second largest city, Gothenburg, has a density of 3,300 people living per square mile. The inner London borough of Tower Hamlets has a population density of 43,000 per square mile. Try again. You have to look at the countries as a whole. By cherry picking cities you can prove any point you wanttwjyve covers the two biggest cities and 20pc of Sweden. It's hardly cherry picking. It certainly looks like cherry picking. The person above refers to Tower Hamlets with a high population density. Does Sweden not have any high-density areas? And anyway, who says population density is the only factor at play?fair in towers. The first point carried the argument imo. They countered the claim raised. That feels reasonable. It wasn't me that raised the point about population density. To be frank I suspect that point is only raised to try to rubbish the Swedish experience" what do you mean by rubbish ? Tbh I've lost track of the original point !!! | |||
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"Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK. The fact that Sweden has hundreds of miles of open country is irrelevant Stockholm - 13,000 people living per square mile Manchester - 12,210 people living per square mile The difference is that Stockholm is by far and away the most densely populated Swedish city but Manchester is only the 9th most densely UK city. Sweden's second largest city, Gothenburg, has a density of 3,300 people living per square mile. The inner London borough of Tower Hamlets has a population density of 43,000 per square mile. Try again. You have to look at the countries as a whole. By cherry picking cities you can prove any point you wanttwjyve covers the two biggest cities and 20pc of Sweden. It's hardly cherry picking. It certainly looks like cherry picking. The person above refers to Tower Hamlets with a high population density. Does Sweden not have any high-density areas? And anyway, who says population density is the only factor at play?fair in towers. The first point carried the argument imo. They countered the claim raised. That feels reasonable. It wasn't me that raised the point about population density. To be frank I suspect that point is only raised to try to rubbish the Swedish experiencewhat do you mean by rubbish ? Tbh I've lost track of the original point !!!" When I say people try to rubbish the Swedish experience I mean 'denigrate' | |||
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"What is event 201 ? Just some shite that someone made up and week minded fools buy into "That’s strange, I’ve actually watched it lol. It was a meeting set up to enact how the world would respond to a global pandemic, set up by no other than Bill Gates. But because the BBC News didn’t report it, it must not of happened. No one is asking you to wear a tin foil hat, we are just asking that you find your info from a source other than mainstream media. It really isn’t hard | |||
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"What is event 201 ? Just some shite that someone made up and week minded fools buy into
That’s strange, I’ve actually watched it lol. It was a meeting set up to enact how the world would respond to a global pandemic, set up by no other than Bill Gates. But because the BBC News didn’t report it, it must not of happened. No one is asking you to wear a tin foil hat, we are just asking that you find your info from a source other than mainstream media. It really isn’t hard"Yes, but that's not how it's being "sold". It's being used negativity as a way to "prove" that Bill Gates was involved in this "plandemic" to control the masses. Which is clearly nonsense. | |||
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"What is event 201 ? Just some shite that someone made up and week minded fools buy into
That’s strange, I’ve actually watched it lol. It was a meeting set up to enact how the world would respond to a global pandemic, set up by no other than Bill Gates. But because the BBC News didn’t report it, it must not of happened. No one is asking you to wear a tin foil hat, we are just asking that you find your info from a source other than mainstream media. It really isn’t hard
Yes, but that's not how it's being "sold". It's being used negativity as a way to "prove" that Bill Gates was involved in this "plandemic" to control the masses. Which is clearly nonsense. "Yes, but some people really believe that and advance it in good faith. Who knows, they may yet be proved right. We only find out these things when the history books are written. Yet this thread's OP raises the question of whether people who advance such claims should be fined. But who knows what the truth is... until the history books are written Such fines would represent ugly authoritarianism and it is alarming that some people would support them | |||
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"What is event 201 ? Just some shite that someone made up and week minded fools buy into
That’s strange, I’ve actually watched it lol. It was a meeting set up to enact how the world would respond to a global pandemic, set up by no other than Bill Gates. But because the BBC News didn’t report it, it must not of happened. No one is asking you to wear a tin foil hat, we are just asking that you find your info from a source other than mainstream media. It really isn’t hard
Yes, but that's not how it's being "sold". It's being used negativity as a way to "prove" that Bill Gates was involved in this "plandemic" to control the masses. Which is clearly nonsense. "How do you know it's nonsense? did fact check tell you that? lol, no one knows, we can only link evidence together and make our own conclusions. Some are better at that than others. | |||
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"Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK. The fact that Sweden has hundreds of miles of open country is irrelevant" ------------------------ "....Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK....." ------------------------------ Do you realise that during the second wave Sweden locked down in some of those Urban areas you refer to? Yes Sweden locked down in some of its Urban areas like Uppsala and Malmo. And they decided to lock down when they realised that their initial no-lockdown strategy was a failure. Besides population density is not the only thing to take into account when comparing countries. You need to consider other factors like the lifestyle, culture, social structure, access to healthcare, adherence to rules etc etc. So when making comparisons between countries, you need to compare countries with similar demographics - like the ones I have highlighted above. In that regard it doesn't make sense to compare Sweden with the UK. Sweden is best compared to its Nordic neighbours who have similar demographics. And when you compare Sweden with its Nordic Neighbours during the pandemic: -Sweden has the highest death rate per capita, - the highest number of infections, -plus they’ve had a worse economic (GDP) outcome compared to other Nordic countries that locked down. - they have also experienced an increase in unemployment up to 9%, the worst in the Nordics. | |||
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"Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK. The fact that Sweden has hundreds of miles of open country is irrelevant ------------------------ "....Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK....." ------------------------------ Do you realise that during the second wave Sweden locked down in some of those Urban areas you refer to? Yes Sweden locked down in some of its Urban areas like Uppsala and Malmo. And they decided to lock down when they realised that their initial no-lockdown strategy was a failure. Besides population density is not the only thing to take into account when comparing countries. You need to consider other factors like the lifestyle, culture, social structure, access to healthcare, adherence to rules etc etc. So when making comparisons between countries, you need to compare countries with similar demographics - like the ones I have highlighted above. In that regard it doesn't make sense to compare Sweden with the UK. Sweden is best compared to its Nordic neighbours who have similar demographics. And when you compare Sweden with its Nordic Neighbours during the pandemic: -Sweden has the highest death rate per capita, - the highest number of infections, -plus they’ve had a worse economic (GDP) outcome compared to other Nordic countries that locked down. - they have also experienced an increase in unemployment up to 9%, the worst in the Nordics. " Sweden had partial lockdowns. Nothing like as extreme as the UK suffered. They haven't damaged their economy or abandoned other sick people | |||
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"What is event 201 ? Just some shite that someone made up and week minded fools buy into
That’s strange, I’ve actually watched it lol. It was a meeting set up to enact how the world would respond to a global pandemic, set up by no other than Bill Gates. But because the BBC News didn’t report it, it must not of happened. No one is asking you to wear a tin foil hat, we are just asking that you find your info from a source other than mainstream media. It really isn’t hard"The bbc and the telegraph and a lot of other placesdid report on the event 201 exercise at the time. | |||
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"Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK. The fact that Sweden has hundreds of miles of open country is irrelevant ------------------------ "....Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK....." ------------------------------ Do you realise that during the second wave Sweden locked down in some of those Urban areas you refer to? Yes Sweden locked down in some of its Urban areas like Uppsala and Malmo. And they decided to lock down when they realised that their initial no-lockdown strategy was a failure. Besides population density is not the only thing to take into account when comparing countries. You need to consider other factors like the lifestyle, culture, social structure, access to healthcare, adherence to rules etc etc. So when making comparisons between countries, you need to compare countries with similar demographics - like the ones I have highlighted above. In that regard it doesn't make sense to compare Sweden with the UK. Sweden is best compared to its Nordic neighbours who have similar demographics. And when you compare Sweden with its Nordic Neighbours during the pandemic: -Sweden has the highest death rate per capita, - the highest number of infections, -plus they’ve had a worse economic (GDP) outcome compared to other Nordic countries that locked down. - they have also experienced an increase in unemployment up to 9%, the worst in the Nordics. Sweden had partial lockdowns. Nothing like as extreme as the UK suffered. They haven't damaged their economy or abandoned other sick people" Perhaps provide exact figures, to marry with your disputes | |||
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"Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK. The fact that Sweden has hundreds of miles of open country is irrelevant ------------------------ "....Most Swedish people live in urban areas where population density is very similar to that of the UK....." ------------------------------ Do you realise that during the second wave Sweden locked down in some of those Urban areas you refer to? Yes Sweden locked down in some of its Urban areas like Uppsala and Malmo. And they decided to lock down when they realised that their initial no-lockdown strategy was a failure. Besides population density is not the only thing to take into account when comparing countries. You need to consider other factors like the lifestyle, culture, social structure, access to healthcare, adherence to rules etc etc. So when making comparisons between countries, you need to compare countries with similar demographics - like the ones I have highlighted above. In that regard it doesn't make sense to compare Sweden with the UK. Sweden is best compared to its Nordic neighbours who have similar demographics. And when you compare Sweden with its Nordic Neighbours during the pandemic: -Sweden has the highest death rate per capita, - the highest number of infections, -plus they’ve had a worse economic (GDP) outcome compared to other Nordic countries that locked down. - they have also experienced an increase in unemployment up to 9%, the worst in the Nordics. Sweden had partial lockdowns. Nothing like as extreme as the UK suffered. They haven't damaged their economy or abandoned other sick people" "...Sweden had partial lockdowns. Nothing like as extreme as the UK suffered. They haven't damaged their economy or abandoned other sick people..." -------------------- Why would Sweden need to lockdown the whole country, when large parts of the country is either inhabited or sparsely populated?? And that is why it doesn't make sense to compare Sweden to the UK when the population distribution in those two countries is so vastly different. And besides, Sweden locked down in some of its urban areas like I said, the same way we had local lockdowns over here in the UK. Sweden's economy was affected during the pandemic, worse than its neighbours who locked down. And in terms of Sweden's economy: Between April-to-June 2020 ( Covid First wave) Sweden’s economy shrank by 8.6% . Its Nordic neighbours who locked down had less impact to their economy Norway = 7.1% Denmark =7.4% Finland = 3.2% | |||
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