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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Girl aged 15 no health issues dies with Covid on day she was due vaccine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-58772671
Such an awful loss I feel so bad for the parents and her family.
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By *yron69Man
over a year ago
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I just read it. Very tragic and worrying for our youngsters. At an age when most of us took life for granted this happy girl fell ill and never recovered. Absolutely awful and shows how much we still need to try and protect our fellow human beings. |
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This is very sad, if we had started vaccinating teens earlier, like so many other countries (USA, Ireland, France, Brazil etc) she would probably still be with her family 
I did read that she had a rare heart inflammation caused by covid, it may be that she would have had this as a side effect from the vaccine, but it would almost certainly have been treatable. |
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"This is very sad, if we had started vaccinating teens earlier, like so many other countries (USA, Ireland, France, Brazil etc) she would probably still be with her family
I did read that she had a rare heart inflammation caused by covid, it may be that she would have had this as a side effect from the vaccine, but it would almost certainly have been treatable. "
If the underlying reason was due to a rare heart issue (myocarditis?) Which she was at risk of then she should have been prioritised for the jab
On the other hand, so many people go through life with these underlying conditions without even knowing
And arguably she could have been at risk from the vaccine too
A terrible catch 22. |
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By *onksoozeCouple
over a year ago
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Astra Zeneca didnt advise the vaccine for under 18s or childbearing age folks. Still not enough time to know the long term effects. I know this because I studied their vaccine for my training. Very sad for the family left behind but this virus effects everybody differently. She may have died with the vaccine. No one knows what might have happened. |
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"Astra Zeneca didnt advise the vaccine for under 18s or childbearing age folks. Still not enough time to know the long term effects. I know this because I studied their vaccine for my training. Very sad for the family left behind but this virus effects everybody differently. She may have died with the vaccine. No one knows what might have happened. "
She would have not received AZ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'll repeat: myocarditis is a rare but known complication of covid infection.
Myocarditis is a much-rarer, but known, side-effect of covid vaccination.
Your chance of thrombosis/myocarditis are both much higher from the infection. |
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"I've just recovered from COVID no oxygen required very few symptoms but a brain Ct scan revealed a large cyst that needs surgery."
Hope the surgery goes well
A silver lining
I randomly had a stomach ulcer pre covid and during testing for that (which was fixed with a course of antibiotics) it was discovered I had a kidney problem that required surgery. Nearly lost the kidney
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It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that. |
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"Astra Zeneca didnt advise the vaccine for under 18s or childbearing age folks. Still not enough time to know the long term effects. I know this because I studied their vaccine for my training. Very sad for the family left behind but this virus effects everybody differently. She may have died with the vaccine. No one knows what might have happened. "
Thankfully there has been more than enough time to know the results of not getting vaccinated. Clogging up hospitals with serious illness, avoidably making waiting lists get longer for other treatments, avoidable mental health crises, other health problems getting worse for others and some will die of other conditions because of insistence not to get vaccinated, as just some of those absolutely already known things. People getting infected also develop organ damage and failures, which is not a great foundation for their own nor others' futures. Just those long term health damages will damage the country for decades, costing dearly. I assume some of those resisting a vaccine don't want to think of those 'long term effects', burying their heads in the dirt. |
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"very sad but how many 15 year old girls are there who have not had the vaccine and have not died."
She hasn't had the vaccine, the OP says she died of covid before she was due to have the vaccine. |
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"very sad but how many 15 year old girls are there who have not had the vaccine and have not died."
This one.
And do we say "very sad but" when children die of other things?
It's very sad but most kids don't die of cancer/full body burns/terrorism/malnutrition. |
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"It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that. "
You've got at least 3 months from now to reach immunity from any vaccine, that puts you into 2022, it's estimated that by December the current spread rate will be thru the population by Xmas.
There is definitely a need for vaccination in many other countries, we really don't need to vaccinate under 15 year olds, there risk is 50/50 from vaccine to COVID, they have a hospitalisation rate according to the ONS of 7 per 100k.
This rush by adults to vaccinate children for the adults safety is borderline child abuse. |
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Takes 14 days for the vaccine to take affect, takes 7 to 14 days to develop symptoms.
So the vaccine was 3-4 weeks too late, if the vaccine didn't kill her or died from covid anyway as vaccinated people can die too. Plus for some people the first vaccine is doing nothing, so really the vaccine was probably 2 and a half to three months too late.
Saying all that I am not sure why the media wants to make it look like she was a day away from being saved. Is it to try and scare young people and their parents into getting the vaccine?
Because up till now we were told to totally ignore the risks to children as the deaths were rare. |
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"I'll repeat: myocarditis is a rare but known complication of covid infection.
Myocarditis is a much-rarer, but known, side-effect of covid vaccination.
Your chance of thrombosis/myocarditis are both much higher from the infection."
So if you combine the two, the side effect and the complication, myocarditis seems to be a less rare possibility? |
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By *onksoozeCouple
over a year ago
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I dont know, I was generalising, If one is not recommending?! The other vaccines change your DNA so I'd imagine they were more of a possible risk of unknown long term effects for youngsters and childbearing age folks.  |
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"I dont know, I was generalising, If one is not recommending?! The other vaccines change your DNA so I'd imagine they were more of a possible risk of unknown long term effects for youngsters and childbearing age folks. "
You studied the vaccine for your training, yet you come out with this?? What was the training in? Spreading anti-vaccine myths? Can you please explain the biological mechanism by which the vaccine (you don't state which one(s)) change DNA? |
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"Takes 14 days for the vaccine to take affect, takes 7 to 14 days to develop symptoms.
So the vaccine was 3-4 weeks too late, if the vaccine didn't kill her or died from covid anyway as vaccinated people can die too. Plus for some people the first vaccine is doing nothing, so really the vaccine was probably 2 and a half to three months too late.
Saying all that I am not sure why the media wants to make it look like she was a day away from being saved. Is it to try and scare young people and their parents into getting the vaccine?
Because up till now we were told to totally ignore the risks to children as the deaths were rare."
She didn't have the vaccine |
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"I dont know, I was generalising, If one is not recommending?! The other vaccines change your DNA so I'd imagine they were more of a possible risk of unknown long term effects for youngsters and childbearing age folks. "
the covid vaccines don't change your dna. Which ones do you say change your dna please? |
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"It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that. "
Incredibly crass to use this tragic but incredibly rare incident as yet another opportunity to push your usual one-sided agenda.
Truly shameful behaviour. |
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"It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that.
Incredibly crass to use this tragic but incredibly rare incident as yet another opportunity to push your usual one-sided agenda.
Truly shameful behaviour."
What agenda?
This news is all over the maistream media. But niot everyone is reading the mainstream media. Some are under the impression there is zero risk. This shows there is no zero risk.
As for on sided agenda, you can refer to the non maistream media and check which ones have covered this news. Most likely they have not. And this answers which media are the one sided ones. The ones that intentionally avoid mentioning such news.
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"It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that.
Incredibly crass to use this tragic but incredibly rare incident as yet another opportunity to push your usual one-sided agenda.
Truly shameful behaviour.
What agenda?
This news is all over the maistream media. But niot everyone is reading the mainstream media. Some are under the impression there is zero risk. This shows there is no zero risk.
As for on sided agenda, you can refer to the non maistream media and check which ones have covered this news. Most likely they have not. And this answers which media are the one sided ones. The ones that intentionally avoid mentioning such news.
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Some are under the impression there is zero risk
Bit some labour under the risk that Covid is an instant death sentence, and it is not. The survival rate is still over 99%
Other communicable diseases can kill (such as flu) so as always, a balanced view is imperative
Could it kill you? Yes
Will it definitely kill you? No |
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"It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that.
Incredibly crass to use this tragic but incredibly rare incident as yet another opportunity to push your usual one-sided agenda.
Truly shameful behaviour."
tbf when the BBC reporter died from the vaccine it was reported.
The unfortunate coincidence meant that there was an angle. Just like the fact the reporter was from the BBC (who love reporting on their own). Is this a covid agenda ? Or just when it comes to news, you need an interesting story... |
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You could die in a traffic accident (regardless of how good a driver you are, accident's happen) but I assume you still use your car as and when, like the rest of the world
We all accept risks daily
Oddly enough, one of the biggest risk factors relating to Covid is obesity, yet I've still not seen a huge drive to get people fitter.
There was an 'anti obesity drive' mentioned by Johnson after his Covid scare, and then a couple of day's later the government did their 'eat out to help out' scheme and encouraged half price takeaways lol |
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"You could die in a traffic accident (regardless of how good a driver you are, accident's happen) but I assume you still use your car as and when, like the rest of the world
We all accept risks daily
Oddly enough, one of the biggest risk factors relating to Covid is obesity, yet I've still not seen a huge drive to get people fitter.
There was an 'anti obesity drive' mentioned by Johnson after his Covid scare, and then a couple of day's later the government did their 'eat out to help out' scheme and encouraged half price takeaways lol"
this works both ways... I suspect ppl struggle here as it's not risk (crash) v reward (get to where you want to) more minimisation of risk (dying from Covid v dying from vaccine) for the same reward (not dying). |
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"It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that.
Incredibly crass to use this tragic but incredibly rare incident as yet another opportunity to push your usual one-sided agenda.
Truly shameful behaviour.
What agenda?
This news is all over the maistream media. But niot everyone is reading the mainstream media. Some are under the impression there is zero risk. This shows there is no zero risk.
As for on sided agenda, you can refer to the non maistream media and check which ones have covered this news. Most likely they have not. And this answers which media are the one sided ones. The ones that intentionally avoid mentioning such news.
Some are under the impression there is zero risk
Bit some labour under the risk that Covid is an instant death sentence, and it is not. The survival rate is still over 99%
Other communicable diseases can kill (such as flu) so as always, a balanced view is imperative
Could it kill you? Yes
Will it definitely kill you? No"
It is not a death sentence but we do not know with certainty who will be hit hard.
We know that eldery and immunocompromised are more likely to be hit hard but younger and healthy can be hit hard too. Some choose to ignore this. And they also choose to ignore many people who get hospitalised but survive and develop ailments due to covid.
Also, I am not so sure whether the survival rate would be 99% without the vaccines (esp. with this delta varriant).
Flu is infecting many but it not killing as many as covid.
And it seems that the Delta varriant is infecting easier and faster than the flu.
Therefore it is good to exercise caution.
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"You could die in a traffic accident (regardless of how good a driver you are, accident's happen) but I assume you still use your car as and when, like the rest of the world
We all accept risks daily
Oddly enough, one of the biggest risk factors relating to Covid is obesity, yet I've still not seen a huge drive to get people fitter.
There was an 'anti obesity drive' mentioned by Johnson after his Covid scare, and then a couple of day's later the government did their 'eat out to help out' scheme and encouraged half price takeaways lol"
I do not think that this is a good comparison. The traffic accident numbers are nowhere near the covid numbers.
There were 1,752 reported road deaths in 2019.
There were 25,945 serious injuries in road traffic accidents reported to the police in 2019.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/922717/reported-road-casualties-annual-report-2019.pdf
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"It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that. "
This is the thing that makes me so cross when I hear people talking about how their choice not to have the vaccine only affects them. It really doesn’t. |
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"You could die in a traffic accident (regardless of how good a driver you are, accident's happen) but I assume you still use your car as and when, like the rest of the world
We all accept risks daily
Oddly enough, one of the biggest risk factors relating to Covid is obesity, yet I've still not seen a huge drive to get people fitter.
There was an 'anti obesity drive' mentioned by Johnson after his Covid scare, and then a couple of day's later the government did their 'eat out to help out' scheme and encouraged half price takeaways lol
I do not think that this is a good comparison. The traffic accident numbers are nowhere near the covid numbers.
There were 1,752 reported road deaths in 2019.
There were 25,945 serious injuries in road traffic accidents reported to the police in 2019.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/922717/reported-road-casualties-annual-report-2019.pdf
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And those figures to you represent a reasonable risk
And the Covid figures to me represent a reasonable risk
You're beliefs and opinions are no more valid than mine, or anyone elses |
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"You could die in a traffic accident (regardless of how good a driver you are, accident's happen) but I assume you still use your car as and when, like the rest of the world
We all accept risks daily
Oddly enough, one of the biggest risk factors relating to Covid is obesity, yet I've still not seen a huge drive to get people fitter.
There was an 'anti obesity drive' mentioned by Johnson after his Covid scare, and then a couple of day's later the government did their 'eat out to help out' scheme and encouraged half price takeaways lol
I do not think that this is a good comparison. The traffic accident numbers are nowhere near the covid numbers.
There were 1,752 reported road deaths in 2019.
There were 25,945 serious injuries in road traffic accidents reported to the police in 2019.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/922717/reported-road-casualties-annual-report-2019.pdf
And those figures to you represent a reasonable risk
And the Covid figures to me represent a reasonable risk
You're beliefs and opinions are no more valid than mine, or anyone elses"
Obviously the covid figures do not represent a reasonable risk for the government or most governments but a significant risk, hence the strict measures.
Flu and traffic accidents do not bring hospitals to their knees. Add other conditions too, cancer, strokes etc. All together do not bring hospitals to their knees as it happened with covid. |
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"It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that.
Incredibly crass to use this tragic but incredibly rare incident as yet another opportunity to push your usual one-sided agenda.
Truly shameful behaviour."
We're each of us in the same position primarily, where we are subject to, as well as affecting the well-being of others and the country as a whole. A minority of us cannot have a vaccine, so they are dependent on the rest of us to help create a more secure environment for them. The agenda you mention is presumably shared by everyone - getting as far away from the worst of this catastrophe as possible.
1 massive current hangover from this crisis is the gigantic NHS treatment queue. It will get much bigger, if the levels of largely unvaccinated people in hospital swells even further. That's avoidable. This tragic young woman who died may have been much more fortunate, had she had her vaccines sooner than her planned date. |
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This story is so sad that poor young girl. Can i just say though im currently really ill with covid and have just been in hospital i had my jabs back in March and its still hit me hard obviously i couldn't guess whether i would have been worse off without the vaccine but please don't think anyone is immune even if they are healthy and have been vaccinated  |
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"You could die in a traffic accident (regardless of how good a driver you are, accident's happen) but I assume you still use your car as and when, like the rest of the world
We all accept risks daily
Oddly enough, one of the biggest risk factors relating to Covid is obesity, yet I've still not seen a huge drive to get people fitter.
There was an 'anti obesity drive' mentioned by Johnson after his Covid scare, and then a couple of day's later the government did their 'eat out to help out' scheme and encouraged half price takeaways lol
I do not think that this is a good comparison. The traffic accident numbers are nowhere near the covid numbers.
There were 1,752 reported road deaths in 2019.
There were 25,945 serious injuries in road traffic accidents reported to the police in 2019.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/922717/reported-road-casualties-annual-report-2019.pdf
And those figures to you represent a reasonable risk
And the Covid figures to me represent a reasonable risk
You're beliefs and opinions are no more valid than mine, or anyone elses
Obviously the covid figures do not represent a reasonable risk for the government or most governments but a significant risk, hence the strict measures.
Flu and traffic accidents do not bring hospitals to their knees. Add other conditions too, cancer, strokes etc. All together do not bring hospitals to their knees as it happened with covid."
Covid has only caused such problems to the NHS because of the continued poor management and funding wrought by successive governments
The NHS had been at risk every fucking winter for as long as I care to remember
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"You could die in a traffic accident (regardless of how good a driver you are, accident's happen) but I assume you still use your car as and when, like the rest of the world
We all accept risks daily
Oddly enough, one of the biggest risk factors relating to Covid is obesity, yet I've still not seen a huge drive to get people fitter.
There was an 'anti obesity drive' mentioned by Johnson after his Covid scare, and then a couple of day's later the government did their 'eat out to help out' scheme and encouraged half price takeaways lol
I do not think that this is a good comparison. The traffic accident numbers are nowhere near the covid numbers.
There were 1,752 reported road deaths in 2019.
There were 25,945 serious injuries in road traffic accidents reported to the police in 2019.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/922717/reported-road-casualties-annual-report-2019.pdf
And those figures to you represent a reasonable risk
And the Covid figures to me represent a reasonable risk
You're beliefs and opinions are no more valid than mine, or anyone elses
Obviously the covid figures do not represent a reasonable risk for the government or most governments but a significant risk, hence the strict measures.
Flu and traffic accidents do not bring hospitals to their knees. Add other conditions too, cancer, strokes etc. All together do not bring hospitals to their knees as it happened with covid.
Covid has only caused such problems to the NHS because of the continued poor management and funding wrought by successive governments
The NHS had been at risk every fucking winter for as long as I care to remember
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I am not talking only about NHS. Many health systems in the western world were brought to their knees due to covid. US, Belgium, italy, etc. |
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"This story is so sad that poor young girl. Can i just say though im currently really ill with covid and have just been in hospital i had my jabs back in March and its still hit me hard obviously i couldn't guess whether i would have been worse off without the vaccine but please don't think anyone is immune even if they are healthy and have been vaccinated "
Sorry to hear this… I hope you feel a lot better very soon. |
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"It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that.
This is the thing that makes me so cross when I hear people talking about how their choice not to have the vaccine only affects them. It really doesn’t."
The situation is a complex one. Also consider that some people on that hospital waiting list (and "being blocked by people who are ill due to not having been vaccinated") are there through their lifestyle choices, smoking, drinking, poor diet, lack of exercise, injury through doing exercise, road traffic "accident", and the list goes on.
It's easy to focus in on one thing and label it as the cause of all problems, but situations are often far more complex. |
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"It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that.
This is the thing that makes me so cross when I hear people talking about how their choice not to have the vaccine only affects them. It really doesn’t.
The situation is a complex one. Also consider that some people on that hospital waiting list (and "being blocked by people who are ill due to not having been vaccinated") are there through their lifestyle choices, smoking, drinking, poor diet, lack of exercise, injury through doing exercise, road traffic "accident", and the list goes on.
It's easy to focus in on one thing and label it as the cause of all problems, but situations are often far more complex."
Some probably are, you’re right. Some have terrible illnesses through no fault of their own though. Some, like me, are waiting for infertility treatment, that’s not my fault. We were referred at the start of the year, still waiting, but because my 40th birthday has happened whilst I wait I now get only 1 go at IVF instead of a possible 3 because once you hit 40 it all changes. The delays are affecting millions of people who didn’t bring on themselves and it has a devastating, heartbreaking impact. |
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By *anny77Man
over a year ago
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"I dont know, I was generalising, If one is not recommending?! The other vaccines change your DNA so I'd imagine they were more of a possible risk of unknown long term effects for youngsters and childbearing age folks. "
Wait a minute you said you studied the vaccine and now you’re saying it changes DNA.
It doesn’t! It absolutely doesn’t!!
Bloody hell! |
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"I dont know, I was generalising, If one is not recommending?! The other vaccines change your DNA so I'd imagine they were more of a possible risk of unknown long term effects for youngsters and childbearing age folks.
Wait a minute you said you studied the vaccine and now you’re saying it changes DNA.
It doesn’t! It absolutely doesn’t!!
Bloody hell!"
Mate there are some messed up people on this site. Since making this thread I've received a number of PMs telling me it was covid but the vaccines who killed this poor child. One person was laying all the blame at the child's door.
This pandemic has definitely brought out the nutters into sharp focus.
KJ |
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"I dont know, I was generalising, If one is not recommending?! The other vaccines change your DNA so I'd imagine they were more of a possible risk of unknown long term effects for youngsters and childbearing age folks. "
Christ have a read about DNA...
wrong emoji too - your statement is more this  |
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"It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that.
You've got at least 3 months from now to reach immunity from any vaccine, that puts you into 2022, it's estimated that by December the current spread rate will be thru the population by Xmas.
There is definitely a need for vaccination in many other countries, we really don't need to vaccinate under 15 year olds, there risk is 50/50 from vaccine to COVID, they have a hospitalisation rate according to the ONS of 7 per 100k.
This rush by adults to vaccinate children for the adults safety is borderline child abuse."
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"I dont know, I was generalising, If one is not recommending?! The other vaccines change your DNA so I'd imagine they were more of a possible risk of unknown long term effects for youngsters and childbearing age folks.
Christ have a read about DNA...
wrong emoji too - your statement is more this "
Yes everyone should read about DNA. Then they would know that none of vaccines can have any chance of changing your DNA. The risk of long term effects for children and people of child bearing age is much more likely from a natural covid infection than any vaccine. |
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"It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that.
You've got at least 3 months from now to reach immunity from any vaccine, that puts you into 2022, it's estimated that by December the current spread rate will be thru the population by Xmas.
There is definitely a need for vaccination in many other countries, we really don't need to vaccinate under 15 year olds, there risk is 50/50 from vaccine to COVID, they have a hospitalisation rate according to the ONS of 7 per 100k.
This rush by adults to vaccinate children for the adults safety is borderline child abuse.
exactly this "
where did the 50/50 risk come from ? I'm not sure what it covers. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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"This story is so sad that poor young girl. Can i just say though im currently really ill with covid and have just been in hospital i had my jabs back in March and its still hit me hard obviously i couldn't guess whether i would have been worse off without the vaccine but please don't think anyone is immune even if they are healthy and have been vaccinated "
Gosh that's awful.
Sending hugs and hope you recover really soon
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By *anny77Man
over a year ago
glasgow |
"I dont know, I was generalising, If one is not recommending?! The other vaccines change your DNA so I'd imagine they were more of a possible risk of unknown long term effects for youngsters and childbearing age folks.
Wait a minute you said you studied the vaccine and now you’re saying it changes DNA.
It doesn’t! It absolutely doesn’t!!
Bloody hell!
Mate there are some messed up people on this site. Since making this thread I've received a number of PMs telling me it was covid but the vaccines who killed this poor child. One person was laying all the blame at the child's door.
This pandemic has definitely brought out the nutters into sharp focus.
KJ"
You’re right there! |
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By *anny77Man
over a year ago
glasgow |
"I dont know, I was generalising, If one is not recommending?! The other vaccines change your DNA so I'd imagine they were more of a possible risk of unknown long term effects for youngsters and childbearing age folks.
Wait a minute you said you studied the vaccine and now you’re saying it changes DNA.
It doesn’t! It absolutely doesn’t!!
Bloody hell!
Mate there are some messed up people on this site. Since making this thread I've received a number of PMs telling me it was covid but the vaccines who killed this poor child. One person was laying all the blame at the child's door.
This pandemic has definitely brought out the nutters into sharp focus.
KJ"
Didn’t know the vaccine was so toxic to some people that it could kill them before they got it! |
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"I dont know, I was generalising, If one is not recommending?! The other vaccines change your DNA so I'd imagine they were more of a possible risk of unknown long term effects for youngsters and childbearing age folks.
Wait a minute you said you studied the vaccine and now you’re saying it changes DNA.
It doesn’t! It absolutely doesn’t!!
Bloody hell!
Mate there are some messed up people on this site. Since making this thread I've received a number of PMs telling me it was covid but the vaccines who killed this poor child. One person was laying all the blame at the child's door.
This pandemic has definitely brought out the nutters into sharp focus.
KJ
Didn’t know the vaccine was so toxic to some people that it could kill them before they got it!"
Don’t know the details or care to be honest. But just for your information even when physically jabbed with two vaccines your not officially vaccinated until two weeks later.  |
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"I dont know, I was generalising, If one is not recommending?! The other vaccines change your DNA so I'd imagine they were more of a possible risk of unknown long term effects for youngsters and childbearing age folks.
Wait a minute you said you studied the vaccine and now you’re saying it changes DNA.
It doesn’t! It absolutely doesn’t!!
Bloody hell!
Mate there are some messed up people on this site. Since making this thread I've received a number of PMs telling me it was covid but the vaccines who killed this poor child. One person was laying all the blame at the child's door.
This pandemic has definitely brought out the nutters into sharp focus.
KJ
Didn’t know the vaccine was so toxic to some people that it could kill them before they got it!"
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"It is awfully sad and shows the risks for any adult who isn't vaccinated to be very real. I definitely see this as what should be an alarm call to those who haven't had a full vaccination course, assuming that they are strong and healthy. There seems to be no reasoning with some people, who seem happy to leave others behind, trying to cope with avoidable grief, if they have died or been in the chain of transmission leading to others' deaths. Scary.
With winter causing more people to be associating indoors, it's a point now of helping to stop serious illness and deaths, by vaccinating early.
NHS queues are too long and each unvaccinated person is stopping others from getting treatment for other conditions. I couldn't live with that.
You've got at least 3 months from now to reach immunity from any vaccine, that puts you into 2022, it's estimated that by December the current spread rate will be thru the population by Xmas.
There is definitely a need for vaccination in many other countries, we really don't need to vaccinate under 15 year olds, there risk is 50/50 from vaccine to COVID, they have a hospitalisation rate according to the ONS of 7 per 100k.
This rush by adults to vaccinate children for the adults safety is borderline child abuse.
exactly this where did the 50/50 risk come from ? I'm not sure what it covers. "
JVCIs conclusions from risks from vaccines to risk from sars-cov2, based on serious side effects to death. |
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Your argument is totally flawed. I've not been vaccinated as I am a healthy person. So be my guest and have mine. Surely a healthy person is safer going without as oppose to taking a vaccine that doesn't work and in the case of the mrna shot actually alters your genetic code.People like you are scaremongering and your opinions are shocking. Watch event 201 and then comment. |
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"Your argument is totally flawed. I've not been vaccinated as I am a healthy person. So be my guest and have mine. Surely a healthy person is safer going without as oppose to taking a vaccine that doesn't work and in the case of the mrna shot actually alters your genetic code.People like you are scaremongering and your opinions are shocking. Watch event 201 and then comment. "
I don't even know where to start with the nonsense in this post. Absolute garbage! |
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I saw the other day Sweden Denmark and Ontario province are all removing Modena from under 30s although I think ones removing it for under 20s only.
Myocarditis and pericarditis are both cited as reasons. |
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By *anny77Man
over a year ago
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"Your argument is totally flawed. I've not been vaccinated as I am a healthy person. So be my guest and have mine. Surely a healthy person is safer going without as oppose to taking a vaccine that doesn't work and in the case of the mrna shot actually alters your genetic code.People like you are scaremongering and your opinions are shocking. Watch event 201 and then comment.
I don't even know where to start with the nonsense in this post. Absolute garbage! "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Your argument is totally flawed. I've not been vaccinated as I am a healthy person. So be my guest and have mine. Surely a healthy person is safer going without as oppose to taking a vaccine that doesn't work and in the case of the mrna shot actually alters your genetic code.People like you are scaremongering and your opinions are shocking. Watch event 201 and then comment. "
What does it change your genetic code to? |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"Your argument is totally flawed. I've not been vaccinated as I am a healthy person. So be my guest and have mine. Surely a healthy person is safer going without as oppose to taking a vaccine that doesn't work and in the case of the mrna shot actually alters your genetic code.People like you are scaremongering and your opinions are shocking. Watch event 201 and then comment.
What does it change your genetic code to? "
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"Died of covid, or with?
The difference is hugeBBC report say of/from.
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Of/from seems very early to be sure, no autopsy will have been carried out that quickly and 4 days from testing positive from sars-cov2 to death is certainly outside the norm. |
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"Your argument is totally flawed. I've not been vaccinated as I am a healthy person. So be my guest and have mine. Surely a healthy person is safer going without as oppose to taking a vaccine that doesn't work and in the case of the mrna shot actually alters your genetic code.People like you are scaremongering and your opinions are shocking. Watch event 201 and then comment. "
This could be a follow up to 50 shades of grey.
6 lines of shite |
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"Your argument is totally flawed. I've not been vaccinated as I am a healthy person. So be my guest and have mine. Surely a healthy person is safer going without as oppose to taking a vaccine that doesn't work and in the case of the mrna shot actually alters your genetic code.People like you are scaremongering and your opinions are shocking. Watch event 201 and then comment.
This could be a follow up to 50 shades of grey.
6 lines of shite "
So much rubbish, posted by one person, the Green Arrow makes interesting reading.  |
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"Died of covid, or with?
The difference is hugeBBC report say of/from.
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Of/from seems very early to be sure, no autopsy will have been carried out that quickly and 4 days from testing positive from sars-cov2 to death is certainly outside the norm."
sudden death of a 15yo is outside the norm.
You're right to have a degree of scepticism until proven. But is this from Covid scepticism or just this case? Do you agree it is plausible she died from Covid ? |
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