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Why do people not get vaccinated?

By *nonymousSwinger OP Man over a year ago

cambridge

Covid: How can missing five million be persuaded to have the jab? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58594542

Given the views on vaccination here, thought this was an interesting piece. It says 11% of over 16’s have chosen not to have it, which is probably what I’d guess is representative of fab members too?

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

I think younger people are less inclined to have it than older people because of fertility worries

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By *uckoldDesiresMan over a year ago

Dublin

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By *uckoldDesiresMan over a year ago

Dublin

Why do 15% or so of the population smoke despite knowing the risks?

Why do a sizeable percentage of fabbers go bare back despite knowing the risks?

Why do a certain percentage vote for some parties and others the complete opposite?

Why do a certain amount of people do anything?

Because we are all individuals and all adults. All allowed make up our own minds (albeit a lot of anti-vaxx appears to be complete fiction).

You will never EVER get 100% of the population in agreement on anything

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

From what I've seen and read:

# medical, religious and ethical reasons.

# worried about along term effects especially it seems fertility.

# concerned about becoming ill and losing pay

# other stuff

# anti vax or anti government so will resist from a point of principal or ideology.

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By *ust PeachyWoman over a year ago

Prestonish

"Why do 15% or so of the population smoke despite knowing the risks?

Why do a sizeable percentage of fabbers go bare back despite knowing the risks?

Why do a certain percentage vote for some parties and others the complete opposite?

Why do a certain amount of people do anything?

Because we are all individuals and all adults. All allowed make up our own minds (albeit a lot of anti-vaxx appears to be complete fiction).

You will never EVER get 100% of the population in agreement on anything"

Pretty much this really.

Whilst I’ve had the jabs myself - I dislike the current radio campaign urging mums to just ‘take their 16 and 17 year olds to get their jab’ - assuming that this is something the parent can decide for their young adult - it isn’t and shouldn’t be.

I discussed this with by 17 year old son whilst driving him to work. We agreed he should have the jab to cut down the possibility of having to self isolate when others catch covid (he’s lost wages due to this already) - but it is HIS decision - not mine. X

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By *tue555Man over a year ago

Passed Beyond Reach

It is a personal choice, a lot are totally misinformed and believe the bollocks.

For someone who is just getting over covid (double jabbed), I have no question I made the right choice to have the jabs despite any risks. I'd rather be one of the 31000, than theb 900 or even 160.

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple over a year ago

Bexley

We don't yet live in a North Korea like state and thankfully we're still entitled to make most of our own choices whether other people agree with them or not. That's what freedom is and it's precious.

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By *oved Up 2Couple over a year ago

nottingham

"Why do 15% or so of the population smoke despite knowing the risks?

Why do a sizeable percentage of fabbers go bare back despite knowing the risks?

Why do a certain percentage vote for some parties and others the complete opposite?

Why do a certain amount of people do anything?

Because we are all individuals and all adults. All allowed make up our own minds (albeit a lot of anti-vaxx appears to be complete fiction).

You will never EVER get 100% of the population in agreement on anything

Pretty much this really.

When we vaccinate under 18s we always ask them if the vaccination is their choice or they've been pushed into it by their parents. Whilst I believe everyone should take up the vaccination I absolutely agree that it's a personal choice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I discussed this with by 17 year old son whilst driving him to work. We agreed he should have the jab to cut down the possibility of having to self isolate when others catch covid (he’s lost wages due to this already) - but it is HIS decision - not mine. X"

Under 18s no longer need to self isolate if others get Covid anymore anyway.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

Why dont people get vaxxed...all sorts of reasons some are tin foil hat loons,some would rather take there chances with there own immune system some dont trust goverment of any colour some for religious reasons and some just dont want it and you aint gona convince anyone who hasnt taken it already,human beings we are all different and long may that continue

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant"

The jab almost certainly helped prime the immune system. May have been far worse without it.

The BBC doesn't label viruses. That's one of the most stupid comments I've read in a sea of stupidity.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant"

Do you think a reaction to a jab is called the Delta variant ?

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

Some because of misinformation to the point of brainwashing. There was someone yesterday who got interviewed live on TV (not on the UK TV). Articulate, late 30s etc. He was schooling the tv presenter journalist saying the usual stuff anout the big pharma and how much money they make, that scientists and politicians change their minds, that the mainstream media and the politicians are getting bribed, etc. When asked whether he was an antivaxxer denier he said no he is not a covid denier and an antivaxxer. He said that coronovirus exists, there was coronovirus 60 years ago and the coronovirus of today is the “variant number 19”. Yes, he said that.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"the coronovirus of today is the “variant number 19”. Yes, he said that. "

Is that why it's called Covid19 ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why do 15% or so of the population smoke despite knowing the risks?

Why do a sizeable percentage of fabbers go bare back despite knowing the risks?

Why do a certain percentage vote for some parties and others the complete opposite?

Why do a certain amount of people do anything?

Because we are all individuals and all adults. All allowed make up our own minds (albeit a lot of anti-vaxx appears to be complete fiction).

You will never EVER get 100% of the population in agreement on anything"

Very well said!!!

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By *perfectpair5050Couple over a year ago

marlbourgh

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant"
. And if that’s your answer what hope have we got of getting rid of this virus

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I’m old and had my kids a d bulk of my life . Governments lie and can’t be trusted are not bothered about future consequences, some other governments problem. Drugs can causes issues decades later , cancer infertility etc. if I was in my 20s I may be less likely to have a new vaccine

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"the coronovirus of today is the “variant number 19”. Yes, he said that.

Is that why it's called Covid19 ?"

No. WHO decided to call it Covid 19 because the virus first appeared in 2019.

But there are still people who misinterpret this 19 even now. One good friend of mine with postgraduate degree in computer science thought that this covid would disappear on its own like the previous 18 coronoviruses. It was very hard to convince her otherwise but I managed to. She still believes that it is all a conspiracy where most of the heads of states and the scientists are involved but at least the issue with the covid 19 name has been resolved.

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By *nizzleMan over a year ago

litherland,saltbox pub

I've chose not to get vaxxed n the reason for my decision is simply because of the government's inability to be accountable for the vaccinations and any side affects that might arise in years to come (no liability clause)

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By *ENGUYMan over a year ago

Hull

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant"

The BBC didn't "label" the Delta variant. Instead it was the World Health Organisation who in June decided to name respective Variants as they develop and in this case, the Indian variant was named Delta.

Thus media outlets across the world including the BBC picked up on the W.H.O name.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't particularly like needles. I don't particularly need one.

I simply don't want one.

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By *tue555Man over a year ago

Passed Beyond Reach

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant"

Sorry it is bollocks like this that which is killing people.

If you don't want the jabs it your choice take the risks. Pedling bollocks this is unforgiveable. I know four healthy people who listened to this anti vax rhetoric who are no longer with us.

People keep on in these threads about their choices their freedoms, what about others freedoms. Trying to convice others they should not have vaccine are you not potentially sentacing the to death.

I made a point and it was my choice don't try and twist it to suit your own ignorant argumets

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"I don't particularly like needles. I don't particularly need one.

I simply don't want one. "

They are testing a vaccine that will be administered through the nose. No needles involved so hopefully soon you will have this option.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Much of the unvaccinated has resulted from the pernicious heavy load of continuous antivax promotion, typically from groups that stand to gain from our attention and behaviour. If they sow enough doubts, they cultivate uncertainty, which is what has happened. Many of the unvaccinated are not antivax but have some level of doubt. Once we have a position, we tend to then find reasons to justify it, typically consolidating it. We'll interpret things differently from others with an alternative viewpoint.

We've not had the greatest government success since this began, falling too close to being amongst the group of countries with the worst pandemic results globally. Such results don't build confidence or trust in them, so that has likely helped to fuel some vax uncertainty too.

We've been ripe for being picked off as a country that's easily manipulated, now that social and other media are prevalent, influential and have had minimal constraints. It's easier for rogue states to buy influence, that weakens us to their advantage now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't particularly like needles. I don't particularly need one.

I simply don't want one.

They are testing a vaccine that will be administered through the nose. No needles involved so hopefully soon you will have this option."

Again, no. Don't really need or want one, even if I was fine with needles

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

" Don't really need or want one"

Do you think other people need one ?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"I've chose not to get vaxxed n the reason for my decision is simply because of the government's inability to be accountable for the vaccinations and any side affects that might arise in years to come (no liability clause) "

Whatever the agreements between the government and suppliers, the vaccines are fully subject to the same liabilities to patients, that all other vaccines are, as covered in the NHS website.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant"

Your information is wrong. The vaccines have extraordinarily high levels of efficacy and safety, so it's extremely likely that he had some immunity, if a couple of weeks had passed, before getting infected.

The naming of variants was standardised globally, after the colloquial 'English', 'Indian' variants terms had been used. They now use original Greek alphabet letters, for each of them. Nothing whatsoever to do with any media organisation.

It pays to keep up with things and be well informed.

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"I don't particularly like needles. I don't particularly need one.

I simply don't want one.

They are testing a vaccine that will be administered through the nose. No needles involved so hopefully soon you will have this option.

Again, no. Don't really need or want one, even if I was fine with needles"

Then in your case with regards to the current covid vaccines the fear of needles is just an excuse (or a weak reason). The main reason is that you do not want it, you do not need it. This reason is acceptable.

As it is also acceptable that people who really want to have the vaccine do not have it because they are scared of the needles.

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By *litterbabeWoman over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

I was talking to somebody last night about this, (they are not from fab), and they said some people just feel really uneasy about out how far they are being pushed to have more jabs and also just an uneasy feeling that the information just doesn't add up for them.

They have family in Israel, who have had three jabs and are now being organised for their fourth.

At first they had the jabs because they could see it was working in Israel and wanted to follow what their family were doing, now they are saying there infection rate is so high they just can't understand what is really happening and why the need for continual jabs.

(It is looking like two boosters every year)

They feel the vaccination isn't working and it's making them hesitant to have further jabs and also too to get their children vaccinated.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We've all been jabbed apart from our youngest who at 16 has decided he'd prefer to wait for a while.

He has my full support and in his situation I'd likely do the same. I haven't yet seen a good argument as to why a 16 year old should have the vaccine.

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By *nizzleMan over a year ago

litherland,saltbox pub

Whatever the agreements between the government and suppliers, the vaccines are fully subject to the same liabilities to patients, that all other vaccines are, as covered in the NHS website. "
im talking about for instance if I get vaxxed n then a few years down the line I grow another head or have complications there not gonna take responsibility,these vaccinations have already started to show damaging side affects

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By *tue555Man over a year ago

Passed Beyond Reach

The Vaccine is like anti-virus software - people just can't get this into their heads -

Medical evidence - one of the reasons Covid is so deadly is it convinces the immune system it doesn't exist - when the body recognises it as a threat the damage is already done. Like ransomwear, you do not know it exists until all your files are fooked.

Like anti-virus software it looks for virus signatures so it can deal with it - the vaccine is the signature file for your bodies immune system.

The vaccine acts like a early warning system for your body.

Vaccine is like tsunami, volcano, tornado early warning systems - it doesn't stop them from happening it allows for you to prepare and minimise the consequences - it is not that complex.

I had the vaccine in the hope that it would protect me from greater risk, like a true early warning system - which is exactly what it did.

Why are people so blinkered and narrow minded they the can't grasp this very simple concept

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By *egasus NobMan over a year ago

Merton

Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about.

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By *entlemanrogueMan over a year ago

Motherwell

I am currently unvaccinated. and dont intend to change thay for a while at least.

what are my reasons.

1. I do not trust pfizer, i know others are available. they are also waiting to issue a daily pill to fight Covid. why, if your vaccine is already good?

2. I do not trust the Tories i genuinely believe they rushed througb the approval to be the first country to do so "Jolly good job chaps" and probably got a nice fat backhander at the same time.

3. I know it has been "Tested and approved" so where other things that the pharma companies ended up paying out compensation for, which leads to 4.

4. They are exempt from any resonsibilty or claim agaisnt them should any harm befall me for using their vaccine.

5. The chance of dying from covid is around 1%. the vaccine lowers the risk by around 65% meaning 0.35% chance of death. I am unconcerned

6. it doesnt stop you catching nor transmitting the virus. I know im not alone is asking whats the point then?

what could convince me to get the vaccine?

I will wait a certain amount of time and see what side effects others have suffered amd of newer more effective vaccines are created, then maybe ill get it.

Sadly i live in Scotland where covid passports are being introduced, meaning there will be may social events etc that i will have to miss out on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For those who are concerned that it will be twice a year jabs...

If you knew this at the start would you have been okay with it? And why is twice a year a much bigger thing than a one off ?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Why do people keep on and on and on and on about other people's choices? It pretty much makes no difference to anyone else and it will expire in 6 to 12 months so what's the big drama? Find something else to pick on people and insult them about.

I'm sure however it would help to persuade some of those who have yet to have it.. is to present a cogent case for 16 year olds to have the vaccine rather than coerce them into it by implying they can't do stuff unless they are jabbed. A cogent case for the Delta variant that clearly and simply shows the benefits to them. Because right now the evidence is pretty sketchy that for the Delta variant there's a big medical benefit for 16 year olds.

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By *BBWWoman over a year ago

somewhere in suffolk

"We don't yet live in a North Korea like state and thankfully we're still entitled to make most of our own choices whether other people agree with them or not. That's what freedom is and it's precious. "

Unless you work in care .....but i suppose you still have 2 choices

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I Haven’t had a chance to get to a clinic yet as I’ve been working and the nearest one is 10 miles away

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lots of different reasons.

For me just to name a few:

1) Not enough research imo.

2) Data that is plucked out of thin air. It's easy enough to say its from *source* - yeah, government sources? No thanks.

3) Hypothesis.

4) Biased reporting.

5) Side effects.

6) Menstrual issues - I have a horrid time with mine and I'm not doing anything to make them worse.

7) I try my hardest not to put man-made stuff into my body, BC included.

8) I hate being told what to do or what is best for me.

9) Gut instincts, I've never been wrong.

10) Pro informed choice.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

Personal choice and what they feel is right for them.

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about. "

Nope. This is a misconception and an argument used by people who are not in favour of the covid vaccine.

Well informed vaccinated people do not have such misconception.

ill informed vaccinated people who have such misconception put themselves in danger.

The vaccine is like a bullet proof body armour. It can protect you but not 100%.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lots of different reasons.

For me just to name a few:

1) Not enough research imo.

2) Data that is plucked out of thin air. It's easy enough to say its from *source* - yeah, government sources? No thanks.

3) Hypothesis.

4) Biased reporting.

5) Side effects.

6) Menstrual issues - I have a horrid time with mine and I'm not doing anything to make them worse.

7) I try my hardest not to put man-made stuff into my body, BC included.

8) I hate being told what to do or what is best for me.

9) Gut instincts, I've never been wrong.

10) Pro informed choice. "

A fellow sane mind in a sea of sanity. i'm right there with you.

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By *urAlterEgosCouple over a year ago

Barnsley

"…these vaccinations have already started to show damaging side affects "

Really? Would love to know your information sources on this. We’ve not come across anything!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am currently unvaccinated. and dont intend to change thay for a while at least.

what are my reasons.

1. I do not trust pfizer, i know others are available. they are also waiting to issue a daily pill to fight Covid. why, if your vaccine is already good?

2. I do not trust the Tories i genuinely believe they rushed througb the approval to be the first country to do so "Jolly good job chaps" and probably got a nice fat backhander at the same time.

3. I know it has been "Tested and approved" so where other things that the pharma companies ended up paying out compensation for, which leads to 4.

4. They are exempt from any resonsibilty or claim agaisnt them should any harm befall me for using their vaccine.

5. The chance of dying from covid is around 1%. the vaccine lowers the risk by around 65% meaning 0.35% chance of death. I am unconcerned

6. it doesnt stop you catching nor transmitting the virus. I know im not alone is asking whats the point then?

what could convince me to get the vaccine?

I will wait a certain amount of time and see what side effects others have suffered amd of newer more effective vaccines are created, then maybe ill get it.

Sadly i live in Scotland where covid passports are being introduced, meaning there will be may social events etc that i will have to miss out on."

Another sane mind in a sea of sanity.

i'm with you 100%.

i've done my research. I've made my decision.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There’s various reasons as to why.

I’ve chosen not to have it, I have my reasons. I’m sure some people have chosen not to have it and don’t have much of a reason, that’s their right.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why do 15% or so of the population smoke despite knowing the risks?

Why do a sizeable percentage of fabbers go bare back despite knowing the risks?

Why do a certain percentage vote for some parties and others the complete opposite?

Why do a certain amount of people do anything?

Because we are all individuals and all adults. All allowed make up our own minds (albeit a lot of anti-vaxx appears to be complete fiction).

You will never EVER get 100% of the population in agreement on anything"

Absolutely this.

We are not all the same.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"Why do 15% or so of the population smoke despite knowing the risks?

Why do a sizeable percentage of fabbers go bare back despite knowing the risks?

Why do a certain percentage vote for some parties and others the complete opposite?

Why do a certain amount of people do anything?

Because we are all individuals and all adults. All allowed make up our own minds (albeit a lot of anti-vaxx appears to be complete fiction).

You will never EVER get 100% of the population in agreement on anything"

This is a great post.

I think some people believe that the scientific method alone should be enough to persuade everyone.

The post above shows that if you look outside of this particular issue, people will make choices which are far more harmful even knowing all the facts.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Whatever the agreements between the government and suppliers, the vaccines are fully subject to the same liabilities to patients, that all other vaccines are, as covered in the NHS website. im talking about for instance if I get vaxxed n then a few years down the line I grow another head or have complications there not gonna take responsibility,these vaccinations have already started to show damaging side affects "

The liability isn't just for the point when you get vaccinated but is permanent.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about. "

I wear a seatbelt but am still concerned that we maintain roadworthy vehicle standards, for approvals, MOT etc, as well as for how others drive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about.

I wear a seatbelt but am still concerned that we maintain roadworthy vehicle standards, for approvals, MOT etc, as well as for how others drive. "

But do you ask others drivers why they don’t wear their seat belt or lecture them on the dangers of not wearing it all the time?

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about.

I wear a seatbelt but am still concerned that we maintain roadworthy vehicle standards, for approvals, MOT etc, as well as for how others drive.

But do you ask others drivers why they don’t wear their seat belt or lecture them on the dangers of not wearing it all the time? "

After decades, this is common knowledge and the logical thing to do. It is up to the authorities. But if people inside my car do not wear seat belts I will lecture them yes. Or if I get inside a car of someone I know who is not wearing a seatbelt. It is out of concern and my duty.

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By *edbath 5Man over a year ago

london

Personal choice. I trialled a drug but if people don’t want it who are we to have a pop at them.

Now most of the country have it who are we protecting them from ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant"

Sorry mate but you're talking utter nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about.

I wear a seatbelt but am still concerned that we maintain roadworthy vehicle standards, for approvals, MOT etc, as well as for how others drive.

But do you ask others drivers why they don’t wear their seat belt or lecture them on the dangers of not wearing it all the time?

That’s inside your car.

Not other people’s car, if you’re the driver in your car that’s different. Also getting in someone else’s car it’s your safety.

I’m sure you don’t walk around a car park checking or asking random strangers if they’re wearing their seatbelt do you? Or ask people online if they wear their seatbelt, it would be ridiculous. You cannot police others, it isn’t your job.

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By *litheroevoyeurMan over a year ago

Clitheroe

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant"

Just what we needed, the opinion of a Fab expert.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why do people feel they have a right to an answer to that question... You only need to know whether they have had it or not... And nobody really owes you that either

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about.

I wear a seatbelt but am still concerned that we maintain roadworthy vehicle standards, for approvals, MOT etc, as well as for how others drive.

But do you ask others drivers why they don’t wear their seat belt or lecture them on the dangers of not wearing it all the time?

That’s inside your car.

Not other people’s car, if you’re the driver in your car that’s different. Also getting in someone else’s car it’s your safety.

Mo I do not. After decades of seatbelt use being a common knowledge, it is the government’s job to continue reminding and educating people.

With covid being still very new and with all this misinformation it is everyone’s duty to inform people who lack information or are misinformed or brainwashed. The least we can do as individual human beings is point them to the right links (Health authority ones).

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about.

I wear a seatbelt but am still concerned that we maintain roadworthy vehicle standards, for approvals, MOT etc, as well as for how others drive.

But do you ask others drivers why they don’t wear their seat belt or lecture them on the dangers of not wearing it all the time?

That’s inside your car.

Not other people’s car, if you’re the driver in your car that’s different. Also getting in someone else’s car it’s your safety.

This is a spurious argument though as I don't think anyone is randomly sending messages asking people if they are jabbed or not.

That would be the equivalent argument.

Asking on an open forum is fine,people can choose to respond or not.

Its a bit like joining a fishing forum and then complaining that people are asking questions about whether you wear protective waders or not.

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By *heNaturistCoupleCouple over a year ago

crewe

"Why do 15% or so of the population smoke despite knowing the risks?

Why do a sizeable percentage of fabbers go bare back despite knowing the risks?

Why do a certain percentage vote for some parties and others the complete opposite?

Why do a certain amount of people do anything?

Because we are all individuals and all adults. All allowed make up our own minds (albeit a lot of anti-vaxx appears to be complete fiction).

You will never EVER get 100% of the population in agreement on anything

Pretty much this really.

Yes we heard this advertising on the radio ourselves for the first time yesterday!.

It does seem very pushy considering they've already got pop up vaccination centres in our local comprehensive and the amount of actual news and media coverage already, those of us like ourselves who've decided we won't be having our children vaccinated due to the data that shows there's no need will feel like frankly there not taking no for an answer?.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"Why do 15% or so of the population smoke despite knowing the risks?

Why do a sizeable percentage of fabbers go bare back despite knowing the risks?

Why do a certain percentage vote for some parties and others the complete opposite?

Why do a certain amount of people do anything?

Because we are all individuals and all adults. All allowed make up our own minds (albeit a lot of anti-vaxx appears to be complete fiction).

You will never EVER get 100% of the population in agreement on anything

Pretty much this really.

Yes we heard this advertising on the radio ourselves for the first time yesterday!.

I never listen or watch adverts but I get that it will influence some.

The biggest issue for us is that the Balance of medical benefit for teens is about 50/50. But other countries will not apply that the same as the UK so to get to the USA for example teens would have to be jabbed.

So it is a different ask, medically it will make little different, but travel wise it makes a big difference.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"Covid: How can missing five million be persuaded to have the jab? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58594542

I find it interesting that you were told to get jabbed, you’d be free to live your life without interference and it would all be over.

I don’t like being lied to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about.

I wear a seatbelt but am still concerned that we maintain roadworthy vehicle standards, for approvals, MOT etc, as well as for how others drive.

But do you ask others drivers why they don’t wear their seat belt or lecture them on the dangers of not wearing it all the time?

That’s inside your car.

Not other people’s car, if you’re the driver in your car that’s different. Also getting in someone else’s car it’s your safety.

This is a spurious argument though as I don't think anyone is randomly sending messages asking people if they are jabbed or not.

That would be the equivalent argument.

Asking on an open forum is fine,people can choose to respond or not.

Its a bit like joining a fishing forum and then complaining that people are asking questions about whether you wear protective waders or not. "

Well I think you’ll find there are people doing just that. When my profile was visible I’ve had messages asking if I’m jabbed, I’ve also seen someone else mention this on the forum.

I wasn’t referring to the forum specifically I was talking in general as an unvaccinated person I’ve had people ask me in person also, so I think you’ve got a bit confused assuming I’m referring to the forum alone, I’m not.

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about.

I wear a seatbelt but am still concerned that we maintain roadworthy vehicle standards, for approvals, MOT etc, as well as for how others drive.

But do you ask others drivers why they don’t wear their seat belt or lecture them on the dangers of not wearing it all the time?

That’s inside your car.

Not other people’s car, if you’re the driver in your car that’s different. Also getting in someone else’s car it’s your safety.

This is a spurious argument though as I don't think anyone is randomly sending messages asking people if they are jabbed or not.

That would be the equivalent argument.

Asking on an open forum is fine,people can choose to respond or not.

Its a bit like joining a fishing forum and then complaining that people are asking questions about whether you wear protective waders or not. "

Exactly. I would never send messages to people’s inboxes with pro vaccine messages or links. But some nutters have sent me antivax links.

However, in the forum, if I come across someone who meeds help (that is he or she is seriously missinformed) it is my duty to point this person to the right direction bu providing official health authority links).

If the person does not want to read the official info, there is nothing I can do. But at least I tried.

I believe that this forum is doing a service to people who are misinformed for one reason or another. People who do not listen to the goverment or the mainstream tv because they are only relying on certain sources of info that may be dubious.

Then they come to fab and even though this place would not be the place to get the right info, there are some people who are caring enough to show the misinformed people where to look (authentic governmental and health authority links).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about.

I wear a seatbelt but am still concerned that we maintain roadworthy vehicle standards, for approvals, MOT etc, as well as for how others drive.

But do you ask others drivers why they don’t wear their seat belt or lecture them on the dangers of not wearing it all the time?

That’s inside your car.

Not other people’s car, if you’re the driver in your car that’s different. Also getting in someone else’s car it’s your safety.

Mo I do not. After decades of seatbelt use being a common knowledge, it is the government’s job to continue reminding and educating people.

It’s actually not anyone’s duty to inform anyone apart from the government & health professionals.

Google is free and most people in this day and age have access to it so can find the information themselves on the NHS website or the Gov website. Of course you can offer advice, but it isn’t your duty as an individual to inform anyone of anything about COVID, you’re not a health professional or someone in the government.

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By *heNaturistCoupleCouple over a year ago

crewe

"Why do 15% or so of the population smoke despite knowing the risks?

Why do a sizeable percentage of fabbers go bare back despite knowing the risks?

Why do a certain percentage vote for some parties and others the complete opposite?

Why do a certain amount of people do anything?

Because we are all individuals and all adults. All allowed make up our own minds (albeit a lot of anti-vaxx appears to be complete fiction).

You will never EVER get 100% of the population in agreement on anything

Pretty much this really.

Yes we heard this advertising on the radio ourselves for the first time yesterday!.

I never listen or watch adverts but I get that it will influence some.

So it is a different ask, medically it will make little different, but travel wise it makes a big difference. "

There 13 and 16 I doubt they'll be flying to the states anytime soon

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

Well I think you’ll find there are people doing just that. When my profile was visible I’ve had messages asking if I’m jabbed, I’ve also seen someone else mention this on the forum.

I think that is bang out of order.

Moves more towards stalking and harassment and should be stopped.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about.

I wear a seatbelt but am still concerned that we maintain roadworthy vehicle standards, for approvals, MOT etc, as well as for how others drive.

But do you ask others drivers why they don’t wear their seat belt or lecture them on the dangers of not wearing it all the time?

That’s inside your car.

Not other people’s car, if you’re the driver in your car that’s different. Also getting in someone else’s car it’s your safety.

This is a spurious argument though as I don't think anyone is randomly sending messages asking people if they are jabbed or not.

That would be the equivalent argument.

Asking on an open forum is fine,people can choose to respond or not.

Its a bit like joining a fishing forum and then complaining that people are asking questions about whether you wear protective waders or not.

Exactly. I would never send messages to people’s inboxes with pro vaccine messages or links. But some nutters have sent me antivax links.

If the person does not want to read the official info, there is nothing I can do. But at least I tried.

But let’s be real.

You are anti anti vax so your advice is likely to reflect that just as an anti vax persons advice is likely to reflect their views too. Everyone is biased.

In my opinion those who are pro choice, both vaccinated and unvaccinated are the ones to seek advice from if anyone needs it, but the best place to get advice is the NHS if you’re in the U.K.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"Why do 15% or so of the population smoke despite knowing the risks?

Why do a sizeable percentage of fabbers go bare back despite knowing the risks?

Why do a certain percentage vote for some parties and others the complete opposite?

Why do a certain amount of people do anything?

Because we are all individuals and all adults. All allowed make up our own minds (albeit a lot of anti-vaxx appears to be complete fiction).

You will never EVER get 100% of the population in agreement on anything

Pretty much this really.

Yes we heard this advertising on the radio ourselves for the first time yesterday!.

I never listen or watch adverts but I get that it will influence some.

So it is a different ask, medically it will make little different, but travel wise it makes a big difference.

There 13 and 16 I doubt they'll be flying to the states anytime soon

There are those with family in the states so this will impact some and there is no saying other countries won't do the same.

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By *ohnnyB82Man over a year ago

Blackpool

Wake up sheeple

Go look at the lastest whistleblowers talking to Project Veritas about the vaccines...truly eyeopening

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Covid: How can missing five million be persuaded to have the jab? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58594542

I find it interesting that you were told to get jabbed, you’d be free to live your life without interference and it would all be over.

I don’t like being lied to. "

We all hot the same info and noone likes to being lied.

But it is a matter of interpretation. You say they lied to you. I say they told me what at that time was the info they had in hand.

It is an ongoing situation of particular urgency. They had to take some decisions and steer people towards the right path at that particular time.

If lets say right now the government is giving you the right info and you choose not to trust what they tell you who is at a loss?

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"Wake up sheeple

Go look at the lastest whistleblowers talking to Project Veritas about the vaccines...truly eyeopening"

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Wake up sheeple

Go look at the lastest whistleblowers talking to Project Veritas about the vaccines...truly eyeopening"

Ok but be careful with the invermectin. It is not an approved treatment in the UK. You are taking a gamble. It is my duty as a caring and well informed member of society to tell you this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have a friend who refuses to have the vaccine despite having COPD, he reckons that’s what the immune system is for. Go figure..

I also have members of my family who won’t have it because of something that happened in the 80s and a baby that was aborted. Basically drs used the stem cells of the aborted foetus without asking the parents - I’m no being funny but if the parent/s didn’t want the baby why do they have to be asked what happens to the foetus? Fair enough they didn’t want a baby (why get pregnant then?) but don’t waste what you made then threw away…..

One of my nieces works in care, won’t have the vaccine so is choosing to change her career pfft!

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

They are not scientists and are funded by right wing political organisations.

So serious bias in everything they say.

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about.

I wear a seatbelt but am still concerned that we maintain roadworthy vehicle standards, for approvals, MOT etc, as well as for how others drive.

But do you ask others drivers why they don’t wear their seat belt or lecture them on the dangers of not wearing it all the time?

That’s inside your car.

Not other people’s car, if you’re the driver in your car that’s different. Also getting in someone else’s car it’s your safety.

This is a spurious argument though as I don't think anyone is randomly sending messages asking people if they are jabbed or not.

That would be the equivalent argument.

Asking on an open forum is fine,people can choose to respond or not.

Its a bit like joining a fishing forum and then complaining that people are asking questions about whether you wear protective waders or not.

Exactly. I would never send messages to people’s inboxes with pro vaccine messages or links. But some nutters have sent me antivax links.

If the person does not want to read the official info, there is nothing I can do. But at least I tried.

But let’s be real.

You are anti anti vax so your advice is likely to reflect that just as an anti vax persons advice is likely to reflect their views too. Everyone is biased.

In my opinion those who are pro choice, both vaccinated and unvaccinated are the ones to seek advice from if anyone needs it, but the best place to get advice is the NHS if you’re in the U.K. "

I am pro vax and I am biased. I can accept this. But still, I point people who I believe they are misinformed (the octopus one who did not have the right info about antibodies to the right direction (the NHS site). That was the least I could do.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"Wake up sheeple

Go look at the lastest whistleblowers talking to Project Veritas about the vaccines...truly eyeopening

Project Veritas is an American far-right activist group founded by James O'Keefe in 2010. The group produces deceptively edited videos of its undercover operations, which use secret recordings in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups. "
is this the group that outed the antifa teacher the other week who they filmed admiting he scares the shit out of the kids in his class to get them round to his way of thinking??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wake up sheeple

Go look at the lastest whistleblowers talking to Project Veritas about the vaccines...truly eyeopening

Ok but be careful with the invermectin. It is not an approved treatment in the UK. You are taking a gamble. It is my duty as a caring and well informed member of society to tell you this. "

Who is using Ivermectin? That’s an equine worming drug!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about.

I wear a seatbelt but am still concerned that we maintain roadworthy vehicle standards, for approvals, MOT etc, as well as for how others drive.

But do you ask others drivers why they don’t wear their seat belt or lecture them on the dangers of not wearing it all the time?

That’s inside your car.

Not other people’s car, if you’re the driver in your car that’s different. Also getting in someone else’s car it’s your safety.

This is a spurious argument though as I don't think anyone is randomly sending messages asking people if they are jabbed or not.

That would be the equivalent argument.

Asking on an open forum is fine,people can choose to respond or not.

Its a bit like joining a fishing forum and then complaining that people are asking questions about whether you wear protective waders or not.

Exactly. I would never send messages to people’s inboxes with pro vaccine messages or links. But some nutters have sent me antivax links.

If the person does not want to read the official info, there is nothing I can do. But at least I tried.

But let’s be real.

You are anti anti vax so your advice is likely to reflect that just as an anti vax persons advice is likely to reflect their views too. Everyone is biased.

In my opinion those who are pro choice, both vaccinated and unvaccinated are the ones to seek advice from if anyone needs it, but the best place to get advice is the NHS if you’re in the U.K.

You’ve admitted you’re biased which proves my point.

As I said, the best advice comes from those who have a balanced view in regards to the vaccine and that would be those who are pro choice as they are neither pro or anti vaccine.

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Wake up sheeple

Go look at the lastest whistleblowers talking to Project Veritas about the vaccines...truly eyeopening

Ok but be careful with the invermectin. It is not an approved treatment in the UK. You are taking a gamble. It is my duty as a caring and well informed member of society to tell you this.

Who is using Ivermectin? That’s an equine worming drug! "

If I remember correctly the member who just called us sheeple. He posted that his doctor prescribed him imvermectin as a protection against covid. When I shared a link from the Scottish health authorities that invermectin is not authorised in the UK for covid treatment but a doctor can prescribe it (with the patient assuming the risk of course as it is not a drig proven against covid) the member got very upset. So yes, there are people who really use invermectin for covid and are calling others sheeple!

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Why are you concern with what others have or not have surely if you have the jab you have nothing to worry about.

I wear a seatbelt but am still concerned that we maintain roadworthy vehicle standards, for approvals, MOT etc, as well as for how others drive.

But do you ask others drivers why they don’t wear their seat belt or lecture them on the dangers of not wearing it all the time?

That’s inside your car.

Not other people’s car, if you’re the driver in your car that’s different. Also getting in someone else’s car it’s your safety.

This is a spurious argument though as I don't think anyone is randomly sending messages asking people if they are jabbed or not.

That would be the equivalent argument.

Asking on an open forum is fine,people can choose to respond or not.

Its a bit like joining a fishing forum and then complaining that people are asking questions about whether you wear protective waders or not.

Exactly. I would never send messages to people’s inboxes with pro vaccine messages or links. But some nutters have sent me antivax links.

If the person does not want to read the official info, there is nothing I can do. But at least I tried.

But let’s be real.

You are anti anti vax so your advice is likely to reflect that just as an anti vax persons advice is likely to reflect their views too. Everyone is biased.

In my opinion those who are pro choice, both vaccinated and unvaccinated are the ones to seek advice from if anyone needs it, but the best place to get advice is the NHS if you’re in the U.K.

You’ve admitted you’re biased which proves my point.

As I said, the best advice comes from those who have a balanced view in regards to the vaccine and that would be those who are pro choice as they are neither pro or anti vaccine. "

Whatever makes you happy! I m not here to win arguments just point to the right direction. Whether I am biased towards vaccines or road safety it does not really matter as long as I give you the right info, if you are misinformed.

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By *uckscpl_bi_femCouple over a year ago

Milton Keynes

Not having it

I paid privately for an antibody test which came back positive after being ill last year.

My immune system coped with it as it was designed to do, I only know of 3 other people who have had COVID and all were fully vaccinated so I don’t believe the jabs work as well as a lot of people think they do anyway

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Not having it

I paid privately for an antibody test which came back positive after being ill last year.

Last year you were probably infected with the alpha variant. Even if you have antibodies from last year now the problem is the Delta varriant. It is a risky assumption. Your immune system coped as it was designed to do but other people’s immune systems did not cope even though they were designed in the same way with yours. There are people who have been infected with the Alpha varriant, infected again with Delta and had no issues. There have been others though that had serious issues with Delta. Therefore relying on your strong immune system only is a risk but as long as you are aware of it…

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Quercetin, zinc and vit d3

Will boost yourimmune ststem

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

Same reason Boris Johnson saying it was safe to have and has been proven wrong not everyone was safe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"…these vaccinations have already started to show damaging side affects

Really? Would love to know your information sources on this. We’ve not come across anything!"
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Have a look at the govs yellow card reporting scheme

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant

Sorry mate but you're talking utter nonsense.

Prove it xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wake up sheeple

Go look at the lastest whistleblowers talking to Project Veritas about the vaccines...truly eyeopening"

Well said that man

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not having it

I paid privately for an antibody test which came back positive after being ill last year.

Try telling that to people who have compromised immune systems - having Covid will kill them

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By *mma29Couple over a year ago

wirral

"Why do 15% or so of the population smoke despite knowing the risks?

Why do a sizeable percentage of fabbers go bare back despite knowing the risks?

Why do a certain percentage vote for some parties and others the complete opposite?

Why do a certain amount of people do anything?

Because we are all individuals and all adults. All allowed make up our own minds (albeit a lot of anti-vaxx appears to be complete fiction).

You will never EVER get 100% of the population in agreement on anything"

Great answer. It's the same on any issue in the world, big or small. People just see things differently and it should be accepted.

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By *uckscpl_bi_femCouple over a year ago

Milton Keynes

That’s just it.. I personally do not have a compromised immune system so I am not having it.

If you feel the jabs going to work for you go for it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not having it

I paid privately for an antibody test which came back positive after being ill last year.

I had the delta variant, I had COVID last month.

I survived it, I’m young, unvaccinated, overweight, and have a neurological health condition.

The symptoms are quite different to other variants of COVID. Mine started with a heart rate of 128, palpitations and tingles in my fingertips (I wear a fit watch), then I got a constant headache but didn’t take any notice as I suffer with them anyway, I then got pain behind my eyes and tremors which made me go to the Urgent Care centre as I wondered if it was to do with my heart rate being high and I thought something might be up with my heart.

The nurse suspected COVID straight away and said the symptoms I am having are common with the delta variant which I brushed off as apart from the above I felt fine. I did LFTs which all came back negative, then did a PCR and it was positive, at that point I got the fever, night sweats and just a general unwell feeling. Day 5 I got the dry cough and the breathlessness which was the worst part, I couldn’t walk to the toilet without having a coughing fit and then getting out of breath to the point of panic, I couldn’t even turn over in bed without getting breathless.

I didn’t eat for days due to simply not having an appetite and a general nauseous feeling. Ended up losing a stone and 5lbs in the days I was in isolation. I did have to get a sick note from my Dr for an extra 10 days as I was still struggling to breathe. It was really tough, but I expected COVID to be, it hasn’t made me want to get the vaccine either.

I would say 6 weeks later and I am almost fully recovered apart from the fatigue, the breathlessness took about 4 weeks to go fully.

Some people have had it worse than me, others like my cousin who we suspect also had the delta variant as we tested positive around the same time after going out to a club, she only lost her sense of taste and smell which I didn’t at all, she also had a mild temperature, it also hasn’t made her want the vaccine.

The symptoms are very different for different people.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Why do 15% or so of the population smoke despite knowing the risks?

Why do a sizeable percentage of fabbers go bare back despite knowing the risks?

Why do a certain percentage vote for some parties and others the complete opposite?

Why do a certain amount of people do anything?

Because we are all individuals and all adults. All allowed make up our own minds (albeit a lot of anti-vaxx appears to be complete fiction).

You will never EVER get 100% of the population in agreement on anything

Pretty much this really.

Yes we heard this advertising on the radio ourselves for the first time yesterday!.

I never listen or watch adverts but I get that it will influence some.

So it is a different ask, medically it will make little different, but travel wise it makes a big difference. "

So for those who need to have them to travel... Much like other vaxes that are needed for travel... They can choose to have it to enable their travel. That is their reason and not some made up medical bs. It is harming credibility. My kids had it so they could do things. Not so they would be medically safer. The adverts saying get your kids jabbed just in case they won't be allowed to do stuff this autumn are truly awful and I truly wonder what is the motivation for running them. I started off being very supportive of the initiatives to protect people who needed it. But I'm very anti bullying and applying peer pressure and making up shit just to coerce our kids to have it. How about they were to spend as much time and effort on getting our kids away from gang violence or drugs or smoking or crap food or anyone of 100 other things that would benefit them more.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"Not having it

I paid privately for an antibody test which came back positive after being ill last year.

Belief does not come into it.

There is a difference between anecdotal evidence (what you have personally witnessed and been told) and what the quantitative evidence shows from millions of cases.

I generally only see able bodied people who live near me, but that anecdotal evidence does not prove that 100% of people are able bodied.

There is plenty of evidence from national statistics to prove this.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"Covid: How can missing five million be persuaded to have the jab? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58594542

I find it interesting that you were told to get jabbed, you’d be free to live your life without interference and it would all be over.

I don’t like being lied to.

We all hot the same info and noone likes to being lied.

But it is a matter of interpretation. You say they lied to you. I say they told me what at that time was the info they had in hand.

It is an ongoing situation of particular urgency. They had to take some decisions and steer people towards the right path at that particular time.

If lets say right now the government is giving you the right info and you choose not to trust what they tell you who is at a loss? "

Sounds like you believe the government.

I never have.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"Covid: How can missing five million be persuaded to have the jab? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58594542

I find it interesting that you were told to get jabbed, you’d be free to live your life without interference and it would all be over.

I don’t like being lied to.

We all hot the same info and noone likes to being lied.

But it is a matter of interpretation. You say they lied to you. I say they told me what at that time was the info they had in hand.

It is an ongoing situation of particular urgency. They had to take some decisions and steer people towards the right path at that particular time.

If lets say right now the government is giving you the right info and you choose not to trust what they tell you who is at a loss?

Sounds like you believe the government.

I never have. "

Really?

You don't believe the government when they provide road signage saying where various locations are?

You don't believe that drinking and driving increases risk of accident and reduces your reaction times.

I'm sure you do believe the government when it is convenient.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"Covid: How can missing five million be persuaded to have the jab? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58594542

I find it interesting that you were told to get jabbed, you’d be free to live your life without interference and it would all be over.

I don’t like being lied to.

We all hot the same info and noone likes to being lied.

But it is a matter of interpretation. You say they lied to you. I say they told me what at that time was the info they had in hand.

It is an ongoing situation of particular urgency. They had to take some decisions and steer people towards the right path at that particular time.

If lets say right now the government is giving you the right info and you choose not to trust what they tell you who is at a loss?

Sounds like you believe the government.

I never have.

Really?

You don't believe the government when they provide road signage saying where various locations are?

You don't believe that drinking and driving increases risk of accident and reduces your reaction times.

I'm sure you do believe the government when it is convenient.

Don’t be facetious.

About the virus.

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By *uckscpl_bi_femCouple over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"Not having it

I paid privately for an antibody test which came back positive after being ill last year.

I had the delta variant, I had COVID last month.

I survived it, I’m young, unvaccinated, overweight, and have a neurological health condition.

I would say 6 weeks later and I am almost fully recovered apart from the fatigue, the breathlessness took about 4 weeks to go fully.

The symptoms are very different for different people. "

Wow your symptoms sounded exactly the same as mine I was bed ridden for 6 days horrendous coughing fits every time I moved and lost 7 kg

Fatigue for 4-5 weeks after also. Hopefully have enough antibody protection to fight off another bout if needed then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not having it

I paid privately for an antibody test which came back positive after being ill last year.

I had the delta variant, I had COVID last month.

I survived it, I’m young, unvaccinated, overweight, and have a neurological health condition.

I would say 6 weeks later and I am almost fully recovered apart from the fatigue, the breathlessness took about 4 weeks to go fully.

The symptoms are very different for different people.

Wow your symptoms sounded exactly the same as mine I was bed ridden for 6 days horrendous coughing fits every time I moved and lost 7 kg

Fatigue for 4-5 weeks after also. Hopefully have enough antibody protection to fight off another bout if needed then "

Crazy isn’t it! There’s only you and another person I spoke to who had similar weird symptoms.

It amazes me how it affects people so differently, I’m usually never sick so COVID was a shock to the system!

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By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

"Not having it

I paid privately for an antibody test which came back positive after being ill last year.

It´s good that you draw your conclusions from such a huge sample size

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By *uckscpl_bi_femCouple over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"Not having it

I paid privately for an antibody test which came back positive after being ill last year.

I had the delta variant, I had COVID last month.

I survived it, I’m young, unvaccinated, overweight, and have a neurological health condition.

I would say 6 weeks later and I am almost fully recovered apart from the fatigue, the breathlessness took about 4 weeks to go fully.

The symptoms are very different for different people.

Wow your symptoms sounded exactly the same as mine I was bed ridden for 6 days horrendous coughing fits every time I moved and lost 7 kg

Fatigue for 4-5 weeks after also. Hopefully have enough antibody protection to fight off another bout if needed then

Crazy isn’t it! There’s only you and another person I spoke to who had similar weird symptoms.

It amazes me how it affects people so differently, I’m usually never sick so COVID was a shock to the system!

Same last time I was ever that poorly was over 20 years ago, despite being a fat bloke I have good general health, another symptom I had for about 3 days after I was over the worse was extreme lower leg itching, I just sat on the settee constantly scratching with an extendable back scratcher!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why do 15% or so of the population smoke despite knowing the risks?

Why do a sizeable percentage of fabbers go bare back despite knowing the risks?

Why do a certain percentage vote for some parties and others the complete opposite?

Why do a certain amount of people do anything?

Because we are all individuals and all adults. All allowed make up our own minds (albeit a lot of anti-vaxx appears to be complete fiction).

You will never EVER get 100% of the population in agreement on anything

Pretty much this really.

Absolutely this

My sons are 14 and 15 and are deciding for themselves, both currently want to have the jab.

I wouldn't dream of deciding for them either way

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By *uckscpl_bi_femCouple over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"Not having it

I paid privately for an antibody test which came back positive after being ill last year.

It´s good that you draw your conclusions from such a huge sample size "

That may be but they are the facts. Out of all my family, friends and work colleagues etc.. a few hundred people only 3 confirmed cases that I have heard about all and fully jabbed up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lots of different reasons.

For me just to name a few:

1) Not enough research imo.

2) Data that is plucked out of thin air. It's easy enough to say its from *source* - yeah, government sources? No thanks.

3) Hypothesis.

4) Biased reporting.

5) Side effects.

6) Menstrual issues - I have a horrid time with mine and I'm not doing anything to make them worse.

7) I try my hardest not to put man-made stuff into my body, BC included.

8) I hate being told what to do or what is best for me.

9) Gut instincts, I've never been wrong.

10) Pro informed choice.

A fellow sane mind in a sea of sanity. i'm right there with you. "

..and me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Covid: How can missing five million be persuaded to have the jab? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58594542

I find it interesting that you were told to get jabbed, you’d be free to live your life without interference and it would all be over.

I don’t like being lied to.

We all hot the same info and noone likes to being lied.

But it is a matter of interpretation. You say they lied to you. I say they told me what at that time was the info they had in hand.

It is an ongoing situation of particular urgency. They had to take some decisions and steer people towards the right path at that particular time.

If lets say right now the government is giving you the right info and you choose not to trust what they tell you who is at a loss?

Sounds like you believe the government.

I never have. "

Me neither...RIP DR David Kelly.

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Not having it

I paid privately for an antibody test which came back positive after being ill last year.

I had the delta variant, I had COVID last month.

I survived it, I’m young, unvaccinated, overweight, and have a neurological health condition.

I would say 6 weeks later and I am almost fully recovered apart from the fatigue, the breathlessness took about 4 weeks to go fully.

The symptoms are very different for different people. "

Sorry to hear about your experience. I totally agree that the experience may be very different for different people.

And even the panic may not make people to think what If I could have the vaccine. Cause some may not believe they may reach to a stage where getting intubated is the only solution.

Even though you had it bad and your symptoms lasted quite a bit you sound ok now and this is good.

You obviously believe that the whole thing fortified your immune system with antibodies and as it happened recently you have a good chance not requiring a jab for quite sometime.

Suppose though that 6-8 months down the road a more imfectuous varriant makes its appearance.

Would you be willing to risk it without a vaccine and go through the same experience, suffering and anguish without knowing what is next?

Because once down with covid things can turn from ok to bad and really bad very fast.

Some would say I ll get the vaccine cause I do not want to go through this again. Some others will not get it.

I can only imagine how it would be not being able to bring and all this suffering but I may not even be close. However, once I had a brief few minutes near death experience I would call it (even if it might not be) where all of a sudden my energy dropped from 100% to maybe 20%. It happened out of the blue gradually as if someone was using a dimmer on my emergy. Since then, I am more aware of my own mortality and I can probably understand how people transition from life to death. Therefore, in my case getting vaccinated to protect myself from a worst case scenario was easy.

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Covid: How can missing five million be persuaded to have the jab? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58594542

I find it interesting that you were told to get jabbed, you’d be free to live your life without interference and it would all be over.

I don’t like being lied to.

We all hot the same info and noone likes to being lied.

But it is a matter of interpretation. You say they lied to you. I say they told me what at that time was the info they had in hand.

It is an ongoing situation of particular urgency. They had to take some decisions and steer people towards the right path at that particular time.

If lets say right now the government is giving you the right info and you choose not to trust what they tell you who is at a loss?

Sounds like you believe the government.

I never have. "

No I do not like Boris and this government. I do not like how thanks to them we emded up with Brexit. And yhey have loed many times.

But we have a pandemic situation and I rely on this government and the NHS for action. I do not let my distrust for the government cloud my logic by looking on social media for info that may come from questionable sources.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not having it

I paid privately for an antibody test which came back positive after being ill last year.

I had the delta variant, I had COVID last month.

I survived it, I’m young, unvaccinated, overweight, and have a neurological health condition.

I would say 6 weeks later and I am almost fully recovered apart from the fatigue, the breathlessness took about 4 weeks to go fully.

The symptoms are very different for different people.

Wow your symptoms sounded exactly the same as mine I was bed ridden for 6 days horrendous coughing fits every time I moved and lost 7 kg

Fatigue for 4-5 weeks after also. Hopefully have enough antibody protection to fight off another bout if needed then

Crazy isn’t it! There’s only you and another person I spoke to who had similar weird symptoms.

It amazes me how it affects people so differently, I’m usually never sick so COVID was a shock to the system!

Oh my goodness I forgot about that symptom, you’ve just triggered my memory ha! On my life I had it too, mine was the back of my calves only, it was the weirdest sensation ever, it was itchy but when I scratched the itch my legs hurt so I compromised by lightly scratching instead.

How very strange!

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By *ustSomeDarkieMan over a year ago

Salford

Just don't want you.

The more someone or something nags me to do something the more I'll plant my feet down and say fuck off.

Just leave it to be completely optional with no demonisation or othering

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lots of different reasons.

For me just to name a few:

1) Not enough research imo.

2) Data that is plucked out of thin air. It's easy enough to say its from *source* - yeah, government sources? No thanks.

3) Hypothesis.

4) Biased reporting.

5) Side effects.

6) Menstrual issues - I have a horrid time with mine and I'm not doing anything to make them worse.

7) I try my hardest not to put man-made stuff into my body, BC included.

8) I hate being told what to do or what is best for me.

9) Gut instincts, I've never been wrong.

10) Pro informed choice.

A fellow sane mind in a sea of sanity. i'm right there with you.

..and me."

These are all valid considerations, but many apply to covid and the vaccine and I wonder how much people look at both sides.

No longer term understanding of the impact.

Have people researched for themselves if covid causes menstruation or fertility issues?

How did they get the information there are issues? Can you trust this source ?

If you don't trust data, how do you know which way its biased ?

Some of the other points are very human. A resistance to being told what to do. A belief we make good gut decions. And that's where this is interesting... It's rational versus emotional decision making. And if we are honest, we all liked made our decisions way before we saw data etc and will search for stuff that backs ourselves rather than disproves ourselves. And that's on all sides.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant. And if that’s your answer what hope have we got of getting rid of this virus "

Non what so ever, its here for good, as is the common cold and the flu bug

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lots of different reasons.

For me just to name a few:

1) Not enough research imo.

2) Data that is plucked out of thin air. It's easy enough to say its from *source* - yeah, government sources? No thanks.

3) Hypothesis.

4) Biased reporting.

5) Side effects.

6) Menstrual issues - I have a horrid time with mine and I'm not doing anything to make them worse.

7) I try my hardest not to put man-made stuff into my body, BC included.

8) I hate being told what to do or what is best for me.

9) Gut instincts, I've never been wrong.

10) Pro informed choice.

A fellow sane mind in a sea of sanity. i'm right there with you.

..and me.

These are all valid considerations, but many apply to covid and the vaccine and I wonder how much people look at both sides.

No longer term understanding of the impact.

Have people researched for themselves if covid causes menstruation or fertility issues?

How did they get the information there are issues? Can you trust this source ?

If you don't trust data, how do you know which way its biased ?

I'm not saying the vac causes menstrual issues even with all the stories from those with a uterus. I just know that all the trauma I've endured from having a uterus and menstruating each month I would do absolutely anything to avoid causing a disruption. Emergency procedures to stop me losing too much blood or emergency surgery to reduce the amount of pain endured each month is enough to put anyone off inviting more potential problems from vacs for themselves

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I understand. My OH has issues too. I guess it's balancing the risk with the vaccine with the risk of issues with covid. It's not that I'm saying anyone has made the wrong call... But we sometimes only apply an argument to one side of the debate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If it makes you feel safe, great I'm all for it. But for some it does the absolute opposite.

Pros and cons for each individual and their own health/lifestyle. Which is why it's so infuriating that you've got propaganda everywhere. NHS, celebs, government.

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By *iman2100Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Not getting the vaccination is a personal choice and in this free country it is their right to refuse; but it is a decision that affects many others.

Unvaccinated people are far more likely to catch Covid-19 and give it to someone else. They might get sick and need an ICU bed which was needed for a heart attack victim or child with cancer. They may get long covid lose their employment and become a burden on society and their family. Some of those they infect may be people with low immunity who could die. Some will be friends, family, parents, grandparents or work colleagues. Some may be key workers who will not be able to do their job so society as a whole will suffer.

The more people get Covid the more likely it is that variants will emerge. One day a variant may appear that kills children or is resistant to the protection provided by the vaccinations. We could all re-enter lockdown again and 10s of thousands more may die; But remember, it is the anti-vaxers lawful right to refuse. As the Roman Gladiators used to say "Those about to die; salute you"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m not vaccinated and don’t plan on it.. someone I know got double jabbed and it’s caused him to have a stint put into his heart from it and is no longer able to work he’s only 34..

I’m sure there’s many other cases of peoples health effected from it, most of which don’t get published.

People who have been double jabbed are still catching COVID.. in my mind you might aswell just catch it and build your own antibody rather than being told you have to do this and that, without knowing the consequences.

The only appealing side to it is being able to travel

Though I’m sure there’s a doctor out there I can bribe for that stamp lol

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By *rSshMan over a year ago

Poundbury

Because I can make my own informed decisions and decided it’s not for me for a ton of different reasons.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not getting the vaccination is a personal choice and in this free country it is their right to refuse; but it is a decision that affects many others.

But vaccinated people can still be infected with covid and spread it, albeit lower but the risk is still there.

Smokers, obese people, drug users could all get an illness related to their addiction that leads to hospital treatment where the bed could’ve been used for a child with cancer or a heart attack victim too…

Also, there are vaccinated people who have ended up in hospital with COVID, I know of three at work and one friend. It doesn’t eliminate all risk.

At one point there were more vaccinated people in hospital with COVID than unvaccinated between February and August this year… see here it goes into detail; https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/25/significant-proportions-of-people-admitted-to-hospital-or-dying-from-covid-19-in-england-are-vaccinated-this-doesnt-mean-the-vaccines-dont-work/

Not everyone who has declined the vaccine is “anti vax”.

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By *hagTonightMan over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Because I can make my own informed decisions and decided it’s not for me for a ton of different reasons."
This

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By *uckscpl_bi_femCouple over a year ago

Milton Keynes

I’m not antivax I’m just not having this one. I don’t believe I need it as got natural immunity and have seen far to many friends and family suffer quite serious side effects from the jab.

Just can’t stand the way the media, government a lot of vaccinated people some of my family included etc.. try to make you feel guilty and selfish for not taking it.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"I understand. My OH has issues too. I guess it's balancing the risk with the vaccine with the risk of issues with covid. It's not that I'm saying anyone has made the wrong call... But we sometimes only apply an argument to one side of the debate. "

Do you not think then that the govt could make a very compelling case by providing crystal clear communication on what covid does... What the vaccines do and the relative risks and benefits. There is no denying the vax plays with menstruation. The two women in my life have both had problems since the vax. Does covid do it as well? We should know that by now with over 7million positive cases. With the tiniest bit of thought the govt could resolve much of this whataboutery. But seem to be choosing not to clarify things. Let's also not forget that there are 3 columns here to consider. The vax, covid and neither vax nor covid.

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By *arry247Couple over a year ago

Wakefield

"Covid: How can missing five million be persuaded to have the jab? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58594542

Its called free choice some people just don't want any vaccinations. It's their choice and their loss, luckily they are in the minority but there will always be some who resist

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Not getting the vaccination is a personal choice and in this free country it is their right to refuse; but it is a decision that affects many others.

Some of the stuff you've said there is simply not backed up by data for the Delta variant. Look at the data for the 3 key measures. Take a look at the data and see if more people are infected that are jabbed or not.. if more people are admitted to hospital that are jabbed or not. Deaths jabbed or not. And to an extent it makes sense as most of the population is vaccinated.

Theres no doubt that generally the vaccines have been a good thing to reduce symptoms and deaths. But saying its the unvaccinated who are spreading it is irresponsible when as far as I'm aware there is no data yet about the impact of the vaccine in spreading the Delta variant. And there's no evidence to support your statement. If I'm wrong please share it with me.

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By *ella chowMan over a year ago

Bradford

Over 64% of deaths now are people who have had at least the first jab.

The jabs are NOT fully effective you can still get it or pass it on and die so why is the government letting people off with less restrictions?

And that's without the risks of possibly having side effects by having the jab and dieing trust me people have and no one knows the long term effects.

If the 2 jabs are as good as they first said why are they doing a booster with the plan of introducing a 3rd and 4th boosters aswell?

So my opinion is NOT to put unknown drugs in my body let my own body fight things and improve my defences better for the future,clean more and keep hygiene high and avoid thing's like public toilets ect ect.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But the trouble with data is you have to collect it. The yellow flag system is there for vaccines but I suspect there hasn't been any attempt to collate data covid symptons in the same way.

Furthermore, if there are two sides of the story, one side will be half way around the world before the other has had a chance to put it's shoes on. Any data now will be seen by some as just HMG pushing their vaccine agenda. And it's very hard to undo an idea. See: fat is bad for you.

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By *egasus NobMan over a year ago

Merton

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Not getting the vaccination is a personal choice and in this free country it is their right to refuse; but it is a decision that affects many others.

Here's the latest report...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1019992/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_38.pdf

It shows for week 34 to 37

Infections 680532

Not vaccinated 275845 (40%)

Admissions 8255

Not vaccinated 3220(39%)

Deaths 3158

Not vaccinated 730 (23%)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Covid: How can missing five million be persuaded to have the jab? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58594542

Because they 4king idiots

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By *ob2611Man over a year ago

Burnley

Me personally I haven't had it yet because we don't know the long term effects of these vaccines .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant

Sorry it is bollocks like this that which is killing people.

If you don't want the jabs it your choice take the risks. Pedling bollocks this is unforgiveable. I know four healthy people who listened to this anti vax rhetoric who are no longer with us.

People keep on in these threads about their choices their freedoms, what about others freedoms. Trying to convice others they should not have vaccine are you not potentially sentacing the to death.

I made a point and it was my choice don't try and twist it to suit your own ignorant argumets"

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By *ubal1Man over a year ago

Newry Down

I have spoken at length to several people who have been propagandised by antivax crackpots who are proponents of the most bizarre, outlandish and crazy conspiracy theories I have ever listened to: for example, vaccines being loaded with microchips that are switched on by 5G masts to accelerate the vaccinated person's death in order to reduce the UK's population. Unbelievable nonsense.

Thankfully, most people are now vaccinated, and booster jabs and winter flu jabs should be available soon.

Vaccines have been a boon to humankind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant

Sorry it is bollocks like this that which is killing people.

If you don't want the jabs it your choice take the risks. Pedling bollocks this is unforgiveable. I know four healthy people who listened to this anti vax rhetoric who are no longer with us.

People keep on in these threads about their choices their freedoms, what about others freedoms. Trying to convice others they should not have vaccine are you not potentially sentacing the to death.

I made a point and it was my choice don't try and twist it to suit your own ignorant argumets"

Im twisting nothing, a woman i know had a stroke after the 2nd jab, someone else died, someone else has now got myo cardiitus, some one else had vomiting, no bollox in there young man

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant

Sorry it is bollocks like this that which is killing people.

If you don't want the jabs it your choice take the risks. Pedling bollocks this is unforgiveable. I know four healthy people who listened to this anti vax rhetoric who are no longer with us.

People keep on in these threads about their choices their freedoms, what about others freedoms. Trying to convice others they should not have vaccine are you not potentially sentacing the to death.

I made a point and it was my choice don't try and twist it to suit your own ignorant argumets"
. Unfortunately the government it self has peddled bollocks about the virus and done so many U turns they are dizzy, it's called free choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant

Sorry it is bollocks like this that which is killing people.

If you don't want the jabs it your choice take the risks. Pedling bollocks this is unforgiveable. I know four healthy people who listened to this anti vax rhetoric who are no longer with us.

People keep on in these threads about their choices their freedoms, what about others freedoms. Trying to convice others they should not have vaccine are you not potentially sentacing the to death.

I made a point and it was my choice don't try and twist it to suit your own ignorant argumets

Mu argument is based on a womam i lnow who had a strokebafter the 2nd jab, someone else at 49 died after the second jab, someone else i know has now got myocardiitus, so have less of the bollox if you please!!"
you're one unlucky fella based on the yellow flag numbers. I hope those who can recover do so quickly.

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By *xycpl699Couple over a year ago

kilmarnock

"For those who are concerned that it will be twice a year jabs...

If you knew this at the start would you have been okay with it? And why is twice a year a much bigger thing than a one off ? "
I am double jabbed but won't be having booster.hollie

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By *elshsunsWoman over a year ago

Flintshire

"I have spoken at length to several people who have been propagandised by antivax crackpots who are proponents of the most bizarre, outlandish and crazy conspiracy theories I have ever listened to: for example, vaccines being loaded with microchips that are switched on by 5G masts to accelerate the vaccinated person's death in order to reduce the UK's population. Unbelievable nonsense.

Thankfully, most people are now vaccinated, and booster jabs and winter flu jabs should be available soon.

Vaccines have been a boon to humankind.

Have they hell

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By *igh wide and handsomeMan over a year ago

Dagenham

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By *igh wide and handsomeMan over a year ago

Dagenham

Can someone explain why I would give the vaccine to my kids, when they've both had covid and not displayed any symptoms, why would I Risk the side effects of a vaccine?

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant

Sorry it is bollocks like this that which is killing people.

If you don't want the jabs it your choice take the risks. Pedling bollocks this is unforgiveable. I know four healthy people who listened to this anti vax rhetoric who are no longer with us.

People keep on in these threads about their choices their freedoms, what about others freedoms. Trying to convice others they should not have vaccine are you not potentially sentacing the to death.

I made a point and it was my choice don't try and twist it to suit your own ignorant argumets

I know someone who had a stroke before there vaccine. Must be related

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By *dysseusukMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Personally, in the case of the vaccine, i say fuck personal choice, and transfer the 5m to a desert island after infecting a few of them first with a high viral load of COVID and a Kentucky Fried chicken bucket and see what happens. Now that's what i would call an experiment!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You do you and let other people worry about themselves..

Mind your business...

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By *iman2100Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Not getting the vaccination is a personal choice and in this free country it is their right to refuse; but it is a decision that affects many others.

But vaccinated people can still be infected with covid and spread it, albeit lower but the risk is still there.

Also, there are vaccinated people who have ended up in hospital with COVID, I know of three at work and one friend. It doesn’t eliminate all risk.

Not everyone who has declined the vaccine is “anti vax”. "

True, some decline for other reasons. Anti-vax is now being used as a generic term.

No vaccine is ever perfect but it still better than nothing. Yes about smokers, another group who have the free will to mess up their lives and health. I wonder how many smokers would refuse a vaccine that stopped them getting cancer or heart disease?

The number of double vax people dying now is less than 1% of Covid fatalities. The early proportion of vaccinated people with covid is thought to be one of three things. 1. They were infected before vaccination, 2. They caught it soon after vaccination before the body had built a resistence 3. their immune system did not respond well to the vaccination.

Nothing is perfect. The number of vaccinations given world wide is now over 3.4 billion. If there were issues of any significant proportion you would have heard about it by now.

My thoughts are, if someone has a very bad reaction to the vaccine which contains a tiny, non-viable, element of the virus then how would they react to the real thing ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For a handful, the vaccine genuinely isn't safe for them.

For the remainder, I get the impression they've mainly been convinced vaccines are bad or uneeded via bullshit on social media or bullshit via word of mouth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not getting the vaccination is a personal choice and in this free country it is their right to refuse; but it is a decision that affects many others.

But vaccinated people can still be infected with covid and spread it, albeit lower but the risk is still there.

Also, there are vaccinated people who have ended up in hospital with COVID, I know of three at work and one friend. It doesn’t eliminate all risk.

Not everyone who has declined the vaccine is “anti vax”.

True, some decline for other reasons. Anti-vax is now being used as a generic term.

Nothing is perfect. The number of vaccinations given world wide is now over 3.4 billion. If there were issues of any significant proportion you would have heard about it by now.

My thoughts are, if someone has a very bad reaction to the vaccine which contains a tiny, non-viable, element of the virus then how would they react to the real thing ?

Smoking is a choice though, it may not be a choice you or I agree with but as adults those who choose to smoke are free to do so, equally as those who choose not to have a vaccine are.

I’m not a smoker. I am overweight so I’m sure I come under some’s “selfish” category since I could end up in hospital with an illness related to my weight, which would mean I’ve taken up the bed of a truly sick person right?

The issues don’t have to be of significant portion, everything comes with side effects and for some people that’s enough for them to not want to have it. It may be different in 5 years time, it may not.

I personally wouldn’t take a vaccine that stopped cancer or heart disease if it was pretty new just like the COVID vaccine, my view and my stance would be the exact same.

Although your comparison isn’t at all accurate since getting the COVID vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID…

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

No you do not understand he needs the eggs.

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By *oonloverWoman over a year ago

bognor regis

"Lots of different reasons.

For me just to name a few:

1) Not enough research imo.

2) Data that is plucked out of thin air. It's easy enough to say its from *source* - yeah, government sources? No thanks.

3) Hypothesis.

4) Biased reporting.

5) Side effects.

6) Menstrual issues - I have a horrid time with mine and I'm not doing anything to make them worse.

7) I try my hardest not to put man-made stuff into my body, BC included.

8) I hate being told what to do or what is best for me.

9) Gut instincts, I've never been wrong.

10) Pro informed choice. "

You have exactly summed up my feelings

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By *iman2100Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Not getting the vaccination is a personal choice and in this free country it is their right to refuse; but it is a decision that affects many others.

But vaccinated people can still be infected with covid and spread it, albeit lower but the risk is still there.

Also, there are vaccinated people who have ended up in hospital with COVID, I know of three at work and one friend. It doesn’t eliminate all risk.

Not everyone who has declined the vaccine is “anti vax”.

True, some decline for other reasons. Anti-vax is now being used as a generic term.

Nothing is perfect. The number of vaccinations given world wide is now over 3.4 billion. If there were issues of any significant proportion you would have heard about it by now.

My thoughts are, if someone has a very bad reaction to the vaccine which contains a tiny, non-viable, element of the virus then how would they react to the real thing ?

Smoking is a choice though, it may not be a choice you or I agree with but as adults those who choose to smoke are free to do so, equally as those who choose not to have a vaccine are.

I personally wouldn’t take a vaccine that stopped cancer or heart disease if it was pretty new just like the COVID vaccine, my view and my stance would be the exact same.

Although your comparison isn’t at all accurate since getting the COVID vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID…

No one is saying you or anti-vaxers (generic) are selfish. It is just they are increasing the risks for other people by exercising their right to not be vaccinated. If the antivaxers are comfortable with that, that is fine but as time goes on it is more than ever before the unvaccinated who are falling sick and going to hospital.

Wait 5 years? It is 53 years since the first measles vaccinations and there are still refusers. If someone does not want to be vaccinated; own it! Don't try and kick it into the long grass.

Not sure what your final paragraph was saying but you must know that vaccinated people in general suffer far less effects from covid than unvaccinated ones.

However, our bodies immune system is not a suit of armour where no virus can penetrate. It works by identifying the virus once it has entered and attacking it. Consequently, for a short time, the person has Covid before their immune system defeats it.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Not getting the vaccination is a personal choice and in this free country it is their right to refuse; but it is a decision that affects many others.

But vaccinated people can still be infected with covid and spread it, albeit lower but the risk is still there.

Also, there are vaccinated people who have ended up in hospital with COVID, I know of three at work and one friend. It doesn’t eliminate all risk.

Not everyone who has declined the vaccine is “anti vax”.

True, some decline for other reasons. Anti-vax is now being used as a generic term.

Nothing is perfect. The number of vaccinations given world wide is now over 3.4 billion. If there were issues of any significant proportion you would have heard about it by now.

My thoughts are, if someone has a very bad reaction to the vaccine which contains a tiny, non-viable, element of the virus then how would they react to the real thing ?

Your facts are wrong there. From the latest data today.

For the 4 weeks 34 to 37.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1019992/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_38.pdf

It shows for week 34 to 37

Infections 680532

Not vaccinated 275845 (40%)

Admissions 8255

Not vaccinated 3220(39%)

Deaths 3158

Not vaccinated 730 (23%)

So 77 percent of deaths are vaccinated.

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By *anuel ducatiMan over a year ago

leyburn

"…these vaccinations have already started to show damaging side affects

Really? Would love to know your information sources on this. We’ve not come across anything!"

Side affects!!, I'm more concerned about the possible side affects from not having the vaccine.

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By *ella chowMan over a year ago

Bradford

"Covid: How can missing five million be persuaded to have the jab? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58594542

Because they 4king idiots "

That's totally disrespectful.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Smoking is a choice though, it may not be a choice you or I agree with but as adults those who choose to smoke are free to do so, equally as those who choose not to have a vaccine are.

I personally wouldn’t take a vaccine that stopped cancer or heart disease if it was pretty new just like the COVID vaccine, my view and my stance would be the exact same.

Although your comparison isn’t at all accurate since getting the COVID vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID…

Wait 5 years? It is 53 years since the first measles vaccinations and there are still refusers. If someone does not want to be vaccinated; own it! Don't try and kick it into the long grass.

Not sure what your final paragraph was saying but you must know that vaccinated people in general suffer far less effects from covid than unvaccinated ones.

I’m okay with that. I choose not to have the vaccine if that in your view is “putting people at risk” that’s your opinion. I mean, if you’ve been vaccinated, you’re somewhat protected, to protect yourself even further you can always continue to wear a mask in a public setting, social distance and even have your own personal lockdown if you feel us unvaccinated are that risky, you can’t police others and their choices so probably best to focus on what *you* can do to keep yourself as safe as possible, right?

You are clearly taking my comment about 5 years time literally and not generally… I don’t want the vaccine, I’m owning that, and I’ll own any insult or slur anyone who is against my choice will call me. I’m cool with that.

My final paragraph was quite clear. You attempted to compare an imaginary vaccine for cancer or heart disease that would STOP you getting it to the COVID vaccine which doesn’t stop you getting COVID. Pretty easy to understand if you ask me. Lower risk doesn’t mean no risk.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Personally, in the case of the vaccine, i say fuck personal choice, and transfer the 5m to a desert island after infecting a few of them first with a high viral load of COVID and a Kentucky Fried chicken bucket and see what happens. Now that's what i would call an experiment!! "
only if we can use you as the boat anchor

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By * couple of pervsCouple over a year ago

dundee

"Quercetin, zinc and vit d3

Will boost yourimmune ststem"

Only if you are deficient in them which is rare. Snake oil! Unlike covid vaccines

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Posting as a medic. So will try to keep this simple without too much jargon! We are now seeing a disproportionate amount of unvaccinated people now on ITU requiring respiratory support to keep them alive breathing! Right now we are at a tipping point - most people have now been double vaccinated but unless we ALL get vaccinated then we risk new variant(s) of disease having chance to develop and then spread - we ALL need to be selfless right now- get vaccinated people?! FFS - we all wanna have a nice and healthy sex life again without asking for ‘double protection’ of face mask and condom - perhaps this is why glory holes were invested?!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Don't really need or want one

Do you think other people need one ?"

If they want one they can have one, if they don't think they need one, they don't need one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Posting as a medic. So will try to keep this simple without too much jargon! We are now seeing a disproportionate amount of unvaccinated people now on ITU requiring respiratory support to keep them alive breathing! Right now we are at a tipping point - most people have now been double vaccinated but unless we ALL get vaccinated then we risk new variant(s) of disease having chance to develop and then spread - we ALL need to be selfless right now- get vaccinated people?! FFS - we all wanna have a nice and healthy sex life again without asking for ‘double protection’ of face mask and condom - perhaps this is why glory holes were invested?! "

You are never ever going to vaccinate every single person in the U.K.

Others are free to wear a mask to meets etc, but I won’t be.

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Smoking is a choice though, it may not be a choice you or I agree with but as adults those who choose to smoke are free to do so, equally as those who choose not to have a vaccine are.

I personally wouldn’t take a vaccine that stopped cancer or heart disease if it was pretty new just like the COVID vaccine, my view and my stance would be the exact same.

Although your comparison isn’t at all accurate since getting the COVID vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID…

Wait 5 years? It is 53 years since the first measles vaccinations and there are still refusers. If someone does not want to be vaccinated; own it! Don't try and kick it into the long grass.

Not sure what your final paragraph was saying but you must know that vaccinated people in general suffer far less effects from covid than unvaccinated ones.

But this is what (at least) some of us do: focus on what *we* can do to keep ourselves as safe as possible.

Think about it. We spend some time here trying to educate people we do not know amd talk sense to them. I have done this with my family and friends. Some listened. some did not listen. But I have done my part. Besides having their best interest in my heart as they are close to me, I am trying to keep myself as safe as possible because they around me.

Now, all these people in the forum are strangers to me. They may be many many miles away from me. Our paths will probably never cross and if anything nad covid related happen to them I may never find out. But by yalling to them and trying educating them I cut my risk. Cause having a country with 90% vaccinated over 80% vaccinated cuts down my risk and keeps me safe as much as possible.

Others are distributing leaflets. Others volunteer at vaccination centers etc

I prefer to talk to some people here. It is not that I am bored or lonely or enjoy having /winning arguments or proving a point. I notice that some people are seriously misinformed and I am trying to cut down my risk by educating them, pointing them to the right direction. I may not succeed but even if one or two see some sense it is a good thing. It is not about policing. It is 1. caring about myself and cut down my risk by having more people vaccinated and 2. caring about people.

And probably If you ask some other people in this forum why they try and spend time to talk to invaccimated they will tell you the same thing. Trying to cut down their risk. 90% of the country vaccinated is a lot better than 80%. Because we want to feel safer and because we want to return back to normal too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Youve just answered your own question

Wake up people, “double jabbed and just getting over covid”

The jab did fuck all there then but your immune system did

You have had a reaction to the jabs, what the Biased Broadcasting Corporation have labelled the Delta variant"

What an absolute donkey!!

An uneducated post from an individual who has no idea how the innate and adaptive immune system functions.

It is this lack of understanding that allows the mid-education of the masses, by perpetuating the misinformation that is made up by idiots. You, and your like, are potentially dangerous to society.

Just got over Covid. Very mild, and would certainly have been worse, had I not benefitted from science, and had the jabs.

This guy has no idea what science is!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"most people have now been double vaccinated but unless we ALL get vaccinated then we risk new variant(s) of disease having chance to develop and then spread - we ALL need to be selfless right now- get vaccinated people?!"

The focus on this particular problem is those in many parts of the world that haven't yet had any jabs. No amount of jabs in this country can change that.

Given the disease is apparently still spreading among those that have been vaccinated isn't it likely that we will see new variants anyway? Presumably this is what is meant by those claiming that the disease will become a common cold type illness next year?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Smoking is a choice though, it may not be a choice you or I agree with but as adults those who choose to smoke are free to do so, equally as those who choose not to have a vaccine are.

I personally wouldn’t take a vaccine that stopped cancer or heart disease if it was pretty new just like the COVID vaccine, my view and my stance would be the exact same.

Although your comparison isn’t at all accurate since getting the COVID vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID…

Wait 5 years? It is 53 years since the first measles vaccinations and there are still refusers. If someone does not want to be vaccinated; own it! Don't try and kick it into the long grass.

Not sure what your final paragraph was saying but you must know that vaccinated people in general suffer far less effects from covid than unvaccinated ones.

But this is what (at least) some of us do: focus on what *we* can do to keep ourselves as safe as possible.

Others are distributing leaflets. Others volunteer at vaccination centers etc

It's a good point you make and you make it well. I observe that the sentiment works on both sides of the discussion. It's not just the unvaccinated who are misinformed. There is plenty of misinformation on all sides. (one above... Only 1% of deaths are vaccinated being one such example) Your final sentiment..

" Because we want to feel safer and because we want to return back to normal too" not sure there are many who would disagree with that. But I'd suggest it requires more sense and less misinformation from everybody alike.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Smoking is a choice though, it may not be a choice you or I agree with but as adults those who choose to smoke are free to do so, equally as those who choose not to have a vaccine are.

I personally wouldn’t take a vaccine that stopped cancer or heart disease if it was pretty new just like the COVID vaccine, my view and my stance would be the exact same.

Although your comparison isn’t at all accurate since getting the COVID vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID…

Wait 5 years? It is 53 years since the first measles vaccinations and there are still refusers. If someone does not want to be vaccinated; own it! Don't try and kick it into the long grass.

Not sure what your final paragraph was saying but you must know that vaccinated people in general suffer far less effects from covid than unvaccinated ones.

But this is what (at least) some of us do: focus on what *we* can do to keep ourselves as safe as possible.

Others are distributing leaflets. Others volunteer at vaccination centers etc

Thank you. But at least, even the misinformed vaccinated, are vaccinated. And this is a plus point already.

Of course the misinformed vaccinated who think that they are 100% safe for them and for others are a danger for us too. And if I see people thinking that they are 100% safe I will try to steer them to the right information and provide them with the right links.

Misinformation is a danger for everyone, no doubt.

And in no way I suggest that the vaccinated ones are holier than the rest. But even the misinformed vaccinated ones got the damn thing in them, so just from this viewpoint they raise the overall percentage of the vaccinated. But if they are not careful and think it is over because they are not well informed or missinformed, they are still posing a danger to themselves and to others.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Because its their choice. NOT YOURSE

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

For as many reasons as there are people, I'm sure.

The government messaging has been poor, and their track record otherwise is appalling. In some ways it's not surprising.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But this is what (at least) some of us do: focus on what *we* can do to keep ourselves as safe as possible.

Others are distributing leaflets. Others volunteer at vaccination centers etc

There’s talking and then there’s patronising and being unnecessarily nasty because an individual doesn’t make the same choices you do.

This isn’t referring to you by the way, it’s referring to people calling the unvaccinated by choice idiots and all sorts.

Read back your comments “If one of them sees sense” “They are misinformed” your opinion of those who are unvaccinated is already low, hence why you think them choosing to not have the vaccine means they have no sense or that they’re misinformed. Do you not see how you’re proving exactly what I said is correct? Maybe some of us have done our research for hours on end, spoke about it and still decided that we don’t want it.

How does that correlate to not seeing sense?

As I said, if you feel you are at risk with the majority of the country now being double vaccinated stick to wearing your masks in public settings, social distance etc… nobody is stopping you from doing those things to minimise your risk even further.

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

But this is what (at least) some of us do: focus on what *we* can do to keep ourselves as safe as possible.

Others are distributing leaflets. Others volunteer at vaccination centers etc

There’s talking and then there’s patronising and being unnecessarily nasty because an individual doesn’t make the same choices you do.

This isn’t referring to you by the way, it’s referring to people calling the unvaccinated by choice idiots and all sorts.

How does that correlate to not seeing sense?

Don’t know… You have done your research, actually more than that, at some point your life was at risk so I guess you know very well how it is to suffer from covid symptoms. But still, you said above that you do not want the vaccine and you will not use mask. Up to you, nobody can force you.

You may know more than me, you may know less than me, I do not know. But I can still try to educate you by pointing you to the right direction. You may see this as policing or patronising but I do not see it this way. Masks social distancing and other ways will protect me but a 90% UK vaccination coverage will protect me even more than 80%. Do you disagree with this statement? That 90% will protect me more than 80%? If you do not disagree, this is why this statement makes sense to me.

You attend this house party with all these new people for the first time and you have condoms with you. And you find out that nobody else is using. Are you going to go with the flow and not offering them a condom or are you going to stay silent or leave? What will you do? It is their choice but if you go along with the flow you are at risk. If you offer them condoms or imsist is it patronising or policing? It is for everybody’s good for a safer fun.

This example is because i read about a couple who went to meet another couple at their place. The other couple wanted bareback but it wasnt for them. Nothing happened but this couple said that they still sat down with them for about an hour and had a chat about condoms and protection. Could it this be seen as policing and patronising? By some people, of course. But not by me. They did the right thing, even if the other couple may not see sense.

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By *ubeeStarrXoXTV/TS over a year ago

Leeds

"Smoking is a choice though, it may not be a choice you or I agree with but as adults those who choose to smoke are free to do so, equally as those who choose not to have a vaccine are.

I personally wouldn’t take a vaccine that stopped cancer or heart disease if it was pretty new just like the COVID vaccine, my view and my stance would be the exact same.

Although your comparison isn’t at all accurate since getting the COVID vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID…

Wait 5 years? It is 53 years since the first measles vaccinations and there are still refusers. If someone does not want to be vaccinated; own it! Don't try and kick it into the long grass.

Not sure what your final paragraph was saying but you must know that vaccinated people in general suffer far less effects from covid than unvaccinated ones.

But this is what (at least) some of us do: focus on what *we* can do to keep ourselves as safe as possible.

Others are distributing leaflets. Others volunteer at vaccination centers etc

2. Caring about people? I very much doubt that. That post screams nothing but “me me me” I’ve read all your other posts and I wouldn’t listen to a single thing you had to say, you come across as so entitled “it’s my duty this and my duty that” like seriously who do you think you’re?

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By *traight_no_iceMan over a year ago

Stoke

"Smoking is a choice though, it may not be a choice you or I agree with but as adults those who choose to smoke are free to do so, equally as those who choose not to have a vaccine are.

I personally wouldn’t take a vaccine that stopped cancer or heart disease if it was pretty new just like the COVID vaccine, my view and my stance would be the exact same.

Although your comparison isn’t at all accurate since getting the COVID vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID…

Wait 5 years? It is 53 years since the first measles vaccinations and there are still refusers. If someone does not want to be vaccinated; own it! Don't try and kick it into the long grass.

Not sure what your final paragraph was saying but you must know that vaccinated people in general suffer far less effects from covid than unvaccinated ones.

But this is what (at least) some of us do: focus on what *we* can do to keep ourselves as safe as possible.

Others are distributing leaflets. Others volunteer at vaccination centers etc

You are entitled of an opinion as everyone. If you believe that a personal attack minimizes your covid risk, I welcome it. Stay safe!

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Duty is about obligation to others, not entitlement.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"Smoking is a choice though, it may not be a choice you or I agree with but as adults those who choose to smoke are free to do so, equally as those who choose not to have a vaccine are.

I personally wouldn’t take a vaccine that stopped cancer or heart disease if it was pretty new just like the COVID vaccine, my view and my stance would be the exact same.

Although your comparison isn’t at all accurate since getting the COVID vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID…

Wait 5 years? It is 53 years since the first measles vaccinations and there are still refusers. If someone does not want to be vaccinated; own it! Don't try and kick it into the long grass.

Not sure what your final paragraph was saying but you must know that vaccinated people in general suffer far less effects from covid than unvaccinated ones.

But this is what (at least) some of us do: focus on what *we* can do to keep ourselves as safe as possible.

Others are distributing leaflets. Others volunteer at vaccination centers etc

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

" 90% UK vaccination coverage will protect me even more than 80%. Do you disagree with this statement? That 90% will protect me more than 80%? If you do not disagree, this is why this statement makes sense to me."

You say this as if the only thing that matters for your safety is somebody else's vaccine status. There are many things that will keep people safer or at higher risk. For a start testing and then isolating if positive. Eg if someone near you tests positive and you are double jabbed... Now there is no need to isolate and test. Is that safe? If you go to an event with 30k people there or if you don't. Is it safer to attend an event where all people are jabbed or where all people are tested negative? People's behaviours make a difference. I think the implication you seem to be making that someone who has been jabbed is de facto safer for you than someone who has not been jabbed is a false assumption. It is true that the vaxes reduce symptoms, hospitalisations and deaths. But that doesn't mean

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" 2. Caring about people? I very much doubt that. That post screams nothing but “me me me” I’ve read all your other posts and I wouldn’t listen to a single thing you had to say, you come across as so entitled “it’s my duty this and my duty that” like seriously who do you think you’re?"

Absolutely spot on.

The entitlement of some who a pro vaccination never ceases to amaze. They think their opinion and beliefs are above everyone else’s.

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