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"Please feel free to share with the forum your qualifications and experience with regards to PCR testing which inform your beleif that they cannot discriminate between Flu and Covid infections " This should be interesting. | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again"  | |||
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"Lol my kids put orange juice on their tests to get out of school for 10 days lol madness came up positive "Scientists in the making    | |||
"Lol my kids put orange juice on their tests to get out of school for 10 days lol madness came up positive "Really!! Fresh orange or cordial? | |||
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"I wasn’t impressed but the whole school got closed down, no one clued on until it started to go around on tictoc "Lateral flow tests, not the more accurate PCR? | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" 3 divided by 3 = 1 1.28 divided by 3= 0.43 If you don't understand above then I suggest you keep quiet... | |||
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Its mutations are random and, to some extent, we are subject to the flu and virus controls in the southern hemisphere, during our summer time. It's not been an awful season for them, so there's hope but no certainty for us, except that it will be here at present.
Whether further restrictions are imposed that hamper covid, thus indirectly flu too, will help to determine how our winter is.
If an even larger percentage of the population gets flu vaccinated, than last year, it will protect even more of us. (Subject to the flu strain predictions being accurate). | |||
"Fresh orange juice and lucozade (little bleeders) both I didn’t believe um until I tried it myself all positive "Anything acidic directly on the test kit will trigger it. Of course if you do the test correctly, i.e. put test swabin the buffer solution, even with orange juice you won't get a positive result. Obviously orange juice or whatever won't trigger a positive on a PCR as the sample is processed in the lab. | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" It was likely the restrictions last year that limited the reach of flu. Last year was the first year we did not see our parents at Xmas and therefore no bugs being passed from little kids to grandparents. As for the tests yes they can tell the difference, because influenza and covid are very different viruses. | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" Flu was virtually non existant last year, because the same things that reduce the spread of COVID-19 also work for flu and colds. I would have thought this was obvious and logical. The PCR test is done in a lab and they absolutely know the difference between COVID-19 and one of the influenza viruses. This also seems logical, as they are different viruses. | |||
"No both actually "I was just saying this afternoon to a friend that I can't understand parents not supervising their children's tests. | |||
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"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again Flu was virtually non existant last year, because the same things that reduce the spread of COVID-19 also work for flu and colds. I would have thought this was obvious and logical. The PCR test is done in a lab and they absolutely know the difference between COVID-19 and one of the influenza viruses. This also seems logical, as they are different viruses." influenza cases were low last year because covid 18 was the diminant virus masks don’t work neither do the lockdowns we have | |||
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"I'd put bets on it, viral bronchitis is doing the rounds now in kids which is normally a winter occasion, because they were not exposed in the same numbers because of social distancing, I bet we see lots of bugs doing the rounds now social distancing is pretty much non existent " We all caught that and the baby,who was 1 at the time was really ill. The hospital said babies are getting very ill because they haven't been exposed to many people during lockdown. Took weeks for her to clear it. | |||
"I'd put bets on it, viral bronchitis is doing the rounds now in kids which is normally a winter occasion, because they were not exposed in the same numbers because of social distancing, I bet we see lots of bugs doing the rounds now social distancing is pretty much non existent " Yep I agree, lots more snot to clear up this winter! | |||
"I think we're all fucked thanks to lock downs. " Or not as the case may be lol | |||
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"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" Head over to Planet Rulers who define a dictator as the ruler of a land rated “Not Free” by the Freedom House in their annual survey of freedom. None of these dictators have the power to lock us down so nothing to worry about OP. | |||
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"Please feel free to share with the forum your qualifications and experience with regards to PCR testing which inform your beleif that they cannot discriminate between Flu and Covid infections " Love. This!! | |||
"Please feel free to share with the forum your qualifications and experience with regards to PCR testing which inform your beleif that they cannot discriminate between Flu and Covid infections Love. This!! "Does youtube count? | |||
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"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" Technically viruses don't like sharing the same victims, basically they take it in turns to be the head honcho, the return of flu will indicate sars-cov2 has lost its mantle, which is a good thing. | |||
"I'd put bets on it, viral bronchitis is doing the rounds now in kids which is normally a winter occasion, because they were not exposed in the same numbers because of social distancing, I bet we see lots of bugs doing the rounds now social distancing is pretty much non existent We all caught that and the baby,who was 1 at the time was really ill. The hospital said babies are getting very ill because they haven't been exposed to many people during lockdown. Took weeks for her to clear it." Viruses are part of nature, there's an entire chain of evidence that suggests you shouldn't interfere with it but alas sometimes it's to dangerous to our way of life(NHS) not to and therefore you will get this scenario over the following years. Is it of concern? No almost definitely not. | |||
" Viruses are part of nature, there's an entire chain of evidence that suggests you shouldn't interfere with it but alas sometimes it's to dangerous to our way of life(NHS) not to and therefore you will get this scenario over the following years. Is it of concern? No almost definitely not." I'd be interested to hear about your chain of evidence that viruses shouldn't be interfered with... Obviously you could make the argument that a different type of interference (eating meat, intensive farming etc...) is responsible for the viral jump from animals to human, and that's certainly something that the Vegan organisations have a chain of evidence for. I'm personally not sure that a global return to the diets and food gathering methods of prehistoric man are really an option. In the past, there have been viral pandemics that have wiped out many millions of people. In the 14th century a strain of bubonic is estimated to have killed as many as 200 million people. Even as recently as c1918 The Spanish Flu killed around 50 Million... | |||
"Flu didn't go away. We kept the numbers down by keeping away from those pesky flu infected, dirty non hand washing folks. We could do it this year too if you fancy a whirl. "So flu cases were down due to the lockdowns even Bodwink said so yet if that’s the case I’d like an explanation of how there were still so many covid cases/ deaths etc when basically both are spread in the same manner.  | |||
"Flu didn't go away. We kept the numbers down by keeping away from those pesky flu infected, dirty non hand washing folks. We could do it this year too if you fancy a whirl.
So flu cases were down due to the lockdowns even Bodwink said so yet if that’s the case I’d like an explanation of how there were still so many covid cases/ deaths etc when basically both are spread in the same manner. "Logic would suggest that the large number of Covid cases despite the measures in place is a good indication of just how bad it would have been WITHOUT those measures. It seems glaringly obvious to me. Cal | |||
"I'd put bets on it, viral bronchitis is doing the rounds now in kids which is normally a winter occasion, because they were not exposed in the same numbers because of social distancing, I bet we see lots of bugs doing the rounds now social distancing is pretty much non existent We all caught that and the baby,who was 1 at the time was really ill. The hospital said babies are getting very ill because they haven't been exposed to many people during lockdown. Took weeks for her to clear it. Viruses are part of nature, there's an entire chain of evidence that suggests you shouldn't interfere with it but alas sometimes it's to dangerous to our way of life(NHS) not to and therefore you will get this scenario over the following years. Is it of concern? No almost definitely not." In my opinion, it is of some concern if you see 3 people from the same household -irrespective of their age/health to be admitted in ICU, intubated and die within a few hours of one another. This is not a normal virus and if there is such a virus we should definitely try to interfere. | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" See … until the last nine words you were on reasonable ground then you just go ahead and look stupid. The SNP and wee jimmy may well have a grip on power in Scotland but you know there is a thing called an election where you and your fellow Scots can turf out “the dictator”. You even get a second shot at it in the UK General Election whereas us poor English only get the one shot, even so that alone rules out the preposterous notion that there is no choice. | |||
" Viruses are part of nature, there's an entire chain of evidence that suggests you shouldn't interfere with it but alas sometimes it's to dangerous to our way of life(NHS) not to and therefore you will get this scenario over the following years. Is it of concern? No almost definitely not. I'd be interested to hear about your chain of evidence that viruses shouldn't be interfered with... Obviously you could make the argument that a different type of interference (eating meat, intensive farming etc...) is responsible for the viral jump from animals to human, and that's certainly something that the Vegan organisations have a chain of evidence for. I'm personally not sure that a global return to the diets and food gathering methods of prehistoric man are really an option. In the past, there have been viral pandemics that have wiped out many millions of people. In the 14th century a strain of bubonic is estimated to have killed as many as 200 million people. Even as recently as c1918 The Spanish Flu killed around 50 Million..." I literally wrote they had to interfere in this one because of its ability to collapse health services!. All the rest was about everyday viruses that humans come in contact with, the chain of evidence is called evolutionary biology, everything has it's purpose including viruses. | |||
"I'd put bets on it, viral bronchitis is doing the rounds now in kids which is normally a winter occasion, because they were not exposed in the same numbers because of social distancing, I bet we see lots of bugs doing the rounds now social distancing is pretty much non existent We all caught that and the baby,who was 1 at the time was really ill. The hospital said babies are getting very ill because they haven't been exposed to many people during lockdown. Took weeks for her to clear it. Viruses are part of nature, there's an entire chain of evidence that suggests you shouldn't interfere with it but alas sometimes it's to dangerous to our way of life(NHS) not to and therefore you will get this scenario over the following years. Is it of concern? No almost definitely not. In my opinion, it is of some concern if you see 3 people from the same household -irrespective of their age/health to be admitted in ICU, intubated and die within a few hours of one another. This is not a normal virus and if there is such a virus we should definitely try to interfere. " What virus are you referring to? | |||
"Flu didn't go away. We kept the numbers down by keeping away from those pesky flu infected, dirty non hand washing folks. We could do it this year too if you fancy a whirl.
So flu cases were down due to the lockdowns even Bodwink said so yet if that’s the case I’d like an explanation of how there were still so many covid cases/ deaths etc when basically both are spread in the same manner. "This has been explained many many times. But if you don't listen or don't want to understand as you have an unmovable belief in something else then we would all be wasting your time and ours to explain it again. So the question is do you want an explanation or just want to have people to disagree with? | |||
"I'd put bets on it, viral bronchitis is doing the rounds now in kids which is normally a winter occasion, because they were not exposed in the same numbers because of social distancing, I bet we see lots of bugs doing the rounds now social distancing is pretty much non existent We all caught that and the baby,who was 1 at the time was really ill. The hospital said babies are getting very ill because they haven't been exposed to many people during lockdown. Took weeks for her to clear it. Viruses are part of nature, there's an entire chain of evidence that suggests you shouldn't interfere with it but alas sometimes it's to dangerous to our way of life(NHS) not to and therefore you will get this scenario over the following years. Is it of concern? No almost definitely not. In my opinion, it is of some concern if you see 3 people from the same household -irrespective of their age/health to be admitted in ICU, intubated and die within a few hours of one another. This is not a normal virus and if there is such a virus we should definitely try to interfere. What virus are you referring to?" I am refering to covid. I know that the thread is about flu and you probably refer to flu in your statement but since you also mentioned that viruses are part of nature… I do not know whether this virus is part of nature or a lab created one (even though I do not think it was created in a lab) but I still believe we should interfere on certain viruses because they are dangerous and not nevessarily because they will bring the health system to their knees. | |||
"Flu didn't go away. We kept the numbers down by keeping away from those pesky flu infected, dirty non hand washing folks. We could do it this year too if you fancy a whirl.
So flu cases were down due to the lockdowns even Bodwink said so yet if that’s the case I’d like an explanation of how there were still so many covid cases/ deaths etc when basically both are spread in the same manner. "We were obsessed, quite rightly so with Covid. Covid more transmissable although all virus needs a host. Most people with seasonal flu don't die and most are jabbed. Not counting flu deaths, hospital admissions in the same way, I've only seen a few patients with flu like symptoms. Real flu, not a bad cold, lots of people say had terrible dose of flu but only had a cold. The reasons go on and on. But washing those dirty mitts of yours especially when ward visits get back into full swing will help enormously. Stay safe. | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" If you don't know how flu is transmitted and you don't know what measures help stop it's spread, there's really not much point in trying to explain how daft your post is. | |||
"Flu didn't go away. We kept the numbers down by keeping away from those pesky flu infected, dirty non hand washing folks. We could do it this year too if you fancy a whirl.
So flu cases were down due to the lockdowns even Bodwink said so yet if that’s the case I’d like an explanation of how there were still so many covid cases/ deaths etc when basically both are spread in the same manner.
Logic would suggest that the large number of Covid cases despite the measures in place is a good indication of just how bad it would have been WITHOUT those measures.
It seems glaringly obvious to me.
Cal"What Cal said. | |||
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"Fresh orange juice and lucozade (little bleeders) both I didn’t believe um until I tried it myself all positive "Yes. Any acidic liquid will produce a false positive with the lateral flow test but you don’t get an acidic solution if you swab as instructed rather than pouring orange juice and wasting a test paid for by taxpayers | |||
"I have to say that it worrying what people think a dictatorship is. We most certainly don't live in a society where one person is totally in control, no debates, no votes, no disagreement. Everything that the government decides to do has to be agreed an passed via a vote, the government normally win the votes because they have more MPs... Cal" | |||
"Flu didn't go away. We kept the numbers down by keeping away from those pesky flu infected, dirty non hand washing folks. We could do it this year too if you fancy a whirl.
So flu cases were down due to the lockdowns even Bodwink said so yet if that’s the case I’d like an explanation of how there were still so many covid cases/ deaths etc when basically both are spread in the same manner.
Logic would suggest that the large number of Covid cases despite the measures in place is a good indication of just how bad it would have been WITHOUT those measures.
It seems glaringly obvious to me.
Cal
What Cal said. "I find Cal always brings intelligence, sense and reasoning to these debates | |||
"I have to say that it worrying what people think a dictatorship is. We most certainly don't live in a society where one person is totally in control, no debates, no votes, no disagreement. Everything that the government decides to do has to be agreed an passed via a vote, the government normally win the votes because they have more MPs... Cal" I think people feel that throwing around hyperbolic statements somehow strengths the point they are trying to make. Whereas actually it probably does the opposite. It seems that some people want to live in a society of 1 as unless they have a say in every decision they do not trust the Democratic process. However, if you was to suggest that every government decision and policy had to be voted on by everyone in society, I am sure that by the end of the first week when everyones afternoons had been taken up by a multitude of votes you would have the same people complaining about having to perform their nightly civic duties. I am actual in favour of more direct voting as I think representative democracy can become a little too detached, but I would keep it to one or two mass voting periods each year. May a mass vote on any budget and any transfers of powers. | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" Flu is back this year we will back in lockdown soon when Mp comes back from holiday hahaha | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again Flu is back this year we will back in lockdown soon when Mp comes back from holiday hahaha " Yes it is. Had family visiting from England. First time all the family was together since last summer. One had a cough when she arrived but due to regular NHS workplace testing said it wasn't covid. In the space of 2 weeks, 10 out of 14 of us came down with whatever she had. And this was before schools went back in Scotland! Everyone tested negative on all lfts and pcr tests. So whatever it was, it wasn't covid. But it was the worst flu I'd had in two years. Last time was end of August after attending an international conference in Vienna..i could've sworn i had bird flu or something as it was so unusual but now suspect it could've been early covid. | |||
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"Please feel free to share with the forum your qualifications and experience with regards to PCR testing which inform your beleif that they cannot discriminate between Flu and Covid infections Love. This!!
Does youtube count? " | |||
"The flu has killed more this year than covid and kills thousands every year the cases were low last year as 99% of them will have been put as covid The actual flu not a cold like most people have when they think they have flu is devastating and can kick your ass for months after just like the modified covid version they made in a lab But luckily influenza doesnt mutate this is why we shouldnt mess with nature we dont understand For all we know this could mutate and wipe out the whole of civilisation " Where do you get your info? Of course influenza mutates. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/change.htm | |||
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"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again Flu is back this year we will back in lockdown soon when Mp comes back from holiday hahaha Yes it is. Had family visiting from England. First time all the family was together since last summer. One had a cough when she arrived but due to regular NHS workplace testing said it wasn't covid. In the space of 2 weeks, 10 out of 14 of us came down with whatever she had. And this was before schools went back in Scotland! Everyone tested negative on all lfts and pcr tests. So whatever it was, it wasn't covid. But it was the worst flu I'd had in two years. Last time was end of August after attending an international conference in Vienna..i could've sworn i had bird flu or something as it was so unusual but now suspect it could've been early covid." I've had flu twice I think. Proper flu, not man flu lol Once in the new year of 2000 (which coincided with my hangover so I felt like I was hungover for 2 week's, I went teetotal after that) and once a couple of years ago on the end of summer. I was exhausted, couldn't do a thing, and I'm a very physical person It's a fucker of a virus And yeah, it mutates all the time, but be bit like Covid (too my knowledge) as the flu shot tends to cover the previous variant Covid is a bastard because there's what, 5 or 6 variations already? | |||
"The flu has killed more this year than covid and kills thousands every year the cases were low last year as 99% of them will have been put as covid The actual flu not a cold like most people have when they think they have flu is devastating and can kick your ass for months after just like the modified covid version they made in a lab But luckily influenza doesnt mutate this is why we shouldnt mess with nature we dont understand For all we know this could mutate and wipe out the whole of civilisation " Oh dear, oh dear
So much wrong here. You'd benefit from sharing some credible citations.
Just for starters -
Flu : Well known as a danger, as it does mutate. | |||
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"I have to say that it worrying what people think a dictatorship is. We most certainly don't live in a society where one person is totally in control, no debates, no votes, no disagreement. Everything that the government decides to do has to be agreed an passed via a vote, the government normally win the votes because they have more MPs... Cal" Yeah but you don't get as much attention if you complain about living in a parliamentary democracy. All those bloody elections I have to vote in... Its a bloody democracy I tell you. | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" We said this last year also! We're both convinced that we both had covid Oct/Nov 2019! | |||
"Well yes but the mutations are all known in the 17 or so strains we have of influenza hence them picking the jab for what they think is going to be most prevailing that year The flu jab we have could actually make you immune but you need a lot of jabs so most wont be up for it and they believe somewhere between 1-2% are already immune The difference with covid mutations is the unknown As far as i could find out the only new influenza mutations we have is when its passed from animals which doesnt happen often apparently But i believe 100% this came from a lab not some random bat in china" Don't know if serious or not | |||
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"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again We said this last year also! We're both convinced that we both had covid Oct/Nov 2019! " that’s when I believe I first had it. Oddly I was rejected for a antibody test in March 2020 ( they advertised for people to take them as a data capture thing ) so I will never 100% know. | |||
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"Flu is what will put the NHS under strain this winter due to not enough people being subjected to it last year due to lockdowns. That will not be data that is shared though it will be just the covid figures. Worst part of it is is that also if you get flu even if double jabbed your are then a lot more likely to catch covid so ultimately we have to question where lockdowns the correct thing to do or has it just drawn this whole thing out. Everyone mocked Sweden and yet look at them now " If you are comparing Sweden and how they have dealt with this compared to their scandi neighbours… that not going to be great reading for you | |||
"Flu is what will put the NHS under strain this winter due to not enough people being subjected to it last year due to lockdowns. That will not be data that is shared though it will be just the covid figures. Worst part of it is is that also if you get flu even if double jabbed your are then a lot more likely to catch covid so ultimately we have to question where lockdowns the correct thing to do or has it just drawn this whole thing out. Everyone mocked Sweden and yet look at them now " | |||
"Flu is what will put the NHS under strain this winter due to not enough people being subjected to it last year due to lockdowns. That will not be data that is shared though it will be just the covid figures. Worst part of it is is that also if you get flu even if double jabbed your are then a lot more likely to catch covid so ultimately we have to question where lockdowns the correct thing to do or has it just drawn this whole thing out. Everyone mocked Sweden and yet look at them now If you are comparing Sweden and how they have dealt with this compared to their scandi neighbours… that not going to be great reading for you "it’s perfect reading actually thankyou | |||
"Everyone mocked Sweden and yet look at them now " "Sweden has recorded more COVID-19 cases per capita than most countries so far: Since the start of the pandemic, roughly 11 out of every 100 people in Sweden have been diagnosed with COVID-19, compared with 9.4 out of every 100 in the UK and 7.4 per 100 in Italy. Sweden has also recorded around 145 COVID-19 deaths for every 100,000 people — around three times more than Denmark, eight times more than Finland, and nearly 10 times more than Norway." "Sweden's low density and small population — combined with residents' trust in national authorities — likely prevented a deadlier outcome. If a denser, more populous country like Italy were to adopt Sweden's strategy, they wrote, it would "likely result in a massacre.""  | |||
"Flu is what will put the NHS under strain this winter due to not enough people being subjected to it last year due to lockdowns. That will not be data that is shared though it will be just the covid figures. Worst part of it is is that also if you get flu even if double jabbed your are then a lot more likely to catch covid so ultimately we have to question where lockdowns the correct thing to do or has it just drawn this whole thing out. Everyone mocked Sweden and yet look at them now If you are comparing Sweden and how they have dealt with this compared to their scandi neighbours… that not going to be great reading for you it’s perfect reading actually thankyou "Only if you thinks perfect reading is that they have a worse covid record than Denmark, Finland, Iceland and Norway….. their immediate neighbours Remind me again… who are you comparing Sweden with again?? | |||
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"Flu is what will put the NHS under strain this winter due to not enough people being subjected to it last year due to lockdowns. That will not be data that is shared though it will be just the covid figures. Worst part of it is is that also if you get flu even if double jabbed your are then a lot more likely to catch covid so ultimately we have to question where lockdowns the correct thing to do or has it just drawn this whole thing out. Everyone mocked Sweden and yet look at them now If you are comparing Sweden and how they have dealt with this compared to their scandi neighbours… that not going to be great reading for you it’s perfect reading actually thankyou
Only if you thinks perfect reading is that they have a worse covid record than Denmark, Finland, Iceland and Norway….. their immediate neighbours
Remind me again… who are you comparing Sweden with again?? "I honestly think that you need to educate yourself at where Sweden is on their covid journey compared with others 20 months on from its out break | |||
"Flu is what will put the NHS under strain this winter due to not enough people being subjected to it last year due to lockdowns. That will not be data that is shared though it will be just the covid figures. Worst part of it is is that also if you get flu even if double jabbed your are then a lot more likely to catch covid so ultimately we have to question where lockdowns the correct thing to do or has it just drawn this whole thing out. Everyone mocked Sweden and yet look at them now If you are comparing Sweden and how they have dealt with this compared to their scandi neighbours… that not going to be great reading for you it’s perfect reading actually thankyou
Only if you thinks perfect reading is that they have a worse covid record than Denmark, Finland, Iceland and Norway….. their immediate neighbours
Remind me again… who are you comparing Sweden with again?? I honestly think that you need to educate yourself at where Sweden is on their covid journey compared with others 20 months on from its out break "I do… I knew most of the stuff that the person below me wrote…. Which why whenever anyone mentions Sweden like they want to use it as some sort of covid utopia.. I ask “what are you comparing it with when the actual data is piss poor!” | |||
"Flu is what will put the NHS under strain this winter due to not enough people being subjected to it last year due to lockdowns. That will not be data that is shared though it will be just the covid figures. Worst part of it is is that also if you get flu even if double jabbed your are then a lot more likely to catch covid so ultimately we have to question where lockdowns the correct thing to do or has it just drawn this whole thing out. Everyone mocked Sweden and yet look at them now If you are comparing Sweden and how they have dealt with this compared to their scandi neighbours… that not going to be great reading for you it’s perfect reading actually thankyou
Only if you thinks perfect reading is that they have a worse covid record than Denmark, Finland, Iceland and Norway….. their immediate neighbours
Remind me again… who are you comparing Sweden with again?? I honestly think that you need to educate yourself at where Sweden is on their covid journey compared with others 20 months on from its out break
I do… I knew most of the stuff that the person below me wrote….
Which why whenever anyone mentions Sweden like they want to use it as some sort of covid utopia.. I ask “what are you comparing it with when the actual data is piss poor!”"sorry I don’t understand why is genuine data piss poor??? | |||
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"Flu is what will put the NHS under strain this winter due to not enough people being subjected to it last year due to lockdowns. That will not be data that is shared though it will be just the covid figures. Worst part of it is is that also if you get flu even if double jabbed your are then a lot more likely to catch covid so ultimately we have to question where lockdowns the correct thing to do or has it just drawn this whole thing out. Everyone mocked Sweden and yet look at them now If you are comparing Sweden and how they have dealt with this compared to their scandi neighbours… that not going to be great reading for you it’s perfect reading actually thankyou
Only if you thinks perfect reading is that they have a worse covid record than Denmark, Finland, Iceland and Norway….. their immediate neighbours
Remind me again… who are you comparing Sweden with again?? I honestly think that you need to educate yourself at where Sweden is on their covid journey compared with others 20 months on from its out break
I do… I knew most of the stuff that the person below me wrote….
Which why whenever anyone mentions Sweden like they want to use it as some sort of covid utopia.. I ask “what are you comparing it with when the actual data is piss poor!” sorry I don’t understand why is genuine data piss poor??? "The data in the post by hornycampers that you have not acknowledged… or were wanting to let it slide by ( I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt) | |||
"I'm confused. Are there two Swedens? "Apparently one is a utopia that people who want to play down covid always bring up… and the one that is fact driven that shows they didn’t deal with it anywhere near as good as their imaginations like them to believe | |||
"I'm confused. Are there two Swedens?
Apparently one is a utopia that people who want to play down covid always bring up… and the one that is fact driven that shows they didn’t deal with it anywhere near as good as their imaginations like them to believe "so cause you do not agree with how they handled it you can not accept the data which shows they are now actually better off on the other side. | |||
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"I'm confused. Are there two Swedens?
Apparently one is a utopia that people who want to play down covid always bring up… and the one that is fact driven that shows they didn’t deal with it anywhere near as good as their imaginations like them to believe so cause you do not agree with how they handled it you can not accept the data which shows they are now actually better off on the other side. "Better off but they still go ahead with the vaccinations for the children 12-15. I hope the people who state Sweden as a prime example on how to succesfully deal with covid will rush to vaccinate their children. STOCKHOLM, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Sweden will offer vaccine to children aged 12 to 15 years later this autumn, Sweden's Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said on Thursday. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-children-aged-12-15-will-be-offered-covid-vaccine-2021-09-16/ | |||
"I'm confused. Are there two Swedens?
Apparently one is a utopia that people who want to play down covid always bring up… and the one that is fact driven that shows they didn’t deal with it anywhere near as good as their imaginations like them to believe so cause you do not agree with how they handled it you can not accept the data which shows they are now actually better off on the other side.
Better off but they still go ahead with the vaccinations for the children 12-15. I hope the people who state Sweden as a prime example on how to succesfully deal with covid will rush to vaccinate their children.
STOCKHOLM, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Sweden will offer vaccine to children aged 12 to 15 years later this autumn, Sweden's Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said on Thursday.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-children-aged-12-15-will-be-offered-covid-vaccine-2021-09-16/
"offer not force | |||
"I'm confused. Are there two Swedens?
Apparently one is a utopia that people who want to play down covid always bring up… and the one that is fact driven that shows they didn’t deal with it anywhere near as good as their imaginations like them to believe so cause you do not agree with how they handled it you can not accept the data which shows they are now actually better off on the other side.
Better off but they still go ahead with the vaccinations for the children 12-15. I hope the people who state Sweden as a prime example on how to succesfully deal with covid will rush to vaccinate their children.
STOCKHOLM, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Sweden will offer vaccine to children aged 12 to 15 years later this autumn, Sweden's Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said on Thursday.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-children-aged-12-15-will-be-offered-covid-vaccine-2021-09-16/
"also if hat has that got to do with not locking down I’m sorry but I think you missed the point. They have used infection and vaccine in the correct way. | |||
"I'm confused. Are there two Swedens?
Apparently one is a utopia that people who want to play down covid always bring up… and the one that is fact driven that shows they didn’t deal with it anywhere near as good as their imaginations like them to believe so cause you do not agree with how they handled it you can not accept the data which shows they are now actually better off on the other side.
Better off but they still go ahead with the vaccinations for the children 12-15. I hope the people who state Sweden as a prime example on how to succesfully deal with covid will rush to vaccinate their children.
STOCKHOLM, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Sweden will offer vaccine to children aged 12 to 15 years later this autumn, Sweden's Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said on Thursday.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-children-aged-12-15-will-be-offered-covid-vaccine-2021-09-16/
also if hat has that got to do with not locking down I’m sorry but I think you missed the point. They have used infection and vaccine in the correct way. "And what is the correct way of using the vaccine (the Swedish way) that would make you get vaccinated now and protect yourself? | |||
"I'm confused. Are there two Swedens?
Apparently one is a utopia that people who want to play down covid always bring up… and the one that is fact driven that shows they didn’t deal with it anywhere near as good as their imaginations like them to believe so cause you do not agree with how they handled it you can not accept the data which shows they are now actually better off on the other side.
Better off but they still go ahead with the vaccinations for the children 12-15. I hope the people who state Sweden as a prime example on how to succesfully deal with covid will rush to vaccinate their children.
STOCKHOLM, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Sweden will offer vaccine to children aged 12 to 15 years later this autumn, Sweden's Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said on Thursday.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-children-aged-12-15-will-be-offered-covid-vaccine-2021-09-16/
also if hat has that got to do with not locking down I’m sorry but I think you missed the point. They have used infection and vaccine in the correct way.
And what is the correct way of using the vaccine (the Swedish way) that would make you get vaccinated now and protect yourself?"no they didn’t lock down and they are not forcing vaccination they have hit a sweet spot of vaccinated people and infection | |||
"I'm confused. Are there two Swedens?
Apparently one is a utopia that people who want to play down covid always bring up… and the one that is fact driven that shows they didn’t deal with it anywhere near as good as their imaginations like them to believe so cause you do not agree with how they handled it you can not accept the data which shows they are now actually better off on the other side.
Better off but they still go ahead with the vaccinations for the children 12-15. I hope the people who state Sweden as a prime example on how to succesfully deal with covid will rush to vaccinate their children.
STOCKHOLM, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Sweden will offer vaccine to children aged 12 to 15 years later this autumn, Sweden's Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said on Thursday.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-children-aged-12-15-will-be-offered-covid-vaccine-2021-09-16/
also if hat has that got to do with not locking down I’m sorry but I think you missed the point. They have used infection and vaccine in the correct way.
And what is the correct way of using the vaccine (the Swedish way) that would make you get vaccinated now and protect yourself? no they didn’t lock down and they are not forcing vaccination they have hit a sweet spot of vaccinated people and infection "So would you be vaccinated by now if this was the case here? The way you say it your issue is not with the vaccine but with the approach. | |||
"I'm confused. Are there two Swedens?
Apparently one is a utopia that people who want to play down covid always bring up… and the one that is fact driven that shows they didn’t deal with it anywhere near as good as their imaginations like them to believe so cause you do not agree with how they handled it you can not accept the data which shows they are now actually better off on the other side.
Better off but they still go ahead with the vaccinations for the children 12-15. I hope the people who state Sweden as a prime example on how to succesfully deal with covid will rush to vaccinate their children.
STOCKHOLM, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Sweden will offer vaccine to children aged 12 to 15 years later this autumn, Sweden's Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said on Thursday.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-children-aged-12-15-will-be-offered-covid-vaccine-2021-09-16/
also if hat has that got to do with not locking down I’m sorry but I think you missed the point. They have used infection and vaccine in the correct way.
And what is the correct way of using the vaccine (the Swedish way) that would make you get vaccinated now and protect yourself? no they didn’t lock down and they are not forcing vaccination they have hit a sweet spot of vaccinated people and infection
So would you be vaccinated by now if this was the case here? The way you say it your issue is not with the vaccine but with the approach."nope I would not be vaccinated do not trust it but I’m it saying others should not have it. Once the vaccine has been around 12-15 months and there is a better understanding of its side effects I may have it ( obviously not if the understanding is of a negative nature ). | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" | |||
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"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" This . | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down againThis ."This is really stupid | |||
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"More people die during sex than have died from having the vaccine "Really? Over 1600 people have suffered fatal reactions to the vaccine in the UK already. On the topic, I suspect we're in for a bad flu season as it was supressed last winter and our immune systems have been weakened by all the social distancing, masks, obsessive hand sanitising etc. I've been ill a couple of times in recent weeks and I normally hardly ever get ill. | |||
" Really? Over 1600 people have suffered fatal reactions to the vaccine in the UK already. " Citation needed or you're just making stuff up. | |||
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" Really? Over 1600 people have suffered fatal reactions to the vaccine in the UK already. Citation needed or you're just making stuff up. " It’s probably worldwide and the figures have gotten miss read
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" Really? Over 1600 people have suffered fatal reactions to the vaccine in the UK already. Citation needed or you're just making stuff up. " https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting It’s along read but it’s all there and the number of deaths directly linked to having had a covid vaccine. | |||
" https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting It’s along read but it’s all there and the number of deaths directly linked to having had a covid vaccine." Thanks for this but you've just added up some numbers. Correlation doesn't equal causation as the report clearly states. | |||
"I'm confused. Are there two Swedens?
Apparently one is a utopia that people who want to play down covid always bring up… and the one that is fact driven that shows they didn’t deal with it anywhere near as good as their imaginations like them to believe so cause you do not agree with how they handled it you can not accept the data which shows they are now actually better off on the other side.
Better off but they still go ahead with the vaccinations for the children 12-15. I hope the people who state Sweden as a prime example on how to succesfully deal with covid will rush to vaccinate their children.
STOCKHOLM, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Sweden will offer vaccine to children aged 12 to 15 years later this autumn, Sweden's Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said on Thursday.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-children-aged-12-15-will-be-offered-covid-vaccine-2021-09-16/
"Probably the key word there is "offer" | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" Flu didn't disappear last year  | |||
" Really? Over 1600 people have suffered fatal reactions to the vaccine in the UK already. Citation needed or you're just making stuff up. " Did you just pluck that number out of the air? Never heard so much rubbish | |||
"More people die during sex than have died from having the vaccine
Really? Over 1600 people have suffered fatal reactions to the vaccine in the UK already.
On the topic, I suspect we're in for a bad flu season as it was supressed last winter and our immune systems have been weakened by all the social distancing, masks, obsessive hand sanitising etc. I've been ill a couple of times in recent weeks and I normally hardly ever get ill."Ah, half a story sounds scary, perhaps you could follow up with demographics. | |||
" https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting It’s along read but it’s all there and the number of deaths directly linked to having had a covid vaccine. Thanks for this but you've just added up some numbers. Correlation doesn't equal causation as the report clearly states." I never added anything up the figures are there says exactly how many people have died from having the covid jab | |||
" https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting It’s along read but it’s all there and the number of deaths directly linked to having had a covid vaccine. Thanks for this but you've just added up some numbers. Correlation doesn't equal causation as the report clearly states. I never added anything up the figures are there says exactly how many people have died from having the covid jab " You need to understand how data works..... not anywhere does it state how many have died from having the vaccine Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths. | |||
"I never added anything up the figures are there says exactly how many people have died from having the covid jab " Pretty much like saying a million had the flu jab, 10,000 died, they’d had the jab, so the jab killed 10,000. Flawed logic. | |||
" I never added anything up the figures are there says exactly how many people have died from having the covid jab " No, they don't. From your own link: "this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported." | |||
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"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" How did it disappear last year. Where did it hide. Just looked behind the sofa and it's not there. | |||
"Hopefully the dictators will curtail the freedoms of the conspiracy theorists and the antivaxxers who believe in such theories as their lunacy can be a danger for the rest of us." Honest question. When you meet a swinging couple or single at a party, club or on a one to one basis. Do you speak as you write? If so, what's their reaction. | |||
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"Hopefully the dictators will curtail the freedoms of the conspiracy theorists and the antivaxxers who believe in such theories as their lunacy can be a danger for the rest of us. Honest question. When you meet a swinging couple or single at a party, club or on a one to one basis. Do you speak as you write? If so, what's their reaction. "Honestly do you talk about covid and vaccines at a party or club? If yes, you must be at the center of everyone’s attention. | |||
"Hopefully the dictators will curtail the freedoms of the conspiracy theorists and the antivaxxers who believe in such theories as their lunacy can be a danger for the rest of us. Honest question. When you meet a swinging couple or single at a party, club or on a one to one basis. Do you speak as you write? If so, what's their reaction.
Honestly do you talk about covid and vaccines at a party or club? If yes, you must be at the center of everyone’s attention. "No, we don't but just wondered how you acted. You seem such a forthright gentleman. | |||
"Hopefully the dictators will curtail the freedoms of the conspiracy theorists and the antivaxxers who believe in such theories as their lunacy can be a danger for the rest of us. Honest question. When you meet a swinging couple or single at a party, club or on a one to one basis. Do you speak as you write? If so, what's their reaction.
Honestly do you talk about covid and vaccines at a party or club? If yes, you must be at the center of everyone’s attention.
No, we don't but just wondered how you acted.
You seem such a forthright gentleman. "I am not acting when I am with people. I am who I am. I can talk about various subjects as long as I am knowledgeable and interested. I am comfortable in the company of others. I love a good company but I have no interest in being at the center ot the attention, the loud one if you know what I mean. I pay attention to what other people say and I contribute when I feel it is necessary. I have a good sense of humour but I dislike hearing or saying other people’s jokes. And sometimes I like to pull somebody’s leg but never with a bad intention. I can be passionate and enthusiastic in a conversation. | |||
"Data and stats are well known to be manipulated and never entirely reliable, variable factors are connected to the bigger picture but left overlooked or not considered. Take the stand that after your second jab it’s said that your updated as being jabbed two weeks later on the system. If then you die within those two weeks your marked down as an un jabbed if what’s to be said above is true. And highly likely classed as a death by covid." The NHS records are typically updated within a day, to show vaccination status. The Office for National Statistics has a very precise methodology for recording the causes of death, including for Covid. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/methodologies/coronavirusandmortalityinenglandandwalesmethodology | |||
"Lol my kids put orange juice on their tests to get out of school for 10 days lol madness came up positive "Yup! There was a meme going around on social media and I did it with my niece with some Ribena and the LFT came up positive. And yet when I actually had COVID and was told to go home by the nurse in Urgent Care, take a PCR and isolate until the results (I didn’t have typical symptoms at the start) I took LFT’s every day and they all came back negative but my PCR was positive. The nurse actually told me that LFT’s are only 30% accurate, I don’t know how true that is as I’ve heard different percentages from different people! | |||
"Lol my kids put orange juice on their tests to get out of school for 10 days lol madness came up positive
Yup! There was a meme going around on social media and I did it with my niece with some Ribena and the LFT came up positive.
And yet when I actually had COVID and was told to go home by the nurse in Urgent Care, take a PCR and isolate until the results (I didn’t have typical symptoms at the start) I took LFT’s every day and they all came back negative but my PCR was positive.
The nurse actually told me that LFT’s are only 30% accurate, I don’t know how true that is as I’ve heard different percentages from different people!
"A positive LFT test is 98%+ correct. A negative test result can be 50% correct +- | |||
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"Lol my kids put orange juice on their tests to get out of school for 10 days lol madness came up positive
Yup! There was a meme going around on social media and I did it with my niece with some Ribena and the LFT came up positive.
And yet when I actually had COVID and was told to go home by the nurse in Urgent Care, take a PCR and isolate until the results (I didn’t have typical symptoms at the start) I took LFT’s every day and they all came back negative but my PCR was positive.
The nurse actually told me that LFT’s are only 30% accurate, I don’t know how true that is as I’ve heard different percentages from different people!
A positive LFT test is 98%+ correct.
A negative test result can be 50% correct +-"Source? | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again" We'll just have to wait and see what the "alleged" numbers are with covid one minister of whatever did say that the pcr tests could come back positive if you had a cold/flu though! | |||
"The flu didn't disappear last year, we just helped reduce the number of infections by not mingling with the infected. Some of my family caught very bad colds too. " So if we weren't mingling to catch the flu, then why were covid cases so high?? If we weren't mingling then surely we shouldn't have been catching covid either | |||
"Hopefully the dictators will curtail the freedoms of the conspiracy theorists and the antivaxxers who believe in such theories as their lunacy can be a danger for the rest of us." A danger in what way?? For the record, I'm not a conspiracy theorist or an antivaxxer | |||
"Lol my kids put orange juice on their tests to get out of school for 10 days lol madness came up positive
Yup! There was a meme going around on social media and I did it with my niece with some Ribena and the LFT came up positive.
And yet when I actually had COVID and was told to go home by the nurse in Urgent Care, take a PCR and isolate until the results (I didn’t have typical symptoms at the start) I took LFT’s every day and they all came back negative but my PCR was positive.
The nurse actually told me that LFT’s are only 30% accurate, I don’t know how true that is as I’ve heard different percentages from different people!
A positive LFT test is 98%+ correct.
A negative test result can be 50% correct +-
Source? "https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing/regular-rapid-coronavirus-tests-if-you-do-not-have-symptoms/ As for negative results, that result will vary depending upon the stage of infection you are at. That is why I take a LFT test at 2-day intervals, starting 2 days after a hospital visit. | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again We'll just have to wait and see what the "alleged" numbers are with covid one minister of whatever did say that the pcr tests could come back positive if you had a cold/flu though! "Funny how people expect ministers to be accurate. You can have PCR tests that shows results for both virus. But a PCR test for Sars-Cov-2 is for that one virus, and does not show positive for sars-cov-2 if you have flu...the PCR test looks for the presence of a nucleic acid found only in the sars-cov-2 virus | |||
"Lol my kids put orange juice on their tests to get out of school for 10 days lol madness came up positive
Yup! There was a meme going around on social media and I did it with my niece with some Ribena and the LFT came up positive.
And yet when I actually had COVID and was told to go home by the nurse in Urgent Care, take a PCR and isolate until the results (I didn’t have typical symptoms at the start) I took LFT’s every day and they all came back negative but my PCR was positive.
The nurse actually told me that LFT’s are only 30% accurate, I don’t know how true that is as I’ve heard different percentages from different people!
A positive LFT test is 98%+ correct.
A negative test result can be 50% correct +-
Source?
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing/regular-rapid-coronavirus-tests-if-you-do-not-have-symptoms/
As for negative results, that result will vary depending upon the stage of infection you are at. That is why I take a LFT test at 2-day intervals, starting 2 days after a hospital visit."That says rapid tests are 99.9% accurate. I can’t see where it says what you’ve said… I know of a few people who got false positive’s including my cousin who isolated of course then when her PCR came back it was negative, I’ve had a false negative and when my PCR came back out of curiosity I did another LFT and still negative and a colleague of mine has had a false negative before too. I don’t trust them. | |||
"The flu didn't disappear last year, we just helped reduce the number of infections by not mingling with the infected. Some of my family caught very bad colds too. So if we weren't mingling to catch the flu, then why were covid cases so high?? If we weren't mingling then surely we shouldn't have been catching covid either " Flu and covid are not transmitted in exactly the same way. And covid can also be also transmited by asymptomatic people who did know they were positive, or by people before they started to display symptoms. A search on how flu and covid are transmitted will solve your questions. | |||
"Hopefully the dictators will curtail the freedoms of the conspiracy theorists and the antivaxxers who believe in such theories as their lunacy can be a danger for the rest of us." ^ this 100% *I am so tired of these feckless fecking dumb conspiracists claiming to know the truth with a shred of proof or evidence. Bored stupid morons who think it’s a game to endanger lives for a giggle. Grrrrr | |||
"Hopefully the dictators will curtail the freedoms of the conspiracy theorists and the antivaxxers who believe in such theories as their lunacy can be a danger for the rest of us. A danger in what way?? For the record, I'm not a conspiracy theorist or an antivaxxer" I ll give you an example. A doctor (surprisingly he is double vaccinated) who acts as an authority on covid vaccines and has a facebook following of 50,000 people. He claimed that he would not vaccinate any pregnant woman unless her life could be in serious danger if infected by covid. And that healthy women below 50 years old do not need to be vaccinated. However the health authorities recommend that pregnant women get vaccinated as they are comsidered a vulmerable group. Indeed, there have been cases of healthy pregnant women who got covid, ended up in ICU and some of them lost their lives or their babies or both expectant mother and baby lost their lives. Do you see the danger in his comments? He may not be an antivaxxer but he is a doctor, someone who people follow and listen because he is a doctor. If a healthy pregnant woman decides not do get vaccinated against the advice of the health authorities because she got influenced by this doctor she puts herself at risk. It is not certain that she will end up in a bad way in the hospital, but it is likely. | |||
"Hopefully the dictators will curtail the freedoms of the conspiracy theorists and the antivaxxers who believe in such theories as their lunacy can be a danger for the rest of us. A danger in what way?? For the record, I'm not a conspiracy theorist or an antivaxxer I ll give you an example. A doctor (surprisingly he is double vaccinated) who acts as an authority on covid vaccines and has a facebook following of 50,000 people. He claimed that he would not vaccinate any pregnant woman unless her life could be in serious danger if infected by covid. And that healthy women below 50 years old do not need to be vaccinated. However the health authorities recommend that pregnant women get vaccinated as they are comsidered a vulmerable group. Indeed, there have been cases of healthy pregnant women who got covid, ended up in ICU and some of them lost their lives or their babies or both expectant mother and baby lost their lives. Do you see the danger in his comments? He may not be an antivaxxer but he is a doctor, someone who people follow and listen because he is a doctor. If a healthy pregnant woman decides not do get vaccinated against the advice of the health authorities because she got influenced by this doctor she puts herself at risk. It is not certain that she will end up in a bad way in the hospital, but it is likely. " So, this is exactly the problem with spreading misinformation and potentially dangerous conspiracist propaganda… you may not provided any information by which your claims of this “doctor” and/or his “evidence” for people to review and question. No names & no links = no proof. So who is this doctor? Where can his articles be found? Is he only on Facebook or is he published somewhere a little more peer reviewed? | |||
"Indeed, there have been cases of healthy pregnant women who got covid, ended up in ICU and some of them lost their lives or their babies or both expectant mother and baby lost their lives." How many cases? I haven't heard of this. | |||
"Hopefully the dictators will curtail the freedoms of the conspiracy theorists and the antivaxxers who believe in such theories as their lunacy can be a danger for the rest of us. A danger in what way?? For the record, I'm not a conspiracy theorist or an antivaxxer I ll give you an example. A doctor (surprisingly he is double vaccinated) who acts as an authority on covid vaccines and has a facebook following of 50,000 people. He claimed that he would not vaccinate any pregnant woman unless her life could be in serious danger if infected by covid. And that healthy women below 50 years old do not need to be vaccinated. However the health authorities recommend that pregnant women get vaccinated as they are comsidered a vulmerable group. Indeed, there have been cases of healthy pregnant women who got covid, ended up in ICU and some of them lost their lives or their babies or both expectant mother and baby lost their lives. Do you see the danger in his comments? He may not be an antivaxxer but he is a doctor, someone who people follow and listen because he is a doctor. If a healthy pregnant woman decides not do get vaccinated against the advice of the health authorities because she got influenced by this doctor she puts herself at risk. It is not certain that she will end up in a bad way in the hospital, but it is likely. So, this is exactly the problem with spreading misinformation and potentially dangerous conspiracist propaganda… you may not provided any information by which your claims of this “doctor” and/or his “evidence” for people to review and question. No names & no links = no proof. So who is this doctor? Where can his articles be found? Is he only on Facebook or is he published somewhere a little more peer reviewed?" Ok my answer is this. If you look at many of my previous posts I put links. I back my claims. Links to to governmental sources, health authorities and mainstream media (If you do not agree with such links it is not my problem. I also do not put facebook or youtube links. If I ever do, there will be properties of reputable sources and not of a doctor or a scientist who claimed something. The example I put was im response to an earlier comment, it is an example of misinformation which I found it is dangerous. Irrespective of whether there is not a link or a name, do you see/understand why it is dangerous or not? Doctor claims that pregnant women without health issues should not get the vaccine (the doctor has not published a study on this, these are the doctor’s beliefs therefore there is no study to peer review). These claims are against health guidance by the UK, EMA and CDC. Moreover, you can find a number of articles about young, healthy and unvaccinated pregnant women who hot really sick from covid with disastrous results for their health or their lives and/or their children lives. Therefore, what I said is backed by British, European and US health authorities and by the misfortunes of pregnant unvaccinated women as reported in british or us media (sorry only maimstream ones). Unfortunately the doctor in my example is not from the UK, USA or other English speaking country. The interview the doctor gave was not in English. So even If I could point you to what the doctor said in the native language, you would not be able to make much sense. And Google translation/facebook translation is not very accurate. It was a radio interview and I ve heard exactly what the doctor said. And it is also written on some media what the doctor said during this radio interview. Finally, I mentioned this particular case because some of my closest friends who have not been vaccinated were raving about the videos of this doctor. So I read a few things of what this doctor said and given that I know of cases of healthy unbaccinated pregnant women who got hospitalised, intubated, lost their lives or children I made up my mind about this doctor. The problem was that he was absolute to what he claimed. If the doctor had phrased it like I would not recommend the vaccine to young healthy pregnant women but there is always some risk, it would be different. That’s the way it is and if you do not like my example or do not accept it, it is not my problem. If a moderator though would like doctor”s name, link and rudimentary translation in English I will happily provide. | |||
"Indeed, there have been cases of healthy pregnant women who got covid, ended up in ICU and some of them lost their lives or their babies or both expectant mother and baby lost their lives. How many cases? I haven't heard of this." I put a few links for you: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/09/24/pregnant-woman-dies-covid-days-after-emergency-c-section/5845094001/ https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/17/health/mississippi-pregnant-women-covid-vaccine/index.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9922455/Pregnant-nurse-refused-vaccine-unborn-baby-die-COVID-19.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9918231/She-35-unvaccinated-coffin-Grieving-husband-backs-jabs-wife-dies-Covid.html Unfortunately there are more such cases. They have been reported on the news. | |||
"Lol my kids put orange juice on their tests to get out of school for 10 days lol madness came up positive
Yup! There was a meme going around on social media and I did it with my niece with some Ribena and the LFT came up positive.
And yet when I actually had COVID and was told to go home by the nurse in Urgent Care, take a PCR and isolate until the results (I didn’t have typical symptoms at the start) I took LFT’s every day and they all came back negative but my PCR was positive.
The nurse actually told me that LFT’s are only 30% accurate, I don’t know how true that is as I’ve heard different percentages from different people!
A positive LFT test is 98%+ correct.
A negative test result can be 50% correct +-
Source?
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing/regular-rapid-coronavirus-tests-if-you-do-not-have-symptoms/
As for negative results, that result will vary depending upon the stage of infection you are at. That is why I take a LFT test at 2-day intervals, starting 2 days after a hospital visit.
That says rapid tests are 99.9% accurate. I can’t see where it says what you’ve said…
I know of a few people who got false positive’s including my cousin who isolated of course then when her PCR came back it was negative, I’ve had a false negative and when my PCR came back out of curiosity I did another LFT and still negative and a colleague of mine has had a false negative before too.
I don’t trust them. "They say in the booklet that there not accurate blew my mind when I read that | |||
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"Lol They say in the booklet that there not accurate blew my mind when I read that "Booklet: Do not eat drink, smoke or vape, 30 minutes prior to test. Avoid using samples that contain blood. A positive result will be better than 98% accurate. A negative result may not be accurate, depending upon the stage of infection. I don't suppose I should be pointing-out that it really is not ok to be associating with other people if you are ill, no matter what infection you have? | |||
" If a moderator though would like doctor”s name, link and rudimentary translation in English I will happily provide. " Give me a freaking break here dude. It’s a “belief” system you have subscribed to by a doctor’s non-peer reviewed opinion via Google translations, who’s name you will only give to a moderator! And that is supposed to carry how much water amongst the same & rational? I heard that Arsenal were the best club in the premiership by a player who is being paid millions by them because they believe in his abilities so it must be true! *if any moderator wants to know my source’s name just pm me | |||
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" If a moderator though would like doctor”s name, link and rudimentary translation in English I will happily provide. Give me a freaking break here dude. It’s a “belief” system you have subscribed to by a doctor’s non-peer reviewed opinion via Google translations, who’s name you will only give to a moderator! And that is supposed to carry how much water amongst the same & rational? I heard that Arsenal were the best club in the premiership by a player who is being paid millions by them because they believe in his abilities so it must be true! *if any moderator wants to know my source’s name just pm me "I am not sure what is the issue. Here is what the doctor said https://www.thestival.gr/eidiseis/ygeia/o-gnostos-kathigitis-farmakologias-d-k/ I explained to you. He talked on the radio, in his native language addressing. His beliefs. For what reasons I do not know but this doctor has jumped the political bandwagon last week. He has become known because of what he said about the vaccines. And I totally disagree with this foreign doctor who spoke in his native language for the reasons I stated in my other post. Whether you understand this language or not it is not my problem. I explained above what he claimed. In some countries doctors (not in UK) are very daring and make public claims that are not true and are being supported by alternative media. Thankfully, in the UK this is not the case. We have the Corbyns and ex nurses who have become celebrities because of covid but I do not think we have doctors who have become celebrities because of outrageous claims over covid and the vaccines. As for the Arsenal counter argument, I have nothing to say. | |||
"So is the flu going to make an appearance this year after disappearing last year or do the tests not discriminate between flu and covid so gives dictators power to lock us down again Flu was virtually non existant last year, because the same things that reduce the spread of COVID-19 also work for flu and colds. I would have thought this was obvious and logical. The PCR test is done in a lab and they absolutely know the difference between COVID-19 and one of the influenza viruses. This also seems logical, as they are different viruses." . They don't look for the viruses as a whole, we look for sequenced primers from sars-cov2, some variants can escape the PCR test if the primers have changed enough, there's quite a few different PCR tests and quite a few that look for single primer and quite a few that look for several primers and we've even got ones that can detect sars-cov2 and a prevailing influenza virus at the same time(not all flu viruses are alike) just like not all Corona viruses are alike. It literally is detecting variants of viruses with particular sequenced primers and proteins. | |||
