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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? " ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world ! 
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. " And one of the mechanisms used to fight these illnesses is vaccine mandates in US schools. This isn't new, it's just a long time since the last time it's been a blanket order for adults. I believe US companies already have the legal right to require vaccination - very different set of employment laws | |||
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"The left voted him in purely not to have Trump. That is a stupid reason. This is already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time. " Can anyone make sense of this? | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. " Nobody is arguing that vaccines aren't good. I think the nub of the issue is people being forced to have them under threat of having the life they know and have built up potentially torn out from under them for none compliance. No other vaccine has needed this kind of action and many were for far more horrible things than covid. | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new "Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it. https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. Nobody is arguing that vaccines aren't good. I think the nub of the issue is people being forced to have them under threat of having the life they know and have built up potentially torn out from under them for none compliance. No other vaccine has needed this kind of action and many were for far more horrible things than covid." Vaccine mandates began with smallpox. And they were forced on people, not loss of job or fine. | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. " Take the internet out of this equation mate and there would be no fight back just like with them vaccines ! I get people’s rights this topic has been talked to death some of my friends won’t contemplate getting it and I’m not going to push my opinions on them ! We’ll be talking about this for another year watch | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html"This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose. Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor. | |||
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister "in the end this disease is proving to be fairly robust so the fault is not the unvacinnated, but clearly with so many in the USA its not helping. We are lucky in the UK that so many have stepped up to have 1 or 2 jabs which is covering the UK from the worst of this and allowing a slower progression through the population. So not necessary in the UK but you can see why with a lower take up they are getting more desperate to save lives in the USA. In the end its their country and they can do as they please. | |||
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister "Your right. It stinks of American politcs and therefore not really my business. | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose.
Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor."That's all well and good, but big pharma have put a block on treatments such as ivermectin and other such things. | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. Nobody is arguing that vaccines aren't good. I think the nub of the issue is people being forced to have them under threat of having the life they know and have built up potentially torn out from under them for none compliance. No other vaccine has needed this kind of action and many were for far more horrible things than covid." Some have. No jab no pay in australia to ensure all children are up to date with all vaccinations, italy made mmr manditory for a few years after a rise in measles I think. Follow up reports do question the effect these campaigns have. But it isnt anything new and been done before | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose.
Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor.
That's all well and good, but big pharma have put a block on treatments such as ivermectin and other such things. "Big pharma have blocked such treatment? Despite ivermectin being off patent? And we have been using a cheap, generic steroid (dexamethasone) for months now, after empirical trials proved it was useful? Where's the evidence of this so called suppression? | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose.
Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor."You can buy them ? the lad at the top of my street is knocking out the good horse deworming medicine? Cause your right it’s near impossible to get the good brand over here off the doctors unless your in the horse trade or an actual horse ! I’ll stick to shots of mr sheen and vanish liquid for the moment ! But Any other go to methods I can give a whirl ? You seem to know your medicines ??? | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose.
Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor.
You can buy them ? the lad at the top of my street is knocking out the good horse deworming medicine?
Cause your right it’s near impossible to get the good brand over here off the doctors unless your in the horse trade or an actual horse !
I’ll stick to shots of mr sheen and vanish liquid for the moment !
But Any other go to methods I can give a whirl ? You seem to know your medicines ???
"Have you tried turning it off and on again? Failing that, I heard that lubricating your nasal passages with Vick's Vaporub and ingesting a few cod liver oil capsules will cure most things. Chuck in a dispersible aspirin and a handful of anti histamines and you have yourself a flavoursome meal  | |||
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"The left voted him in purely not to have Trump. That is a stupid reason. This is already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time. Can anyone make sense of this?" You would not notice if you're a double vaxxed sheep | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose.
Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor.
That's all well and good, but big pharma have put a block on treatments such as ivermectin and other such things.
Big pharma have blocked such treatment? Despite ivermectin being off patent? And we have been using a cheap, generic steroid (dexamethasone) for months now, after empirical trials proved it was useful? Where's the evidence of this so called suppression? "They ain't exactly promoting ivermectin for humans and have out right condemned the use of the likes of HQ. So I guess you could call that suppression. I honestly haven't gone out looking for any meds for it so far, just trusting my immune system at the moment. | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose.
Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor.
That's all well and good, but big pharma have put a block on treatments such as ivermectin and other such things.
Big pharma have blocked such treatment? Despite ivermectin being off patent? And we have been using a cheap, generic steroid (dexamethasone) for months now, after empirical trials proved it was useful? Where's the evidence of this so called suppression?
They ain't exactly promoting ivermectin for humans and have out right condemned the use of the likes of HQ. So I guess you could call that suppression. I honestly haven't gone out looking for any meds for it so far, just trusting my immune system at the moment. "Finally someone said it.. trust your immune system...the deaths to infections ratio tells you all you need to know but ofcourse accordibg to the vaxxers its the vaccine doing the job lol.what about last year when nobody was vaxxed lol Goverened by fear i tell ya lol no wonder they have zero critical thinking abilities. I personally cant wait for the vaxxed to suffer their fate this winter...natural selection at its finest | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose.
Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor.
That's all well and good, but big pharma have put a block on treatments such as ivermectin and other such things.
Big pharma have blocked such treatment? Despite ivermectin being off patent? And we have been using a cheap, generic steroid (dexamethasone) for months now, after empirical trials proved it was useful? Where's the evidence of this so called suppression?
They ain't exactly promoting ivermectin for humans and have out right condemned the use of the likes of HQ. So I guess you could call that suppression. I honestly haven't gone out looking for any meds for it so far, just trusting my immune system at the moment. "They're not promoting ivermectin for Covid because there's zero evidence it works and it has nasty side effects, even at human-proof doses. I explained why above. It's like taking paracetamol to cure your diarrhoea - you'll give yourself liver disease whilst continuing to shit yourself - it simply doesn't work! | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose.
Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor.
You can buy them ? the lad at the top of my street is knocking out the good horse deworming medicine?
Cause your right it’s near impossible to get the good brand over here off the doctors unless your in the horse trade or an actual horse !
I’ll stick to shots of mr sheen and vanish liquid for the moment !
But Any other go to methods I can give a whirl ? You seem to know your medicines ???
Have you tried turning it off and on again? Failing that, I heard that lubricating your nasal passages with Vick's Vaporub and ingesting a few cod liver oil capsules will cure most things. Chuck in a dispersible aspirin and a handful of anti histamines and you have yourself a flavoursome meal "You can’t be for real !? would you you’s a blender I’m confused ? You mean take one medicine one by one obviously? Please elaborate? And is this for covid or just like a substitute for your morning vitamin intake ?? Think your talking marbles ? Still going to try it tho bet it does nothing !!!!! | |||
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"I thought bleach was the answer??" What bleach you taking mate ? For covid ? Or just cause the session ran out of vodka ? | |||
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"I thought bleach was the answer??" It's the answer to most things, let's face it. What is there that Domestos can't cure? Apart from killing spores from spore forming bacteria, like Clostridium or Bacillus species...... | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose.
Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor.
You can buy them ? the lad at the top of my street is knocking out the good horse deworming medicine?
Cause your right it’s near impossible to get the good brand over here off the doctors unless your in the horse trade or an actual horse !
I’ll stick to shots of mr sheen and vanish liquid for the moment !
But Any other go to methods I can give a whirl ? You seem to know your medicines ???
Have you tried turning it off and on again? Failing that, I heard that lubricating your nasal passages with Vick's Vaporub and ingesting a few cod liver oil capsules will cure most things. Chuck in a dispersible aspirin and a handful of anti histamines and you have yourself a flavoursome meal
You can’t be for real !?
would you you’s a blender I’m confused ?
You mean take one medicine one by one obviously?
Please elaborate?
And is this for covid or just like a substitute for your morning vitamin intake ??
Think your talking marbles ?
Still going to try it tho
bet it does nothing !!!!!
"Whack 'em all in a Nutri-bullet and knock back with a good dose of orange juice. Vitamin C - can't forget that! It's your super-anti-Covid-immune-booster..... | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose.
Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor.
That's all well and good, but big pharma have put a block on treatments such as ivermectin and other such things.
Big pharma have blocked such treatment? Despite ivermectin being off patent? And we have been using a cheap, generic steroid (dexamethasone) for months now, after empirical trials proved it was useful? Where's the evidence of this so called suppression?
They ain't exactly promoting ivermectin for humans and have out right condemned the use of the likes of HQ. So I guess you could call that suppression. I honestly haven't gone out looking for any meds for it so far, just trusting my immune system at the moment.
They're not promoting ivermectin for Covid because there's zero evidence it works and it has nasty side effects, even at human-proof doses. I explained why above. It's like taking paracetamol to cure your diarrhoea - you'll give yourself liver disease whilst continuing to shit yourself - it simply doesn't work!"Study showing it does have some effect on mild covid 19 patients, on a NIH site. Proven to be safe if treated properly, which hospitals should be doing. Don't get me wrong I ain't trying to say people should be rushing out, getting and using these meds themselves. I just think it be more widely used in hospitals and not just the vax as the only solution... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/ | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose.
Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor.
That's all well and good, but big pharma have put a block on treatments such as ivermectin and other such things.
Big pharma have blocked such treatment? Despite ivermectin being off patent? And we have been using a cheap, generic steroid (dexamethasone) for months now, after empirical trials proved it was useful? Where's the evidence of this so called suppression?
They ain't exactly promoting ivermectin for humans and have out right condemned the use of the likes of HQ. So I guess you could call that suppression. I honestly haven't gone out looking for any meds for it so far, just trusting my immune system at the moment.
They're not promoting ivermectin for Covid because there's zero evidence it works and it has nasty side effects, even at human-proof doses. I explained why above. It's like taking paracetamol to cure your diarrhoea - you'll give yourself liver disease whilst continuing to shit yourself - it simply doesn't work!
Study showing it does have some effect on mild covid 19 patients, on a NIH site. Proven to be safe if treated properly, which hospitals should be doing. Don't get me wrong I ain't trying to say people should be rushing out, getting and using these meds themselves. I just think it be more widely used in hospitals and not just the vax as the only solution...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/"To late I got over eager and took your advice ? Think I should step away from this thread ! Cause if I keep necking the amount of cleaning products plus deworming tablets and that crazy cocktail that surprisingly doesn't taste to bad with orange juice ! Basically it’s not going to end well ! Still won’t get covid tho  | |||
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"I thought bleach was the answer?? It's the answer to most things, let's face it. What is there that Domestos can't cure? Apart from killing spores from spore forming bacteria, like Clostridium or Bacillus species......" Doesn’t cure your constant barrage of unreadable words !   | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. Nobody is arguing that vaccines aren't good. I think the nub of the issue is people being forced to have them under threat of having the life they know and have built up potentially torn out from under them for none compliance. No other vaccine has needed this kind of action and many were for far more horrible things than covid. Vaccine mandates began with smallpox. And they were forced on people, not loss of job or fine." Fair point. A quick look tells me that the reason behind that was the tiny uptake of the vaccine comparative to the uptake on this current vaccine which seems to have a reasonably high uptake comparative to many others at this stage. I still Don't see the need for the strong arm tactics. | |||
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister "Is everything you come across sinister. Look for the good in things, makes life so much simpler. | |||
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister
Is everything you come across sinister.
Look for the good in things, makes life so much simpler. "It’s definitely a harsh word to use when in the context of saving life’s !! Well said | |||
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister "Ah yes. Making sure employees in key areas are vaccinated is a conspiracy? Originally the virus wasn't real, then it was the vaccinated are being mind controlled by 5G towers and now wanting the masses protected and government employees vaccinated is "sinister". I mean, we've already had that the earths flat, the royals are lizards (could believe that one with some of em actually), the illuminati control everything and Stevie Wonder isn't blind. When does it stop? How many people globally have to die or get ill just show this virus is a threat to a lot of people? No one is "forced" to take the vaccine. They simply have to if they want to keep that specific job. If you really don't like how modern society and government's work, there are plenty of off grid ways of life to live. Seriously...you want the roads, the police, the schools, food on demand, medical healthcare and everything that comes with modern life to just "work" but you don't want the actions taken that need to ensure that? Makes no sense to me. It isn't all pretty, it isn't all nice, it ain't all fair but I'll tell you this much....it's better than the alternative. Either get on board or get out. Cant have it both ways. To quote Monty Python: " and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'Cause there's bugger-all down here on Earth". | |||
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister
Ah yes. Making sure employees in key areas are vaccinated is a conspiracy?
Originally the virus wasn't real, then it was the vaccinated are being mind controlled by 5G towers and now wanting the masses protected and government employees vaccinated is "sinister". I mean, we've already had that the earths flat, the royals are lizards (could believe that one with some of em actually), the illuminati control everything and Stevie Wonder isn't blind.
When does it stop? How many people globally have to die or get ill just show this virus is a threat to a lot of people?
No one is "forced" to take the vaccine. They simply have to if they want to keep that specific job. If you really don't like how modern society and government's work, there are plenty of off grid ways of life to live.
Seriously...you want the roads, the police, the schools, food on demand, medical healthcare and everything that comes with modern life to just "work" but you don't want the actions taken that need to ensure that? Makes no sense to me. It isn't all pretty, it isn't all nice, it ain't all fair but I'll tell you this much....it's better than the alternative.
Either get on board or get out. Cant have it both ways.
To quote Monty Python: " and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'Cause there's bugger-all down here on Earth".
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister
Ah yes. Making sure employees in key areas are vaccinated is a conspiracy?
Originally the virus wasn't real, then it was the vaccinated are being mind controlled by 5G towers and now wanting the masses protected and government employees vaccinated is "sinister". I mean, we've already had that the earths flat, the royals are lizards (could believe that one with some of em actually), the illuminati control everything and Stevie Wonder isn't blind.
When does it stop? How many people globally have to die or get ill just show this virus is a threat to a lot of people?
No one is "forced" to take the vaccine. They simply have to if they want to keep that specific job. If you really don't like how modern society and government's work, there are plenty of off grid ways of life to live.
Seriously...you want the roads, the police, the schools, food on demand, medical healthcare and everything that comes with modern life to just "work" but you don't want the actions taken that need to ensure that? Makes no sense to me. It isn't all pretty, it isn't all nice, it ain't all fair but I'll tell you this much....it's better than the alternative.
Either get on board or get out. Cant have it both ways.
To quote Monty Python: " and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'Cause there's bugger-all down here on Earth".
Will only lead to another Monty Python quote “ bring out your dead “
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister
Ah yes. Making sure employees in key areas are vaccinated is a conspiracy?
Originally the virus wasn't real, then it was the vaccinated are being mind controlled by 5G towers and now wanting the masses protected and government employees vaccinated is "sinister". I mean, we've already had that the earths flat, the royals are lizards (could believe that one with some of em actually), the illuminati control everything and Stevie Wonder isn't blind.
When does it stop? How many people globally have to die or get ill just show this virus is a threat to a lot of people?
No one is "forced" to take the vaccine. They simply have to if they want to keep that specific job. If you really don't like how modern society and government's work, there are plenty of off grid ways of life to live.
Seriously...you want the roads, the police, the schools, food on demand, medical healthcare and everything that comes with modern life to just "work" but you don't want the actions taken that need to ensure that? Makes no sense to me. It isn't all pretty, it isn't all nice, it ain't all fair but I'll tell you this much....it's better than the alternative.
Either get on board or get out. Cant have it both ways.
To quote Monty Python: " and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'Cause there's bugger-all down here on Earth".
"Yet you miss all the conspiracies that are true. Every scandal reviled in the media is technically a conspiracy. Lab leak and gain of function research at Wuhan look valid now. If I was holding huge power and wanted to throw people of I would be finding loads of bullshit conspiracies to throw people off. You would fall for that hook line and sinker. | |||
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"Nothing wrong with threatening people and their familys livelihood if they don't get a medical procedure they don't want, just so long as it's for the greater good. This is the modern way. Comply. " Vax or test, that’s the choice. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that?" I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. | |||
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"I am not saying this virus is not real or dangerous to many." Good. Because it is still extremely dangerous. | |||
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister
Ah yes. Making sure employees in key areas are vaccinated is a conspiracy?
Originally the virus wasn't real, then it was the vaccinated are being mind controlled by 5G towers and now wanting the masses protected and government employees vaccinated is "sinister". I mean, we've already had that the earths flat, the royals are lizards (could believe that one with some of em actually), the illuminati control everything and Stevie Wonder isn't blind.
When does it stop? How many people globally have to die or get ill just show this virus is a threat to a lot of people?
No one is "forced" to take the vaccine. They simply have to if they want to keep that specific job. If you really don't like how modern society and government's work, there are plenty of off grid ways of life to live.
Seriously...you want the roads, the police, the schools, food on demand, medical healthcare and everything that comes with modern life to just "work" but you don't want the actions taken that need to ensure that? Makes no sense to me. It isn't all pretty, it isn't all nice, it ain't all fair but I'll tell you this much....it's better than the alternative.
Either get on board or get out. Cant have it both ways.
To quote Monty Python: " and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'Cause there's bugger-all down here on Earth".
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"I am not saying this virus is not real or dangerous to many. Good. Because it is still extremely dangerous. " But not to all people (well the politics Around the virus is dangerous to all) | |||
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What did the people of America do to have 8 years of continuous clown shows. "they brought it on themselves,there the voters and they voted the two old fuckers in one after the other dont feel sorry for them they chose the shit show that is the u.s of a | |||
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"Lol Biden
What did the people of America do to have 8 years of continuous clown shows. they brought it on themselves,there the voters and they voted the two old fuckers in one after the other dont feel sorry for them they chose the shit show that is the u.s of a"It’s not the voters fault. They had no chance against the will of mass media. Their minds are too week and all the did wrong was trust. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. " How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter. 
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister
So be vexed or test weekly? What's the problem? If you don't want the lab get a weekly test sounds reasonable to me."i much prefer the root the americans will take in rising up and forming militias ...this is civil war looming ..the straw the broke the camels back | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. Nobody is arguing that vaccines aren't good. I think the nub of the issue is people being forced to have them under threat of having the life they know and have built up potentially torn out from under them for none compliance. No other vaccine has needed this kind of action and many were for far more horrible things than covid." Suggest looking at the vaccine act 1867. That made having your child vaccinated as protection against smallpox a legal requirement. The act was removed from statute by the National Health Act of 1946. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mug"Generally if you have to insult everyone you debate with it does not tend to convince anyone that you have sound reasoning behind your point of view. If you had a good point to make the point alone would stand its own ground. Insulting those who have a different point of view tends to suggest that your point must be weak therefore you use character assassination to try and give strength to the weaker argument. Also it does not tend to change anyone's mind, just firms there own views in place. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mug"Why don’t you bring those figures to me and make a point? As far as I know, the virus wasn’t out of control At that point. Once it got out of control I remember seeing crazy high death counts all through the last 6 months of the year. We only got low numbers with complete lockdown for months on end Then we rolled out the vaccine and we have very low rates with almost no restrictions I’m completely here to listen to your side, if you can provide it, and if you do so without being disrespectful towards me If you wanna change my mind, change it. Don’t just call people a mug and walk off, coz you’ve only proved to me you don’t have the figures to prove your point | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mug"if this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21? | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?"Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that?" So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose.
Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor.
That's all well and good, but big pharma have put a block on treatments such as ivermectin and other such things.
Big pharma have blocked such treatment? Despite ivermectin being off patent? And we have been using a cheap, generic steroid (dexamethasone) for months now, after empirical trials proved it was useful? Where's the evidence of this so called suppression?
They ain't exactly promoting ivermectin for humans and have out right condemned the use of the likes of HQ. So I guess you could call that suppression. I honestly haven't gone out looking for any meds for it so far, just trusting my immune system at the moment.
Finally someone said it.. trust your immune system...the deaths to infections ratio tells you all you need to know but ofcourse accordibg to the vaxxers its the vaccine doing the job lol.what about last year when nobody was vaxxed lol
Goverened by fear i tell ya lol no wonder they have zero critical thinking abilities.
I personally cant wait for the vaxxed to suffer their fate this winter...natural selection at its finest
So you’re looking forward to the deaths of millions of people? I mean, we both know you’re talking utter shit, but this ladies and gentlemen, is the fucked up mindset of the conspiracy nut job in all its perverted glory. Convinced of his own genius, but unable to see the glaring irony of his berating others for uncritical thinking! Thank you for outing yourself as a psychopath."There i drew you out...finally someone speaking out for wishing ill on others. Ofcourse its okay for the vaccinated to tell us to go to hell/ face our fate/ refuse us treatment in the NHS? oh ofcourse you wouldnt have noticed that all over the forums | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. "tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP? | |||
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" Shows how mad America has become !! the President gets tough and tells people to get vaccinated ?? and it's sinister etc etc and plan to control/comply ...Meanwhile in Texas another bunch of men tell woman what they can and can't do with their bodies and are threatened with fines and even jail and... ... "Thats because they are soeaking for the unheard babies...a life is a life im sure if the baby had a choice it would want life. Thats who they are protecting. Ofcourse if mothers life at risk or victim of abuse then abortions are legal...but to abort weeks before birth as Biden wants is just sick! | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
This recommends the correct human dose for intestinal parasites. Which immigrants may well have and require treating. Ivermectin is authorised to treat certain parasitic conditions, at specific doses. The problem is you can't just buy 200mg ivermectin tablets and so idiotic people have been buying veterinary medicine for horses and other large animals. Who are significantly heavier and require much larger doses. These high animal doses are very harmful to humans. Parasites are eukaryotic organisms - the same cell type as human/animal cells, so side effects are common and damage easy to occur at anything above the recommended dose.
Don't take ivermectin unless prescribed by a doctor and the CDC advice here would be followed by a supervising doctor.
That's all well and good, but big pharma have put a block on treatments such as ivermectin and other such things.
Big pharma have blocked such treatment? Despite ivermectin being off patent? And we have been using a cheap, generic steroid (dexamethasone) for months now, after empirical trials proved it was useful? Where's the evidence of this so called suppression?
They ain't exactly promoting ivermectin for humans and have out right condemned the use of the likes of HQ. So I guess you could call that suppression. I honestly haven't gone out looking for any meds for it so far, just trusting my immune system at the moment.
Finally someone said it.. trust your immune system...the deaths to infections ratio tells you all you need to know but ofcourse accordibg to the vaxxers its the vaccine doing the job lol.what about last year when nobody was vaxxed lol
Goverened by fear i tell ya lol no wonder they have zero critical thinking abilities.
I personally cant wait for the vaxxed to suffer their fate this winter...natural selection at its finest
So you’re looking forward to the deaths of millions of people? I mean, we both know you’re talking utter shit, but this ladies and gentlemen, is the fucked up mindset of the conspiracy nut job in all its perverted glory. Convinced of his own genius, but unable to see the glaring irony of his berating others for uncritical thinking! Thank you for outing yourself as a psychopath.
There i drew you out...finally someone speaking out for wishing ill on others. Ofcourse its okay for the vaccinated to tell us to go to hell/ face our fate/ refuse us treatment in the NHS? oh ofcourse you wouldnt have noticed that all over the forums "I do not wish you ill. It seems inevitable that we're all going to get Covid. I fear that you'll face worse outcomes, or that you'll be more likely to infect others. I don't want that for anyone. We've all suffered enough. The death, disability, and trauma has been too great. But you've made your choice. Which is your right. It's a choice that leaves you - and others around you - more exposed. I don't want it to be this way. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that?" Probably put it down to a changed number of PCR cycles or some equally spurious bullshit | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults " I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP?"Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases. All in an effort to scare masses into said vaccinces | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. " Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. " | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP?
Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases.
All in an effort to scare masses into said vaccinces "would have been a great answer other than we are talking about deaths. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. " But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” " What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. " The yellow card reports are all self reported so they don’t hold much validity And what about the 6.2 million study saying it’s safe? Show me the study with all these deaths and horrible side effects? | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. " Are you sure about that? How do the medical authorities decide the safety/risk ratio? What supports your assertion? | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP?
Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases.
All in an effort to scare masses into said vaccinces would have been a great answer other than we are talking about deaths. "Deaths are quoted as being within 28days of testing positive..so if you have loads of false positives....and those people die in a car crash or heart attack etc then yes they go down as covid deaths. This is the standard practice world wide | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. The yellow card reports are all self reported so they don’t hold much validity And what about the 6.2 million study saying it’s safe? Show me the study with all these deaths and horrible side effects? " Ah you mean the GAVI Study of 6.2 million Americans FUNDED by Bill Gates and his Foundation...........think I'll lass on that one..... | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP?
Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases.
All in an effort to scare masses into said vaccinces would have been a great answer other than we are talking about deaths.
Deaths are quoted as being within 28days of testing positive..so if you have loads of false positives....and those people die in a car crash or heart attack etc then yes they go down as covid deaths. This is the standard practice world wide"Even were that true, they are edge cases aren't they? 80 to 90 year old, still driving, involved in a fatal car crash and tested positive I mean what are the chances? I'm not denying it could happen, but it's pretty unlikely. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. The yellow card reports are all self reported so they don’t hold much validity And what about the 6.2 million study saying it’s safe? Show me the study with all these deaths and horrible side effects? Ah you mean the GAVI Study of 6.2 million Americans FUNDED by Bill Gates and his Foundation...........think I'll lass on that one..... "So all your studies are ok but the other ones aren’t? And even scientist, every lab, every publisher, everyone that participated in this meta analysis. Are all on his pat roll and keeping quiet? Every country they pulled the data from, they’re all being paid to be quiet too? Show me the data with all the deaths and horrible side effects? This is the problem with the anti vax movement. I’m here to listen, but instead of bringing info you just discredit anything that you don’t like, then link awful studies with tiny sample sizes done by uncredited sources and expect us to believe them? I’m believe the 6.2 million person study that involved probably 1000s of different scientists and labs from every country over your “24 person trial” study | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. The yellow card reports are all self reported so they don’t hold much validity And what about the 6.2 million study saying it’s safe? Show me the study with all these deaths and horrible side effects? Ah you mean the GAVI Study of 6.2 million Americans FUNDED by Bill Gates and his Foundation...........think I'll lass on that one.....
So all your studies are ok but the other ones aren’t? And even scientist, every lab, every publisher, everyone that participated in this meta analysis. Are all on his pat roll and keeping quiet?
Every country they pulled the data from, they’re all being paid to be quiet too?
Show me the data with all the deaths and horrible side effects?
This is the problem with the anti vax movement. I’m here to listen, but instead of bringing info you just discredit anything that you don’t like, then link awful studies with tiny sample sizes done by uncredited sources and expect us to believe them?
I’m believe the 6.2 million person study that involved probably 1000s of different scientists and labs from every country over your “24 person trial” study
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. Are you sure about that? How do the medical authorities decide the safety/risk ratio? What supports your assertion?" Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV)...1960s two died and the vaccine for RSV was pulled and never has a vaccine for RSV been produced since. I am sure many more dont even get to authorisation stage withthe usualy 5/10 year longterms studies. All that has gone out of the window for this vaccine. Despite as we established it not being as deadly as one may think compared to even the usual novel coronaviruses we used to get every winter. why? | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP?
Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases.
All in an effort to scare masses into said vaccinces would have been a great answer other than we are talking about deaths.
Deaths are quoted as being within 28days of testing positive..so if you have loads of false positives....and those people die in a car crash or heart attack etc then yes they go down as covid deaths. This is the standard practice world wide
Even were that true, they are edge cases aren't they? 80 to 90 year old, still driving, involved in a fatal car crash and tested positive I mean what are the chances? I'm not denying it could happen, but it's pretty unlikely. "If it were true that it's all heart attacks and car crashes, the death rate in 2020 was well in excess of expectations. Why is that, if not Covid? Does scamdemic cause erratic driving or something? (Yes yes I know lockdown kills etc. Perhaps compare with New Zealand or jurisdictions in Australia where they overwhelmingly led a normal life within the jurisdiction to attempt to control for that) | |||
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"China has yet to approve the mrna vaccines and aren't giving their citizens those vaccines. They also aren't counting asymptomatic cases and there case numbers are way down as well as no deaths in a good while. Now let's compare that with one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel. They are basically saying now that you aren't fully vaccinated till you get the booster. Cases and deaths have been on the rise since they started giving out the 3rd shot and it still doesn't stop you from getting covid. Please tell me why we are still counting cases, especially asymptomatic ones and how come China has been open for most of this. " China. Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs  | |||
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"Imagine wanting to get case numbers down, and using testing and vaccination to do that. Shocking. Scandalous. Sinister. "So now we are being told that in order to do certain things we must be double vaccinated, a proof of negative test is no longer good enough. What I still can't understand is that surely it is better to not bring the virus into work and leisure places, seeing as how being fully vaccinated is no guarantee that one won't catch it or further spread it. Does that mean that LF and PCR testing is so inaccurate as to be virtually worthless? If this is not the case (and testing is accurate enough) surely collective protection (negative test prior to entry) must be better than personal protection alone (fully vaccinated). --- Finally, in response to the original point. Vaccination has been shown to lessen the impact of covid on an individual, this much is not debatable. I fully understand that maybe it is better for people to take the vaccine, however these forced measures amount to nothing more than bribery and as such risk losing "hearts and minds" as well as undermining trust in govt which could push neutrals and hesitants into the strongly anti-vaxx camp. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. The yellow card reports are all self reported so they don’t hold much validity And what about the 6.2 million study saying it’s safe? Show me the study with all these deaths and horrible side effects? " Self reported? you have to go through the NHS to report it..im sure they iron out the cases that cannot be deemed due to vaccine? | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP?
Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases.
All in an effort to scare masses into said vaccinces would have been a great answer other than we are talking about deaths.
Deaths are quoted as being within 28days of testing positive..so if you have loads of false positives....and those people die in a car crash or heart attack etc then yes they go down as covid deaths. This is the standard practice world wide"How many deaths does this relate to then fella seeing as you seem to be the "expert" on COVID?
TBH your constant starting of new threads regurgitating stuff you've read off Facebook or watched on YouTube is getting pretty tiresome. You're not "questioning" COVID you're just a blatant anti-vaxxer trying to mask (ironic use of the word eh?) it as something else.
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP?
Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases.
All in an effort to scare masses into said vaccinces would have been a great answer other than we are talking about deaths.
Deaths are quoted as being within 28days of testing positive..so if you have loads of false positives....and those people die in a car crash or heart attack etc then yes they go down as covid deaths. This is the standard practice world wide
Even were that true, they are edge cases aren't they? 80 to 90 year old, still driving, involved in a fatal car crash and tested positive I mean what are the chances? I'm not denying it could happen, but it's pretty unlikely.
If it were true that it's all heart attacks and car crashes, the death rate in 2020 was well in excess of expectations. Why is that, if not Covid? Does scamdemic cause erratic driving or something?
(Yes yes I know lockdown kills etc. Perhaps compare with New Zealand or jurisdictions in Australia where they overwhelmingly led a normal life within the jurisdiction to attempt to control for that)"excess deaths? pretty sure it was avg andin line withthe previous years avgs? care to share your death figures and how it differs from say the last 10 years | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP?
Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases.
All in an effort to scare masses into said vaccinces would have been a great answer other than we are talking about deaths.
Deaths are quoted as being within 28days of testing positive..so if you have loads of false positives....and those people die in a car crash or heart attack etc then yes they go down as covid deaths. This is the standard practice world wide
How many deaths does this relate to then fella seeing as you seem to be the "expert" on COVID?
TBH your constant starting of new threads regurgitating stuff you've read off Facebook or watched on YouTube is getting pretty tiresome. You're not "questioning" COVID you're just a blatant anti-vaxxer trying to mask (ironic use of the word eh?) it as something else.
Never has a "sleepy" emoji been needed more on Fab. "blatant anti vaxxer who has had boosters for yellow fever and BCG and Hep lol okay then | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. The yellow card reports are all self reported so they don’t hold much validity And what about the 6.2 million study saying it’s safe? Show me the study with all these deaths and horrible side effects? Self reported? you have to go through the NHS to report it..im sure they iron out the cases that cannot be deemed due to vaccine?" But anyone can go on their, without a doctor, and report it. That means it’s open to lots of false report and people potentially over reporting mild symptoms But like I said, you mentioned loads of deaths directly resisted to the vaccine I haven’t seen these report, can you share where you found out about them | |||
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"China has yet to approve the mrna vaccines and aren't giving their citizens those vaccines. They also aren't counting asymptomatic cases and there case numbers are way down as well as no deaths in a good while. Now let's compare that with one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel. They are basically saying now that you aren't fully vaccinated till you get the booster. Cases and deaths have been on the rise since they started giving out the 3rd shot and it still doesn't stop you from getting covid. Please tell me why we are still counting cases, especially asymptomatic ones and how come China has been open for most of this. China. Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs "U.K Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs  | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. Are you sure about that? How do the medical authorities decide the safety/risk ratio? What supports your assertion? Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV)...1960s two died and the vaccine for RSV was pulled and never has a vaccine for RSV been produced since. I am sure many more dont even get to authorisation stage withthe usualy 5/10 year longterms studies. All that has gone out of the window for this vaccine. Despite as we established it not being as deadly as one may think compared to even the usual novel coronaviruses we used to get every winter. why?"All of what? Two deaths. Out of how many doses? Ten? 100? A million? What was the risk/benefit ratio? What was the mechanism that caused death? Was it able to be mitigated against or prevented? It's not a simple question, determining whether an intervention is safe. What usual novel coronaviruses?  That's... not a thing | |||
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"China has yet to approve the mrna vaccines and aren't giving their citizens those vaccines. They also aren't counting asymptomatic cases and there case numbers are way down as well as no deaths in a good while. Now let's compare that with one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel. They are basically saying now that you aren't fully vaccinated till you get the booster. Cases and deaths have been on the rise since they started giving out the 3rd shot and it still doesn't stop you from getting covid. Please tell me why we are still counting cases, especially asymptomatic ones and how come China has been open for most of this. China. Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs
U.K Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs "I think a lot of people have media sponsored horse blinkers on them. | |||
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"China has yet to approve the mrna vaccines and aren't giving their citizens those vaccines. They also aren't counting asymptomatic cases and there case numbers are way down as well as no deaths in a good while. Now let's compare that with one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel. They are basically saying now that you aren't fully vaccinated till you get the booster. Cases and deaths have been on the rise since they started giving out the 3rd shot and it still doesn't stop you from getting covid. Please tell me why we are still counting cases, especially asymptomatic ones and how come China has been open for most of this. China. Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs
U.K Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs "If you're going to hang your hat on Chinese figures, I've got a bloody bridge to sell you. The UK isn't relevant to a comparison between Israel and China | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. Are you sure about that? How do the medical authorities decide the safety/risk ratio? What supports your assertion? Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV)...1960s two died and the vaccine for RSV was pulled and never has a vaccine for RSV been produced since. I am sure many more dont even get to authorisation stage withthe usualy 5/10 year longterms studies. All that has gone out of the window for this vaccine. Despite as we established it not being as deadly as one may think compared to even the usual novel coronaviruses we used to get every winter. why?
All of what?
Two deaths. Out of how many doses? Ten? 100? A million? What was the risk/benefit ratio? What was the mechanism that caused death? Was it able to be mitigated against or prevented? It's not a simple question, determining whether an intervention is safe.
What usual novel coronaviruses? That's... not a thing "Now you're just being a silly billy | |||
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"China has yet to approve the mrna vaccines and aren't giving their citizens those vaccines. They also aren't counting asymptomatic cases and there case numbers are way down as well as no deaths in a good while. Now let's compare that with one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel. They are basically saying now that you aren't fully vaccinated till you get the booster. Cases and deaths have been on the rise since they started giving out the 3rd shot and it still doesn't stop you from getting covid. Please tell me why we are still counting cases, especially asymptomatic ones and how come China has been open for most of this. China. Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs
U.K Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs
I think a lot of people have media sponsored horse blinkers on them. "So we trust China. Good. That's settled. The virus definitely wasn't developed in or leaked from a lab. China says so! | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP?
Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases.
All in an effort to scare masses into said vaccinces would have been a great answer other than we are talking about deaths.
Deaths are quoted as being within 28days of testing positive..so if you have loads of false positives....and those people die in a car crash or heart attack etc then yes they go down as covid deaths. This is the standard practice world wide
How many deaths does this relate to then fella seeing as you seem to be the "expert" on COVID?
TBH your constant starting of new threads regurgitating stuff you've read off Facebook or watched on YouTube is getting pretty tiresome. You're not "questioning" COVID you're just a blatant anti-vaxxer trying to mask (ironic use of the word eh?) it as something else.
Never has a "sleepy" emoji been needed more on Fab. "And care to state how many threads i have started in the last 2 months?  hardly constant now is it | |||
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"China has yet to approve the mrna vaccines and aren't giving their citizens those vaccines. They also aren't counting asymptomatic cases and there case numbers are way down as well as no deaths in a good while. Now let's compare that with one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel. They are basically saying now that you aren't fully vaccinated till you get the booster. Cases and deaths have been on the rise since they started giving out the 3rd shot and it still doesn't stop you from getting covid. Please tell me why we are still counting cases, especially asymptomatic ones and how come China has been open for most of this. China. Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs
U.K Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs
If you're going to hang your hat on Chinese figures, I've got a bloody bridge to sell you.
The UK isn't relevant to a comparison between Israel and China "You sound like Boris at the COBRA meetings when Italy was burning | |||
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"China has yet to approve the mrna vaccines and aren't giving their citizens those vaccines. They also aren't counting asymptomatic cases and there case numbers are way down as well as no deaths in a good while. Now let's compare that with one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel. They are basically saying now that you aren't fully vaccinated till you get the booster. Cases and deaths have been on the rise since they started giving out the 3rd shot and it still doesn't stop you from getting covid. Please tell me why we are still counting cases, especially asymptomatic ones and how come China has been open for most of this. China. Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs
U.K Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs
If you're going to hang your hat on Chinese figures, I've got a bloody bridge to sell you.
The UK isn't relevant to a comparison between Israel and China "Yes it is, because they will be pushing the Israel model on the likes of the UK and Ireland, completely ignoring how China is getting on. | |||
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"China has yet to approve the mrna vaccines and aren't giving their citizens those vaccines. They also aren't counting asymptomatic cases and there case numbers are way down as well as no deaths in a good while. Now let's compare that with one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel. They are basically saying now that you aren't fully vaccinated till you get the booster. Cases and deaths have been on the rise since they started giving out the 3rd shot and it still doesn't stop you from getting covid. Please tell me why we are still counting cases, especially asymptomatic ones and how come China has been open for most of this. China. Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs
U.K Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs
I think a lot of people have media sponsored horse blinkers on them.
So we trust China.
Good. That's settled. The virus definitely wasn't developed in or leaked from a lab. China says so! " | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. Are you sure about that? How do the medical authorities decide the safety/risk ratio? What supports your assertion? Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV)...1960s two died and the vaccine for RSV was pulled and never has a vaccine for RSV been produced since. I am sure many more dont even get to authorisation stage withthe usualy 5/10 year longterms studies. All that has gone out of the window for this vaccine. Despite as we established it not being as deadly as one may think compared to even the usual novel coronaviruses we used to get every winter. why?
All of what?
Two deaths. Out of how many doses? Ten? 100? A million? What was the risk/benefit ratio? What was the mechanism that caused death? Was it able to be mitigated against or prevented? It's not a simple question, determining whether an intervention is safe.
What usual novel coronaviruses? That's... not a thing
Now you're just being a silly billy "No, I'm serious. If you have a disease like polio, which paralyses children and is the actual reason that ICU was invented, and two out of 20 million recipients of the vaccine die. It might be an acceptable price to pay to prevent the huge toll of polio. If we can figure out how the deaths happen, and prevent some of them, even more so. Whereas - say they developed a vaccine for a common cold virus. Rarely if ever serious. Low community cost. If 2 out of 20 million people died, it'd probably get pulled. It's not a lot of people, but it's not worth it for the illness prevented. (Numbers invented to illustrate my point) | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. The yellow card reports are all self reported so they don’t hold much validity And what about the 6.2 million study saying it’s safe? Show me the study with all these deaths and horrible side effects? Self reported? you have to go through the NHS to report it..im sure they iron out the cases that cannot be deemed due to vaccine?" No any. Tom dick or Harriet can register anything on the yellow card system (or at least you could as of 3.months ago).. Go on try it for yourself. There are very few mandatory fields required. | |||
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"China has yet to approve the mrna vaccines and aren't giving their citizens those vaccines. They also aren't counting asymptomatic cases and there case numbers are way down as well as no deaths in a good while. Now let's compare that with one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel. They are basically saying now that you aren't fully vaccinated till you get the booster. Cases and deaths have been on the rise since they started giving out the 3rd shot and it still doesn't stop you from getting covid. Please tell me why we are still counting cases, especially asymptomatic ones and how come China has been open for most of this. China. Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs
U.K Very reliable. Very trustworthy. Never tells fibs
If you're going to hang your hat on Chinese figures, I've got a bloody bridge to sell you.
The UK isn't relevant to a comparison between Israel and China
Yes it is, because they will be pushing the Israel model on the likes of the UK and Ireland, completely ignoring how China is getting on. "Umm. So you trust Chinese figures and will go off that. Ok
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP?
Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases.
All in an effort to scare masses into said vaccinces would have been a great answer other than we are talking about deaths.
Deaths are quoted as being within 28days of testing positive..so if you have loads of false positives....and those people die in a car crash or heart attack etc then yes they go down as covid deaths. This is the standard practice world wide
How many deaths does this relate to then fella seeing as you seem to be the "expert" on COVID?
TBH your constant starting of new threads regurgitating stuff you've read off Facebook or watched on YouTube is getting pretty tiresome. You're not "questioning" COVID you're just a blatant anti-vaxxer trying to mask (ironic use of the word eh?) it as something else.
Never has a "sleepy" emoji been needed more on Fab.
And care to state how many threads i have started in the last 2 months? hardly constant now is it "I haven't counted as I'm not that sad (unlike some on here). However, you (and a few others) do appear on pretty much every COVID related thread though peddling the same old twaddle. I'm sure a few of you are just doing it to get a rise but even more worryingly a lot of you genuinely believe some of the nonsense you come out with. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP?
Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases.
All in an effort to scare masses into said vaccinces would have been a great answer other than we are talking about deaths.
Deaths are quoted as being within 28days of testing positive..so if you have loads of false positives....and those people die in a car crash or heart attack etc then yes they go down as covid deaths. This is the standard practice world wide
Even were that true, they are edge cases aren't they? 80 to 90 year old, still driving, involved in a fatal car crash and tested positive I mean what are the chances? I'm not denying it could happen, but it's pretty unlikely.
If it were true that it's all heart attacks and car crashes, the death rate in 2020 was well in excess of expectations. Why is that, if not Covid? Does scamdemic cause erratic driving or something?
(Yes yes I know lockdown kills etc. Perhaps compare with New Zealand or jurisdictions in Australia where they overwhelmingly led a normal life within the jurisdiction to attempt to control for that)
excess deaths? pretty sure it was avg andin line withthe previous years avgs? care to share your death figures and how it differs from say the last 10 years"5 year average okay ? https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/excessdeathsinyourneighbourhoodduringthecoronaviruscovid19pandemic/2021-08-03 | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. " Death may be the worst outcome but it's not the only terrible effect of the virus. Organ damage and failures, Long Covid, people hospitalised from Covid, who displace treatment for other conditions, whilst the backlog hrows, are all serious issues that we have tools to prevent on the scales that they are, without the vaccines. This is very simple to understand. | |||
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" Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases. All in an effort to scare masses into said vaccinces "This is true. I've just had a fax through from the Illuminati telling me to "zoom in" on my Quant Studio 7 qPCR analysis software as we need more positive cases. Thick as mince | |||
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"Lol Biden
What did the people of America do to have 8 years of continuous clown shows. they brought it on themselves,there the voters and they voted the two old fuckers in one after the other dont feel sorry for them they chose the shit show that is the u.s of a
It’s not the voters fault. They had no chance against the will of mass media. Their minds are too week and all the did wrong was trust."erm democeat members voted for biden to run,they had other choices,tulsi would of been a better choice than senile joe so yea it is the voters fault | |||
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"The left voted him in purely not to have Trump. That is a stupid reason. This is already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time. Can anyone make sense of this?" It makes perfect sense lol | |||
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister "Nope…. Almost everyone dying from covid is the US is unvaccinated …. 1500 people a day in the US are dying from covid Them be facts…. | |||
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"Fucking hell, some of you lot could create war in an empty room. Lets be very fucking honest, whatever your stance is, for or against vaccines, we are all repeating shit that has been told to us in some form or other. Claiming that you are more intelligent than those you are arguing against when you are simply repeating lines and numbers from someone is the highest degree of high horsery. You are all wrong about something, and you are all right about something. The sooner the opposing sides of all these debates realises that the better. " Except some "shit" comes from highly respected experts in the field of medicine/science and some doesn't. If you want to drive a car fast would you take advice from Lewis Hamilton or some scrote who's just stolen a car? | |||
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister
Nope…. Almost everyone dying from covid is the US is unvaccinated …. 1500 people a day in the US are dying from covid
Them be facts…."Well at the present rate of depletion of the unvaccinated it would take some 200 years before there was there was no more arguments. | |||
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP?
Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases.
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? I’m sure they have a theory. They always do. Probably say the original numbers were a lie, or the current numbers are a lie. Or the whole thing is a lie. And will keep saying that until they get it themselves. How about why dont you compare the 109-200 deaths to this time last year when nobody was vaccinated and come back to me with last years daily figures during same period. Insteadof using 1000 deaths a day from the winter.
Oh wait dont answer that...it will turn you into a conspiracy theorist...mugif this is seasonal, how do you explain Apr 20 v Apr 21?
Yes but if you claim all figures are wrong/manipulated then you can ignore maths and science and just make any claim. tbf he was making a claim based on the numbers. Maybe it is seasonal rather than driven by lockdown and vaccines... I think april doesn't support this view so am interested in how he thinks it does ... OP?
Its all in the PCR test cycle thresholds...they zoom in when they want more and zoom out when they want to find less cases.
All in an effort to scare masses into said vaccinces
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"Didn’t we have like 1000 deaths a day at one point despite restrictions being in place? Now we seen to have between 109-200 a day with basically no restrictions How do the anti vaccine crowd explain that? So lumping all anti covid vaccines in one category or crowd as you say is not disrespectful. UK September 10th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisations (833) people in intensive care (74) deaths (2) 7 day avg deaths (6) September 7th 2021 - 7 day avg hospitalisatons(7,719) people in intensive care (1,035) deaths (183) 7 day avg deaths (114) so with 80% of the adult population vaccinated fully and partially..you can state that the vaccines are a success..despite the Israelis stating otherwise and the latest drive to jab boosters in UK? let meknow your thoughts and apologies on my part for the digs/insults I think we’ve always known the vaccines won’t protect you forever, their immunity drops Also, this vaccine wasn’t made while the delta variant is out. But we can’t deny they’ve had a massive effect. Much like the flu shot that people get every year, except covid is much more transmittable than the flu and I think it’s more deadly Again, I’m open ears to counter points, but as it stands, I thought the scientists always knew this. The vaccine won’t offer life long protection, and variants might become better at evading the vaccines protection. Booster shots were always on the cards. And a recent study of 6.2 million people has shown the vaccine to be incredibly safe. Yeah but surely those 6.2 million were already "safe" during the first waves prior to vaccines? It was always the elderly and those with pre existing conditions that were dying or severly ill. Even amongst them the rate of deaths is very small. But these studies concluded that getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid at all ages. So why wouldn’t you? I understand your point, that the death rate is very low for younger people. But it’s still fucking enough people up that the vaccine, which is both safe and effective, is worth getting. I dunno where else logic falls on this? It seems to me every study of merit fall on “get the vaccine” What about the adverse effects and deaths being reported worldwide? A normal vaccine wouldve been pulled with the reported yellow card incidents alone. Are you sure about that? How do the medical authorities decide the safety/risk ratio? What supports your assertion? Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV)...1960s two died and the vaccine for RSV was pulled and never has a vaccine for RSV been produced since. I am sure many more dont even get to authorisation stage withthe usualy 5/10 year longterms studies. All that has gone out of the window for this vaccine. Despite as we established it not being as deadly as one may think compared to even the usual novel coronaviruses we used to get every winter. why?"The excellent news is that, due to the developments in mRNA vaccine technology recently, we now have a promising mRNA vaccine for RSV, which causes significant morbidity and mortality in babies, the elderly and immunocompromised. My son nearly died of RSV at the age of 3 months - if there'd been a vaccine as safe as the COVID ones, he'd have had it in a heartbeat. | |||
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"Weird how so many of those whining and bleating about 'dictatorial' covid vaccine rules are the same people supporting much more punative rules about what women can do with their own wombs. It's almost as though they're really just a bunch of misogynistic neo-con hypocrites." Well that's how the media reports it.... Wonder why that might be. | |||
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"Weird how so many of those whining and bleating about 'dictatorial' covid vaccine rules are the same people supporting much more punative rules about what women can do with their own wombs. It's almost as though they're really just a bunch of misogynistic neo-con hypocrites. Well that's how the media reports it.... Wonder why that might be. " Hmmm let me see now... oh yeah, it's because they really are a bunch of misogynistic neo-con hypocrites... simples. | |||
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"What is sinister? Aberrant anti-vax comment? ! Sinister ? Yep OP I agree I don’t want to be tracked ether with the chips there putting in these vaccines? It’s a fact ye know ! Honestly I’m serious! Obviously I love a daily dose of Fox News for all the current absolute factual goings on in the world !
Just take horse deworming medication you’ll be brand new
Scroll down this article from the cdc to "Summary of Recommendations". How come the cdc are recommending immigrants take the horse deworming medication, if its not to be ingested by humans. It has been prescribed to humans as well as animals for decades and has be giving awards for doing so. As usual, yous all just follow the lame stream media view on it.
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"Fucking hell, some of you lot could create war in an empty room. Lets be very fucking honest, whatever your stance is, for or against vaccines, we are all repeating shit that has been told to us in some form or other. Claiming that you are more intelligent than those you are arguing against when you are simply repeating lines and numbers from someone is the highest degree of high horsery. You are all wrong about something, and you are all right about something. The sooner the opposing sides of all these debates realises that the better. Except some "shit" comes from highly respected experts in the field of medicine/science and some doesn't. If you want to drive a car fast would you take advice from Lewis Hamilton or some scrote who's just stolen a car? " There's plenty of voices on both sides who are highly respected and educated. | |||
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"Fucking hell, some of you lot could create war in an empty room. Lets be very fucking honest, whatever your stance is, for or against vaccines, we are all repeating shit that has been told to us in some form or other. Claiming that you are more intelligent than those you are arguing against when you are simply repeating lines and numbers from someone is the highest degree of high horsery. You are all wrong about something, and you are all right about something. The sooner the opposing sides of all these debates realises that the better. Except some "shit" comes from highly respected experts in the field of medicine/science and some doesn't. If you want to drive a car fast would you take advice from Lewis Hamilton or some scrote who's just stolen a car? There's plenty of voices on both sides who are highly respected and educated. " It's not an equal balance though. There is an enormous wealth of published research, in the credible literature, from those qualified with expertise. It doesn't represent each side with balance | |||
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"I have had my two jabs. Let's get that out of the way. I've always had a problem with forced vaccines or some kind of unfair pressure to get people to have the vaccine, BUT, if it's the best way to get life back to some kind of normality then it maybe the only way. No one should be forced to have it, but it may well impact their freedom to do certain things in the near future. I never thought I'd see this day, but it is just over the horizon. " I tend to agree, but the bullies and haters on both sides are entrenching the divide. There is little evidence that excluding unvaccinated from anything makes any kind of clinical or statistical sense at all. Of course there is lots of evidence that for many age groups the vax protects the individual from hospital and that's a good thing. Now we have seen some evidence that for delta variant being vaccinated makes little difference in onward transmission. The behavioural aspects of those vaccinated need to be considered. If someone is unvaccinated and careful in their behaviour does that really spread it more than someone vaccinated and less cautious in their behaviours.? I would guess not, but it needs to be measured. Or someone who was vaccinated 6 months ago and whose protection is now down to 30 %? Are they really not catching or spreading it? It just seems to me that having this endless bullying against those who are choosing not to have a vaccine is not helping in any way at all. Why for example are we not hearing more about how long protection lasts for? Radio silence? It's like giving a girl a contraceptive and saying it may work / it may not work but go out and fuck anyway. | |||
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"Front page of my daughters gsce revision guide lays out the scientific principle. These principles are what have been used over the last couple of hundred years to extend life expectancy from somewhere in the 40s to 80s. It has lead to child birth being a safer experience for women than it used to be. It has allowed men and women to control their reproductive systems, which is great for swingers. It has eradicated and reduced many deadly diseases. Yet given all this some wish to ignore the scientific principles when it comes to covid and choose to follow minority voices in and outside the scientific community. Using the principle that any opinion is equally valid to the scientific evidence established by the majority of the scientific community. Whilst they are entitled to their view it does not follow the basics of the scientific principle that has advanced and benefited our lives to this date, which is why I don't agree that any opinion is equally as valid as the majority of scientific knowledge. " Agreed that science has many achievements. I'm not really sure we should be trusting our lives to gcse scientists however. Given that as soon as you go beyond gcse and into a level and degree they pretty much tell you to forget what you've been taught so far. However The scientific principles of measure facts against a control and maintain an unclouded open mind to apply unbiased, unprejudiced analysis and explanation though are very important. | |||
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"The left voted him in purely not to have Trump. That is a stupid reason. This is already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time. Can anyone make sense of this?" Yes, do you struggle with English? | |||
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"The left voted him in purely not to have Trump. That is a stupid reason. This is already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time. Can anyone make sense of this? Yes, do you struggle with English?" Not at all. But as every sentence is visibly nonsensical, curious as to how anyone would derive sense from it. | |||
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"I see someone just escalated from "sheeple" to SHOUTY CAPS LOCK. "Sheeple tends to be a giveaway, typically used within fbook and antivax circles, getting copied and pasted stuff flooding the Internet. It's important to keep our rational minds in gear, think calmly and possibly to take a pause and some slow breathing, before we post something that may be disruptive. The topic may be very emotive but taking a step back, does mean that we can get respectful dialogue from all sides. | |||
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"The left voted him in purely not to have Trump. That is a stupid reason. This is already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time. Can anyone make sense of this?" It seems perfectly clear to me. What don't you understand? | |||
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"The left voted him in purely not to have Trump. That is a stupid reason. This is already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time. Can anyone make sense of this? It seems perfectly clear to me. What don't you understand?" each sentence makes sense to me. I'm not sure why voting for someone because you see the alternative is worse is a stupid reason. That doesn't make sense to me. | |||
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"The left voted him in purely not to have Trump. That is a stupid reason. This is already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time. Can anyone make sense of this? It seems perfectly clear to me. What don't you understand?" That’s no surprise! Let’s break it down for you: 1) ‘The left’ did not vote Biden in, Democrat supporters did, and Republicans who couldn’t stomach any more of Trump. Of these two groups, anyone who can be described as ‘the left’ in any meaningful sense represents a minuscule number. So, a nonsensical statement. 2) Voting in Biden not to have Trump cannot be described as a ‘stupid reason’. If there is a choice of two candidates and you don’t the other candidate to win, logic dictates you vote for the opponent, regardless of anything else. So it makes no sense to call this ‘a stupid reason’. 3) To call this as ‘already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time’ is nonsensical, following as it does from what is observably the worst presidency in US history. Even if Biden’s poor tenure were of significant length to judge, and even worse than Trump’s, it would still be immediately following what had been the worst presidency so far. So, the statement is nonsensical. If you imagine there is sense in these three nonsensical statements, you may not have as firm a grip on sense as you imagine. | |||
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"The left voted him in purely not to have Trump. That is a stupid reason. This is already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time. Can anyone make sense of this? It seems perfectly clear to me. What don't you understand? That’s no surprise! Let’s break it down for you: 1) ‘The left’ did not vote Biden in, Democrat supporters did, and Republicans who couldn’t stomach any more of Trump. Of these two groups, anyone who can be described as ‘the left’ in any meaningful sense represents a minuscule number. So, a nonsensical statement. 2) Voting in Biden not to have Trump cannot be described as a ‘stupid reason’. If there is a choice of two candidates and you don’t the other candidate to win, logic dictates you vote for the opponent, regardless of anything else. So it makes no sense to call this ‘a stupid reason’. 3) To call this as ‘already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time’ is nonsensical, following as it does from what is observably the worst presidency in US history. Even if Biden’s poor tenure were of significant length to judge, and even worse than Trump’s, it would still be immediately following what had been the worst presidency so far. So, the statement is nonsensical. If you imagine there is sense in these three nonsensical statements, you may not have as firm a grip on sense as you imagine." You missed the point the person was alleging about poor grammar...which was the point I addressed as it was still perfectly understandable. You knew that But yes, Biden is undoubtedly ill and being used by some very unpleasant people | |||
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"The left voted him in purely not to have Trump. That is a stupid reason. This is already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time. Can anyone make sense of this? It seems perfectly clear to me. What don't you understand? That’s no surprise! Let’s break it down for you: 1) ‘The left’ did not vote Biden in, Democrat supporters did, and Republicans who couldn’t stomach any more of Trump. Of these two groups, anyone who can be described as ‘the left’ in any meaningful sense represents a minuscule number. So, a nonsensical statement. 2) Voting in Biden not to have Trump cannot be described as a ‘stupid reason’. If there is a choice of two candidates and you don’t the other candidate to win, logic dictates you vote for the opponent, regardless of anything else. So it makes no sense to call this ‘a stupid reason’. 3) To call this as ‘already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time’ is nonsensical, following as it does from what is observably the worst presidency in US history. Even if Biden’s poor tenure were of significant length to judge, and even worse than Trump’s, it would still be immediately following what had been the worst presidency so far. So, the statement is nonsensical. If you imagine there is sense in these three nonsensical statements, you may not have as firm a grip on sense as you imagine. You missed the point the person was alleging about poor grammar...which was the point I addressed as it was still perfectly understandable. You knew that But yes, Biden is undoubtedly ill and being used by some very unpleasant people" Your evidence for your claims? | |||
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"Front page of my daughters gsce revision guide lays out the scientific principle. These principles are what have been used over the last couple of hundred years to extend life expectancy from somewhere in the 40s to 80s. It has lead to child birth being a safer experience for women than it used to be. It has allowed men and women to control their reproductive systems, which is great for swingers. It has eradicated and reduced many deadly diseases. Yet given all this some wish to ignore the scientific principles when it comes to covid and choose to follow minority voices in and outside the scientific community. Using the principle that any opinion is equally valid to the scientific evidence established by the majority of the scientific community. Whilst they are entitled to their view it does not follow the basics of the scientific principle that has advanced and benefited our lives to this date, which is why I don't agree that any opinion is equally as valid as the majority of scientific knowledge. Agreed that science has many achievements. I'm not really sure we should be trusting our lives to gcse scientists however. Given that as soon as you go beyond gcse and into a level and degree they pretty much tell you to forget what you've been taught so far. However The scientific principles of measure facts against a control and maintain an unclouded open mind to apply unbiased, unprejudiced analysis and explanation though are very important. " The point was that the scientific method is known at an early stage in most peoples scientific education in the UK. I did not suggest that anyone would be making scientific discoveries with just a basic gsce in science. | |||
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"The left voted him in purely not to have Trump. That is a stupid reason. This is already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time. Can anyone make sense of this? It seems perfectly clear to me. What don't you understand? That’s no surprise! Let’s break it down for you: 1) ‘The left’ did not vote Biden in, Democrat supporters did, and Republicans who couldn’t stomach any more of Trump. Of these two groups, anyone who can be described as ‘the left’ in any meaningful sense represents a minuscule number. So, a nonsensical statement. 2) Voting in Biden not to have Trump cannot be described as a ‘stupid reason’. If there is a choice of two candidates and you don’t the other candidate to win, logic dictates you vote for the opponent, regardless of anything else. So it makes no sense to call this ‘a stupid reason’. 3) To call this as ‘already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time’ is nonsensical, following as it does from what is observably the worst presidency in US history. Even if Biden’s poor tenure were of significant length to judge, and even worse than Trump’s, it would still be immediately following what had been the worst presidency so far. So, the statement is nonsensical. If you imagine there is sense in these three nonsensical statements, you may not have as firm a grip on sense as you imagine. You missed the point the person was alleging about poor grammar...which was the point I addressed as it was still perfectly understandable. You knew that But yes, Biden is undoubtedly ill and being used by some very unpleasant people Your evidence for your claims? "Do you have any evidence that Biden is well? | |||
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"Nothing wrong with threatening people and their familys livelihood if they don't get a medical procedure they don't want, just so long as it's for the greater good. This is the modern way. Comply. " Loool | |||
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"The left voted him in purely not to have Trump. That is a stupid reason. This is already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time. Can anyone make sense of this? It seems perfectly clear to me. What don't you understand? That’s no surprise! Let’s break it down for you: 1) ‘The left’ did not vote Biden in, Democrat supporters did, and Republicans who couldn’t stomach any more of Trump. Of these two groups, anyone who can be described as ‘the left’ in any meaningful sense represents a minuscule number. So, a nonsensical statement. 2) Voting in Biden not to have Trump cannot be described as a ‘stupid reason’. If there is a choice of two candidates and you don’t the other candidate to win, logic dictates you vote for the opponent, regardless of anything else. So it makes no sense to call this ‘a stupid reason’. 3) To call this as ‘already one of the worst presidencies in a very long time’ is nonsensical, following as it does from what is observably the worst presidency in US history. Even if Biden’s poor tenure were of significant length to judge, and even worse than Trump’s, it would still be immediately following what had been the worst presidency so far. So, the statement is nonsensical. If you imagine there is sense in these three nonsensical statements, you may not have as firm a grip on sense as you imagine. You missed the point the person was alleging about poor grammar...which was the point I addressed as it was still perfectly understandable. You knew that But yes, Biden is undoubtedly ill and being used by some very unpleasant people Your evidence for your claims?
Do you have any evidence that Biden is well?"I've made no claims for his health. Unlike you - so the onus would, of course, rest on those claiming something that is also, presumably, important. | |||
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"Mandating vaccines is a slippery slope, what ever happened to "my body, my choice". " But it isn't just their body is it! That is the point!!!! | |||
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"Imagine wanting to get case numbers down, and using testing and vaccination to do that. Shocking. Scandalous. Sinister. "I think the op means, everyone has a choice, Not you. | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. " Well said! | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. Well said!" And thalidomide was given as a birth control and look how that turned out. | |||
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister "Good? | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. Well said! And thalidomide was given as a birth control and look how that turned out." Thankfully, the whole medicines review and approvals processes were completely overhauled following the Thalidomide tragedies. We've made great, revolutionary progress with many of our controlled aspects of life, including aircraft safety, after Kegworth and medicine approval, following Thalidomide, so that we're beneficiaries to those improvements now, often without awareness of how revolutionary changes have been imposed and managed. | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. Well said! And thalidomide was given as a birth control and look how that turned out." Thalidomide was not given as birth control. It was given to alleviate morning sickness in pregnancy. As Sophie has explained, medicine regulation and approval processes have been massively overhauled since the 1960s. By the way, Thalidomide is still in use today. It has been found to be useful against certain cancers and is now used for that purpose. It is either avoided in women of reproductive age or used in conjunction with a long lasting form of contraception, such as an implant. | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. Well said! And thalidomide was given as a birth control and look how that turned out. Thalidomide was not given as birth control. It was given to alleviate morning sickness in pregnancy. As Sophie has explained, medicine regulation and approval processes have been massively overhauled since the 1960s. By the way, Thalidomide is still in use today. It has been found to be useful against certain cancers and is now used for that purpose. It is either avoided in women of reproductive age or used in conjunction with a long lasting form of contraception, such as an implant. " I stand corrected, you are right about morning sickness, my point being is the people in general are being treated as guinea pigs with drugs described as vaccines to give them validity. If people are choosing to have them fine, but now we are entering a time where people are told they must have them to retain employment etc and not just in this country. Nice to see the boss of Astrazenica getting £15 million in bonuses. | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. Well said! And thalidomide was given as a birth control and look how that turned out. Thalidomide was not given as birth control. It was given to alleviate morning sickness in pregnancy. As Sophie has explained, medicine regulation and approval processes have been massively overhauled since the 1960s. By the way, Thalidomide is still in use today. It has been found to be useful against certain cancers and is now used for that purpose. It is either avoided in women of reproductive age or used in conjunction with a long lasting form of contraception, such as an implant. I stand corrected, you are right about morning sickness, my point being is the people in general are being treated as guinea pigs with drugs described as vaccines to give them validity. If people are choosing to have them fine, but now we are entering a time where people are told they must have them to retain employment etc and not just in this country. Nice to see the boss of Astrazenica getting £15 million in bonuses." In general? How so? Can you link any other recent times people were used a guinea pigs and had untested drugs experimenter on them? The vaccine went through lots of rigorous testing and lots of studies are showing it’s both effective and safe. Can you show some that dismiss this? | |||
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"Do the double vaccinated agree with Biden that we are the cause of problems? Despite the fact Delta entered US/UK due to travel? He has declared war on the unvaxxed and has signed orders for all companies with 100+ employees to demand staff be vaccinated as a requirement or test weekly. All federal employees/contractors must be vaccinated. This stinks of something sinister "Who is “we”? If you are the unvaxxed, then yes, 100%, at this point you are very much the problem. | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. Well said! And thalidomide was given as a birth control and look how that turned out. Thalidomide was not given as birth control. It was given to alleviate morning sickness in pregnancy. As Sophie has explained, medicine regulation and approval processes have been massively overhauled since the 1960s. By the way, Thalidomide is still in use today. It has been found to be useful against certain cancers and is now used for that purpose. It is either avoided in women of reproductive age or used in conjunction with a long lasting form of contraception, such as an implant. I stand corrected, you are right about morning sickness, my point being is the people in general are being treated as guinea pigs with drugs described as vaccines to give them validity. If people are choosing to have them fine, but now we are entering a time where people are told they must have them to retain employment etc and not just in this country. Nice to see the boss of Astrazenica getting £15 million in bonuses. In general? How so? Can you link any other recent times people were used a guinea pigs and had untested drugs experimenter on them? The vaccine went through lots of rigorous testing and lots of studies are showing it’s both effective and safe. Can you show some that dismiss this?" I'll leave you to do your own research, I don't need to validate my thoughts. Do you deny that people are being told, you must have this or that drug called vaccine to retain their employment..I'll leave the last comment to you, enjoy . | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. Well said! And thalidomide was given as a birth control and look how that turned out. Thalidomide was not given as birth control. It was given to alleviate morning sickness in pregnancy. As Sophie has explained, medicine regulation and approval processes have been massively overhauled since the 1960s. By the way, Thalidomide is still in use today. It has been found to be useful against certain cancers and is now used for that purpose. It is either avoided in women of reproductive age or used in conjunction with a long lasting form of contraception, such as an implant. I stand corrected, you are right about morning sickness, my point being is the people in general are being treated as guinea pigs with drugs described as vaccines to give them validity. If people are choosing to have them fine, but now we are entering a time where people are told they must have them to retain employment etc and not just in this country. Nice to see the boss of Astrazenica getting £15 million in bonuses. In general? How so? Can you link any other recent times people were used a guinea pigs and had untested drugs experimenter on them? The vaccine went through lots of rigorous testing and lots of studies are showing it’s both effective and safe. Can you show some that dismiss this? I'll leave you to do your own research, I don't need to validate my thoughts. Do you deny that people are being told, you must have this or that drug called vaccine to retain their employment..I'll leave the last comment to you, enjoy ." Ohhhh you have nothing to back any of what you says up? How strange I’ll go with all the massive studies saying it’s safe | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. Well said! And thalidomide was given as a birth control and look how that turned out. Thalidomide was not given as birth control. It was given to alleviate morning sickness in pregnancy. As Sophie has explained, medicine regulation and approval processes have been massively overhauled since the 1960s. By the way, Thalidomide is still in use today. It has been found to be useful against certain cancers and is now used for that purpose. It is either avoided in women of reproductive age or used in conjunction with a long lasting form of contraception, such as an implant. I stand corrected, you are right about morning sickness, my point being is the people in general are being treated as guinea pigs with drugs described as vaccines to give them validity. If people are choosing to have them fine, but now we are entering a time where people are told they must have them to retain employment etc and not just in this country. Nice to see the boss of Astrazenica getting £15 million in bonuses. In general? How so? Can you link any other recent times people were used a guinea pigs and had untested drugs experimenter on them? The vaccine went through lots of rigorous testing and lots of studies are showing it’s both effective and safe. Can you show some that dismiss this? I'll leave you to do your own research, I don't need to validate my thoughts. Do you deny that people are being told, you must have this or that drug called vaccine to retain their employment..I'll leave the last comment to you, enjoy ." are you talking about the UK or US here ? | |||
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"Polio vaccines was used to eradicate poliomyelitis. It saved millions of a terrible disease. Tetanus vaccine is also the only known way to prevent tetanus. During childhood, five doses are recommended, with a sixth given during adolescence. After three doses, almost everyone is initially immune, but additional doses every ten years are recommended to maintain immunity. Same,this tetanus vaccination is helping millions of people against an awful disease. No difference with COVID-19. It is what vaccination do. Well said! And thalidomide was given as a birth control and look how that turned out. Thalidomide was not given as birth control. It was given to alleviate morning sickness in pregnancy. As Sophie has explained, medicine regulation and approval processes have been massively overhauled since the 1960s. By the way, Thalidomide is still in use today. It has been found to be useful against certain cancers and is now used for that purpose. It is either avoided in women of reproductive age or used in conjunction with a long lasting form of contraception, such as an implant. I stand corrected, you are right about morning sickness, my point being is the people in general are being treated as guinea pigs with drugs described as vaccines to give them validity. If people are choosing to have them fine, but now we are entering a time where people are told they must have them to retain employment etc and not just in this country. Nice to see the boss of Astrazenica getting £15 million in bonuses. In general? How so? Can you link any other recent times people were used a guinea pigs and had untested drugs experimenter on them? The vaccine went through lots of rigorous testing and lots of studies are showing it’s both effective and safe. Can you show some that dismiss this? I'll leave you to do your own research, I don't need to validate my thoughts. Do you deny that people are being told, you must have this or that drug called vaccine to retain their employment..I'll leave the last comment to you, enjoy ." Can't see who has written what or just responded, posts tend to get quite lengthy. For my input. Vaccines have saved millions of lives, end of. If you feel its conspiracy or a money making exercise that's fine, don't get jabbed, I don't care. Maybe one of the side effects of double jabbed is the inability to keep away from the virus forum but I promise to try, honest. | |||
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