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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow...

The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow...

But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies...

So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow...

The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow...

But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies...

So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid?

I believe in the scientists and the governments (even if I think our current UK government are a shambles) my reasons, I have yet to hear a credible reason why they would fabricate figures and lie, what is their motivation? What is their ‘end game’ , who will benefit ? Also, how have they managed to coordinate and collaborate a world wide conspiracy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hmm- rigourous scientific method or some bloke on YouTube. It's a difficult choice to honest.

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By *rMrsRichCouple over a year ago

Bournemouh

I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

You see all the time people making reasonable statements or asking reasonable questions across the full spectrum of the situation and are pretty quickly put into one of the above two categories and then referred to as either a conspiracy theorist or a sheep.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

On a lighter note we spend waaaaay too much time analysing the stats, the statements and the “this may or may not be happening” announcements. I’ve never seen so many posts, article links, YouTube links and numbers and percentages. I’m expecting pívot tables soon!

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hmm- rigourous scientific method or some bloke on YouTube. It's a difficult choice to honest. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Statistics can/are manipulated and interpreted to show the results that the person manipulating them wants to show.

The vaccine/virus compliance issues are not black and white.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I've seen the light.

All evidence can be corrupted. Nothing is fixed. All opinions are equally valid.

Evidence suggests that I'm a woman. Pah, evidence. Science changes its mind all the time. I'm obviously a camel. That's just as valid as my life experience and medical records, because those can be wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

I'm pro-vax and God forbid I'd want to listen and take advice off people who have years of experience in the field of medicine. I also have no problem with people questioning stuff but when you get the whole "government/Bill Gates etc etc" are trying to control us arguments then you're just dealing with people who aren't, with all due respect, very bright (and there are a LOT of clowns in this camp).

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

So you are an idiot if you do, and an idiot if you don't.

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By *otsossieMan over a year ago

Chesterfield

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine. "

This. And the govt aren’t exactly going with the scientists.

It’s a nuanced situation and the facts are not clear.

How can we know whether vaccinating our kids or vaccinating other countries will be the mode beneficial?

It’s likely that new strains will come from abroad, but it’s the kids who will spread it around.

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By *rMrsRichCouple over a year ago

Bournemouh

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

So you are an idiot if you do, and an idiot if you don't."

So why are you an idiot if you listen to an expert? Do you not take advice from your mechanic, your dentist, your builder (etc)?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think the trouble with all this is we are all answering a different question.

Do I trust the vaccines?

Do I trust pharma

Do I trust the regulators?

Do I trust the government?

Do I believe science should dictate policy? And how much? And which policy ?

Do I think government can dictate to me. And if so, how much and what areas?

Do I think vaccines are risky ?

Do I think vaccines are riskier than catching covid.

In any one thread I sense people are looking at slightly different questions yet acting as though we have agreed on the question.

Anarxh ensues.

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By *otsossieMan over a year ago

Chesterfield

"Do I think vaccines are riskier than catching covid. "

Above all, this.

For the others, just weigh up what each party has to gain/lose, then apply to the available evidence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow...

The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow...

But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies...

So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid?

The scientists are guessing with of the benefit of the best available evidence and experience.

Others are just guessing or making shit up.

The government is picking and choosing when to follow the science.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"The scientists are guessing with of the benefit of the best available evidence and experience.

Others are just guessing or making shit up.

The government is picking and choosing when to follow the science."

Summed up perfectly.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow...

The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow...

But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies...

So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid?

I'm not sure it's binary. Its shades of grey. What it comes down to for me is communication of accurate relevant, up to date information which is credible. So as an example... Stop grouping all people together when it suits them and then targeting a unique age group, sex, race when it suits them better. Stop changing the age groupings every day... Under 45, over 65, under 18, 40 to 45..40 to 50..39 to 44...and so on...

If they don't already have the information... Provide information on the effectiveness against delta for all vaccines... And be precise about what "effective" actually means... Effectiveness to stop spreading, stop hospitalisation, stop death for age groups.

Lets also have some clarity over how effective vaccines are by age group after 6 9 12 months... As we don't want to delude people into thinking they are 90 percent protected, when the truth is they might only be 30 per cent (imagine a contraceptive pill as an example that was only 30 per cent effective... People would like to know that fact?)

Lets try and remove dogma and emotion and look at better facts that are better communicated.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow...

The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow...

But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies...

So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid?

The scientists are guessing with of the benefit of the best available evidence and experience.

Others are just guessing or making shit up.

The government is picking and choosing when to follow the science."

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

Both sides are wrong but one side is more wrong about more things more of the time because they don’t apply scientific rigour and selectively cherry pick science and data that agrees with their bias viewpoints

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’ "

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying..."
be interesting to see your workings on this ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow...

This side is stupid (the govt follows science that suits)

The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow...

This side is really stupid.

Turns out we're all more stupid than we'd ever have thought, albeit some are still in denial.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying..."

How ?

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By *urplechesterCouple over a year ago

chester

I think there’s several groups of people and not just two! I also think it’s great that we all have different opinions on things, like everything in life, and love to chat with people whose opinion differs from mine, because I’m able to do so with an open mind! What makes my stubborn arse twitch is those that launch and tell me I’m wrong, look at the science, look at the stats! I’m more than capable of doing that myself without being told to do so haha! No one is right or wrong in my opinion, if you have a view then you’re entitled to it! As I’ve said before, I find the divide sad and worrying tbh. Miss pc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think there’s several groups of people and not just two! I also think it’s great that we all have different opinions on things, like everything in life, and love to chat with people whose opinion differs from mine, because I’m able to do so with an open mind! What makes my stubborn arse twitch is those that launch and tell me I’m wrong, look at the science, look at the stats! I’m more than capable of doing that myself without being told to do so haha! No one is right or wrong in my opinion, if you have a view then you’re entitled to it! As I’ve said before, I find the divide sad and worrying tbh. Miss pc

True, at the end of the day no one on here is going to make me change my mind and I won’t change anyone on here’s opinion either .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

True, at the end of the day no one on here is going to make me change my mind and I won’t change anyone on here’s opinion either . "
I'm open to change if teh facts change. I'm also intrigued how, assuming we have all the same info, that we get different views. That's fascinating to me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

True, at the end of the day no one on here is going to make me change my mind and I won’t change anyone on here’s opinion either . I'm open to change if teh facts change. I'm also intrigued how, assuming we have all the same info, that we get different views. That's fascinating to me. "

Yep, but that will be based on ‘credible ‘ facts, not what some random person on here says

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hard to define what a fact is these days!

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

One side is deontological - they are against anything that is interpreted as an infringement of civil liberty like masks and lockdowns and vaccines. They then double down on this and only look for evidence that validates their values.

The other side is telelogical/consequentialist/utilitarian and looks at the wider impact on society of covid and believes some civil liberties can and should be temporarily surrendered for the greater good - like lockdowns and maskandates. This side may believe vaccines should be optional but the moral imperative is there to have it, given vaccines are safe and effective on the level of the societal population.

You have 2 groups with different ethical systems and different values. They are irreconcilable.

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By *urplechesterCouple over a year ago

chester

Yep, but that will be based on ‘credible ‘ facts, not what some random person on here says

Haha I hear you on that! But again we all get told the credible facts, and you will get those that believe them, those who are on the fence, and those that may distrust where those credible facts came from! And so it continues! Who’s to say who’s right or wrong? Miss pc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yep, but that will be based on ‘credible ‘ facts, not what some random person on here says

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I'd say we get evidence ... Not facts. And that because people use the word facts, when new evidence seems to go against the old evidence, then they end up distrusting everything ...

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By *izandpaulCouple over a year ago

merseyside

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Very true, think some may have forgotten this is actually a swinging site.

We have recently met someone who is very active in the forums but in real life wasn't so vocal.

Also, searching the internet, finding a piece to reinforce your arguement and calling it research, not really.

I went on today and found a piece about hamster mortality. Am I a vet or expert in small pet death, no.

Then I would guess the majority of comments on here, most definitely mine, are just a bit of pub talk.

Good fun though, love pub talk.

Especially the next day when we all say...great night, didn't we all talk some shit...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

I'm unsure that all/most within each side believes the others to be stupid.

Also, that those 2 camps are especially meaningfully different camps.

The antivax group is separate from the hesitant and vaccinated group. I think the latter is more believing in credible scientific expertise, with the former open to anyone who may manipulate them, by expressing antivax propaganda etc, with or without expertise.

Many of us of all camps are rightfully sceptical of the government having our best interests at their heart.

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By *hesblokeMan over a year ago

Derbyshire village

"I've seen the light.

All evidence can be corrupted. Nothing is fixed. All opinions are equally valid.

No need to get the hump

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I've seen the light.

All evidence can be corrupted. Nothing is fixed. All opinions are equally valid.

No need to get the hump

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I worked in a care home for the last 5 and a half years, I quit in December because I felt that by continuing to work there I was helping to perpetuate the lie and it was starting to really get to me we were using the rt-pcr for diagnosis despite the fact that it is not and has never been intended for viral diagnosis and the only thing I could see that was killing the residents was the governments new "covid rules" the guidance for care homes I believe was responsible for a good 80% of the deaths the other 20% was just a case of it was there time. It was heart breaking I spoke to management about my concerns but was told its government guidelines so nothing they can do but I could tell my boss agreed with me every natural death put down as covid including my terminally ill uncle and believe it or not but the all cause mortality rates were at a 5 year low until around two weeks after the first lockdown when suicide, domestic violence mandated DNR'S in care homes ect caused ab exponential rise. I was terrified of covid I remember ringing my dad too scared to go to work in the beginning then on March the 19th they declassified it as no longer a hcid and then the lies on my uncles death cert and I started to dig looking at all cause mortality rates talking to nurses taking a trip round my local icu in every single way it sounds mental but there's not a doubt in my mind that for what ever reason we really are not experiencing a pandemic just fear mongering and exaduration

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By *rMrsRichCouple over a year ago

Bournemouh

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying..."

What a weird thing to say

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *izandpaulCouple over a year ago

merseyside

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying..."

Just when you think you've heard it all...

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By *rMrsRichCouple over a year ago

Bournemouh

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I worked in a care home for the last 5 and a half years, I quit in December because I felt that by continuing to work there I was helping to perpetuate the lie and it was starting to really get to me we were using the rt-pcr for diagnosis despite the fact that it is not and has never been intended for viral diagnosis and the only thing I could see that was killing the residents was the governments new "covid rules" the guidance for care homes I believe was responsible for a good 80% of the deaths the other 20% was just a case of it was there time. It was heart breaking I spoke to management about my concerns but was told its government guidelines so nothing they can do but I could tell my boss agreed with me every natural death put down as covid including my terminally ill uncle and believe it or not but the all cause mortality rates were at a 5 year low until around two weeks after the first lockdown when suicide, domestic violence mandated DNR'S in care homes ect caused ab exponential rise. I was terrified of covid I remember ringing my dad too scared to go to work in the beginning then on March the 19th they declassified it as no longer a hcid and then the lies on my uncles death cert and I started to dig looking at all cause mortality rates talking to nurses taking a trip round my local icu in every single way it sounds mental but there's not a doubt in my mind that for what ever reason we really are not experiencing a pandemic just fear mongering and exaduration "

You must be impressed at the scale of it. Somehow the whole world has been deluded into believing there's a pandemic.

Amazing.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Possibly a reference to the plane crash at the air show? Where nobody died? Or maybe the reporters miscounted and it was actually more than 133 thousand spectators that were wiped out, making it a worse killer than covid

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow...

The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow...

But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies...

So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid?

Qui Bono.

Which side has motive to deceive?

The ones getting labelled domestic terrorists and conspiracy nuts for speaking out?

..or the governments grabbing power and the billionaires who patented vaccines, who also own everything else?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The world is a stage.

it's that simple.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

I wonder why you question the vaccines when the information is entirely public. Literally ALL of the safety data / trial data and all sorts of literature on the mechanism the mRNA vaccines use is easily accessed. There is nothing to suggest anything sinister and ALL peer reviewed work shows vaccines are safe and effective.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

Are you listening to yourself..repeating the govt mantra.

Answer this without screwing up.

How do you know the long term effects of mRNA vaccines?

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By *nkforthekinkMan over a year ago

london/fareham/brighton

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

Sounds like a comment from someone “double jabbed”

There’s loads of reasons why people are against these vaccines. Genuine reasons.

Just because you have personally chosen to take both jabs as soon as possible under government guidance doesn’t mean you can take the moral high ground over somebody who has choose to wait or not get it at all. We live in a beautiful age where we are allowed to question everything!

Personally I’m still choosing to let the dust settle before even contemplating the vaccines!

Few questions that are causing doubt with me…

Medical exemption?? Why? These people can still catch and spread it.

Having the vaccines doesn’t prevent you from catching or spreading it! Why?

Children don’t need the jab why?

People having awful reactions to either covid jab isn’t reported in mainstream media! Why?

My best friend has just had baby with his partner she is currently breast feeding she wants the jabs but isn’t allowed them due to her current situation! Why??

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Few questions that are causing doubt with me…

Medical exemption?? Why? These people can still catch and spread it.

Having the vaccines doesn’t prevent you from catching or spreading it! Why?

Children don’t need the jab why?

People having awful reactions to either covid jab isn’t reported in mainstream media! Why?

My best friend has just had baby with his partner she is currently breast feeding she wants the jabs but isn’t allowed them due to her current situation! Why??

Although people can still catch & transmit the virus despite being vaccinated, it DOES significantly reduce both infection and transmission rates.

The rationale behind vaccinating teenagers is to help prevent the spread, not particularly to protect those kids directly.

All the actual data from the vaccination project is showing us that the reactions to the various vaccines are actually minimal and SERIOUS reactions are extremely rare, but the government would rather down-play the idea of reactions anyway so as to not discourage people from getting jabbed.

I'm not sure why your friend has been "denied" a vaccine, I have a couple of friends who have new-born babies and are breastfeeding... neither of who have had any problem getting their jabs. They did both put off getting jabbed before giving birth.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Someone needs to tell the 125,000 doctors and 300,000 nurses working in the NHS, or are they all part of the conspiracy?

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By *8_manMan over a year ago

Carlisle

my dad caught it in Lanzarote in 2019 if asking where it came from I strongly believe it was a attack from China to destabilise the western world

7 minutes ago

Someone needs to remind James Dyson it was a waste of his time money and experience building ventilators that weren't needed ohh sorry the government did

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

Oh the irony, is is those that are so easily fooled and manipulated by miss information on social media that lack critical thinking skills!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

Are you listening to yourself..repeating the govt mantra.

Answer this without screwing up.

How do you know the long term effects of mRNA vaccines? "

I don't. But I also don't know the long term effects of covid. So I am having to balance up two unknowns. I'd suggest you'd need to do the same and ask hkuysekf how do you know the long term effects of catching covid.

(You'd also need to define what is long term too).

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

You make a good point and I think it's a bit of a balancing act between mother nature who is a bitch and brought us such things as famine, pestilence, disease, earthquakes, tsunami, climate change, forest fires etc

And Big pharma, big govt, media, social media, etc who have historically been led by money, market share, a fleeting relationship with truth and ego and who have suddenly now changed their spots and have philanthropy, altruism, the benefit of others and truth at their hearts.

For some, life's too short and they just want to be told what to do and move on, for others they have a need for better understanding, and for others of course.. Well they just like to stir the pot to their malign agenda.

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By *rMrsRichCouple over a year ago

Bournemouh

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oooooh maybe? It’s like a murder mystery trying to work it out

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By *rMrsRichCouple over a year ago

Bournemouh

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

No one is not ‘relaxed’ if you’re going to joke at least make it a good one / funny one / one that makes sense / use a smiley face / context??

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic comments"
hey not all double jabbed are that bad,had both shots myself for my own selfish reasons,not for wider society or to protect anyone else,asfar as im concerned u want it go get it you dont want it dont have it,what i dont agree with are those who slag people off for not getting it and those who call anyone who has had it a sheep,arseholes on both sides as far as i can see

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You only really see this division on line I find, folks arguing about covid,vaccines etc...in my real life, most of my friends and family have had there vax shots and some haven't including myself..this hasn't made the slightest difference to any of out interpersonal relationships and nobody is going on about it, we just get on with life.

The division is much like covid it's self in that if you turn your television off and get off line, you'll barely even be aware it's a thing.

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By *rMrsRichCouple over a year ago

Bournemouh

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

You’re comment was bland and empty and it made no sense to anyone. And you’ve just proven the points in my very first post on here. Making huge assumptions based on ONE comment on a forum about someone you’ve don’t know, never met and have no clue about their vaccine status. You’ve seen a comment you don’t like and assumed the person making it is in the ‘opposite camp’ to you and started calling people rude and obnoxious.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

PLAY ON!

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By *rMrsRichCouple over a year ago

Bournemouh

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic commentshey not all double jabbed are that bad,had both shots myself for my own selfish reasons,not for wider society or to protect anyone else,asfar as im concerned u want it go get it you dont want it dont have it,what i dont agree with are those who slag people off for not getting it and those who call anyone who has had it a sheep,arseholes on both sides as far as i can see"

Don’t put yourself into a “double jabbed” box. This is what I find so frustrating. You’re having to justify yourself to a random stranger who assumes you’re rude because you’re double jabbed or assumes you’re double jabbed because you’re rude? Who knows it’s so ridiculous.

I mean could you even get a bigger stereotype. It makes me laugh.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

PLAY ON! !

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic commentshey not all double jabbed are that bad,had both shots myself for my own selfish reasons,not for wider society or to protect anyone else,asfar as im concerned u want it go get it you dont want it dont have it,what i dont agree with are those who slag people off for not getting it and those who call anyone who has had it a sheep,arseholes on both sides as far as i can see

I mean could you even get a bigger stereotype. It makes me laugh. "
a bit like those who think anyone who wont have the jab is a tin foil hat wearing granny killer that sort of sterotype,like i said unreasonable arseholes on both sides,

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By *rMrsRichCouple over a year ago

Bournemouh

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic commentshey not all double jabbed are that bad,had both shots myself for my own selfish reasons,not for wider society or to protect anyone else,asfar as im concerned u want it go get it you dont want it dont have it,what i dont agree with are those who slag people off for not getting it and those who call anyone who has had it a sheep,arseholes on both sides as far as i can see

I mean could you even get a bigger stereotype. It makes me laugh. a bit like those who think anyone who wont have the jab is a tin foil hat wearing granny killer that sort of sterotype,like i said unreasonable arseholes on both sides,"

Exactly. You won’t get an argument from me. I know a couple of those PHD educated, tin foil hat wearing granny killers.

There are more than two sides.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

Sounds like a comment from someone “double jabbed”

There’s loads of reasons why people are against these vaccines. Genuine reasons.

Personally I’m still choosing to let the dust settle before even contemplating the vaccines!

Few questions that are causing doubt with me…

Medical exemption?? Why? These people can still catch and spread it.

Having the vaccines doesn’t prevent you from catching or spreading it! Why?

Children don’t need the jab why?

People having awful reactions to either covid jab isn’t reported in mainstream media! Why?

My best friend has just had baby with his partner she is currently breast feeding she wants the jabs but isn’t allowed them due to her current situation! Why??

The answer to many of these are a balance of risks. The jab us not without risk. But it reduces the risk of covid. So if the risk of covid is greater than risk of the jab you get jabbed.

Now the risk reduced with age. So at some point the equation switched and the risk of the jab outweighs the risk of covid. Current thinking is this formula is balanced for kids. So recommendation is to not vacc unless there is an increase risk from Covid. I'd imagine that for newborns the risk is higher with the jab so a precaution is not to give the jab to breastfeeding mothers who may pass it on. That's a guess.

I'd also disagree that reactions aren't being reported. Look at the BBC presenter. And there was a load of stuff on clots early doors. But I'd also not be suprised if the media is being selective. .. not because of scienec but because of policy... I see from these threads most people struggle with probability and risk analysis. That may sound judgemental but this is my job and I'm seeing common errors. As they say a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. So the absence of media articles is a reflection of how HMG view us. Not a reflection on the vaccine itself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

And you wonder why i question whats in those vaccines when every double vaxxed person on here is rude, obnoxious, arogant with no critical thinking skills oter than to reject everythibg they here opposibg the official narrative to the point where you comoletely misread my sarcastic commentshey not all double jabbed are that bad,had both shots myself for my own selfish reasons,not for wider society or to protect anyone else,asfar as im concerned u want it go get it you dont want it dont have it,what i dont agree with are those who slag people off for not getting it and those who call anyone who has had it a sheep,arseholes on both sides as far as i can see

Unfortunately, everyone I know who hasn't had the jabs pretty much is a tinfoil hat wearer and some of the conspiracy theories I've heard need their own TV series.

The phrase about sandwiches and picnics springs to mind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m not sure where the idea that the potential risks from the vaccine outweighs the benefits in children has come from.

That is not what the JCVI said.

What they said is that the benefits do not sufficiently outweigh the potential risks for them to recommend it for all children who are not at higher risk from Covid.

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By *umchum1234Man over a year ago

Bootle

Yes your right we should our news source from the BBC they don't lie,,,especially as they are funded by the public,,

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By *izandpaulCouple over a year ago

merseyside

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

Oh the irony, is is those that are so easily fooled and manipulated by miss information on social media that lack critical thinking skills!! "

Yep, must be my critical thinking skills at fault and probably lack of them.

But, god forbid and taking lack of lots of skills into account, I always thought a joke should make you laugh not have to read it over again slack jawed.

Right, off to develop some of those critical thinking skills, sure there must be a Facebook group somewhere....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

No one is not ‘relaxed’ if you’re going to joke at least make it a good one / funny one / one that makes sense / use a smiley face / context?? "

You cannot blame me if the vaccine has had a detrimental effect on your sense of humour

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

Oh the irony, is is those that are so easily fooled and manipulated by miss information on social media that lack critical thinking skills!!

Yep, must be my critical thinking skills at fault and probably lack of them.

But, god forbid and taking lack of lots of skills into account, I always thought a joke should make you laugh not have to read it over again slack jawed.

Right, off to develop some of those critical thinking skills, sure there must be a Facebook group somewhere....

While youre at it...make sure to complain to your neighbour about the tories duping you at election only to increase NI lol

But not lie to you and lve amd care for you enough to twist your arm into taking a vaccine lol

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

Are you listening to yourself..repeating the govt mantra.

Answer this without screwing up.

How do you know the long term effects of mRNA vaccines?

(You'd also need to define what is long term too). "

When balancing up the unknowns, my reasoning includes that:

(a) The virus has come about by a process of evolution, where the form that survives and thrives most is always the one that more easily infects and colonises the cells of the body. There is no benefit to the virus of the body living beyond the time that the virus takes to multiply and get breathed/coughed out onto new hosts. The whole evolutionary purpose of the virus is to destroy the cells of the host, to a large extent if the host survives that is a failure of the virus.

(b) The vaccines have come about by a process of human design, where the ones that proceed through to manufacture and distribution are those that have passed every safety test that very clever people can think of to throw at them. The manufacturing process is continuously reviewed to ensure the vaccines do not get contaminated or degraded, and that the product is as close as humanly possible to the original formulation. Also, those clever people perform ongoing testing of vaccine and virus, in order to update the formulation if the virus has changed, with any changes that are made subjected to yet more rigourous trials of safety.

So the question is really what do you have more faith in? A virus designed by the universe to kill body cells, which continuously mutates so that by definition it is utterly impossible to predict what long term effects it will have even if first infection appears to clear up (many other types of virus are well known to hide dormant in the body for years and then cause severe problems later in life). Or a vaccine that every effort has been made to make it as safe as possible, to be able to check what changes it does make to the body (ie what antibodies are produced, in what levels, by exactly what types of cells etc), and that is going to continue to be watched over.

My preference is to believe that human beings might be doing a better job at trying to keep me alive. If I need antibodies to stay healthy, I want the artificial ones that come with minimised side effects, rather than the natural ones that I can only get by surviving a virus that really is doing the best it can to kill me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think one of the problems with the divisive situation right now is people seem to believe there are only two standpoints; Pro vaccine and anti vaccine.

I know a few unvaxxed who are hesitant only (for an abundance of reasons, most of which seem perfectly reasonable if you remove the mob mentality)

I know many double vaxxed who are dead against passports

I know one who’s had one jab and won’t take the second after the impact on her

I know people who just got it so they can travel and aren’t really arsed either way

We’re too quick to assume

We’re too quick to abuse people who haven’t a different opinion to us

We’re too quick to assume we are the ones who are right

Not sure how any of these people get time to fuck?

Getting your sources from Facebook and YouTube is akin to asking for advice on hairstyles from Donald Trump.

Indeed there are a lot of people with very strange views. But there are lots of people with massively varying views that don’t fit into ‘either camp’

Going to the bournemouth airshow is way riskier than catching covid and dying...

Just when you think you've heard it all...

I know what a random comment

Oh ffs..so sarcasm is dead as the flu now issit!

Its a bloody joke relax! as in you often hear about air crashes such as this year at the Bournemout airshow

Are you listening to yourself..repeating the govt mantra.

Answer this without screwing up.

How do you know the long term effects of mRNA vaccines?

(You'd also need to define what is long term too).

When balancing up the unknowns, my reasoning includes that:

You know what? I think that is the best, most well thought out and most precisely worded comment that I have ever seen on this Virus section.

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By *heNaturistCoupleCouple over a year ago

crewe

Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions.

We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?.

Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"but how do we come together?.

I find the missionary position works best for this. Either that or a mutual wank.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions.

We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?.

Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap.

A very good point. We will only improve if people want to and have a culture and environment to work together and some leadership to make it start. Not sure we are there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions.

We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?.

Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap.

"
let's agree common ground. Most of us agree in the major stuff but disagree on the minors or how to acheiev the majors.

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

Wild stallions,,, dddlllllyy

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

Hey i'm only 53, you sort it out.

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By *heNaturistCoupleCouple over a year ago

crewe

"Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions.

We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?.

Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap.

A very good point. We will only improve if people want to and have a culture and environment to work together and some leadership to make it start. Not sure we are there. "

We're of the opinion when you treat citizens like children you shouldn't be surprised when they act like it.

Sage had to many social scientists working out how the state can fear you to death because fundamentally they personally believe in control and authoritarianism and sooner or later even children see through the fear and your just left looking dishonest.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"One group of people believes that the science and government are the ones to follow...

The other group believes the alternative media and unaffiliated scenitists are the ones to follow...

But all of those groups are corruptible, and any of you could be eating lies...

So remind me again why each side believes the other is stupid?

I don't think people are stupid, I just think that people like to believe in order and control.

If the government line does not work for you then a conspiracy still offers order and control, just one you can object to.

For me the reality is that we are subject to disorder and chaos and that any actions are mostly reactionary to try and bring back some sense of stability and order as this comforts people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions.

We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?.

Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap.

A very good point. We will only improve if people want to and have a culture and environment to work together and some leadership to make it start. Not sure we are there.

We're of the opinion when you treat citizens like children you shouldn't be surprised when they act like it.

I'm not sure people have been treated like children tbh. From day 1 of the pandemic a lot of people have taken the selfish "fuck you" approach and decided to do what they wanted for themselves, totally disregarding scientific advice/government rules and the safety of others in society. The amount of people defying guidance/lockdowns etc showed that we have a large number of selfish (and to use a phrase from elsewhere on this thread) "fucktards" who quite frankly should've been hammered at an earlier stage and treated more like children. We'd have been in a far better place now if these people would've just done as they were told and not found any excuse they could think of not to comply.

It's just plain ignorance and disregard for others and yet those who contributed to the spread are always the first ones to complain about their "rights" etc.

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By *lym4realCouple over a year ago

plymouth

i believe the scientists and not the Government as if the government had actually followed the science/scientists also believe that we no longer have any kind of functional Government or even a opposition and just a case of rearranging the deck chairs on the good ship UK ..or as the old saying goes the lunatics have taken over the asylum and not one memember of the currentt omni shambles of the cabinet has got the job on merit or even the ability to do a half way good job ...

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By *izandpaulCouple over a year ago

merseyside

"Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions.

We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?.

Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap.

A very good point. We will only improve if people want to and have a culture and environment to work together and some leadership to make it start. Not sure we are there.

We're of the opinion when you treat citizens like children you shouldn't be surprised when they act like it.

It's just plain ignorance and disregard for others and yet those who contributed to the spread are always the first ones to complain about their "rights" etc."

Always wondered why politicians treat us all like children and with so much contempt.

This last couple of years has put that question to bed, I'd do exactly the same.

Sadly, I've become a tad more selfish and think of me and my own first.

Will this change diminish with time, maybe.

But, kind of enjoying this new me.

Have I been a bit of a mug all these years ??

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"Theres to much wrote about division and not enough wrote on how to heal divisions.

We know there's divisions, we know it's no good but how do we come together?.

Or is this it, were divided and keep getting further apart until there's a snap.

"
yep pretty much,we have a period of where everything rubs along nicley then every so often things come along and it forces people to pick sides,then what happens is usually the majority come out on top,trick is to pick the winning side,or not pick a side and watch the madness begin