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"How many people have friends or work colleagues that had a double jab and have died I currently know of 3 friends and one other that have died of COVID I. Th lady 2 months after being double jabbed. With a further 3 hospitalized. (Midlands Based)" I know off at least 100 people who have been double jabbed and haven’t died of COVID | |||
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"How many people have friends or work colleagues that had a double jab and have died I currently know of 3 friends and one other that have died of COVID in the last 2 months after being double jabbed. With a further 3 hospitalized. (Midlands Based)" None, I know off at least 100 people who have been double jabbed and haven’t died of COVID  | |||
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"Well I say I know at least 2 very close friends who have died from covid jabs ( both over 80 ) but that’s not what I son death very. Who knows maybe they would have died maybe not but for me it seems way to risky. " should read but that’s not what is on the death cert | |||
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"Well I say I know at least 2 very close friends who have died from covid jabs ( both over 80 ) but that’s not what I son death very. Who knows maybe they would have died maybe not but for me it seems way to risky. " Scary, do you know many people who are double jabbed that haven’t died of COVID or the jab? | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.." Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? " Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID " But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? " I definitely wouldn’t eat the skittles, is there really a 1 in 20 chance of dying from having the vaccine? | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? " make you right m8 thats why i refused the jab not been long term tested who knows what can happen it like playing rushian roulet one chamber has is live but i also feel that the best imunisation from any virus is the bodys natural imune system | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? I definitely wouldn’t eat the skittles, is there really a 1 in 20 chance of dying from having the vaccine? " 1 in 200k I believe is the stat, don’t quote me on that though | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? make you right m8 thats why i refused the jab not been long term tested who knows what can happen it like playing rushian roulet one chamber has is live but i also feel that the best imunisation from any virus is the bodys natural imune system " Just to clarify, you think that there is a 1 in 20 chance of dying from the COVID jab? Disturbing , if true | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? make you right m8 thats why i refused the jab not been long term tested who knows what can happen it like playing rushian roulet one chamber has is live but i also feel that the best imunisation from any virus is the bodys natural imune system Just to clarify, you think that there is a 1 in 20 chance of dying from the COVID jab? Disturbing , if true " Did I not just say 1 in 200k ? | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? I definitely wouldn’t eat the skittles, is there really a 1 in 20 chance of dying from having the vaccine? 1 in 200k I believe is the stat, don’t quote me on that though " Ah ok, 10,000 times more than 1 in 20? That would make a total of 241 deaths from the 48 million who have had the vaccine in the UK? | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? I definitely wouldn’t eat the skittles, is there really a 1 in 20 chance of dying from having the vaccine? 1 in 200k I believe is the stat, don’t quote me on that though Ah ok, 10,000 times more than 1 in 20? That would make a total of 241 deaths from the 48 million who have had the vaccine in the UK? " As a direct result of just the double jab yes, but you failing to take into consideration the people who have been fully vaccinated and then contracted covid and still died from it, when you add those numbers into it, once again it becomes a scary number, and that’s the point I’m trying to say, if your young and healthy is the risk of getting the jab really worth it, when your immune system would more then likely be able to fight off covid | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? I definitely wouldn’t eat the skittles, is there really a 1 in 20 chance of dying from having the vaccine? 1 in 200k I believe is the stat, don’t quote me on that though Ah ok, 10,000 times more than 1 in 20? That would make a total of 241 deaths from the 48 million who have had the vaccine in the UK? As a direct result of just the double jab yes, but you failing to take into consideration the people who have been fully vaccinated and then contracted covid and still died from it, when you add those numbers into it, once again it becomes a scary number, and that’s the point I’m trying to say, if your young and healthy is the risk of getting the jab really worth it, when your immune system would more then likely be able to fight off covid " I see, do you have those numbers? As it stands, according to your stats 241 people have died from the vaccines, tragic . 133,000 people have died from COVID, using basic maths and assuming that 48 million people have had COVID you are 500 times more likely to die of COVID that the vaccines. | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? I definitely wouldn’t eat the skittles, is there really a 1 in 20 chance of dying from having the vaccine? 1 in 200k I believe is the stat, don’t quote me on that though Ah ok, 10,000 times more than 1 in 20? That would make a total of 241 deaths from the 48 million who have had the vaccine in the UK? As a direct result of just the double jab yes, but you failing to take into consideration the people who have been fully vaccinated and then contracted covid and still died from it, when you add those numbers into it, once again it becomes a scary number, and that’s the point I’m trying to say, if your young and healthy is the risk of getting the jab really worth it, when your immune system would more then likely be able to fight off covid I see, do you have those numbers? As it stands, according to your stats 241 people have died from the vaccines, tragic . 133,000 people have died from COVID, using basic maths and assuming that 48 million people have had COVID you are 500 times more likely to die of COVID that the vaccines. " How many of those people out of the 133k were fully vaccinated ? Your not honestly going to sit there and tell me that not one person who is fully vaccinated hasn’t contracted covid and died, and that’s the point your missing, 1 in 200k will died directly from the jab, but then you also have to tally in the numbers that will die from covid even though they’ve been double jabbed, By all means I’m not saying don’t get the jab, that isn’t my decision to make for anyone, and nor should anyone make that decision for anyone else other then the person that decides weather or not they want the jab, What I was originally saying was, when it comes to the deaths caused by the jab, people shouldn’t be so heartless as to just say “grab a calculator and do the stats” when if someone close to them had died from it, that certainly wouldn’t be there attitude | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? I definitely wouldn’t eat the skittles, is there really a 1 in 20 chance of dying from having the vaccine? 1 in 200k I believe is the stat, don’t quote me on that though Ah ok, 10,000 times more than 1 in 20? That would make a total of 241 deaths from the 48 million who have had the vaccine in the UK? As a direct result of just the double jab yes, but you failing to take into consideration the people who have been fully vaccinated and then contracted covid and still died from it, when you add those numbers into it, once again it becomes a scary number, and that’s the point I’m trying to say, if your young and healthy is the risk of getting the jab really worth it, when your immune system would more then likely be able to fight off covid I see, do you have those numbers? As it stands, according to your stats 241 people have died from the vaccines, tragic . 133,000 people have died from COVID, using basic maths and assuming that 48 million people have had COVID you are 500 times more likely to die of COVID that the vaccines. How many of those people out of the 133k were fully vaccinated ? Your not honestly going to sit there and tell me that not one person who is fully vaccinated hasn’t contracted covid and died, and that’s the point your missing, 1 in 200k will died directly from the jab, but then you also have to tally in the numbers that will die from covid even though they’ve been double jabbed, By all means I’m not saying don’t get the jab, that isn’t my decision to make for anyone, and nor should anyone make that decision for anyone else other then the person that decides weather or not they want the jab, What I was originally saying was, when it comes to the deaths caused by the jab, people shouldn’t be so heartless as to just say “grab a calculator and do the stats” when if someone close to them had died from it, that certainly wouldn’t be there attitude " I don’t know the answer, but 133,000 people have died from COVID and according to your stats 241 people have died from the vaccines, both are tragic figures. The UK has nearly 2,000 deaths for the entire population, using the 1 in 200,000 stat the vaccine has 4 deaths per 1 million | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? I definitely wouldn’t eat the skittles, is there really a 1 in 20 chance of dying from having the vaccine? 1 in 200k I believe is the stat, don’t quote me on that though Ah ok, 10,000 times more than 1 in 20? That would make a total of 241 deaths from the 48 million who have had the vaccine in the UK? As a direct result of just the double jab yes, but you failing to take into consideration the people who have been fully vaccinated and then contracted covid and still died from it, when you add those numbers into it, once again it becomes a scary number, and that’s the point I’m trying to say, if your young and healthy is the risk of getting the jab really worth it, when your immune system would more then likely be able to fight off covid I see, do you have those numbers? As it stands, according to your stats 241 people have died from the vaccines, tragic . 133,000 people have died from COVID, using basic maths and assuming that 48 million people have had COVID you are 500 times more likely to die of COVID that the vaccines. How many of those people out of the 133k were fully vaccinated ? Your not honestly going to sit there and tell me that not one person who is fully vaccinated hasn’t contracted covid and died, and that’s the point your missing, 1 in 200k will died directly from the jab, but then you also have to tally in the numbers that will die from covid even though they’ve been double jabbed, By all means I’m not saying don’t get the jab, that isn’t my decision to make for anyone, and nor should anyone make that decision for anyone else other then the person that decides weather or not they want the jab, What I was originally saying was, when it comes to the deaths caused by the jab, people shouldn’t be so heartless as to just say “grab a calculator and do the stats” when if someone close to them had died from it, that certainly wouldn’t be there attitude I don’t know the answer, but 133,000 people have died from COVID and according to your stats 241 people have died from the vaccines, both are tragic figures. The UK has nearly 2,000 deaths for the entire population, using the 1 in 200,000 stat the vaccine has 4 deaths per 1 million " That should have said 2,000 per million for the entire population | |||
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"How many people have friends or work colleagues that had a double jab and have died I currently know of 3 friends and one other that have died of COVID in the last 2 months after being double jabbed. With a further 3 hospitalized. (Midlands Based)" I'm concerned about middle aged women and heart problems, I've seen more than normal recently. I'd like to add I've no idea if it's covid or vaccination or both but my lived experience is I've seen an increase. | |||
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"I seen data last week saying over 120,000 people are still alive in the UK because of being double jabbed based on infection and previous death rates. But that will never fit some people's narratives especially those who think hospitals are filled with government actors. "Considering since the outbreak there’s been 133k deaths up until this point, I find it very hard to believe that a further 120k would of died in the last few months… | |||
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"I seen data last week saying over 120,000 people are still alive in the UK because of being double jabbed based on infection and previous death rates. But that will never fit some people's narratives especially those who think hospitals are filled with government actors. "Nope, they are just lying to you with statistics, where did they pull 120,000 people from. Take a look back at this time last year, there wasn't as many deaths or cases without a vaccine. Of course the delta 'india" variant just happened to come out of nowhere around the time the vaccines rolled out. What's the new variant going to be called for the booster shots??? | |||
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"I seen data last week saying over 120,000 people are still alive in the UK because of being double jabbed based on infection and previous death rates. But that will never fit some people's narratives especially those who think hospitals are filled with government actors.
Considering since the outbreak there’s been 133k deaths up until this point, I find it very hard to believe that a further 120k would of died in the last few months… "Some people just swallow up every thing that is reported in the media and so called government data.  | |||
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"I seen data last week saying over 120,000 people are still alive in the UK because of being double jabbed based on infection and previous death rates. But that will never fit some people's narratives especially those who think hospitals are filled with government actors. "Never thought they were full of actors, but there was a few very good tiktok dancers.  | |||
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"Some people believe Karen on Facebook and all other kinds of social media. I'm personally waiting for my 5g signal to improve and Bill Gates to follow me "But what makes your sources more reliable? | |||
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"Each to there own and all but I don't belive in covid etc. Just think. The same person who believes the earth is overpopulated, wants to save your life with a vaccine?? " Covid is real, but probably blown out of proportion, for those under a certain age bracket. Also wouldn't trust a computer programmer, who couldn't fix a virus on his operating systems, but that's another story. Sure even his wife is divorcing him now because of him being pals with Mr Epstein. | |||
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"Each to there own and all but I don't belive in covid etc. Just think. The same person who believes the earth is overpopulated, wants to save your life with a vaccine?? " Are you a flat earther? | |||
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"I didn't say it was or wasn't more reliable. Openly accessible on government sites over 130,000k have died from Covid over 1500 have died within a relevant timescale of having the vaccine. Their estimations are between 102,500 to 109,500 (this will be 120+ by the end of the month, lives have been saved by the vaccine) and over 20 million infections stopped. I'm only quoting government figures but if you believe one government figures why wouldn't you believe the others???" They are just pulling figures out of a bag with their 20 million, I don't trust any of the figures, that's the thing. | |||
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"I didn't say it was or wasn't more reliable. Openly accessible on government sites over 130,000k have died from Covid over 1500 have died within a relevant timescale of having the vaccine. Their estimations are between 102,500 to 109,500 (this will be 120+ by the end of the month, lives have been saved by the vaccine) and over 20 million infections stopped. I'm only quoting government figures but if you believe one government figures why wouldn't you believe the others???" I could say ditto in terms or you government figures question, So before the first rollout of the vaccination, 4 million had been infected, and around 69-70k had died, since the rollout a further 63k have died, that’s were I have the issue of the 120k deaths prevented, the death rate is pretty much the same since the first rollout Using logic, it doesn’t make any sense, The difference between now and when the outbreak first started, is your immune system learning to fight the virus, Just like any virus, health problems and older people are more vulnerable, but we never forced flu jabs ? We’ve never had flu jab passports, | |||
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"I didn't say it was or wasn't more reliable. Openly accessible on government sites over 130,000k have died from Covid over 1500 have died within a relevant timescale of having the vaccine. Their estimations are between 102,500 to 109,500 (this will be 120+ by the end of the month, lives have been saved by the vaccine) and over 20 million infections stopped. I'm only quoting government figures but if you believe one government figures why wouldn't you believe the others???" Also only 6 million have been infected in the uk since the first outbreak, so where have they even got 20 million from ? It’s very questionable | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? " Yes, it would be a statistic. It's how they measure so stats are unavoidable. I have two very close friends who have died from COVID itself, not the jab and a few who've caught it. If the jab had been available then as they suffered from lung failure, not clotting, then they would more than likely be still alive today. Bad timing as the jab came a year too late for them. The stats I refer to is the number per million dying from COVID itself, ?compared to vaccine induced. It you didn't survive having the jab then it is highly likely COVID itself would have ended your life when caught. So far, I have avoided it but with 30k+ per day catching it, statistically, it is only a matter if time. So, as with everything in life, there is risk from the jab but a damn site less than the disease itself which is why I was willing to take the chance and have both. Callous as it sounds, you are at higher risk of the virus than the jab. My next door neighbour had clots on her feet and legs which lasted for months from the virus itself last year. The clotting issue is the immune response to something, likely a protein which is causing over reaction of the body's response and not unique to the vaccine. the vaccine is in a more controlled scenario than actually being infected by the virus which is a massive shock to the system leading to inevitable higher mortality. Living itself carries 'risk' and as with everything in life, it is based on statistics. Having sex Driving a car Crossing the road Walking in a thunderstorm It is at what level you decide it is unacceptable. 100 or so per 60 million from vaccine is better odds than not having the jab which without checking was 10,000 deaths per million infected (pre vaccine) and that is highly likely that not surviving the jab, that you would not have survive COVID. It's not good for anyone to die regardless of the cause but claims that the vaccine should be avoided because a few succumbed are dangerous. I know which horse I would back. I had an anti-vax leaflet shoved through my door two weeks ago and never read such flase BS that was on it. | |||
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"Each to there own and all but I don't belive in covid etc. Just think. The same person who believes the earth is overpopulated, wants to save your life with a vaccine?? Are you a flat earther? "defo not. Just not nieve to the bullshit fed to me. Like I said each to there own everyone has an opinion. | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Yes, it would be a statistic. It's how they measure so stats are unavoidable. I have two very close friends who have died from COVID itself, not the jab and a few who've caught it. If the jab had been available then as they suffered from lung failure, not clotting, then they would more than likely be still alive today. Bad timing as the jab came a year too late for them. The stats I refer to is the number per million dying from COVID itself, ?compared to vaccine induced. It you didn't survive having the jab then it is highly likely COVID itself would have ended your life when caught. So far, I have avoided it but with 30k+ per day catching it, statistically, it is only a matter if time. So, as with everything in life, there is risk from the jab but a damn site less than the disease itself which is why I was willing to take the chance and have both. Callous as it sounds, you are at higher risk of the virus than the jab. My next door neighbour had clots on her feet and legs which lasted for months from the virus itself last year. The clotting issue is the immune response to something, likely a protein which is causing over reaction of the body's response and not unique to the vaccine. the vaccine is in a more controlled scenario than actually being infected by the virus which is a massive shock to the system leading to inevitable higher mortality. Living itself carries 'risk' and as with everything in life, it is based on statistics. Having sex Driving a car Crossing the road Walking in a thunderstorm It is at what level you decide it is unacceptable. 100 or so per 60 million from vaccine is better odds than not having the jab which without checking was 10,000 deaths per million infected (pre vaccine) and that is highly likely that not surviving the jab, that you would not have survive COVID. It's not good for anyone to die regardless of the cause but claims that the vaccine should be avoided because a few succumbed are dangerous. I know which horse I would back. I had an anti-vax leaflet shoved through my door two weeks ago and never read such flase BS that was on it. " It was more the way of how insensitive it come across, yes for data purposes, it’s a stat, but when having a discussion about it, there’s no need to have a insensitive matter about it, a more detailed explanation like the one you’ve just posted is alot better way to express your opinion, In terms of the vax, we can debate it until the end of time, but it’s a pointless debate, everyone will have there opinion based on there experiences, Yourself for instance, your in a position where you potentially wouldn’t of lost your friends if the vaccine would have been available, which naturally will make you sway more towards the vaccination, Myself, I’ve had the opposite experience, I currently have a friend in a coma in icu because of the jab, and also someone in the area I live, my age, perfectly healthy, no health problems, had the jab and died (I didn’t know them personally but knew of them), So naturally for me I sway away from The idea of having the jab, (I’m not an anti Vaxer btw) With that being said that is my decision, I wouldn’t ever tell someone what to do in terms of getting the jab, at the end of the day we are all individuals and it’s our individual choice, not everyone will Get the jab and that just needs to be accepted | |||
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"How many people have friends or work colleagues that had a double jab and have died I currently know of 3 friends and one other that have died of COVID in the last 2 months after being double jabbed. With a further 3 hospitalized. (Midlands Based)" Don't you mean died with covid? | |||
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"Each to there own and all but I don't belive in covid etc. Just think. The same person who believes the earth is overpopulated, wants to save your life with a vaccine?? " The world is over populated. Iradicating disease is a good thing. I don't understand how Bill Gates can't have the same opinion. Improving standards of education and health will slow down population growth and ultimately reduce it. Source: countries with high levels of health and education. | |||
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"We do know people who were extremely sick with covid and also some who were close to us that died. These were early on, before having access to a vaccine. We also know far more people who have caught covid after being vaccinated and although were a bit poorly have come through it and are fine now."  Likewise | |||
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"So what are we supposed to do. No vaccine? Yeah that worked out well for the 100 thousand plus who died from covid or issues caused by covid. Imagine where we would be now without the vaccine being rolled out?" Good point
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" With that being said that is my decision, I wouldn’t ever tell someone what to do in terms of getting the jab, at the end of the day we are all individuals and it’s our individual choice, not everyone will Get the jab and that just needs to be accepted " However by propagating misinformation, you're contributing to the doubt in people who otherwise might have had the vaccine. | |||
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"How many people have friends or work colleagues that had a double jab and have died I currently know of 3 friends and one other that have died of COVID in the last 2 months after being double jabbed. With a further 3 hospitalized. (Midlands Based)" You must know a hell of a lot of people. | |||
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"Can't believe this stuff is still doing the rounds.. Last year pre jab over 100k deaths within 28 days of a covid test and shit loads of hospitalizations. Since the jab yes there are still deaths but more like 5-10k a year. If your waiting for a silver bullet that will prevent disease 100% then you have a long wait. No vaccine is 100%, no medicine is. But its about relative risk but hey no one is forced so if you want to ignore the maths on this and go with your gut that is your free choice to do so. " Well said... | |||
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"How many people have friends or work colleagues that had a double jab and have died I currently know of 3 friends and one other that have died of COVID in the last 2 months after being double jabbed. With a further 3 hospitalized. (Midlands Based) You must know a hell of a lot of people." I know of one person who had a bad reaction to the jab. Did not die but did get clots. Its not a zero risk issue, but the question is would any jab increase this risk and can these people be pre identified. I was asked if I was at risk, but until it happens few would know. Like I said earlier though, there is no perfect drug and they all come with these risks. They just don't all get this level of coverage and conspiracy. | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? I definitely wouldn’t eat the skittles, is there really a 1 in 20 chance of dying from having the vaccine? 1 in 200k I believe is the stat, don’t quote me on that though Ah ok, 10,000 times more than 1 in 20? That would make a total of 241 deaths from the 48 million who have had the vaccine in the UK? As a direct result of just the double jab yes, but you failing to take into consideration the people who have been fully vaccinated and then contracted covid and still died from it, when you add those numbers into it, once again it becomes a scary number, and that’s the point I’m trying to say, if your young and healthy is the risk of getting the jab really worth it, when your immune system would more then likely be able to fight off covid I see, do you have those numbers? As it stands, according to your stats 241 people have died from the vaccines, tragic . 133,000 people have died from COVID, using basic maths and assuming that 48 million people have had COVID you are 500 times more likely to die of COVID that the vaccines. How many of those people out of the 133k were fully vaccinated ? Your not honestly going to sit there and tell me that not one person who is fully vaccinated hasn’t contracted covid and died, and that’s the point your missing, 1 in 200k will died directly from the jab, but then you also have to tally in the numbers that will die from covid even though they’ve been double jabbed, By all means I’m not saying don’t get the jab, that isn’t my decision to make for anyone, and nor should anyone make that decision for anyone else other then the person that decides weather or not they want the jab, What I was originally saying was, when it comes to the deaths caused by the jab, people shouldn’t be so heartless as to just say “grab a calculator and do the stats” when if someone close to them had died from it, that certainly wouldn’t be there attitude I don’t know the answer, but 133,000 people have died from COVID and according to your stats 241 people have died from the vaccines, both are tragic figures. The UK has nearly 2,000 deaths for the entire population, using the 1 in 200,000 stat the vaccine has 4 deaths per 1 million " Not from COVID. Within 28 days after testing positive. Two completely different stats. Why instead of arguing with strangers online don't you Google how many deaths there was where covid was a primary reason of death and age ranges of those who died. | |||
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"There are over 6000 people in my organisation who have been double jabbed, not one has subsequently died." Ah but then you must be part of the conspiracy. Don't forget to pick up your conspiracy cheque like the rest of us. | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? I definitely wouldn’t eat the skittles, is there really a 1 in 20 chance of dying from having the vaccine? 1 in 200k I believe is the stat, don’t quote me on that though Ah ok, 10,000 times more than 1 in 20? That would make a total of 241 deaths from the 48 million who have had the vaccine in the UK? As a direct result of just the double jab yes, but you failing to take into consideration the people who have been fully vaccinated and then contracted covid and still died from it, when you add those numbers into it, once again it becomes a scary number, and that’s the point I’m trying to say, if your young and healthy is the risk of getting the jab really worth it, when your immune system would more then likely be able to fight off covid I see, do you have those numbers? As it stands, according to your stats 241 people have died from the vaccines, tragic . 133,000 people have died from COVID, using basic maths and assuming that 48 million people have had COVID you are 500 times more likely to die of COVID that the vaccines. How many of those people out of the 133k were fully vaccinated ? Your not honestly going to sit there and tell me that not one person who is fully vaccinated hasn’t contracted covid and died, and that’s the point your missing, 1 in 200k will died directly from the jab, but then you also have to tally in the numbers that will die from covid even though they’ve been double jabbed, By all means I’m not saying don’t get the jab, that isn’t my decision to make for anyone, and nor should anyone make that decision for anyone else other then the person that decides weather or not they want the jab, What I was originally saying was, when it comes to the deaths caused by the jab, people shouldn’t be so heartless as to just say “grab a calculator and do the stats” when if someone close to them had died from it, that certainly wouldn’t be there attitude I don’t know the answer, but 133,000 people have died from COVID and according to your stats 241 people have died from the vaccines, both are tragic figures. The UK has nearly 2,000 deaths for the entire population, using the 1 in 200,000 stat the vaccine has 4 deaths per 1 million Not from COVID. Within 28 days after testing positive. Two completely different stats. Why instead of arguing with strangers online don't you Google how many deaths there was where covid was a primary reason of death and age ranges of those who died. " I am not arguing, I don’t know those figures, do you know how many deaths there were where the vaccines was the primary reason of death and age ranges of those who died? | |||
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"There are over 6000 people in my organisation who have been double jabbed, not one has subsequently died. Ah but then you must be part of the conspiracy. Don't forget to pick up your conspiracy cheque like the rest of us. " We get paid? I was just doing it because Bill Gates and the globalists ordered me to, via the mind control chip and 5G. | |||
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"There are over 6000 people in my organisation who have been double jabbed, not one has subsequently died. Ah but then you must be part of the conspiracy. Don't forget to pick up your conspiracy cheque like the rest of us. We get paid? I was just doing it because Bill Gates and the globalists ordered me to, via the mind control chip and 5G." Your just being silly now, Bill Gates is just the front man for the lizard people, they are the ones in charge | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? " . Of course it would be. There are people dying for all sorts of reasons every day. Every one is tragic in it’s own way but it goes on and on happening relentlessly. Neither vaccinations nor shutting down life will stop it happening. | |||
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"To be clear, you haven’t studied science, you just accept what your told by your scientific shaman. You do zero investigation of your own and throw insults about like your so diligent, what a joke. " , | |||
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" People like outspoken pro depopulation advocate Bill Gates who owns the patent to the virus itself and has major interests in the vaccines. His long time associate Fauci had the Wuhan institute of virology develop it. It all came out in congressional hearing when senator Rand Paul questioned Fauci. " Just when you think you’ve read it all on here! | |||
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"Well I say I know at least 2 very close friends who have died from covid jabs ( both over 80 ) but that’s not what I son death very. Who knows maybe they would have died maybe not but for me it seems way to risky. should read but that’s not what is on the death cert " Ergo the vaccine isn't what they died of. *and on we go | |||
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"Can't believe this stuff is still doing the rounds.. Last year pre jab over 100k deaths within 28 days of a covid test and shit loads of hospitalizations. Since the jab yes there are still deaths but more like 5-10k a year. If your waiting for a silver bullet that will prevent disease 100% then you have a long wait. No vaccine is 100%, no medicine is. But its about relative risk but hey no one is forced so if you want to ignore the maths on this and go with your gut that is your free choice to do so. Can’t believe you still haven’t realised they recorded ANY cause of death as covid to sell the scamdemic! Do you really not question how flu and pneumonia just disappeared? Did you not hear of the countless old and ill were put down as covid deaths when they were already expected to die that week of other causes? I do t know how but obviously not. " Between 2009 and 2019,,on average just over 500k deaths occur annually in the UK. If all deaths are recorded as covid deaths then surely covid deaths would now be sitting at at least 750k...You are clearly talking nonsense. In the US just under 600k died of heart disease in 2019. In 2020 the figure was just over 600k. The differences were negligible. People are still dying of other causes and not just being out down as covid deaths. I understand that flu has a low r0 Vs covid so lockdowns that reduce covid r0 to an average of about 1 (which is why cases fluctuate giving balanced peaks and troughs) would have a similar effect on flu but would push flu well below 1. Isn't that obvious? Your comment about people about to die that same week. During a normal flu season that situation would happen. Someone dying of X catches flu and dies. Many flu deaths in the past would have been like that. I didn't hear people kicking off about this in the past. | |||
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"How many people have friends or work colleagues that had a double jab and have died I currently know of 3 friends and one other that have died of COVID in the last 2 months after being double jabbed. With a further 3 hospitalized. (Midlands Based)" Go to worldometers Click on UK Sctoll down to the "daily deaths" graph Come back and acknowledge the vaccine works Job done | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? I definitely wouldn’t eat the skittles, is there really a 1 in 20 chance of dying from having the vaccine? 1 in 200k I believe is the stat, don’t quote me on that though Ah ok, 10,000 times more than 1 in 20? That would make a total of 241 deaths from the 48 million who have had the vaccine in the UK? As a direct result of just the double jab yes, but you failing to take into consideration the people who have been fully vaccinated and then contracted covid and still died from it, when you add those numbers into it, once again it becomes a scary number, and that’s the point I’m trying to say, if your young and healthy is the risk of getting the jab really worth it, when your immune system would more then likely be able to fight off covid I see, do you have those numbers? As it stands, according to your stats 241 people have died from the vaccines, tragic . 133,000 people have died from COVID, using basic maths and assuming that 48 million people have had COVID you are 500 times more likely to die of COVID that the vaccines. " That's a pretty broad generalisation which borders on fearmongering. You can't actually determine this persons risk without knowing their age, gender, BMI and what co morbities they have. And the equivalent data to work out an individual person's absolute risk of dying from the vaccines just doesn't exist at the moment for a meaningful comparison to be made. At the moment i can only calculate my own individual risk profile which tells me i have a 1 in 44000 chance of dying of covid in the next 90 days (someone of same age etc without any risk factors would have 1 in 66000 chance of catching and dying of covid). Risk calculators have not been updated to reflect delta characteristics. But it's still more helpful for me to know this than the fact 133000 people died of covid because that figure tells me nothing about the characteristics of those who died. Most people can't think straight when they're in fear. I think most people would agree on that. | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%." Aren't the vaccinated a larger group now though? Which would be the reason why they are more represented in deaths rather than it being an issue with the vaccine? | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%." What conclusion do you draw from this? | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%." What if you don't believe the official statistics?
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. Aren't the vaccinated a larger group now though? Which would be the reason why they are more represented in deaths rather than it being an issue with the vaccine? "
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%." It's more complicated than that though. Those most likely to die from covid (the 'they were about to die anyway' group we hear about...) will all have been vaccinated (older people in care homes, dementia etc who didn't actually have a choice) whereas those who haven't been vaccinated are more likely to be healthy but got a bit unlucky when they caught covid... | |||
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"The really good news is Roughly 94% of adults tested by the ONS during the week ending 15 August had Covid antibodies. That's a great result as most people will by one means or another have the tools to fight infection. The vaccine debate is fast becoming irrelevant for most as it will just cycle around the population topping up your immunity. " Exactly. When my covid immunity runs low, I will undoubtedly catch it, my immune system will hopefully react quicker than it would have done without vaccine. At that time, you immunity might be high as you had covid a few weeks earlier or still good from infection 6 months earlier. This is so important when we 'learn to live with it'. EVeryone's level of immunity will end up staggered which means there won't be a huge demand on the NHS. The demand we would have seen if there were no lockdowns or restrictions. | |||
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" With that being said that is my decision, I wouldn’t ever tell someone what to do in terms of getting the jab, at the end of the day we are all individuals and it’s our individual choice, not everyone will Get the jab and that just needs to be accepted However by propagating misinformation, you're contributing to the doubt in people who otherwise might have had the vaccine." Please point me in the direction of my “misinformation” what have I said that isn’t true or factual ? In fact if you read what I said clearly then you notice I was actually being neutral on the situation, I said people will make there decision on the vaccine based on there experience of the pandemic, I’m not going to write the whole thing out again because some simple scrolling and people will see what I’ve said for themselves, The irony in what you’ve just posted, is you’ve just propagated misinformation yourself | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. It's more complicated than that though. Those most likely to die from covid (the 'they were about to die anyway' group we hear about...) will all have been vaccinated (older people in care homes, dementia etc who didn't actually have a choice) whereas those who haven't been vaccinated are more likely to be healthy but got a bit unlucky when they caught covid..." Keep telling yourself wahtever calms your fear  . | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. It's more complicated than that though. Those most likely to die from covid (the 'they were about to die anyway' group we hear about...) will all have been vaccinated (older people in care homes, dementia etc who didn't actually have a choice) whereas those who haven't been vaccinated are more likely to be healthy but got a bit unlucky when they caught covid... Keep telling yourself wahtever calms your fear ."Your logic is about good as your spelling | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. It's more complicated than that though. Those most likely to die from covid (the 'they were about to die anyway' group we hear about...) will all have been vaccinated (older people in care homes, dementia etc who didn't actually have a choice) whereas those who haven't been vaccinated are more likely to be healthy but got a bit unlucky when they caught covid... Keep telling yourself wahtever calms your fear .
Your logic is about good as your spelling"Thanks.......so please show where the U.K Gov figures that I posted are not logical?? | |||
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"I don't know of anybody that died from covid Not one person. I have attended funerals,of folk who died during these restrictions,but none died of covid,not one." Whatever can this mean? | |||
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"Please point me in the direction of my “misinformation” what have I said that isn’t true or factual ? You've forgotten your sensational 20:1 bowl of Skittles analogy? Which you only clarified after being challenged by another poster." Think you seriously need to check........I never posted ANY SUCH thing........ | |||
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"I don't know of anybody that died from covid Not one person. I have attended funerals,of folk who died during these restrictions,but none died of covid,not one." During the last 18 months I don't know of anybody who's died from Multiple Sclerosis, but I don't doubt it's existence. | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. Aren't the vaccinated a larger group now though? Which would be the reason why they are more represented in deaths rather than it being an issue with the vaccine?
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"I don't know of anybody that died from covid Not one person. I have attended funerals,of folk who died during these restrictions,but none died of covid,not one. During the last 18 months I don't know of anybody who's died from Multiple Sclerosis, but I don't doubt it's existence." During the last 18 months I don't know anyone who has died... | |||
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"I don't know of anybody that died from covid Not one person. I have attended funerals,of folk who died during these restrictions,but none died of covid,not one. During the last 18 months I don't know of anybody who's died from Multiple Sclerosis, but I don't doubt it's existence." I'm not doubting the existence of covid,I have had friends and family members diagnosed positive with covid. All mild I will add. I know of one person,who had it bad,weeks in intensive care,that person did have underlying health problems,and as bad as he was with covid he survived. What I said was,I don't personally know of one single person that died from covid or covid related complications | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. It's more complicated than that though. Those most likely to die from covid (the 'they were about to die anyway' group we hear about...) will all have been vaccinated (older people in care homes, dementia etc who didn't actually have a choice) whereas those who haven't been vaccinated are more likely to be healthy but got a bit unlucky when they caught covid... Keep telling yourself wahtever calms your fear ."I have spent the last week living under the same roof as a someone with covid. No fear here. Public Health Scotland are now reporting on cars, admissions and deaths for unvaccinated, 1 dose and 2 does by population (per 100k). In the last week, 0.87 deaths per 100k in the unvaccinated and 0.82 in the double vaccinated. 88% of deaths recorded so far are in the 65+ age group. This age group in now over 99% double vaccinated. However, there are now more deaths in the unvaccinated. This means that either more younger unvaccinated people are dying or the few stupid fools in the older age groups who think covid isn't real are dying...take your pick. | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%." Those un-vaccinated becoming infected are younger and less likely to die. The vaccinated becoming infected are therefore older and more likely to die. As the gap between vaccinated and un-vaccinated gets wider, there will be an increase of vaccinated becoming infected, hospitalised and dying. Not a surprise. | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. It's more complicated than that though. Those most likely to die from covid (the 'they were about to die anyway' group we hear about...) will all have been vaccinated (older people in care homes, dementia etc who didn't actually have a choice) whereas those who haven't been vaccinated are more likely to be healthy but got a bit unlucky when they caught covid... Keep telling yourself wahtever calms your fear .
I have spent the last week living under the same roof as a someone with covid. No fear here.
Public Health Scotland are now reporting on cars, admissions and deaths for unvaccinated, 1 dose and 2 does by population (per 100k).
In the last week, 0.87 deaths per 100k in the unvaccinated and 0.82 in the double vaccinated.
88% of deaths recorded so far are in the 65+ age group. This age group in now over 99% double vaccinated. However, there are now more deaths in the unvaccinated. This means that either more younger unvaccinated people are dying or the few stupid fools in the older age groups who think covid isn't real are dying...take your pick.
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"I don't know of anybody that died from covid Not one person. I have attended funerals,of folk who died during these restrictions,but none died of covid,not one. During the last 18 months I don't know of anybody who's died from Multiple Sclerosis, but I don't doubt it's existence. I'm not doubting the existence of covid,I have had friends and family members diagnosed positive with covid. All mild I will add. I know of one person,who had it bad,weeks in intensive care,that person did have underlying health problems,and as bad as he was with covid he survived. What I said was,I don't personally know of one single person that died from covid or covid related complications" Thanks but I'm not sure of your point. | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. Those un-vaccinated becoming infected are younger and less likely to die. The vaccinated becoming infected are therefore older and more likely to die. As the gap between vaccinated and un-vaccinated gets wider, there will be an increase of vaccinated becoming infected, hospitalised and dying. Not a surprise. " Well said
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. It's more complicated than that though. Those most likely to die from covid (the 'they were about to die anyway' group we hear about...) will all have been vaccinated (older people in care homes, dementia etc who didn't actually have a choice) whereas those who haven't been vaccinated are more likely to be healthy but got a bit unlucky when they caught covid... Keep telling yourself wahtever calms your fear .
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Thanks.......so please show where the U.K Gov figures that I posted are not logical??"The group you call the “they were gonna die anyway” (or something like that) dried up ages ago… the vaccinated death toll is what it is. One example that’s obvious by how long this shit has been going on. Do you think half dead people grow on trees? | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%." This is meaningless without referring to the total number of vaccinated and unvaccinated. | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. Aren't the vaccinated a larger group now though? Which would be the reason why they are more represented in deaths rather than it being an issue with the vaccine?
Significantly larger.
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. This is meaningless without referring to the total number of vaccinated and unvaccinated." Yeah trust the U.K Gov to publish meaningless figures eh | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. This is meaningless without referring to the total number of vaccinated and unvaccinated. Yeah trust the U.K Gov to publish meaningless figures eh "The figures are fine, it’s how they have been interpreted on this occasion that is meaningless. | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. This is meaningless without referring to the total number of vaccinated and unvaccinated. Yeah trust the U.K Gov to publish meaningless figures eh "UK population 66 million Vaccinated 48 million Unvaccinated 18 million | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. This is meaningless without referring to the total number of vaccinated and unvaccinated. Yeah trust the U.K Gov to publish meaningless figures eh "More like the fab certified statistician misinterpretation | |||
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"Please point me in the direction of my “misinformation” what have I said that isn’t true or factual ? You've forgotten your sensational 20:1 bowl of Skittles analogy? Which you only clarified after being challenged by another poster." A. It was a metaphor about taking a risk, where did I say that is the numbers for deaths/vaccine ratio ? I didn’t, B. I wasn’t challenged at all, if you go back and have a look, someone said If the numbers really were 1 in 20 they wouldn’t want the vaccine, did I not respond and say 1 in 200k is the stat but don’t quote me on it, What you have done is skimmed through and not actually read anything properly | |||
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"Comes down to personal choice.why come on here arguing about it? Have the jab or don't but don't try to influence or criticise others for their choices. "Damn those who contribute to threads denouncing others who contribute to threads! | |||
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"Please point me in the direction of my “misinformation” what have I said that isn’t true or factual ? You've forgotten your sensational 20:1 bowl of Skittles analogy? Which you only clarified after being challenged by another poster. A. It was a metaphor about taking a risk, where did I say that is the numbers for deaths/vaccine ratio ? I didn’t, B. I wasn’t challenged at all, if you go back and have a look, someone said If the numbers really were 1 in 20 they wouldn’t want the vaccine, did I not respond and say 1 in 200k is the stat but don’t quote me on it, What you have done is skimmed through and not actually read anything properly " Oh, I haven't actually skimmed through anything, I was reading the posts from the beginning as they were coming in..another crass assumption you've made there! You used an analogy and numbers which grossly under played the actual situation..if you'd said a bowl of 200,000, or even 10000 Skittles then a casual reader might have thought the risk was one which was overwhelmingly worth taking, but 1 in 20? If we're talking about risk then at least let's do it proportionally. | |||
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"Please point me in the direction of my “misinformation” what have I said that isn’t true or factual ? You've forgotten your sensational 20:1 bowl of Skittles analogy? Which you only clarified after being challenged by another poster. A. It was a metaphor about taking a risk, where did I say that is the numbers for deaths/vaccine ratio ? I didn’t, B. I wasn’t challenged at all, if you go back and have a look, someone said If the numbers really were 1 in 20 they wouldn’t want the vaccine, did I not respond and say 1 in 200k is the stat but don’t quote me on it, What you have done is skimmed through and not actually read anything properly Oh, I haven't actually skimmed through anything, I was reading the posts from the beginning as they were coming in..another crass assumption you've made there! You used an analogy and numbers which grossly under played the actual situation..if you'd said a bowl of 200,000, or even 10000 Skittles then a casual reader might have thought the risk was one which was overwhelmingly worth taking, but 1 in 20? If we're talking about risk then at least let's do it proportionally." I used 20 for the sole reason no one would look at it as the actual stat it’s was a metaphor, That would see the stat literally 2 posts down…. Considering over 48 million have been double jabbed based on 1-20 that would mean over 2.4 million would have died from having the jab, it’s common sense and basic maths, considering 133k have died in the Uk since the first outbreak. I think everyone would be smart enough to know 1-20 isn’t the stat, Jesus Christ | |||
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"Please point me in the direction of my “misinformation” what have I said that isn’t true or factual ? You've forgotten your sensational 20:1 bowl of Skittles analogy? Which you only clarified after being challenged by another poster. A. It was a metaphor about taking a risk, where did I say that is the numbers for deaths/vaccine ratio ? I didn’t, B. I wasn’t challenged at all, if you go back and have a look, someone said If the numbers really were 1 in 20 they wouldn’t want the vaccine, did I not respond and say 1 in 200k is the stat but don’t quote me on it, What you have done is skimmed through and not actually read anything properly Oh, I haven't actually skimmed through anything, I was reading the posts from the beginning as they were coming in..another crass assumption you've made there! You used an analogy and numbers which grossly under played the actual situation..if you'd said a bowl of 200,000, or even 10000 Skittles then a casual reader might have thought the risk was one which was overwhelmingly worth taking, but 1 in 20? If we're talking about risk then at least let's do it proportionally. I used 20 for the sole reason no one would look at it as the actual stat it’s was a metaphor, That would see the stat literally 2 posts down…. Considering over 48 million have been double jabbed based on 1-20 that would mean over 2.4 million would have died from having the jab, it’s common sense and basic maths, considering 133k have died in the Uk since the first outbreak. I think everyone would be smart enough to know 1-20 isn’t the stat, Jesus Christ " So let me get this right, if I get the jab there is a 1 in 20 chance I would win a bag of skittles.
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"Please point me in the direction of my “misinformation” what have I said that isn’t true or factual ? You've forgotten your sensational 20:1 bowl of Skittles analogy? Which you only clarified after being challenged by another poster. A. It was a metaphor about taking a risk, where did I say that is the numbers for deaths/vaccine ratio ? I didn’t, B. I wasn’t challenged at all, if you go back and have a look, someone said If the numbers really were 1 in 20 they wouldn’t want the vaccine, did I not respond and say 1 in 200k is the stat but don’t quote me on it, What you have done is skimmed through and not actually read anything properly Oh, I haven't actually skimmed through anything, I was reading the posts from the beginning as they were coming in..another crass assumption you've made there! You used an analogy and numbers which grossly under played the actual situation..if you'd said a bowl of 200,000, or even 10000 Skittles then a casual reader might have thought the risk was one which was overwhelmingly worth taking, but 1 in 20? If we're talking about risk then at least let's do it proportionally. I used 20 for the sole reason no one would look at it as the actual stat it’s was a metaphor, That would see the stat literally 2 posts down…. Considering over 48 million have been double jabbed based on 1-20 that would mean over 2.4 million would have died from having the jab, it’s common sense and basic maths, considering 133k have died in the Uk since the first outbreak. I think everyone would be smart enough to know 1-20 isn’t the stat, Jesus Christ So let me get this right, if I get the jab there is a 1 in 20 chance I would win a bag of skittles.
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"How many people have friends or work colleagues that had a double jab and have died I currently know of 3 friends and one other that have died of COVID I. Th lady 2 months after being double jabbed. With a further 3 hospitalized. (Midlands Based) I know off at least 100 people who have been double jabbed and haven’t died of COVID " I know 100 that haven’t had any jabs and not died. Your point is? | |||
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"Each to there own and all but I don't belive in covid etc. Just think. The same person who believes the earth is overpopulated, wants to save your life with a vaccine?? Are you a flat earther? defo not. Just not nieve to the bullshit fed to me. Like I said each to there own everyone has an opinion.
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"I don't know of anybody that died from covid Not one person. I have attended funerals,of folk who died during these restrictions,but none died of covid,not one. During the last 18 months I don't know of anybody who's died from Multiple Sclerosis, but I don't doubt it's existence. I'm not doubting the existence of covid,I have had friends and family members diagnosed positive with covid. All mild I will add. I know of one person,who had it bad,weeks in intensive care,that person did have underlying health problems,and as bad as he was with covid he survived. What I said was,I don't personally know of one single person that died from covid or covid related complications Thanks but I'm not sure of your point." My point was,I was answering the ops question "How many people have friends or work colleagues that had a double jab and have died"? | |||
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" A. It was a metaphor about taking a risk, where did I say that is the numbers for deaths/vaccine ratio ? I didn’t, B. I wasn’t challenged at all, if you go back and have a look, someone said If the numbers really were 1 in 20 they wouldn’t want the vaccine, did I not respond and say 1 in 200k is the stat but don’t quote me on it, What you have done is skimmed through and not actually read anything properly " It doesn’t take much effort to research the fact that the actual number of deaths related to the AZ vaccine stands at 51 from 261 serious cases where complications and blood clots have occurred. So, let’s just put that into context: there’s a 1 in 470,000 chance.... in short, that’s one hell of a bowl of skittles.
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"I've just heard the sad news that one of my relatives past away yesterday with covid 19. She washealthy with no known underlying health conditions and only 51 years old. Her and her husband both went to hospital with covid two weeks ago, he is recovering. They were both double jabbed. My first reaction is could it be because of affects from the jabs. " Why? | |||
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"I've just heard the sad news that one of my relatives past away yesterday with covid 19. She washealthy with no known underlying health conditions and only 51 years old. Her and her husband both went to hospital with covid two weeks ago, he is recovering. They were both double jabbed. My first reaction is could it be because of affects from the jabs. " Sorry for your loss. Xx | |||
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"I've just heard the sad news that one of my relatives past away yesterday with covid 19. She washealthy with no known underlying health conditions and only 51 years old. Her and her husband both went to hospital with covid two weeks ago, he is recovering. They were both double jabbed. My first reaction is could it be because of affects from the jabs. " Sorry for your loss, very sad indeed. More and more incidents are coming to the fore with increasing regularity. | |||
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"I've just heard the sad news that one of my relatives past away yesterday with covid 19. She washealthy with no known underlying health conditions and only 51 years old. Her and her husband both went to hospital with covid two weeks ago, he is recovering. They were both double jabbed. My first reaction is could it be because of affects from the jabs. " Firstly this is very sad news and my condolences to you and your friends family. Also, I can completely understand why you might initially think that but its certainly because of the uninformed FUD spread on forums such as this. I find here that there is excellent debate to counter the anti-vax narratives but every time a statistic or anecdote is thrown out by contributors that don't really understand them it just sows the germ of a seed of doubt. The reality is the scientific evidence right now is that unless the onset of illness is within a very short time frame of the actual vaccination then the jab itself is not likely to be the cause. Also we have to remember there are 3 types of vaccines being given in the UK now and we are into double digits worldwide. Therefore as more data is collated then informed scientific opinion may move. This not a failing, rather is a textbook demonstration of how the scientific method works (as taught at KS3) and has worked since the enlightenment. I would not let this anecdotal evidence stop me getting, for example a booster (I am double jabbed) but I would naturally have it in mind when I go, so I utterly understand where you are coming from/ Peace | |||
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"URGENT UK Government Covid Technical Briefing 21, pages 22/23, in the table titled 'Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 15 August 2021)'. Total unvaccinated cases: 183,133. Total unvaccinated deaths: 390. Total vaccinated cases (all three dosage status): 163,329. Total vaccinated deaths: 783. If you work out the total number of deaths as a percentage of total cases in each group, then the unvaccinated fatality rate is 0.212%. The vaccinated fatality rate is 0.479%. This is meaningless without referring to the total number of vaccinated and unvaccinated. Yeah trust the U.K Gov to publish meaningless figures eh
UK population 66 million
Vaccinated 48 million
Unvaccinated 18 million "Meaningless stat - no information on co-morbidities or age at death. The likelihood is that the jabbed deaths are biased towards the older age groups with other existing conditions - ergo you would expect more deaths in that cohort but hey to be fair - I'm a physicist not an epidemiologist so I would ask someone who is for an interpretation...hint hint | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? " 1 in 20! It's currently thought be around 1 in 500,000. Name me one medication that nobody has had a serious reaction to or died. | |||
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"Tell you what, don't get the jab if you don't want it but that's on the proviso that if you do get Covid, you can't go to hospital and use up NHS resources and further put a strain on overworked nurses and doctors Deal?" Deal........as long as in your fairytale you include the Obese------Smokers----Alcohol Users......etc etc | |||
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"12 years ago the pharmaceutical companies backed up by the likes of Neil Ferguson wanted to inject the whole country with swine flu vaccine. If they had gone ahead with that then by now many of you would have spent many years suffering from lifelong extremely serious debilitating medical conditions. The UK bought 90 million doses and had to ask for a refund on 60 million of them because they turned out to be so dangerous and the threat grossly exaggerated. Sound familiar? "source for the refund to be because of side effects. Rather than simply not being needed. | |||
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"Tell you what, don't get the jab if you don't want it but that's on the proviso that if you do get Covid, you can't go to hospital and use up NHS resources and further put a strain on overworked nurses and doctors Deal? Deal........as long as in your fairytale you include the Obese------Smokers----Alcohol Users......etc etc" There is a huge difference though because people who are obese smokers, drink alcohol know the risks however a lot of the people that don't want the vaccine don't believe they are at any risk. Plus as far as I am aware there is no vaccine available to limited the risk of people getting sick of complications from obesity smoking or alcohol issues so its not even comparable. | |||
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"12 years ago the pharmaceutical companies backed up by the likes of Neil Ferguson wanted to inject the whole country with swine flu vaccine. If they had gone ahead with that then by now many of you would have spent many years suffering from lifelong extremely serious debilitating medical conditions. The UK bought 90 million doses and had to ask for a refund on 60 million of them because they turned out to be so dangerous and the threat grossly exaggerated. Sound familiar? source for the refund to be because of side effects. Rather than simply not being needed. "Exactly what I said...........and they were not needed anyway | |||
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"Tell you what, don't get the jab if you don't want it but that's on the proviso that if you do get Covid, you can't go to hospital and use up NHS resources and further put a strain on overworked nurses and doctors Deal? Deal........as long as in your fairytale you include the Obese------Smokers----Alcohol Users......etc etc There is a huge difference though because people who are obese smokers, drink alcohol know the risks however a lot of the people that don't want the vaccine don't believe they are at any risk. Plus as far as I am aware there is no vaccine available to limited the risk of people getting sick of complications from obesity smoking or alcohol issues so its not even comparable. " Nonsense and you know it | |||
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"Tell you what, don't get the jab if you don't want it but that's on the proviso that if you do get Covid, you can't go to hospital and use up NHS resources and further put a strain on overworked nurses and doctors Deal? Deal........as long as in your fairytale you include the Obese------Smokers----Alcohol Users......etc etc There is a huge difference though because people who are obese smokers, drink alcohol know the risks however a lot of the people that don't want the vaccine don't believe they are at any risk. Plus as far as I am aware there is no vaccine available to limited the risk of people getting sick of complications from obesity smoking or alcohol issues so its not even comparable. Nonsense and you know it "All sorry so you can nayme the vaccination and is available to produce your risk of complications from obesity, smoking and alcohol issues? It's not rubbish and you know it. | |||
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"How many people have been double jabbed and been hit by a bus? These are important questions that need answers "I had my two jabs in February and April. Pfizer a month later I got Covid. It was terrible. Big blood clots in both arms and both legs. Then in my brain. The surgeons amputated both arms, both legs, and my head, at the neck. My doctor tells I'm very lucky that I was vaccinated, otherwise it could have been much much worse! | |||
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"Tell you what, don't get the jab if you don't want it but that's on the proviso that if you do get Covid, you can't go to hospital and use up NHS resources and further put a strain on overworked nurses and doctors Deal? Deal........as long as in your fairytale you include the Obese------Smokers----Alcohol Users......etc etc There is a huge difference though because people who are obese smokers, drink alcohol know the risks however a lot of the people that don't want the vaccine don't believe they are at any risk. Plus as far as I am aware there is no vaccine available to limited the risk of people getting sick of complications from obesity smoking or alcohol issues so its not even comparable. Nonsense and you know it
All sorry so you can nayme the vaccination and is available to produce your risk of complications from obesity, smoking and alcohol issues?
It's not rubbish and you know it.
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"Tell you what, don't get the jab if you don't want it but that's on the proviso that if you do get Covid, you can't go to hospital and use up NHS resources and further put a strain on overworked nurses and doctors Deal? Deal........as long as in your fairytale you include the Obese------Smokers----Alcohol Users......etc etc There is a huge difference though because people who are obese smokers, drink alcohol know the risks however a lot of the people that don't want the vaccine don't believe they are at any risk. Plus as far as I am aware there is no vaccine available to limited the risk of people getting sick of complications from obesity smoking or alcohol issues so its not even comparable. Nonsense and you know it
All sorry so you can nayme the vaccination and is available to produce your risk of complications from obesity, smoking and alcohol issues?
It's not rubbish and you know it.
Exactly.......NO Vaccine Needed...its called personal responsibility "You are very aware there are complex issues involved in the 3 things you have mentioned however you are choosing to be flippant about it. It is also personal responsibility to take a vaccine that could save your life and not land you in a hospital bed. Like I said not even comparable. | |||
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"Remember when polio, measles, mumps, smallpox were diseases routinely killing off people? No you don't because you got vaccinated as a kid." | |||
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"12 years ago the pharmaceutical companies backed up by the likes of Neil Ferguson wanted to inject the whole country with swine flu vaccine. If they had gone ahead with that then by now many of you would have spent many years suffering from lifelong extremely serious debilitating medical conditions. The UK bought 90 million doses and had to ask for a refund on 60 million of them because they turned out to be so dangerous and the threat grossly exaggerated. Sound familiar? source for the refund to be because of side effects. Rather than simply not being needed.
Exactly what I said...........and they were not needed anyway"you put on two reasons. One an over reaction. Probably not the case for covid. The second, more relevant to this thread, is the danger. What's the source ? | |||
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"12 years ago the pharmaceutical companies backed up by the likes of Neil Ferguson wanted to inject the whole country with swine flu vaccine. If they had gone ahead with that then by now many of you would have spent many years suffering from lifelong extremely serious debilitating medical conditions. The UK bought 90 million doses and had to ask for a refund on 60 million of them because they turned out to be so dangerous and the threat grossly exaggerated. Sound familiar? "The pandemrix situation is far more complex than the YouTube video you watched suggests. | |||
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"The big question of course is how many people are dying with the vaccine, rather than from it?" Rogue buses outside vaccine clinics | |||
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"Is this crap still doing the rounds.. Grab a calculator and do the stats.. Those stats are someone’s family, I think you would have a different view on it, if say someone in your family in the mid 20s who was perfectly healthy hot double jabbed and then died, (which of course I pray they don’t) but would that just be a stat then ? Of course not, every death, wether it’s due to COVID or the vaccine is a tragedy. The vaccines will cause a tiny fraction of deaths when compared to the number of people it will save from dying from COVID But vaccines shouldn’t be causing deaths, and not as many as the covid vaccines are causing, if it was the odd rare case where someone was allergic to something in the vaccination, becuase that’s been known to happen but very rarely, but when the vaccination is killing people that probably wouldn’t of died from covid, then you have to start questioning it, put it this way if you had a bowl of 20 skittles and 1 of those skittles would kill you, would you take the risk and eat one ? I definitely wouldn’t eat the skittles, is there really a 1 in 20 chance of dying from having the vaccine? 1 in 200k I believe is the stat, don’t quote me on that though Ah ok, 10,000 times more than 1 in 20? That would make a total of 241 deaths from the 48 million who have had the vaccine in the UK? As a direct result of just the double jab yes, but you failing to take into consideration the people who have been fully vaccinated and then contracted covid and still died from it, when you add those numbers into it, once again it becomes a scary number, and that’s the point I’m trying to say, if your young and healthy is the risk of getting the jab really worth it, when your immune system would more then likely be able to fight off covid I see, do you have those numbers? As it stands, according to your stats 241 people have died from the vaccines, tragic . 133,000 people have died from COVID, using basic maths and assuming that 48 million people have had COVID you are 500 times more likely to die of COVID that the vaccines. How many of those people out of the 133k were fully vaccinated ? Your not honestly going to sit there and tell me that not one person who is fully vaccinated hasn’t contracted covid and died, and that’s the point your missing, 1 in 200k will died directly from the jab, but then you also have to tally in the numbers that will die from covid even though they’ve been double jabbed, By all means I’m not saying don’t get the jab, that isn’t my decision to make for anyone, and nor should anyone make that decision for anyone else other then the person that decides weather or not they want the jab, What I was originally saying was, when it comes to the deaths caused by the jab, people shouldn’t be so heartless as to just say “grab a calculator and do the stats” when if someone close to them had died from it, that certainly wouldn’t be there attitude I don’t know the answer, but 133,000 people have died from COVID and according to your stats 241 people have died from the vaccines, both are tragic figures. The UK has nearly 2,000 deaths for the entire population, using the 1 in 200,000 stat the vaccine has 4 deaths per 1 million That should have said 2,000 per million for the entire population " The other issue which we don't know about those who have died with the double jab is how many of those people who died had underlying conditions or were erderly and vulnerable. Chances of them dieing after both jabs are more severe etc. Especially if they had the jabs which are starting to wear off on some of us. | |||
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"Tell you what, don't get the jab if you don't want it but that's on the proviso that if you do get Covid, you can't go to hospital and use up NHS resources and further put a strain on overworked nurses and doctors Deal? Deal........as long as in your fairytale you include the Obese------Smokers----Alcohol Users......etc etc There is a huge difference though because people who are obese smokers, drink alcohol know the risks however a lot of the people that don't want the vaccine don't believe they are at any risk. Plus as far as I am aware there is no vaccine available to limited the risk of people getting sick of complications from obesity smoking or alcohol issues so its not even comparable. Nonsense and you know it
All sorry so you can nayme the vaccination and is available to produce your risk of complications from obesity, smoking and alcohol issues?
It's not rubbish and you know it.
Exactly.......NO Vaccine Needed...its called personal responsibility
You are very aware there are complex issues involved in the 3 things you have mentioned however you are choosing to be flippant about it. It is also personal responsibility to take a vaccine that could save your life and not land you in a hospital bed. Like I said not even comparable. "Indeed, you live your fairytale and I'll stick to reality. | |||
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"12 years ago the pharmaceutical companies backed up by the likes of Neil Ferguson wanted to inject the whole country with swine flu vaccine. If they had gone ahead with that then by now many of you would have spent many years suffering from lifelong extremely serious debilitating medical conditions. The UK bought 90 million doses and had to ask for a refund on 60 million of them because they turned out to be so dangerous and the threat grossly exaggerated. Sound familiar? source for the refund to be because of side effects. Rather than simply not being needed.
Exactly what I said...........and they were not needed anywayyou put on two reasons. One an over reaction. Probably not the case for covid. The second, more relevant to this thread, is the danger. What's the source ?"Source for what? | |||
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"12 years ago the pharmaceutical companies backed up by the likes of Neil Ferguson wanted to inject the whole country with swine flu vaccine. If they had gone ahead with that then by now many of you would have spent many years suffering from lifelong extremely serious debilitating medical conditions. The UK bought 90 million doses and had to ask for a refund on 60 million of them because they turned out to be so dangerous and the threat grossly exaggerated. Sound familiar?
The pandemrix situation is far more complex than the YouTube video you watched suggests."What youtube video have I mentioned anywhere? | |||
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"12 years ago the pharmaceutical companies backed up by the likes of Neil Ferguson wanted to inject the whole country with swine flu vaccine. If they had gone ahead with that then by now many of you would have spent many years suffering from lifelong extremely serious debilitating medical conditions. The UK bought 90 million doses and had to ask for a refund on 60 million of them because they turned out to be so dangerous and the threat grossly exaggerated. Sound familiar?
The pandemrix situation is far more complex than the YouTube video you watched suggests.
What youtube video have I mentioned anywhere?"You have quoted quite a few of the usual tropes but as said the pandemrix event is a lot more complex situation than you seem to be aware of. | |||
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"12 years ago the pharmaceutical companies backed up by the likes of Neil Ferguson wanted to inject the whole country with swine flu vaccine. If they had gone ahead with that then by now many of you would have spent many years suffering from lifelong extremely serious debilitating medical conditions. The UK bought 90 million doses and had to ask for a refund on 60 million of them because they turned out to be so dangerous and the threat grossly exaggerated. Sound familiar?
The pandemrix situation is far more complex than the YouTube video you watched suggests.
What youtube video have I mentioned anywhere?
You have quoted quite a few of the usual tropes but as said the pandemrix event is a lot more complex situation than you seem to be aware of."Point me to anything in my quote which is NOT Factual please | |||
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