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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?"
i dont think there are many that dont think its real,there are many that do think its not as dangerous to the majority of people and there probably right
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over a year ago
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?"
Everyone knows it real, and there aren't any conspiracies just massive distrust in government and medical bodies, which isn't helped by the amount of inconsistent guidance from them all |
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By *d6869Man
over a year ago
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Everyone knows it real, and there aren't any conspiracies just massive distrust in government and medical bodies, which isn't helped by the amount of inconsistent guidance from them all"
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I still hear stories of people in ICU denying Covid as they're dying of it.
There's also this, although whether the author meant the whole thing is a hoax or not, is unclear. https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-residents-fume-after-arthurs-21462299 |
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People may not be promoting what they know to be the truth, if their objectives don't match with it. They may do and say very different things. Some are just addicted to the notoriety and attention, plus possibly the income that comes from telling lies. Some people are easily influenced and taken for a ride. Most of us will have millions of people who are more stupid and ignorant than we are, too.
True believers are probably very thin on the ground and they typically don't stand on the same ground as where the calamitous infections are, such as in India, a couple of months ago. They will be shielding somewhere |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?"
Yes it's a thing, but you can only let people make their own minds up.
+90% go with the science but there will always be those who have to experience it personally. We all learn differently and some people need that real life experience to convince them. |
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By *ob198Xa OP Man
over a year ago
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"I still hear stories of people in ICU denying Covid as they're dying of it.
There's also this, although whether the author meant the whole thing is a hoax or not, is unclear. https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-residents-fume-after-arthurs-21462299"
Just to clarify it is of course real. I just wondered if those who for a long while did believe it was all faked have now finally all grown a brain cell? Will reality eventually dawn on those who still spout other equally spurious conspiracy based nonsense? |
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"I still hear stories of people in ICU denying Covid as they're dying of it.
There's also this, although whether the author meant the whole thing is a hoax or not, is unclear. https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-residents-fume-after-arthurs-21462299
Just to clarify it is of course real. I just wondered if those who for a long while did believe it was all faked have now finally all grown a brain cell? Will reality eventually dawn on those who still spout other equally spurious conspiracy based nonsense?"
No.
For some there is an income to be made out of posting conspiracy stuff.
Whether they actually believe it or not is another matter. |
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"I still hear stories of people in ICU denying Covid as they're dying of it.
There's also this, although whether the author meant the whole thing is a hoax or not, is unclear. https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-residents-fume-after-arthurs-21462299
Just to clarify it is of course real. I just wondered if those who for a long while did believe it was all faked have now finally all grown a brain cell? Will reality eventually dawn on those who still spout other equally spurious conspiracy based nonsense?
No.
For some there is an income to be made out of posting conspiracy stuff.
Whether they actually believe it or not is another matter. "
I read an interesting suggestion - but haven't looked into it myself - that this stuff comes from the same origins as QAnon.
So I think for the true believers - well, look to those who still think Donald Trump is president. *shrug* |
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"I don't think it's real!
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You would probably have said the same if you were around in 1918..Deniers not wearing masks contributed to the spread. Maybe after the event these people changed their minds..if they were still alive of course. |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Everyone knows it real, and there aren't any conspiracies just massive distrust in government and medical bodies, which isn't helped by the amount of inconsistent guidance from them all
In a nutshell "
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?"
Somebody told you it's real so it must be real right ?
Old saying..tell the same lie enough times and people start to believe its the truth.
Repetitive manipulation. Just like education. Learn what you're told, remember it, prove you've remembered it in your exam test, pass your exam..and hey presto..you're smart right ? You've done as you're told.
Don't think for yourself..just do as you're told. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Somebody told you it's real so it must be real right ?
Old saying..tell the same lie enough times and people start to believe its the truth.
Repetitive manipulation. Just like education. Learn what you're told, remember it, prove you've remembered it in your exam test, pass your exam..and hey presto..you're smart right ? You've done as you're told.
Don't think for yourself..just do as you're told. "
I heard if you get hit by a bus you die
Personally I've never seen it so it must be bullshit |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Old saying..tell the same lie enough times and people start to believe its the truth.
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This is a lie  
Out of interest are you saying it's not real and if so what led you to that uninfluenced independent thought? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Old saying..tell the same lie enough times and people start to believe its the truth.
This is a lie
Out of interest are you saying it's not real and if so what led you to that uninfluenced independent thought?"
Erm who are you to question someone with 7 O'Levels and a Degree? Unless you've got A'Levels (including General Studies) then I suggest you
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Everyone knows it real, and there aren't any conspiracies just massive distrust in government and medical bodies, which isn't helped by the amount of inconsistent guidance from them all"
That's the truth. |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Somebody told you it's real so it must be real right ?
Old saying..tell the same lie enough times and people start to believe its the truth.
Repetitive manipulation. Just like education. Learn what you're told, remember it, prove you've remembered it in your exam test, pass your exam..and hey presto..you're smart right ? You've done as you're told.
Don't think for yourself..just do as you're told. "
This is exactly like Trump’s Big Lie. After so many repetitions most of his supporters believe the election has been stolen. |
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"I don't think it's real!
You would probably have said the same if you were around in 1918..Deniers not wearing masks contributed to the spread. Maybe after the event these people changed their minds..if they were still alive of course."
Excellent. If 90% of people are vaccinated a least once.... And yet numbers are still going up at a rate of knots... 264k infections last week alone... It is reasonable to assume that it's being spread more by those who are vaccinated as they represent 90 per cent of the population.
That would be an easy enough bit of data to establish and report. But it's not. That makes me curious. |
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"Old saying..tell the same lie enough times and people start to believe its the truth.
This is a lie
Out of interest are you saying it's not real and if so what led you to that uninfluenced independent thought?
Erm who are you to question someone with 7 O'Levels and a Degree? Unless you've got A'Levels (including General Studies) then I suggest you
pipe down at the back! "
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?"
My mother is absolutely convinced it's not real and it's all a conspiracy. She's heavily into QAnon and all the other nonsense. Her husband and father both died of Covid in January this year, but she still denies. |
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A good friend of mine is adamant its not real its all a theory and just a bad bout of flu despite her daughter having it. She refuses to get the jabs , we'd had many disagreements on it all but wont change her mind on things |
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Less than 20 months ago no-one had even heard of Covid. Maybe a few Chinese subjects had contracted it but for the rest of the world we were blissfully unaware. Then begining of March the shit hit the fan.
I have nothing but total admiration for all of the scientists who have in a tiny amount of time produced vaccines which appear to protect the vast majority.
It aint 100% perfect but for most of us its working. I'm happy to keep my fingers crossed and hope I'm part of the 99.5% who are protected.
I think on balance I prefer to go along with science rather than what a mate at work was told by a bloke in the pub who had heard about it from a chap who may have read something about a "having a day out" demonstration in London or somewhere.
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
My mother is absolutely convinced it's not real and it's all a conspiracy. She's heavily into QAnon and all the other nonsense. Her husband and father both died of Covid in January this year, but she still denies. "
That's very sad, I guess sometimes denying the truth can make life more bearable. |
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Seeking alternative answers to questions is not a sign of wisdom or intelligence unless it is used appropriately.
1+1 will always equal 2. Looking for an alternative answer would not really indicate any kind of wisdom, in fact quite the opposite.
Now if you are looking to study diseases and are working on an alternative and more effective or safer vaccine then more power to your elbow.
If you are just saying I don't like what is currently on offer then that is not really finding and alternative answer. |
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"I don't think it's real!
You would probably have said the same if you were around in 1918..Deniers not wearing masks contributed to the spread. Maybe after the event these people changed their minds..if they were still alive of course.
Excellent. If 90% of people are vaccinated a least once.... And yet numbers are still going up at a rate of knots... 264k infections last week alone... It is reasonable to assume that it's being spread more by those who are vaccinated as they represent 90 per cent of the population.
That would be an easy enough bit of data to establish and report. But it's not. That makes me curious. "
65% of the uk population is fully vaccinated 28% have no vaccine protection at all. From yesterday's figures a 3rd of the infections were from people 29 who are most of the unvaccinated and under and they make up less than 25% the population. Covid generally affects the old more than the young. If there were no vaccine then you would expect 0 to 29 year old to have maybe 10% of the cases. Which is what we saw in the first waves pre vaccine. |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
My mother is absolutely convinced it's not real and it's all a conspiracy. She's heavily into QAnon and all the other nonsense. Her husband and father both died of Covid in January this year, but she still denies.
That's very sad, I guess sometimes denying the truth can make life more bearable."
Denying the truth also causes people to ignore the rules and regulations; to continue to behave as if nothing has happened and then pass on the "imaginary" virus to their elderly parent. Even when that parent dies, obviously you continue to deny.... Yes, it leaves a very sour taste. |
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"I don't think it's real!
You would probably have said the same if you were around in 1918..Deniers not wearing masks contributed to the spread. Maybe after the event these people changed their minds..if they were still alive of course.
Excellent. If 90% of people are vaccinated a least once.... And yet numbers are still going up at a rate of knots... 264k infections last week alone... It is reasonable to assume that it's being spread more by those who are vaccinated as they represent 90 per cent of the population.
That would be an easy enough bit of data to establish and report. But it's not. That makes me curious.
65% of the uk population is fully vaccinated 28% have no vaccine protection at all. From yesterday's figures a 3rd of the infections were from people 29 who are most of the unvaccinated and under and they make up less than 25% the population. Covid generally affects the old more than the young. If there were no vaccine then you would expect 0 to 29 year old to have maybe 10% of the cases. Which is what we saw in the first waves pre vaccine."
So using your numbers. If 1/3 are mostly unvaccinated. Then 2/3rd of new infections were people who were vaccinated is that correct.?
Out of interest do you think you could share where you find the breakdown of infections by age group and vax status please? |
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We believe it's real, both had the vaccine etc the thing what we have trouble with is the unknown quantity of how ill it may make you, if at all. If you knew that catching it you'd only be a 3 out of 10 you might accept it a bit more than if you knew if was a 9 out 10. Also how easily we may still pass it on to loved ones.
Having read above though and assuming you are all a representative sample of the site, it's amazing how many don't believe it's a thing or think we're odd for not wanting to get out there and meet or go to clubs yet. Because in their eyes now we're all double vaccinated it won't affect us or think none of it is real.
Both aching to get out there and play but moral responsibilities get the better of us. |
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"We believe it's real, both had the vaccine etc the thing what we have trouble with is the unknown quantity of how ill it may make you, if at all. If you knew that catching it you'd only be a 3 out of 10 you might accept it a bit more than if you knew if was a 9 out 10. Also how easily we may still pass it on to loved ones.
Having read above though and assuming you are all a representative sample of the site, it's amazing how many don't believe it's a thing or think we're odd for not wanting to get out there and meet or go to clubs yet. Because in their eyes now we're all double vaccinated it won't affect us or think none of it is real.
Both aching to get out there and play but moral responsibilities get the better of us."
You've got it in one... For whatever reason (and I largely blame javed, but many others saying... "you're double jabbed, therefore youre invincible") is exactly the problem. The fact govt policy seems to be... Youre better being double (possibly triple jabbed in a few months) jabbed than not actually being infected at all...we can see with our own eyes that the jabs don't make us invincible. Thankfully the vast majority of infected now are either asymptomatic or make a speedy recovery but still 800 a week are dying with it and 260k a week are catching it. Wanting it to go away doesn't make it happen.
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"I've had covid, if my mother got it she wouldn't survive
I think everyone knows it obviously exists it's just hard to understand if you haven't had it bad or if at all "
Nope, see above. My mother's husband and father (my Grandad) died of Covid in January, but she still denies. QAnon is a powerful cult. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
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Out of interest do you think you could share where you find the breakdown of infections by age group and vax status please?"
Just Google it it's all on the internet.
My mates brother said his uncle jimmy saw it in Facebook |
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Think most of us agree there is a disease out there that attacks the respiratory system.
Are you happy to call it Covid, I honestly don't care.
Is it more serious than the annual flu, most likely.
Without some form of restriction and lockdown would numbers be higher, yes, I would imagine so.
Would the numbers of deaths be higher without the Covid vaccine, absolutely.
Would the number of deaths be higher if we had used the annual flu vaccine as the Covid vaccine, yes.
Without any form of intervention I believe we would most probably not need elderly nursing homes for some years as there would be no punters for them.
Can I be certain what I say is fact, no. |
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"Think most of us agree there is a disease out there that attacks the respiratory system.
Are you happy to call it Covid, I honestly don't care.
Is it more serious than the annual flu, most likely.
Without some form of restriction and lockdown would numbers be higher, yes, I would imagine so.
Would the numbers of deaths be higher without the Covid vaccine, absolutely.
Would the number of deaths be higher if we had used the annual flu vaccine as the Covid vaccine, yes.
Without any form of intervention I believe we would most probably not need elderly nursing homes for some years as there would be no punters for them.
Can I be certain what I say is fact, no."
No but I reckon quite a few of them you would be pretty much statistically certain |
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"I don't think it's real!
You would probably have said the same if you were around in 1918..Deniers not wearing masks contributed to the spread. Maybe after the event these people changed their minds..if they were still alive of course.
Excellent. If 90% of people are vaccinated a least once.... And yet numbers are still going up at a rate of knots... 264k infections last week alone... It is reasonable to assume that it's being spread more by those who are vaccinated as they represent 90 per cent of the population.
That would be an easy enough bit of data to establish and report. But it's not. That makes me curious.
65% of the uk population is fully vaccinated 28% have no vaccine protection at all. From yesterday's figures a 3rd of the infections were from people 29 who are most of the unvaccinated and under and they make up less than 25% the population. Covid generally affects the old more than the young. If there were no vaccine then you would expect 0 to 29 year old to have maybe 10% of the cases. Which is what we saw in the first waves pre vaccine.
So using your numbers. If 1/3 are mostly unvaccinated. Then 2/3rd of new infections were people who were vaccinated is that correct.?
Out of interest do you think you could share where you find the breakdown of infections by age group and vax status please?"
I generally use the traveling tabby site it collates the official data in to nice easy graphs for idiots like me. |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?i dont think there are many that dont think its real,there are many that do think its not as dangerous to the majority of people and there probably right"
This . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Somebody told you it's real so it must be real right ?
Old saying..tell the same lie enough times and people start to believe its the truth.
Repetitive manipulation. Just like education. Learn what you're told, remember it, prove you've remembered it in your exam test, pass your exam..and hey presto..you're smart right ? You've done as you're told.
Don't think for yourself..just do as you're told. "
So many idiots here |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Old saying..tell the same lie enough times and people start to believe its the truth.
This is a lie
Out of interest are you saying it's not real and if so what led you to that uninfluenced independent thought?
Erm who are you to question someone with 7 O'Levels and a Degree? Unless you've got A'Levels (including General Studies) then I suggest you
pipe down at the back! "
Obviously education cannot help a lack of common sense |
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"I don't think it's real!
You would probably have said the same if you were around in 1918..Deniers not wearing masks contributed to the spread. Maybe after the event these people changed their minds..if they were still alive of course.
Excellent. If 90% of people are vaccinated a least once.... And yet numbers are still going up at a rate of knots... 264k infections last week alone... It is reasonable to assume that it's being spread more by those who are vaccinated as they represent 90 per cent of the population.
That would be an easy enough bit of data to establish and report. But it's not. That makes me curious.
65% of the uk population is fully vaccinated 28% have no vaccine protection at all. From yesterday's figures a 3rd of the infections were from people 29 who are most of the unvaccinated and under and they make up less than 25% the population. Covid generally affects the old more than the young. If there were no vaccine then you would expect 0 to 29 year old to have maybe 10% of the cases. Which is what we saw in the first waves pre vaccine.
So using your numbers. If 1/3 are mostly unvaccinated. Then 2/3rd of new infections were people who were vaccinated is that correct.?
Out of interest do you think you could share where you find the breakdown of infections by age group and vax status please?
I generally use the traveling tabby site it collates the official data in to nice easy graphs for idiots like me."
Just want to say... Folks go look at the travelling tabby site... Its a step forward... I'd never heard of it before but there's a lot of interesting content there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't deny its existence, I just think the response to it has been massively disproportionate to the risk and that it's been used to accelerate other agendas.
Remember when it first emerged, Johnson and Whitty etc were on TV reassuring us that it's a mild illness for the vast majority of people (which it is). Then they decided to terrify the nation into doing whatever they tell them. |
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"I don't deny its existence, I just think the response to it has been massively disproportionate to the risk and that it's been used to accelerate other agendas.
Remember when it first emerged, Johnson and Whitty etc were on TV reassuring us that it's a mild illness for the vast majority of people (which it is). Then they decided to terrify the nation into doing whatever they tell them."
What do you think their agenda is by terrifying the nation.? |
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"I don't deny its existence, I just think the response to it has been massively disproportionate to the risk and that it's been used to accelerate other agendas.
Remember when it first emerged, Johnson and Whitty etc were on TV reassuring us that it's a mild illness for the vast majority of people (which it is). Then they decided to terrify the nation into doing whatever they tell them."
I have to disagree. The response has kept hospital numbers manageable. You're also confusing the positions of the government too. They reassured that the vast majority of us would be fine but also made sure we weren't complacent. When I say 'they' I mean Whitty - not BoJo...I wouldn't believe him.
People talk about the impact on mental health due to lockdown but forget about the mental health of the doctors and nurses who have been overwhelmed with the tragedies that they have witnessed. Without the lockdowns they would have been under so much more pressure, witnessed so much more and had to make much more painful decisions.
Whatever decisions the government made there would have been significant negative impact on one group or the other. Personally, I'd rather spend time in lockdown if it meant that those keyworkers had a slightly easier ride. Would you feel comfortable sipping a pint in your local knowing that hospitals were overwhelmed with young and old struggling to breathe and potentially dying because of the sheer number of people needing treatment?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Do I believe in covid - Yes
Do I believe the numbers and severity have been fudged for financial gain, absolutely.
The bonkers rules and response are just too far fetched not to question it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do I believe in covid - Yes
Do I believe the numbers and severity have been fudged for financial gain, absolutely.
The bonkers rules and response are just too far fetched not to question it.
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Which people fudged the numbers and severity for financial gain?
A mask making factory in Wuhan? Loo roll factories?... |
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By *ob198Xa OP Man
over a year ago
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"I don't deny its existence, I just think the response to it has been massively disproportionate to the risk and that it's been used to accelerate other agendas.
Remember when it first emerged, Johnson and Whitty etc were on TV reassuring us that it's a mild illness for the vast majority of people (which it is). Then they decided to terrify the nation into doing whatever they tell them."
Anyone who thinks the first or second lockdowns were a disproportionate response can’t grasp the concept of exponential growth... |
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"I don't deny its existence, I just think the response to it has been massively disproportionate to the risk and that it's been used to accelerate other agendas.
Remember when it first emerged, Johnson and Whitty etc were on TV reassuring us that it's a mild illness for the vast majority of people (which it is). Then they decided to terrify the nation into doing whatever they tell them.
Anyone who thinks the first or second lockdowns were a disproportionate response can’t grasp the concept of exponential growth..."
Absolutely!
Flu has an r0 of 1.28 on average. A bad flu season r0 probably higher.
If each generation of a virus is 1 week (I.e. Person A catches it, and develops symptoms and passes on to person B), with an r0 of 1.28, after 10 weeks, 420 people will have flu from Person A.
If Person A had alpha variant (r0 =3), after 10 weeks, 295,240 would have caught it.
For delta (r0 =6),after 10 weeks, 120,932,350 will have caught it.
Assuming flu and covid have same death rates, (let use that silly 99.8% survival figure) that's 0.85 flu deaths, 590.48 alpha deaths and 241,864.7 delta deaths.
Its just a flu right?!
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"I've never heard anyone 'deny' covid
What on earth does that smeary expression even mean?
There are plenty of people who think it is being handled badly and that the propaganda is out of hand"
How about the ones that say "covid the has never been isolated in a lab"... Aren't they therefore covid deniers? |
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It’s definitely real
I had it last year right at the very start - floored me for 8 weeks, I’ve been jabbed, and now have the bastard thing again (and feel like shit too).
No idea who/where I’ve caught it from, I’ve not been around anyone who is ill or has turned ill in the last 4 days.
Best thing deniers can do is get a dose themselves - then they’ll know. |
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I dont think my ex denies its existence - but he sure as hell doesn't give enough of a shxt about it to tell me when one of them tested positive and still wanted to see Small for a full weekend (in a home with one currently positive case and 4 others living there fulltime) |
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"I've never heard anyone 'deny' covid
What on earth does that smeary expression even mean?
There are plenty of people who think it is being handled badly and that the propaganda is out of hand
How about the ones that say "covid the has never been isolated in a lab"... Aren't they therefore covid deniers? "
They are typically insinuating that it doesn't exist.so should qualify . That they typically pick up their well worn tropes and thus you keep seeing them repeated everywhere from social media outwards, is a big giveaway of their 'research' skills.  |
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"I've never heard anyone 'deny' covid
What on earth does that smeary expression even mean?
There are plenty of people who think it is being handled badly and that the propaganda is out of hand
How about the ones that say "covid the has never been isolated in a lab"... Aren't they therefore covid deniers?
They are typically insinuating that it doesn't exist.so should qualify . That they typically pick up their well worn tropes and thus you keep seeing them repeated everywhere from social media outwards, is a big giveaway of their 'research' skills. "
They contradict themselves though. They will say it hasn't been isolated and then proceed along the "99.8%" line... |
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
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"I've never heard anyone 'deny' covid
What on earth does that smeary expression even mean?
There are plenty of people who think it is being handled badly and that the propaganda is out of hand
How about the ones that say "covid the has never been isolated in a lab"... Aren't they therefore covid deniers?
They are typically insinuating that it doesn't exist.so should qualify . That they typically pick up their well worn tropes and thus you keep seeing them repeated everywhere from social media outwards, is a big giveaway of their 'research' skills. "
Could it be your research skills that are faulty? |
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World population 14th century 380 million ! ...21 century around 8 billion !!! Do you really think the governments "elite's" have your best interests at heart. |
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"World population 14th century 380 million ! ...21 century around 8 billion !!! Do you really think the governments "elite's" have your best interests at heart."
I don't know what the "elites" have got to do with that?
But some people might suggest there's an over population problem. And some might be skeptical of a virus starting in a place with a lab researching viruses within a country that had a one child policy 
But erm obviously we know it came from a seafood market and we can trust the very thorough investigations into that... |
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"World population 14th century 380 million ! ...21 century around 8 billion !!! Do you really think the governments "elite's" have your best interests at heart.
I don't know what the "elites" have got to do with that?
But some people might suggest there's an over population problem. And some might be skeptical of a virus starting in a place with a lab researching viruses within a country that had a one child policy
But erm obviously we know it came from a seafood market and we can trust the very thorough investigations into that..."
How does China benefit from creating a virus that affects 6.9bn people in other countries yet seems to have barely impacted their own country ? There has been more cases in the UK in last 3 days than in China during the whold pandemic. Whilst you may argue that China aren't reporting accurately, the chinese people do tend to do what they are told and therefore are compliant with rules.
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"World population 14th century 380 million ! ...21 century around 8 billion !!! Do you really think the governments "elite's" have your best interests at heart.
I don't know what the "elites" have got to do with that?
But some people might suggest there's an over population problem. And some might be skeptical of a virus starting in a place with a lab researching viruses within a country that had a one child policy
But erm obviously we know it came from a seafood market and we can trust the very thorough investigations into that...
How does China benefit from creating a virus that affects 6.9bn people in other countries yet seems to have barely impacted their own country ? There has been more cases in the UK in last 3 days than in China during the whold pandemic. Whilst you may argue that China aren't reporting accurately, the chinese people do tend to do what they are told and therefore are compliant with rules.
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Possibly I needed to be more explicit with the irony. |
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"World population 14th century 380 million ! ...21 century around 8 billion !!! Do you really think the governments "elite's" have your best interests at heart.
I don't know what the "elites" have got to do with that?
But some people might suggest there's an over population problem. And some might be skeptical of a virus starting in a place with a lab researching viruses within a country that had a one child policy
But erm obviously we know it came from a seafood market and we can trust the very thorough investigations into that...
How does China benefit from creating a virus that affects 6.9bn people in other countries yet seems to have barely impacted their own country ? There has been more cases in the UK in last 3 days than in China during the whold pandemic. Whilst you may argue that China aren't reporting accurately, the chinese people do tend to do what they are told and therefore are compliant with rules.
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My Chinese students have told me that case numbers reported externally by China are definitely not accurate. |
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"World population 14th century 380 million ! ...21 century around 8 billion !!! Do you really think the governments "elite's" have your best interests at heart.
I don't know what the "elites" have got to do with that?
But some people might suggest there's an over population problem. And some might be skeptical of a virus starting in a place with a lab researching viruses within a country that had a one child policy
But erm obviously we know it came from a seafood market and we can trust the very thorough investigations into that...
How does China benefit from creating a virus that affects 6.9bn people in other countries yet seems to have barely impacted their own country ? There has been more cases in the UK in last 3 days than in China during the whold pandemic. Whilst you may argue that China aren't reporting accurately, the chinese people do tend to do what they are told and therefore are compliant with rules.
Possibly I needed to be more explicit with the irony."
Maybe you need to explain the irony? Is there a problem with under population?! |
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"World population 14th century 380 million ! ...21 century around 8 billion !!! Do you really think the governments "elite's" have your best interests at heart.
I don't know what the "elites" have got to do with that?
But some people might suggest there's an over population problem. And some might be skeptical of a virus starting in a place with a lab researching viruses within a country that had a one child policy
But erm obviously we know it came from a seafood market and we can trust the very thorough investigations into that...
How does China benefit from creating a virus that affects 6.9bn people in other countries yet seems to have barely impacted their own country ? There has been more cases in the UK in last 3 days than in China during the whold pandemic. Whilst you may argue that China aren't reporting accurately, the chinese people do tend to do what they are told and therefore are compliant with rules.
My Chinese students have told me that case numbers reported externally by China are definitely not accurate. "
What's been reported internally ? |
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"World population 14th century 380 million ! ...21 century around 8 billion !!! Do you really think the governments "elite's" have your best interests at heart.
I don't know what the "elites" have got to do with that?
But some people might suggest there's an over population problem. And some might be skeptical of a virus starting in a place with a lab researching viruses within a country that had a one child policy
But erm obviously we know it came from a seafood market and we can trust the very thorough investigations into that...
How does China benefit from creating a virus that affects 6.9bn people in other countries yet seems to have barely impacted their own country ? There has been more cases in the UK in last 3 days than in China during the whold pandemic. Whilst you may argue that China aren't reporting accurately, the chinese people do tend to do what they are told and therefore are compliant with rules.
Possibly I needed to be more explicit with the irony.
Maybe you need to explain the irony? Is there a problem with under population?!"
No I don't think so. You just need a sense of humor check. |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?"
if it was all these vaccine and covid is fake ppl that got the illness that would be fine might clean the gene pool ( why you have to write on bleach bottles do not drink duhhhh) but it’s not they then go on to give it to innocent ppl then more ppl that have it more chance of variants coming along , I don’t get them at all !
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots? if it was all these vaccine and covid is fake ppl that got the illness that would be fine might clean the gene pool ( why you have to write on bleach bottles do not drink duhhhh) but it’s not they then go on to give it to innocent ppl then more ppl that have it more chance of variants coming along , I don’t get them at all !"
Being a follower of Darwin I totally support the rights of antivaxxers and Covid-19 deniers to exist. In this world it is the survival of the fittest. So those gullible enough to believe Covid-19 is not real or that, with over 5 billion people round the world having been vaccinated, that they still think no one would have checked out the content of the vaccine for computer chips and HIV dna, well sadly they deserve to die or suffer from long covid. It is the way of things. |
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"World population 14th century 380 million ! ...21 century around 8 billion !!! Do you really think the governments "elite's" have your best interests at heart.
I don't know what the "elites" have got to do with that?
But some people might suggest there's an over population problem. And some might be skeptical of a virus starting in a place with a lab researching viruses within a country that had a one child policy
But erm obviously we know it came from a seafood market and we can trust the very thorough investigations into that...
How does China benefit from creating a virus that affects 6.9bn people in other countries yet seems to have barely impacted their own country ? There has been more cases in the UK in last 3 days than in China during the whold pandemic. Whilst you may argue that China aren't reporting accurately, the chinese people do tend to do what they are told and therefore are compliant with rules.
Possibly I needed to be more explicit with the irony.
Maybe you need to explain the irony? Is there a problem with under population?!
No I don't think so. You just need a sense of humor check."
Oh I understood your humour...you clearly didn't appreciate that I was questioning those who have that opinion...
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By *rMrsRichCouple
over a year ago
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots? if it was all these vaccine and covid is fake ppl that got the illness that would be fine might clean the gene pool ( why you have to write on bleach bottles do not drink duhhhh) but it’s not they then go on to give it to innocent ppl then more ppl that have it more chance of variants coming along , I don’t get them at all !
Being a follower of Darwin I totally support the rights of antivaxxers and Covid-19 deniers to exist. In this world it is the survival of the fittest. So those gullible enough to believe Covid-19 is not real or that, with over 5 billion people round the world having been vaccinated, that they still think no one would have checked out the content of the vaccine for computer chips and HIV dna, well sadly they deserve to die or suffer from long covid. It is the way of things."
People deserve to die for having misguided beliefs? Well aren’t you an absolute charmer!
So you’ve never believed anything that turned out not to be true?
Santa?
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots? if it was all these vaccine and covid is fake ppl that got the illness that would be fine might clean the gene pool ( why you have to write on bleach bottles do not drink duhhhh) but it’s not they then go on to give it to innocent ppl then more ppl that have it more chance of variants coming along , I don’t get them at all !
Being a follower of Darwin I totally support the rights of antivaxxers and Covid-19 deniers to exist. In this world it is the survival of the fittest. So those gullible enough to believe Covid-19 is not real or that, with over 5 billion people round the world having been vaccinated, that they still think no one would have checked out the content of the vaccine for computer chips and HIV dna, well sadly they deserve to die or suffer from long covid. It is the way of things."
given this affects older people more, I suspect they have already passed on their genes. |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Everyone knows it real, and there aren't any conspiracies just massive distrust in government and medical bodies, which isn't helped by the amount of inconsistent guidance from them all"
There's plenty of guidance.
Good guidance.
People tend to trust articles in The Daily Prepper, or The Duck Breeders Gazette, rather than the NHS.
The world-wide-web allows every braindead deadbeat from Hicksville to have their day.
A reminder that there are people out there, still, who *really believe* that Bill Gates has put chips in the vaccine.
When the mRNA tech succeeds in its original goal, of using that same vaccine tech to destroy tumours within the body, I bet we see very little vax hesitancy from the cancer afflicted. |
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By *ob198Xa OP Man
over a year ago
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"World population 14th century 380 million ! ...21 century around 8 billion !!! Do you really think the governments "elite's" have your best interests at heart."
Governments don’t get re-elected if they don’t at least appear to have our best interests at heart... |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots? if it was all these vaccine and covid is fake ppl that got the illness that would be fine might clean the gene pool ( why you have to write on bleach bottles do not drink duhhhh) but it’s not they then go on to give it to innocent ppl then more ppl that have it more chance of variants coming along , I don’t get them at all !
Being a follower of Darwin I totally support the rights of antivaxxers and Covid-19 deniers to exist. In this world it is the survival of the fittest. So those gullible enough to believe Covid-19 is not real or that, with over 5 billion people round the world having been vaccinated, that they still think no one would have checked out the content of the vaccine for computer chips and HIV dna, well sadly they deserve to die or suffer from long covid. It is the way of things.
People deserve to die for having misguided beliefs? Well aren’t you an absolute charmer!
So you’ve never believed anything that turned out not to be true?
Santa?
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Please contemplate.
Every word written on social media is completely true. There is no sarcasm, no hyperbole or irony. Every opinion expressed is the carefully considered, firmly held, belief of the author. Correct?
In the USA where vaccinations are readily available social media and politics are leading people to refuse vaccinations. As a consequence the vast majority of those dying are antivaxers. Coupled with that the vast majority of those hospitalised caught it from an unvaccinated person. I don't really wish anyone to die from this but if they will be lemmings then the risks are clear and perhaps they need to see reality clearer.
Believing in Santa as a child does not lead to a premature death. |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots? if it was all these vaccine and covid is fake ppl that got the illness that would be fine might clean the gene pool ( why you have to write on bleach bottles do not drink duhhhh) but it’s not they then go on to give it to innocent ppl then more ppl that have it more chance of variants coming along , I don’t get them at all !
Being a follower of Darwin I totally support the rights of antivaxxers and Covid-19 deniers to exist. In this world it is the survival of the fittest. So those gullible enough to believe Covid-19 is not real or that, with over 5 billion people round the world having been vaccinated, that they still think no one would have checked out the content of the vaccine for computer chips and HIV dna, well sadly they deserve to die or suffer from long covid. It is the way of things.
People deserve to die for having misguided beliefs? Well aren’t you an absolute charmer!
So you’ve never believed anything that turned out not to be true?
Santa?
Please contemplate.
Every word written on social media is completely true. There is no sarcasm, no hyperbole or irony. Every opinion expressed is the carefully considered, firmly held, belief of the author. Correct?
In the USA where vaccinations are readily available social media and politics are leading people to refuse vaccinations. As a consequence the vast majority of those dying are antivaxers. Coupled with that the vast majority of those hospitalised caught it from an unvaccinated person. I don't really wish anyone to die from this but if they will be lemmings then the risks are clear and perhaps they need to see reality clearer.
Believing in Santa as a child does not lead to a premature death. "
Immunization expert: ‘Unvaccinated people are not dangerous; vaccinated people are dangerous for others’............google headline to read article |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots? if it was all these vaccine and covid is fake ppl that got the illness that would be fine might clean the gene pool ( why you have to write on bleach bottles do not drink duhhhh) but it’s not they then go on to give it to innocent ppl then more ppl that have it more chance of variants coming along , I don’t get them at all !
Being a follower of Darwin I totally support the rights of antivaxxers and Covid-19 deniers to exist. In this world it is the survival of the fittest. So those gullible enough to believe Covid-19 is not real or that, with over 5 billion people round the world having been vaccinated, that they still think no one would have checked out the content of the vaccine for computer chips and HIV dna, well sadly they deserve to die or suffer from long covid. It is the way of things.
People deserve to die for having misguided beliefs? Well aren’t you an absolute charmer!
So you’ve never believed anything that turned out not to be true?
Santa?
Please contemplate.
Every word written on social media is completely true. There is no sarcasm, no hyperbole or irony. Every opinion expressed is the carefully considered, firmly held, belief of the author. Correct?
In the USA where vaccinations are readily available social media and politics are leading people to refuse vaccinations. As a consequence the vast majority of those dying are antivaxers. Coupled with that the vast majority of those hospitalised caught it from an unvaccinated person. I don't really wish anyone to die from this but if they will be lemmings then the risks are clear and perhaps they need to see reality clearer.
Believing in Santa as a child does not lead to a premature death. "
". As a consequence the vast majority of those dying are antivaxers. Coupled with that the vast majority of those hospitalised caught it from an unvaccinated person."
Is this a true statement or something you've made up to support your argument?
The vast majority of those dying are anti vaxxers? Is that really true? What percentage is" vast majority", how do you define an anti vaxxer? Somebody who has not yet had a vaccine?
"the vast majority of those hospitalised caught it from an unvaccinated person" are you able to share the link that shows this is the case? Because I would actually suspect that the vast majority of infections are down to vaccinated people... Given that the majority of people are vaccinated with at least one dose. So it is quite a leap of faith to make the statement that the vast majority of those hospitalised caught it from someone who is unvaccinated.
Lastly, is there technology or process now to identify from whom anybody caught an infection for all this who are hospitalised? |
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I got a random private message on this subject.
"In 1918 Spanish Flu more people died of bacterial pneumonia rather than the virus itself, they wore masks then and what do masks cause?"
Where do these people get their info from? Love to see any article prior to 2020 that associates masks being cause of bacterial and pneumonia deaths during Spanish flu...
If the statement above is true then, then given numbers of victims, it would be well documented over the last 100 years.... |
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By *ohnj21Man
over a year ago
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Everyone knows it real, and there aren't any conspiracies just massive distrust in government and medical bodies, which isn't helped by the amount of inconsistent guidance from them all"
Agreed
Goverment so dishonest
Also worse death rate in world even tho one first to get vaccine |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Everyone knows it real, and there aren't any conspiracies just massive distrust in government and medical bodies, which isn't helped by the amount of inconsistent guidance from them all
Agreed
Goverment so dishonest
Also worse death rate in world even tho one first to get vaccine"
How many of those deaths were before a significant number were doubled vaxed? How many after. |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Everyone knows it real, and there aren't any conspiracies just massive distrust in government and medical bodies, which isn't helped by the amount of inconsistent guidance from them all
Agreed
Goverment so dishonest
Also worse death rate in world even tho one first to get vaccine"
The UK isn´t even close to having the ´worse´ death rate |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Everyone knows it real, and there aren't any conspiracies just massive distrust in government and medical bodies, which isn't helped by the amount of inconsistent guidance from them all
Agreed
Goverment so dishonest
Also worse death rate in world even tho one first to get vaccine
The UK isn´t even close to having the ´worse´ death rate"
I don't think that we can rejoice though. Our deaths per million are worse than The USA and we're not far from the highest in the world |
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"I got a random private message on this subject.
"In 1918 Spanish Flu more people died of bacterial pneumonia rather than the virus itself, they wore masks then and what do masks cause?"
Where do these people get their info from? Love to see any article prior to 2020 that associates masks being cause of bacterial and pneumonia deaths during Spanish flu...
If the statement above is true then, then given numbers of victims, it would be well documented over the last 100 years.... "
a fauci paper said that many died from pneumonia after the flu had taken down the lungs. No mention of masks. |
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"I got a random private message on this subject.
"In 1918 Spanish Flu more people died of bacterial pneumonia rather than the virus itself, they wore masks then and what do masks cause?"
Where do these people get their info from? Love to see any article prior to 2020 that associates masks being cause of bacterial and pneumonia deaths during Spanish flu...
If the statement above is true then, then given numbers of victims, it would be well documented over the last 100 years.... a fauci paper said that many died from pneumonia after the flu had taken down the lungs. No mention of masks. "
This is the conclusion from the Fuci paper published 1st October 2008:
"The majority of deaths in the 1918–1919 influenza pandemic likely resulted directly from secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory-tract bacteria. Less substantial data from the subsequent 1957 and 1968 pandemics are consistent with these findings. If severe pandemic influenza is largely a problem of viral-bacterial copathogenesis, pandemic planning needs to go beyond addressing the viral cause alone (e.g., influenza vaccines and antiviral drugs). Prevention, diagnosis, prophylaxis, and treatment of secondary bacterial pneumonia, as well as stockpiling of antibiotics and bacterial vaccines, should also be high priorities for pandemic planning."
Definitely no mention of masks. |
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Bacterial pneumonia caused by opportunistic pathogens is incredibly common, not just in viral infections but also other respiratory infections. For example, people with TB (a bacterial infection) are often co-infected with multiple other bacterial or viral pathogens.
This is because the "original" infection either down-regulates the immune system (for example, TB bacterium) or the immune system is effectively overloaded and so the usual "first line" defences are overwhelmed.
The cloth masks worn in 1918 and nowadays are not the source of any bacterial co-infection. If masks and other facial coverings were so dangerous, then surgeons, dentists, vets, nurses of various sorts, pharmaceutical operatives, lab technicians and a whole host of other employment groups, would be dropping with bacterial infections all the time. I used to work in sterile pharmaceutical compounding suites. I wore a surgical mask plus a full visor/hood which was zipped to a full body suit. I also wore safety goggles under the visor. I had overboots over my all-in-one body suit, zipped to it; two or three pairs of gloves and under the body suit, a set of scrubs plus white tennis-type shoes. I worked in this garb for 8 or 12hrs a day without any ill effects, as did everyone else. |
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rightly so !.. We are all basically fed shit and kept in the dark similar to mushroom's ...indeed humans are very closely related in their DNA structure to mushroom's ! Hence the believability of the reptilian worldwide government keeping you all safe vaccination programme ! Good luck mushrooms ...your gonna need it. |
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An excerpt from the site
The difficulties of death figures
This table aims to provide a complete picture on the topic, but it very much relies on data that has become more difficult to compare. As the coronavirus pandemic developed across the world, countries already used different methods to count fatalities, and they sometimes changed them during the course of the pandemic. On April 16, for example, the Chinese city of Wuhan added a 50 percent increase in their death figures to account for community deaths. These deaths occurred outside of hospitals and went unaccounted for so far. The state of New York did something similar two days before, revising their figures with 3,700 new deaths as they started to include “assumed” coronavirus victims.
The last section regarding different means of recording deaths etc is of course a bloody nightmare.
In the same way as new York including "assumed" deaths in the sane way the UK reports on deaths 'within 28 days of a positive test' which means people could have died WITH covid, not necessarily FROM Covid
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots? if it was all these vaccine and covid is fake ppl that got the illness that would be fine might clean the gene pool ( why you have to write on bleach bottles do not drink duhhhh) but it’s not they then go on to give it to innocent ppl then more ppl that have it more chance of variants coming along , I don’t get them at all !
Being a follower of Darwin I totally support the rights of antivaxxers and Covid-19 deniers to exist. In this world it is the survival of the fittest. So those gullible enough to believe Covid-19 is not real or that, with over 5 billion people round the world having been vaccinated, that they still think no one would have checked out the content of the vaccine for computer chips and HIV dna, well sadly they deserve to die or suffer from long covid. It is the way of things.
People deserve to die for having misguided beliefs? Well aren’t you an absolute charmer!
So you’ve never believed anything that turned out not to be true?
Santa?
Please contemplate.
Every word written on social media is completely true. There is no sarcasm, no hyperbole or irony. Every opinion expressed is the carefully considered, firmly held, belief of the author. Correct?
In the USA where vaccinations are readily available social media and politics are leading people to refuse vaccinations. As a consequence the vast majority of those dying are antivaxers. Coupled with that the vast majority of those hospitalised caught it from an unvaccinated person. I don't really wish anyone to die from this but if they will be lemmings then the risks are clear and perhaps they need to see reality clearer.
Believing in Santa as a child does not lead to a premature death.
". As a consequence the vast majority of those dying are antivaxers. Coupled with that the vast majority of those hospitalised caught it from an unvaccinated person."
Is this a true statement or something you've made up to support your argument?
The vast majority of those dying are anti vaxxers? Is that really true? What percentage is" vast majority", how do you define an anti vaxxer? Somebody who has not yet had a vaccine?
"the vast majority of those hospitalised caught it from an unvaccinated person" are you able to share the link that shows this is the case? Because I would actually suspect that the vast majority of infections are down to vaccinated people... Given that the majority of people are vaccinated with at least one dose. So it is quite a leap of faith to make the statement that the vast majority of those hospitalised caught it from someone who is unvaccinated.
Lastly, is there technology or process now to identify from whom anybody caught an infection for all this who are hospitalised? "
Vast majority explanation
"99.5% Of People Killed By Covid In Last 6 Months Were Unvaccinated" - Forbes
"Of more than 18,000 people who died from COVID-19, for example, only about 150 were fully vaccinated. That's less than 1%." - WebMD
"99.2% of US Covid deaths in June were unvaccinated, says Fauci" - The Guardian
I believe over 99% is the vast majority so I did not make it up to support my argument.
In a country where people are being pressured by the federal government into being vaccinated it is not unreasonable to assume that those who chose not to be vaccinated are "antivaxers" (OK. Of course there are those that have not for other reasons and you are invited to list every one of them. Let us start with trypanophobia.)
Vaccinated persons can infect unvaccinated persons but the risk of that occurring are greatly reduced. Since Covid-19 can also be transmitted by touching an inanimate object it is not possible to ascertain exactly where an infected person was first infected. It is only the statements of those infected and in hospital that lead to an analysis but who is to say the infected person is correct?
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If that's is the basis of whether you can be questioned as to the source and robustness of your evidence, then I'll do it, as I've got more qualifications than yourself. However none of my qualifications are in virology or epidemiology and moreover I'm not a doctor, so I take my evidence from people who know far more than myself on the subject. It's an old school approach asking those who study and specialise in the relevant subject, but it's worked for millennia. |
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"An excerpt from the site
The difficulties of death figures
This table aims to provide a complete picture on the topic, but it very much relies on data that has become more difficult to compare. As the coronavirus pandemic developed across the world, countries already used different methods to count fatalities, and they sometimes changed them during the course of the pandemic. On April 16, for example, the Chinese city of Wuhan added a 50 percent increase in their death figures to account for community deaths. These deaths occurred outside of hospitals and went unaccounted for so far. The state of New York did something similar two days before, revising their figures with 3,700 new deaths as they started to include “assumed” coronavirus victims.
The last section regarding different means of recording deaths etc is of course a bloody nightmare.
In the same way as new York including "assumed" deaths in the sane way the UK reports on deaths 'within 28 days of a positive test' which means people could have died WITH covid, not necessarily FROM Covid
But of course that's dangerous conspiracy theory talk and we mustn't delve into that"
UK take the approach that daily deaths are as you describe as that's quick. But weekly deaths are where covid is on the death certificate. Imo, when looking at longer term patterns, excess deaths is hard to argue against. |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?"
Yes there are still lots of them around, and they tend to be the ones shouting from the rooftops about it too, more vocal about it all. |
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I have yet to meet anyone who isn't vaccinated who DOESN'T believe there is a virus. They have their own reasons for not having the vaccine.
For those who say there are people denying there is a virus, have you actually spoken to them or is it something you've seen on YouTube or read on Facebook? I'm genuinely curious as it doesn't match my own conversations. |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?"
Oh I love a good injection of bots
I hope there will always be people around who think ‘differently’. Most aren’t conspiracy theories though; the media loves showcasing the extreme. Off course it’s real but challenging/ questioning the extent and details should be normal and never mocked or labelled as crazy or extreme. That’s how mass control happens  |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Oh I love a good injection of bots
I hope there will always be people around who think ‘differently’. Most aren’t conspiracy theories though; the media loves showcasing the extreme. Off course it’s real but challenging/ questioning the extent and details should be normal and never mocked or labelled as crazy or extreme. That’s how mass control happens "
Exactly this Miss Pc |
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
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I've never met anyone who doesn't believe there is a virus.
They question the government response, the best way to treat it etc.
That's always good in a free society. I don't like how people leap to immediately attack them |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Oh I love a good injection of bots
I hope there will always be people around who think ‘differently’. Most aren’t conspiracy theories though; the media loves showcasing the extreme. Off course it’s real but challenging/ questioning the extent and details should be normal and never mocked or labelled as crazy or extreme. That’s how mass control happens "
Yes! The highly valuable critiques of medical evidence comes from within the peer review process. We're so fortunate to have the scientific method, directing how we research, as well as global investment in the peer review process, that's proved so helpful to us all, during this pandemic. |
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Oh I love a good injection of bots
I hope there will always be people around who think ‘differently’. Most aren’t conspiracy theories though; the media loves showcasing the extreme. Off course it’s real but challenging/ questioning the extent and details should be normal and never mocked or labelled as crazy or extreme. That’s how mass control happens
Yes! The highly valuable critiques of medical evidence comes from within the peer review process. We're so fortunate to have the scientific method, directing how we research, as well as global investment in the peer review process, that's proved so helpful to us all, during this pandemic. "
We can all agree that the scientific method is invaluable when applied properly.
Plenty of vested interests would like to subvert it and we have to constantly be on guard against them |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Oh I love a good injection of bots
I hope there will always be people around who think ‘differently’. Most aren’t conspiracy theories though; the media loves showcasing the extreme. Off course it’s real but challenging/ questioning the extent and details should be normal and never mocked or labelled as crazy or extreme. That’s how mass control happens
Yes! The highly valuable critiques of medical evidence comes from within the peer review process. We're so fortunate to have the scientific method, directing how we research, as well as global investment in the peer review process, that's proved so helpful to us all, during this pandemic.
We can all agree that the scientific method is invaluable when applied properly.
Plenty of vested interests would like to subvert it and we have to constantly be on guard against them"
and we have to be on our guard against those who wish to take advantage of us being on our guard! That's why we need everyone to be open with their evidence for their views. And to avoid ad Homs. |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Oh I love a good injection of bots
I hope there will always be people around who think ‘differently’. Most aren’t conspiracy theories though; the media loves showcasing the extreme. Off course it’s real but challenging/ questioning the extent and details should be normal and never mocked or labelled as crazy or extreme. That’s how mass control happens
Yes! The highly valuable critiques of medical evidence comes from within the peer review process. We're so fortunate to have the scientific method, directing how we research, as well as global investment in the peer review process, that's proved so helpful to us all, during this pandemic.
We can all agree that the scientific method is invaluable when applied properly.
Plenty of vested interests would like to subvert it and we have to constantly be on guard against them"
Thankfully, the scientific method as employed, has predominantly allowed for full and open access to the research evidence that we have. What's not valid, is trying to counterbalance the enormous weight of this with piss poor trash, that many of the antivax funders and peddlers desperately try to do, to undermine our country's stability, etc. |
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"I've never met anyone who doesn't believe there is a virus.
They question the government response, the best way to treat it etc.
That's always good in a free society. I don't like how people leap to immediately attack them"
I have met several people who do not believe there's a virus. One of them gave birth to me. Another married my mother and is now deceased (from Covid) yet my mother still denies. According to her, he was "murdered by medical staff who pumped him full of morphine." |
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Oh I love a good injection of bots
I hope there will always be people around who think ‘differently’. Most aren’t conspiracy theories though; the media loves showcasing the extreme. Off course it’s real but challenging/ questioning the extent and details should be normal and never mocked or labelled as crazy or extreme. That’s how mass control happens
Yes! The highly valuable critiques of medical evidence comes from within the peer review process. We're so fortunate to have the scientific method, directing how we research, as well as global investment in the peer review process, that's proved so helpful to us all, during this pandemic.
We can all agree that the scientific method is invaluable when applied properly.
Plenty of vested interests would like to subvert it and we have to constantly be on guard against themand we have to be on our guard against those who wish to take advantage of us being on our guard! That's why we need everyone to be open with their evidence for their views. And to avoid ad Homs. "
Far too many ad homs here. The words simpletons, conspiracy theorists, denialists, covidiots etc etc and wearily etc are routinely and almost instantly deployed against anyone questioning the official narrative.
Whenever I see someone using these words I automatically suspect they use them to try t silence people |
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Oh I love a good injection of bots
I hope there will always be people around who think ‘differently’. Most aren’t conspiracy theories though; the media loves showcasing the extreme. Off course it’s real but challenging/ questioning the extent and details should be normal and never mocked or labelled as crazy or extreme. That’s how mass control happens
Yes! The highly valuable critiques of medical evidence comes from within the peer review process. We're so fortunate to have the scientific method, directing how we research, as well as global investment in the peer review process, that's proved so helpful to us all, during this pandemic.
We can all agree that the scientific method is invaluable when applied properly.
Plenty of vested interests would like to subvert it and we have to constantly be on guard against them
Thankfully, the scientific method as employed, has predominantly allowed for full and open access to the research evidence that we have. What's not valid, is trying to counterbalance the enormous weight of this with piss poor trash, that many of the antivax funders and peddlers desperately try to do, to undermine our country's stability, etc. "
Scientific method is very good. What worries me is the lies and abuse if such results by governments and official bodies |
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Somebody told you it's real so it must be real right ?
Old saying..tell the same lie enough times and people start to believe its the truth.
Repetitive manipulation. Just like education. Learn what you're told, remember it, prove you've remembered it in your exam test, pass your exam..and hey presto..you're smart right ? You've done as you're told.
Don't think for yourself..just do as you're told. "
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Oh I love a good injection of bots
I hope there will always be people around who think ‘differently’. Most aren’t conspiracy theories though; the media loves showcasing the extreme. Off course it’s real but challenging/ questioning the extent and details should be normal and never mocked or labelled as crazy or extreme. That’s how mass control happens
Yes! The highly valuable critiques of medical evidence comes from within the peer review process. We're so fortunate to have the scientific method, directing how we research, as well as global investment in the peer review process, that's proved so helpful to us all, during this pandemic.
We can all agree that the scientific method is invaluable when applied properly.
Plenty of vested interests would like to subvert it and we have to constantly be on guard against themand we have to be on our guard against those who wish to take advantage of us being on our guard! That's why we need everyone to be open with their evidence for their views. And to avoid ad Homs.
Far too many ad homs here. The words simpletons, conspiracy theorists, denialists, covidiots etc etc and wearily etc are routinely and almost instantly deployed against anyone questioning the official narrative.
Whenever I see someone using these words I automatically suspect they use them to try t silence people"
But what would be the benefit to them, unless you think they are being paid to silence people on a swingers forum. |
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Oh I love a good injection of bots
I hope there will always be people around who think ‘differently’. Most aren’t conspiracy theories though; the media loves showcasing the extreme. Off course it’s real but challenging/ questioning the extent and details should be normal and never mocked or labelled as crazy or extreme. That’s how mass control happens
Yes! The highly valuable critiques of medical evidence comes from within the peer review process. We're so fortunate to have the scientific method, directing how we research, as well as global investment in the peer review process, that's proved so helpful to us all, during this pandemic.
We can all agree that the scientific method is invaluable when applied properly.
Plenty of vested interests would like to subvert it and we have to constantly be on guard against themand we have to be on our guard against those who wish to take advantage of us being on our guard! That's why we need everyone to be open with their evidence for their views. And to avoid ad Homs.
Far too many ad homs here. The words simpletons, conspiracy theorists, denialists, covidiots etc etc and wearily etc are routinely and almost instantly deployed against anyone questioning the official narrative.
Whenever I see someone using these words I automatically suspect they use them to try t silence people
But what would be the benefit to them, unless you think they are being paid to silence people on a swingers forum. "
I don't suggest they are being paid. I just think some people are very orthodox/rigid in their thinking and delight in groupthink. They can't stand any other point of view |
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I don't suggest they are being paid. I just think some people are very orthodox/rigid in their thinking and delight in groupthink. They can't stand any other point of view"
Hmmm, Kruger and Dunning (1999). are doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Thick as mince. Ref: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10626367/
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Thankfully, the scientific method as employed, has predominantly allowed for full and open access to the research evidence that we have. What's not valid, is trying to counterbalance the enormous weight of this with piss poor trash, that many of the antivax funders and peddlers desperately try to do, to undermine our country's stability, etc. "
*Applause*
The scientific method is an attempt to counteract the inherent bias of the bipedal primates that devised it. |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
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"Is it still a thing? Are there still people that don’t believe this virus is real and not some conspiracy to inject us with nanobots?
Oh I love a good injection of bots
I hope there will always be people around who think ‘differently’. Most aren’t conspiracy theories though; the media loves showcasing the extreme. Off course it’s real but challenging/ questioning the extent and details should be normal and never mocked or labelled as crazy or extreme. That’s how mass control happens
Yes! The highly valuable critiques of medical evidence comes from within the peer review process. We're so fortunate to have the scientific method, directing how we research, as well as global investment in the peer review process, that's proved so helpful to us all, during this pandemic.
We can all agree that the scientific method is invaluable when applied properly.
Plenty of vested interests would like to subvert it and we have to constantly be on guard against themand we have to be on our guard against those who wish to take advantage of us being on our guard! That's why we need everyone to be open with their evidence for their views. And to avoid ad Homs.
Far too many ad homs here. The words simpletons, conspiracy theorists, denialists, covidiots etc etc and wearily etc are routinely and almost instantly deployed against anyone questioning the official narrative.
Whenever I see someone using these words I automatically suspect they use them to try t silence people
But what would be the benefit to them, unless you think they are being paid to silence people on a swingers forum.
I don't suggest they are being paid. I just think some people are very orthodox/rigid in their thinking and delight in groupthink. They can't stand any other point of view"
If you can’t question something, then it’s propaganda not science |
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