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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there?" Only read about in the daily mail so how much truth is in it God knows. He comes across as a total fruit cake. Surely he won't get that much support. | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there?" What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns? | |||
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"My sister is in WA... no concern there about truckers blocking roads! If they get a positive covid in the area they then shut that area for say 5 days. It’s worked a lot better than our country!! " The NSW premier seems to be giving up on stamping it out. Fabulous  | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?" I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it." The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … | |||
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"What are the truckers protesting about ? " They are protesting about the covid restrictions. | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … " Yes, the police there look like something out of star wars. I have always said that they have been "outrageous" during lockdown they also sprayed anyone during the other protest and one police was going from left to right very quickly, almost like they were afraid of something, it was on the news too. | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … Yes, the police there look like something out of star wars. I have always said that they have been "outrageous" during lockdown they also sprayed anyone during the other protest and one police was going from left to right very quickly, almost like they were afraid of something, it was on the news too." .... and firing rubber bullets at a crowd of protestors. Anyone with covid and isolating has to mark their home by displaying a notice. Parents are not permitted to accompanying their children for vaccination. Children have been forcibly removed from their parents. | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … Yes, the police there look like something out of star wars. I have always said that they have been "outrageous" during lockdown they also sprayed anyone during the other protest and one police was going from left to right very quickly, almost like they were afraid of something, it was on the news too. .... and firing rubber bullets at a crowd of protestors. Anyone with covid and isolating has to mark their home by displaying a notice. Parents are not permitted to accompanying their children for vaccination. Children have been forcibly removed from their parents." And my Australian family and friends are looking at the UK and wondering how the UK fell so far and cannot fathom how horrible it is. So, there's that. | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … Yes, the police there look like something out of star wars. I have always said that they have been "outrageous" during lockdown they also sprayed anyone during the other protest and one police was going from left to right very quickly, almost like they were afraid of something, it was on the news too. .... and firing rubber bullets at a crowd of protestors. Anyone with covid and isolating has to mark their home by displaying a notice. Parents are not permitted to accompanying their children for vaccination. Children have been forcibly removed from their parents. And my Australian family and friends are looking at the UK and wondering how the UK fell so far and cannot fathom how horrible it is. So, there's that." Do they like the authoritarian examples provided then? The U.K. isn’t horrible, for the most part life is back on track and people are doing normal things again. Shops packed, bars busy, sports stadiums full. Marking your home with a notice and firing rubber bullets at protestors is not something to be glad about. | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … Yes, the police there look like something out of star wars. I have always said that they have been "outrageous" during lockdown they also sprayed anyone during the other protest and one police was going from left to right very quickly, almost like they were afraid of something, it was on the news too. .... and firing rubber bullets at a crowd of protestors. Anyone with covid and isolating has to mark their home by displaying a notice. Parents are not permitted to accompanying their children for vaccination. Children have been forcibly removed from their parents. And my Australian family and friends are looking at the UK and wondering how the UK fell so far and cannot fathom how horrible it is. So, there's that. Do they like the authoritarian examples provided then? The U.K. isn’t horrible, for the most part life is back on track and people are doing normal things again. Shops packed, bars busy, sports stadiums full. Marking your home with a notice and firing rubber bullets at protestors is not something to be glad about." They prioritise health over holibobs and drinkypoos and don't quite comprehend that people aren't worried here. The Australian term most often applied to the protestors is "drongo". It doesn't mean bold brave noble freedom fighter. It means moron. | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … Yes, the police there look like something out of star wars. I have always said that they have been "outrageous" during lockdown they also sprayed anyone during the other protest and one police was going from left to right very quickly, almost like they were afraid of something, it was on the news too. .... and firing rubber bullets at a crowd of protestors. Anyone with covid and isolating has to mark their home by displaying a notice. Parents are not permitted to accompanying their children for vaccination. Children have been forcibly removed from their parents. And my Australian family and friends are looking at the UK and wondering how the UK fell so far and cannot fathom how horrible it is. So, there's that. Do they like the authoritarian examples provided then? The U.K. isn’t horrible, for the most part life is back on track and people are doing normal things again. Shops packed, bars busy, sports stadiums full. Marking your home with a notice and firing rubber bullets at protestors is not something to be glad about." Please don’t forget the wanton destruction of puppies or the vaccinations where parents are not permitted to be with their kids while the state injects them … | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … Yes, the police there look like something out of star wars. I have always said that they have been "outrageous" during lockdown they also sprayed anyone during the other protest and one police was going from left to right very quickly, almost like they were afraid of something, it was on the news too. .... and firing rubber bullets at a crowd of protestors. Anyone with covid and isolating has to mark their home by displaying a notice. Parents are not permitted to accompanying their children for vaccination. Children have been forcibly removed from their parents. And my Australian family and friends are looking at the UK and wondering how the UK fell so far and cannot fathom how horrible it is. So, there's that. Do they like the authoritarian examples provided then? The U.K. isn’t horrible, for the most part life is back on track and people are doing normal things again. Shops packed, bars busy, sports stadiums full. Marking your home with a notice and firing rubber bullets at protestors is not something to be glad about. They prioritise health over holibobs and drinkypoos and don't quite comprehend that people aren't worried here. The Australian term most often applied to the protestors is "drongo". It doesn't mean bold brave noble freedom fighter. It means moron." You mean they prioritise covid over living normal life? There’s more to health than covid. Their zero covid stance is not sustainable (particularly with their low vaccine rates), you’ll see. Most people here can’t comprehend why people are that worried. Totally understand the old and vulnerable being worried, but most are now just going about their life normally. That was the idea of the vaccine, to get us back to normal. For most, thankfully, whether choosing to have the vaccine or not, they’re getting on with life and enjoying it. There’s some weirdos who live their life worried about it and can’t seem to get on with stuff anymore (as this forum proves, lol) but for most the stats are completely in favour of getting on with life, particularly if you’ve been vaccinated. Most people now can’t understand why you’d be worried about covid. Get on with life while you’re still here. Or don’t, and spend it scared forever, begging for more rules and restrictions and longing for harsher rules. Most are choosing the former thankfully. | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … Yes, the police there look like something out of star wars. I have always said that they have been "outrageous" during lockdown they also sprayed anyone during the other protest and one police was going from left to right very quickly, almost like they were afraid of something, it was on the news too. .... and firing rubber bullets at a crowd of protestors. Anyone with covid and isolating has to mark their home by displaying a notice. Parents are not permitted to accompanying their children for vaccination. Children have been forcibly removed from their parents. And my Australian family and friends are looking at the UK and wondering how the UK fell so far and cannot fathom how horrible it is. So, there's that. Do they like the authoritarian examples provided then? The U.K. isn’t horrible, for the most part life is back on track and people are doing normal things again. Shops packed, bars busy, sports stadiums full. Marking your home with a notice and firing rubber bullets at protestors is not something to be glad about. Please don’t forget the wanton destruction of puppies or the vaccinations where parents are not permitted to be with their kids while the state injects them …" I know, it’s awful. But some on here love it! Revolve everything around covid, dont go out, triple mask, love restrictions, vaccinate but still not safe etc etc. Some are too far gone. You just got to laugh. They’ll still be the same in ten years. | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood "Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health. Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything….. Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point. | |||
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" Children have been forcibly removed from their parents." Well let’s hope this time they’re given back and we dont end up with another Stolen Generation!! | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point."I'm living my life. Living my values. If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it. I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that. | |||
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" Children have been forcibly removed from their parents. Well let’s hope this time they’re given back and we dont end up with another Stolen Generation!! " They probably will be if they're white | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that."Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you. It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life. So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel. | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel."We are so far through the looking glass that some people have ended up conditioned to think that anyone who stands up for freedoms and gives a voice to the millions of people affected by the collateral damages of lockdowns are selfish, irresponsible, Covid denying, conspiracy theorists. I used to think I could debate with their stance…now I just pity their worthless existence | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel.
We are so far through the looking glass that some people have ended up conditioned to think that anyone who stands up for freedoms and gives a voice to the millions of people affected by the collateral damages of lockdowns are selfish, irresponsible, Covid denying, conspiracy theorists. I used to think I could debate with their stance…now I just pity their worthless existence "Totally agree. It’s a shame to be honest. Most people are enjoying life and it’s sad that some are actually revelling in restrictions and covid. They think of nowt else. | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel."I shall speak as I choose, thank you. If you don't like it, you're welcome not to read it. If you have a problem with how I spend my time, you're welcome to ignore me and mind your own business. Enjoy your "freedom". I find it vile and segregationist and I'm glad Australia has not yet stooped to such barbarism. Maybe drinkypoos football and holibobs are the new opiates of the masses. | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel.
I shall speak as I choose, thank you.
If you don't like it, you're welcome not to read it. If you have a problem with how I spend my time, you're welcome to ignore me and mind your own business.
Enjoy your "freedom". I find it vile and segregationist and I'm glad Australia has not yet stooped to such barbarism.
Maybe drinkypoos football and holibobs are the new opiates of the masses."I don’t have a problem with how you think, I just totally disagree with it. And I’m glad most are getting on with life. Funny how you think living life is barbaric yet firing rubber bullets at protestors is virtuous. It’s incredible. Sport, going out, and holidays are amongst the fun things in life that people have always done forever. You spend your time as you wish, just let others do the same. Thankfully, most are. | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … Yes, the police there look like something out of star wars. I have always said that they have been "outrageous" during lockdown they also sprayed anyone during the other protest and one police was going from left to right very quickly, almost like they were afraid of something, it was on the news too. .... and firing rubber bullets at a crowd of protestors. Anyone with covid and isolating has to mark their home by displaying a notice. Parents are not permitted to accompanying their children for vaccination. Children have been forcibly removed from their parents." Do you have a link or evidence that children are being forcibly removed from their parents to be vaccinated? | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel.
I shall speak as I choose, thank you.
If you don't like it, you're welcome not to read it. If you have a problem with how I spend my time, you're welcome to ignore me and mind your own business.
Enjoy your "freedom". I find it vile and segregationist and I'm glad Australia has not yet stooped to such barbarism.
Maybe drinkypoos football and holibobs are the new opiates of the masses.
I don’t have a problem with how you think, I just totally disagree with it. And I’m glad most are getting on with life.
Funny how you think living life is barbaric yet firing rubber bullets at protestors is virtuous. It’s incredible.
Sport, going out, and holidays are amongst the fun things in life that people have always done forever.
You spend your time as you wish, just let others do the same. Thankfully, most are."And fortunately the Australian government is protecting its people. Australians all, let us rejoice, for we are one and free | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel.
I shall speak as I choose, thank you.
If you don't like it, you're welcome not to read it. If you have a problem with how I spend my time, you're welcome to ignore me and mind your own business.
Enjoy your "freedom". I find it vile and segregationist and I'm glad Australia has not yet stooped to such barbarism.
Maybe drinkypoos football and holibobs are the new opiates of the masses.
I don’t have a problem with how you think, I just totally disagree with it. And I’m glad most are getting on with life.
Funny how you think living life is barbaric yet firing rubber bullets at protestors is virtuous. It’s incredible.
Sport, going out, and holidays are amongst the fun things in life that people have always done forever.
You spend your time as you wish, just let others do the same. Thankfully, most are.
And fortunately the Australian government is protecting its people.
Australians all, let us rejoice, for we are one and free "They’re protecting them from covid. They are not protecting them from anything else. As for your last sentence, the covid religion has truly got you hasn’t it. All worship the cult! Lol. | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel.
I shall speak as I choose, thank you.
If you don't like it, you're welcome not to read it. If you have a problem with how I spend my time, you're welcome to ignore me and mind your own business.
Enjoy your "freedom". I find it vile and segregationist and I'm glad Australia has not yet stooped to such barbarism.
Maybe drinkypoos football and holibobs are the new opiates of the masses.
I don’t have a problem with how you think, I just totally disagree with it. And I’m glad most are getting on with life.
Funny how you think living life is barbaric yet firing rubber bullets at protestors is virtuous. It’s incredible.
Sport, going out, and holidays are amongst the fun things in life that people have always done forever.
You spend your time as you wish, just let others do the same. Thankfully, most are."Thankfully most are doing these stuff and getting on with life because most people got vaccinated. Otherwise, they would not. But this does not mean things are safe or normal. So in a way, right niw you are free to do what you want because of what you are against. | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel.
I shall speak as I choose, thank you.
If you don't like it, you're welcome not to read it. If you have a problem with how I spend my time, you're welcome to ignore me and mind your own business.
Enjoy your "freedom". I find it vile and segregationist and I'm glad Australia has not yet stooped to such barbarism.
Maybe drinkypoos football and holibobs are the new opiates of the masses.
I don’t have a problem with how you think, I just totally disagree with it. And I’m glad most are getting on with life.
Funny how you think living life is barbaric yet firing rubber bullets at protestors is virtuous. It’s incredible.
Sport, going out, and holidays are amongst the fun things in life that people have always done forever.
You spend your time as you wish, just let others do the same. Thankfully, most are.
Thankfully most are doing these stuff and getting on with life because most people got vaccinated. Otherwise, they would not. But this does not mean things are safe or normal. So in a way, right niw you are free to do what you want because of what you are against.
"I’m not against vaccination at all. I’m against mandation and segregation. Vaccines are the right thing for many, but not for all. Each individual can make their own mind up. Nothing is ever totally safe. We all weigh up our risk, like anything in life. | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel.
I shall speak as I choose, thank you.
If you don't like it, you're welcome not to read it. If you have a problem with how I spend my time, you're welcome to ignore me and mind your own business.
Enjoy your "freedom". I find it vile and segregationist and I'm glad Australia has not yet stooped to such barbarism.
Maybe drinkypoos football and holibobs are the new opiates of the masses.
I don’t have a problem with how you think, I just totally disagree with it. And I’m glad most are getting on with life.
Funny how you think living life is barbaric yet firing rubber bullets at protestors is virtuous. It’s incredible.
Sport, going out, and holidays are amongst the fun things in life that people have always done forever.
You spend your time as you wish, just let others do the same. Thankfully, most are.
And fortunately the Australian government is protecting its people.
Australians all, let us rejoice, for we are one and free
They’re protecting them from covid. They are not protecting them from anything else.
As for your last sentence, the covid religion has truly got you hasn’t it. All worship the cult! Lol."Yes, the Australian national anthem is a Covid cult. Imagine an Australian citizen reciting the national anthem. Scandalous  | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps??" My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel.
I shall speak as I choose, thank you.
If you don't like it, you're welcome not to read it. If you have a problem with how I spend my time, you're welcome to ignore me and mind your own business.
Enjoy your "freedom". I find it vile and segregationist and I'm glad Australia has not yet stooped to such barbarism.
Maybe drinkypoos football and holibobs are the new opiates of the masses.
I don’t have a problem with how you think, I just totally disagree with it. And I’m glad most are getting on with life.
Funny how you think living life is barbaric yet firing rubber bullets at protestors is virtuous. It’s incredible.
Sport, going out, and holidays are amongst the fun things in life that people have always done forever.
You spend your time as you wish, just let others do the same. Thankfully, most are.
And fortunately the Australian government is protecting its people.
Australians all, let us rejoice, for we are one and free
They’re protecting them from covid. They are not protecting them from anything else.
As for your last sentence, the covid religion has truly got you hasn’t it. All worship the cult! Lol.
Yes, the Australian national anthem is a Covid cult.
Imagine an Australian citizen reciting the national anthem. Scandalous "Lol I genuinely didn’t know that was their anthem! But good to know they’re protecting them from covid, while firing rubber bullets at protestors. | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction." I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps  | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel.
I shall speak as I choose, thank you.
If you don't like it, you're welcome not to read it. If you have a problem with how I spend my time, you're welcome to ignore me and mind your own business.
Enjoy your "freedom". I find it vile and segregationist and I'm glad Australia has not yet stooped to such barbarism.
Maybe drinkypoos football and holibobs are the new opiates of the masses.
I don’t have a problem with how you think, I just totally disagree with it. And I’m glad most are getting on with life.
Funny how you think living life is barbaric yet firing rubber bullets at protestors is virtuous. It’s incredible.
Sport, going out, and holidays are amongst the fun things in life that people have always done forever.
You spend your time as you wish, just let others do the same. Thankfully, most are.
Thankfully most are doing these stuff and getting on with life because most people got vaccinated. Otherwise, they would not. But this does not mean things are safe or normal. So in a way, right niw you are free to do what you want because of what you are against.
I’m not against vaccination at all. I’m against mandation and segregation. Vaccines are the right thing for many, but not for all. Each individual can make their own mind up.
Nothing is ever totally safe. We all weigh up our risk, like anything in life."So how did you make up your mind? You got vaccinated because you had to (due to work) or not vaccinated because you think your risk is low? Yes we do weight risks but this is about our health. The word segragation is used by a minority in the UK. There is no segregation. Do you see segregation in public transport? Do you see segregation when being treated at hospital? I do not. What I see is that a minority is using the word segregation as convenient during their debates. | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel.
I shall speak as I choose, thank you.
If you don't like it, you're welcome not to read it. If you have a problem with how I spend my time, you're welcome to ignore me and mind your own business.
Enjoy your "freedom". I find it vile and segregationist and I'm glad Australia has not yet stooped to such barbarism.
Maybe drinkypoos football and holibobs are the new opiates of the masses.
I don’t have a problem with how you think, I just totally disagree with it. And I’m glad most are getting on with life.
Funny how you think living life is barbaric yet firing rubber bullets at protestors is virtuous. It’s incredible.
Sport, going out, and holidays are amongst the fun things in life that people have always done forever.
You spend your time as you wish, just let others do the same. Thankfully, most are.
Thankfully most are doing these stuff and getting on with life because most people got vaccinated. Otherwise, they would not. But this does not mean things are safe or normal. So in a way, right niw you are free to do what you want because of what you are against.
I’m not against vaccination at all. I’m against mandation and segregation. Vaccines are the right thing for many, but not for all. Each individual can make their own mind up.
Nothing is ever totally safe. We all weigh up our risk, like anything in life.
So how did you make up your mind? You got vaccinated because you had to (due to work) or not vaccinated because you think your risk is low?
Yes we do weight risks but this is about our health.
The word segragation is used by a minority in the UK. There is no segregation. Do you see segregation in public transport? Do you see segregation when being treated at hospital? I do not. What I see is that a minority is using the word segregation as convenient during their debates. "We weigh up risks on health all the time. Totally normal to do that. You’re right there’s no segregation in the U.K. Long may that continue. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not." I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue." Very glad you came to agree with me. | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps "Umm. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me." I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps "It would appear the video of a covid positive child being forcibly removed from their parent was not connected with Covid, but was in fact related to another matter. The vaccination of 24,000 children without parents present, the wanton destruction of the puppies, Covid positive homes to be marked, shooting rubber bullets - all verifiable via the Australian news outlets. | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps
It would appear the video of a covid positive child being forcibly removed from their parent was not connected with Covid, but was in fact related to another matter.
The vaccination of 24,000 children without parents present, the wanton destruction of the puppies, Covid positive homes to be marked, shooting rubber bullets - all verifiable via the Australian news outlets.
"Can you name any of them? Not all news outlets are created equal, of course. | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps
Umm. "Umm…
Most people are getting on with life, and you’re spending all day every day slating people who are living normally for being selfish and not living in fear.
You literally revel in fear. But carry on doing so, thankfully most aren’t. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting." Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps
Umm.
Umm…
Most people are getting on with life, and you’re spending all day every day slating people who are living normally for being selfish and not living in fear.
You literally revel in fear. But carry on doing so, thankfully most aren’t."I'm literally multitasking while brainstorming a project with my business partner over WhatsApp, but, carry on. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard?" We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps
Umm.
Umm…
Most people are getting on with life, and you’re spending all day every day slating people who are living normally for being selfish and not living in fear.
You literally revel in fear. But carry on doing so, thankfully most aren’t.
I'm literally multitasking while brainstorming a project with my business partner over WhatsApp, but, carry on."Good on you! Go out for a meal, go to a club, do whatever you used to do before covid and you’ll be joining the majority in getting on with life | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps
Umm.
Umm…
Most people are getting on with life, and you’re spending all day every day slating people who are living normally for being selfish and not living in fear.
You literally revel in fear. But carry on doing so, thankfully most aren’t.
I'm literally multitasking while brainstorming a project with my business partner over WhatsApp, but, carry on.
Good on you! Go out for a meal, go to a club, do whatever you used to do before covid and you’ll be joining the majority in getting on with life "No, thank you. I don't give a single solitary fuck what the majority are doing, if I think it's foolish I won't join in. | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps
Umm.
Umm…
Most people are getting on with life, and you’re spending all day every day slating people who are living normally for being selfish and not living in fear.
You literally revel in fear. But carry on doing so, thankfully most aren’t.
I'm literally multitasking while brainstorming a project with my business partner over WhatsApp, but, carry on.
Good on you! Go out for a meal, go to a club, do whatever you used to do before covid and you’ll be joining the majority in getting on with life
No, thank you.
I don't give a single solitary fuck what the majority are doing, if I think it's foolish I won't join in."Cool, carry on living in fear | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps
It would appear the video of a covid positive child being forcibly removed from their parent was not connected with Covid, but was in fact related to another matter.
The vaccination of 24,000 children without parents present, the wanton destruction of the puppies, Covid positive homes to be marked, shooting rubber bullets - all verifiable via the Australian news outlets.
"Yes please quote your sources... I’ll happily read them. You need to redact your statement on children being forcibly removed from their parents though | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps
Umm.
Umm…
Most people are getting on with life, and you’re spending all day every day slating people who are living normally for being selfish and not living in fear.
You literally revel in fear. But carry on doing so, thankfully most aren’t.
I'm literally multitasking while brainstorming a project with my business partner over WhatsApp, but, carry on.
Good on you! Go out for a meal, go to a club, do whatever you used to do before covid and you’ll be joining the majority in getting on with life
No, thank you.
I don't give a single solitary fuck what the majority are doing, if I think it's foolish I won't join in.
Cool, carry on living in fear "Personal responsibility | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware." Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate." Agreed. It's appropriating genuine discrimination and suffering. | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps
It would appear the video of a covid positive child being forcibly removed from their parent was not connected with Covid, but was in fact related to another matter.
The vaccination of 24,000 children without parents present, the wanton destruction of the puppies, Covid positive homes to be marked, shooting rubber bullets - all verifiable via the Australian news outlets.
"I’m a just leaving this here.... https://www.3newsnow.com/news/coronavirus/fact-focus-covid-19-shots-not-forced-on-kids-in-australia?_amp=true | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps
Umm.
Umm…
Most people are getting on with life, and you’re spending all day every day slating people who are living normally for being selfish and not living in fear.
You literally revel in fear. But carry on doing so, thankfully most aren’t.
I'm literally multitasking while brainstorming a project with my business partner over WhatsApp, but, carry on.
Good on you! Go out for a meal, go to a club, do whatever you used to do before covid and you’ll be joining the majority in getting on with life
No, thank you.
I don't give a single solitary fuck what the majority are doing, if I think it's foolish I won't join in.
Cool, carry on living in fear
Personal responsibility "And many believe they have the personal responsibility to look after mental health, jobs, and spend time with loved ones. I wonder, how many years will you still have this stance? You could spend a fair whack of your life not doing the things you used to enjoy. Your choice obviously, but it’s going to go on and on…. My guess is you won’t be doing those things even in another 3-5 years. Your choice obviously, nothing wrong with it if you want to miss out on normal life. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate." Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Agreed. It's appropriating genuine discrimination and suffering." You keep justifying the state coercing people into losing their medical autonomy. It’s gross. | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps
It would appear the video of a covid positive child being forcibly removed from their parent was not connected with Covid, but was in fact related to another matter.
The vaccination of 24,000 children without parents present, the wanton destruction of the puppies, Covid positive homes to be marked, shooting rubber bullets - all verifiable via the Australian news outlets.
Yes please quote your sources...
I’ll happily read them.
You need to redact your statement on children being forcibly removed from their parents though "I corrected the report of the forcibly removed child in the post you replied to. - 24,000 children vaccination - press conference by nsw.gov.au (just for clarity I didn't suggest the vaccinations were being given against their will, just that the person delivering the press conference indicated that no parents would be permitted to accompany their child) - Rubber bullets being fired into protestors - Live coverage of the Melbourne Anti Lockdown protests - ABC News - Puppies and dogs being destroyed - The Sydney Morning Herald - Homes to be marked - 9News Adelaide | |||
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"People that are afraid of covid should just stay at home forever and let the rest of us get on with life." | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Agreed. It's appropriating genuine discrimination and suffering. You keep justifying the state coercing people into losing their medical autonomy. It’s gross." Sure am | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Agreed. It's appropriating genuine discrimination and suffering. You keep justifying the state coercing people into losing their medical autonomy. It’s gross. Sure am "I know. You’re in some pretty gross company throughout history. And yet you believe you’re the virtuous one. Crikey. Think I’m kind of glad your types are staying at home to be honest! Lol. | |||
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"People that are afraid of covid should just stay at home forever and let the rest of us get on with life." Totally agree | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Agreed. It's appropriating genuine discrimination and suffering. You keep justifying the state coercing people into losing their medical autonomy. It’s gross. Sure am
I know. You’re in some pretty gross company throughout history. And yet you believe you’re the virtuous one. Crikey.
Think I’m kind of glad your types are staying at home to be honest! Lol." ok. Whatever you like. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross." This is where I disagree. I wanted to do the vaccine to,protect myself. In a way I was forced to do it as I could see a lot of wackos who did not take covid seriously. But I did not see it as losing my medical autonomy. I did not want to get seriously hospitalised (or at least significantly cut down the risk) and I took the situation in my hands by having the vaccine. I repeat, I took the situation in my hands. It is only people who do not want to get the vaccine who use words like segregation, apartheid, nazism etc to overdramatise the situation. They are a bit like drama queens. Sorry of this sounds a bit harsh but that’s the way it looks. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Agreed. It's appropriating genuine discrimination and suffering. You keep justifying the state coercing people into losing their medical autonomy. It’s gross. Sure am
I know. You’re in some pretty gross company throughout history. And yet you believe you’re the virtuous one. Crikey.
Think I’m kind of glad your types are staying at home to be honest! Lol.
ok. Whatever you like."I like living life, respecting people’s medical autonomy, and having fun. You should try it, it’s much better than staying in, supporting segregation, revelling in restrictions, removing medical autonomy, and living for years in fear. I had to pop to the bull ring in brum city centre one evening last week. It was so normal. I don’t know what you’d make of it. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross. This is where I disagree. I wanted to do the vaccine to,protect myself. In a way I was forced to do it as I could see a lot of wackos who did not take covid seriously. But I did not see it as losing my medical autonomy. I did not want to get seriously hospitalised (or at least significantly cut down the risk) and I took the situation in my hands by having the vaccine. I repeat, I took the situation in my hands. It is only people who do not want to get the vaccine who use words like segregation, apartheid, nazism etc to overdramatise the situation. They are a bit like drama queens. Sorry of this sounds a bit harsh but that’s the way it looks. " Yes. I feel no need to invoke the Nazis. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross. This is where I disagree. I wanted to do the vaccine to,protect myself. In a way I was forced to do it as I could see a lot of wackos who did not take covid seriously. But I did not see it as losing my medical autonomy. I did not want to get seriously hospitalised (or at least significantly cut down the risk) and I took the situation in my hands by having the vaccine. I repeat, I took the situation in my hands. It is only people who do not want to get the vaccine who use words like segregation, apartheid, nazism etc to overdramatise the situation. They are a bit like drama queens. Sorry of this sounds a bit harsh but that’s the way it looks. " Your first paragraph is how it should be. You made your own assessment. Spot on! The banning of people from places removes that choice. That’s what is gross. And there are many many people who have had the vaccine that are totally against banning people who haven’t. Makes me laugh that you’re classing people as drama queens who may be excluded from some places, yet the drama queens are those crying out for more restrictions and coercing vaccines on others to make them feel safe. You’re a drama queen and a fascist. Sorry if that sounds harsh but…. That’s how it looks! | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross. This is where I disagree. I wanted to do the vaccine to,protect myself. In a way I was forced to do it as I could see a lot of wackos who did not take covid seriously. But I did not see it as losing my medical autonomy. I did not want to get seriously hospitalised (or at least significantly cut down the risk) and I took the situation in my hands by having the vaccine. I repeat, I took the situation in my hands. It is only people who do not want to get the vaccine who use words like segregation, apartheid, nazism etc to overdramatise the situation. They are a bit like drama queens. Sorry of this sounds a bit harsh but that’s the way it looks. Yes. I feel no need to invoke the Nazis." Thats because you’re part way there, lol. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross. This is where I disagree. I wanted to do the vaccine to,protect myself. In a way I was forced to do it as I could see a lot of wackos who did not take covid seriously. But I did not see it as losing my medical autonomy. I did not want to get seriously hospitalised (or at least significantly cut down the risk) and I took the situation in my hands by having the vaccine. I repeat, I took the situation in my hands. It is only people who do not want to get the vaccine who use words like segregation, apartheid, nazism etc to overdramatise the situation. They are a bit like drama queens. Sorry of this sounds a bit harsh but that’s the way it looks. Yes. I feel no need to invoke the Nazis." I only mentioned because some antivaxxers are making use of this also. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross. This is where I disagree. I wanted to do the vaccine to,protect myself. In a way I was forced to do it as I could see a lot of wackos who did not take covid seriously. But I did not see it as losing my medical autonomy. I did not want to get seriously hospitalised (or at least significantly cut down the risk) and I took the situation in my hands by having the vaccine. I repeat, I took the situation in my hands. It is only people who do not want to get the vaccine who use words like segregation, apartheid, nazism etc to overdramatise the situation. They are a bit like drama queens. Sorry of this sounds a bit harsh but that’s the way it looks. Yes. I feel no need to invoke the Nazis. I only mentioned because some antivaxxers are making use of this also. " Are you really naive enough to think all those against segregation are anti vaxxers? Is it really so easy to divide society into two? Vaxxers and anti vaxxers? Is nuance lost on you? I’ll help you as it’s clear you’re struggling to get that it’s not black and white. There’s many people who don’t want this vaccine at present, but will in time. There’s many who have had tons of vaccines, but don’t want this one. There’s many many who have had the vaccine but don’t believe others should be coerced into it. Abc they’re all anti vaxxer? It’s so easy to see how propaganda works on people. Divide and rule, and suckers fall for it. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross. This is where I disagree. I wanted to do the vaccine to,protect myself. In a way I was forced to do it as I could see a lot of wackos who did not take covid seriously. But I did not see it as losing my medical autonomy. I did not want to get seriously hospitalised (or at least significantly cut down the risk) and I took the situation in my hands by having the vaccine. I repeat, I took the situation in my hands. It is only people who do not want to get the vaccine who use words like segregation, apartheid, nazism etc to overdramatise the situation. They are a bit like drama queens. Sorry of this sounds a bit harsh but that’s the way it looks. Your first paragraph is how it should be. You made your own assessment. Spot on! The banning of people from places removes that choice. That’s what is gross. And there are many many people who have had the vaccine that are totally against banning people who haven’t. Makes me laugh that you’re classing people as drama queens who may be excluded from some places, yet the drama queens are those crying out for more restrictions and coercing vaccines on others to make them feel safe. You’re a drama queen and a fascist. Sorry if that sounds harsh but…. That’s how it looks!" Thanks for that, but unlike real fascists I am not attacking physically people for not agreeing with my beliefs. Another inappropriate use of word, maybe you should check what the real fascists were doing. Then you will get a real idea how fascism really looks. Something more akin to what the 200 wackos did at the bbc and itv offices. Forcing their lunacy to other people with violence. The rule of the mob. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross. This is where I disagree. I wanted to do the vaccine to,protect myself. In a way I was forced to do it as I could see a lot of wackos who did not take covid seriously. But I did not see it as losing my medical autonomy. I did not want to get seriously hospitalised (or at least significantly cut down the risk) and I took the situation in my hands by having the vaccine. I repeat, I took the situation in my hands. It is only people who do not want to get the vaccine who use words like segregation, apartheid, nazism etc to overdramatise the situation. They are a bit like drama queens. Sorry of this sounds a bit harsh but that’s the way it looks. Your first paragraph is how it should be. You made your own assessment. Spot on! The banning of people from places removes that choice. That’s what is gross. And there are many many people who have had the vaccine that are totally against banning people who haven’t. Makes me laugh that you’re classing people as drama queens who may be excluded from some places, yet the drama queens are those crying out for more restrictions and coercing vaccines on others to make them feel safe. You’re a drama queen and a fascist. Sorry if that sounds harsh but…. That’s how it looks! Thanks for that, but unlike real fascists I am not attacking physically people for not agreeing with my beliefs. Another inappropriate use of word, maybe you should check what the real fascists were doing. Then you will get a real idea how fascism really looks. Something more akin to what the 200 wackos did at the bbc and itv offices. Forcing their lunacy to other people with violence. The rule of the mob. " You can have fascist elements without being a full blown 1939 nazi. I’m not saying you’re anywhere near that level, obviously. But you are up for forcing vaccines on people or they face consequences… not a nice look. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross. This is where I disagree. I wanted to do the vaccine to,protect myself. In a way I was forced to do it as I could see a lot of wackos who did not take covid seriously. But I did not see it as losing my medical autonomy. I did not want to get seriously hospitalised (or at least significantly cut down the risk) and I took the situation in my hands by having the vaccine. I repeat, I took the situation in my hands. It is only people who do not want to get the vaccine who use words like segregation, apartheid, nazism etc to overdramatise the situation. They are a bit like drama queens. Sorry of this sounds a bit harsh but that’s the way it looks. Your first paragraph is how it should be. You made your own assessment. Spot on! The banning of people from places removes that choice. That’s what is gross. And there are many many people who have had the vaccine that are totally against banning people who haven’t. Makes me laugh that you’re classing people as drama queens who may be excluded from some places, yet the drama queens are those crying out for more restrictions and coercing vaccines on others to make them feel safe. You’re a drama queen and a fascist. Sorry if that sounds harsh but…. That’s how it looks! Thanks for that, but unlike real fascists I am not attacking physically people for not agreeing with my beliefs. Another inappropriate use of word, maybe you should check what the real fascists were doing. Then you will get a real idea how fascism really looks. Something more akin to what the 200 wackos did at the bbc and itv offices. Forcing their lunacy to other people with violence. The rule of the mob. You can have fascist elements without being a full blown 1939 nazi. I’m not saying you’re anywhere near that level, obviously. But you are up for forcing vaccines on people or they face consequences… not a nice look." I am not forcing vaccines on anyone. They are not my vaccines. And I did not decide on the consequences. It made the choice to have the vaccines long before the consequences came into the picture. And thankfully, I am exempt from these consequences. You made a different choice. Up to you if you want to wait 6 months or 16 months or forever. In the meantime though, you will have to face some consequences. And you have to accept these consequences. It is not segregation, it is not fascism. The majority of people do not see these consequences as such. It is something which you will have to get used to it and live with it for the foreseeable future. Where is your motto? Get on with live and make the most of it? You do not seem to do that when you sound so angry? | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross. This is where I disagree. I wanted to do the vaccine to,protect myself. In a way I was forced to do it as I could see a lot of wackos who did not take covid seriously. But I did not see it as losing my medical autonomy. I did not want to get seriously hospitalised (or at least significantly cut down the risk) and I took the situation in my hands by having the vaccine. I repeat, I took the situation in my hands. It is only people who do not want to get the vaccine who use words like segregation, apartheid, nazism etc to overdramatise the situation. They are a bit like drama queens. Sorry of this sounds a bit harsh but that’s the way it looks. Your first paragraph is how it should be. You made your own assessment. Spot on! The banning of people from places removes that choice. That’s what is gross. And there are many many people who have had the vaccine that are totally against banning people who haven’t. Makes me laugh that you’re classing people as drama queens who may be excluded from some places, yet the drama queens are those crying out for more restrictions and coercing vaccines on others to make them feel safe. You’re a drama queen and a fascist. Sorry if that sounds harsh but…. That’s how it looks! Thanks for that, but unlike real fascists I am not attacking physically people for not agreeing with my beliefs. Another inappropriate use of word, maybe you should check what the real fascists were doing. Then you will get a real idea how fascism really looks. Something more akin to what the 200 wackos did at the bbc and itv offices. Forcing their lunacy to other people with violence. The rule of the mob. You can have fascist elements without being a full blown 1939 nazi. I’m not saying you’re anywhere near that level, obviously. But you are up for forcing vaccines on people or they face consequences… not a nice look. I am not forcing vaccines on anyone. They are not my vaccines. And I did not decide on the consequences. It made the choice to have the vaccines long before the consequences came into the picture. And thankfully, I am exempt from these consequences. You made a different choice. Up to you if you want to wait 6 months or 16 months or forever. In the meantime though, you will have to face some consequences. And you have to accept these consequences. It is not segregation, it is not fascism. The majority of people do not see these consequences as such. It is something which you will have to get used to it and live with it for the foreseeable future. Where is your motto? Get on with live and make the most of it? You do not seem to do that when you sound so angry?" I said “up for forcing”… in other words supporting it. The best thing about this is you don’t know if I’ve had the vaccine! Lol. You’ve assumed, as I’m totally against passports. But there you go, you’ve fallen for the divide and rule…. I hope, and suspect, that there will be no consequences in the end for anyone who chooses not to have it. I suspect that a negative test will be an alternative, which excludes no one, and is the right thing to do. I’m not angry in the slightest, I just despise segregating people and removing their medical autonomy. You are so far gone there’s no turning back for you. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross. This is where I disagree. I wanted to do the vaccine to,protect myself. In a way I was forced to do it as I could see a lot of wackos who did not take covid seriously. But I did not see it as losing my medical autonomy. I did not want to get seriously hospitalised (or at least significantly cut down the risk) and I took the situation in my hands by having the vaccine. I repeat, I took the situation in my hands. It is only people who do not want to get the vaccine who use words like segregation, apartheid, nazism etc to overdramatise the situation. They are a bit like drama queens. Sorry of this sounds a bit harsh but that’s the way it looks. Your first paragraph is how it should be. You made your own assessment. Spot on! The banning of people from places removes that choice. That’s what is gross. And there are many many people who have had the vaccine that are totally against banning people who haven’t. Makes me laugh that you’re classing people as drama queens who may be excluded from some places, yet the drama queens are those crying out for more restrictions and coercing vaccines on others to make them feel safe. You’re a drama queen and a fascist. Sorry if that sounds harsh but…. That’s how it looks! Thanks for that, but unlike real fascists I am not attacking physically people for not agreeing with my beliefs. Another inappropriate use of word, maybe you should check what the real fascists were doing. Then you will get a real idea how fascism really looks. Something more akin to what the 200 wackos did at the bbc and itv offices. Forcing their lunacy to other people with violence. The rule of the mob. You can have fascist elements without being a full blown 1939 nazi. I’m not saying you’re anywhere near that level, obviously. But you are up for forcing vaccines on people or they face consequences… not a nice look. I am not forcing vaccines on anyone. They are not my vaccines. And I did not decide on the consequences. It made the choice to have the vaccines long before the consequences came into the picture. And thankfully, I am exempt from these consequences. You made a different choice. Up to you if you want to wait 6 months or 16 months or forever. In the meantime though, you will have to face some consequences. And you have to accept these consequences. It is not segregation, it is not fascism. The majority of people do not see these consequences as such. It is something which you will have to get used to it and live with it for the foreseeable future. Where is your motto? Get on with live and make the most of it? You do not seem to do that when you sound so angry? I said “up for forcing”… in other words supporting it. The best thing about this is you don’t know if I’ve had the vaccine! Lol. You’ve assumed, as I’m totally against passports. But there you go, you’ve fallen for the divide and rule…. I hope, and suspect, that there will be no consequences in the end for anyone who chooses not to have it. I suspect that a negative test will be an alternative, which excludes no one, and is the right thing to do. I’m not angry in the slightest, I just despise segregating people and removing their medical autonomy. You are so far gone there’s no turning back for you. " Not really, because I can not recall you were against passports. I believe that you havent been vaccinated but whether you have or not is not my problem. I am just staring at the reality or at least the possibility that you for whatever reason may be banned from some venues/activities or at least be asked for some extra tests. You are likely to be inconvenienced to say the least and this to the eyes of the majority is not segregation or fascism or whatever else comes to your mind. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross. This is where I disagree. I wanted to do the vaccine to,protect myself. In a way I was forced to do it as I could see a lot of wackos who did not take covid seriously. But I did not see it as losing my medical autonomy. I did not want to get seriously hospitalised (or at least significantly cut down the risk) and I took the situation in my hands by having the vaccine. I repeat, I took the situation in my hands. It is only people who do not want to get the vaccine who use words like segregation, apartheid, nazism etc to overdramatise the situation. They are a bit like drama queens. Sorry of this sounds a bit harsh but that’s the way it looks. Your first paragraph is how it should be. You made your own assessment. Spot on! The banning of people from places removes that choice. That’s what is gross. And there are many many people who have had the vaccine that are totally against banning people who haven’t. Makes me laugh that you’re classing people as drama queens who may be excluded from some places, yet the drama queens are those crying out for more restrictions and coercing vaccines on others to make them feel safe. You’re a drama queen and a fascist. Sorry if that sounds harsh but…. That’s how it looks! Thanks for that, but unlike real fascists I am not attacking physically people for not agreeing with my beliefs. Another inappropriate use of word, maybe you should check what the real fascists were doing. Then you will get a real idea how fascism really looks. Something more akin to what the 200 wackos did at the bbc and itv offices. Forcing their lunacy to other people with violence. The rule of the mob. You can have fascist elements without being a full blown 1939 nazi. I’m not saying you’re anywhere near that level, obviously. But you are up for forcing vaccines on people or they face consequences… not a nice look. I am not forcing vaccines on anyone. They are not my vaccines. And I did not decide on the consequences. It made the choice to have the vaccines long before the consequences came into the picture. And thankfully, I am exempt from these consequences. You made a different choice. Up to you if you want to wait 6 months or 16 months or forever. In the meantime though, you will have to face some consequences. And you have to accept these consequences. It is not segregation, it is not fascism. The majority of people do not see these consequences as such. It is something which you will have to get used to it and live with it for the foreseeable future. Where is your motto? Get on with live and make the most of it? You do not seem to do that when you sound so angry? I said “up for forcing”… in other words supporting it. The best thing about this is you don’t know if I’ve had the vaccine! Lol. You’ve assumed, as I’m totally against passports. But there you go, you’ve fallen for the divide and rule…. I hope, and suspect, that there will be no consequences in the end for anyone who chooses not to have it. I suspect that a negative test will be an alternative, which excludes no one, and is the right thing to do. I’m not angry in the slightest, I just despise segregating people and removing their medical autonomy. You are so far gone there’s no turning back for you. Not really, because I can not recall you were against passports. I believe that you havent been vaccinated but whether you have or not is not my problem. I am just staring at the reality or at least the possibility that you for whatever reason may be banned from some venues/activities or at least be asked for some extra tests. You are likely to be inconvenienced to say the least and this to the eyes of the majority is not segregation or fascism or whatever else comes to your mind. " Lol, my entire debating on here has been anti passports (without the option of a test). Literally my entire stance. I couldn’t care less if anyone else has the vaccine or not. It’s a very good choice for many people. “In the eyes of the majority….” Not one for minority rights then, as well as medical autonomy? The alternative of a test is a tiny inconvenience, and is totally reasonable. | |||
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"For similar reasons, this minority is using the word oppression when it comes to masks. But I do not think the majority use the word oppression. Nobody like wearing them but it complememts other measures. You may see segregation and oppression but the majority, at least in the UK and in Australia do not. I don’t see segregation. Long may that continue. Very glad you came to agree with me. I didn’t. I’ve never said segregation exists at the moment. Come October that may be different. And if it is, it’s disgusting. Should this happen, in what way do you think this segragation may take place in October? What have you read or heard? We’ve discussed this regarding the proposed banning of people from some places if they choose not to have the vaccine. It’s well documented in the news, as I’m sure you’re aware. Well, if you think that this will be segregation I think you are wrong. Because the vaccine is free and available to you anytime you want. Should you choose to have it, you wont have any issues in getting access to these places. Where there was true segregation in the past, for example in South Africa, the people who were segregated where segregated due to their race and not because they were not refusing to get vaccinated. So segregation is wrong choice of word. Too strong. Not appropriate. Nonsense. You’re justifying it. You’re giving people the choice of losing their medical autonomy or being segregated. It’s gross. This is where I disagree. I wanted to do the vaccine to,protect myself. In a way I was forced to do it as I could see a lot of wackos who did not take covid seriously. But I did not see it as losing my medical autonomy. I did not want to get seriously hospitalised (or at least significantly cut down the risk) and I took the situation in my hands by having the vaccine. I repeat, I took the situation in my hands. It is only people who do not want to get the vaccine who use words like segregation, apartheid, nazism etc to overdramatise the situation. They are a bit like drama queens. Sorry of this sounds a bit harsh but that’s the way it looks. Your first paragraph is how it should be. You made your own assessment. Spot on! The banning of people from places removes that choice. That’s what is gross. And there are many many people who have had the vaccine that are totally against banning people who haven’t. Makes me laugh that you’re classing people as drama queens who may be excluded from some places, yet the drama queens are those crying out for more restrictions and coercing vaccines on others to make them feel safe. You’re a drama queen and a fascist. Sorry if that sounds harsh but…. That’s how it looks! Thanks for that, but unlike real fascists I am not attacking physically people for not agreeing with my beliefs. Another inappropriate use of word, maybe you should check what the real fascists were doing. Then you will get a real idea how fascism really looks. Something more akin to what the 200 wackos did at the bbc and itv offices. Forcing their lunacy to other people with violence. The rule of the mob. You can have fascist elements without being a full blown 1939 nazi. I’m not saying you’re anywhere near that level, obviously. But you are up for forcing vaccines on people or they face consequences… not a nice look. I am not forcing vaccines on anyone. They are not my vaccines. And I did not decide on the consequences. It made the choice to have the vaccines long before the consequences came into the picture. And thankfully, I am exempt from these consequences. You made a different choice. Up to you if you want to wait 6 months or 16 months or forever. In the meantime though, you will have to face some consequences. And you have to accept these consequences. It is not segregation, it is not fascism. The majority of people do not see these consequences as such. It is something which you will have to get used to it and live with it for the foreseeable future. Where is your motto? Get on with live and make the most of it? You do not seem to do that when you sound so angry? I said “up for forcing”… in other words supporting it. The best thing about this is you don’t know if I’ve had the vaccine! Lol. You’ve assumed, as I’m totally against passports. But there you go, you’ve fallen for the divide and rule…. I hope, and suspect, that there will be no consequences in the end for anyone who chooses not to have it. I suspect that a negative test will be an alternative, which excludes no one, and is the right thing to do. I’m not angry in the slightest, I just despise segregating people and removing their medical autonomy. You are so far gone there’s no turning back for you. Not really, because I can not recall you were against passports. I believe that you havent been vaccinated but whether you have or not is not my problem. I am just staring at the reality or at least the possibility that you for whatever reason may be banned from some venues/activities or at least be asked for some extra tests. You are likely to be inconvenienced to say the least and this to the eyes of the majority is not segregation or fascism or whatever else comes to your mind. Lol, my entire debating on here has been anti passports (without the option of a test). Literally my entire stance. I couldn’t care less if anyone else has the vaccine or not. It’s a very good choice for many people. “In the eyes of the majority….” Not one for minority rights then, as well as medical autonomy? The alternative of a test is a tiny inconvenience, and is totally reasonable." Well in the eyes of the majority, I exercised my medical autonomy. I took an action for myself 
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … Yes, the police there look like something out of star wars. I have always said that they have been "outrageous" during lockdown they also sprayed anyone during the other protest and one police was going from left to right very quickly, almost like they were afraid of something, it was on the news too. .... and firing rubber bullets at a crowd of protestors. Anyone with covid and isolating has to mark their home by displaying a notice. Parents are not permitted to accompanying their children for vaccination. Children have been forcibly removed from their parents." Yes. I saw they fire rubber bullets and used pepper spray to and yes. I heard about how they take the children from the parents which is not good, there seem to be a protest in melbourne too, alot of it can be seen on telegram as well. | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … Yes, the police there look like something out of star wars. I have always said that they have been "outrageous" during lockdown they also sprayed anyone during the other protest and one police was going from left to right very quickly, almost like they were afraid of something, it was on the news too. .... and firing rubber bullets at a crowd of protestors. Anyone with covid and isolating has to mark their home by displaying a notice. Parents are not permitted to accompanying their children for vaccination. Children have been forcibly removed from their parents.Yes. I saw they fire rubber bullets and used pepper spray to and yes. I heard about how they take the children from the parents which is not good, there seem to be a protest in melbourne too, alot of it can be seen on telegram as well." Just to confirm Shag, the report of the child being forcibly removed from the parent is true, but it is not related to Covid infection. The other reports mentioned are correct | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2021/aug/24/uk-music-vaccine-passports-event-insurance Quote from article: In the UK, Toby Leighton-Pope, co-CEO of the UK arm of AEG, said he thinks the “industry standard” of entry with either vaccine, recovery or negative test is likely to remain the case, as long as it’s what artists want. There’s evidence that this is supported by the general public, too. A recent Music Venue Trust survey said that just 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options displaying vaccination, testing or immunity was more strongly supported. So it appears the majority do not support it in terms of live music. Only 2.1%. The majority favour the option of a test. Totally reasonable and no segregation "The majority want more than that. https://www.musicweek.com/live/read/music-venue-trust-reveals-survey-results-for-first-month-of-reopening/083968 The Music Venue Trust has revealed the results of a series of surveys during the first month of the full capacity reopening of grassroots music venues. A total of 1,891 people who normally attended live music events prior to the Covid-19 crisis took part in an audience survey assessing attitudes about the return of gigs, including asking what precautions people had taken, or would like to see taken, around their visits to live music events. The findings showed that 91.3% of attendees had chosen to take an additional personal precaution to support their safety; double vaccination, testing or immunity, with 36.8% of attendees taking more than one precaution. Moreover, 76.3% of people attending live music events are double vaccinated (compared to 61.3% for the general population) and 8.9% of live music fans wanted to see mandatory certification of health status as a condition of entry to grassroots music venues. However, only 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options, displaying vaccination, testing or immunity, was more strongly supported. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2021/aug/24/uk-music-vaccine-passports-event-insurance Quote from article: In the UK, Toby Leighton-Pope, co-CEO of the UK arm of AEG, said he thinks the “industry standard” of entry with either vaccine, recovery or negative test is likely to remain the case, as long as it’s what artists want. There’s evidence that this is supported by the general public, too. A recent Music Venue Trust survey said that just 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options displaying vaccination, testing or immunity was more strongly supported. So it appears the majority do not support it in terms of live music. Only 2.1%. The majority favour the option of a test. Totally reasonable and no segregation
The majority want more than that. https://www.musicweek.com/live/read/music-venue-trust-reveals-survey-results-for-first-month-of-reopening/083968
The Music Venue Trust has revealed the results of a series of surveys during the first month of the full capacity reopening of grassroots music venues.
A total of 1,891 people who normally attended live music events prior to the Covid-19 crisis took part in an audience survey assessing attitudes about the return of gigs, including asking what precautions people had taken, or would like to see taken, around their visits to live music events.
The findings showed that 91.3% of attendees had chosen to take an additional personal precaution to support their safety; double vaccination, testing or immunity, with 36.8% of attendees taking more than one precaution. Moreover, 76.3% of people attending live music events are double vaccinated (compared to 61.3% for the general population) and 8.9% of live music fans wanted to see mandatory certification of health status as a condition of entry to grassroots music venues.
However, only 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options, displaying vaccination, testing or immunity, was more strongly supported."You’ve literally just posted an article that supported my stance! That most want the option of a test instead. Cheers | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2021/aug/24/uk-music-vaccine-passports-event-insurance Quote from article: In the UK, Toby Leighton-Pope, co-CEO of the UK arm of AEG, said he thinks the “industry standard” of entry with either vaccine, recovery or negative test is likely to remain the case, as long as it’s what artists want. There’s evidence that this is supported by the general public, too. A recent Music Venue Trust survey said that just 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options displaying vaccination, testing or immunity was more strongly supported. So it appears the majority do not support it in terms of live music. Only 2.1%. The majority favour the option of a test. Totally reasonable and no segregation "Additionally from https://musicvenuetrust.com/2021/08/the-state-of-the-live-nation/ 76.3% of people attending live music events are double vaccinated, substantially higher than the double vaccination rate for the general population (61.3%) 91.6% of live music fans will have been vaccinated by the end of September if they complete their vaccination programme, substantially higher than predicted for the general population (77.9%) 8.9% of live music fans wanted to see mandatory certification of health status as a condition of entry to Grassroots Music Venues | |||
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"The fact the country has turned into a medical police state, something out of a dystopian sci-fi movie." Yes and what I think that we are witnessing in austrailia is the fall of democracy and transitioning into a police state there. | |||
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"The fact the country has turned into a medical police state, something out of a dystopian sci-fi movie.Yes and what I think that we are witnessing in austrailia is the fall of democracy and transitioning into a police state there." That's... farcical. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2021/aug/24/uk-music-vaccine-passports-event-insurance Quote from article: In the UK, Toby Leighton-Pope, co-CEO of the UK arm of AEG, said he thinks the “industry standard” of entry with either vaccine, recovery or negative test is likely to remain the case, as long as it’s what artists want. There’s evidence that this is supported by the general public, too. A recent Music Venue Trust survey said that just 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options displaying vaccination, testing or immunity was more strongly supported. So it appears the majority do not support it in terms of live music. Only 2.1%. The majority favour the option of a test. Totally reasonable and no segregation
The majority want more than that. https://www.musicweek.com/live/read/music-venue-trust-reveals-survey-results-for-first-month-of-reopening/083968
The Music Venue Trust has revealed the results of a series of surveys during the first month of the full capacity reopening of grassroots music venues.
A total of 1,891 people who normally attended live music events prior to the Covid-19 crisis took part in an audience survey assessing attitudes about the return of gigs, including asking what precautions people had taken, or would like to see taken, around their visits to live music events.
The findings showed that 91.3% of attendees had chosen to take an additional personal precaution to support their safety; double vaccination, testing or immunity, with 36.8% of attendees taking more than one precaution. Moreover, 76.3% of people attending live music events are double vaccinated (compared to 61.3% for the general population) and 8.9% of live music fans wanted to see mandatory certification of health status as a condition of entry to grassroots music venues.
However, only 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options, displaying vaccination, testing or immunity, was more strongly supported.
You’ve literally just posted an article that supported my stance! That most want the option of a test instead. Cheers "You are welcome. Majority of the respondents are double vaccinated and by September over 90% will be vaccinated. So very few will voice being segregated if for any reason they can not attend. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2021/aug/24/uk-music-vaccine-passports-event-insurance Quote from article: In the UK, Toby Leighton-Pope, co-CEO of the UK arm of AEG, said he thinks the “industry standard” of entry with either vaccine, recovery or negative test is likely to remain the case, as long as it’s what artists want. There’s evidence that this is supported by the general public, too. A recent Music Venue Trust survey said that just 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options displaying vaccination, testing or immunity was more strongly supported. So it appears the majority do not support it in terms of live music. Only 2.1%. The majority favour the option of a test. Totally reasonable and no segregation
Additionally from https://musicvenuetrust.com/2021/08/the-state-of-the-live-nation/
76.3% of people attending live music events are double vaccinated, substantially higher than the double vaccination rate for the general population (61.3%)
91.6% of live music fans will have been vaccinated by the end of September if they complete their vaccination programme, substantially higher than predicted for the general population (77.9%)
8.9% of live music fans wanted to see mandatory certification of health status as a condition of entry to Grassroots Music Venues
"And only 2.1% support vaccination only as condition of entry. Cheers for the links, they agree with my stance that negative test should be an alternative | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2021/aug/24/uk-music-vaccine-passports-event-insurance Quote from article: In the UK, Toby Leighton-Pope, co-CEO of the UK arm of AEG, said he thinks the “industry standard” of entry with either vaccine, recovery or negative test is likely to remain the case, as long as it’s what artists want. There’s evidence that this is supported by the general public, too. A recent Music Venue Trust survey said that just 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options displaying vaccination, testing or immunity was more strongly supported. So it appears the majority do not support it in terms of live music. Only 2.1%. The majority favour the option of a test. Totally reasonable and no segregation
The majority want more than that. https://www.musicweek.com/live/read/music-venue-trust-reveals-survey-results-for-first-month-of-reopening/083968
The Music Venue Trust has revealed the results of a series of surveys during the first month of the full capacity reopening of grassroots music venues.
A total of 1,891 people who normally attended live music events prior to the Covid-19 crisis took part in an audience survey assessing attitudes about the return of gigs, including asking what precautions people had taken, or would like to see taken, around their visits to live music events.
The findings showed that 91.3% of attendees had chosen to take an additional personal precaution to support their safety; double vaccination, testing or immunity, with 36.8% of attendees taking more than one precaution. Moreover, 76.3% of people attending live music events are double vaccinated (compared to 61.3% for the general population) and 8.9% of live music fans wanted to see mandatory certification of health status as a condition of entry to grassroots music venues.
However, only 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options, displaying vaccination, testing or immunity, was more strongly supported.
You’ve literally just posted an article that supported my stance! That most want the option of a test instead. Cheers
You are welcome. Majority of the respondents are double vaccinated and by September over 90% will be vaccinated. So very few will voice being segregated if for any reason they can not attend."Lol, yet they have done in the link you provided. Literally supported the alternative of a test in the vast majority, whether double vaxxed or not. Like I said, most who have had the vaccine do not believe it should be the only way of getting in. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2021/aug/24/uk-music-vaccine-passports-event-insurance Quote from article: In the UK, Toby Leighton-Pope, co-CEO of the UK arm of AEG, said he thinks the “industry standard” of entry with either vaccine, recovery or negative test is likely to remain the case, as long as it’s what artists want. There’s evidence that this is supported by the general public, too. A recent Music Venue Trust survey said that just 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options displaying vaccination, testing or immunity was more strongly supported. So it appears the majority do not support it in terms of live music. Only 2.1%. The majority favour the option of a test. Totally reasonable and no segregation
Additionally from https://musicvenuetrust.com/2021/08/the-state-of-the-live-nation/
76.3% of people attending live music events are double vaccinated, substantially higher than the double vaccination rate for the general population (61.3%)
91.6% of live music fans will have been vaccinated by the end of September if they complete their vaccination programme, substantially higher than predicted for the general population (77.9%)
8.9% of live music fans wanted to see mandatory certification of health status as a condition of entry to Grassroots Music Venues
And only 2.1% support vaccination only as condition of entry. Cheers for the links, they agree with my stance that negative test should be an alternative "Yes, and 90% of the respondents chose to make use of their medical autonomy by having the vaccine. | |||
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"The fact the country has turned into a medical police state, something out of a dystopian sci-fi movie.Yes and what I think that we are witnessing in austrailia is the fall of democracy and transitioning into a police state there. That's... farcical." Yes, it can be that too. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2021/aug/24/uk-music-vaccine-passports-event-insurance Quote from article: In the UK, Toby Leighton-Pope, co-CEO of the UK arm of AEG, said he thinks the “industry standard” of entry with either vaccine, recovery or negative test is likely to remain the case, as long as it’s what artists want. There’s evidence that this is supported by the general public, too. A recent Music Venue Trust survey said that just 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options displaying vaccination, testing or immunity was more strongly supported. So it appears the majority do not support it in terms of live music. Only 2.1%. The majority favour the option of a test. Totally reasonable and no segregation
Additionally from https://musicvenuetrust.com/2021/08/the-state-of-the-live-nation/
76.3% of people attending live music events are double vaccinated, substantially higher than the double vaccination rate for the general population (61.3%)
91.6% of live music fans will have been vaccinated by the end of September if they complete their vaccination programme, substantially higher than predicted for the general population (77.9%)
8.9% of live music fans wanted to see mandatory certification of health status as a condition of entry to Grassroots Music Venues
And only 2.1% support vaccination only as condition of entry. Cheers for the links, they agree with my stance that negative test should be an alternative
Yes, and 90% of the respondents chose to make use of their medical autonomy by having the vaccine. "Which is great! And it’s fine if you make use of your medical autonomy to not have it if you wish. Both are fine. And as the articles you linked show, the vast majority want a negative test to remain an option instead. Then no one is excluded. Thanks for the links which support my stance | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2021/aug/24/uk-music-vaccine-passports-event-insurance Quote from article: In the UK, Toby Leighton-Pope, co-CEO of the UK arm of AEG, said he thinks the “industry standard” of entry with either vaccine, recovery or negative test is likely to remain the case, as long as it’s what artists want. There’s evidence that this is supported by the general public, too. A recent Music Venue Trust survey said that just 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options displaying vaccination, testing or immunity was more strongly supported. So it appears the majority do not support it in terms of live music. Only 2.1%. The majority favour the option of a test. Totally reasonable and no segregation
Additionally from https://musicvenuetrust.com/2021/08/the-state-of-the-live-nation/
76.3% of people attending live music events are double vaccinated, substantially higher than the double vaccination rate for the general population (61.3%)
91.6% of live music fans will have been vaccinated by the end of September if they complete their vaccination programme, substantially higher than predicted for the general population (77.9%)
8.9% of live music fans wanted to see mandatory certification of health status as a condition of entry to Grassroots Music Venues
And only 2.1% support vaccination only as condition of entry. Cheers for the links, they agree with my stance that negative test should be an alternative
Yes, and 90% of the respondents chose to make use of their medical autonomy by having the vaccine.
Which is great! And it’s fine if you make use of your medical autonomy to not have it if you wish. Both are fine. And as the articles you linked show, the vast majority want a negative test to remain an option instead. Then no one is excluded. Thanks for the links which support my stance "You are most welcome. But whether unvaxxinated will be able to attend is something that the government will decide. And should you get excluded, most of us double vaxxed (including the respondents in this survey) will not consider the people who did not have the vaccine as being segregated. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2021/aug/24/uk-music-vaccine-passports-event-insurance Quote from article: In the UK, Toby Leighton-Pope, co-CEO of the UK arm of AEG, said he thinks the “industry standard” of entry with either vaccine, recovery or negative test is likely to remain the case, as long as it’s what artists want. There’s evidence that this is supported by the general public, too. A recent Music Venue Trust survey said that just 2.1% of live music fans wanted to see certified double vaccination as the sole mandatory condition of entry. A mix of mandatory certification options displaying vaccination, testing or immunity was more strongly supported. So it appears the majority do not support it in terms of live music. Only 2.1%. The majority favour the option of a test. Totally reasonable and no segregation
Additionally from https://musicvenuetrust.com/2021/08/the-state-of-the-live-nation/
76.3% of people attending live music events are double vaccinated, substantially higher than the double vaccination rate for the general population (61.3%)
91.6% of live music fans will have been vaccinated by the end of September if they complete their vaccination programme, substantially higher than predicted for the general population (77.9%)
8.9% of live music fans wanted to see mandatory certification of health status as a condition of entry to Grassroots Music Venues
And only 2.1% support vaccination only as condition of entry. Cheers for the links, they agree with my stance that negative test should be an alternative
Yes, and 90% of the respondents chose to make use of their medical autonomy by having the vaccine.
Which is great! And it’s fine if you make use of your medical autonomy to not have it if you wish. Both are fine. And as the articles you linked show, the vast majority want a negative test to remain an option instead. Then no one is excluded. Thanks for the links which support my stance
You are most welcome. But whether unvaxxinated will be able to attend is something that the government will decide. And should you get excluded, most of us double vaxxed (including the respondents in this survey) will not consider the people who did not have the vaccine as being segregated. "How on earth do you know what they’ll think? Mind reader are you?! Lol. I wonder why the vast majority therefore believe the option of a test should be there? There must be a reason… | |||
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"The fact the country has turned into a medical police state, something out of a dystopian sci-fi movie.Yes and what I think that we are witnessing in austrailia is the fall of democracy and transitioning into a police state there. That's... farcical.Yes, it can be that too."
Another NSW gov press conference - Gladys Berejiklian announcing that there is no return to normal life - even if there are no COVID cases and 80% of the population are vaccinated, social distancing and restrictions will remain for good ...
David Elliott Minister for Police & Emergency Services instructing people to report friends and family who attend any protest...
Australian government building mandatory "quarantine camps" - being used for the detention of covid positives who they are hunting down and removing to these camps...
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"The fact the country has turned into a medical police state, something out of a dystopian sci-fi movie.Yes and what I think that we are witnessing in austrailia is the fall of democracy and transitioning into a police state there." Yes there was a documentary, what was it called? "Mad Max", that was it | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps
It would appear the video of a covid positive child being forcibly removed from their parent was not connected with Covid, but was in fact related to another matter.
The vaccination of 24,000 children without parents present, the wanton destruction of the puppies, Covid positive homes to be marked, shooting rubber bullets - all verifiable via the Australian news outlets.
Yes please quote your sources...
I’ll happily read them.
You need to redact your statement on children being forcibly removed from their parents though
I corrected the report of the forcibly removed child in the post you replied to.
- 24,000 children vaccination - press conference by nsw.gov.au (just for clarity I didn't suggest the vaccinations were being given against their will, just that the person delivering the press conference indicated that no parents would be permitted to accompany their child)
- Rubber bullets being fired into protestors - Live coverage of the Melbourne Anti Lockdown protests - ABC News
- Puppies and dogs being destroyed - The Sydney Morning Herald
- Homes to be marked - 9News Adelaide
"Puppies/Dogs being euthanised at a shelter which is well over capacity, some of those dogs had shown aggression and were therefore not fit to be re-homed. That happens in England too you know! 15 dogs in total... a shelter that legally uses euthanasia, a shelter which was already over its capacity. No news there really! The point I’m making is that you’re sensationalism of these events is part of the propaganda issue! In the UK many many people had COVID positives signs at their house to protect visitors/posties/ delivery persons etc It’s not news... it’s common sense! | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel.
I shall speak as I choose, thank you.
If you don't like it, you're welcome not to read it. If you have a problem with how I spend my time, you're welcome to ignore me and mind your own business.
Enjoy your "freedom". I find it vile and segregationist and I'm glad Australia has not yet stooped to such barbarism.
Maybe drinkypoos football and holibobs are the new opiates of the masses.
I don’t have a problem with how you think, I just totally disagree with it. And I’m glad most are getting on with life.
Funny how you think living life is barbaric yet firing rubber bullets at protestors is virtuous. It’s incredible.
Sport, going out, and holidays are amongst the fun things in life that people have always done forever.
You spend your time as you wish, just let others do the same. Thankfully, most are.
And fortunately the Australian government is protecting its people.
Australians all, let us rejoice, for we are one and free
They’re protecting them from covid. They are not protecting them from anything else.
As for your last sentence, the covid religion has truly got you hasn’t it. All worship the cult! Lol." .spot on. | |||
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"From the country we’re discussing!..... First I’ve heard of it. The only kids that can have it have to be 12+ and be aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Otherwise it’s 16+ only So where is it saying that children are being forcibly removed from their parents??? Propaganda perhaps?? My family are in Australia and the takes on Australia here are... Some wild arse fear wanking fiction. I’m not aware of the parents and children thing over there. But on the subject of fear wanking…. A bit of self awareness perhaps
It would appear the video of a covid positive child being forcibly removed from their parent was not connected with Covid, but was in fact related to another matter.
The vaccination of 24,000 children without parents present, the wanton destruction of the puppies, Covid positive homes to be marked, shooting rubber bullets - all verifiable via the Australian news outlets.
Yes please quote your sources...
I’ll happily read them.
You need to redact your statement on children being forcibly removed from their parents though
I corrected the report of the forcibly removed child in the post you replied to.
- 24,000 children vaccination - press conference by nsw.gov.au (just for clarity I didn't suggest the vaccinations were being given against their will, just that the person delivering the press conference indicated that no parents would be permitted to accompany their child)
- Rubber bullets being fired into protestors - Live coverage of the Melbourne Anti Lockdown protests - ABC News
- Puppies and dogs being destroyed - The Sydney Morning Herald
- Homes to be marked - 9News Adelaide
Puppies/Dogs being euthanised at a shelter which is well over capacity, some of those dogs had shown aggression and were therefore not fit to be re-homed. That happens in England too you know!
15 dogs in total... a shelter that legally uses euthanasia, a shelter which was already over its capacity.
No news there really!
The point I’m making is that you’re sensationalism of these events is part of the propaganda issue!
In the UK many many people had COVID positives signs at their house to protect visitors/posties/ delivery persons etc
It’s not news... it’s common sense!
"No sensationalism on my part - these are press conferences given by government officials and events being reported in the Australian press and media. These outlets consider it news. (In the case of the dog killers, cover it up with whatever opinion or notion you have in your mind however, "the Office of Local Government has been informed that the council (Bourke Shire Council) decided to take this action to protect its employees and community from risk of COVID-19 transmission". They didn't want the volunteers collecting the dogs, so they shot them instead!) | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … Yes, the police there look like something out of star wars. I have always said that they have been "outrageous" during lockdown they also sprayed anyone during the other protest and one police was going from left to right very quickly, almost like they were afraid of something, it was on the news too. .... and firing rubber bullets at a crowd of protestors. Anyone with covid and isolating has to mark their home by displaying a notice. Parents are not permitted to accompanying their children for vaccination. Children have been forcibly removed from their parents.Yes. I saw they fire rubber bullets and used pepper spray to and yes. I heard about how they take the children from the parents which is not good, there seem to be a protest in melbourne too, alot of it can be seen on telegram as well. Just to confirm Shag, the report of the child being forcibly removed from the parent is true, but it is not related to Covid infection. The other reports mentioned are correct "I see yes, lets hope that the situation there will be better soon too | |||
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"Some people live in fear of imaginary government conspiracies, I choose not spend my life being afraid of shadows." Isn't that what non vaccinated are doing? Not living in fear of, or being afraid of, the shadow of covid? That's the message I get from those I speak to. Not a mention of conspiracies. I respect their choice and their reasoning behind it. | |||
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"One of my friends in the middle of Sydney posted a quote by Nelson Mandela. "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." In the UK we are prioritising the protected, the strong, and the unafraid. In Australia they're protecting health. I consider the UK unfree, just in a different, more pernicious way. "I'm fine so fuck you" is not any freedom I want anything to do with. So caring about the vulnerable makes me a vile segregationist authoritarian fascist, I'm sure. Double plus ungood
Nope, in Australia they’re protecting against covid over all other aspects of health, including mental health.
Caring about the vulnerable doesn’t make you a fascist. Segregating society does. The vulnerable have been vaccinated, if we can’t get on with life now, we never will. I say we, some never will. They’re too far gone, life is simply covid covid covid to them. That comes above everything…..
Live life while you’re here, get the jab if you’re worried, don’t if you don’t want to. But live life, or there’s no point.
I'm living my life. Living my values.
If the only version of freedom is the one you're espousing, then I'll fight against freedom until my dying day. You can shove it.
I do not value my freedom if it is at the expense of others. I take my communal responsibility seriously. And I fear that we've forgotten that.
Lol. My version of freedom is enjoying life and not segregating society. And you say I can shove it? Lol, you’re too far gone. I got to admit I feel sorry for you.
It’s not at the expense of others. The vaccine is available to all. Get it if you’re worried. The vaccine is to help us to return to normal. Most people are doing that. Bars, nightclubs, footy grounds, restaurants… all full of people living life.
So if you want to “shove” that version of freedom and let covid dictate your life while sitting all day every day on a covid forum, go for it! But spare us the sanctimonious high horse drivel."As my grandma says…. The freedom to swing your arms about ends at the point it touches your nose…. I think it’s interesting you talk about freedom… 147 people died today… Australians probably look at and think “how the fuck do you let that happen…..” to which people still proudly scream “freedom!” The other issue is we have vaccines… only 15% of Australians are fully vaccinated, and they can’t get the shipments in to ramp up the programme.. | |||
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"People that are afraid of covid should just stay at home forever and let the rest of us get on with life. "People that are afraid of being vaccinated against Covid should just stay at home forever and let the vast majority of us get on with life. | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … " Nice people eh!, absolute cretins | |||
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"People that are afraid of covid should just stay at home forever and let the rest of us get on with life.
People that are afraid of being vaccinated against Covid should just stay at home forever and let the vast majority of us get on with life."They need to stop hiding behind the sofa, put their grown up pants on, and get vaccinated like brave boys and girls. | |||
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"But have any of you been over to Australia to see it with your own eyes ? " My family are there and I hear about it regularly. No I'm not there, but I trust my family and childhood friends over hot takes in the British media. | |||
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"People that are afraid of covid should just stay at home forever and let the rest of us get on with life.
People that are afraid of being vaccinated against Covid should just stay at home forever and let the vast majority of us get on with life.
They need to stop hiding behind the sofa, put their grown up pants on, and get vaccinated like brave boys and girls."Interesting to think the unvaccinated are hiding …. Interesting to think that the unvaccinated are afraid … I suspect that the unvaccinated are also not afraid of Covid. The only difference it appears between vaccinated and non vaccinated is the vaccinated may be at a lower risk to be hospitalised, it can still be caught and passed on, and also still have a possibility of ending up In hospital, what’s everyone fighting about again… Maybe the unvaccinated have yet to say thank you to the vaccinated for offering their bodies to science as test subjects  its lucky so many have because We would not want it to effect the future of human freedoms
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"But have any of you been over to Australia to see it with your own eyes ? My family are there and I hear about it regularly. No I'm not there, but I trust my family and childhood friends over hot takes in the British media." But you haven’t been there and you haven’t experienced the situation personally yourself ? | |||
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"But have any of you been over to Australia to see it with your own eyes ? My family are there and I hear about it regularly. No I'm not there, but I trust my family and childhood friends over hot takes in the British media. But you haven’t been there and you haven’t experienced the situation personally yourself ? " Nope. I've not been in Australia in over six years. | |||
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"When you feel it yourself and see it with your own eyes then you will understand the reaction of the people there, From flight to quarantine you are with police on every floor they have police, they know where every person is, yet still it came into the country the government are embarrassed because their borders are not as secure as they thought, and the people are now paying a very very heavy price, shops are empty, when people have nothing they will fight a fight hard they will, why do you think the army is on the street, and free speech and reporting is being suppressed, it’s serious really serious, " Lol, ok. I'll keep listening to people I've known all my life. You keep listening to your... Fear mongering wank stories. | |||
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"Lol your replies on most of the forums seems to end that way with many people whom you don’t like their straight reply , why didn’t you just say shut up because you stink or something else less childish. No it’s not fear mongering, it’s fact of the situation , some of us may have just come back from there … some of us have seen what going on, " Have you really? On what grounds did you get in or out?
I didn't realise "fact" meant "making shit up". I'm sorry if you find that childish, but I find it utterly wild that with one of the highest case rates and death rates in the world, and protracted lockdowns far exceeding anything anyone in any Australian jurisdiction has faced, some circles are now talking about the failures of Australia.
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"What they have done is closed their borders, the wolf is at their door, and will always be at their door, even if and when the population get vaccinated how are they going to open their borders, this is going to be a long time and with huge consequence to the country. And now it’s in the way they want to stamp it out and stamp it out heavily brushing aside all other aspects of life, you have to let your children go out into the big bad world at some point and learn how to deal with consequence of their actions good or bad, and that it will effect others, that is a fact of life, not keep them inside and tell them they will die if they go outside. Humans have faced this time and time again, and we are here to tell this story so far. " Yes, they closed their borders. That's not the story you were telling not that long ago. As to the rest - ok. I don't buy your hypothesis, but time will tell. | |||
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"The grounds of all the travel are for me to keep, But I have seen, I am aware, Australia has done well till now to keep it out, but many suspect it was the wrong stance and the effect are coming to them now, heavily from infection to lockdowns. It’s hitting businesses hard and people harder. " You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. | |||
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"I think for now they allow 3k people into Australia a week was 6k until 6 weeks ago But special visa requirements are required and quarantine cannot be avoided for any reason you are chaperoned by police from airport to the room you will stay in with police on every floor. " Good. Better than the piss poor half measures here. | |||
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"The grounds of all the travel are for me to keep, But I have seen, I am aware, Australia has done well till now to keep it out, but many suspect it was the wrong stance and the effect are coming to them now, heavily from infection to lockdowns. It’s hitting businesses hard and people harder. You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better." Telling myself …? it’s what I see it what I spoke about with people while there, | |||
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"When you feel it yourself and see it with your own eyes then you will understand the reaction of the people there, From flight to quarantine you are with police on every floor they have police, they know where every person is, yet still it came into the country the government are embarrassed because their borders are not as secure as they thought, and the people are now paying a very very heavy price, shops are empty, when people have nothing they will fight a fight hard they will, why do you think the army is on the street, and free speech and reporting is being suppressed, it’s serious really serious, " Have you seen it with your own eyes then? Given that Australia has been effectively closed to almost everyone for more than 18 months now. Other than Australian citizens stuck out in the wider world who are allowed a one way trip to get back home (at great expense, almost impossible to book a place, and full quarantine period etc required), there is no tourism allowed and almost no business visits allowed. Interested to know how you have better knowledge of the situation down under than an Australian who is in daily contact with their family on the spot in this supposed "storm trooper police state". | |||
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"The grounds of all the travel are for me to keep, But I have seen, I am aware, Australia has done well till now to keep it out, but many suspect it was the wrong stance and the effect are coming to them now, heavily from infection to lockdowns. It’s hitting businesses hard and people harder. " Over total period of pandemic: New Zealand - 3 covid deaths per million population. Australia - 23 covid deaths per million population. United Kingdom - almost 2000 covid deaths per million. Really does look like the antipodeans have fucked up royally with their pandemic control measures. How utterly crazy that they should attempt to get everyone vaccinated BEFORE allowing the possibility of the virus to enter their countries. Just think how stupid they must feel having had their freedom for nearly all of the last 18 months, being able to look forwards to re-opening their borders soon, and not having had over a hundred thousand dying in agony... | |||
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either way, the fact is now Australia are now going to go through it, what ever they have done has not worked, so now let’s beat everyone with a big stick and punish them. Death by lockdown or death by virus, could be worse I guess. Luckily they don’t have the deadliest animals in the world too that would be terrible. If they did the must eradicate all of them too…..
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"2000? With or of,…. either way, the fact is now Australia are now going to go through it, what ever they have done has not worked, so now let’s beat everyone with a big stick and punish them. Death by lockdown or death by virus, could be worse I guess. Luckily they don’t have the deadliest animals in the world too that would be terrible. If they did the must eradicate all of them too…..
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"The grounds of all the travel are for me to keep, But I have seen, I am aware, Australia has done well till now to keep it out, but many suspect it was the wrong stance and the effect are coming to them now, heavily from infection to lockdowns. It’s hitting businesses hard and people harder. Over total period of pandemic: New Zealand - 3 covid deaths per million population. Australia - 23 covid deaths per million population. United Kingdom - almost 2000 covid deaths per million. Really does look like the antipodeans have fucked up royally with their pandemic control measures. How utterly crazy that they should attempt to get everyone vaccinated BEFORE allowing the possibility of the virus to enter their countries. Just think how stupid they must feel having had their freedom for nearly all of the last 18 months, being able to look forwards to re-opening their borders soon, and not having had over a hundred thousand dying in agony..." How many did die from loneliness? How many died from overdose? How many suicides from pure desperation? How many died from untreated diseases? | |||
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" I wonder how things would be if there were no lockdowns, no closing of borders and no vaccines. Whether we could say that easily get on with life and enjoy life. I am not so sure. " Sweden …. | |||
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"Lol your replies on most of the forums seems to end that way with many people whom you don’t like their straight reply , why didn’t you just say shut up because you stink or something else less childish. No it’s not fear mongering, it’s fact of the situation , some of us may have just come back from there … some of us have seen what going on, Have you really? On what grounds did you get in or out?
I didn't realise "fact" meant "making shit up". I'm sorry if you find that childish, but I find it utterly wild that with one of the highest case rates and death rates in the world, and protracted lockdowns far exceeding anything anyone in any Australian jurisdiction has faced, some circles are now talking about the failures of Australia.
More civil liberties, less lockdowns, less economic destruction, less disease. How awful for them "
Another clever benefit that the people gain, is from the enormous wealth of evidence that's been amassed throughout the rest of the world, for treatments of the sick, as well as preventative strategies that work. People getting il from this point have more drugs that are known to work, preventing higher death rates etc.
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" I wonder how things would be if there were no lockdowns, no closing of borders and no vaccines. Whether we could say that easily get on with life and enjoy life. I am not so sure. Sweden …." We’re not allowed to talk about Sweden… or their excess death numbers | |||
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" I wonder how things would be if there were no lockdowns, no closing of borders and no vaccines. Whether we could say that easily get on with life and enjoy life. I am not so sure. Sweden …. We’re not allowed to talk about Sweden… or their excess death numbers " Of course you are allowed to talk about Sweden. But tell me also about some other countries like Sweden? Any other countries? Also, halfway the Swedish model was not considered a success. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/15/swedish-pm-says-officials-misjudged-power-of-covid-resurgence https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-opens-inquiry-into-coronavirus-strategy-of-no-lockdown-2020-7?r=US&IR=T | |||
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"Even the government iof Sweden admitted failure halfway. And then they took more strict measures. Maybe not as strict as the UK ones, but they did. AND they vaccinated their people. Thank God for the vaccines. And it worked for them. But they gambled. Just imagine if Boris had pursued the herd immunity at the beginning. It could have worked or spectacularly backfired," Sweden didn’t make it up, they followed the established plan in place. As a result they kept their society, education and health systems and economy fully functioning and are now in a much better place than the majority of the world to rebuild. We’ve yet to truly see the collateral damage our approach will have…but it’s not going to be pretty | |||
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"Even the government iof Sweden admitted failure halfway. And then they took more strict measures. Maybe not as strict as the UK ones, but they did. AND they vaccinated their people. Thank God for the vaccines. And it worked for them. But they gambled. Just imagine if Boris had pursued the herd immunity at the beginning. It could have worked or spectacularly backfired, Sweden didn’t make it up, they followed the established plan in place. As a result they kept their society, education and health systems and economy fully functioning and are now in a much better place than the majority of the world to rebuild. We’ve yet to truly see the collateral damage our approach will have…but it’s not going to be pretty " This would be the Sweden where the PM has just resigned, admitting that their strategy was a right royal cock up. | |||
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"Ok they already had a few, they blocked the harbour bridge at one point, not much different to how the french do it I guess, As long as when it’s all over the governments can be held accountable and justify with clarity every choice it’s made…. " Yes, they have already had few of them there too and yes, we we will see what will happen after it too | |||
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"Even the government iof Sweden admitted failure halfway. And then they took more strict measures. Maybe not as strict as the UK ones, but they did. AND they vaccinated their people. Thank God for the vaccines. And it worked for them. But they gambled. Just imagine if Boris had pursued the herd immunity at the beginning. It could have worked or spectacularly backfired, Sweden didn’t make it up, they followed the established plan in place. As a result they kept their society, education and health systems and economy fully functioning and are now in a much better place than the majority of the world to rebuild. We’ve yet to truly see the collateral damage our approach will have…but it’s not going to be pretty This would be the Sweden where the PM has just resigned, admitting that their strategy was a right royal cock up." Facts, eh? | |||
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"Even the government iof Sweden admitted failure halfway. And then they took more strict measures. Maybe not as strict as the UK ones, but they did. AND they vaccinated their people. Thank God for the vaccines. And it worked for them. But they gambled. Just imagine if Boris had pursued the herd immunity at the beginning. It could have worked or spectacularly backfired, Sweden didn’t make it up, they followed the established plan in place. As a result they kept their society, education and health systems and economy fully functioning and are now in a much better place than the majority of the world to rebuild. We’ve yet to truly see the collateral damage our approach will have…but it’s not going to be pretty This would be the Sweden where the PM has just resigned, admitting that their strategy was a right royal cock up." No it would be the Sweden where the outgoing PM said “But everything has an end and I want to leave my successor the very best conditions,” | |||
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"Even the government iof Sweden admitted failure halfway. And then they took more strict measures. Maybe not as strict as the UK ones, but they did. AND they vaccinated their people. Thank God for the vaccines. And it worked for them. But they gambled. Just imagine if Boris had pursued the herd immunity at the beginning. It could have worked or spectacularly backfired, Sweden didn’t make it up, they followed the established plan in place. As a result they kept their society, education and health systems and economy fully functioning and are now in a much better place than the majority of the world to rebuild. We’ve yet to truly see the collateral damage our approach will have…but it’s not going to be pretty This would be the Sweden where the PM has just resigned, admitting that their strategy was a right royal cock up. No it would be the Sweden where the outgoing PM said “But everything has an end and I want to leave my successor the very best conditions,” " This is what usually happens, the outgoing politician wishes the incoming one well, touting also his achievements. He was in power since 2014. With the exception of Trump who still thinks the election was stolen. | |||
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"... They didn't want the volunteers collecting the dogs, so they shot them instead!) The volunteers or the dogs? No prize for guessing which would cause the most public outcry."
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"Australia is a perfect example of a state exceeding it's given powers, where state controlled television can propagandise citizens into thinking it's in their own good, this isn't new, it's been used by authoritarian leaders for a hundred years and many states still do it. Individual freedom has been whittled away for decades sadly and I don't think we'll get them back as easily as We're lead to believe." Oh we’ll get our individual freedom back when the govt is overthrown and anarchy rules | |||
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"Australia is a perfect example of a state exceeding it's given powers, where state controlled television can propagandise citizens into thinking it's in their own good, this isn't new, it's been used by authoritarian leaders for a hundred years and many states still do it. Individual freedom has been whittled away for decades sadly and I don't think we'll get them back as easily as We're lead to believe." Can you name some of these freedoms we had decades ago which we don't now as i can only remember the freedoms the people didnt have that they have now. | |||
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"Maybe I can help put it into perspective, This of parents and children- parents being government, As a parent you want the child to learn what you want to teach them and have good intention of what you teach You own the child’s freedom and decide what they can and can’t do and what they learn and what activities. The child is free to play in their way within the boundaries that you set, free to play in a good way if they don’t they are reprimanded. Something taken away If you leave the child to play how do you know they will continue to play in a good way or not, you don’t - so you put a camera But this relies on you to be watching that camera and listening to them, you have more opportunity to see if they continue to play good so you catch more incidents and control them as you the government see fit. Imagine then you place on the child technology that can capture every details of their minds thoughts and intentions and that it can be interpreted so you capture the intention of not playing good…. If the child plays good it’s all fine, if it intends or plays with a child that I known to be bad you would know. Nothing so wrong here so far. But what if the parent decides that the they don’t want the child to play anymore, and that child can only sit and stare at a wall that’s what the parent seems as play, the parent have all the control in place required to deal with that child if it does not follow that parents instruction and will be punished. We are the children…. " yes but we are not living in china or north korea where you cant change your government when you want.Your so called parents are voted in and out by "the children" and are only in control as long as they want them to be. | |||
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"Australia is a perfect example of a state exceeding it's given powers, where state controlled television can propagandise citizens into thinking it's in their own good, this isn't new, it's been used by authoritarian leaders for a hundred years and many states still do it. Individual freedom has been whittled away for decades sadly and I don't think we'll get them back as easily as We're lead to believe.Can you name some of these freedoms we had decades ago which we don't now as i can only remember the freedoms the people didnt have that they have now." Freedom of assembly,habeus corpus being whittled away, freedom of speech, being held without trial for 90 days, even the act of being questioned by the police for a non crime wrong speech, the list in long and it's the frog in the pan being slowly warmed up syndrome. We've always maintained you have more to fear from your state than a stranger with a twisted ideology but we realise there's citizens that want protection from life and there preyed on by people in power. | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there?" It'll go down like a kangaroo in a billabong cobber | |||
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"Australia is a perfect example of a state exceeding it's given powers, where state controlled television can propagandise citizens into thinking it's in their own good, this isn't new, it's been used by authoritarian leaders for a hundred years and many states still do it. Individual freedom has been whittled away for decades sadly and I don't think we'll get them back as easily as We're lead to believe.Can you name some of these freedoms we had decades ago which we don't now as i can only remember the freedoms the people didnt have that they have now. Freedom of assembly,habeus corpus being whittled away, freedom of speech, being held without trial for 90 days, even the act of being questioned by the police for a non crime wrong speech, the list in long and it's the frog in the pan being slowly warmed up syndrome. We've always maintained you have more to fear from your state than a stranger with a twisted ideology but we realise there's citizens that want protection from life and there preyed on by people in power." How about all the freedoms gained women's rights, discrimination rights (of which there are many) 50 years ago you could be locked up for being gay for fuck sake etc etc. Freedom of speech? how has that been taken away unless you think people have the right to spread hate ,racism and homophobia.  | |||
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"Tomorrow there will be a massive protest in australia and truckers from all over the country will be blocking roads everywhere, how do you think the protest will go there? What do you think will happen Shag? Have you seen any other news reports from Australia on how they are dealing with/ enforcing the lockdowns?I am not sure what will happen and yes I have seen abit of how they are dealing with it from the news, like with with the police there, they have also deployed hundreds of soldiers to sydney to help to enforce it. The authorities also shot and killed dogs and puppies to prevent the volunteers collecting them from a dog rescue centre … " I’ve just read the story on this - it’s disgusting. To ‘protect the people against coronavirus ’ they chose to execute a number of dogs rather than transfer them to another town to be rehoused. The towns in question had had 1 covid case and 7 covid cases respectively - over a period of time - not at once. I have nothing but contempt for anyone who thinks this action is justifiable. Apparently the state authorities are now ‘considering’ whether the executions constituted animal cruelty. | |||
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