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Hundreds of anti-vaxx protesters have occupied the lobby of ITN London's headquarters after storming into the building. Up to 200 demonstrators have refused to leave the building and are demanding to speak to the broadcaster's bosses. The scenes come just moments after protesters hurled abuse at presenter Jon Snow as police officers tried to control the angry crowds outside the studio. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well"
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not? |
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It's almost surprising that they managed to get the right address, to successfully occupy the reception. As everyone knows, corporate receptions are extremely difficult to gain access to.  .
Couldn't they climb some TV transmitter somewhere, and have access to multiple stations simultaneously? They could even piss into the wind, having more contact with reality and spreading something of tangible substance. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not? "
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not? "
What would be the point? It’s just giving airtime to conspiracy theorists and delusionals, which can only have the effect of spreading nonsense towards and giving them credibility in the eyes of others who are susceptible to conspiracy theories and delusional talk. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
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Their theories will get debunked live on air, sorts the problem of conspiracy theories. These theories come up because they think theyre being silenced and covered up |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
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Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Their theories will get debunked live on air, sorts the problem of conspiracy theories. These theories come up because they think theyre being silenced and covered up"
These people know the Gish gallop, as do all cretins of this ilk.
Spout twenty bits of bullshit in a minute, knowing that it sounds impressive and each bit will take five minutes to debunk. Cretin "wins" because they look impressive. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Their theories will get debunked live on air, sorts the problem of conspiracy theories. These theories come up because they think theyre being silenced and covered up"
This never, ever happens. No-one who is susceptible to this stuff will see any of it as debunking, they just invent reasons why the debunking was not really debunking, and go deeper down the hole. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic. "
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored! |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!"
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!"
Then they can have a cry about it. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!"
They even believe that Facebook amd YouTube are not mainstream media. |
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"Hundreds of anti-vaxx protesters have occupied the lobby of ITN London's headquarters after storming into the building. Up to 200 demonstrators have refused to leave the building and are demanding to speak to the broadcaster's bosses. The scenes come just moments after protesters hurled abuse at presenter Jon Snow as police officers tried to control the angry crowds outside the studio."
Tell them that the building they are in has a mandatory vaccine policy and that by entering they have given voluntary permission to be vaccinated. The new Astra-Pfiz-Janssen aerosol vaccine will be released into the building aircon system in 3, 2, 1... |
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"They are the equivalent of terrorists, by their approach and also have power which they use, to influence people to reject treatment and behavioural codes, that could prevent loss of many lives. "
Yes. Threatening the media for an ideological purpose - that sounds like the definition of terrorism to me. |
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During WW2 what was the penalty for aiding and abetting the enemy? We are now 20 months into a world wide war against a virus. Vaccines, masks, distancing, medical services are our only weapons against the enemy. These people are doing everything they can to prevent vaccines being effective, refusing to wear masks, disobeying distance rules, and attacking health service personnel. They are absolutely aiding the virus in spreading.
At what point will society get serious and take proper measures to deal with these people who are deliberately prolonging the war and causing extra deaths? |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance."
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
"They are the equivalent of terrorists, by their approach and also have power which they use, to influence people to reject treatment and behavioural codes, that could prevent loss of many lives. "
Does this go for XR movement too? Occupying Londons streets and causing mass disruption? |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate. "
No, it's not, but you assume there's a way to win with this ideology. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate. "
But it is not about winning an argument. I do not see myself as having to win an argument against someone who is telling me that there are other better ways than the vaccine of tackling the virus (because they are not, not to cover most people and such a low cost). |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well"
If they had the answers to the questions that are been asked I'm sure they would. |
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By *DW1983Man
over a year ago
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"This never, ever happens. No-one who is susceptible to this stuff will see any of it as debunking, they just invent reasons why the debunking was not really debunking, and go deeper down the hole. "
Sadly I think it would come down to this. Like many other theories, they're already so far down that road that anyone who tries to tell them why it's wrong is just usually labelled a conspirtor, sheep, part of the problem, or some other similar phrase. |
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"This never, ever happens. No-one who is susceptible to this stuff will see any of it as debunking, they just invent reasons why the debunking was not really debunking, and go deeper down the hole.
Sadly I think it would come down to this. Like many other theories, they're already so far down that road that anyone who tries to tell them why it's wrong is just usually labelled a conspirtor, sheep, part of the problem, or some other similar phrase. "
The FDA has approved Pfizer today, full approval.
Watch "experimental" change to "rushed" and "in trials until 2023" not go away as an argument. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate. "
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no."
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them. |
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You need debate even the so called conspiracy theorists, I remember the weapons of mass destruction conspiracy people on the streets calling it a lie, the msm pushing the 40 minute missile strike and when the smoke settled the looners on the street were correct. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
If they had the answers to the questions that are been asked I'm sure they would."
They are the same as the flat earth lot they will just not accept they are wrong  |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They even believe that Facebook amd YouTube are not mainstream media. "
Well, they're not. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They even believe that Facebook amd YouTube are not mainstream media.
Well, they're not."
Digital media. But still mainstream. Everyone is using them. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They even believe that Facebook amd YouTube are not mainstream media.
Well, they're not.
Digital media. But still mainstream. Everyone is using them. "
I think in this context "mainstream media" means "stuff they don't like" |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
If they had the answers to the questions that are been asked I'm sure they would.
They are the same as the flat earth lot they will just not accept they are wrong "
But they aren't are they? Have any of them said the earth is flat.? Again... Insulting someone does no good at all. |
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"Hundreds of anti-vaxx protesters have occupied the lobby of ITN London's headquarters after storming into the building. Up to 200 demonstrators have refused to leave the building and are demanding to speak to the broadcaster's bosses. The scenes come just moments after protesters hurled abuse at presenter Jon Snow as police officers tried to control the angry crowds outside the studio."
I'd be inviting Costa Coffee to quote for a franchise operation in the foyer. |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
Lancashire |
"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
If they had the answers to the questions that are been asked I'm sure they would.
They are the same as the flat earth lot they will just not accept they are wrong
But they aren't are they? Have any of them said the earth is flat.? Again... Insulting someone does no good at all. "
Quite. I keep reading this comparison with the ‘flat earth lot’. Now I’m sure they must exist otherwise they wouldn’t keep getting mentioned but I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who supports their views.
However, go back 600 or so years and the consensus then was that the earth was flat… |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
If they had the answers to the questions that are been asked I'm sure they would.
They are the same as the flat earth lot they will just not accept they are wrong
But they aren't are they? Have any of them said the earth is flat.? Again... Insulting someone does no good at all.
Quite. I keep reading this comparison with the ‘flat earth lot’. Now I’m sure they must exist otherwise they wouldn’t keep getting mentioned but I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who supports their views.
However, go back 600 or so years and the consensus then was that the earth was flat…"
I imagine they'd have their forum posting on the village notice boards... "pfft have you seen that bloody earth is round lot again? They are all idiots and no denying it" |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
If they had the answers to the questions that are been asked I'm sure they would.
They are the same as the flat earth lot they will just not accept they are wrong
But they aren't are they? Have any of them said the earth is flat.? Again... Insulting someone does no good at all. "
It was a realistic metaphor, comparing them with people who hold beliefs that defy the evidence, rather than an insult. The same tactics of reasoned discussion, as seen widely, don't influence their rigid rejection of anything that undermines their ill-conceived notions |
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"This never, ever happens. No-one who is susceptible to this stuff will see any of it as debunking, they just invent reasons why the debunking was not really debunking, and go deeper down the hole.
Sadly I think it would come down to this. Like many other theories, they're already so far down that road that anyone who tries to tell them why it's wrong is just usually labelled a conspirtor, sheep, part of the problem, or some other similar phrase.
The FDA has approved Pfizer today, full approval.
Watch "experimental" change to "rushed" and "in trials until 2023" not go away as an argument."
Update: apparently it's just like thalidomide.
... That thalidomide which the FDA never approved because the documentation didn't convince it, and which directly led to more scrutiny of drugs.
Yeah. Totes valid comparison. Cretins |
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All the heavenly glory we look at how did it become even with the evidence some still have faith and belief. Paranormal if you look hard enough you will see what others can't and maybe get a TV show for the believers. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no.
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them."
You seem to be missing the point. These people are not rational, they are delusional, so there is no point in debate. Whether they feel insulted is of no concern.
Should there be an attempt to deradicalise and re-educate them is another question entirely. That’s a matter for the state, not broadcasters, and one that should be decided in court after their arrests. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I love they way anyone who has a different opinion to the fab forums is instantly debunked as either a nazi, flat earther, terrorist or similar. It’s starting to really wear thin.
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Why is there any issue with equating the radical delusionals invading the ITV studios and other incidents last weekend with flat earthers and terrorists? They are visibly deluded people engaged in acts of violence to promote their ‘beliefs’, this is a matter of record. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no.
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them.
You seem to be missing the point. These people are not rational, they are delusional, so there is no point in debate. Whether they feel insulted is of no concern.
Should there be an attempt to deradicalise and re-educate them is another question entirely. That’s a matter for the state, not broadcasters, and one that should be decided in court after their arrests."
I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Perhaps you are missing the point? Have you considered that? I'm not in anyway justifying criminal behaviour. But here's a thing.. The fact you make a point of writing that you have no concern about people feeling insulted people whom you disagree with probably says as much about you as it does about them.
You seem to be absolving all disagreements to the state to mediate and decide which side is to be considered right and which one is to be considered wrong. I'd rather grasp my part by constructing intelligent reasoned debate based on independently verified facts than attempt to belittle them. These folks are already getting plenty of media coverage. We may as well try and move it forward to close down some of the claims. At the end of the day there is usually more that unites us than divides us. We are allowed to have different opinions and it seems that we do. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no.
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them.
You seem to be missing the point. These people are not rational, they are delusional, so there is no point in debate. Whether they feel insulted is of no concern.
Should there be an attempt to deradicalise and re-educate them is another question entirely. That’s a matter for the state, not broadcasters, and one that should be decided in court after their arrests.
I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Perhaps you are missing the point? Have you considered that? I'm not in anyway justifying criminal behaviour. But here's a thing.. The fact you make a point of writing that you have no concern about people feeling insulted people whom you disagree with probably says as much about you as it does about them.
You seem to be absolving all disagreements to the state to mediate and decide which side is to be considered right and which one is to be considered wrong. I'd rather grasp my part by constructing intelligent reasoned debate based on independently verified facts than attempt to belittle them. These folks are already getting plenty of media coverage. We may as well try and move it forward to close down some of the claims. At the end of the day there is usually more that unites us than divides us. We are allowed to have different opinions and it seems that we do. "
You emphasise you are missing the point by repeating things that have already been answered as if they have not, as well as introducing a strawman into the bargain. The only point you are making yourself with any cogency is that we should equivocate with delusionals and terrorists on a matter of public health.
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no.
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them.
You seem to be missing the point. These people are not rational, they are delusional, so there is no point in debate. Whether they feel insulted is of no concern.
Should there be an attempt to deradicalise and re-educate them is another question entirely. That’s a matter for the state, not broadcasters, and one that should be decided in court after their arrests.
I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Perhaps you are missing the point? Have you considered that? I'm not in anyway justifying criminal behaviour. But here's a thing.. The fact you make a point of writing that you have no concern about people feeling insulted people whom you disagree with probably says as much about you as it does about them.
You seem to be absolving all disagreements to the state to mediate and decide which side is to be considered right and which one is to be considered wrong. I'd rather grasp my part by constructing intelligent reasoned debate based on independently verified facts than attempt to belittle them. These folks are already getting plenty of media coverage. We may as well try and move it forward to close down some of the claims. At the end of the day there is usually more that unites us than divides us. We are allowed to have different opinions and it seems that we do. "
People are storming the media, screaming at journalists about having them executed.
I'm sorry, that's batshit crazy and I have nothing in common with that.
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"I love they way anyone who has a different opinion to the fab forums is instantly debunked as either a nazi, flat earther, terrorist or similar. It’s starting to really wear thin.
Why is there any issue with equating the radical delusionals invading the ITV studios and other incidents last weekend with flat earthers and terrorists? They are visibly deluded people engaged in acts of violence to promote their ‘beliefs’, this is a matter of record."
I think we agree that acts of criminal behaviour and violence absolutely should be clamped down on and prosecuted fairly and equitably and within our laws.
I'm also thankful we live in a democracy that permits freedom of expression and also believe generally that pressure groups (whilst being an inconvenience and troublesome and so on) hold entities to a higher standard and generally the outcome is better than if they did not throw the ocassional curve ball.
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no.
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them.
You seem to be missing the point. These people are not rational, they are delusional, so there is no point in debate. Whether they feel insulted is of no concern.
Should there be an attempt to deradicalise and re-educate them is another question entirely. That’s a matter for the state, not broadcasters, and one that should be decided in court after their arrests.
I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Perhaps you are missing the point? Have you considered that? I'm not in anyway justifying criminal behaviour. But here's a thing.. The fact you make a point of writing that you have no concern about people feeling insulted people whom you disagree with probably says as much about you as it does about them.
You seem to be absolving all disagreements to the state to mediate and decide which side is to be considered right and which one is to be considered wrong. I'd rather grasp my part by constructing intelligent reasoned debate based on independently verified facts than attempt to belittle them. These folks are already getting plenty of media coverage. We may as well try and move it forward to close down some of the claims. At the end of the day there is usually more that unites us than divides us. We are allowed to have different opinions and it seems that we do.
People are storming the media, screaming at journalists about having them executed.
I'm sorry, that's batshit crazy and I have nothing in common with that.
They're allowed opinions, but Jesus, less of the intimidating the media and threatening violence shit."
Yes please don't think I'm suggesting or encouraging violence or threats...im really not. In truth I know very little about this particular story / news.
However the fact a pressure group is putting media behaviour in the spotlight is a good thing. Never has the epithet... The pen is mightier than the sword been more true. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no.
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them.
You seem to be missing the point. These people are not rational, they are delusional, so there is no point in debate. Whether they feel insulted is of no concern.
Should there be an attempt to deradicalise and re-educate them is another question entirely. That’s a matter for the state, not broadcasters, and one that should be decided in court after their arrests.
I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Perhaps you are missing the point? Have you considered that? I'm not in anyway justifying criminal behaviour. But here's a thing.. The fact you make a point of writing that you have no concern about people feeling insulted people whom you disagree with probably says as much about you as it does about them.
You seem to be absolving all disagreements to the state to mediate and decide which side is to be considered right and which one is to be considered wrong. I'd rather grasp my part by constructing intelligent reasoned debate based on independently verified facts than attempt to belittle them. These folks are already getting plenty of media coverage. We may as well try and move it forward to close down some of the claims. At the end of the day there is usually more that unites us than divides us. We are allowed to have different opinions and it seems that we do.
People are storming the media, screaming at journalists about having them executed.
I'm sorry, that's batshit crazy and I have nothing in common with that.
They're allowed opinions, but Jesus, less of the intimidating the media and threatening violence shit.
Yes please don't think I'm suggesting or encouraging violence or threats...im really not. In truth I know very little about this particular story / news.
However the fact a pressure group is putting media behaviour in the spotlight is a good thing. Never has the epithet... The pen is mightier than the sword been more true. "
No. These people are threatening violence and trying to intimidate the media.
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They already have the biggest platform ?? the internet ??? and sadly it's only going to worse not better and really like the theory by certain academics that we are heading in to a new kind of dark age ( rather interesting reading ) or at least the age before the printing press existed as in hardly anyone travelled so they were stuck in their city/town/village etc etc and the anti science bit of this lot should deeply worry anyone as we have seen certain so called politicians are more than happy to exploit it ?? |
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"I love they way anyone who has a different opinion to the fab forums is instantly debunked as either a nazi, flat earther, terrorist or similar. It’s starting to really wear thin.
Why is there any issue with equating the radical delusionals invading the ITV studios and other incidents last weekend with flat earthers and terrorists? They are visibly deluded people engaged in acts of violence to promote their ‘beliefs’, this is a matter of record."
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
If they had the answers to the questions that are been asked I'm sure they would.
They are the same as the flat earth lot they will just not accept they are wrong
But they aren't are they? Have any of them said the earth is flat.? Again... Insulting someone does no good at all.
Quite. I keep reading this comparison with the ‘flat earth lot’. Now I’m sure they must exist otherwise they wouldn’t keep getting mentioned but I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who supports their views.
However, go back 600 or so years and the consensus then was that the earth was flat…"
Go back 2260 years or so and it was not only known that the world was spheroid but Eratosthenes had actually used geometry to calculate the circumference of the Earth (with a result accurate to less than 2.5% error against present day measurements).
Almost every seafaring race and every country with astronomers, mathematicians, scholars of any sort, have been perfectly aware that the Earth is a sphere. The ultimate demonstration came when Ferdinand Magellan's expedition completed the first global circumnavigation in 1521. The only peoples that have ever espoused the view of a flat earth are those that have been influenced by misreadings of early religious scripts, blindly following theological diktat without looking for themselves (ref. modern day anti-science followers).
The myth of the middle ages common knowledge of the Earth being flat is exactly that; a myth. It was in fact mostly invented by the writer Washington Irving (of Rip Van Winkle and the Sleepy Hollow headless horseman fame) in the 19th century. So there never was a consensus that the earth was flat. Modern day flat earthers are delusionists who literally base their world view on the words of a fairytale teller. Similarly all the other latter day science deniers, preferring to believe the reasurring promises of charismatic charlatans, rather than the more difficult and disturbing truths that four hundred years of the modern scientific era have produced. |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no.
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them.
You seem to be missing the point. These people are not rational, they are delusional, so there is no point in debate. Whether they feel insulted is of no concern.
Should there be an attempt to deradicalise and re-educate them is another question entirely. That’s a matter for the state, not broadcasters, and one that should be decided in court after their arrests.
I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Perhaps you are missing the point? Have you considered that? I'm not in anyway justifying criminal behaviour. But here's a thing.. The fact you make a point of writing that you have no concern about people feeling insulted people whom you disagree with probably says as much about you as it does about them.
You seem to be absolving all disagreements to the state to mediate and decide which side is to be considered right and which one is to be considered wrong. I'd rather grasp my part by constructing intelligent reasoned debate based on independently verified facts than attempt to belittle them. These folks are already getting plenty of media coverage. We may as well try and move it forward to close down some of the claims. At the end of the day there is usually more that unites us than divides us. We are allowed to have different opinions and it seems that we do.
People are storming the media, screaming at journalists about having them executed.
I'm sorry, that's batshit crazy and I have nothing in common with that.
They're allowed opinions, but Jesus, less of the intimidating the media and threatening violence shit.
Yes please don't think I'm suggesting or encouraging violence or threats...im really not. In truth I know very little about this particular story / news.
However the fact a pressure group is putting media behaviour in the spotlight is a good thing. Never has the epithet... The pen is mightier than the sword been more true.
No. These people are threatening violence and trying to intimidate the media.
I have nothing in common with that and people who do that should not get a platform on that basis."
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"I love they way anyone who has a different opinion to the fab forums is instantly debunked as either a nazi, flat earther, terrorist or similar. It’s starting to really wear thin.
Why is there any issue with equating the radical delusionals invading the ITV studios and other incidents last weekend with flat earthers and terrorists? They are visibly deluded people engaged in acts of violence to promote their ‘beliefs’, this is a matter of record.
I think we agree that acts of criminal behaviour and violence absolutely should be clamped down on and prosecuted fairly and equitably and within our laws.
I'm also thankful we live in a democracy that permits freedom of expression and also believe generally that pressure groups (whilst being an inconvenience and troublesome and so on) hold entities to a higher standard and generally the outcome is better than if they did not throw the ocassional curve ball.
Sadly the court of popular opinion and not the court of what is right and just is winning the day. "
This is more like a minority violent mob (I would not call it a pressure group because most antivaxxers do not resort in violent acts). A mob that resorts to such violent acts surely does not hold entities to a higher standard?
This mob is acting unlawfully towards measures to curtail a pandemic and has nothing to do with pursuing a higher standard for the entities they are attacking. |
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"I love they way anyone who has a different opinion to the fab forums is instantly debunked as either a nazi, flat earther, terrorist or similar. It’s starting to really wear thin.
Why is there any issue with equating the radical delusionals invading the ITV studios and other incidents last weekend with flat earthers and terrorists? They are visibly deluded people engaged in acts of violence to promote their ‘beliefs’, this is a matter of record.
I think we agree that acts of criminal behaviour and violence absolutely should be clamped down on and prosecuted fairly and equitably and within our laws.
I'm also thankful we live in a democracy that permits freedom of expression and also believe generally that pressure groups (whilst being an inconvenience and troublesome and so on) hold entities to a higher standard and generally the outcome is better than if they did not throw the ocassional curve ball.
Sadly the court of popular opinion and not the court of what is right and just is winning the day.
This is more like a minority violent mob (I would not call it a pressure group because most antivaxxers do not resort in violent acts). A mob that resorts to such violent acts surely does not hold entities to a higher standard?
This mob is acting unlawfully towards measures to curtail a pandemic and has nothing to do with pursuing a higher standard for the entities they are attacking."
Is that a factual statement or is it just your interpretation of what you've seen through the lens of the media.? Is it the case that all protests that end in violence are "bad" .? Blm? Taliban? Locking students behind heras fencing? The suffragettes... Or does it sometimes shift the dial?
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no.
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them.
You seem to be missing the point. These people are not rational, they are delusional, so there is no point in debate. Whether they feel insulted is of no concern.
Should there be an attempt to deradicalise and re-educate them is another question entirely. That’s a matter for the state, not broadcasters, and one that should be decided in court after their arrests.
I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Perhaps you are missing the point? Have you considered that? I'm not in anyway justifying criminal behaviour. But here's a thing.. The fact you make a point of writing that you have no concern about people feeling insulted people whom you disagree with probably says as much about you as it does about them.
You seem to be absolving all disagreements to the state to mediate and decide which side is to be considered right and which one is to be considered wrong. I'd rather grasp my part by constructing intelligent reasoned debate based on independently verified facts than attempt to belittle them. These folks are already getting plenty of media coverage. We may as well try and move it forward to close down some of the claims. At the end of the day there is usually more that unites us than divides us. We are allowed to have different opinions and it seems that we do.
People are storming the media, screaming at journalists about having them executed.
I'm sorry, that's batshit crazy and I have nothing in common with that.
They're allowed opinions, but Jesus, less of the intimidating the media and threatening violence shit.
Yes please don't think I'm suggesting or encouraging violence or threats...im really not. In truth I know very little about this particular story / news.
However the fact a pressure group is putting media behaviour in the spotlight is a good thing. Never has the epithet... The pen is mightier than the sword been more true.
No. These people are threatening violence and trying to intimidate the media.
I have nothing in common with that and people who do that should not get a platform on that basis.
I thought you agreed with activism"
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"I love they way anyone who has a different opinion to the fab forums is instantly debunked as either a nazi, flat earther, terrorist or similar. It’s starting to really wear thin.
Why is there any issue with equating the radical delusionals invading the ITV studios and other incidents last weekend with flat earthers and terrorists? They are visibly deluded people engaged in acts of violence to promote their ‘beliefs’, this is a matter of record.
I think we agree that acts of criminal behaviour and violence absolutely should be clamped down on and prosecuted fairly and equitably and within our laws.
I'm also thankful we live in a democracy that permits freedom of expression and also believe generally that pressure groups (whilst being an inconvenience and troublesome and so on) hold entities to a higher standard and generally the outcome is better than if they did not throw the ocassional curve ball.
Sadly the court of popular opinion and not the court of what is right and just is winning the day.
This is more like a minority violent mob (I would not call it a pressure group because most antivaxxers do not resort in violent acts). A mob that resorts to such violent acts surely does not hold entities to a higher standard?
This mob is acting unlawfully towards measures to curtail a pandemic and has nothing to do with pursuing a higher standard for the entities they are attacking.
Is that a factual statement or is it just your interpretation of what you've seen through the lens of the media.? Is it the case that all protests that end in violence are "bad" .? Blm? Taliban? Locking students behind heras fencing? The suffragettes... Or does it sometimes shift the dial?
Did they get more column inches as a result? Who granted them that airtime? "
It is the context. In this case, the context is a pandemic, the measures and some people who act in a violent manner because they want their theories to be heard and they believe that the mainstream media do not say the truth.
In a different context, like overthrowing a really oppressive government (like for example in Libya, they were against a tyrant) such protests are supported by most people and I would not say they are bad. Unfortunately due to resistance there may be violence.
Another example Greenpeace. They may use disruptive tactics towards entities like oil companies and here I will agree that they want to hold such emtities to higher standard. But not by being violent towards people or doing extreme things like sabotaging distilleries.
In my opinion, in the context of the pandemic such violent acts towards the media are acts of lunacy.
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no.
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them.
You seem to be missing the point. These people are not rational, they are delusional, so there is no point in debate. Whether they feel insulted is of no concern.
Should there be an attempt to deradicalise and re-educate them is another question entirely. That’s a matter for the state, not broadcasters, and one that should be decided in court after their arrests.
I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Perhaps you are missing the point? Have you considered that? I'm not in anyway justifying criminal behaviour. But here's a thing.. The fact you make a point of writing that you have no concern about people feeling insulted people whom you disagree with probably says as much about you as it does about them.
You seem to be absolving all disagreements to the state to mediate and decide which side is to be considered right and which one is to be considered wrong. I'd rather grasp my part by constructing intelligent reasoned debate based on independently verified facts than attempt to belittle them. These folks are already getting plenty of media coverage. We may as well try and move it forward to close down some of the claims. At the end of the day there is usually more that unites us than divides us. We are allowed to have different opinions and it seems that we do.
People are storming the media, screaming at journalists about having them executed.
I'm sorry, that's batshit crazy and I have nothing in common with that.
They're allowed opinions, but Jesus, less of the intimidating the media and threatening violence shit.
Yes please don't think I'm suggesting or encouraging violence or threats...im really not. In truth I know very little about this particular story / news.
However the fact a pressure group is putting media behaviour in the spotlight is a good thing. Never has the epithet... The pen is mightier than the sword been more true.
No. These people are threatening violence and trying to intimidate the media.
I have nothing in common with that and people who do that should not get a platform on that basis.
I thought you agreed with activism
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Activism doesn't mean threatening people."
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no.
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them.
You seem to be missing the point. These people are not rational, they are delusional, so there is no point in debate. Whether they feel insulted is of no concern.
Should there be an attempt to deradicalise and re-educate them is another question entirely. That’s a matter for the state, not broadcasters, and one that should be decided in court after their arrests.
I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Perhaps you are missing the point? Have you considered that? I'm not in anyway justifying criminal behaviour. But here's a thing.. The fact you make a point of writing that you have no concern about people feeling insulted people whom you disagree with probably says as much about you as it does about them.
You seem to be absolving all disagreements to the state to mediate and decide which side is to be considered right and which one is to be considered wrong. I'd rather grasp my part by constructing intelligent reasoned debate based on independently verified facts than attempt to belittle them. These folks are already getting plenty of media coverage. We may as well try and move it forward to close down some of the claims. At the end of the day there is usually more that unites us than divides us. We are allowed to have different opinions and it seems that we do.
People are storming the media, screaming at journalists about having them executed.
I'm sorry, that's batshit crazy and I have nothing in common with that.
They're allowed opinions, but Jesus, less of the intimidating the media and threatening violence shit.
Yes please don't think I'm suggesting or encouraging violence or threats...im really not. In truth I know very little about this particular story / news.
However the fact a pressure group is putting media behaviour in the spotlight is a good thing. Never has the epithet... The pen is mightier than the sword been more true.
No. These people are threatening violence and trying to intimidate the media.
I have nothing in common with that and people who do that should not get a platform on that basis.
I thought you agreed with activism
Sure do.
Activism doesn't mean threatening people.
What does it mean?"
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no.
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them.
You seem to be missing the point. These people are not rational, they are delusional, so there is no point in debate. Whether they feel insulted is of no concern.
Should there be an attempt to deradicalise and re-educate them is another question entirely. That’s a matter for the state, not broadcasters, and one that should be decided in court after their arrests.
I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Perhaps you are missing the point? Have you considered that? I'm not in anyway justifying criminal behaviour. But here's a thing.. The fact you make a point of writing that you have no concern about people feeling insulted people whom you disagree with probably says as much about you as it does about them.
You seem to be absolving all disagreements to the state to mediate and decide which side is to be considered right and which one is to be considered wrong. I'd rather grasp my part by constructing intelligent reasoned debate based on independently verified facts than attempt to belittle them. These folks are already getting plenty of media coverage. We may as well try and move it forward to close down some of the claims. At the end of the day there is usually more that unites us than divides us. We are allowed to have different opinions and it seems that we do.
People are storming the media, screaming at journalists about having them executed.
I'm sorry, that's batshit crazy and I have nothing in common with that.
They're allowed opinions, but Jesus, less of the intimidating the media and threatening violence shit.
Yes please don't think I'm suggesting or encouraging violence or threats...im really not. In truth I know very little about this particular story / news.
However the fact a pressure group is putting media behaviour in the spotlight is a good thing. Never has the epithet... The pen is mightier than the sword been more true.
No. These people are threatening violence and trying to intimidate the media.
I have nothing in common with that and people who do that should not get a platform on that basis.
I thought you agreed with activism
Sure do.
Activism doesn't mean threatening people.
What does it mean?
If you can't see the difference between activism and terrorism then I'm afraid I can't help you."
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Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion, |
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"Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion,"
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"Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion,
So storming into the media buildings, making demands, publishing details of journalists, and threatening to execute them is... what exactly? Free speech? A fun jaunt on an afternoon?"
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"Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion,
So storming into the media buildings, making demands, publishing details of journalists, and threatening to execute them is... what exactly? Free speech? A fun jaunt on an afternoon?
Anti hunt & animal activists were guilty of much worse. "
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"Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion,
So storming into the media buildings, making demands, publishing details of journalists, and threatening to execute them is... what exactly? Free speech? A fun jaunt on an afternoon?
Anti hunt & animal activists were guilty of much worse.
Then they should also be prosecuted "
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"Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion,
So storming into the media buildings, making demands, publishing details of journalists, and threatening to execute them is... what exactly? Free speech? A fun jaunt on an afternoon?
Anti hunt & animal activists were guilty of much worse.
Then they should also be prosecuted
So activism isn’t the answer then?"
Activism has a line, over which it becomes intimidation and violence.
I live my life at least five large paces behind that line. |
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"Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion,
So storming into the media buildings, making demands, publishing details of journalists, and threatening to execute them is... what exactly? Free speech? A fun jaunt on an afternoon?
Anti hunt & animal activists were guilty of much worse.
Then they should also be prosecuted
So activism isn’t the answer then?
Activism has a line, over which it becomes intimidation and violence.
I live my life at least five large paces behind that line."
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no.
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them.
You seem to be missing the point. These people are not rational, they are delusional, so there is no point in debate. Whether they feel insulted is of no concern.
Should there be an attempt to deradicalise and re-educate them is another question entirely. That’s a matter for the state, not broadcasters, and one that should be decided in court after their arrests.
I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Perhaps you are missing the point? Have you considered that? I'm not in anyway justifying criminal behaviour. But here's a thing.. The fact you make a point of writing that you have no concern about people feeling insulted people whom you disagree with probably says as much about you as it does about them.
You seem to be absolving all disagreements to the state to mediate and decide which side is to be considered right and which one is to be considered wrong. I'd rather grasp my part by constructing intelligent reasoned debate based on independently verified facts than attempt to belittle them. These folks are already getting plenty of media coverage. We may as well try and move it forward to close down some of the claims. At the end of the day there is usually more that unites us than divides us. We are allowed to have different opinions and it seems that we do.
People are storming the media, screaming at journalists about having them executed.
I'm sorry, that's batshit crazy and I have nothing in common with that.
They're allowed opinions, but Jesus, less of the intimidating the media and threatening violence shit.
Yes please don't think I'm suggesting or encouraging violence or threats...im really not. In truth I know very little about this particular story / news.
However the fact a pressure group is putting media behaviour in the spotlight is a good thing. Never has the epithet... The pen is mightier than the sword been more true. "
Isnt this what Donald Trump tried to do? How well did that work out?
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"Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion,
So storming into the media buildings, making demands, publishing details of journalists, and threatening to execute them is... what exactly? Free speech? A fun jaunt on an afternoon?
Anti hunt & animal activists were guilty of much worse.
Then they should also be prosecuted
So activism isn’t the answer then?
Activism has a line, over which it becomes intimidation and violence.
I live my life at least five large paces behind that line.
So again, may I ask what activism is ok?"
I can speak to what I do. I write letters. I speak, in public and one to one. I march. Occasionally I block traffic (a nice polite convenient protest is not tremendously effective). I boycott. I live my values.
I do not destroy property. I do not go near the homes of people who stand against my cause, nor work out where they live, nor try to help with that. I do not target their families or children. I do not call for anyone to die.
There are lines where the law should probably be broken. I do not know where those are and I have not done it. That line, for me, would never be about violence or intimidation against "soft targets", like threatening journalists over the proposed vaccine passports. If my problem is the government, I take it up with the government. (I'm more of a letters and sit ins sort of person) |
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate.
Again, there is no debate to be had. Should we debate people who believe the Earth is flat because we are confident it’s a sphere? Just as with this, the answer is no.
Sure OK. Trouble is... You can either bring people in and debate and educate if appropriate or not debate and just insult people. If you want something from someone.. You don't get it by insulting them.
You seem to be missing the point. These people are not rational, they are delusional, so there is no point in debate. Whether they feel insulted is of no concern.
Should there be an attempt to deradicalise and re-educate them is another question entirely. That’s a matter for the state, not broadcasters, and one that should be decided in court after their arrests.
I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Perhaps you are missing the point? Have you considered that? I'm not in anyway justifying criminal behaviour. But here's a thing.. The fact you make a point of writing that you have no concern about people feeling insulted people whom you disagree with probably says as much about you as it does about them.
You seem to be absolving all disagreements to the state to mediate and decide which side is to be considered right and which one is to be considered wrong. I'd rather grasp my part by constructing intelligent reasoned debate based on independently verified facts than attempt to belittle them. These folks are already getting plenty of media coverage. We may as well try and move it forward to close down some of the claims. At the end of the day there is usually more that unites us than divides us. We are allowed to have different opinions and it seems that we do.
People are storming the media, screaming at journalists about having them executed.
I'm sorry, that's batshit crazy and I have nothing in common with that.
They're allowed opinions, but Jesus, less of the intimidating the media and threatening violence shit.
Yes please don't think I'm suggesting or encouraging violence or threats...im really not. In truth I know very little about this particular story / news.
However the fact a pressure group is putting media behaviour in the spotlight is a good thing. Never has the epithet... The pen is mightier than the sword been more true.
Isnt this what Donald Trump tried to do? How well did that work out?
Debating these people wont achieve anything, again see the former US president."
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Protests have been going on for hundreds of years, whether it’s a peaceful march or something of this level! But why do you think that is? Why do people protest? Do they act for self gain or selflessly? Have they tried to have a voice on social media and had their accounts taken down because they have a different opinion to the majority? Have they spoken to friends and family and been shut down every time? Have they tried to calmly enter a debate on a forum and got pounced on and invalidated? These are people who do not have faith in the government and what it is forcing! Have they had to start shouting louder because they are frustrated about not being allowed to have an opinion? Annoyed because they continue to have their intelligence and integrity criticised and judged? I don’t agree with what they are doing at ITV, but they certainly aren’t the first! Let’s also put this into perspective, they have entered a building and shouted loudly, they have not started The Purge at midnight! We all have different opinions and I find that fascinating personally, whether I agree with them or not! There’s no need to insult surely? Miss pc  |
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"Protests have been going on for hundreds of years, whether it’s a peaceful march or something of this level! But why do you think that is? Why do people protest? Do they act for self gain or selflessly? Have they tried to have a voice on social media and had their accounts taken down because they have a different opinion to the majority? Have they spoken to friends and family and been shut down every time? Have they tried to calmly enter a debate on a forum and got pounced on and invalidated? These are people who do not have faith in the government and what it is forcing! Have they had to start shouting louder because they are frustrated about not being allowed to have an opinion? Annoyed because they continue to have their intelligence and integrity criticised and judged? I don’t agree with what they are doing at ITV, but they certainly aren’t the first! Let’s also put this into perspective, they have entered a building and shouted loudly, they have not started The Purge at midnight! We all have different opinions and I find that fascinating personally, whether I agree with them or not! There’s no need to insult surely? Miss pc "
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"Protests have been going on for hundreds of years, whether it’s a peaceful march or something of this level! But why do you think that is? Why do people protest? Do they act for self gain or selflessly? Have they tried to have a voice on social media and had their accounts taken down because they have a different opinion to the majority? Have they spoken to friends and family and been shut down every time? Have they tried to calmly enter a debate on a forum and got pounced on and invalidated? These are people who do not have faith in the government and what it is forcing! Have they had to start shouting louder because they are frustrated about not being allowed to have an opinion? Annoyed because they continue to have their intelligence and integrity criticised and judged? I don’t agree with what they are doing at ITV, but they certainly aren’t the first! Let’s also put this into perspective, they have entered a building and shouted loudly, they have not started The Purge at midnight! We all have different opinions and I find that fascinating personally, whether I agree with them or not! There’s no need to insult surely? Miss pc "
Insults are easier than discussion. Generalisations are quite good for dismissing different views too. It's not exclusive to these forums or covid either. Social media and the relative anonymity it offers allows for some real nastiness at times. |
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"Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion,
So storming into the media buildings, making demands, publishing details of journalists, and threatening to execute them is... what exactly? Free speech? A fun jaunt on an afternoon?
Anti hunt & animal activists were guilty of much worse.
Then they should also be prosecuted
So activism isn’t the answer then?
Activism has a line, over which it becomes intimidation and violence.
I live my life at least five large paces behind that line.
So again, may I ask what activism is ok?
I can speak to what I do. I write letters. I speak, in public and one to one. I march. Occasionally I block traffic (a nice polite convenient protest is not tremendously effective). I boycott. I live my values.
I do not destroy property. I do not go near the homes of people who stand against my cause, nor work out where they live, nor try to help with that. I do not target their families or children. I do not call for anyone to die.
There are lines where the law should probably be broken. I do not know where those are and I have not done it. That line, for me, would never be about violence or intimidation against "soft targets", like threatening journalists over the proposed vaccine passports. If my problem is the government, I take it up with the government. (I'm more of a letters and sit ins sort of person)"
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
If they had the answers to the questions that are been asked I'm sure they would.
They are the same as the flat earth lot they will just not accept they are wrong
But they aren't are they? Have any of them said the earth is flat.? Again... Insulting someone does no good at all.
Quite. I keep reading this comparison with the ‘flat earth lot’. Now I’m sure they must exist otherwise they wouldn’t keep getting mentioned but I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who supports their views.
However, go back 600 or so years and the consensus then was that the earth was flat…"
There has never been a consensus the earth was flat, this is one of those historical inaccuracies that people like to believe but isn’t in fact true, like Napoleon being short. |
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"Journalists and publishers been attacked for telling the truth, it has been going on for years and the media and government are all complicit in the activity."
Whose truth? What truth? Been going on for years? Yep... Wmd probably the biggest "truth" the journalists published.... Ahem... |
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"Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion,
So storming into the media buildings, making demands, publishing details of journalists, and threatening to execute them is... what exactly? Free speech? A fun jaunt on an afternoon?
Anti hunt & animal activists were guilty of much worse. "
What did anti hunt activists do that was worse? |
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"Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion,
So storming into the media buildings, making demands, publishing details of journalists, and threatening to execute them is... what exactly? Free speech? A fun jaunt on an afternoon?
Anti hunt & animal activists were guilty of much worse.
What did anti hunt activists do that was worse?"
I recall an arson attack blamed on sabs where horses and dogs died. That was in 2005, but only suspected. A brief search though shows multiple attacks by pro hunt followers. I stopped reading. Some nasty stuff tbh |
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"Protests have been going on for hundreds of years, whether it’s a peaceful march or something of this level! But why do you think that is? Why do people protest? Do they act for self gain or selflessly? Have they tried to have a voice on social media and had their accounts taken down because they have a different opinion to the majority? Have they spoken to friends and family and been shut down every time? Have they tried to calmly enter a debate on a forum and got pounced on and invalidated? These are people who do not have faith in the government and what it is forcing! Have they had to start shouting louder because they are frustrated about not being allowed to have an opinion? Annoyed because they continue to have their intelligence and integrity criticised and judged? I don’t agree with what they are doing at ITV, but they certainly aren’t the first! Let’s also put this into perspective, they have entered a building and shouted loudly, they have not started The Purge at midnight! We all have different opinions and I find that fascinating personally, whether I agree with them or not! There’s no need to insult surely? Miss pc
Insults are easier than discussion. Generalisations are quite good for dismissing different views too. It's not exclusive to these forums or covid either. Social media and the relative anonymity it offers allows for some real nastiness at times. "
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"I donr know why the press dont entertain them. Sit down with experts and debunk every false claim and reassure people. Only way to solve it, ignoring somwthing usually never works well
Exactly have them on for a "meet the people" Interview... Give it your best shot.... Lets have the debate... Why not?
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I am not sure it would be a good idea to give nationwide legitimacy to this group. They have enough exposure already. It is not that as a group should not have a voice but what good will come out to allow them to communicate further their theories? We might as well give time to other extreme groups to share more widely their views like extinction rebellion who also caused problems today?
Why should they have a voice? They should be de-platformed at every possible opportunity. We’re in a global pandemic.
De platforming etc makes them believe theyre being censored!
They are not rational people. Their beliefs are an irrelevance.
But that's not the way to win an argument is it? Shine a light on it... Have confidence in the other side of the debate. "
Exactly, silencing them by saying they’re irrelevant, will not silence them |
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"Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion,
So storming into the media buildings, making demands, publishing details of journalists, and threatening to execute them is... what exactly? Free speech? A fun jaunt on an afternoon?
Anti hunt & animal activists were guilty of much worse.
What did anti hunt activists do that was worse?"
They dug up the remains of a farmers mother who was buried in the local churchyard because he was supplying guinea pigs to a company that tests animals. This happened in the village of yoxall in Staffordshire. Utterly disgusting.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/may/12/animalwelfare.topstories3
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Tricky.
Do all views deserve an equal platform. It's very difficult to hear everyone's views.
But views shouldn't be silenced just because they aren't the majority.
(Although some may argue our policial system actually does this)
I will admit, I'm not 100pv sure what their agenda is here so can't comment on the specifics. I do wonder how effective protest is at changing policial will tho. |
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"Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion,
So storming into the media buildings, making demands, publishing details of journalists, and threatening to execute them is... what exactly? Free speech? A fun jaunt on an afternoon?
Anti hunt & animal activists were guilty of much worse.
What did anti hunt activists do that was worse?
They dug up the remains of a farmers mother who was buried in the local churchyard because he was supplying guinea pigs to a company that tests animals. This happened in the village of yoxall in Staffordshire. Utterly disgusting.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/may/12/animalwelfare.topstories3
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"Terrorist deradicalise re educate pmsl some of you really need a word with yourselves,there anti vax so what,if they upset you dont pay them any attention,and as for threatening the media good about time they started reporting actual news instead of having a load of talking heads giving there opinion,
So storming into the media buildings, making demands, publishing details of journalists, and threatening to execute them is... what exactly? Free speech? A fun jaunt on an afternoon?
Anti hunt & animal activists were guilty of much worse.
What did anti hunt activists do that was worse?
They dug up the remains of a farmers mother who was buried in the local churchyard because he was supplying guinea pigs to a company that tests animals. This happened in the village of yoxall in Staffordshire. Utterly disgusting.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/may/12/animalwelfare.topstories3
I asked about anti-hunt activists."
In 2015, masked anti hunt activists beat Mike lane, a huntsman to the ground with iron bars.
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/554793/huntsman-hunt-brutal-attack/amp
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