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By *otsossie OP Man
over a year ago
local, but not too local |
My boss fell ill with COVID ten days ago.
He’s double vaccinated.
He’s been really ill and still has symptoms.
But he’s bored at home and so is going into the office tomorrow.
I stay he should stay at home until free of symptoms and that going into the office whilst still symptomatic is reckless.
Which of us is right? |
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By *rufflesCouple
over a year ago
manchester |
"My boss fell ill with COVID ten days ago.
He’s double vaccinated.
He’s been really ill and still has symptoms.
But he’s bored at home and so is going into the office tomorrow.
I stay he should stay at home until free of symptoms and that going into the office whilst still symptomatic is reckless.
Which of us is right?"
You...no question  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Thing is, we can work at home as easily as in the office. There’s no need for him to go in. "
Was typing as you posted this! Was he predominantly working from the office before he had covid? Are most people now back in the office or working from home? |
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By *otsossie OP Man
over a year ago
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"Then don't go in.
You are justified in your actions if this story is true. "
Yeah, no chance of me going in!
Gov website says :
“ You can return to your normal routine and stop self-isolating after 10 full days if your symptoms have gone, or if the only symptoms you have are a cough or anosmia, which can last for several weeks. If you still have a high temperature after 10 days or are otherwise unwell, stay at home and seek medical advice.”
It’s no wonder there’s confusion, I had to look up Anosmia.
He’s definitely “otherwise unwell”, he sounds terrible and has brain fog. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I currently have covid but luckily mild symptoms but I can only imagine he is desperate for a change of scenery and if guidance say he can then I don’t see a problem |
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"Then don't go in.
You are justified in your actions if this story is true.
Yeah, no chance of me going in!
Gov website says :
“ You can return to your normal routine and stop self-isolating after 10 full days if your symptoms have gone, or if the only symptoms you have are a cough or anosmia, which can last for several weeks. If you still have a high temperature after 10 days or are otherwise unwell, stay at home and seek medical advice.”
It’s no wonder there’s confusion, I had to look up Anosmia.
He’s definitely “otherwise unwell”, he sounds terrible and has brain fog. "
Don't risk it then.
Are your colleagues aware of the situation?
I'm sure he would get the message when his staff all refuse to go in.
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By *otsossie OP Man
over a year ago
local, but not too local |
" Are your colleagues aware of the situation?"
It was after 5 when he told me and everyone has sodded off home.
But I won’t be going in - we’re all home based as much as we like now anyway. |
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"My boss fell ill with COVID ten days ago.
He’s double vaccinated.
He’s been really ill and still has symptoms.
But he’s bored at home and so is going into the office tomorrow.
I stay he should stay at home until free of symptoms and that going into the office whilst still symptomatic is reckless.
Which of us is right?"
Bizarrely he is. I had this "argument" with track and trace when I had it.... There is no test he can do to prove he is "not infectious". So after 10 days they say.... Stop isolating and go about your business.
The below is pasted from the nhs website and I also post the link....
"When to stop self-isolating
You can stop self-isolating after the 10 days if either:
you do not have any symptoms
you just have a cough or changes to your sense of smell or taste – these can last for weeks after the infection has gone.
When to keep self-isolating.
Keep self-isolating if you have any of these symptoms after the 10 days:
*a high temperature or feeling hot and shivery
*a runny nose or sneezing
*feeling or being sick
*diarrhoea
Only stop self-isolating when these symptoms have gone.
If you have diarrhoea or you're being sick, stay at home until 48 hours after they've stopped
And here's the nhs link...
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/how-long-to-self-isolate/
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By *otsossie OP Man
over a year ago
local, but not too local |
"Tbf if someone was asymptomatic you wouldn't know if they're still infectious because PCRs can't be accurate again for 90 days after a positive
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Yes, but he still has symptoms after 10 days, which is my point. |
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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago
Plymouth |
"Tbf if someone was asymptomatic you wouldn't know if they're still infectious because PCRs can't be accurate again for 90 days after a positive
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Yes, but he still has symptoms after 10 days, which is my point. "
What im saying is you don't know with anyone if they're still infectious but guidance is 10 days. Was merely my point.
I was told by work as long as I dont have a temp for 48 hours its ok after 10 days. |
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" Are your colleagues aware of the situation?
It was after 5 when he told me and everyone has sodded off home.
But I won’t be going in - we’re all home based as much as we like now anyway. "
Depending on your relationship with him, I would speak to him and let him know.
Like someone has said, being isolated can affect people in different ways.
He genuinely might be bored and worried for the business, and just wants to be working to keep things going.
Only one way to find out |
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"My boss fell ill with COVID ten days ago.
He’s double vaccinated.
He’s been really ill and still has symptoms.
But he’s bored at home and so is going into the office tomorrow.
I stay he should stay at home until free of symptoms and that going into the office whilst still symptomatic is reckless.
Which of us is right?"
Sorry but your boss is a wreck less twat |
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"Tbf if someone was asymptomatic you wouldn't know if they're still infectious because PCRs can't be accurate again for 90 days after a positive
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Yes, but he still has symptoms after 10 days, which is my point.
What im saying is you don't know with anyone if they're still infectious but guidance is 10 days. Was merely my point.
I was told by work as long as I dont have a temp for 48 hours its ok after 10 days. "
Yeah not quite true as per nhs and gov website links that have already been posted. |
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Daughter has had it and was told that she is no longer infectious after 10 days i.e., the virus has gone. She still has a slight cough but has been told she is safe. I can believe it.
My understanding is that many people have suffered and even died from other infections after covid has long gone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What symptoms exactly does he have?
Croaky, cough, headache, brain fog, looks like shit.
You wouldn’t sit next to him. "
That doesn’t necessarily mean he is infectious. If he was being sick, diarrhoea and had a high temperature then it would be wise for him to stay at home |
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"What symptoms exactly does he have?
Croaky, cough, headache, brain fog, looks like shit.
You wouldn’t sit next to him.
That doesn’t necessarily mean he is infectious. If he was being sick, diarrhoea and had a high temperature then it would be wise for him to stay at home "
Don't you think that sometimes in all the so called science that we have lost the ability to think for ourselves and apply a bit of common sense though? As I've pondered my own experiences here... I mean..if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck there's a pretty good chance what it is.... And if someone sounds ill, looks ill and you wouldn't sit your gran next to them... There's probably a pretty good reason. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Thing is, we can work at home as easily as in the office. There’s no need for him to go in.
Then I dont see why he's going in."
He doesn’t trust his staff. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Thing is, we can work at home as easily as in the office. There’s no need for him to go in.
Then I dont see why he's going in.
He doesn’t trust his staff."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The thing is I currently have covid double vaccinated and my 2 children who live with me have not caught it "
You’re less likely to transmit it if you’ve been vaccinated. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The thing is I currently have covid double vaccinated and my 2 children who live with me have not caught it
You’re less likely to transmit it if you’ve been vaccinated."
Yes so his boss is also double vaccinated so I would say he is ok to go into the office after 10 days |
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By *rufinWoman
over a year ago
notts |
I'd worry about him - the second stage of covid can be really nasty. Maybe he needs to see the GP?
I wouldn't worry about him spreading covid though - that's in the pre symptom and early days stages. The brain fog, headaches etc might last weeks or even months longer
He sounds like he needs to rest or he might end up in hospital |
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I suggest that if he turns up at work, everybody that he goes near should self-certify the next day and stay away for a week. This whole "but we're british dammit" attitude where people go into work when sick is bollocks and needs to stop. Whether it's covid, flu, or just coughs and colds, all it does is ensure that more people get sick. The cost to companies is enormous, just for the want of telling someone to stay away until they are properly better.
In most of the Asian countries they figured this out years ago, and anybody that goes into the office when sick is more likely to be sacked for endangering the other staff than being praised for "biting the bullet and working through the illness". |
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"I suggest that if he turns up at work, everybody that he goes near should self-certify the next day and stay away for a week. This whole "but we're british dammit" attitude where people go into work when sick is bollocks and needs to stop. Whether it's covid, flu, or just coughs and colds, all it does is ensure that more people get sick. The cost to companies is enormous, just for the want of telling someone to stay away until they are properly better.
In most of the Asian countries they figured this out years ago, and anybody that goes into the office when sick is more likely to be sacked for endangering the other staff than being praised for "biting the bullet and working through the illness"."
Great points and in an ideal world that should be the case but for many not a option bills need to be paid and for a large amount of people no work no pay  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My boss fell ill with COVID ten days ago.
He’s double vaccinated.
He’s been really ill and still has symptoms.
But he’s bored at home and so is going into the office tomorrow.
I stay he should stay at home until free of symptoms and that going into the office whilst still symptomatic is reckless.
Which of us is right?"
I don’t see the issue to be honest; he’s abiding by the latest guidance and plus most people are vaccinated so what’s the issue ? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"My boss fell ill with COVID ten days ago.
He’s double vaccinated.
He’s been really ill and still has symptoms.
But he’s bored at home and so is going into the office tomorrow.
I stay he should stay at home until free of symptoms and that going into the office whilst still symptomatic is reckless.
Which of us is right?"
Best rule of management: "Don't be a dick"
Second best rule of management: "Don't stop your team from doing their jobs"
He's failing both, regardless of the medical advice 
He is being a dick. Coming into work with any illness, let alone Covid-19 will at the very lease raise stress levels significantly with no benefit and reduce the team's effectiveness.
Brain fog may not be helping an otherwise sensible person make good decisions here. |
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"My boss fell ill with COVID ten days ago.
He’s double vaccinated.
He’s been really ill and still has symptoms.
But he’s bored at home and so is going into the office tomorrow.
I stay he should stay at home until free of symptoms and that going into the office whilst still symptomatic is reckless.
Which of us is right?
Best rule of management: "Don't be a dick"
Second best rule of management: "Don't stop your team from doing their jobs"
He's failing both, regardless of the medical advice
He is being a dick. Coming into work with any illness, let alone Covid-19 will at the very lease raise stress levels significantly with no benefit and reduce the team's effectiveness.
Brain fog may not be helping an otherwise sensible person make good decisions here."
Spot on with the rules |
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"My boss fell ill with COVID ten days ago.
He’s double vaccinated.
He’s been really ill and still has symptoms.
But he’s bored at home and so is going into the office tomorrow.
I stay he should stay at home until free of symptoms and that going into the office whilst still symptomatic is reckless.
Which of us is right?"
Your right 100%...is there a HR dept' that you can report him to...with out giving your name if you preferred...he should not be going any where feeling like he does, totally irresponsible of him if he does  |
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By *otsossie OP Man
over a year ago
local, but not too local |
"Great points and in an ideal world that should be the case but for many not a option bills need to be paid and for a large amount of people no work no pay "
We work in IT and are now primarily home based. He just wanted to get away from his family do he could focus better. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"That’s what I thought. I discussed it with him but he wasn’t having it.
And I made a typo in my post, so I’m doubly annoyed. "
You work from home instead - is that an option? |
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He has did what guidance advises, my cough with covid lasted for ages after my isolation, even though it was never a severe cough to begin with.
Some of my workmates still have it now six months later along with other symptoms, including brain fog. |
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By *otsossie OP Man
over a year ago
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"The 10 days isolation does not end if symptoms other than a cough such has runny nose headaches etc persist, he supposed to remain isolated "
That was my interpretation of the intent of the rules but sadly the wording is crap. |
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