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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Just read a medical article (dated 27/) with a quote:
"Over 3.5 billion vaccines have been distributed globally, but more than 75 per cent of those have gone to just ten countries,” WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told the World Trade Organization last week"
Should richer countries be donating more vaccines to poorer countries who don't have the capacity to create their own, or keeping their stocks as 3rd jab boosters? |
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Yes, if for no reason other than self-protection (but also because it's the right thing to do). There is a responsibility for richer countries to try to get their own populations properly vaccinated, but the responsibility does not stop there. The aim should be to get everyone done, whether they have money or not.
The idealist in me briefly fantasised when this all kicked off that it would be wonderful if the entire world came together to fight this. That everybody could stop all "defence" spending (ie. using money to buy toys for killing people with) and use it instead for actual defence against a real existential threat to civilisation. Too much to expect though that the human race would grow up... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Yes, if for no reason other than self-protection (but also because it's the right thing to do). There is a responsibility for richer countries to try to get their own populations properly vaccinated, but the responsibility does not stop there. The aim should be to get everyone done, whether they have money or not.
The idealist in me briefly fantasised when this all kicked off that it would be wonderful if the entire world came together to fight this. That everybody could stop all "defence" spending (ie. using money to buy toys for killing people with) and use it instead for actual defence against a real existential threat to civilisation. Too much to expect though that the human race would grow up..."
Thank you. Some interesting points. Not sure as a race we'll ever replace inhumanity with just humanity |
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Ideally, yes.
In practice, particularly with the mRNA vaccines, we need to look at expiry dates and the ability of supply chain to keep them in the conditions they require.
While vaccinating the vulnerable in a poorer country is better than doubling up, delivering expired or spoiled vaccines to poorer countries is probably worse than doing nothing. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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Yes wealthier countries should be doing more to help vulnerable people in developing nations.
Sadly I can see a situation where booster jabs being required would continue to widen the gap. |
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"Yes, if for no reason other than self-protection (but also because it's the right thing to do). There is a responsibility for richer countries to try to get their own populations properly vaccinated, but the responsibility does not stop there. The aim should be to get everyone done, whether they have money or not.
The idealist in me briefly fantasised when this all kicked off that it would be wonderful if the entire world came together to fight this. That everybody could stop all "defence" spending (ie. using money to buy toys for killing people with) and use it instead for actual defence against a real existential threat to civilisation. Too much to expect though that the human race would grow up..."
Imagine how by converting defence spending into investment in clean energy and technology the strides that could be made towards a Net Zero world and how many lives that would save. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Yes, if for no reason other than self-protection (but also because it's the right thing to do). There is a responsibility for richer countries to try to get their own populations properly vaccinated, but the responsibility does not stop there. The aim should be to get everyone done, whether they have money or not.
The idealist in me briefly fantasised when this all kicked off that it would be wonderful if the entire world came together to fight this. That everybody could stop all "defence" spending (ie. using money to buy toys for killing people with) and use it instead for actual defence against a real existential threat to civilisation. Too much to expect though that the human race would grow up...
Imagine how by converting defence spending into investment in clean energy and technology the strides that could be made towards a Net Zero world and how many lives that would save. "
Convince Russia, China, North Korea etc to sign up to that first |
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"Ideally, yes.
In practice, particularly with the mRNA vaccines, we need to look at expiry dates and the ability of supply chain to keep them in the conditions they require.
While vaccinating the vulnerable in a poorer country is better than doubling up, delivering expired or spoiled vaccines to poorer countries is probably worse than doing nothing."
Some are stating that their 'innate immune system' is enough for their protection, not needing vaccines. They could be the miracle people who vaccinate those in poorer countries. |
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"Yes, if for no reason other than self-protection (but also because it's the right thing to do). There is a responsibility for richer countries to try to get their own populations properly vaccinated, but the responsibility does not stop there. The aim should be to get everyone done, whether they have money or not.
The idealist in me briefly fantasised when this all kicked off that it would be wonderful if the entire world came together to fight this. That everybody could stop all "defence" spending (ie. using money to buy toys for killing people with) and use it instead for actual defence against a real existential threat to civilisation. Too much to expect though that the human race would grow up...
Imagine how by converting defence spending into investment in clean energy and technology the strides that could be made towards a Net Zero world and how many lives that would save.
Convince Russia, China, North Korea etc to sign up to that first"
I think you'll find the same challenge with our government |
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"Yes, if for no reason other than self-protection (but also because it's the right thing to do). There is a responsibility for richer countries to try to get their own populations properly vaccinated, but the responsibility does not stop there. The aim should be to get everyone done, whether they have money or not.
The idealist in me briefly fantasised when this all kicked off that it would be wonderful if the entire world came together to fight this. That everybody could stop all "defence" spending (ie. using money to buy toys for killing people with) and use it instead for actual defence against a real existential threat to civilisation. Too much to expect though that the human race would grow up...
Imagine how by converting defence spending into investment in clean energy and technology the strides that could be made towards a Net Zero world and how many lives that would save. "
We can't claim to be an advanced species and civilisation, when we won't countenance such a thing  |
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We could set a date, say September, for vaccination and then implementing the covid passport for venues, whilst diverting surplus vaccines overseas - subject to Swing's point about vaccine storage and shelflife. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Do you know what it's a really difficult one.
I believe this country and many others have the resources to be able to donate vaccines to countries unable to secure their own as well as offer booster jabs to the most vulnerable in this country.
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"We could set a date, say September, for vaccination and then implementing the covid passport for venues, whilst diverting surplus vaccines overseas - subject to Swing's point about vaccine storage and shelflife. "
Is it the Johnson and Johnson back seen the is just one shot that was initially intended for Countries that would have issues with storage and shelf life?
Iv not heard much about that recently. |
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"Yes, if for no reason other than self-protection (but also because it's the right thing to do). There is a responsibility for richer countries to try to get their own populations properly vaccinated, but the responsibility does not stop there. The aim should be to get everyone done, whether they have money or not.
The idealist in me briefly fantasised when this all kicked off that it would be wonderful if the entire world came together to fight this. That everybody could stop all "defence" spending (ie. using money to buy toys for killing people with) and use it instead for actual defence against a real existential threat to civilisation. Too much to expect though that the human race would grow up...
Imagine how by converting defence spending into investment in clean energy and technology the strides that could be made towards a Net Zero world and how many lives that would save.
We can't claim to be an advanced species and civilisation, when we won't countenance such a thing "
Nor a civilised country if we won't act because other countries won't. |
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"Yes, if for no reason other than self-protection (but also because it's the right thing to do). There is a responsibility for richer countries to try to get their own populations properly vaccinated, but the responsibility does not stop there. The aim should be to get everyone done, whether they have money or not.
The idealist in me briefly fantasised when this all kicked off that it would be wonderful if the entire world came together to fight this. That everybody could stop all "defence" spending (ie. using money to buy toys for killing people with) and use it instead for actual defence against a real existential threat to civilisation. Too much to expect though that the human race would grow up...
Imagine how by converting defence spending into investment in clean energy and technology the strides that could be made towards a Net Zero world and how many lives that would save. "
Given that defense spending is an industry unto itself, hence the perpetual wars. I doubt we will ever see that outside of a catastrophic event that threatens humanity as a whole. Even then, we'll all end up fighting over whatever remains. |
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