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By *onyDunn OP Man
over a year ago
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I am a manager of 26 engineers. Real life experience of C19
Monday 2nd the wife of one engineer was +ve on the home test (took because she felt fatigue/tiredness and slight cough) He home tested and was -ve but SI. Tuesday was mildly unwell but did the test at the testing centre. She was +ve and he was -ve. On the Thursday he lost his sense of smell, home tested +ve. She is really unwell. Friday night he had a fever that lasted till Sunday. Could not get warm, shivering and cold like symtoms. But temp was up t0 40 something. Headaches, tired, slept through etc. Monday felt better. Wednesday (today) feels a lot better but a bit chesty still (odd cough). Says now he felt hes was dying on Saturday and cannot remember much except the headache, paractetomol and shivers.
Both double vaccinated (months ago), about 60 years old, slim but not fitness nuts. No underlying health issues, known.
Glad he had the vaccine. Dreads being ill like that again.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have a friend who has just recovered from the virus.
She is 29, no underlying health issues, double vaccination. It hit her so hard that she was bed ridden for almost two weeks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's a potentially horrific disease and they are perhaps very fortunate to be alive. "
Behave.
As fully vacced it would be far more accurate to say they are unlucky to have had it so bad.
But in any case, jabs have done their job - hospital not required, reaction like a bad dose of flu. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Unfortunately this vaxine only gives you resistance to it not stops you catching it.
Enables your body to react quicker rather than ending up in hospital with life threatening effects.
So keeping your distance and masks although no longer required by law should still be used.
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Unfortunately this vaxine only gives you resistance to it not stops you catching it.
Enables your body to react quicker rather than ending up in hospital with life threatening effects.
So keeping your distance and masks although no longer required by law should still be used.
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"A 100% efficiency in stopping infection and onward transmission is called sterilising immunity. Few vaccines achieve that."
No vaccine can stop you from being infected, but neither can any natural immunity. You need to actually be infected before the immune response (however it's acquired) can actually respond, immunity isn't some sort of anti-viral forcefield that repels any virus within 10 yards.
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No vaccine stops you getting what ever your are vaccinated against all it does is help the body fight the virus as it.
If you are vaccinated it doesn't mean you cant catch the virus it just means your body has a better chance against the virus if you do catch it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A person has died from covid after being double jabbed.
They say it could of been much worse if the person was not jabbed.
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I taught generally you could only die once ? Are we saying if not double jabbed you could die twice ! Or, do they mean double jabbed will give you a slower death rather than unvaccinated who will have a quicker death ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In the good old days if you took a vaccine you actually developed immunity to the disease."
You need to educate yourself a little better! A vaccine does not stop you from catching a disease, it helps to educate your body in fighting it if you are unfortunate enough to catch it.
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By *aussageMan
over a year ago
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"In the good old days if you took a vaccine you actually developed immunity to the disease.
You need to educate yourself a little better! A vaccine does not stop you from catching a disease, it helps to educate your body in fighting it if you are unfortunate enough to catch it.
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The mmr vaccine for example is supposed to be 90+% efficacious, and protection is supposed to last for life. Licensing of the shot depends on it still working and being effective. Working means people don't get sick with the virus. This is clearly not happening with the covid vaccines. I read today the Pfizer jab is only supposed to be 42% effective against the delta variant. |
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"In the good old days if you took a vaccine you actually developed immunity to the disease.
You need to educate yourself a little better! A vaccine does not stop you from catching a disease, it helps to educate your body in fighting it if you are unfortunate enough to catch it.
The mmr vaccine for example is supposed to be 90+% efficacious, and protection is supposed to last for life. Licensing of the shot depends on it still working and being effective. Working means people don't get sick with the virus. This is clearly not happening with the covid vaccines. I read today the Pfizer jab is only supposed to be 42% effective against the delta variant. "
Huh. That's hilarious and inaccurate.
Before I moved to the UK I was given an extra MMR specifically because my immunity was no longer sufficient (after one MMR when I was an infant and a second when I was fifteen, per the Australian vaccine schedule). So my second MMR lasted less than ten years.
I don't know where you're getting your information from, but it's demonstrably wrong. |
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"In the good old days if you took a vaccine you actually developed immunity to the disease.
You need to educate yourself a little better! A vaccine does not stop you from catching a disease, it helps to educate your body in fighting it if you are unfortunate enough to catch it.
The mmr vaccine for example is supposed to be 90+% efficacious, and protection is supposed to last for life. Licensing of the shot depends on it still working and being effective. Working means people don't get sick with the virus. This is clearly not happening with the covid vaccines. I read today the Pfizer jab is only supposed to be 42% effective against the delta variant. "
I don't doubt the vaccine works for some people for some time. Actually I think it probably helped me recently when I caught covid. I have doubts it's as efficacious as most claims... The reason is if we have such high herd immunity already (take the number of jabbed and add those 30k a day for the last 6 weeks who are being infected and we are into very high 90s percentages) why are new infections still so high? And increasing? And duration never seems to be discussed at all.in my experience when things aren't ever mentioned there's a reason. And I also doubt that all brands of vaccines have the same numbers as they all seem to have been grouped together now. I fear this winter is going to be nasty and challenging but hope I'm very wrong. We do of course have to try and move on. I'm just not sure we've yet got it right. Having accurate and timely and appropriate information would be helpful. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A person has died from covid after being double jabbed.
They say it could of been much worse if the person was not jabbed.
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Can it get much worse. Am I missing something. Hopefully wasnt a flippant comment as that would rather cold and cruel dnt you think |
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"A person has died from covid after being double jabbed.
They say it could of been much worse if the person was not jabbed.
Can it get much worse. Am I missing something. Hopefully wasnt a flippant comment as that would rather cold and cruel dnt you think"
I suspect its an attempt at wit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A person has died from covid after being double jabbed.
They say it could of been much worse if the person was not jabbed.
Can it get much worse. Am I missing something. Hopefully wasnt a flippant comment as that would rather cold and cruel dnt you think
I suspect its an attempt at wit. "
Mmmm ok. Very bad attempt as dying is nothing to make jokes about |
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By *ason_xMan
over a year ago
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Vaccines you say - experimental drugs not properly clinically trialled and tested through the proper phasing method.
I know a nurse working in a COVID ward, 57 out of 60 patients have been double vaxxed...3 weren’t... |
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"Vaccines you say - experimental drugs not properly clinically trialled and tested through the proper phasing method.
I know a nurse working in a COVID ward, 57 out of 60 patients have been double vaxxed...3 weren’t..."
What do you conclude from 57 being double jabbed and 3 not? |
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"Vaccines you say - experimental drugs not properly clinically trialled and tested through the proper phasing method.
I know a nurse working in a COVID ward, 57 out of 60 patients have been double vaxxed...3 weren’t..."
Even if these numbers are right, they do not say much. If most of the double vaxxed patients are old people or immunicompromised people. Just because they are double vaxxed, it does not mean that they develop the same number of antibodies with younger and healthier people. But if most of the 57 are not in the ICU or on a ventilator because they have been double vaccinated, the vaccine offers them some protection already. My 85 year old mother is in a relatively poor health but double vaccinated. Obviously she did not develop enough antibodies as a few months after she got tested positive. She got hospitalised but not in ICU. Without the vaccine, she would be a goner. |
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"Vaccines you say - experimental drugs not properly clinically trialled and tested through the proper phasing method.
I know a nurse working in a COVID ward, 57 out of 60 patients have been double vaxxed...3 weren’t...
Even if these numbers are right, they do not say much. If most of the double vaxxed patients are old people or immunicompromised people. Just because they are double vaxxed, it does not mean that they develop the same number of antibodies with younger and healthier people. But if most of the 57 are not in the ICU or on a ventilator because they have been double vaccinated, the vaccine offers them some protection already. My 85 year old mother is in a relatively poor health but double vaccinated. Obviously she did not develop enough antibodies as a few months after she got tested positive. She got hospitalised but not in ICU. Without the vaccine, she would be a goner."
This is where I think again there has been a complete failure of communication and education. There will come a point almost all admissions are double jabbed or with a covid pass. This is inevitable. It's also very easy to see how those facts can be used by the antis. It's also reasonable to question the efficacy of the new vaccines. And that would include the upsides where it helped save elderly and infirm or at risk from much worse consequences. It's also reasonable to share and update the information far and wide to help avoid conspiracy theories. |
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By *aussageMan
over a year ago
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"In the good old days if you took a vaccine you actually developed immunity to the disease.
You need to educate yourself a little better! A vaccine does not stop you from catching a disease, it helps to educate your body in fighting it if you are unfortunate enough to catch it.
The mmr vaccine for example is supposed to be 90+% efficacious, and protection is supposed to last for life. Licensing of the shot depends on it still working and being effective. Working means people don't get sick with the virus. This is clearly not happening with the covid vaccines. I read today the Pfizer jab is only supposed to be 42% effective against the delta variant.
Huh. That's hilarious and inaccurate.
Before I moved to the UK I was given an extra MMR specifically because my immunity was no longer sufficient (after one MMR when I was an infant and a second when I was fifteen, per the Australian vaccine schedule). So my second MMR lasted less than ten years.
I don't know where you're getting your information from, but it's demonstrably wrong. "
Yes the CDC itself. For most people immunity is supposed to last for life. |
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"In the good old days if you took a vaccine you actually developed immunity to the disease.
You need to educate yourself a little better! A vaccine does not stop you from catching a disease, it helps to educate your body in fighting it if you are unfortunate enough to catch it.
The mmr vaccine for example is supposed to be 90+% efficacious, and protection is supposed to last for life. Licensing of the shot depends on it still working and being effective. Working means people don't get sick with the virus. This is clearly not happening with the covid vaccines. I read today the Pfizer jab is only supposed to be 42% effective against the delta variant.
Huh. That's hilarious and inaccurate.
Before I moved to the UK I was given an extra MMR specifically because my immunity was no longer sufficient (after one MMR when I was an infant and a second when I was fifteen, per the Australian vaccine schedule). So my second MMR lasted less than ten years.
I don't know where you're getting your information from, but it's demonstrably wrong.
Yes the CDC itself. For most people immunity is supposed to last for life."
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html
"MMR vaccine is very effective at protecting people against measles, mumps, and rubella, and preventing the complications caused by these diseases. People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella. While MMR provides effective protection against mumps for most people, immunity against mumps may decrease over time and some people may no longer be protected against mumps later in life. An additional dose may be needed if you are at risk because of a mumps outbreak."
One, according to the US schedule, which is three doses.
Two, it goes on to recommend additional doses in some circumstances.
Two, it says "considered protected", which does not say "sterilising immunity" or "definitely will not be infected".
(Further, we know damn well that polio vaccines don't protect against infection and that vaccine induced polio is a thing. So the good old days... before the 1950s? When iron lungs were a thing and some kids got encephalitis and died from measles?)
In the good old days it wasn't as easy to check claims. Ah. I don't miss it. |
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"Vaccines you say - experimental drugs not properly clinically trialled and tested through the proper phasing method.
I know a nurse working in a COVID ward, 57 out of 60 patients have been double vaxxed...3 weren’t...
Even if these numbers are right, they do not say much. If most of the double vaxxed patients are old people or immunicompromised people. Just because they are double vaxxed, it does not mean that they develop the same number of antibodies with younger and healthier people. But if most of the 57 are not in the ICU or on a ventilator because they have been double vaccinated, the vaccine offers them some protection already. My 85 year old mother is in a relatively poor health but double vaccinated. Obviously she did not develop enough antibodies as a few months after she got tested positive. She got hospitalised but not in ICU. Without the vaccine, she would be a goner.
This is where I think again there has been a complete failure of communication and education. There will come a point almost all admissions are double jabbed or with a covid pass. This is inevitable. It's also very easy to see how those facts can be used by the antis. It's also reasonable to question the efficacy of the new vaccines. And that would include the upsides where it helped save elderly and infirm or at risk from much worse consequences. It's also reasonable to share and update the information far and wide to help avoid conspiracy theories. "
I am not sure whether additional facts would do any good. The antivaxxers will continue be antivaxxers. No matter what info you will give them, they will twist it. And I believe it will confuse even more people who are undecided.
In UK things are not so bad as most of the adult population is double vaccinated.
In other countries is even worse. The antivaxxers and even sceptics question almost everything.
They question people who said they got covid (that they got money to say they got covid). The question people who died from covid (they say their relatives got money to say the person who died, died from covid. They question relatives of people who they believe they died as a result of the vaccine. Even if the coroner and the family say that the cause of death was not due to the vaccine, they say the family got bribed. Madness. |
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"Vaccines you say - experimental drugs not properly clinically trialled and tested through the proper phasing method.
I know a nurse working in a COVID ward, 57 out of 60 patients have been double vaxxed...3 weren’t..."
Hmmm critical thinker you say yet have 0.01% knowledge of clinical trials and phases. I will value your further ramblings  |
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By *aussageMan
over a year ago
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People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella. "
You proved my own point for me. Immunity is supposed to be for life. Yes it's been known for a long time the mumps component may not have been that effective. It's supposed to be, but isn't.
Not sure why you brought up Polio. But in developing countries they used a live supposedly attenuated version of the virus, given orally. In the west this vaccine was considered dangerous and was taken off the market decades ago. In India they caused really an epidemic of Polio. Tens of thousands of children permanently destroyed by this vaccine, and they hailed the program a success. You see for each case of vaccine induced Polio they invented a new name for the disease, non-polio acute flaccid paralysis, or for layman "not polio". Apparently it's twice as deadly as regular polio but otherwise the symptoms are 100% identical. They replaced wild polio with the vaccine strain and claimed eradication. It's beyond absurd. |
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People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.
You proved my own point for me. Immunity is supposed to be for life. Yes it's been known for a long time the mumps component may not have been that effective. It's supposed to be, but isn't.
Not sure why you brought up Polio. But in developing countries they used a live supposedly attenuated version of the virus, given orally. In the west this vaccine was considered dangerous and was taken off the market decades ago. In India they caused really an epidemic of Polio. Tens of thousands of children permanently destroyed by this vaccine, and they hailed the program a success. You see for each case of vaccine induced Polio they invented a new name for the disease, non-polio acute flaccid paralysis, or for layman "not polio". Apparently it's twice as deadly as regular polio but otherwise the symptoms are 100% identical. They replaced wild polio with the vaccine strain and claimed eradication. It's beyond absurd."
Ok. I'm sure the fact that you read "considered protected" as "sterilising immunity" is proof that it's so. Rather than "in most cases will be protected from disease, but sometimes will need further protection", which is what the rest of the page says  |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"Vaccines you say - experimental drugs not properly clinically trialled and tested through the proper phasing method.
I know a nurse working in a COVID ward, 57 out of 60 patients have been double vaxxed...3 weren’t..."
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines-development-evaluation-approval-monitoring
Here to help.
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"A person has died from covid after being double jabbed.
They say it could of been much worse if the person was not jabbed.
I taught generally you could only die once ? Are we saying if not double jabbed you could die twice ! Or, do they mean double jabbed will give you a slower death rather than unvaccinated who will have a quicker death ? "
This isn’t true! I once died from malaria and I’m sure I’ll die again at some point………unless I’m to live forever?  |
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"A person has died from covid after being double jabbed.
They say it could of been much worse if the person was not jabbed.
I taught generally you could only die once ? Are we saying if not double jabbed you could die twice ! Or, do they mean double jabbed will give you a slower death rather than unvaccinated who will have a quicker death ?
This isn’t true! I once died from malaria and I’m sure I’ll die again at some point………unless I’m to live forever? "
Was that from malaria or with malaria... Apparently its important to know these things... And had you been on a bus in the 28 days previously. |
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"Vaccines you say - experimental drugs not properly clinically trialled and tested through the proper phasing method.
I know a nurse working in a COVID ward, 57 out of 60 patients have been double vaxxed...3 weren’t...
Even if these numbers are right, they do not say much. If most of the double vaxxed patients are old people or immunicompromised people. Just because they are double vaxxed, it does not mean that they develop the same number of antibodies with younger and healthier people. But if most of the 57 are not in the ICU or on a ventilator because they have been double vaccinated, the vaccine offers them some protection already. My 85 year old mother is in a relatively poor health but double vaccinated. Obviously she did not develop enough antibodies as a few months after she got tested positive. She got hospitalised but not in ICU. Without the vaccine, she would be a goner.
This is where I think again there has been a complete failure of communication and education. There will come a point almost all admissions are double jabbed or with a covid pass. This is inevitable. It's also very easy to see how those facts can be used by the antis. It's also reasonable to question the efficacy of the new vaccines. And that would include the upsides where it helped save elderly and infirm or at risk from much worse consequences. It's also reasonable to share and update the information far and wide to help avoid conspiracy theories.
I am not sure whether additional facts would do any good. The antivaxxers will continue be antivaxxers. No matter what info you will give them, they will twist it. And I believe it will confuse even more people who are undecided.
In UK things are not so bad as most of the adult population is double vaccinated.
In other countries is even worse. The antivaxxers and even sceptics question almost everything.
They question people who said they got covid (that they got money to say they got covid). The question people who died from covid (they say their relatives got money to say the person who died, died from covid. They question relatives of people who they believe they died as a result of the vaccine. Even if the coroner and the family say that the cause of death was not due to the vaccine, they say the family got bribed. Madness."
There is a technical scientific term for people who refuse to accept objective reality: "dangerous crackpots who should be ignored, and preferably isolated to prevent them causing harm to themselves and others". |
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"A person has died from covid after being double jabbed.
They say it could of been much worse if the person was not jabbed.
I taught generally you could only die once ? Are we saying if not double jabbed you could die twice ! Or, do they mean double jabbed will give you a slower death rather than unvaccinated who will have a quicker death ?
This isn’t true! I once died from malaria and I’m sure I’ll die again at some point………unless I’m to live forever?
Was that from malaria or with malaria... Apparently its important to know these things... And had you been on a bus in the 28 days previously. "
With malaria. Wouldn’t want the grammar police shouting at me lol
And I’d been on a team bus (football manager) so does that count? |
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"Vaccines you say - experimental drugs not properly clinically trialled and tested through the proper phasing method.
I know a nurse working in a COVID ward, 57 out of 60 patients have been double vaxxed...3 weren’t...
Even if these numbers are right, they do not say much. If most of the double vaxxed patients are old people or immunicompromised people. Just because they are double vaxxed, it does not mean that they develop the same number of antibodies with younger and healthier people. But if most of the 57 are not in the ICU or on a ventilator because they have been double vaccinated, the vaccine offers them some protection already. My 85 year old mother is in a relatively poor health but double vaccinated. Obviously she did not develop enough antibodies as a few months after she got tested positive. She got hospitalised but not in ICU. Without the vaccine, she would be a goner.
This is where I think again there has been a complete failure of communication and education. There will come a point almost all admissions are double jabbed or with a covid pass. This is inevitable. It's also very easy to see how those facts can be used by the antis. It's also reasonable to question the efficacy of the new vaccines. And that would include the upsides where it helped save elderly and infirm or at risk from much worse consequences. It's also reasonable to share and update the information far and wide to help avoid conspiracy theories.
I am not sure whether additional facts would do any good. The antivaxxers will continue be antivaxxers. No matter what info you will give them, they will twist it. And I believe it will confuse even more people who are undecided.
In UK things are not so bad as most of the adult population is double vaccinated.
In other countries is even worse. The antivaxxers and even sceptics question almost everything.
They question people who said they got covid (that they got money to say they got covid). The question people who died from covid (they say their relatives got money to say the person who died, died from covid. They question relatives of people who they believe they died as a result of the vaccine. Even if the coroner and the family say that the cause of death was not due to the vaccine, they say the family got bribed. Madness."
Then put a rare person on prime television-despite the NHS rule in place since March 2020 that relatives/family only were allowed 1 hour before death to see their relatives friends loved one I sat through 6 days and 7 nights never leaving my wife's side ( except to drink water of the tap and toilet )
I saw what liver failure plus Cov19 does to a person. The tracking of the body due to pain of no oxygen in the blood ( equal to benders from diving ), to see eyes go blood red from burst vessels, the finger tips and toes go purple from lack of blood and oxygen. To the point were the patient's mind shuts down and only their body still somehow functions.
That is burned into my mind for the rest of my life despite being at the death bed of many ( in Switzerland they are more forthcoming in dealing with death ).
I can give all antivaxxer a detailed description of a slow, nasty death in a well mannered quiet way.
But the media shun such as it is too nasty " one does not talk about death ( reply Sky ) "
However until Father Death is knocking at the door they will not listen, nor act. When he knocks it is too late and their consequences of actions have fall out to their friends, partners, families |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A person has died from covid after being double jabbed.
They say it could of been much worse if the person was not jabbed.
I taught generally you could only die once ? Are we saying if not double jabbed you could die twice ! Or, do they mean double jabbed will give you a slower death rather than unvaccinated who will have a quicker death ?
This isn’t true! I once died from malaria and I’m sure I’ll die again at some point………unless I’m to live forever?
Was that from malaria or with malaria... Apparently its important to know these things... And had you been on a bus in the 28 days previously.
With malaria. Wouldn’t want the grammar police shouting at me lol
And I’d been on a team bus (football manager) so does that count?"
So you died from malaria. Are you a ghost then? Not sure what you are talking about. I think if im correct we only die once if not then bloody WOW I GET ANOTHER GO. |
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