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A question for the sceptics who have not been yet vaccinated

By *traight_no_ice OP Man over a year ago

Stoke

I just read on CNN.

Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine is currently only authorized for emergency use in the United States, but its full approval by the US Food and Drug Administration could happen within weeks.

Should this happen and UK gives also its full approval, would this make you change your stance towards this particular covid vaccine?

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple over a year ago

liverpool

No. Its completely unnecessary.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. Its completely unnecessary. "

How do you get to that conclusion?

When current evidence regarding cases, hospitalisations and deaths would seem to prove the opposite.

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By *lym4realCouple over a year ago

plymouth

Loving the denial of facts !! interesting article in the observer about the whole thing ..very akin to a con or people being a victim of a con ..apparently ..

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By *heNaturistCoupleCouple over a year ago

crewe

I'm pretty sure the Modena, Merck, AZ, Sputnik ones are no different, no vaccine gets fully approved until final stages are finished, alot of that is simply red tape

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By *traight_no_ice OP Man over a year ago

Stoke

I am only asking because one of the main arguments of some sceptics is that the vaccine has not get full approval but only emergency approval. Maybe a full approval will be a game changer for some sceptics. Even if it is only for the vaccine of one company.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I doubt that will convince antivaxxers. They don't seem bothered by facts.

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By *heNaturistCoupleCouple over a year ago

crewe

"I am only asking because one of the main arguments of some sceptics is that the vaccine has not get full approval but only emergency approval. Maybe a full approval will be a game changer for some sceptics. Even if it is only for the vaccine of one company. "

We're not really concerned about full approval or FDA approval(they approve all sorts of stuff which is dodgy to be fair).

Trials and data all day everyday for us.

Pfizer along with all the rest look very reasonable in there side effects and are shown to be highly efficacious.

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By *traight_no_ice OP Man over a year ago

Stoke

"I doubt that will convince antivaxxers. They don't seem bothered by facts."

This is why the question is not meant for the antivaxxers. The antivaxxers are not sceptics. They got a lot of other more vague arguments about New world order etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I doubt that will convince antivaxxers. They don't seem bothered by facts.

This is why the question is not meant for the antivaxxers. The antivaxxers are not sceptics. They got a lot of other more vague arguments about New world order etc."

Unfortunately the vaccine hesitant and the people who are just very frightened are lumped in as “antivaxxers”.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I doubt that will convince antivaxxers. They don't seem bothered by facts.

This is why the question is not meant for the antivaxxers. The antivaxxers are not sceptics. They got a lot of other more vague arguments about New world order etc.

Unfortunately the vaccine hesitant and the people who are just very frightened are lumped in as “antivaxxers”."

Yes, I think similarly. It's lazy thinking in some cases, and deliberate in others.

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By *traight_no_ice OP Man over a year ago

Stoke

"I doubt that will convince antivaxxers. They don't seem bothered by facts.

This is why the question is not meant for the antivaxxers. The antivaxxers are not sceptics. They got a lot of other more vague arguments about New world order etc.

Unfortunately the vaccine hesitant and the people who are just very frightened are lumped in as “antivaxxers”."

Not by me. I have best friends who are vaccine hesitant and not antivaxxers. However, they are falling for some of the rhetoric of antivaxxers. I would not consider them as antivaxxers. The ones though who tried yesterday to break into the BBC offices, I would not consider them as sceptics.

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By *empsey and hotpieceMan over a year ago

North west

A true antivaxxer won’t be swayed from their opinions.

I read an interesting article this morning, written in the USA , analysing why the U.K. infection rate is dropping , and more importantly the hospital admissions and deaths are staying low. The conclusion was , school holidays and high vaccine uptake are why. It’s not rocket science but there’s some who just don’t understand.

In the USA the uptake hasn’t been as successful, particularly in some of the southern states which are seeing a worrying increase in infections .

So this is only my conclusion, it’s a sweeping generalisation I know, but,,,southern states, with a large redneck population who were staunch trump supporters , are now antivax, says it all really

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I doubt that will convince antivaxxers. They don't seem bothered by facts.

This is why the question is not meant for the antivaxxers. The antivaxxers are not sceptics. They got a lot of other more vague arguments about New world order etc.

Unfortunately the vaccine hesitant and the people who are just very frightened are lumped in as “antivaxxers”.

And the ones targeting the owner of G.A.Y

I think the problem is most people understand why people would be hesitant but often the reasons the hesitant give are along the lines of the anti-vaccine rhetoric.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"A true antivaxxer won’t be swayed from their opinions.

In the USA the uptake hasn’t been as successful, particularly in some of the southern states which are seeing a worrying increase in infections .

So this is only my conclusion, it’s a sweeping generalisation I know, but,,,southern states, with a large redneck population who were staunch trump supporters , are now antivax, says it all really

I think it's unfortunate that disease mitigation, or lack thereof, has become a sign of one's political tribe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A true antivaxxer won’t be swayed from their opinions.

In the USA the uptake hasn’t been as successful, particularly in some of the southern states which are seeing a worrying increase in infections .

So this is only my conclusion, it’s a sweeping generalisation I know, but,,,southern states, with a large redneck population who were staunch trump supporters , are now antivax, says it all really

It's a little bit different in America anyway because the whole anti-vax movement has been quite big there for several decades.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"A true antivaxxer won’t be swayed from their opinions.

In the USA the uptake hasn’t been as successful, particularly in some of the southern states which are seeing a worrying increase in infections .

So this is only my conclusion, it’s a sweeping generalisation I know, but,,,southern states, with a large redneck population who were staunch trump supporters , are now antivax, says it all really

It's a little bit different in America anyway because the whole anti-vax movement has been quite big there for several decades. "

They've been more vocal - but I think the Wakefield MMR thing has lingering effects here. (As noted before, I had to check my measles immunity due to outbreaks, before I arrived in the UK, over ten years after the Wakefield mess. Although I was fully vaccinated according to Australian schedule, one of my titers had waned, so my doctor erred on the side of caution and gave me another MMR)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The whole antivaxxer thing is basically a mad cult. People get sucked into it by being told to believe mad things. Then they're surrouned by others who believe those things, so they're convinced it all has to be true. Anything that threatens those beliefs (such as facts) is ignored, ridiculed or attacked. And, like with any other cult, it's bloody hard to drag somebody out when they've gone all the way in.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"No. Its completely unnecessary. "

The USA authorisation is unnecessary? It's approved in the UK, following all of the standard, required Trials stages.

It's vaccines or restrictions, the only 2 tools that we have to reduce the burden on our lives, those lives that happily remain, our society/economy, allowing the NHS to manage to recover and reduce its huge backlog. No other tools exist to get this to happen.

With autumn approaching, we'll have increases in other respiratory infections increasing their burden on us all, more time indoors and in workplaces, so every one of us vaccinated balances the need for restrictions and resources that the other demands that will exist.

Not everyone can be vaccinated. My aunt was diagnosed with terminal cancer yesterday and is in hospital and people like her need the rest of us to help to make things safer for us all. Her final days are going to be dictated to by us.

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

"I doubt that will convince antivaxxers. They don't seem bothered by facts."

I'm not an anti vaxer, I'm genuinely concerned as I do not believe what we are being told. I also know people who have had clots resulting on strokes. I'm worried about having the jabs and worried about my health

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"My aunt was diagnosed with terminal cancer yesterday and is in hospital and people like her need the rest of us to help to make things safer for us all. Her final days are going to be dictated to by us. "

I wish her all the best. And you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I doubt that will convince antivaxxers. They don't seem bothered by facts.

This is why the question is not meant for the antivaxxers. The antivaxxers are not sceptics. They got a lot of other more vague arguments about New world order etc.

Unfortunately the vaccine hesitant and the people who are just very frightened are lumped in as “antivaxxers”.

It shows how up to date with current news they were, because the BBC left that building years ago.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I doubt that will convince antivaxxers. They don't seem bothered by facts.

This is why the question is not meant for the antivaxxers. The antivaxxers are not sceptics. They got a lot of other more vague arguments about New world order etc.

Unfortunately the vaccine hesitant and the people who are just very frightened are lumped in as “antivaxxers”.

It shows how up to date with current news they were, because the BBC left that building years ago."

It's almost as if they believe things that aren't true. How odd...

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By *empsey and hotpieceMan over a year ago

North west

"A true antivaxxer won’t be swayed from their opinions.

In the USA the uptake hasn’t been as successful, particularly in some of the southern states which are seeing a worrying increase in infections .

So this is only my conclusion, it’s a sweeping generalisation I know, but,,,southern states, with a large redneck population who were staunch trump supporters , are now antivax, says it all really

I think it's unfortunate that disease mitigation, or lack thereof, has become a sign of one's political tribe. "

Like I said, it’s my own sweeping generalisation, but there has to be a link “the brainwashed gene”?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

I wish her all the best. And you."

Thanks sweetie

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By *elshsunsWoman over a year ago

Flintshire

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"A true antivaxxer won’t be swayed from their opinions.

In the USA the uptake hasn’t been as successful, particularly in some of the southern states which are seeing a worrying increase in infections .

So this is only my conclusion, it’s a sweeping generalisation I know, but,,,southern states, with a large redneck population who were staunch trump supporters , are now antivax, says it all really

I think it's unfortunate that disease mitigation, or lack thereof, has become a sign of one's political tribe.

Like I said, it’s my own sweeping generalisation, but there has to be a link “the brainwashed gene”?

I think people like to follow their tribe.

I know some of my family, who are staunchly right wing but fairly scientifically literate, wrestle with their knowledge versus their tribe. (I stay the fuck out of it)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A true antivaxxer won’t be swayed from their opinions.

In the USA the uptake hasn’t been as successful, particularly in some of the southern states which are seeing a worrying increase in infections .

So this is only my conclusion, it’s a sweeping generalisation I know, but,,,southern states, with a large redneck population who were staunch trump supporters , are now antivax, says it all really

I think it's unfortunate that disease mitigation, or lack thereof, has become a sign of one's political tribe.

Like I said, it’s my own sweeping generalisation, but there has to be a link “the brainwashed gene”?

I think people like to follow their tribe.

I know some of my family, who are staunchly right wing but fairly scientifically literate, wrestle with their knowledge versus their tribe. (I stay the fuck out of it)"

My son has so far refused to have the vaccine.

All the rest of my family, most of his friends and work colleagues have had at least 1 jab so far though. So he is definitely not "following the tribe". He does know someone who had bad side effects but he knows a huge amount of people. To be honest I do not know where he is getting the idea that the vaccine is bad, probably off the internet. Hopefully he will change his mind and get jabbed soon.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wish these discussions could be had without the anti vaxxer accusation being thrown about. It is very clear people now fall into a number of different categories when it comes to vaccination:

Vaccinated

Un-vaccinated

Vaccine hesitant

Want to be vaxxed but can’t

Anti-vaxxers

There are often cross overs between the groups. Not everyone who is unvaccinated is an anti vaxxer!!!! Some are waiting for more info. Some cannot have it. Many have had their vaccines. People need to do what they feel is right for themselves. Its seems like regardless of what you do someone will get stick about it or applause i suppose.

To answer the OP i think its good that at least one vaccine is becoming universally recognised and accepted. Surely it makes it easier for international travel as not all vaccines are accepted by certain countries.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It won't change my mind. Because, they have to approve it now even if they weren't going to before. Can you imagine if once all the data is collected & the last clinical trial is completed They turn around & refuse to approve it. The chaos that would erupt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I doubt that will convince antivaxxers. They don't seem bothered by facts.

This is why the question is not meant for the antivaxxers. The antivaxxers are not sceptics. They got a lot of other more vague arguments about New world order etc.

Unfortunately the vaccine hesitant and the people who are just very frightened are lumped in as “antivaxxers”.

Attempting to break into the wrong building. I don’t think much more needs to be understood about that group.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It won't change my mind. Because, they have to approve it now even if they weren't going to before. Can you imagine if once all the data is collected & the last clinical trial is completed They turn around & refuse to approve it. The chaos that would erupt."

That's an interesting perspective. It would cause issues no doubt.

Could anything change your mind now ?

And if the full and non emergency approval was needed, would you have been okay if we were still locked down whilst waiting?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Group entry for the Darwin awards.....

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

I find it interesting that we are seeing many countries going back into lockdown. The UK isn’t. That’s probably because we have one of the best vaccine uptake rates in the world.

So for all the antivaxxers that are getting their info from Facebook memes and going out to pubs/shops/social events. I just want to say.

Your welcome.

The reason all that stuff is available to you is because the vast majority of us are smart enough to get vaccinated.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find it interesting that we are seeing many countries going back into lockdown. The UK isn’t. That’s probably because we have one of the best vaccine uptake rates in the world.

So for all the antivaxxers that are getting their info from Facebook memes and going out to pubs/shops/social events. I just want to say.

Your welcome.

The reason all that stuff is available to you is because the vast majority of us are smart enough to get vaccinated. "

Thanks

I honestly do appreciate it

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By *nkforthekinkMan over a year ago

london/fareham/brighton

"No "

It’s a no again from me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Group entry for the Darwin awards....."
I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small. "

I’d say the biggest issue is a very bad level of basic maths which allows them to fall for absolute dribble statistics that anyone with a gcse level of maths could pick apart.

It’s no coincidence that all the people on my Facebook that are vocal about not getting the vaccine are all the worst educated. A good number of them have fallen for MLM schemes in the past. And many of them take drugs.

Doesn’t take much to put that all together.

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By *andKBCouple over a year ago

Plymouth

"I find it interesting that we are seeing many countries going back into lockdown. The UK isn’t. That’s probably because we have one of the best vaccine uptake rates in the world.

So for all the antivaxxers that are getting their info from Facebook memes and going out to pubs/shops/social events. I just want to say.

Your welcome.

The reason all that stuff is available to you is because the vast majority of us are smart enough to get vaccinated.

Thanks

I honestly do appreciate it

Did you have a think on what I, and another said yesterday at all? I did speak to my friend since I thought it was interesting about nut allergy anaphylaxis. He said so far the AZ and Moderna have shown 0 contraindications with it. Pfizer still seems safe, but best avoided due to a possible risk.

I know you're worried about something happening, statistically you are far, far more likely to die from covid than the vaccine.

Obviously do best by yourself, but thought you'd appreciate the info.

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By *hatsthescoreMan over a year ago

Telford

Had covid and smashed it within a week.

This big bad Delta variant has killed 71 (yes 71 scary huh) people under the age of 50 of which only 48 were unvaxxed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find it interesting that we are seeing many countries going back into lockdown. The UK isn’t. That’s probably because we have one of the best vaccine uptake rates in the world.

So for all the antivaxxers that are getting their info from Facebook memes and going out to pubs/shops/social events. I just want to say.

Your welcome.

The reason all that stuff is available to you is because the vast majority of us are smart enough to get vaccinated.

Thanks

I honestly do appreciate it

I know you're worried about something happening, statistically you are far, far more likely to die from covid than the vaccine.

Obviously do best by yourself, but thought you'd appreciate the info.

Thankyou, I really appreciate it. I think the thing that worried me and initially worried the medics that I’d spoken to is that I suffer anaphylaxis and allergy responses to unknown sources. The last time I was hospitalised was from an unknown source and that’s scary!

I appreciate your input and Thankyou

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"A true antivaxxer won’t be swayed from their opinions.

In the USA the uptake hasn’t been as successful, particularly in some of the southern states which are seeing a worrying increase in infections .

So this is only my conclusion, it’s a sweeping generalisation I know, but,,,southern states, with a large redneck population who were staunch trump supporters , are now antivax, says it all really

I think it's unfortunate that disease mitigation, or lack thereof, has become a sign of one's political tribe.

Like I said, it’s my own sweeping generalisation, but there has to be a link “the brainwashed gene”?

I think people like to follow their tribe.

I know some of my family, who are staunchly right wing but fairly scientifically literate, wrestle with their knowledge versus their tribe. (I stay the fuck out of it)

My son has so far refused to have the vaccine.

Political tribe rather than personal tribe. We all have several tribes which may conflict.

I'll use a relative of mine as an example. Rabidly right wing, which is not a slam on anyone who's right wing, just, trust me they're extreme. Been biting my tongue for over 20 years and not even bothering. Their political tribe says masks are a tool of oppression.

But they're scientifically literate and they get the principle of mask wearing. They're clinically vulnerable. So that tribe is pro mask.

Their family is pro mask.

So they're conflicted. They wear the mask - and complain mightily

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My view is let them I'm past caring about people like that just annoyed that they are selfish

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By *hagTonightMan over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"No"
This

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If it had the live vaccine in it like the normal flu jab, had completed the clinical trials & had more information about the DNA part before being released then I probably would've had it. I'm not anti vax, I'm usually extremely pro vaccine, but there's just something about this thatdoesn't sit right with me, I'm high risk & have spent lockdown shielding for the most part.

Most people with my condition have had the vaxx but when it was first released we were told not too have it. They very quickly changed their minds & said to get it even though it can cause blood clots in some ppl. My body goes through so much naturally, I'm not going to put something in my body that no one is sure what it will long term do to me without the research being there. TBH before the vaccine was released I said I wasn't going to get it, as soon as they said immunity had been given to all the companies involved in the development of it.

They hadn't finished it yet they were protected from being sued that's very dodgy in my opinion.

I'm not one of those "its a fake virus made up" conspiracy ppl. I keep 3 masks on me at all times, just incase. This virus has ruined enough in my life, I have more then enough health issues to worry about. Without this vaccine making things even worse in the future. My nan hasn't been the same since she got the 2nd dose & if the same thing happened to me I'd be housebound forever. I am extremely careful/cautious about who I'm around since the virus came out,I barely leave the house. & tbh if I catch it, I'll most likely die but it will be because of my choice & not because I've been forced into something.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have some not been approved?

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By *traight_no_ice OP Man over a year ago

Stoke

Have some not been approved? "

They have been approved but for emergency use. And this does not sit well with some people, hence the question.

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

Have some not been approved?

They have been approved but for emergency use. And this does not sit well with some people, hence the question."

People still quoting american FDA as if that has any relevance to the MHRA. The regs are different over there - the term emergency use doesnt mean what anti vaxxers want it to mean - it is a procedural thing and nothing to do with safety data.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have some not been approved?

They have been approved but for emergency use. And this does not sit well with some people, hence the question.

To add: at the time we were still in the EU, and so medicines has to be authorised by the EMA however in emergencies local regulatord can grant temporary approval.

That is where we are now.

Ironically, had this been a few months later, we would be out of the EU, and MHRA would have been *the* authority in this.

I do wonder for those who are worried, if they have looked at what has been missed versus any other medicine they take. Or if the words emergency have just raised alarm bells.

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

For me it wouldn't. I'm hesitant to ge the jab because I feel that there is the potential for unintentional side effects in the long term and also I'm a little concerned about messing a out with my immune system when it's working perfectly right now (I've not had a day off sick since 2015). Then there is also the real prospect of needing annual boosters plus the government constant moving of goal posts does not inspire confidence.

I am not an anti vaxxer or conspiracy theorist. I think that the development of a working vaccine is a great achievement and I hope that it proves to be a success in allowing us to return to normality and protect the vulnerable etc.

I do also understand that I will probably need to have it sooner rather than later otherwise I will be excluded from certain things I value (mainly foreign travel). I just haven't come to the point of being comfortable using a drug which is very much in its infancy/trial stages.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For me it wouldn't. I'm hesitant to ge the jab because I feel that there is the potential for unintentional side effects in the long term and also I'm a little concerned about messing a out with my immune system when it's working perfectly right now (I've not had a day off sick since 2015). Then there is also the real prospect of needing annual boosters plus the government constant moving of goal posts does not inspire confidence.

You're much more likely to suffer long term harm from getting Covid than from getting a vaccine.

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

You're much more likely to suffer long term harm from getting Covid than from getting a vaccine."

It isn't in its infancy

It passed stage 3 trials

Stage 4 trials are post-distribution close monitoring

The vaccines are safe in every meaningful sense of the word

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple over a year ago

Chester

We've double jabbed in icu in our local hospitals which is concerning

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We've double jabbed in icu in our local hospitals which is concerning "
you will do. The jab isn't perfect. However, one can only hypothesise wherw they'd have been without a jab ...

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

You're much more likely to suffer long term harm from getting Covid than from getting a vaccine.

It isn't in its infancy

It passed stage 3 trials

Stage 4 trials are post-distribution close monitoring

The vaccines are safe in every meaningful sense of the word "

Except they haven't had time to prove themselves 100% safe yet, they are still very very new and Covid is a very recent illness.

I'm aware that over time the vaccines will likely prove to be incredibly safe it's just right now I don't feel particularly comfortable having my arm twisted into having them.

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

You're much more likely to suffer long term harm from getting Covid than from getting a vaccine.

It isn't in its infancy

It passed stage 3 trials

Stage 4 trials are post-distribution close monitoring

The vaccines are safe in every meaningful sense of the word

Except they haven't had time to prove themselves 100% safe yet, they are still very very new and Covid is a very recent illness.

I'm aware that over time the vaccines will likely prove to be incredibly safe it's just right now I don't feel particularly comfortable having my arm twisted into having them."

They have been proven safe. There is almost endless data to support this. Longitudinally we know they are safe because vaccine side effects dont occur 10 years later on - they occur within a few months of receiving the vaccine

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

"We've double jabbed in icu in our local hospitals which is concerning "

Its statistically likely - certain to have some double jabbed people in hospital and who will die from covid. That doesnt mean the vaccines arent massively effective and safe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You're much more likely to suffer long term harm from getting Covid than from getting a vaccine.

It isn't in its infancy

It passed stage 3 trials

Stage 4 trials are post-distribution close monitoring

The vaccines are safe in every meaningful sense of the word

Except they haven't had time to prove themselves 100% safe yet, they are still very very new and Covid is a very recent illness.

I'm aware that over time the vaccines will likely prove to be incredibly safe it's just right now I don't feel particularly comfortable having my arm twisted into having them."

For me, there's a genuine concern and a hook for disturbance in here. I wonder how many people understand what long term testing is done on any medicine, and how they get comfortable with any medicine passing the test they are holding for the covid vaccine. I sense many feel worried because of all the wiser noise and will use this as the reason. How long will they need to wait to get comfortable ?

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By *elshsunsWoman over a year ago

Flintshire

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small. "

Nope I’m 61 ... I’ve worked out in the community through all this with drug and alcohol users and not a sniffle .. maybe it’s because I’m healthy and look after my immune system who knows ... but I won’t be having it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small.

You might have to like you have had to have the Hep vaccines.

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By *elshsunsWoman over a year ago

Flintshire

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small.

You might have to like you have had to have the Hep vaccines. "

Nope hepatitis is not mandatory

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small.

You might have to like you have had to have the Hep vaccines.

Nope hepatitis is not mandatory "

No it's not but the vaccine is in almost all health authorities in the country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small.

You might have to like you have had to have the Hep vaccines.

Nope hepatitis is not mandatory

No it's not but the vaccine is in almost all health authorities in the country. "

For working with certain groups and the ones you say you work with is one of them but then you should know that already.

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By *elshsunsWoman over a year ago

Flintshire

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small.

You might have to like you have had to have the Hep vaccines.

Nope hepatitis is not mandatory

No it's not but the vaccine is in almost all health authorities in the country.

For working with certain groups and the ones you say you work with is one of them but then you should know that already. "

Know what????! It’s not mandatory I’m not jabbed

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By *ed wineMan over a year ago

Where the streets have no name

"I just read on CNN.

Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine is currently only authorized for emergency use in the United States, but its full approval by the US Food and Drug Administration could happen within weeks.

Should this happen and UK gives also its full approval, would this make you change your stance towards this particular covid vaccine? "

Well, I am not fully aware of the legal terms concerning the full approval but already a month ago I received a Pfizer jab in my GP. I had the possibility to choose between this one and the A-Z

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small.

You might have to like you have had to have the Hep vaccines.

Nope hepatitis is not mandatory

No it's not but the vaccine is in almost all health authorities in the country.

For working with certain groups and the ones you say you work with is one of them but then you should know that already.

Know what????! It’s not mandatory I’m not jabbed "

OK then!

That's a health risk to you and the people you work with. Again you should know that.

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By *elshsunsWoman over a year ago

Flintshire

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small.

You might have to like you have had to have the Hep vaccines.

Nope hepatitis is not mandatory

No it's not but the vaccine is in almost all health authorities in the country.

For working with certain groups and the ones you say you work with is one of them but then you should know that already.

Know what????! It’s not mandatory I’m not jabbed

OK then!

That's a health risk to you and the people you work with. Again you should know that. "

Not at all ... your safe if your jabbed aren’t you??? From me the unjabbed ??? Well I’ve been safe for 18 months I’m sure that will continue ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I just read on CNN.

Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine is currently only authorized for emergency use in the United States, but its full approval by the US Food and Drug Administration could happen within weeks.

Should this happen and UK gives also its full approval, would this make you change your stance towards this particular covid vaccine? "

I would not apply any personal opinion on anything quoted on CNN until AFTER I'd had chance to research the facts for myself. Same for Times, Newsgroup, Daily Fail or any other "news" network.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small.

You might have to like you have had to have the Hep vaccines.

Nope hepatitis is not mandatory

No it's not but the vaccine is in almost all health authorities in the country.

For working with certain groups and the ones you say you work with is one of them but then you should know that already.

Know what????! It’s not mandatory I’m not jabbed

OK then!

That's a health risk to you and the people you work with. Again you should know that.

Not at all ... your safe if your jabbed aren’t you??? From me the unjabbed ??? Well I’ve been safe for 18 months I’m sure that will continue ... "

What are you talking about! I very clearly said about we hepatitis vaccine not covid!

You also seem to be missing the point and it is rather concerning that you have the attitude of well I'm OK but you work was really valuable people. Of course you have a choice as to whether or not you take the back soon but you don't really seem that bothered if your actions have problems or consequences for others.

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By *ubal1Man over a year ago

Newry Down

Bill Gates, George Soros, The Davis Group, The Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group, with their Chief UK Advisor, David Icke have arranged this pandemic for the sheeple; vaccines contain microchips that are activated by 5G mast transmissions, which determine the date of death of preselected vaccinated groups in order to depopulate the planet, for The Illuminati.

Bill Gates's wife objected to her relatives being selected from the sheeple and that is why they are getting divorced. She is due to be assassinated in a Paris tunnel whilst in a Mercedes car that is being driven by a d*unk bodyguard whose family will survive if he drives the car that is being followed by photographers whom David Icke has selected from a specially trained lizard group.

This is the type of garbage that some people believe; I have spoken to them.

Take the damned vaccine and protect yourself and others; it is for the greater good!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small.

You might have to like you have had to have the Hep vaccines.

Nope hepatitis is not mandatory

No it's not but the vaccine is in almost all health authorities in the country.

For working with certain groups and the ones you say you work with is one of them but then you should know that already.

Know what????! It’s not mandatory I’m not jabbed

OK then!

That's a health risk to you and the people you work with. Again you should know that.

Not at all ... your safe if your jabbed aren’t you??? From me the unjabbed ??? Well I’ve been safe for 18 months I’m sure that will continue ... "

The jab isn't 100pc effective, so no. And who knows if you've been asymptomatic? Although I assume you test regularly for your job, and have the NHS app ?

I'm not knocking ur choice btw. But am worried youre being a bit blasé of the risks.

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

Yes take the pill

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By *eamteamCouple over a year ago

Toen

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan over a year ago

Southern England

Conspiracy theorists is how stupid people get to feel like intellectuals.

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By *heekybrummiemonkeysCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

"[Removed by poster at 10/08/21 22:09:14]"

Spot on… (read it before you deleted

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 10/08/21 22:09:14]

Spot on… (read it before you deleted

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I'm intrigued now !!

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By *eamteamCouple over a year ago

Toen

I was thinking about taking the vaccine but reading this thread it appears that one of the main side effects is extreme smug self righteousness.

If some of the new vaccines due to come out can eliminate that I might be tempted.

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By *iss SinWoman over a year ago

portchester

I’ve been advised not to have it and I must say I am in the most part very glad

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small.

You do realise that the danger with covid is the over response of the immune system creating cytokine storms? A strong immune system can be massive problem!

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

"I’ve been advised not to have it and I must say I am in the most part very glad "

Im sorry to hear that - must mean you have a serious condition. You are someone i got the jab to help protect

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By *an JuniperoCouple over a year ago

North East

Based on some of comments on this thread, I can’t imagine they will have had the desired effect on some of the vaccine hesitant readers. Belittling people and insulting them for not following your way of thinking will rarely get the response you want. Having a go at people who’ve had the vaccine is even more pointless because even a change in their minds won’t undo the decision. Although the post started innocently enough it wasn’t long before it descended into sanctimonious playground nonsense. Much like most threads these days

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

"I was thinking about taking the vaccine but reading this thread it appears that one of the main side effects is extreme smug self righteousness.

If some of the new vaccines due to come out can eliminate that I might be tempted. "

I find it hard to believe you have thought about this at all tbh

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By *iss SinWoman over a year ago

portchester

"I’ve been advised not to have it and I must say I am in the most part very glad

Im sorry to hear that - must mean you have a serious condition. You are someone i got the jab to help protect "

It took me weeks to be able to talk to my doctor about whether to have it or not. He said definitely no

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

"Based on some of comments on this thread, I can’t imagine they will have had the desired effect on some of the vaccine hesitant readers. Belittling people and insulting them for not following your way of thinking will rarely get the response you want. Having a go at people who’ve had the vaccine is even more pointless because even a change in their minds won’t undo the decision. Although the post started innocently enough it wasn’t long before it descended into sanctimonious playground nonsense. Much like most threads these days

I know it will just make them dig their heels in but they are already lost to their fears and vanity. I think it is only right that they are shamed for their selfishness and wilfull ignorance

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By *an JuniperoCouple over a year ago

North East

I know it will just make them dig their heels in but they are already lost to their fears and vanity. I think it is only right that they are shamed for their selfishness and wilfull ignorance"

Shame really. If you were genuinely that concerned about convincing people to get the jab you’d probably avoid doing it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I thought from day one it was a choice to vax or not.

what I clearly see and read through most social media or even this site is divide and conquer.

I'm no conspiracy guy I just do my thing as a self employed worker and I've worked all way through so far including the knightingales at the start.

people will say different but you know what its life....live yours.

but I do have to admit that most of the vile comments I've seen here and elsewhere have come from the vaxxed.

but let's be clear although you're jabbed vaxxed of whatever you contract and pass on still albeit less side effects or whatever but you're still part of the problem were all in together.

so just be respectful of anyone's choices.

long winded but hey ho keep smiling and stay safe best you can for your wishes

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

Hey teacher leave those kids alone

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By *igNick1381Man over a year ago

BRIDGEND

Once a long term plan is set I'll have all the information I need to make an informed decision

But until someone can definitively point to guidance stating what the long term booster protocol will be I'm not going into something that's so half assed

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

I know it will just make them dig their heels in but they are already lost to their fears and vanity. I think it is only right that they are shamed for their selfishness and wilfull ignorance

Shame really. If you were genuinely that concerned about convincing people to get the jab you’d probably avoid doing it. "

You cant convince them

No amount of evidence will work

No amount of socratic questioning phases them

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

"Once a long term plan is set I'll have all the information I need to make an informed decision

But until someone can definitively point to guidance stating what the long term booster protocol will be I'm not going into something that's so half assed"

Why are you waiting for booster plans when getting first dose now helps now? The booster possibilities dont have an impact on the benefits of the initial dose

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

I know it will just make them dig their heels in but they are already lost to their fears and vanity. I think it is only right that they are shamed for their selfishness and wilfull ignorance

Shame really. If you were genuinely that concerned about convincing people to get the jab you’d probably avoid doing it.

You cant convince them

No amount of evidence will work

No amount of socratic questioning phases them"

It's a brand new illness and a brand new vaccine. Its inevitable that some.people will take longer to feel comfortable with it or to trust it. Right now the social stigma of being "unvaxxed" or attaching the "antivax" label to anybody with a genuine concern isn't helpful or productive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

only thing I want to ask anyone is before covid did anyone on here trust the government who now are claiming to be saviours because I didn't.

I can't find it myself to trust a group of people who have and let's be honest with each other here still have a proven track record of lies and deceit from the word go......

so why does everyone now believe they are the one to follow as an example when all along this journey it has been proven for lies and deciet

keep smiling

stay safe

and enjoy yourself

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By *hristopherd999Man over a year ago

Brentwood

"only thing I want to ask anyone is before covid did anyone on here trust the government who now are claiming to be saviours because I didn't.

I can't find it myself to trust a group of people who have and let's be honest with each other here still have a proven track record of lies and deceit from the word go......

so why does everyone now believe they are the one to follow as an example when all along this journey it has been proven for lies and deciet

keep smiling

stay safe

and enjoy yourself

So are you saying every government around the world are lying and they've all made covid up?

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

"only thing I want to ask anyone is before covid did anyone on here trust the government who now are claiming to be saviours because I didn't.

I can't find it myself to trust a group of people who have and let's be honest with each other here still have a proven track record of lies and deceit from the word go......

so why does everyone now believe they are the one to follow as an example when all along this journey it has been proven for lies and deciet

keep smiling

stay safe

and enjoy yourself

There is far far more weight to the pro vaccination argument than just the word of the government which you are understandably sceptical of.

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By *tevied1976Man over a year ago

gloucester

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small.

Nope I’m 61 ... I’ve worked out in the community through all this with drug and alcohol users and not a sniffle ..

maybe it’s because I’m healthy and look after my immune system who knows ... but I won’t be having it

Mother Nature is the best scientist, she's been doing it for a long time.

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

"Group entry for the Darwin awards.....I'd imagine most ppl who choose not to get vaccinated either have kids, or are young enough that the risk of dying is small.

Nope I’m 61 ... I’ve worked out in the community through all this with drug and alcohol users and not a sniffle ..

maybe it’s because I’m healthy and look after my immune system who knows ... but I won’t be having it

Mother Nature is the best scientist, she's been doing it for a long time."

Yup kill off the weak!

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By *rivateyesCouple over a year ago

Leighton Buzzard

I’m sure that I’ll get slaughtered for posting this but be warned It’s highly unlikely that I’ll respond to those that disagree and don’t respect my opinion.

For the record I am in the vulnerable category having had cancer (in remission) and also have immune suppression infusions every 8 weeks.

I made my mind to not be vaccinated based on my own research in Jan 2021 using the official figures from the ONS.

0.006% of the UK population had died “from” COVID at Jan 2021. You don’t inoculate an entire population because 0.006% will have a bad reaction.

Of that 0.006% how many actually died because of COVID? most of these people had underlying health conditions (much like myself) and a common cold could easily have finished them off.

Next came the consistent radio campaigns which told us that 1 in 3 people have it, don’t know it, and are spreading it!

Therefore another 1 in 3 know they have it, and another 1 in 3 (or more) have been vaccinated

If you get it, you’re told to stay inside for 2 weeks. 6 weeks and we’ve all been subjected to in in one way or another!

How is it even possible that after 18 months we haven’t all had it? In which case we have achieved herd immunity.

Now the latest campaign is to tell us all (once 70% of the adult population has been vaccinated) that even those that have been double vaccinated can still catch it and spread it! So what on Earth is the point of it then?

Would you have still had 2 doses if they told you that beforehand, I doubt very much that all of you would have.

The clear way forward would be to find out for sure where the country stands, that would involve finding out how many people have natural immunity because they’ve been infected, but the one test you can’t get unless you work in certain jobs or if you pay privately is an AntiBody test.

Before you slate me about my belief and label me as an AV or worse, ask yourself why they won’t provide AntiBody tests, unless of course they wouldn’t want anybody to know we’d all had it by Jan 2021 and that was as bad as it was ever going to get. How would that help them to hail the vaccine as the super hero that saved us all.

It’s my choice and opinion which I ask to be respected, just the same as I will respect yours even if you believe it’s because of 5G masts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m sure that I’ll get slaughtered for posting this but be warned It’s highly unlikely that I’ll respond to those that disagree and don’t respect my opinion.