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"Does anyone know what levels of antibodies folks should be expected to have, say 5 months post second vaccination ? I'm just a bit concerned that whilst everything seems to be opening back up, and we are encouraged to be sensible of course with distancing etc, if my level of antibodies have gone from 90% to 50% or worse, the last thing I want to do is go outside." I'd recommend if you've already got concerns to push it back for as long as possible. Heard some mega horror stories, I for one am not choosing to have the vaccine... not no political statement... just I've an abnormality with my heart beat and not taking the risk | |||
"Does anyone know what levels of antibodies folks should be expected to have, say 5 months post second vaccination ? I'm just a bit concerned that whilst everything seems to be opening back up, and we are encouraged to be sensible of course with distancing etc, if my level of antibodies have gone from 90% to 50% or worse, the last thing I want to do is go outside. I'd recommend if you've already got concerns to push it back for as long as possible. Heard some mega horror stories, I for one am not choosing to have the vaccine... not no political statement... just I've an abnormality with my heart beat and not taking the risk " If you have genuine concerns, please look up a trusted source such as the NHS or try and talk to a doctor. Do not trust "horror" stories you've seen on social media or in tabloids. It may indeed be possible you can't safely take a vaccine. But I suspect it's far more likely your health condition means it's safer for you to get the vaccine than to get Covid. | |||
" I'd recommend if you've already got concerns to push it back for as long as possible. Heard some mega horror stories, I for one am not choosing to have the vaccine... not no political statement... just I've an abnormality with my heart beat and not taking the risk " If you have any form of heart abnormality the last thing you want to do is avoid having the vaccine. To do so makes zero sense as you are ridiculously exposed should you contract a serious case of covid. | |||
" I'd recommend if you've already got concerns to push it back for as long as possible. Heard some mega horror stories, I for one am not choosing to have the vaccine... not no political statement... just I've an abnormality with my heart beat and not taking the risk If you have any form of heart abnormality the last thing you want to do is avoid having the vaccine. To do so makes zero sense as you are ridiculously exposed should you contract a serious case of covid. " I tried to be a bit less blunt in my reply above. Similar gist, though. Isn't it odd how much more wary many people are of a tested and effective vaccine than they are of a killer virus? Especially if they fall into vulnerable categories. | |||
Get the jab you know it makes sense | |||
"Does anyone know what levels of antibodies folks should be expected to have, say 5 months post second vaccination ? I'm just a bit concerned that whilst everything seems to be opening back up, and we are encouraged to be sensible of course with distancing etc, if my level of antibodies have gone from 90% to 50% or worse, the last thing I want to do is go outside." then stay in and don’t go out. | |||
"Does anyone know what levels of antibodies folks should be expected to have, say 5 months post second vaccination ? I'm just a bit concerned that whilst everything seems to be opening back up, and we are encouraged to be sensible of course with distancing etc, if my level of antibodies have gone from 90% to 50% or worse, the last thing I want to do is go outside. I'd recommend if you've already got concerns to push it back for as long as possible. Heard some mega horror stories, I for one am not choosing to have the vaccine... not no political statement... just I've an abnormality with my heart beat and not taking the risk " Push it back and let the rest of us who do have it do our bit to get this virus under control? Well that seems fair... 
If I had a heart issue the last thing I would be doing is taking my chances with a virus that affects the heart including heart rhythm!! Have you looked at British heart Foundation website? States:
These are some of the ways Covid-19 can affect your heart and circulatory system:
Blood clots
Heart rhythm disturbances
Lack of oxygen and nutrients causing heart damage
Inflammation of the heart muscle and lining
Takotsubo syndrome (broken heart syndrome)
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"Does anyone know what levels of antibodies folks should be expected to have, say 5 months post second vaccination ? I'm just a bit concerned that whilst everything seems to be opening back up, and we are encouraged to be sensible of course with distancing etc, if my level of antibodies have gone from 90% to 50% or worse, the last thing I want to do is go outside." Antibody levels fall after an infection is defeated. It happens with all infections. Memory B cells can produce them rapidly if needed again. | |||
"Speak to nhs direct or your gp if you are worried about your heart condition if relation to the jab." This | |||
"Does anyone know what levels of antibodies folks should be expected to have, say 5 months post second vaccination ? I'm just a bit concerned that whilst everything seems to be opening back up, and we are encouraged to be sensible of course with distancing etc, if my level of antibodies have gone from 90% to 50% or worse, the last thing I want to do is go outside." I don't think the level of antibodies is too relevant. When we say 90% or 50%, well 90% of what exactly? If your not infected you would not expect to find high levels of antibodies for any disease. It would be a waste of the bodies resources to keep producing them. I don't have the science to explain it but it is more about how the body remembers the blue print to recognise the virus and produce the right antibodies on demand to attack it once it is identified. | |||
"Speak to nhs direct or your gp if you are worried about your heart condition if relation to the jab. This "Definitely this, you should not listen to any of the advice above from unqualified posters. | |||
"Does anyone know what levels of antibodies folks should be expected to have, say 5 months post second vaccination ? I'm just a bit concerned that whilst everything seems to be opening back up, and we are encouraged to be sensible of course with distancing etc, if my level of antibodies have gone from 90% to 50% or worse, the last thing I want to do is go outside." . I'd doubt you would have any unless your work is in front line health care, then possibly. | |||
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"Your levels of antibodies is not really relevant to vaccine efficacy, it's simply not used as a measurement in its long term RR."
Please speak to your Doctor, as they know your medical history. They will support your decision. | |||
"Does anyone know what levels of antibodies folks should be expected to have, say 5 months post second vaccination ? I'm just a bit concerned that whilst everything seems to be opening back up, and we are encouraged to be sensible of course with distancing etc, if my level of antibodies have gone from 90% to 50% or worse, the last thing I want to do is go outside. I'd recommend if you've already got concerns to push it back for as long as possible. Heard some mega horror stories, I for one am not choosing to have the vaccine... not no political statement... just I've an abnormality with my heart beat and not taking the risk Push it back and let the rest of us who do have it do our bit to get this virus under control? Well that seems fair...
If I had a heart issue the last thing I would be doing is taking my chances with a virus that affects the heart including heart rhythm!! Have you looked at British heart Foundation website? States:
These are some of the ways Covid-19 can affect your heart and circulatory system:
Blood clots
Heart rhythm disturbances
Lack of oxygen and nutrients causing heart damage
Inflammation of the heart muscle and lining
Takotsubo syndrome (broken heart syndrome)
"I would agree; think of all those who had heart issues that participated in the trials - probably nil ; so I can understand your concerns. When you do your own risk reward calculation it would be a definite no. | |||
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"I heard on a radio program that they are hopeing to give booster jabs every 6 months as 6 month after jab youre back to normal no protection" Radio 5 reporting that at least 1 vaccine manufacturer has said no need for this | |||
"Does anyone know what levels of antibodies folks should be expected to have, say 5 months post second vaccination ? I'm just a bit concerned that whilst everything seems to be opening back up, and we are encouraged to be sensible of course with distancing etc, if my level of antibodies have gone from 90% to 50% or worse, the last thing I want to do is go outside." if you insist on pretending that your already dead you may as well be life is way to short to hide from the what ifs | |||
"if you insist on pretending that your already dead you may as well be life is way to short to hide from the what ifs" What a bizarre thing to say. Perhaps another way to explain my concern is imagine you are a scuba diver. You are given an air-tank. But there is no gauge on it, telling you how much oxygen is in the tank. As you dive, you use up oxygen. Yet you have no way of knowing how much you have left. That's all I am asking. How much vaccine efficacy does my immune system have, approximately ? For example, if it's virtually nil, then I and millions of others are possibly back at square one, eg March 2020, and what we were told to do then (shielding), should be reinstated. If it was good for us then with little to no immunity, it should be the same now, surely ? | |||
"if you insist on pretending that your already dead you may as well be life is way to short to hide from the what ifs What a bizarre thing to say. Perhaps another way to explain my concern is imagine you are a scuba diver. You are given an air-tank. But there is no gauge on it, telling you how much oxygen is in the tank. As you dive, you use up oxygen. Yet you have no way of knowing how much you have left. That's all I am asking. How much vaccine efficacy does my immune system have, approximately ? For example, if it's virtually nil, then I and millions of others are possibly back at square one, eg March 2020, and what we were told to do then (shielding), should be reinstated. If it was good for us then with little to no immunity, it should be the same now, surely ? " bizarre is usimg scuba diving as an example for a debate | |||
"Speak to nhs direct or your gp if you are worried about your heart condition if relation to the jab. This
Definitely this, you should not listen to any of the advice above from unqualified posters." | |||
"I heard on a radio program that they are hopeing to give booster jabs every 6 months as 6 month after jab youre back to normal no protection" That's incorrect. Please stick with published scientific evidence. People will not return to zero immunity after 6 months. Currently immunity is still being recorded and some will likely last for many years. They've planned a possible booster this autumn, perhaps for annual provision in conjunction with the flu jab, for those who are valuable. It's an insurance policy equivalent. Just now, immunity is preventing thousands of deaths and hospitalisations, as it's still effective.  | |||
"if you insist on pretending that your already dead you may as well be life is way to short to hide from the what ifs What a bizarre thing to say. Perhaps another way to explain my concern is imagine you are a scuba diver. You are given an air-tank. But there is no gauge on it, telling you how much oxygen is in the tank. As you dive, you use up oxygen. Yet you have no way of knowing how much you have left. That's all I am asking. How much vaccine efficacy does my immune system have, approximately ? For example, if it's virtually nil, then I and millions of others are possibly back at square one, eg March 2020, and what we were told to do then (shielding), should be reinstated. If it was good for us then with little to no immunity, it should be the same now, surely ? " Nobody can say for certain what level of protection any one individual has received from being vaccinated. Even antibody tests don't give the full picture, because the specific antibodies for covid in your blood fade quite quickly, but your immune system should remember how to make them now and gets a head start if you do get exposed to covid. But no-one can say exactly how much you yourself are protected, they can only say that on average people will be X percent better off vaccinated than not. Which is why it's so important to get everyone else vaccinated, not just vulnerable people. Because on average, vaccinated people that get covid have a lower viral load for a shorter time and hence are less likely to get so ill, and less likely to pass it on to so many people. When nearly everyone is vaxxed, the hope is that between people being less likely to pass it on, and people being less likely to catch it, covid will pretty well fade away. Like measles, mumps, whooping cough etc. Until then, keep wearing masks, keep social distancing. You'll have some protection, so it's not as dire as before the vaccines came out, but you still have to be careful. | |||
"if you insist on pretending that your already dead you may as well be life is way to short to hide from the what ifs What a bizarre thing to say. Perhaps another way to explain my concern is imagine you are a scuba diver. You are given an air-tank. But there is no gauge on it, telling you how much oxygen is in the tank. As you dive, you use up oxygen. Yet you have no way of knowing how much you have left. That's all I am asking. How much vaccine efficacy does my immune system have, approximately ? For example, if it's virtually nil, then I and millions of others are possibly back at square one, eg March 2020, and what we were told to do then (shielding), should be reinstated. If it was good for us then with little to no immunity, it should be the same now, surely ? bizarre is usimg scuba diving as an example for a debate" If you scuba dive without a gauge you kinda deserve the Darwin Award tbh | |||
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"bizarre is using scuba diving as an example for a debate" I take it you do not use analogies when trying to illustrate a point or convey a concept then ? Read up on them and be prepared to be amazed, as they are very useful in common parlance. | |||
"bizarre is using scuba diving as an example for a debate I take it you do not use analogies when trying to illustrate a point or convey a concept then ? Read up on them and be prepared to be amazed, as they are very useful in common parlance." No. It's just a stupid analogy | |||
"Does anyone know what levels of antibodies folks should be expected to have, say 5 months post second vaccination ? I'm just a bit concerned that whilst everything seems to be opening back up, and we are encouraged to be sensible of course with distancing etc, if my level of antibodies have gone from 90% to 50% or worse, the last thing I want to do is go outside." For antibodies you would need bloods from early on after receiving vaccine and then later to compare. Don't think this will happen unless you have a private consultation. Try not to be too concerned, maybe talk to your GP initially. Take care. | |||
"It's just a stupid analogy " PMSL ! What would you have used, perhaps more apropos ? | |||
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"Does anyone know what levels of antibodies folks should be expected to have, say 5 months post second vaccination ? I'm just a bit concerned that whilst everything seems to be opening back up, and we are encouraged to be sensible of course with distancing etc, if my level of antibodies have gone from 90% to 50% or worse, the last thing I want to do is go outside. I don't think the level of antibodies is too relevant. When we say 90% or 50%, well 90% of what exactly? If your not infected you would not expect to find high levels of antibodies for any disease. It would be a waste of the bodies resources to keep producing them. I don't have the science to explain it but it is more about how the body remembers the blue print to recognise the virus and produce the right antibodies on demand to attack it once it is identified. " That would be the memory 'B' and memory 'T' lymphocytes. They "remember" the infection and rapidly produce massive amounts of antibodies to combat a return infection. | |||
" I'd recommend if you've already got concerns to push it back for as long as possible. Heard some mega horror stories, I for one am not choosing to have the vaccine... not no political statement... just I've an abnormality with my heart beat and not taking the risk If you have any form of heart abnormality the last thing you want to do is avoid having the vaccine. To do so makes zero sense as you are ridiculously exposed should you contract a serious case of covid. " Covid in its most dangerous state affects the respiratory system? not the cardiovascular system as has been the reported side effect of the vaccine....please refrain from misinfo that is totaly absurd and dangerous! | |||
" I'd recommend if you've already got concerns to push it back for as long as possible. Heard some mega horror stories, I for one am not choosing to have the vaccine... not no political statement... just I've an abnormality with my heart beat and not taking the risk If you have any form of heart abnormality the last thing you want to do is avoid having the vaccine. To do so makes zero sense as you are ridiculously exposed should you contract a serious case of covid. Covid in its most dangerous state affects the respiratory system? not the cardiovascular system as has been the reported side effect of the vaccine....please refrain from misinfo that is totaly absurd and dangerous!" Underlying cardiovascular comoorbities is associated with high mortality and covid can cause cardio disorders such as myocardial injury and venous thrombosis. Source: nature | |||
"Does anyone know what levels of antibodies folks should be expected to have, say 5 months post second vaccination ? I'm just a bit concerned that whilst everything seems to be opening back up, and we are encouraged to be sensible of course with distancing etc, if my level of antibodies have gone from 90% to 50% or worse, the last thing I want to do is go outside." Having had a race to get the most at risk jabbed by start of summer... The irony is they will be most at risk again come the middle of winter. Im guessing hence the murmurings of a third jab for the most at risk for winter.? Let's hope no breakthrough variants between now and then. | |||
