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Nope, think this virus is on the way out.
There will be flare ups and problems with folks desperately trying to find new conspiracies.
Think it would be too difficult to get people to go along with any lockdown...shit happens but hope not.
I'm ready for my hols, seems years ago we had a holiday...oh, it was years ago, how time flies. |
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I heard on the radio yesterday that a scheme has been set up to insure live entertainment venues and festvals incase of another lockdown.
Why would they do that if they are not considering the possibility. |
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By *issusWoman
over a year ago
Belfast |
From logical point of view - there should be no more lockdowns now that vast majority of vulnerable people are vaccinated.
On other hand gut feeling tells me it's far from over and new crazy restrictions are on the way in. |
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Israel is threatening to lock down again, they are 1 of the top vaccinated countries in the world. Think it is something like 90% of adults double jabbed and most of the cases are in the vaccinated. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They will be rebranded as 'firebreaks'.
I can see them happening in the autumn after schools an uni's return.
Though if 'firebreaks' are necessary, then so be it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Maybe not full lockdown like march 2020. More likely restrictions on what you can and can't do.
But it may not be long until the 'global warming lockdowns' kick in. Maybe in the next year or two |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They will be rebranded as 'firebreaks'.
I can see them happening in the autumn after schools an uni's return.
Though if 'firebreaks' are necessary, then so be it. "
sage are good at that coming up with new terminology; I must say it sounds better than lockdowns |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Israel is threatening to lock down again, they are 1 of the top vaccinated countries in the world. Think it is something like 90% of adults double jabbed and most of the cases are in the vaccinated. "
Israel have predominantly used the Pfizer vaccine with the 3 weeks gap between injections. Those who were injected in January are now shown to have only 16% protection.
Whereas in the U.K we initially went for the 12 week gap between injections. A recent survey is showing the those injected in January here are still in the 80+% protection. The same survey has come to the conclusion 8 weeks would give the optimum protection.
The worrying thing for the USA is they did a 4 weeks gap. |
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"From logical point of view - there should be no more lockdowns now that vast majority of vulnerable people are vaccinated.
On other hand gut feeling tells me it's far from over and new crazy restrictions are on the way in. "
Totally agree
Contingency planning already underway- which i know has to be done- but my sense is that it'll be multiple lockdowns up and down the country between sept/ October and this time next year |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was under the impression that all these stages of lockdown being eased were done the way they were, as the government said they would not reverse or go back into lockdown? Take what the Gov says with I pinch of salt I know  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Gov have more or less already said this. They have said it’s needed to protect the roll out of the booster "
When you say they more or less have said this, do you mean they haven't actually said it? |
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"Gov have more or less already said this. They have said it’s needed to protect the roll out of the booster
When you say they more or less have said this, do you mean they haven't actually said it?"
no what I mean is their chief scientific advisors have said there will need to be a series of restrictions put in place over winter / flu season to protect the NHS from the huge flu outbreak we are to expect this year and to protect the booster roll out for over 50s. I believe a date that was muted in a research paper was w/c 20th October |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Gov have more or less already said this. They have said it’s needed to protect the roll out of the booster
When you say they more or less have said this, do you mean they haven't actually said it? no what I mean is their chief scientific advisors have said there will need to be a series of restrictions put in place over winter / flu season to protect the NHS from the huge flu outbreak we are to expect this year and to protect the booster roll out for over 50s. I believe a date that was muted in a research paper was w/c 20th October "
So the Government haven't said this then. They have some advisors who have suggested it. |
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If the hospitals get overloaded and death rate climbs again, the government will reluctantly impose controls, but they will be too little and too late. They will change the terminology so that they are not lockdowns, not mask mandates, not "rule of six". God knows what euphemisms they will use, but unless the vaccinations really do bring it under control, and unless they properly stop inviting new variants to come into the country, be prepared to have restrictive measures imposed through this winter, next summer, next winter... |
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The restrictions due to be imposed this winter are not just to act against covid they will be to support the effort in suppressing all the other nasty bugs and viruses that we have not been in contact with over the past 18 months.
They will include clubs closing, reduced capacity numbers in bars shops etc, and with out a doupt care homes and hospitals becoming visitor free areas again. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"Lockdown has cost U.K. half a Trillion of debt , and now stands at a colossal 2.2 Trillion overall and rising, doubt U.K. can afford any more lockdown "
The UK can afford as much debt as it chooses to afford.
The ongoing financial mismanagement of our economy by the Conservatives since 2010 has had and will have far worse effects on our economy than anything coping with the pandemic will cause. |
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"Lockdown has cost U.K. half a Trillion of debt , and now stands at a colossal 2.2 Trillion overall and rising, doubt U.K. can afford any more lockdown
The UK can afford as much debt as it chooses to afford.
The ongoing financial mismanagement of our economy by the Conservatives since 2010 has had and will have far worse effects on our economy than anything coping with the pandemic will cause."
All any of us can do is keep our heads down and do the best we can to not make the situation worse |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hand washing and wearing masks on public transport combined with another increased Flu vaccination scheme are all classed as measures/restrictions suggested by advisors.
Of course we are now in an era where this equals lockdowns are coming back. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Maybe not full lockdown like march 2020. More likely restrictions on what you can and can't do.
But it may not be long until the 'global warming lockdowns' kick in. Maybe in the next year or two"
So accurate in that mate. People haven't even considered it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In short we will follow americas lead. Delta is running wild over there with almost no mandatory restrictions in place. If we think healthcare can cope we won't lockdown again. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I heard on the radio yesterday that a scheme has been set up to insure live entertainment venues and festvals incase of another lockdown.
Why would they do that if they are not considering the possibility. "
Because they are banking on things improving much more by then but have it as a stop gap just in case |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lockdown has cost U.K. half a Trillion of debt , and now stands at a colossal 2.2 Trillion overall and rising, doubt U.K. can afford any more lockdown "
The USA debt is £21 trillion.
And it isn't as if the UK govt bank account was £2.2 trillion overdrawn. This is money via bond sales. Others have invested their money buying govt bonds.
You could look at the UK foreign debt, around £7 trillion, mainly bank and corporate liabilities (300%+ of GDP), although that is balanced by external assets of similar.
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
Spain, Lancs |
"Lockdown has cost U.K. half a Trillion of debt , and now stands at a colossal 2.2 Trillion overall and rising, doubt U.K. can afford any more lockdown
The UK can afford as much debt as it chooses to afford.
The ongoing financial mismanagement of our economy by the Conservatives since 2010 has had and will have far worse effects on our economy than anything coping with the pandemic will cause."
Countries can print money into infinity.
That doesn't mean it's wise.
Weimar Germany, Somaliland, Venezuela, Argentina, Zimbabwe...
Printing doesn't create wealth. It creates paper |
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If Debt is such a good idea why is the U.K. and only 3 other countries the only ones that have more debt than entire years GDP ? Also that last half Trillion is costing U.K. 6.6 Billion per month compared to last year |
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"Lockdown has cost U.K. half a Trillion of debt , and now stands at a colossal 2.2 Trillion overall and rising, doubt U.K. can afford any more lockdown
The USA debt is £21 trillion.
And it isn't as if the UK govt bank account was £2.2 trillion overdrawn. This is money via bond sales. Others have invested their money buying govt bonds.
You could look at the UK foreign debt, around £7 trillion, mainly bank and corporate liabilities (300%+ of GDP), although that is balanced by external assets of similar.
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USA has far bigger economy than the U.K. and is a much richer country even there poorest state has higher standard of living , borrowing is costing U.K. 8.9 Billion a month interest compared to 2.2 last year , if interest rates rise U.K. will be in big trouble |
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"As long as the vaccine roll out continues successfully there should be no need for another lockdown."
Following on from my earlier post, just back from food shopping and all bar 2 people were wearing masks and everyone was being respectful of other people's space. Keep this up and no lockdown needed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As long as the vaccine roll out continues successfully there should be no need for another lockdown.
Following on from my earlier post, just back from food shopping and all bar 2 people were wearing masks and everyone was being respectful of other people's space. Keep this up and no lockdown needed. "
Now now don’t go reporting good news. The reason cases haven’t gone through the roof and hit the modelling predictions of 100000 to 200000 a day is because maybe just maybe the British public are not as reckless as the “experts “ expected.
I’m not sure why they are surprised considering it was the population behaviour change that caused cases to start to fall before the actual lockdowns were implemented. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Lockdown has cost U.K. half a Trillion of debt , and now stands at a colossal 2.2 Trillion overall and rising, doubt U.K. can afford any more lockdown
The USA debt is £21 trillion.
And it isn't as if the UK govt bank account was £2.2 trillion overdrawn. This is money via bond sales. Others have invested their money buying govt bonds.
You could look at the UK foreign debt, around £7 trillion, mainly bank and corporate liabilities (300%+ of GDP), although that is balanced by external assets of similar.
USA has far bigger economy than the U.K. and is a much richer country even there poorest state has higher standard of living , borrowing is costing U.K. 8.9 Billion a month interest compared to 2.2 last year , if interest rates rise U.K. will be in big trouble "
I think you maybe incorrect here. A lot of the states do not have a higher standard of living. |
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"Lockdown has cost U.K. half a Trillion of debt , and now stands at a colossal 2.2 Trillion overall and rising, doubt U.K. can afford any more lockdown
The USA debt is £21 trillion.
And it isn't as if the UK govt bank account was £2.2 trillion overdrawn. This is money via bond sales. Others have invested their money buying govt bonds.
You could look at the UK foreign debt, around £7 trillion, mainly bank and corporate liabilities (300%+ of GDP), although that is balanced by external assets of similar.
USA has far bigger economy than the U.K. and is a much richer country even there poorest state has higher standard of living , borrowing is costing U.K. 8.9 Billion a month interest compared to 2.2 last year , if interest rates rise U.K. will be in big trouble
I think you maybe incorrect here. A lot of the states do not have a higher standard of living."
Just checked Forbes your right if the U.K. was to join the USA we would be the second poorest state only Mississippi is poorer Google it , also confirmed by Washington post |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Apologies if this seems like I'm stating the obvious, but this will all depend on how good a job the vaccines do of keeping people out of hospital (and to be blunt, dying). Currently, things are looking fairly good, though we have to let the effects of the 19 July easing of restrictions to work its way through the system. |
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"Lockdown has cost U.K. half a Trillion of debt , and now stands at a colossal 2.2 Trillion overall and rising, doubt U.K. can afford any more lockdown
The USA debt is £21 trillion.
And it isn't as if the UK govt bank account was £2.2 trillion overdrawn. This is money via bond sales. Others have invested their money buying govt bonds.
You could look at the UK foreign debt, around £7 trillion, mainly bank and corporate liabilities (300%+ of GDP), although that is balanced by external assets of similar.
USA has far bigger economy than the U.K. and is a much richer country even there poorest state has higher standard of living , borrowing is costing U.K. 8.9 Billion a month interest compared to 2.2 last year , if interest rates rise U.K. will be in big trouble
I think you maybe incorrect here. A lot of the states do not have a higher standard of living. Just checked Forbes your right if the U.K. was to join the USA we would be the second poorest state only Mississippi is poorer Google it , also confirmed by Washington post "
You wouldn't think USA is a rich country if you drive round it. The majority of it looks like a third world country. I guess the money is in the hands of the few like here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Maibe. I think that the real test comes when the flu season starts, so we will see then if there will be one too."
I think they’ll have a hard job convincing the population a lockdown is needed for a bad flu season.
Masks in enclosed spaces, enhanced hygienic practices etc yes, but lockdowns, not so sure. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lockdown has cost U.K. half a Trillion of debt , and now stands at a colossal 2.2 Trillion overall and rising, doubt U.K. can afford any more lockdown
The USA debt is £21 trillion.
And it isn't as if the UK govt bank account was £2.2 trillion overdrawn. This is money via bond sales. Others have invested their money buying govt bonds.
You could look at the UK foreign debt, around £7 trillion, mainly bank and corporate liabilities (300%+ of GDP), although that is balanced by external assets of similar.
USA has far bigger economy than the U.K. and is a much richer country even there poorest state has higher standard of living , borrowing is costing U.K. 8.9 Billion a month interest compared to 2.2 last year , if interest rates rise U.K. will be in big trouble "
No, not in big trouble. The economy has a GDP of £2.3 trillion (+-). The OBR forecast is for a debt interest of £24.8 billion (and don't forget. a lot of purchasers of govt debt are pensions investment etc). And the economy is forecast to pick-up rapidly. Take a look at the sectoral balances for the last year and a bit, household (private) savings have increased by 8% of GDP during the pandemic, that will be spent into the economy in the immediate future. The govt has a deficit of similar. Sectoral balances sum to zero. The trade deficit will decrease in the immediate future as well, even if only because imports from the EU have fallen (although they may well increase again!)
Doom and gloom. Govt finances are *not* the same as household finances. |
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"Lockdown has cost U.K. half a Trillion of debt , and now stands at a colossal 2.2 Trillion overall and rising, doubt U.K. can afford any more lockdown
The USA debt is £21 trillion.
And it isn't as if the UK govt bank account was £2.2 trillion overdrawn. This is money via bond sales. Others have invested their money buying govt bonds.
You could look at the UK foreign debt, around £7 trillion, mainly bank and corporate liabilities (300%+ of GDP), although that is balanced by external assets of similar.
USA has far bigger economy than the U.K. and is a much richer country even there poorest state has higher standard of living , borrowing is costing U.K. 8.9 Billion a month interest compared to 2.2 last year , if interest rates rise U.K. will be in big trouble
No, not in big trouble. The economy has a GDP of £2.3 trillion (+-). The OBR forecast is for a debt interest of £24.8 billion (and don't forget. a lot of purchasers of govt debt are pensions investment etc). And the economy is forecast to pick-up rapidly. Take a look at the sectoral balances for the last year and a bit, household (private) savings have increased by 8% of GDP during the pandemic, that will be spent into the economy in the immediate future. The govt has a deficit of similar. Sectoral balances sum to zero. The trade deficit will decrease in the immediate future as well, even if only because imports from the EU have fallen (although they may well increase again!)
Doom and gloom. Govt finances are *not* the same as household finances."
if we have a debt interest of 24.8 billion why are we paying 8.9 billion interest a month ? |
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"Maibe. I think that the real test comes when the flu season starts, so we will see then if there will be one too.
I think they’ll have a hard job convincing the population a lockdown is needed for a bad flu season.
Masks in enclosed spaces, enhanced hygienic practices etc yes, but lockdowns, not so sure."
Agree.
There is also an acceptance that flu causes problems, has done for years and isn't as sensational as Covid.
Old Mary has just died from flu...oh dear, that's sad but happens every year to old people.
Old Mary has just died from Covid...shit, its them Chinese and Tories and Microsoft and the Police State trying to control my freedom, or something like that.
I'm happy to wear a mask, wash my hands and not lick total strangers in the supermarket.
Quite like wearing my mask in winter..  |
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That will be when public decide they have had enough of the death numbers, currently average 85 people a day are dying with covid and we are accepting of that, in flu season average just over 100 people die a day and we accept that so any lockdown would be a way off yet |
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over a year ago
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"That will be when public decide they have had enough of the death numbers, currently average 85 people a day are dying with covid and we are accepting of that, in flu season average just over 100 people die a day and we accept that so any lockdown would be a way off yet"
According to the government website its 44 average a day.
The 80 is people who have died within 28 days of a positive test but 44 who have covid mentioned on the death cert. |
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"Who thinks there is another lock down coming?"
The NHS hasn't been overwhelmed. The Nightingale Hospitals were not used. The entirte vulnerable population have been vaccinated and the majority of the rest too. People have socially distanced, masked and disinfected.
Why would there be a Lockdown? |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"That will be when public decide they have had enough of the death numbers, currently average 85 people a day are dying with covid and we are accepting of that, in flu season average just over 100 people die a day and we accept that so any lockdown would be a way off yet
According to the government website its 44 average a day.
The 80 is people who have died within 28 days of a positive test but 44 who have covid mentioned on the death cert. "
They have been putting died from the virus for a long time even when it wasn't virus related that's why the number of deaths were never correct virus related. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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I hope not, I think it would undermine the faith and goodwill in both the govt and scientists/SAGE etc.
I am hoping that the vaccines are effective and that people can continue to behave sensibly and mindfully. |
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"As long as idiots keep walking around with masks on adhering to this nonsense there’ll be more, yes.
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As long as idiots keep walking around with no masks and no vaccination, ignoring the fact that there is a pandemic going on, then yes the pandemic will continue and lockdowns will need to keep coming back. |
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By *uck427Man
over a year ago
wales |
We just finely come out of lockdown today keep an eye on the _estival's if they get cancelled again then you know a lockdown is coming Bo Joe and his crew was down the G7 summit that said a lot his next one is in Scotland see how that goes for major events |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I heard on the radio yesterday that a scheme has been set up to insure live entertainment venues and festvals incase of another lockdown.
Why would they do that if they are not considering the possibility. "
Literally the opposite is true.
The fact the scheme is in place means the government are NOT expecting to cancel any more. It's to give confidence in the market to get back to normal. |
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Apparently a group of the SAGE group say we won't need lockdowns again, but, also depends on varients.
Personally I can see a varient somewhere down the line making the vaccine obsolete. I really hope not as I can not be going back to the start line again |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Who thinks there is another lock down coming?
The NHS hasn't been overwhelmed. The Nightingale Hospitals were not used. The entirte vulnerable population have been vaccinated and the majority of the rest too. People have socially distanced, masked and disinfected.
Why would there be a Lockdown?"
because the government will mandate “firebreaks “; simple as that really. |
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"Maibe. I think that the real test comes when the flu season starts, so we will see then if there will be one too.
I think they’ll have a hard job convincing the population a lockdown is needed for a bad flu season.
Masks in enclosed spaces, enhanced hygienic practices etc yes, but lockdowns, not so sure.
Agree.
There is also an acceptance that flu causes problems, has done for years and isn't as sensational as Covid.
Old Mary has just died from flu...oh dear, that's sad but happens every year to old people.
Old Mary has just died from Covid...shit, its them Chinese and Tories and Microsoft and the Police State trying to control my freedom, or something like that.
I'm happy to wear a mask, wash my hands and not lick total strangers in the supermarket.
Quite like wearing my mask in winter.. "
well a case could be made that the lockdowns have been very effective in practically eliminating flu related deaths (if we are to believe the statistics they churn out) , so who knows; they could certainly use last year to set a precedence for flu lockdowns. They will get a few more miles yet out of Covid and variants but I do suspect flu will be thrown into the mix to spice up pandemic; - Left arm for covid and booster jabs ; right arm Flu jab; double jabbed will no longer be a badge of honour! |
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"Maibe. I think that the real test comes when the flu season starts, so we will see then if there will be one too.
I think they’ll have a hard job convincing the population a lockdown is needed for a bad flu season.
Masks in enclosed spaces, enhanced hygienic practices etc yes, but lockdowns, not so sure.
Agree.
There is also an acceptance that flu causes problems, has done for years and isn't as sensational as Covid.
Old Mary has just died from flu...oh dear, that's sad but happens every year to old people.
Old Mary has just died from Covid...shit, its them Chinese and Tories and Microsoft and the Police State trying to control my freedom, or something like that.
I'm happy to wear a mask, wash my hands and not lick total strangers in the supermarket.
Quite like wearing my mask in winter.. well a case could be made that the lockdowns have been very effective in practically eliminating flu related deaths (if we are to believe the statistics they churn out) , so who knows; they could certainly use last year to set a precedence for flu lockdowns. They will get a few more miles yet out of Covid and variants but I do suspect flu will be thrown into the mix to spice up pandemic; - Left arm for covid and booster jabs ; right arm Flu jab; double jabbed will no longer be a badge of honour! "
You largely believe the ONS data? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maibe. I think that the real test comes when the flu season starts, so we will see then if there will be one too.
I think they’ll have a hard job convincing the population a lockdown is needed for a bad flu season.
Masks in enclosed spaces, enhanced hygienic practices etc yes, but lockdowns, not so sure.
Agree.
There is also an acceptance that flu causes problems, has done for years and isn't as sensational as Covid.
Old Mary has just died from flu...oh dear, that's sad but happens every year to old people.
Old Mary has just died from Covid...shit, its them Chinese and Tories and Microsoft and the Police State trying to control my freedom, or something like that.
I'm happy to wear a mask, wash my hands and not lick total strangers in the supermarket.
Quite like wearing my mask in winter.. well a case could be made that the lockdowns have been very effective in practically eliminating flu related deaths (if we are to believe the statistics they churn out) , so who knows; they could certainly use last year to set a precedence for flu lockdowns. They will get a few more miles yet out of Covid and variants but I do suspect flu will be thrown into the mix to spice up pandemic; - Left arm for covid and booster jabs ; right arm Flu jab; double jabbed will no longer be a badge of honour!
You largely believe the ONS data? "
not really; not when all data pretty much derives from PCR tests . Garbage in on one end, Garbage out at the other end (ONS in this case). |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You largely believe the ONS data? not really; not when all data pretty much derives from PCR tests . Garbage in on one end, Garbage out at the other end (ONS in this case)."
I'd love you to elaborate on this a bit more. What is the problem with PCR? |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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You largely believe the ONS data? not really; not when all data pretty much derives from PCR tests . Garbage in on one end, Garbage out at the other end (ONS in this case).
I'd love you to elaborate on this a bit more. What is the problem with PCR?"
Somebody has been watching the doctor in a string vest on facetube lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You largely believe the ONS data? not really; not when all data pretty much derives from PCR tests . Garbage in on one end, Garbage out at the other end (ONS in this case).
I'd love you to elaborate on this a bit more. What is the problem with PCR?
Somebody has been watching the doctor in a string vest on facetube lol"
Haha, "something something too many cycles". Without being able to describe what happens in a single PCR cycle. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As long as idiots keep walking around with masks on adhering to this nonsense there’ll be more, yes.
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Agreed the masks serve absolutely no purpose. I have to wear different face mask for different environments in work. It’s like using a footy net to stop mosquitoes. They do more harm than good. |
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over a year ago
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"As long as idiots keep walking around with masks on adhering to this nonsense there’ll be more, yes.
Agreed the masks serve absolutely no purpose. I have to wear different face mask for different environments in work. It’s like using a footy net to stop mosquitoes. They do more harm than good. "
Alas, reality disagrees with you, sorry.
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You largely believe the ONS data? not really; not when all data pretty much derives from PCR tests . Garbage in on one end, Garbage out at the other end (ONS in this case).
I'd love you to elaborate on this a bit more. What is the problem with PCR?
Somebody has been watching the doctor in a string vest on facetube lol
Haha, "something something too many cycles". Without being able to describe what happens in a single PCR cycle. "
Maybe educate them. I'd be interested as a layman to understand the process too. How many cycles are recommended etc. What data over/under recommended cycles returns. We hear PCR a lot but not what is involved |
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Maybe educate them. I'd be interested as a layman to understand the process too. How many cycles are recommended etc. What data over/under recommended cycles returns. We hear PCR a lot but not what is involved"
I have certainly tried but those using this as an argument simply don't want to know.
It's not specifically the number of cycles in qPCR as the point at which the amplification curve crosses the threshold (Ct). The Ct value is inversely proportional to the amount of starting template so high viral load = lower Ct in this case. Generally. Delta variant cases have typically had Ct =19. The shape of the curve should be sigmoid showing exponential amplification. High Ct should be interpreted with caution and in context of clinical presentation ("high" is relative and dependent on the fluorescent dye used in the detection probes).
It is an incredibly sensitive technique and is routinely used to monitor residual disease, particularly in HIV (that's what U=U is based on), or CML.
End point PCR is a different beast and requires some downstream processing such as sequencing to interrogate.
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With the way things are going in Europe with the spread of the Virus & no doubt the rest of the world, the way people can't seem to resist travel, it won't be surprising if the future holds further issues for everyone in the UK & yes, big possibility of lock downs, not just one but probably more!
No one is in control, no government, doctor or scientist as such. The virus is actually in control until a cure is found. Yes the vaccinations hold some protection but they aren't a guarantee against Covid, look at the number still getting infected & look at the facts that you have about the way the virus has been mutating or should that be adapting?
Yes it might get worse & cause bigger issues, it might not & a cure may be found. It's really just a case of time & people acting & behaving responsibly. So although some of you feel safe, immune or just plain arrogant to it, continue to play safe, fine go ahead party but make sure you take tests regularly & if positive then self isolate.
From what I've seen locally, London & everywhere, the attitude of many will be the downfall. The failure to adhere to simple precautions still & those who run round with the 'Fuck It' opinion, will result in a longer wait to full recovery for the UK, for us all.
So get the vaccinations regardless, wear your mask, keep a sensible distance, wash yer mitts often, use sanitiser gel & try not to spit in anyone's mouth that you don't know personally!!! This can be beaten but it'll take time & the right sort of attitudes to do it. |
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"Who thinks there is another lock down coming?
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Yes, whilst I could not say 100% I think it's 99.999% likely there will be another lockdown.
The only question is when.
50 years, 100 years, 300 years.
Sooner or later there will be another fool wanting bat soup and 6 months later the world will be fucked.
Also we can't ignore that some states will see this as a future way to engage in economic warfare.
So the odds maybe higher than we think. |
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We think it's more likely than not that a variant will escape the vaccine within a few years.
I think it could be 15-20 years before we see the back of this virus meaning future variants will become less problematic.
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Reading between the lines.when a gov lifts all restrictions and says its upto you do what you want .the gove are setting the population up for a fall so later when they come back with a lockdown the gov can say we gave you freedom and you dident act responsibly so we are forced to take it back and ita all youre fault the gov is blamless.
Seting us all up for a big fall come the winter |
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"Gov have more or less already said this. They have said it’s needed to protect the roll out of the booster
When you say they more or less have said this, do you mean they haven't actually said it? no what I mean is their chief scientific advisors have said there will need to be a series of restrictions put in place over winter / flu season to protect the NHS from the huge flu outbreak we are to expect this year and to protect the booster roll out for over 50s. I believe a date that was muted in a research paper was w/c 20th October "
Amazingly nobody had flu last winter so why would they even be thinking of a flu season |
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"Who thinks there is another lock down coming?
Yes, whilst I could not say 100% I think it's 99.999% likely there will be another lockdown.
The only question is when.
50 years, 100 years, 300 years.
Sooner or later there will be another fool wanting bat soup and 6 months later the world will be fucked.
Also we can't ignore that some states will see this as a future way to engage in economic warfare.
So the odds maybe higher than we think. "
It would be a very poor choice for economic warfare as this virus has proven it is indiscriminate. It's not targetable.
Lockdowns will become less likely in future once the full cost of these daft measures become apparent in future. |
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"Reading between the lines.when a gov lifts all restrictions and says its upto you do what you want .the gove are setting the population up for a fall so later when they come back with a lockdown the gov can say we gave you freedom and you dident act responsibly so we are forced to take it back and ita all youre fault the gov is blamless.
Seting us all up for a big fall come the winter"
Nope.
There will be no more lockdowns for Covid.
Population vaccinated. Now we live with it, come what may.
And the whole globe will follow, some quicker than others. |
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Still say the easiest way to keep the NHS from becoming snowed under is start giving boosters to all that want or can have the vaccine
And impose restrictions on one's who don't want it
Protect the vulnerable and NHS |
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"Gov have more or less already said this. They have said it’s needed to protect the roll out of the booster
When you say they more or less have said this, do you mean they haven't actually said it? no what I mean is their chief scientific advisors have said there will need to be a series of restrictions put in place over winter / flu season to protect the NHS from the huge flu outbreak we are to expect this year and to protect the booster roll out for over 50s. I believe a date that was muted in a research paper was w/c 20th October
Amazingly nobody had flu last winter so why would they even be thinking of a flu season"
Maybe the policy of the new health secretary is that now all restrictions have been removed, it would look bad for him if there were massive numbers of covid cases? So he is going to stop tests being made and reclassify all respiratory illnesses as flu? Of course the government wouldn't ever be economical with the truth or bend events to cover their mistakes, would they? |
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"Who thinks there is another lock down coming?
Yes, whilst I could not say 100% I think it's 99.999% likely there will be another lockdown.
The only question is when.
50 years, 100 years, 300 years.
Sooner or later there will be another fool wanting bat soup and 6 months later the world will be fucked.
Also we can't ignore that some states will see this as a future way to engage in economic warfare.
So the odds maybe higher than we think.
It would be a very poor choice for economic warfare as this virus has proven it is indiscriminate. It's not targetable.
Lockdowns will become less likely in future once the full cost of these daft measures become apparent in future."
You assume I mean this virus. Invent a new less mutatable virus, create a vaccine and then release it.
You can be the first to emerge as the top dog and blame it all on bush meat or random chance.
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"Who thinks there is another lock down coming?
Yes, whilst I could not say 100% I think it's 99.999% likely there will be another lockdown.
The only question is when.
50 years, 100 years, 300 years.
Sooner or later there will be another fool wanting bat soup and 6 months later the world will be fucked.
Also we can't ignore that some states will see this as a future way to engage in economic warfare.
So the odds maybe higher than we think.
It would be a very poor choice for economic warfare as this virus has proven it is indiscriminate. It's not targetable.
Lockdowns will become less likely in future once the full cost of these daft measures become apparent in future.
You assume I mean this virus. Invent a new less mutatable virus, create a vaccine and then release it.
You can be the first to emerge as the top dog and blame it all on bush meat or random chance.
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"Less mutatable" lol.
It doesn't work like that. |
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"Still say the easiest way to keep the NHS from becoming snowed under is start giving boosters to all that want or can have the vaccine
And impose restrictions on one's who don't want it
Protect the vulnerable and NHS "
what about the ones that can’t ??? |
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"Still say the easiest way to keep the NHS from becoming snowed under is start giving boosters to all that want or can have the vaccine
And impose restrictions on one's who don't want it
Protect the vulnerable and NHS what about the ones that can’t ???"
Lock down everyone else forever? Literally forever?
Or just get on with life, as we have done for all other illnesses that some people are vulnerable to. For the whole of history.
This is really silly. |
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"Still say the easiest way to keep the NHS from becoming snowed under is start giving boosters to all that want or can have the vaccine
And impose restrictions on one's who don't want it
Protect the vulnerable and NHS what about the ones that can’t ???"
Then they are vulnerable
Same as the elderly or others with underlying conditions |
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"Still say the easiest way to keep the NHS from becoming snowed under is start giving boosters to all that want or can have the vaccine
And impose restrictions on one's who don't want it
Protect the vulnerable and NHS what about the ones that can’t ???
Then they are vulnerable
Same as the elderly or others with underlying conditions "
so we stop them doing stuff too??? You know as they are not vaccinated |
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"Still say the easiest way to keep the NHS from becoming snowed under is start giving boosters to all that want or can have the vaccine
And impose restrictions on one's who don't want it
Protect the vulnerable and NHS what about the ones that can’t ???
Then they are vulnerable
Same as the elderly or others with underlying conditions so we stop them doing stuff too??? You know as they are not vaccinated "
Yes to protect them and the NHS
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"Who thinks there is another lock down coming?
Yes, whilst I could not say 100% I think it's 99.999% likely there will be another lockdown.
The only question is when.
50 years, 100 years, 300 years.
Sooner or later there will be another fool wanting bat soup and 6 months later the world will be fucked.
Also we can't ignore that some states will see this as a future way to engage in economic warfare.
So the odds maybe higher than we think.
It would be a very poor choice for economic warfare as this virus has proven it is indiscriminate. It's not targetable.
Lockdowns will become less likely in future once the full cost of these daft measures become apparent in future.
You assume I mean this virus. Invent a new less mutatable virus, create a vaccine and then release it.
You can be the first to emerge as the top dog and blame it all on bush meat or random chance.
"Less mutatable" lol.
It doesn't work like that."
Not true, some viruses are very stable others mutate regularly.
Polio is fairly stable and has only had limited mutations. |
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"Who thinks there is another lock down coming?
Of course there is, autumn and winter, because the vaccine doesn't stop anyone from getting it so doesn't stop the spread and therefore the government will still say everyone needs to lock themselves away to stay safe. "
It's a brave man who would bet against the virus this winter. |
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"Still say the easiest way to keep the NHS from becoming snowed under is start giving boosters to all that want or can have the vaccine
And impose restrictions on one's who don't want it
Protect the vulnerable and NHS what about the ones that can’t ???
Lock down everyone else forever? Literally forever?
Or just get on with DEATH, as we have done for all other illnesses that some people are vulnerable to. For the whole of history.
This is really silly."
Fixed it for you. |
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"Still say the easiest way to keep the NHS from becoming snowed under is start giving boosters to all that want or can have the vaccine
And impose restrictions on one's who don't want it
Protect the vulnerable and NHS what about the ones that can’t ???
Lock down everyone else forever? Literally forever?
Or just get on with DEATH, as we have done for all other illnesses that some people are vulnerable to. For the whole of history.
This is really silly.
Fixed it for you."
Probably best not to change someone else’s post to match your thoughts.
It’s the height of arrogance.
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Well due to our due diligence in sticking to guidelines and lockdowns the flu didn’t appear. Funny how covid19 and the flu are both spread in the same way yet ones almost been eradicated yet the other is controlling people’s lives. |
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"Well due to our due diligence in sticking to guidelines and lockdowns the flu didn’t appear. Funny how covid19 and the flu are both spread in the same way yet ones almost been eradicated yet the other is controlling people’s lives."
Flu is making a comeback this year. Saw it on the BBC news app |
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"Well due to our due diligence in sticking to guidelines and lockdowns the flu didn’t appear. Funny how covid19 and the flu are both spread in the same way yet ones almost been eradicated yet the other is controlling people’s lives."
Not really. The one that doesn't spread as quickly (flu) tends not to happen when people take strong enough measures to avoid the one that does spread quickly (covid).
If you have moderately noisy neighbours on one side of your house, and very loud neighbours on the other side, when you install sound proofing you will find that by the time you have stopped most of the noise from the very noisy neighbours, the only moderately noisy neighbours have gone completely silent. Funny that isn't it. Then if you strip out all the soundproofing on the basis that it was quiet and you didn't need it any more, weirdly all the noise comes back again! |
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"Well due to our due diligence in sticking to guidelines and lockdowns the flu didn’t appear. Funny how covid19 and the flu are both spread in the same way yet ones almost been eradicated yet the other is controlling people’s lives.
Not really. The one that doesn't spread as quickly (flu) tends not to happen when people take strong enough measures to avoid the one that does spread quickly (covid).
If you have moderately noisy neighbours on one side of your house, and very loud neighbours on the other side, when you install sound proofing you will find that by the time you have stopped most of the noise from the very noisy neighbours, the only moderately noisy neighbours have gone completely silent. Funny that isn't it. Then if you strip out all the soundproofing on the basis that it was quiet and you didn't need it any more, weirdly all the noise comes back again!"
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