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"A report by Imperial College tells that RNA analysis of their latest round of patient swab tests from across the UK now shows infections to be 100% delta variant. This shows that (a) delta has a huge transmission advantage over alpha (b) there is sufficient population mixing going on to get it to every place in the uk within about 8 weeks. To a first approximation that means there is zero bio security being enforced from one end of the uk to the other. When we are 18 months into a world wide pandemic, this represents a total failure of disease control measures. Basically it would not be possible to make the SARS-COV-2 Delta variant spread any faster even if it was loaded into cannisters and sprayed over towns by crop duster aircraft. How can this not represent an utterly damning indictment of our government? They have had more than 18 months to learn, they have miserably failed in learning anything. PS. No party politics intended or implied here, I have no comment upon the colour of tie the current cabinet wears, nor any interest in whether some other party might have been just as bad. The point is that the current government have proved themselves totally incapable in a time of crisis. Discuss please." It is working exactly to design. | |||
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"A report by Imperial College tells that RNA analysis of their latest round of patient swab tests from across the UK now shows infections to be 100% delta variant. This shows that (a) delta has a huge transmission advantage over alpha (b) there is sufficient population mixing going on to get it to every place in the uk within about 8 weeks. To a first approximation that means there is zero bio security being enforced from one end of the uk to the other. When we are 18 months into a world wide pandemic, this represents a total failure of disease control measures. Basically it would not be possible to make the SARS-COV-2 Delta variant spread any faster even if it was loaded into cannisters and sprayed over towns by crop duster aircraft. How can this not represent an utterly damning indictment of our government? They have had more than 18 months to learn, they have miserably failed in learning anything. PS. No party politics intended or implied here, I have no comment upon the colour of tie the current cabinet wears, nor any interest in whether some other party might have been just as bad. The point is that the current government have proved themselves totally incapable in a time of crisis. Discuss please." Whilst I agree with most of what you say.. And whilst I also think our govt and scientists have failed us over and over and over in the last 18bmonths. The govt strategy and the demands of the population for the last 3 months have been to open up and very specifically not implement biisecurity. You can't have on the one hand and objective to unlock the country based on the demands of the people and yet at the same time control the spread of anything. The two objectives are mutually exclusive. We have been in a strategy to in unlock since May? We also changed strategy when Javid took over to infect as many people as quickly as possible in summertime so they have natural immunity by winter time. Again. The strategies are exclusive. | |||
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"How have the scientists failed us? Only the uk scientists, or all scientists who have been involved with the pandemic? " The main failure of scientists that I have seen has been in not being firm enough in calling out lies by government and conspiracy theorists. That said, scientists have for the most part been fighting with both hands tied behind their backs. It is almost infinitely harder to present scrupulously true evidence than it is to just throw lies together - the tiniest deviation of a computer model from the real occurance gets called out by covid deniers and used to rubbish the whole of scientific research. Meanwhile real scientists are forced to spend research time and huge amounts of money on trials for quack drugs promoted by anti-vaxxers, who move the goal posts instantly when each mixture is disproved: "oh, you have to put vitamin D with the HCQ", "it works if you put zinc with it", "ah but you didn't use the correct dosage", "too much vitamin D stops it working", "you put zinc with it? no it needs high levels of copper present in the drinking water"... What is needed is strong voices to just call bullshit both on conspiracy theorists and on bad government decisions. Unfortunately I do not see that happening any time soon. | |||
"The biggest government failure is the failure to protect our rights. The virus is just the excuse the government needs to take them. " What rights have they taken specific to the pandemic? | |||
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"We are all entitled to a chunk of the blame pie. Every single one of us has played a part in this pandemic willingly or not" This is true. But perhaps not equal parts. Subject for a different thread anyway.  | |||
"A report by Imperial College tells that RNA analysis of their latest round of patient swab tests from across the UK now shows infections to be 100% delta variant. This shows that (a) delta has a huge transmission advantage over alpha (b) there is sufficient population mixing going on to get it to every place in the uk within about 8 weeks. To a first approximation that means there is zero bio security being enforced from one end of the uk to the other. When we are 18 months into a world wide pandemic, this represents a total failure of disease control measures. Basically it would not be possible to make the SARS-COV-2 Delta variant spread any faster even if it was loaded into cannisters and sprayed over towns by crop duster aircraft. How can this not represent an utterly damning indictment of our government? They have had more than 18 months to learn, they have miserably failed in learning anything. PS. No party politics intended or implied here, I have no comment upon the colour of tie the current cabinet wears, nor any interest in whether some other party might have been just as bad. The point is that the current government have proved themselves totally incapable in a time of crisis. Discuss please. Whilst I agree with most of what you say.. And whilst I also think our govt and scientists have failed us over and over and over in the last 18bmonths. The govt strategy and the demands of the population for the last 3 months have been to open up and very specifically not implement biisecurity. You can't have on the one hand and objective to unlock the country based on the demands of the people and yet at the same time control the spread of anything. The two objectives are mutually exclusive. We have been in a strategy to in unlock since May? We also changed strategy when Javid took over to infect as many people as quickly as possible in summertime so they have natural immunity by winter time. Again. The strategies are exclusive. " The demands f the population have not been to open up, polling has consistently supported maintaining restrictions by a wide margin. | |||
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"A report by Imperial College tells that RNA analysis of their latest round of patient swab tests from across the UK now shows infections to be 100% delta variant. This shows that (a) delta has a huge transmission advantage over alpha (b) there is sufficient population mixing going on to get it to every place in the uk within about 8 weeks. To a first approximation that means there is zero bio security being enforced from one end of the uk to the other. When we are 18 months into a world wide pandemic, this represents a total failure of disease control measures. Basically it would not be possible to make the SARS-COV-2 Delta variant spread any faster even if it was loaded into cannisters and sprayed over towns by crop duster aircraft. How can this not represent an utterly damning indictment of our government? They have had more than 18 months to learn, they have miserably failed in learning anything. PS. No party politics intended or implied here, I have no comment upon the colour of tie the current cabinet wears, nor any interest in whether some other party might have been just as bad. The point is that the current government have proved themselves totally incapable in a time of crisis. Discuss please." (rainbo | |||
"No party politics intended in a thread titled Delta- total failure of government. "Politics yes, but not specifically party oriented. Over my voting life I have actually voted for all of the major parties other than extremists such as BNP, EDL, UKIP. At each national or local election I look at the specific policies of the parties and cast my poll as I feel those policies will be best for self, family, local area, country, world (yes I freely admit to having some element of self interest, I make no claim to be pure-hearted and thinking only of others). The question really is whether on an absolute scale, regardless of what party they represent, the current incumbents of the government have done their best possible job or made a complete cock of things regarding covid. (Spectrum of performance is allowed, perfectly okay to say did A well but B badly, and give an overall mark out of ten). | |||
"The biggest government failure is the failure to protect our rights. The virus is just the excuse the government needs to take them. What rights have they taken specific to the pandemic? " Are you just out of hibernation that you need to ask that question? | |||
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"It's tragic that it's been so atrocious. We could have stopped much of delta entering the UK, which would have restrained its spread. It really is as if we learned nothing from when we let it flood in at the start of the pandemic. The relaxations of late have helped it propagate too well. I don't know who trusted this lot, expecting better " Apparently we had robust contact tracing in February of last year. We could have avoided most of this mess if it hadn't been abandoned  | |||
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"People say covid isn't increasing but it doesn't seem that way from what I've seen lately. I've been travelling around the country visiting places and people have been waving me off because they have the virus. This is happening more than before lockdown. " I'd guess offical Covid numbers are down because everybody was told they could basically do what they want and restrictions were gone. So lots stopped testing. Also, with so many people getting pinged, I'm guessing lots stopped using that app too so they could go and work. | |||
"We are all entitled to a chunk of the blame pie. Every single one of us has played a part in this pandemic willingly or not" Hmmm really! How so? | |||
"A report by Imperial College tells that RNA analysis of their latest round of patient swab tests from across the UK now shows infections to be 100% delta variant. This shows that (a) delta has a huge transmission advantage over alpha (b) there is sufficient population mixing going on to get it to every place in the uk within about 8 weeks. To a first approximation that means there is zero bio security being enforced from one end of the uk to the other. When we are 18 months into a world wide pandemic, this represents a total failure of disease control measures. Basically it would not be possible to make the SARS-COV-2 Delta variant spread any faster even if it was loaded into cannisters and sprayed over towns by crop duster aircraft. How can this not represent an utterly damning indictment of our government? They have had more than 18 months to learn, they have miserably failed in learning anything. PS. No party politics intended or implied here, I have no comment upon the colour of tie the current cabinet wears, nor any interest in whether some other party might have been just as bad. The point is that the current government have proved themselves totally incapable in a time of crisis. Discuss please." A total failure of the vaxx | |||
"A report by Imperial College tells that RNA analysis of their latest round of patient swab tests from across the UK now shows infections to be 100% delta variant. This shows that (a) delta has a huge transmission advantage over alpha (b) there is sufficient population mixing going on to get it to every place in the uk within about 8 weeks. To a first approximation that means there is zero bio security being enforced from one end of the uk to the other. When we are 18 months into a world wide pandemic, this represents a total failure of disease control measures. Basically it would not be possible to make the SARS-COV-2 Delta variant spread any faster even if it was loaded into cannisters and sprayed over towns by crop duster aircraft. How can this not represent an utterly damning indictment of our government? They have had more than 18 months to learn, they have miserably failed in learning anything. PS. No party politics intended or implied here, I have no comment upon the colour of tie the current cabinet wears, nor any interest in whether some other party might have been just as bad. The point is that the current government have proved themselves totally incapable in a time of crisis. Discuss please. A total failure of the vaxx " Are you ignorant or just ignoring the facts of the vaxx ?? | |||
"People say covid isn't increasing but it doesn't seem that way from what I've seen lately. I've been travelling around the country visiting places and people have been waving me off because they have the virus. This is happening more than before lockdown. " The data is bizarre at the moment. It doesn't make much sense. | |||
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"A government's first duty is supposed to be to protect the lives of its citizens. on that basis alone, our government have failed terribly. When it comes to delta, they didn't just fail to slow or halt its spread. They actually aided its spread. Early on, Johnson was speaking about herd immunity and saying we should just "take it on the chin." It's hard not to feel the spread of delta was actually allowed as a deliberate policy at this point." It was a clear strategy shift when Javid took over as health Secretary. A race to get as many infected as quickly as possible in summer. The removal of restrictions... The bizarre test events (what did they achieve?). Telling people it's OK to go and gather in your thousands, and at the same time watch out for any bastard youngsters who haven't been double jabbed yet. There may have been a different an but it felt like the sun came out, Javid threw the balls in the air and said have at it. While we have the not so subtle crow bar messages of... You can go on holiday of you get 2 jabs. You can go to events if you've got 2 jabs. You can go to uni if you've got 2 jabs, you can get a job if you've got 2 jabs. and so on. A Very bizarre set of policies. It's OK... But it's not OK. Its safe... But its not safe. Its going down but its going up at the same time. | |||
"A government's first duty is supposed to be to protect the lives of its citizens. on that basis alone, our government have failed terribly. When it comes to delta, they didn't just fail to slow or halt its spread. They actually aided its spread. Early on, Johnson was speaking about herd immunity and saying we should just "take it on the chin." It's hard not to feel the spread of delta was actually allowed as a deliberate policy at this point. It was a clear strategy shift when Javid took over as health Secretary. A race to get as many infected as quickly as possible in summer. The removal of restrictions... The bizarre test events (what did they achieve?). Telling people it's OK to go and gather in your thousands, and at the same time watch out for any bastard youngsters who haven't been double jabbed yet. There may have been a different an but it felt like the sun came out, Javid threw the balls in the air and said have at it. While we have the not so subtle crow bar messages of... You can go on holiday of you get 2 jabs. You can go to events if you've got 2 jabs. You can go to uni if you've got 2 jabs, you can get a job if you've got 2 jabs. and so on. A Very bizarre set of policies. It's OK... But it's not OK. Its safe... But its not safe. Its going down but its going up at the same time. " Yeah, it's an inconsistent mess. It gives me zero confidence to go out, I want no part in this mess. | |||
"A government's first duty is supposed to be to protect the lives of its citizens. on that basis alone, our government have failed terribly. When it comes to delta, they didn't just fail to slow or halt its spread. They actually aided its spread. Early on, Johnson was speaking about herd immunity and saying we should just "take it on the chin." It's hard not to feel the spread of delta was actually allowed as a deliberate policy at this point. It was a clear strategy shift when Javid took over as health Secretary. A race to get as many infected as quickly as possible in summer. The removal of restrictions... The bizarre test events (what did they achieve?). Telling people it's OK to go and gather in your thousands, and at the same time watch out for any bastard youngsters who haven't been double jabbed yet. There may have been a different an but it felt like the sun came out, Javid threw the balls in the air and said have at it. While we have the not so subtle crow bar messages of... You can go on holiday of you get 2 jabs. You can go to events if you've got 2 jabs. You can go to uni if you've got 2 jabs, you can get a job if you've got 2 jabs. and so on. A Very bizarre set of policies. It's OK... But it's not OK. Its safe... But its not safe. Its going down but its going up at the same time. " Govt as well as the people have had enough of covid now, even the theatre news have tamed right down with it, we will be left to run with it how we see fit and see what happens in autumn | |||
"No party politics intended in a thread titled Delta- total failure of government. " | |||
"No party politics intended in a thread titled Delta- total failure of government. "Why can we not examine what was done or not done without making it a slinging match? I don't care if Hitler did it or Nelson Mandela did it. What was done, and what's the effect? | |||
"No party politics intended in a thread titled Delta- total failure of government.
Why can we not examine what was done or not done without making it a slinging match?
I don't care if Hitler did it or Nelson Mandela did it. What was done, and what's the effect?"Has anyone said "would Labour have done any better" yet? Because everything has to be an us against them thing. | |||
"No party politics intended in a thread titled Delta- total failure of government.
Why can we not examine what was done or not done without making it a slinging match?
I don't care if Hitler did it or Nelson Mandela did it. What was done, and what's the effect?
Has anyone said "would Labour have done any better" yet? Because everything has to be an us against them thing."Surprisingly no! Hopefully that just reflects the realisation that while we will never know if Labour could have done better, what we do know is that NOBODY could have done worse! Might be a bitter pill to swallow for some but Boris and chums are useless! | |||
"No party politics intended in a thread titled Delta- total failure of government.
Why can we not examine what was done or not done without making it a slinging match?
I don't care if Hitler did it or Nelson Mandela did it. What was done, and what's the effect?
Has anyone said "would Labour have done any better" yet? Because everything has to be an us against them thing.
Surprisingly no! Hopefully that just reflects the realisation that while we will never know if Labour could have done better, what we do know is that NOBODY could have done worse! Might be a bitter pill to swallow for some but Boris and chums are useless!" | |||
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"Has the government managed things in the best possible way? No Has any other government? No Most government officials are in it for themselves plus they aren’t scientists so they couldn’t fully grasp the fact that we were entering a pandemic. Scientists have been warning that it would happen for over 20 years which is sadly why they weren’t taken seriously early on. With the majority of the population in this country now vaccinated it probably is time that we start to live with this virus. It’s not the first we have had to cope with and it most definitely won’t be the last. I predict that there will be another far worse pandemic within the next 20 years. How many lessons will we learn and implement by then? Probably nowhere near as many as we should." I think the governments of places like Taiwan, New Zealand, South Korea, Iceland, Singapore etc. may disagree with you. | |||
"What test determines which variant it is? " https://fullfact.org/health/delta-variant-tests/ | |||
"What test determines which variant it is? " genome sequencing | |||
"What test determines which variant it is? genome sequencing" snap! | |||
"What test determines which variant it is? genome sequencing snap! "I dont think my brain works like a normal persons because whenever I hear genome I can't help but think of an actual Grome with the rod in a lab coat. | |||
"What test determines which variant it is? genome sequencing snap!
I dont think my brain works like a normal persons because whenever I hear genome I can't help but think of an actual Grome with the rod in a lab coat. " | |||
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"What test determines which variant it is? https://fullfact.org/health/delta-variant-tests/" Thank you; This just says there aren't any direct varient tests though in the first line. 'This isn’t quite right. Although there are no direct Delta variant tests, PCR tests that are positive for SARS-CoV-2 can undergo genetic analysis such as ‘genomic sequencing’ which tells us if it is the Delta (or another) variant. This means it is possible to accurately identify if someone is unwell with the Delta variant of Covid-19.' So have there been other varients since the start or just since they have been testing for them? | |||
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"Has the government managed things in the best possible way? No Has any other government? No Most government officials are in it for themselves plus they aren’t scientists so they couldn’t fully grasp the fact that we were entering a pandemic. Scientists have been warning that it would happen for over 20 years which is sadly why they weren’t taken seriously early on. With the majority of the population in this country now vaccinated it probably is time that we start to live with this virus. It’s not the first we have had to cope with and it most definitely won’t be the last. I predict that there will be another far worse pandemic within the next 20 years. How many lessons will we learn and implement by then? Probably nowhere near as many as we should." | |||
"What test determines which variant it is? https://fullfact.org/health/delta-variant-tests/ Thank you; This just says there aren't any direct varient tests though in the first line. 'This isn’t quite right. Although there are no direct Delta variant tests, PCR tests that are positive for SARS-CoV-2 can undergo genetic analysis such as ‘genomic sequencing’ which tells us if it is the Delta (or another) variant. This means it is possible to accurately identify if someone is unwell with the Delta variant of Covid-19.' So have there been other varients since the start or just since they have been testing for them? " I don't know when they started, but I believe they first picked up Alpha in September or October last year. They sample some of the positives. | |||
"Has the government managed things in the best possible way? No Has any other government? No Most government officials are in it for themselves plus they aren’t scientists so they couldn’t fully grasp the fact that we were entering a pandemic. Scientists have been warning that it would happen for over 20 years which is sadly why they weren’t taken seriously early on. With the majority of the population in this country now vaccinated it probably is time that we start to live with this virus. It’s not the first we have had to cope with and it most definitely won’t be the last. I predict that there will be another far worse pandemic within the next 20 years. How many lessons will we learn and implement by then? Probably nowhere near as many as we should. I think the governments of places like Taiwan, New Zealand, South Korea, Iceland, Singapore etc. may disagree with you." Only time will tell.. those countries still have few people with Covid antibodies... they are not through the pandemic, right now they are simply at an earlier stage. We will not know for some time if they avoid having a surge without keeping boarders locked down indefinitely | |||
"How can this not represent an utterly damning indictment of our government? They have had more than 18 months to learn, they have miserably failed in learning anything. PS. No party politics intended or implied here, I have no comment upon the colour of tie the current cabinet wears, nor any interest in whether some other party might have been just as bad. The point is that the current government have proved themselves totally incapable in a time of crisis. Discuss please." You talk about 'our government'? Which Government? Health is a devolved matter in the UK, So which Govt are you talking about, The English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Ireland governments? | |||
"How can this not represent an utterly damning indictment of our government? They have had more than 18 months to learn, they have miserably failed in learning anything. PS. No party politics intended or implied here, I have no comment upon the colour of tie the current cabinet wears, nor any interest in whether some other party might have been just as bad. The point is that the current government have proved themselves totally incapable in a time of crisis. Discuss please. You talk about 'our government'? Which Government? Health is a devolved matter in the UK, So which Govt are you talking about, The English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Ireland governments?" England. I do apologise for the vagueness, I have to confess that I've failed to keep track of the health policy differences between the four regions. My (not very good) defence is that I have become over-accustomed to the reality of the lot in Whitehall running roughshod over the other parliaments/assemblies in every matter where they can get away with it. My impression though is that Scotland and Wales have tried harder to control the epidemic than England. I don't feel that I have enough awareness of the NI performance to say in their case, though I suggest it would be very difficult to do worse than England. | |||
"How can this not represent an utterly damning indictment of our government? They have had more than 18 months to learn, they have miserably failed in learning anything. PS. No party politics intended or implied here, I have no comment upon the colour of tie the current cabinet wears, nor any interest in whether some other party might have been just as bad. The point is that the current government have proved themselves totally incapable in a time of crisis. Discuss please. You talk about 'our government'? Which Government? Health is a devolved matter in the UK, So which Govt are you talking about, The English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Ireland governments? England. I do apologise for the vagueness, I have to confess that I've failed to keep track of the health policy differences between the four regions. My (not very good) defence is that I have become over-accustomed to the reality of the lot in Whitehall running roughshod over the other parliaments/assemblies in every matter where they can get away with it. My impression though is that Scotland and Wales have tried harder to control the epidemic than England. I don't feel that I have enough awareness of the NI performance to say in their case, though I suggest it would be very difficult to do worse than England." Yawn ? So what’s this ruckus all about? Yeah I’ve read enough | |||
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"If this government is bad then imagine where we would be if Jeremy Corbyn et al had been elected and was now the current government...." That’s not your man off top gear right ? | |||
"If this government is bad then imagine where we would be if Jeremy Corbyn et al had been elected and was now the current government...." Doesn’t bear thinking about. Diane Abbott can’t put on a pair on matching shoes I dread to think what more she couldn’t do as a cabinet minister! We have a poor government right now but randomly selecting a class of primary school children to run the country would have produced a far more credible and competent government than the Corbyn offering! | |||
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"If this government is bad then imagine where we would be if Jeremy Corbyn et al had been elected and was now the current government...." Yeah, having a government that prioritises people over profit would be a terrible thing during a pandemic.  | |||
"If this government is bad then imagine where we would be if Jeremy Corbyn et al had been elected and was now the current government.... Doesn’t bear thinking about. Diane Abbott can’t put on a pair on matching shoes I dread to think what more she couldn’t do as a cabinet minister! We have a poor government right now but randomly selecting a class of primary school children to run the country would have produced a far more credible and competent government than the Corbyn offering! " You do know that the shoe photo was photoshopped ? | |||
"A report by Imperial College tells that RNA analysis of their latest round of patient swab tests from across the UK now shows infections to be 100% delta variant. This shows that (a) delta has a huge transmission advantage over alpha (b) there is sufficient population mixing going on to get it to every place in the uk within about 8 weeks. To a first approximation that means there is zero bio security being enforced from one end of the uk to the other. When we are 18 months into a world wide pandemic, this represents a total failure of disease control measures. Basically it would not be possible to make the SARS-COV-2 Delta variant spread any faster even if it was loaded into cannisters and sprayed over towns by crop duster aircraft. How can this not represent an utterly damning indictment of our government? They have had more than 18 months to learn, they have miserably failed in learning anything. PS. No party politics intended or implied here, I have no comment upon the colour of tie the current cabinet wears, nor any interest in whether some other party might have been just as bad. The point is that the current government have proved themselves totally incapable in a time of crisis. Discuss please." This is literally the definition of an over reaction | |||
"If this government is bad then imagine where we would be if Jeremy Corbyn et al had been elected and was now the current government...." Do you have a contract supplying PPE or are you Dido Harding? I'd much rather we had a government that would prioritise people over funneling tax revenues into their mates' pockets. It's been a total cluster fuck. Or maybe you have a crystal ball? | |||
"Rates are going down and hospital cases aren't rising. 70% of the population is double vaccinated and the vaccine is effective at reducing the severity of and liklihood of catching the delta variant. All this despite reducing restrictions. What's not to like? " Exactly. Give them a chance. No easy answers whoever is in power. | |||
"If this government is bad then imagine where we would be if Jeremy Corbyn et al had been elected and was now the current government...." The ONLY thing we know with 100% certainty is that nobody could possibly know how a different UK government (even different Tories) would have responded to this crisis. It is simply ridiculous to state things like this because we simply cannot know. We have the govt we have. They have done the things they have done. You’d have to be pretty blinkered to hand on heart really believe they have done a good job. It has been a shambles for everyone except those lining their pockets through unscrutinised govt contracts. | |||
"If this government is bad then imagine where we would be if Jeremy Corbyn et al had been elected and was now the current government.... The ONLY thing we know with 100% certainty is that nobody could possibly know how a different UK government (even different Tories) would have responded to this crisis. It is simply ridiculous to state things like this because we simply cannot know. We have the govt we have. They have done the things they have done. You’d have to be pretty blinkered to hand on heart really believe they have done a good job. It has been a shambles for everyone except those lining their pockets through unscrutinised govt contracts. " | |||
"Rates are going down and hospital cases aren't rising. 70% of the population is double vaccinated and the vaccine is effective at reducing the severity of and liklihood of catching the delta variant. All this despite reducing restrictions. What's not to like? Exactly. Give them a chance. No easy answers whoever is in power. " 100 real peple a day still dyeing & you think the Gov are doing a good job??? | |||
"Rates are going down and hospital cases aren't rising. 70% of the population is double vaccinated and the vaccine is effective at reducing the severity of and liklihood of catching the delta variant. All this despite reducing restrictions. What's not to like? Exactly. Give them a chance. No easy answers whoever is in power. 100 real peple a day still dyeing & you think the Gov are doing a good job??? " We've become so unbelievably numb to death and seem to be ignoring long term disability. As a society... what have we become? | |||
"Rates are going down and hospital cases aren't rising. 70% of the population is double vaccinated and the vaccine is effective at reducing the severity of and liklihood of catching the delta variant. All this despite reducing restrictions. What's not to like? Exactly. Give them a chance. No easy answers whoever is in power. 100 real peple a day still dyeing & you think the Gov are doing a good job??? " Sadly no one seems to mention this anymore, 100's of people a week dying and it isn't even newsworthy or discounted by people who say oh well, never mind I am guessing if it was their relative they would have a different view | |||
"Rates are going down and hospital cases aren't rising. 70% of the population is double vaccinated and the vaccine is effective at reducing the severity of and liklihood of catching the delta variant. All this despite reducing restrictions. What's not to like? Exactly. Give them a chance. No easy answers whoever is in power. 100 real peple a day still dyeing & you think the Gov are doing a good job??? " I think the problem is the focus and this highlights it. There are not 100 people who die a day. There are over 1,500 that die a day but we only focus on the covid deaths the focus on covid deaths is distracting from other issues. My dad had heart troubles and had to wait over 8 weeks just for test results. Not due to covid cases but due to doctors isolating due to getting pinged. All deaths are equal covid deaths aren’t all that matter. | |||
"Rates are going down and hospital cases aren't rising. 70% of the population is double vaccinated and the vaccine is effective at reducing the severity of and liklihood of catching the delta variant. All this despite reducing restrictions. What's not to like? Exactly. Give them a chance. No easy answers whoever is in power. 100 real peple a day still dyeing & you think the Gov are doing a good job??? I think the problem is the focus and this highlights it. There are not 100 people who die a day. There are over 1,500 that die a day but we only focus on the covid deaths the focus on covid deaths is distracting from other issues. My dad had heart troubles and had to wait over 8 weeks just for test results. Not due to covid cases but due to doctors isolating due to getting pinged. All deaths are equal covid deaths aren’t all that matter. " I totally agree. | |||
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"Exactly to design think the point is they now ant it to cover every part of the Uk…. The aim is to get everyone to have antibodies, because this is this only protection…. Take the vaccine or take your chance antibodies are the only protection … make your choice how you get them …." Exactly to design is how it has always been. I posted the same statement a few days ago. | |||
"The biggest government failure is the failure to protect our rights. The virus is just the excuse the government needs to take them. " To be fair, they could have also have said, "Fuck off and Die" - but they didn't! | |||
"If this government is bad then imagine where we would be if Jeremy Corbyn et al had been elected and was now the current government.... The ONLY thing we know with 100% certainty is that nobody could possibly know how a different UK government (even different Tories) would have responded to this crisis. It is simply ridiculous to state things like this because we simply cannot know. We have the govt we have. They have done the things they have done. You’d have to be pretty blinkered to hand on heart really believe they have done a good job. It has been a shambles for everyone except those lining their pockets through unscrutinised govt contracts. " Another Government whatever the colour would be no different! The lessons learnt and the mistakes made might vary to a minor degree, but whoever was in power, it would be a very steep learning curve! | |||
"Rates are going down and hospital cases aren't rising. 70% of the population is double vaccinated and the vaccine is effective at reducing the severity of and liklihood of catching the delta variant. All this despite reducing restrictions. What's not to like? Exactly. Give them a chance. No easy answers whoever is in power. 100 real peple a day still dyeing & you think the Gov are doing a good job??? Sadly no one seems to mention this anymore, 100's of people a week dying and it isn't even newsworthy or discounted by people who say oh well, never mind I am guessing if it was their relative they would have a different view" I don't necessarily think people have become desensitized to Covid deaths now they have decreased to under a 100 a day. A lot can happen within a 17 months of anyone's life, for them personally or for a loved one close to them, diagnosis of a disease, bereavements, mental heath issues, financial woes, divorce, the list is endless. A family friend passed away last week due to Covid , his death would have been just a number stated in the news headlines. I can say this man lived a good life and hopefully he'll join his beloved wife in the hereafter but I feel for his children right now. Every life lost is a awful, however they died, especially if its a child but he lived a good age and whether his children blame Boris & Co - pass I've know idea. Life is short even in its longest days. | |||
"If this government is bad then imagine where we would be if Jeremy Corbyn et al had been elected and was now the current government.... The ONLY thing we know with 100% certainty is that nobody could possibly know how a different UK government (even different Tories) would have responded to this crisis. It is simply ridiculous to state things like this because we simply cannot know. We have the govt we have. They have done the things they have done. You’d have to be pretty blinkered to hand on heart really believe they have done a good job. It has been a shambles for everyone except those lining their pockets through unscrutinised govt contracts. Another Government whatever the colour would be no different! The lessons learnt and the mistakes made might vary to a minor degree, but whoever was in power, it would be a very steep learning curve! " Would a different government be giving all the money to their brother in laws and mates though, and ignoring court judgements to show the contracts? | |||
"If this government is bad then imagine where we would be if Jeremy Corbyn et al had been elected and was now the current government.... The ONLY thing we know with 100% certainty is that nobody could possibly know how a different UK government (even different Tories) would have responded to this crisis. It is simply ridiculous to state things like this because we simply cannot know. We have the govt we have. They have done the things they have done. You’d have to be pretty blinkered to hand on heart really believe they have done a good job. It has been a shambles for everyone except those lining their pockets through unscrutinised govt contracts. Another Government whatever the colour would be no different! The lessons learnt and the mistakes made might vary to a minor degree, but whoever was in power, it would be a very steep learning curve! " Exactly. All this “Corbyn/Labour wouldn’t have done any better” is complete misdirectional bollocks and quite frankly I don’t give a fuck what a hypothetical different reality would have resulted in. Our govt have done what they have done. It has not been a good result. Couldn’t care less what colour tie they wear! | |||
"It's just how far it does climb now. Are we talking 2000 on ventilation 4000 8000 And if it does rise that high what will be the government response. " 871 as of Today | |||
"It's just how far it does climb now. Are we talking 2000 on ventilation 4000 8000 And if it does rise that high what will be the government response. 871 as of Today" Hospitalisation figures are interesting with regards to media reporting. On the 3rd August the media reported that 742 patients were admitted with Covid Yes that’s very true but what they didn’t highlight was the fact that patients with Covid dropped by 224. | |||
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"A report by Imperial College tells that RNA analysis of their latest round of patient swab tests from across the UK now shows infections to be 100% delta variant. This shows that (a) delta has a huge transmission advantage over alpha (b) there is sufficient population mixing going on to get it to every place in the uk within about 8 weeks. To a first approximation that means there is zero bio security being enforced from one end of the uk to the other. When we are 18 months into a world wide pandemic, this represents a total failure of disease control measures. Basically it would not be possible to make the SARS-COV-2 Delta variant spread any faster even if it was loaded into cannisters and sprayed over towns by crop duster aircraft. How can this not represent an utterly damning indictment of our government? They have had more than 18 months to learn, they have miserably failed in learning anything. PS. No party politics intended or implied here, I have no comment upon the colour of tie the current cabinet wears, nor any interest in whether some other party might have been just as bad. The point is that the current government have proved themselves totally incapable in a time of crisis. Discuss please. Whilst I agree with most of what you say.. And whilst I also think our govt and scientists have failed us over and over and over in the last 18bmonths. The govt strategy and the demands of the population for the last 3 months have been to open up and very specifically not implement biisecurity. You can't have on the one hand and objective to unlock the country based on the demands of the people and yet at the same time control the spread of anything. The two objectives are mutually exclusive. We have been in a strategy to in unlock since May? We also changed strategy when Javid took over to infect as many people as quickly as possible in summertime so they have natural immunity by winter time. Again. The strategies are exclusive. The demands f the population have not been to open up, polling has consistently supported maintaining restrictions by a wide margin." Brexit and Trump come to mind. Polls are mostly meaningless | |||
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"There is nothing to discuss, except that you obviously do not understand how covid is spread. It is not spread by the government but by individuals such as you and me. It is us that need to take precautions and avoid contact with other people, not the government, they simply send out alerts to the problem and recommend precautions, we have to put those precautions into action. Unless or until we all protect ourselves covid-19 will continue to be a threat. Take responsibility for yourself and don't try to blame governments." It’s the government’s responsibility to provide a clear message and guidance, that’s what leadership is. You cannot leave people to make up their own minds over such complex issues. People will always find a reason why it’s acceptable for them to do something, we will always justify it to ourselves. Personal responsibility is important but to say the government is not to blame for this absolute shambles is to completely misunderstand what leadership is, and what a government is there to do. | |||
"There is nothing to discuss, except that you obviously do not understand how covid is spread. It is not spread by the government but by individuals such as you and me. It is us that need to take precautions and avoid contact with other people, not the government, they simply send out alerts to the problem and recommend precautions, we have to put those precautions into action. Unless or until we all protect ourselves covid-19 will continue to be a threat. Take responsibility for yourself and don't try to blame governments. It’s the government’s responsibility to provide a clear message and guidance, that’s what leadership is. You cannot leave people to make up their own minds over such complex issues. People will always find a reason why it’s acceptable for them to do something, we will always justify it to ourselves. Personal responsibility is important but to say the government is not to blame for this absolute shambles is to completely misunderstand what leadership is, and what a government is there to do." You would have had to spend the last 18 months on the moon not to know how to try to avoid catching covid. | |||
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"There is nothing to discuss, except that you obviously do not understand how covid is spread. It is not spread by the government but by individuals such as you and me. It is us that need to take precautions and avoid contact with other people, not the government, they simply send out alerts to the problem and recommend precautions, we have to put those precautions into action. Unless or until we all protect ourselves covid-19 will continue to be a threat. Take responsibility for yourself and don't try to blame governments. It’s the government’s responsibility to provide a clear message and guidance, that’s what leadership is. You cannot leave people to make up their own minds over such complex issues. People will always find a reason why it’s acceptable for them to do something, we will always justify it to ourselves. Personal responsibility is important but to say the government is not to blame for this absolute shambles is to completely misunderstand what leadership is, and what a government is there to do.You would have had to spend the last 18 months on the moon not to know how to try to avoid catching covid. "You would, yet lots of people, including very senior members of the government ignore the advice. Add to that the amount of Covid denial and anti-vaxx nonsense there is out there and you have ready made excuses for the people who basically want to be able to do what the fuck they want and not consider anyone but themselves. There are even people, despite all the information out there about Covid, despite the 150,000 deaths, who liken it to flu! When people talk about personal responsibility I’m always reminded of this George Carlin quote “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” | |||
"There is nothing to discuss, except that you obviously do not understand how covid is spread. It is not spread by the government but by individuals such as you and me. It is us that need to take precautions and avoid contact with other people, not the government, they simply send out alerts to the problem and recommend precautions, we have to put those precautions into action. Unless or until we all protect ourselves covid-19 will continue to be a threat. Take responsibility for yourself and don't try to blame governments. It’s the government’s responsibility to provide a clear message and guidance, that’s what leadership is. You cannot leave people to make up their own minds over such complex issues. People will always find a reason why it’s acceptable for them to do something, we will always justify it to ourselves. Personal responsibility is important but to say the government is not to blame for this absolute shambles is to completely misunderstand what leadership is, and what a government is there to do.You would have had to spend the last 18 months on the moon not to know how to try to avoid catching covid.
You would, yet lots of people, including very senior members of the government ignore the advice. Add to that the amount of Covid denial and anti-vaxx nonsense there is out there and you have ready made excuses for the people who basically want to be able to do what the fuck they want and not consider anyone but themselves.
There are even people, despite all the information out there about Covid, despite the 150,000 deaths, who liken it to flu!
When people talk about personal responsibility I’m always reminded of this George Carlin quote
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
"Taking all those points into consideration, how would you expect any government to address them,, other than a Wuhan style lockdown. They can only give advice, most adults not looking for a political hit understood that advice | |||
"There is nothing to discuss, except that you obviously do not understand how covid is spread. It is not spread by the government but by individuals such as you and me. It is us that need to take precautions and avoid contact with other people, not the government, they simply send out alerts to the problem and recommend precautions, we have to put those precautions into action. Unless or until we all protect ourselves covid-19 will continue to be a threat. Take responsibility for yourself and don't try to blame governments. It’s the government’s responsibility to provide a clear message and guidance, that’s what leadership is. You cannot leave people to make up their own minds over such complex issues. People will always find a reason why it’s acceptable for them to do something, we will always justify it to ourselves. Personal responsibility is important but to say the government is not to blame for this absolute shambles is to completely misunderstand what leadership is, and what a government is there to do.You would have had to spend the last 18 months on the moon not to know how to try to avoid catching covid.
You would, yet lots of people, including very senior members of the government ignore the advice. Add to that the amount of Covid denial and anti-vaxx nonsense there is out there and you have ready made excuses for the people who basically want to be able to do what the fuck they want and not consider anyone but themselves.
There are even people, despite all the information out there about Covid, despite the 150,000 deaths, who liken it to flu!
When people talk about personal responsibility I’m always reminded of this George Carlin quote
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
Taking all those points into consideration, how would you expect any government to address them,, other than a Wuhan style lockdown.
They can only give advice, most adults not looking for a political hit understood that advice"A coherent strategy and communication plan would be my first suggestion, along with not letting special advisers flout the rules. Everyone likes to think they are an individual who can’t be told what to do but in reality we are all driven by a desire to belong. Had the government been transparent and set out why it was doing things, explaining that as the science changes so restrictions may change, then they would’ve had even greater adherence to restrictions than they had. The government prioritised money over lives and were looking to use Covid as an opportunity to make cash rather than save the lives of its citizens. Admittedly they’ve since done a very good job of convincing the kind of people who don’t care about the lives of others that this was a good idea but imagine if they hadn’t needed to? Also if they hadn’t made allowances for their rich pals to come in and out of the country and instead closed the borders that would’ve helped too. | |||
"There is nothing to discuss, except that you obviously do not understand how covid is spread. It is not spread by the government but by individuals such as you and me. It is us that need to take precautions and avoid contact with other people, not the government, they simply send out alerts to the problem and recommend precautions, we have to put those precautions into action. Unless or until we all protect ourselves covid-19 will continue to be a threat. Take responsibility for yourself and don't try to blame governments. It’s the government’s responsibility to provide a clear message and guidance, that’s what leadership is. You cannot leave people to make up their own minds over such complex issues. People will always find a reason why it’s acceptable for them to do something, we will always justify it to ourselves. Personal responsibility is important but to say the government is not to blame for this absolute shambles is to completely misunderstand what leadership is, and what a government is there to do.You would have had to spend the last 18 months on the moon not to know how to try to avoid catching covid.
You would, yet lots of people, including very senior members of the government ignore the advice. Add to that the amount of Covid denial and anti-vaxx nonsense there is out there and you have ready made excuses for the people who basically want to be able to do what the fuck they want and not consider anyone but themselves.
There are even people, despite all the information out there about Covid, despite the 150,000 deaths, who liken it to flu!
When people talk about personal responsibility I’m always reminded of this George Carlin quote
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
Taking all those points into consideration, how would you expect any government to address them,, other than a Wuhan style lockdown.
They can only give advice, most adults not looking for a political hit understood that advice
A coherent strategy and communication plan would be my first suggestion, along with not letting special advisers flout the rules. Everyone likes to think they are an individual who can’t be told what to do but in reality we are all driven by a desire to belong.
Had the government been transparent and set out why it was doing things, explaining that as the science changes so restrictions may change, then they would’ve had even greater adherence to restrictions than they had.
The government prioritised money over lives and were looking to use Covid as an opportunity to make cash rather than save the lives of its citizens. Admittedly they’ve since done a very good job of convincing the kind of people who don’t care about the lives of others that this was a good idea but imagine if they hadn’t needed to?
Also if they hadn’t made allowances for their rich pals to come in and out of the country and instead closed the borders that would’ve helped too."Yes. How could the government have acted? A fuckton better than this. | |||
"There is nothing to discuss, except that you obviously do not understand how covid is spread. It is not spread by the government but by individuals such as you and me. It is us that need to take precautions and avoid contact with other people, not the government, they simply send out alerts to the problem and recommend precautions, we have to put those precautions into action. Unless or until we all protect ourselves covid-19 will continue to be a threat. Take responsibility for yourself and don't try to blame governments. It’s the government’s responsibility to provide a clear message and guidance, that’s what leadership is. You cannot leave people to make up their own minds over such complex issues. People will always find a reason why it’s acceptable for them to do something, we will always justify it to ourselves. Personal responsibility is important but to say the government is not to blame for this absolute shambles is to completely misunderstand what leadership is, and what a government is there to do.You would have had to spend the last 18 months on the moon not to know how to try to avoid catching covid.
You would, yet lots of people, including very senior members of the government ignore the advice. Add to that the amount of Covid denial and anti-vaxx nonsense there is out there and you have ready made excuses for the people who basically want to be able to do what the fuck they want and not consider anyone but themselves.
There are even people, despite all the information out there about Covid, despite the 150,000 deaths, who liken it to flu!
When people talk about personal responsibility I’m always reminded of this George Carlin quote
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
Taking all those points into consideration, how would you expect any government to address them,, other than a Wuhan style lockdown.
They can only give advice, most adults not looking for a political hit understood that advice
A coherent strategy and communication plan would be my first suggestion, along with not letting special advisers flout the rules. Everyone likes to think they are an individual who can’t be told what to do but in reality we are all driven by a desire to belong.
Had the government been transparent and set out why it was doing things, explaining that as the science changes so restrictions may change, then they would’ve had even greater adherence to restrictions than they had.
The government prioritised money over lives and were looking to use Covid as an opportunity to make cash rather than save the lives of its citizens. Admittedly they’ve since done a very good job of convincing the kind of people who don’t care about the lives of others that this was a good idea but imagine if they hadn’t needed to?
Also if they hadn’t made allowances for their rich pals to come in and out of the country and instead closed the borders that would’ve helped too."You appear to be big into generalisations. So are you saying that you failed to understand the advice you were given, or are you suggesting that the general public were too stupid to understand the advice they were given. If it's the former maybe its best not to transfer your failings onto the general public, if it's the latter, that appears to be contrary to the opinion of the behavioural experts on sage who acknowledge that the compliance by the population was a lot higher than they predicted. | |||
"There is nothing to discuss, except that you obviously do not understand how covid is spread. It is not spread by the government but by individuals such as you and me. It is us that need to take precautions and avoid contact with other people, not the government, they simply send out alerts to the problem and recommend precautions, we have to put those precautions into action. Unless or until we all protect ourselves covid-19 will continue to be a threat. Take responsibility for yourself and don't try to blame governments. It’s the government’s responsibility to provide a clear message and guidance, that’s what leadership is. You cannot leave people to make up their own minds over such complex issues. People will always find a reason why it’s acceptable for them to do something, we will always justify it to ourselves. Personal responsibility is important but to say the government is not to blame for this absolute shambles is to completely misunderstand what leadership is, and what a government is there to do.You would have had to spend the last 18 months on the moon not to know how to try to avoid catching covid.
You would, yet lots of people, including very senior members of the government ignore the advice. Add to that the amount of Covid denial and anti-vaxx nonsense there is out there and you have ready made excuses for the people who basically want to be able to do what the fuck they want and not consider anyone but themselves.
There are even people, despite all the information out there about Covid, despite the 150,000 deaths, who liken it to flu!
When people talk about personal responsibility I’m always reminded of this George Carlin quote
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
Taking all those points into consideration, how would you expect any government to address them,, other than a Wuhan style lockdown.
They can only give advice, most adults not looking for a political hit understood that advice
A coherent strategy and communication plan would be my first suggestion, along with not letting special advisers flout the rules. Everyone likes to think they are an individual who can’t be told what to do but in reality we are all driven by a desire to belong.
Had the government been transparent and set out why it was doing things, explaining that as the science changes so restrictions may change, then they would’ve had even greater adherence to restrictions than they had.
The government prioritised money over lives and were looking to use Covid as an opportunity to make cash rather than save the lives of its citizens. Admittedly they’ve since done a very good job of convincing the kind of people who don’t care about the lives of others that this was a good idea but imagine if they hadn’t needed to?
Also if they hadn’t made allowances for their rich pals to come in and out of the country and instead closed the borders that would’ve helped too.
You appear to be big into generalisations. So are you saying that you failed to understand the advice you were given, or are you suggesting that the general public were too stupid to understand the advice they were given.
If it's the former maybe its best not to transfer your failings onto the general public, if it's the latter, that appears to be contrary to the opinion of the behavioural experts on sage who acknowledge that the compliance by the population was a lot higher than they predicted."Let's get specific. Dominic Cummings did what any good father would do, in breaking the law. Any good father would break the law. Brilliant messaging. Top marks. | |||
"There is nothing to discuss, except that you obviously do not understand how covid is spread. It is not spread by the government but by individuals such as you and me. It is us that need to take precautions and avoid contact with other people, not the government, they simply send out alerts to the problem and recommend precautions, we have to put those precautions into action. Unless or until we all protect ourselves covid-19 will continue to be a threat. Take responsibility for yourself and don't try to blame governments. It’s the government’s responsibility to provide a clear message and guidance, that’s what leadership is. You cannot leave people to make up their own minds over such complex issues. People will always find a reason why it’s acceptable for them to do something, we will always justify it to ourselves. Personal responsibility is important but to say the government is not to blame for this absolute shambles is to completely misunderstand what leadership is, and what a government is there to do.You would have had to spend the last 18 months on the moon not to know how to try to avoid catching covid.
You would, yet lots of people, including very senior members of the government ignore the advice. Add to that the amount of Covid denial and anti-vaxx nonsense there is out there and you have ready made excuses for the people who basically want to be able to do what the fuck they want and not consider anyone but themselves.
There are even people, despite all the information out there about Covid, despite the 150,000 deaths, who liken it to flu!
When people talk about personal responsibility I’m always reminded of this George Carlin quote
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
Taking all those points into consideration, how would you expect any government to address them,, other than a Wuhan style lockdown.
They can only give advice, most adults not looking for a political hit understood that advice
A coherent strategy and communication plan would be my first suggestion, along with not letting special advisers flout the rules. Everyone likes to think they are an individual who can’t be told what to do but in reality we are all driven by a desire to belong.
Had the government been transparent and set out why it was doing things, explaining that as the science changes so restrictions may change, then they would’ve had even greater adherence to restrictions than they had.
The government prioritised money over lives and were looking to use Covid as an opportunity to make cash rather than save the lives of its citizens. Admittedly they’ve since done a very good job of convincing the kind of people who don’t care about the lives of others that this was a good idea but imagine if they hadn’t needed to?
Also if they hadn’t made allowances for their rich pals to come in and out of the country and instead closed the borders that would’ve helped too.
You appear to be big into generalisations. So are you saying that you failed to understand the advice you were given, or are you suggesting that the general public were too stupid to understand the advice they were given.
If it's the former maybe its best not to transfer your failings onto the general public, if it's the latter, that appears to be contrary to the opinion of the behavioural experts on sage who acknowledge that the compliance by the population was a lot higher than they predicted.
Let's get specific.
Dominic Cummings did what any good father would do, in breaking the law.
Any good father would break the law.
Brilliant messaging. Top marks."Cummings is and always will be an idiot who for some reason is lauded as a genius. Did the rest of the population go out and flout the rules after his trip out, evidence points to no. | |||
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"There is nothing to discuss, except that you obviously do not understand how covid is spread. It is not spread by the government but by individuals such as you and me. It is us that need to take precautions and avoid contact with other people, not the government, they simply send out alerts to the problem and recommend precautions, we have to put those precautions into action. Unless or until we all protect ourselves covid-19 will continue to be a threat. Take responsibility for yourself and don't try to blame governments. It’s the government’s responsibility to provide a clear message and guidance, that’s what leadership is. You cannot leave people to make up their own minds over such complex issues. People will always find a reason why it’s acceptable for them to do something, we will always justify it to ourselves. Personal responsibility is important but to say the government is not to blame for this absolute shambles is to completely misunderstand what leadership is, and what a government is there to do.You would have had to spend the last 18 months on the moon not to know how to try to avoid catching covid.
You would, yet lots of people, including very senior members of the government ignore the advice. Add to that the amount of Covid denial and anti-vaxx nonsense there is out there and you have ready made excuses for the people who basically want to be able to do what the fuck they want and not consider anyone but themselves.
There are even people, despite all the information out there about Covid, despite the 150,000 deaths, who liken it to flu!
When people talk about personal responsibility I’m always reminded of this George Carlin quote
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
Taking all those points into consideration, how would you expect any government to address them,, other than a Wuhan style lockdown.
They can only give advice, most adults not looking for a political hit understood that advice
A coherent strategy and communication plan would be my first suggestion, along with not letting special advisers flout the rules. Everyone likes to think they are an individual who can’t be told what to do but in reality we are all driven by a desire to belong.
Had the government been transparent and set out why it was doing things, explaining that as the science changes so restrictions may change, then they would’ve had even greater adherence to restrictions than they had.
The government prioritised money over lives and were looking to use Covid as an opportunity to make cash rather than save the lives of its citizens. Admittedly they’ve since done a very good job of convincing the kind of people who don’t care about the lives of others that this was a good idea but imagine if they hadn’t needed to?
Also if they hadn’t made allowances for their rich pals to come in and out of the country and instead closed the borders that would’ve helped too.
You appear to be big into generalisations. So are you saying that you failed to understand the advice you were given, or are you suggesting that the general public were too stupid to understand the advice they were given.
If it's the former maybe its best not to transfer your failings onto the general public, if it's the latter, that appears to be contrary to the opinion of the behavioural experts on sage who acknowledge that the compliance by the population was a lot higher than they predicted.
Let's get specific.
Dominic Cummings did what any good father would do, in breaking the law.
Any good father would break the law.
Brilliant messaging. Top marks.
Cummings is and always will be an idiot who for some reason is lauded as a genius.
Did the rest of the population go out and flout the rules after his trip out, evidence points to no."Actually the evidence points to yes, the people stating they broke the rules after the Cummings debacle more than doubled. You seem to have difficulty comprehending that there is a difference between understanding advice and adhering to that advice, or new advice, in a changing situation. The most important thing for influencing public behaviour is to be clear and consistent, the government was not. Even those who seem to take some pride in being rule breakers will fall into line with the majority so long as they are not given an excuse not to, the government gave them more excuses than they could ever need. There’s no hugely complex dark art around influencing people, it’s relative simple in fact, because most people think they are beyond being influenced, you just have to do it right. Our government did not, and that’s because they think rules are for other people. Their arrogance and disdain for anybody who isn’t one of their public school educated moneyed elite cost tens of thousands of lives. | |||
"There is nothing to discuss, except that you obviously do not understand how covid is spread. It is not spread by the government but by individuals such as you and me. It is us that need to take precautions and avoid contact with other people, not the government, they simply send out alerts to the problem and recommend precautions, we have to put those precautions into action. Unless or until we all protect ourselves covid-19 will continue to be a threat. Take responsibility for yourself and don't try to blame governments. It’s the government’s responsibility to provide a clear message and guidance, that’s what leadership is. You cannot leave people to make up their own minds over such complex issues. People will always find a reason why it’s acceptable for them to do something, we will always justify it to ourselves. Personal responsibility is important but to say the government is not to blame for this absolute shambles is to completely misunderstand what leadership is, and what a government is there to do.You would have had to spend the last 18 months on the moon not to know how to try to avoid catching covid.
You would, yet lots of people, including very senior members of the government ignore the advice. Add to that the amount of Covid denial and anti-vaxx nonsense there is out there and you have ready made excuses for the people who basically want to be able to do what the fuck they want and not consider anyone but themselves.
There are even people, despite all the information out there about Covid, despite the 150,000 deaths, who liken it to flu!
When people talk about personal responsibility I’m always reminded of this George Carlin quote
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
Taking all those points into consideration, how would you expect any government to address them,, other than a Wuhan style lockdown.
They can only give advice, most adults not looking for a political hit understood that advice
A coherent strategy and communication plan would be my first suggestion, along with not letting special advisers flout the rules. Everyone likes to think they are an individual who can’t be told what to do but in reality we are all driven by a desire to belong.
Had the government been transparent and set out why it was doing things, explaining that as the science changes so restrictions may change, then they would’ve had even greater adherence to restrictions than they had.
The government prioritised money over lives and were looking to use Covid as an opportunity to make cash rather than save the lives of its citizens. Admittedly they’ve since done a very good job of convincing the kind of people who don’t care about the lives of others that this was a good idea but imagine if they hadn’t needed to?
Also if they hadn’t made allowances for their rich pals to come in and out of the country and instead closed the borders that would’ve helped too.
You appear to be big into generalisations. So are you saying that you failed to understand the advice you were given, or are you suggesting that the general public were too stupid to understand the advice they were given.
If it's the former maybe its best not to transfer your failings onto the general public, if it's the latter, that appears to be contrary to the opinion of the behavioural experts on sage who acknowledge that the compliance by the population was a lot higher than they predicted.
Let's get specific.
Dominic Cummings did what any good father would do, in breaking the law.
Any good father would break the law.
Brilliant messaging. Top marks.
Cummings is and always will be an idiot who for some reason is lauded as a genius.
Did the rest of the population go out and flout the rules after his trip out, evidence points to no.
Actually the evidence points to yes, the people stating they broke the rules after the Cummings debacle more than doubled.
You seem to have difficulty comprehending that there is a difference between understanding advice and adhering to that advice, or new advice, in a changing situation. The most important thing for influencing public behaviour is to be clear and consistent, the government was not.
Even those who seem to take some pride in being rule breakers will fall into line with the majority so long as they are not given an excuse not to, the government gave them more excuses than they could ever need.
There’s no hugely complex dark art around influencing people, it’s relative simple in fact, because most people think they are beyond being influenced, you just have to do it right. Our government did not, and that’s because they think rules are for other people.
Their arrogance and disdain for anybody who isn’t one of their public school educated moneyed elite cost tens of thousands of lives."
Not cancelling Christmas - cancelled Christmas. January spike
All the arguing about masks and ministers saying they'd throw theirs away from July 19, and Boris walking it back.
The deleted tweet from Javid saying that we shouldn't "cower" from the virus, which survivors and family members of those who died objected to.
Take it on the chin.
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"Okay I’ll go back to my golden rule of not arguing with random strangers on the internet." Don’t think of it as losing an argument, think of it as learning something new.  | |||
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"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum "It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic. You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are."i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that | |||
"Okay I’ll go back to my golden rule of not arguing with random strangers on the internet. Don’t think of it as losing an argument, think of it as learning something new. "The fact you think I thought I lost goes to show you arrogance. The fact you tried to claim I didn’t understand goes to show your arrogance. So I’ll leave you to your arrogance. | |||
"Okay I’ll go back to my golden rule of not arguing with random strangers on the internet. Don’t think of it as losing an argument, think of it as learning something new.
The fact you think I thought I lost goes to show you arrogance. The fact you tried to claim I didn’t understand goes to show your arrogance.
So I’ll leave you to your arrogance."The fact you don’t realise you did is Dunning Krueger in full effect. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are."oh by the way i dont need to understand anything i sussed out. About 25 years ago there all full of shit,hence why i dont go along with the charade of voting. Thinking uour actually making a difference, | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that"So... like in Mad Max? | |||
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"I love Corona. Makes life more interesting and always something to talk about!" Huh? | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? "survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you"So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die? | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?"The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude."the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility, | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,"Like I said, I’m alright Jack and sod the rest. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,"Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Like I said, I’m alright Jack and sod the rest."yep randon strangers i dont know,whats wrong with that? Your wanting a society that has never existed.most humans are selfish animals all ways have been and all ways will be, | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Like I said, I’m alright Jack and sod the rest.yep randon strangers i dont know,whats wrong with that? Your wanting a society that has never existed.most humans are selfish animals all ways have been and all ways will be,"But it has and does exist we are all reliant on strangers at 1 time or another. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Like I said, I’m alright Jack and sod the rest.yep randon strangers i dont know,whats wrong with that? Your wanting a society that has never existed.most humans are selfish animals all ways have been and all ways will be,"The existence of societies disproves your theory, as all rely on collective responsibility. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Like I said, I’m alright Jack and sod the rest.yep randon strangers i dont know,whats wrong with that? Your wanting a society that has never existed.most humans are selfish animals all ways have been and all ways will be,"Can I not be put in the most line please. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. "ive never asked strangers for help and never will,i find most people never do anything totaly out the good of there hearts,there is usualy an angle somewhere along the line be that wanting something in return or the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them inside,nothing in this life is free with no strings attached | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. ive never asked strangers for help and never will,i find most people never do anything totaly out the good of there hearts,there is usualy an angle somewhere along the line be that wanting something in return or the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them inside,nothing in this life is free with no strings attached"That's a very sad way of looking at things. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. ive never asked strangers for help and never will,i find most people never do anything totaly out the good of there hearts,there is usualy an angle somewhere along the line be that wanting something in return or the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them inside,nothing in this life is free with no strings attached
That's a very sad way of looking at things. "nah that just being nearly fifty years old,oh i had a lot of the same views you have up until my mid 30s go back over the last 70 years its mainly those under 30 who think they are gona change the world,by the time most people have hit there 40s the penny drops that its best not to rely on other people | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. ive never asked strangers for help and never will,i find most people never do anything totaly out the good of there hearts,there is usualy an angle somewhere along the line be that wanting something in return or the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them inside,nothing in this life is free with no strings attached
That's a very sad way of looking at things. nah that just being nearly fifty years old,oh i had a lot of the same views you have up until my mid 30s go back over the last 70 years its mainly those under 30 who think they are gona change the world,by the time most people have hit there 40s the penny drops that its best not to rely on other people"I'm nearly 40 and I don't agree with you. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. ive never asked strangers for help and never will,i find most people never do anything totaly out the good of there hearts,there is usualy an angle somewhere along the line be that wanting something in return or the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them inside,nothing in this life is free with no strings attached
That's a very sad way of looking at things. nah that just being nearly fifty years old,oh i had a lot of the same views you have up until my mid 30s go back over the last 70 years its mainly those under 30 who think they are gona change the world,by the time most people have hit there 40s the penny drops that its best not to rely on other people
I'm nearly 40 and I don't agree with you. "if you read what i said i said most not all,there will always be those that will hold onto those idealistic views about a fair society, | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Like I said, I’m alright Jack and sod the rest.yep randon strangers i dont know,whats wrong with that? Your wanting a society that has never existed.most humans are selfish animals all ways have been and all ways will be,"Humans are intrinsically social animals, the very reason we survived instead of Neanderthals and the like is because we relied on and helped each other. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. ive never asked strangers for help and never will,i find most people never do anything totaly out the good of there hearts,there is usualy an angle somewhere along the line be that wanting something in return or the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them inside,nothing in this life is free with no strings attached"You need to stop projecting your own personality onto others. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. ive never asked strangers for help and never will,i find most people never do anything totaly out the good of there hearts,there is usualy an angle somewhere along the line be that wanting something in return or the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them inside,nothing in this life is free with no strings attached
That's a very sad way of looking at things. nah that just being nearly fifty years old,oh i had a lot of the same views you have up until my mid 30s go back over the last 70 years its mainly those under 30 who think they are gona change the world,by the time most people have hit there 40s the penny drops that its best not to rely on other people
I'm nearly 40 and I don't agree with you. if you read what i said i said most not all,there will always be those that will hold onto those idealistic views about a fair society,"If you do not believe in something you will fall for anything. | |||
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"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Like I said, I’m alright Jack and sod the rest.yep randon strangers i dont know,whats wrong with that? Your wanting a society that has never existed.most humans are selfish animals all ways have been and all ways will be,
Humans are intrinsically social animals, the very reason we survived instead of Neanderthals and the like is because we relied on and helped each other. " | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Like I said, I’m alright Jack and sod the rest.yep randon strangers i dont know,whats wrong with that? Your wanting a society that has never existed.most humans are selfish animals all ways have been and all ways will be,
Humans are intrinsically social animals, the very reason we survived instead of Neanderthals and the like is because we relied on and helped each other. "the reason we survived is because we were more intelligent and killed em all off,you know like the selfish animals we are,and we have been doing it to weaker people ever since,how you think we have such a comfy life in the west? By fucking over other people round the world who are weaker than us | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. ive never asked strangers for help and never will,i find most people never do anything totaly out the good of there hearts,there is usualy an angle somewhere along the line be that wanting something in return or the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them inside,nothing in this life is free with no strings attached
You need to stop projecting your own personality onto others."try that yourself pal,trying to talk down to people who dont agree with you | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Like I said, I’m alright Jack and sod the rest.yep randon strangers i dont know,whats wrong with that? Your wanting a society that has never existed.most humans are selfish animals all ways have been and all ways will be,
Humans are intrinsically social animals, the very reason we survived instead of Neanderthals and the like is because we relied on and helped each other. the reason we survived is because we were more intelligent and killed em all off,you know like the selfish animals we are,and we have been doing it to weaker people ever since,how you think we have such a comfy life in the west? By fucking over other people round the world who are weaker than us"WOW! That is a completely offensive comment to the thousands of people that lived away from their own families so they could care for people in care homes and keep them safe and in hospitals. It is also an insult to the millions of people that isolated themselves away from their families and friends to protect others. | |||
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"Offensive lol you really need to get out more" Did you not just commet and have a go at someone because you felt they were talking down to you for having a different opinion! | |||
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"Anyway im off now,gota get ready to meet up with a regular couple,you know what this site is actually for,see ya you beutifull people xx" Oh You mean talking to each other like a community does.
It's a good job these people weren't originally complete strangers on an Internet site who's decency you relied on isn't it;-) | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Like I said, I’m alright Jack and sod the rest.yep randon strangers i dont know,whats wrong with that? Your wanting a society that has never existed.most humans are selfish animals all ways have been and all ways will be,
Humans are intrinsically social animals, the very reason we survived instead of Neanderthals and the like is because we relied on and helped each other. the reason we survived is because we were more intelligent and killed em all off,you know like the selfish animals we are,and we have been doing it to weaker people ever since,how you think we have such a comfy life in the west? By fucking over other people round the world who are weaker than us"Nope, we weren’t more intelligent, we were weaker, slower and so we evolved to work together and look after each other. The hormone oxytocin makes us feel good when we look after others, or even just see an act of kindness. We literally evolved to look after each other. | |||
"Anyway im off now,gota get ready to meet up with a regular couple,you know what this site is actually for,see ya you beutifull people xx Oh You mean talking to each other like a community does.
It's a good job these people weren't originally complete strangers on an Internet site who's decency you relied on isn't it;-)"nah just mailed em as i liked there profile and pics and they liked what they saw so we met and fucked just like we doing tonite,but ive never asked for help from them or they from me and pretty sure it will stay that way,nothing to do with community they was looking for cock and liked the look of mine | |||
"Anyway im off now,gota get ready to meet up with a regular couple,you know what this site is actually for,see ya you beutifull people xx Oh You mean talking to each other like a community does.
It's a good job these people weren't originally complete strangers on an Internet site who's decency you relied on isn't it;-)nah just mailed em as i liked there profile and pics and they liked what they saw so we met and fucked just like we doing tonite,but ive never asked for help from them or they from me and pretty sure it will stay that way,nothing to do with community they was looking for cock and liked the look of mine"But you were reliant on them being decent people and treating you right. And yes it is about community. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. ive never asked strangers for help and never will,i find most people never do anything totaly out the good of there hearts,there is usualy an angle somewhere along the line be that wanting something in return or the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them inside,nothing in this life is free with no strings attached"So you've never used the NHS? After all, you couldn't trust those strangers to help you when you were in need. | |||
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"At the end of the day the Government did it's best with covid no one knew what was going to happen with it it was a new virus perhaps they should have lockdown sooner in March 2020 or even sooner than that but who knew." Wow. The mental gymnastics people will go through to support the Tories really is quite astounding. You have to wonder what Johnson would have to do to actually lose support from some people. -Matt | |||
"At the end of the day the Government did it's best with covid no one knew what was going to happen with it it was a new virus perhaps they should have lockdown sooner in March 2020 or even sooner than that but who knew. Wow. The mental gymnastics people will go through to support the Tories really is quite astounding. You have to wonder what Johnson would have to do to actually lose support from some people. -Matt" No people are just not as stupid to put this down to party politics If you really think any poltical party would of ddone alot better you are niave | |||
"We are all entitled to a chunk of the blame pie. Every single one of us has played a part in this pandemic willingly or not" I have this same feeling. | |||
"At the end of the day the Government did it's best with covid no one knew what was going to happen with it it was a new virus perhaps they should have lockdown sooner in March 2020 or even sooner than that but who knew. Wow. The mental gymnastics people will go through to support the Tories really is quite astounding. You have to wonder what Johnson would have to do to actually lose support from some people. -Matt" I know. So many trot out the whole "well nobody else coulda done better" line. They ignore the fact many countries around the world did better. They also ignore all the laziness, corruption and fuck ups exhibited by Johnson and his cronies. | |||
"At the end of the day the Government did it's best with covid no one knew what was going to happen with it it was a new virus perhaps they should have lockdown sooner in March 2020 or even sooner than that but who knew. Wow. The mental gymnastics people will go through to support the Tories really is quite astounding. You have to wonder what Johnson would have to do to actually lose support from some people. -Matt I know. So many trot out the whole "well nobody else coulda done better" line. They ignore the fact many countries around the world did better. They also ignore all the laziness, corruption and fuck ups exhibited by Johnson and his cronies." Other countries are not comparable. There are so many variables such as culture, population, density of population, overalll health of the population ect. We for example have some of the highest levels of obesity in the Europe | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. ive never asked strangers for help and never will,i find most people never do anything totaly out the good of there hearts,there is usualy an angle somewhere along the line be that wanting something in return or the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them inside,nothing in this life is free with no strings attached
So you've never used the NHS? After all, you couldn't trust those strangers to help you when you were in need."ah the old nhs chestnut,i will use it while i get charged for it through my earnings if the gov would like to leave me with more of my wages id happily pay private healthcare,until then i will use something i get charged for who wouldnt? | |||
"At the end of the day the Government did it's best with covid no one knew what was going to happen with it it was a new virus perhaps they should have lockdown sooner in March 2020 or even sooner than that but who knew. Wow. The mental gymnastics people will go through to support the Tories really is quite astounding. You have to wonder what Johnson would have to do to actually lose support from some people. -Matt I know. So many trot out the whole "well nobody else coulda done better" line. They ignore the fact many countries around the world did better. They also ignore all the laziness, corruption and fuck ups exhibited by Johnson and his cronies. Other countries are not comparable. There are so many variables such as culture, population, density of population, overalll health of the population ect. We for example have some of the highest levels of obesity in the Europe" You really do tie yourself up in knots trying to excuse the inexcusable. | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. ive never asked strangers for help and never will,i find most people never do anything totaly out the good of there hearts,there is usualy an angle somewhere along the line be that wanting something in return or the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them inside,nothing in this life is free with no strings attached
So you've never used the NHS? After all, you couldn't trust those strangers to help you when you were in need.ah the old nhs chestnut,i will use it while i get charged for it through my earnings if the gov would like to leave me with more of my wages id happily pay private healthcare,until then i will use something i get charged for who wouldnt?"But what happens if you lost your job and money? You wouldn't be paying taxes on earnings then. Would that mean you would no longer accept the kindness of those strangers at the NHS if you were at death's door? | |||
"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. ive never asked strangers for help and never will,i find most people never do anything totaly out the good of there hearts,there is usualy an angle somewhere along the line be that wanting something in return or the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them inside,nothing in this life is free with no strings attached
So you've never used the NHS? After all, you couldn't trust those strangers to help you when you were in need.ah the old nhs chestnut,i will use it while i get charged for it through my earnings if the gov would like to leave me with more of my wages id happily pay private healthcare,until then i will use something i get charged for who wouldnt?
But what happens if you lost your job and money? You wouldn't be paying taxes on earnings then. Would that mean you would no longer accept the kindness of those strangers at the NHS if you were at death's door? "He still has payed into the system via National Insurance beforehand Its not like the NHS is staffed by volunteers. I wonder how many of them would carry on without being payed and from the kindness of their hearts | |||
Then, tragically, he contracts terminal guffing. Knowing he needs it seen to ASAP, he gets to an NHS hospital. When he tells them he has no job or earnings, they look into his former payments. While he has indeed paid his taxes, his previous visit to the NHS for a penis enlargment procedure cost exactly what he's paid in.
So the only way he can new get a medical plug inserted to stop his terminal guffing is to accept a procedure he's paid no money towards. Something he absolutely doesn't wanna do due to his rigid principles.
Whatever should he do? | |||
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"Ah another tory bashing thread lol shouldnt this be in politics forum
It’s a government bashing thread, because the government made such a terrible job interview f deal with the pandemic.
You really need to understand that politics isn’t like football, you don’t have to support one party for your whole life, regardless of how awful they are.i dont support none of them,id rather there was as little goverment as possible,survival of the fittest and all that
So... like in Mad Max? survival of the fittest as in if you cant take care of yourself dont expect everyone else to do it for you
So if you get ill or end up broke, you just die?
The I’m alright Jack and sod the rest attitude.the look after yourself attitude actualy,apart from family and friends random strangers aint my responsibility,
Let's hope you never need the kindness of strangers. ive never asked strangers for help and never will,i find most people never do anything totaly out the good of there hearts,there is usualy an angle somewhere along the line be that wanting something in return or the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them inside,nothing in this life is free with no strings attached
So you've never used the NHS? After all, you couldn't trust those strangers to help you when you were in need.ah the old nhs chestnut,i will use it while i get charged for it through my earnings if the gov would like to leave me with more of my wages id happily pay private healthcare,until then i will use something i get charged for who wouldnt?
But what happens if you lost your job and money? You wouldn't be paying taxes on earnings then. Would that mean you would no longer accept the kindness of those strangers at the NHS if you were at death's door? "kindness lol there paid to do a job there not doing it for free and seems as i been paying in since i was 18 i reackon im coverd for a few years yet mate, | |||
"OK here's a perfectly sensible example for a chap we can call festy. He's worked hard and paid his taxes for years. But then, sadly, he loses his job at the inflatable doll factory. He's laid off and can't get work elsewhere
Then, tragically, he contracts terminal guffing. Knowing he needs it seen to ASAP, he gets to an NHS hospital. When he tells them he has no job or earnings, they look into his former payments. While he has indeed paid his taxes, his previous visit to the NHS for a penis enlargment procedure cost exactly what he's paid in.
So the only way he can new get a medical plug inserted to stop his terminal guffing is to accept a procedure he's paid no money towards. Something he absolutely doesn't wanna do due to his rigid principles.
Whatever should he do? "previous visits? Yet to need hospital,but basically your agreeing with me if you dont pay your way you shouldnt be helped,and seems as i have paidin im entitled to help.lazy arse fuckers who havent paid in should not be,thanks for agreeing with me | |||
"OK here's a perfectly sensible example for a chap we can call festy. He's worked hard and paid his taxes for years. But then, sadly, he loses his job at the inflatable doll factory. He's laid off and can't get work elsewhere
Then, tragically, he contracts terminal guffing. Knowing he needs it seen to ASAP, he gets to an NHS hospital. When he tells them he has no job or earnings, they look into his former payments. While he has indeed paid his taxes, his previous visit to the NHS for a penis enlargment procedure cost exactly what he's paid in.
So the only way he can new get a medical plug inserted to stop his terminal guffing is to accept a procedure he's paid no money towards. Something he absolutely doesn't wanna do due to his rigid principles.
Whatever should he do? previous visits? Yet to need hospital,but basically your agreeing with me if you dont pay your way you shouldnt be helped,and seems as i have paidin im entitled to help.lazy arse fuckers who havent paid in should not be,thanks for agreeing with me "Children? Disabled? Ex-service with PTSD? The list is not exhaustive of those who haven't paid in, or may have used their quota of money they did pay in. Should treatment be refused or stopped? | |||
"OK here's a perfectly sensible example for a chap we can call festy. He's worked hard and paid his taxes for years. But then, sadly, he loses his job at the inflatable doll factory. He's laid off and can't get work elsewhere
Then, tragically, he contracts terminal guffing. Knowing he needs it seen to ASAP, he gets to an NHS hospital. When he tells them he has no job or earnings, they look into his former payments. While he has indeed paid his taxes, his previous visit to the NHS for a penis enlargment procedure cost exactly what he's paid in.
So the only way he can new get a medical plug inserted to stop his terminal guffing is to accept a procedure he's paid no money towards. Something he absolutely doesn't wanna do due to his rigid principles.
Whatever should he do? previous visits? Yet to need hospital,but basically your agreeing with me if you dont pay your way you shouldnt be helped,and seems as i have paidin im entitled to help.lazy arse fuckers who havent paid in should not be,thanks for agreeing with me
Children? Disabled? Ex-service with PTSD? The list is not exhaustive of those who haven't paid in, or may have used their quota of money they did pay in. Should treatment be refused or stopped? "in a survival of the fittest world yes apart from children as there. Exempt from aying in till there 18.the world needs a lot less people in it | |||
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"OK here's a perfectly sensible example for a chap we can call festy. He's worked hard and paid his taxes for years. But then, sadly, he loses his job at the inflatable doll factory. He's laid off and can't get work elsewhere
Then, tragically, he contracts terminal guffing. Knowing he needs it seen to ASAP, he gets to an NHS hospital. When he tells them he has no job or earnings, they look into his former payments. While he has indeed paid his taxes, his previous visit to the NHS for a penis enlargment procedure cost exactly what he's paid in.
So the only way he can new get a medical plug inserted to stop his terminal guffing is to accept a procedure he's paid no money towards. Something he absolutely doesn't wanna do due to his rigid principles.
Whatever should he do? previous visits? Yet to need hospital,but basically your agreeing with me if you dont pay your way you shouldnt be helped,and seems as i have paidin im entitled to help.lazy arse fuckers who havent paid in should not be,thanks for agreeing with me "Oh I think people who need help should get help. You're the 1 who thinks people shouldn't get what they haven't paid for, no matter how much they need it. So in the above case, Mr Festy would not have paid enough to cover the medical plug he needs to stop his terminal guffing. (Since he got that expensive penis enlargment priously. That ate up all previous contributions he had made) Are you really saying he should simply die instead of accepting help he hasn't paid for? It would be a very stinky death, what with all that guffing. | |||
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"If you have cancer treatment on the NHS then you have already got more out than you have ever paid in." Yep the fully loaded costs of NHS treatments are.. A lot higher than many people would imagine. | |||
"If you have cancer treatment on the NHS then you have already got more out than you have ever paid in. Yep the fully loaded costs of NHS treatments are.. A lot higher than many people would imagine. " And of course private healthcare companies are VERY selective about the type of procedures and patients they are willing to take on. Complex procedures with long recovery snd rehab requirements do not make money so they simply don’t do them. | |||
"If you have cancer treatment on the NHS then you have already got more out than you have ever paid in." It's even more expensive to treat the terminal guffing my imaginary chap had. | |||
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"Next time I see my GP I'm definitely going to say "Doctor, I think I might be suffering from Guffing syndrome, I'm worried that it could be terminal" " | |||
"If you have cancer treatment on the NHS then you have already got more out than you have ever paid in." like i said ive not needed the nhs yet so im well in the black money wise,must say though im very surprised your still flogging this dead horse,havehad a meet this weekend and a nite out last nite and i come back here and your stil witterfing on lol,u need to really get out more people | |||
"If you have cancer treatment on the NHS then you have already got more out than you have ever paid in. Yep the fully loaded costs of NHS treatments are.. A lot higher than many people would imagine. And of course private healthcare companies are VERY selective about the type of procedures and patients they are willing to take on. Complex procedures with long recovery snd rehab requirements do not make money so they simply don’t do them." Yes they do. After the initial treatment the patient is transferred to another privately-run rehabilitation unit. You can pay for private treatment at an NHS hospital if you like, and your physio/rehab will be private as well, and you will pay for that. Maybe you did not realise that NHS hospitals are now run independently, as businesses? | |||
"If you have cancer treatment on the NHS then you have already got more out than you have ever paid in. Yep the fully loaded costs of NHS treatments are.. A lot higher than many people would imagine. And of course private healthcare companies are VERY selective about the type of procedures and patients they are willing to take on. Complex procedures with long recovery snd rehab requirements do not make money so they simply don’t do them. Yes they do. After the initial treatment the patient is transferred to another privately-run rehabilitation unit. You can pay for private treatment at an NHS hospital if you like, and your physio/rehab will be private as well, and you will pay for that. Maybe you did not realise that NHS hospitals are now run independently, as businesses?" Oh I think I probably know a lot more than you about how hospitals and private healthcare is run. The aftermath of private treatment is seen daily at most NHS hospitals. | |||
