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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem" Not everyone who declines is an antivaxxer. Some have medical exemption, some are hesitant and seeking advice. It’s not always black and white. | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem" Well firstly...i think you need to look at the numbers in a bit more detail to see percentages who have and have not had 2 jabs.. and second... Not everyone who isn't yet jabbed is "anti vax"... And thirdly... Stop stirring it! | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Not everyone who declines is an antivaxxer. Some have medical exemption, some are hesitant and seeking advice. It’s not always black and white." Yes exactly,so that maybe leaves just 10% that are actually against the vaccine | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem" Maybe they’re waiting till the incentives increase? Some folk will do anything for a speedboat | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Maybe they’re waiting till the incentives increase? Some folk will do anything for a speedboat " Yes just burgers at the moment,fine wine a cheese by October. | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Maybe they’re waiting till the incentives increase? Some folk will do anything for a speedboat " I might consider it for a speedboat  | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem" Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Not everyone who declines is an antivaxxer. Some have medical exemption, some are hesitant and seeking advice. It’s not always black and white." Easier to label though. Labelling seems a bit of a theme today  | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. " I agree totally | |||
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"I've seen that having a family member get really ill with Covid (or dying) cures most anti-vaxxers "I know people who have died in car accident's but I still drive Life comes with risk | |||
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" So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. " I very often judge people whose behaviour could kill me or people I know. I'm funny like that. Let's look at these points which you say don't mean those people don't have a problem. They could be easily swayed by propaganda. That IS a problem. They may be scared of needles. Oh diddums! So was I until I had to have injections every fifteen minutes. It was that or dying, so I got used to them. And someone being afraid of a jab gives them the right to kill me? No, it doesn't. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. Dying of Covid is a nasty side effect of NOT having the vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. Ok, so they're deluded selfish Pr**ks." Still no right to kill me. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. The biggest joke ever - some bloke down the pub whose mate used to work in an ambulance garage reckons all that medical research mate, all that's made-up, innit. Not a single one of these categories gives anyone the right to endanger my life. It is as simple as that. I'm not criticising you in any way whatsoever - there ARE people who think one or more of these things, which you've illustrated. But each one of them IS a problem, and has contributed to 150,000 funerals so far. | |||
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" So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. I very often judge people whose behaviour could kill me or people I know. I'm funny like that. Let's look at these points which you say don't mean those people don't have a problem. They could be easily swayed by propaganda. That IS a problem. They may be scared of needles. Oh diddums! So was I until I had to have injections every fifteen minutes. It was that or dying, so I got used to them. And someone being afraid of a jab gives them the right to kill me? No, it doesn't. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. Dying of Covid is a nasty side effect of NOT having the vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. Ok, so they're deluded selfish Pr**ks." Still no right to kill me. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. The biggest joke ever - some bloke down the pub whose mate used to work in an ambulance garage reckons all that medical research mate, all that's made-up, innit. Not a single one of these categories gives anyone the right to endanger my life. It is as simple as that. I'm not criticising you in any way whatsoever - there ARE people who think one or more of these things, which you've illustrated. But each one of them IS a problem, and has contributed to 150,000 funerals so far." Being melodramatic doesn’t give you the right to judge people who’ve made their choice based on whatever reasoning they’ve gone through to come to that decision. Kill you? FFS get a grip. Do you slag off all of the vaccinated people who pass on the virus too? Do you call them selfish for not STAYING AT HOME all day everyday because that’s truly the best prevention against spreading Covid. No because you have accepted that the risk that’s remaining after a vaccine is a low enough risk for you to accept, then you climb up onto your ridiculously high horse and try and tell people that the risk they feel to be an acceptable level (how do you know these people aren’t still socially distancing and wearing masks and limiting their excursions out?) makes them selfish. Because it doesn’t match your acceptable risk level? Honestly listen to yourself! | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Not everyone who declines is an antivaxxer. Some have medical exemption, some are hesitant and seeking advice. It’s not always black and white. Easier to label though. Labelling seems a bit of a theme today "oh yes thats the problem with the world too many judgemental people thats why we have problems with race gender etc why cant we all stop judging and get on with life while we can no one knows what is around the corner | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Not everyone who declines is an antivaxxer. Some have medical exemption, some are hesitant and seeking advice. It’s not always black and white. Yes exactly,so that maybe leaves just 10% that are actually against the vaccine" Sometimes it's just about who shouts the loudest | |||
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" So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. I very often judge people whose behaviour could kill me or people I know. I'm funny like that. Let's look at these points which you say don't mean those people don't have a problem. They could be easily swayed by propaganda. That IS a problem. They may be scared of needles. Oh diddums! So was I until I had to have injections every fifteen minutes. It was that or dying, so I got used to them. And someone being afraid of a jab gives them the right to kill me? No, it doesn't. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. Dying of Covid is a nasty side effect of NOT having the vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. Ok, so they're deluded selfish Pr**ks." Still no right to kill me. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. The biggest joke ever - some bloke down the pub whose mate used to work in an ambulance garage reckons all that medical research mate, all that's made-up, innit. Not a single one of these categories gives anyone the right to endanger my life. It is as simple as that. I'm not criticising you in any way whatsoever - there ARE people who think one or more of these things, which you've illustrated. But each one of them IS a problem, and has contributed to 150,000 funerals so far." This has bought out the hysteria in many people. So many wonderfully aggressive posts on here. There are many things that are killing people, and many ways of catching covid from people who are double jabbed. Let's be honest... With so many people now vaxxed... And so many infections its crystal clear that we are more than capable of spreading it and catching it even with the double jab.i caught it a month ago. Most likely from someone who was jabbed. (given that 4 times more adults are jabbed than not jabbed). Jabs aren't perfect. People aren't perfect. | |||
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" So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. I very often judge people whose behaviour could kill me or people I know. I'm funny like that. Let's look at these points which you say don't mean those people don't have a problem. They could be easily swayed by propaganda. That IS a problem. They may be scared of needles. Oh diddums! So was I until I had to have injections every fifteen minutes. It was that or dying, so I got used to them. And someone being afraid of a jab gives them the right to kill me? No, it doesn't. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. Dying of Covid is a nasty side effect of NOT having the vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. Ok, so they're deluded selfish Pr**ks." Still no right to kill me. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. The biggest joke ever - some bloke down the pub whose mate used to work in an ambulance garage reckons all that medical research mate, all that's made-up, innit. Not a single one of these categories gives anyone the right to endanger my life. It is as simple as that. I'm not criticising you in any way whatsoever - there ARE people who think one or more of these things, which you've illustrated. But each one of them IS a problem, and has contributed to 150,000 funerals so far. Being melodramatic doesn’t give you the right to judge people who’ve made their choice based on whatever reasoning they’ve gone through to come to that decision. Kill you? FFS get a grip. Do you slag off all of the vaccinated people who pass on the virus too? Do you call them selfish for not STAYING AT HOME all day everyday because that’s truly the best prevention against spreading Covid. No because you have accepted that the risk that’s remaining after a vaccine is a low enough risk for you to accept, then you climb up onto your ridiculously high horse and try and tell people that the risk they feel to be an acceptable level (how do you know these people aren’t still socially distancing and wearing masks and limiting their excursions out?) makes them selfish. Because it doesn’t match your acceptable risk level? Honestly listen to yourself! "  | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Maybe they’re waiting till the incentives increase? Some folk will do anything for a speedboat I might consider it for a speedboat "More of a motorboater myself | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Maybe they’re waiting till the incentives increase? Some folk will do anything for a speedboat " Yes since Bullseye ended the chances of winning a speedboat have diminished.  | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem" This is the statistic for double-jabbed. Many people below the age of 30 are still waiting for their second jab, us included. We have friends in South Manchester who are a few years older and have been double jabbed for a month now. Whereas we live in a poorer area with a generally older population, so we had to wait significantly longer to be offered our first jab. Socioeconomic factors are always a key reason behind access to healthcare and the vaccine is no different. Just look at how some economically deprived countries don't have access to the vaccine in the same way we do. It's because wealthier nations have stockpiled early, reducing access to 0 for countries like Chad in the process. | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Not everyone who declines is an antivaxxer. Some have medical exemption, some are hesitant and seeking advice. It’s not always black and white." This and also one shouldnt believe all the figures that comes from the narrative, that comes from the mainstream media | |||
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" So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. I very often judge people whose behaviour could kill me or people I know. I'm funny like that. Let's look at these points which you say don't mean those people don't have a problem. They could be easily swayed by propaganda. That IS a problem. They may be scared of needles. Oh diddums! So was I until I had to have injections every fifteen minutes. It was that or dying, so I got used to them. And someone being afraid of a jab gives them the right to kill me? No, it doesn't. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. Dying of Covid is a nasty side effect of NOT having the vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. Ok, so they're deluded selfish Pr**ks." Still no right to kill me. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. The biggest joke ever - some bloke down the pub whose mate used to work in an ambulance garage reckons all that medical research mate, all that's made-up, innit. Not a single one of these categories gives anyone the right to endanger my life. It is as simple as that. I'm not criticising you in any way whatsoever - there ARE people who think one or more of these things, which you've illustrated. But each one of them IS a problem, and has contributed to 150,000 funerals so far." You do realise that we’ve been killing the clinically vulnerable for years by breathing on them with our germs. I assume then that as not to kill them, you stay at home yeah? Because there isn’t only covid that has killed people. I hope they even pre-covid you wore a mask and socially distanced as you know, you could kill them? You also realise that vaccinated people can still kill you? | |||
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" So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. I very often judge people whose behaviour could kill me or people I know. I'm funny like that. Let's look at these points which you say don't mean those people don't have a problem. They could be easily swayed by propaganda. That IS a problem. They may be scared of needles. Oh diddums! So was I until I had to have injections every fifteen minutes. It was that or dying, so I got used to them. And someone being afraid of a jab gives them the right to kill me? No, it doesn't. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. Dying of Covid is a nasty side effect of NOT having the vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. Ok, so they're deluded selfish Pr**ks." Still no right to kill me. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. The biggest joke ever - some bloke down the pub whose mate used to work in an ambulance garage reckons all that medical research mate, all that's made-up, innit. Not a single one of these categories gives anyone the right to endanger my life. It is as simple as that. I'm not criticising you in any way whatsoever - there ARE people who think one or more of these things, which you've illustrated. But each one of them IS a problem, and has contributed to 150,000 funerals so far. You do realise that we’ve been killing the clinically vulnerable for years by breathing on them with our germs. I assume then that as not to kill them, you stay at home yeah? Because there isn’t only covid that has killed people. I hope they even pre-covid you wore a mask and socially distanced as you know, you could kill them? You also realise that vaccinated people can still kill you? " People don't think about that, nor do they really care In fact, they only developed this 'compassion' for the community once they thought they're neck was on the line Odd, that | |||
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"The fact that most people have had the vaccine doesn't mean that the vaccine is right" The pseudoscientific conspiracy theories aren't right either. There's this common misconception amongst people who believe in conspiracy theories that if wider society agrees on something it's only because they're 'sheep' following the crowd, and therefore incapable of independent thought. A conspiracy theory relies on people believing they're right when everyone else is wrong and often these people suffer from mental health issues are simply aren't very bright. There's a strong correlation between the confidence in one's intelligence and the perception of how much knowledge/skill it requires to do something, and a lack of intelligence. | |||
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"The fact that most people have had the vaccine doesn't mean that the vaccine is right The pseudoscientific conspiracy theories aren't right either. There's this common misconception amongst people who believe in conspiracy theories that if wider society agrees on something it's only because they're 'sheep' following the crowd, and therefore incapable of independent thought. A conspiracy theory relies on people believing they're right when everyone else is wrong and often these people suffer from mental health issues are simply aren't very bright. There's a strong correlation between the confidence in one's intelligence and the perception of how much knowledge/skill it requires to do something, and a lack of intelligence." Load of crap | |||
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"The fact that most people have had the vaccine doesn't mean that the vaccine is right The pseudoscientific conspiracy theories aren't right either. There's this common misconception amongst people who believe in conspiracy theories that if wider society agrees on something it's only because they're 'sheep' following the crowd, and therefore incapable of independent thought. A conspiracy theory relies on people believing they're right when everyone else is wrong and often these people suffer from mental health issues are simply aren't very bright. There's a strong correlation between the confidence in one's intelligence and the perception of how much knowledge/skill it requires to do something, and a lack of intelligence." Yup. Smart people know that they don't know everything, they question themselves, they question their sources, they are open to re-evaluating their position when new evidence comes to light. Dumb people know that they are right, they totally believe in their own knowledge of FACTS, they totally believe their special sources, if new evidence comes to light they declare it to be fake. | |||
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" So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. I very often judge people whose behaviour could kill me or people I know. I'm funny like that. Let's look at these points which you say don't mean those people don't have a problem. They could be easily swayed by propaganda. That IS a problem. They may be scared of needles. Oh diddums! So was I until I had to have injections every fifteen minutes. It was that or dying, so I got used to them. And someone being afraid of a jab gives them the right to kill me? No, it doesn't. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. Dying of Covid is a nasty side effect of NOT having the vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. Ok, so they're deluded selfish Pr**ks." Still no right to kill me. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. The biggest joke ever - some bloke down the pub whose mate used to work in an ambulance garage reckons all that medical research mate, all that's made-up, innit. Not a single one of these categories gives anyone the right to endanger my life. It is as simple as that. I'm not criticising you in any way whatsoever - there ARE people who think one or more of these things, which you've illustrated. But each one of them IS a problem, and has contributed to 150,000 funerals so far." If you're that concerned about the situation, why don't you stay completely in isolation and then there's no risk to you? | |||
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" So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. I very often judge people whose behaviour could kill me or people I know. I'm funny like that. Let's look at these points which you say don't mean those people don't have a problem. They could be easily swayed by propaganda. That IS a problem. They may be scared of needles. Oh diddums! So was I until I had to have injections every fifteen minutes. It was that or dying, so I got used to them. And someone being afraid of a jab gives them the right to kill me? No, it doesn't. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. Dying of Covid is a nasty side effect of NOT having the vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. Ok, so they're deluded selfish Pr**ks." Still no right to kill me. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. The biggest joke ever - some bloke down the pub whose mate used to work in an ambulance garage reckons all that medical research mate, all that's made-up, innit. Not a single one of these categories gives anyone the right to endanger my life. It is as simple as that. I'm not criticising you in any way whatsoever - there ARE people who think one or more of these things, which you've illustrated. But each one of them IS a problem, and has contributed to 150,000 funerals so far. Being melodramatic doesn’t give you the right to judge people who’ve made their choice based on whatever reasoning they’ve gone through to come to that decision. Kill you? FFS get a grip. Do you slag off all of the vaccinated people who pass on the virus too? Do you call them selfish for not STAYING AT HOME all day everyday because that’s truly the best prevention against spreading Covid. No because you have accepted that the risk that’s remaining after a vaccine is a low enough risk for you to accept, then you climb up onto your ridiculously high horse and try and tell people that the risk they feel to be an acceptable level (how do you know these people aren’t still socially distancing and wearing masks and limiting their excursions out?) makes them selfish. Because it doesn’t match your acceptable risk level? Honestly listen to yourself! " Drops the mic and walks off the stage | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Maybe they’re waiting till the incentives increase? Some folk will do anything for a speedboat Yes just burgers at the moment,fine wine a cheese by October. " Yes Waiting for 3 pieces of free pizza instead of two | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Not everyone who declines is an antivaxxer. Some have medical exemption, some are hesitant and seeking advice. It’s not always black and white. Easier to label though. Labelling seems a bit of a theme today "It allways has been. We seem to be great at labelling and putting other people into groups. Going right back in history. | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Not everyone who declines is an antivaxxer. Some have medical exemption, some are hesitant and seeking advice. It’s not always black and white. Easier to label though. Labelling seems a bit of a theme today
It allways has been. We seem to be great at labelling and putting other people into groups. Going right back in history. "Yes Germany 1939 springs to mind | |||
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"The fact that most people have had the vaccine doesn't mean that the vaccine is right The pseudoscientific conspiracy theories aren't right either. There's this common misconception amongst people who believe in conspiracy theories that if wider society agrees on something it's only because they're 'sheep' following the crowd, and therefore incapable of independent thought. A conspiracy theory relies on people believing they're right when everyone else is wrong and often these people suffer from mental health issues are simply aren't very bright. There's a strong correlation between the confidence in one's intelligence and the perception of how much knowledge/skill it requires to do something, and a lack of intelligence. Load of crap" Gonna hazard a guess that you're one of the people we're talking about, judging by your well-evidenced, reasoned response. | |||
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"The fact that most people have had the vaccine doesn't mean that the vaccine is right The pseudoscientific conspiracy theories aren't right either. There's this common misconception amongst people who believe in conspiracy theories that if wider society agrees on something it's only because they're 'sheep' following the crowd, and therefore incapable of independent thought. A conspiracy theory relies on people believing they're right when everyone else is wrong and often these people suffer from mental health issues are simply aren't very bright. There's a strong correlation between the confidence in one's intelligence and the perception of how much knowledge/skill it requires to do something, and a lack of intelligence. Yup. Smart people know that they don't know everything, they question themselves, they question their sources, they are open to re-evaluating their position when new evidence comes to light. Dumb people know that they are right, they totally believe in their own knowledge of FACTS, they totally believe their special sources, if new evidence comes to light they declare it to be fake." (shhhhhhh, don't tell people about the Dunning-Kruger effect.) | |||
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"The fact that most people have had the vaccine doesn't mean that the vaccine is right The pseudoscientific conspiracy theories aren't right either. There's this common misconception amongst people who believe in conspiracy theories that if wider society agrees on something it's only because they're 'sheep' following the crowd, and therefore incapable of independent thought. A conspiracy theory relies on people believing they're right when everyone else is wrong and often these people suffer from mental health issues are simply aren't very bright. There's a strong correlation between the confidence in one's intelligence and the perception of how much knowledge/skill it requires to do something, and a lack of intelligence. Yup. Smart people know that they don't know everything, they question themselves, they question their sources, they are open to re-evaluating their position when new evidence comes to light. Dumb people know that they are right, they totally believe in their own knowledge of FACTS, they totally believe their special sources, if new evidence comes to light they declare it to be fake. (shhhhhhh, don't tell people about the Dunning-Kruger effect.)" Or the " my bro thinks he his a chicken " woody Allen joke | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. " And again showing you have no idea about science. Oh and while I’m here, I’ll have a Big Mac meal. | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Maybe they’re waiting till the incentives increase? Some folk will do anything for a speedboat Yes just burgers at the moment,fine wine a cheese by October. " Or some of that wacky backy stuff , that should do it | |||
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"The term “antivaxxer” seems to have been almost weaponised now to describe anyone who’s dares even question anything. There are instances where people may feel that they have legitimate reasons for being hesitant, may still be weighing up risks/benefits or may have medical exemptions. Also, is it not worth considering what causes some people to actually become an “antivaxxer”? While we are aware some people are vehemently against all vaccinations for various reasons, when it comes to the covid vaccine there are still people who simply “have doubts” or have not yet made a final decision, or have made a decision for what could be a very valid reason. Having a hostile attitude and verbally attacking people backs them into a corner, which is no place to make a logical decision. It certainly seems possible that this mindset could actually breed more of your typical “antivaxxers” who take on a more and more cynical outlook. Attempting to convince someone to your way of thinking with condescension and hostility is unlikely to ever work in your favour, and is something that applies to everything really but is currently very relevant. People who haven’t made their minds up, or simply don’t want it are nowhere near as “dangerous” as they are sometimes made out to be. However, there is always the potential for them become so if constantly pushed. Branding anyone and everyone as an “antivaxxer” is a far bigger problem than stereotypically militant antivaxxers who are against any and all medical progress. " Well said. The minute theres a divergence in thought process and decision making the name calling starts and its becoming quite annoying. Vaccinations are clearly a divisive issue. I feel like you should be able to care for your fellow person (respect personal space, wash your hands, mask up, phone Nanna Dot etc) and also mind your own business (get the vaccine if you want it, get tested regularly if you can, be sensible about going out raving). Everything needs balance. We keep being told we have to live with covid and little by little its getting better. | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Maybe they’re waiting till the incentives increase? Some folk will do anything for a speedboat " Damn I would have held out for a speedboat if I’d have known! | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. And again showing you have no idea about science. Oh and while I’m here, I’ll have a Big Mac meal." The Atom bomb was thought up by a scientist. Science can be wrong history always tells the truth | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. And again showing you have no idea about science. Oh and while I’m here, I’ll have a Big Mac meal. The Atom bomb was thought up by a scientist. Science can be wrong history always tells the truth " Huh? | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. And again showing you have no idea about science. Oh and while I’m here, I’ll have a Big Mac meal. The Atom bomb was thought up by a scientist. Science can be wrong history always tells the truth " History tells the truth? Oh god I can't. The laughing. It hurts. Make it stop  | |||
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"The term “antivaxxer” seems to have been almost weaponised now to describe anyone who’s dares even question anything. " This, noone is allowed to question the covid narrative. | |||
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"Well we already know the results, the covid vaccines are some of the most dangerous ever released to the general public. In the uk it's over a million injuries. In the us they have had more injuries and deaths than all other vaccines combined for the past 20 years. " Maybe you should try to get paracetamol banned as well. Over 100 million people have died after taking this drug | |||
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" So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. I very often judge people whose behaviour could kill me or people I know. I'm funny like that. Let's look at these points which you say don't mean those people don't have a problem. They could be easily swayed by propaganda. That IS a problem. They may be scared of needles. Oh diddums! So was I until I had to have injections every fifteen minutes. It was that or dying, so I got used to them. And someone being afraid of a jab gives them the right to kill me? No, it doesn't. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. Dying of Covid is a nasty side effect of NOT having the vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. Ok, so they're deluded selfish Pr**ks." Still no right to kill me. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. The biggest joke ever - some bloke down the pub whose mate used to work in an ambulance garage reckons all that medical research mate, all that's made-up, innit. Not a single one of these categories gives anyone the right to endanger my life. It is as simple as that. I'm not criticising you in any way whatsoever - there ARE people who think one or more of these things, which you've illustrated. But each one of them IS a problem, and has contributed to 150,000 funerals so far." To be honest, extremist views like this frighten me far more than the current pandemic... Seems the nation is accelerating the full on conversion to fascism. Thought things were bad enough during Brexit but now people have even less shame in presenting their inner nazi to the world. Come on, wake up!! We're all in this together... compassion is what will get us through... not succumbing to tried and tested divide and rule "them-and-us" mentality https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/1918-flu-pandemic-boosted-support-for-the-nazis-fed-study-claims.html?fbclid=IwAR1YCdh0b5CvuAAhrS2-nZ8TB8CK-hMNNW63VYTz48Zbluvy2ykdaMRXfV History is bound to repeat it self for one reason only... people NEVER learn! | |||
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"Well we already know the results, the covid vaccines are some of the most dangerous ever released to the general public. In the uk it's over a million injuries. In the us they have had more injuries and deaths than all other vaccines combined for the past 20 years. Maybe you should try to get paracetamol banned as well. Over 100 million people have died after taking this drug "Try and buy more than 3 boxes at the supermarket yes it is dangerous the warnings on the box state it. | |||
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"The fact that most people have had the vaccine doesn't mean that the vaccine is right The pseudoscientific conspiracy theories aren't right either. There's this common misconception amongst people who believe in conspiracy theories that if wider society agrees on something it's only because they're 'sheep' following the crowd, and therefore incapable of independent thought. A conspiracy theory relies on people believing they're right when everyone else is wrong and often these people suffer from mental health issues are simply aren't very bright. There's a strong correlation between the confidence in one's intelligence and the perception of how much knowledge/skill it requires to do something, and a lack of intelligence." Do you believe that you are right and, by implication, that other people are wrong? So what is a conspiracy theorist then? | |||
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"Well we already know the results, the covid vaccines are some of the most dangerous ever released to the general public. In the uk it's over a million injuries. In the us they have had more injuries and deaths than all other vaccines combined for the past 20 years. Maybe you should try to get paracetamol banned as well. Over 100 million people have died after taking this drug
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"Well we already know the results, the covid vaccines are some of the most dangerous ever released to the general public. In the uk it's over a million injuries. In the us they have had more injuries and deaths than all other vaccines combined for the past 20 years. Maybe you should try to get paracetamol banned as well. Over 100 million people have died after taking this drug
Try and buy more than 3 boxes at the supermarket yes it is dangerous the warnings on the box state it.
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"I've seen that having a family member get really ill with Covid (or dying) cures most anti-vaxxers
I know people who have died in car accident's but I still drive
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" So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. I very often judge people whose behaviour could kill me or people I know. I'm funny like that. Let's look at these points which you say don't mean those people don't have a problem. They could be easily swayed by propaganda. That IS a problem. They may be scared of needles. Oh diddums! So was I until I had to have injections every fifteen minutes. It was that or dying, so I got used to them. And someone being afraid of a jab gives them the right to kill me? No, it doesn't. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. Dying of Covid is a nasty side effect of NOT having the vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. Ok, so they're deluded selfish Pr**ks." Still no right to kill me. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. The biggest joke ever - some bloke down the pub whose mate used to work in an ambulance garage reckons all that medical research mate, all that's made-up, innit. Not a single one of these categories gives anyone the right to endanger my life. It is as simple as that. I'm not criticising you in any way whatsoever - there ARE people who think one or more of these things, which you've illustrated. But each one of them IS a problem, and has contributed to 150,000 funerals so far. If you're that concerned about the situation, why don't you stay completely in isolation and then there's no risk to you? " And this is problem right here! | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then?" Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. | |||
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"Well we already know the results, the covid vaccines are some of the most dangerous ever released to the general public. In the uk it's over a million injuries. In the us they have had more injuries and deaths than all other vaccines combined for the past 20 years. Maybe you should try to get paracetamol banned as well. Over 100 million people have died after taking this drug
Try and buy more than 3 boxes at the supermarket yes it is dangerous the warnings on the box state it.
The drug on the supermarket shelves you mean? That also explicitly state the dose to be used.
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" So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. I very often judge people whose behaviour could kill me or people I know. I'm funny like that. Let's look at these points which you say don't mean those people don't have a problem. They could be easily swayed by propaganda. That IS a problem. They may be scared of needles. Oh diddums! So was I until I had to have injections every fifteen minutes. It was that or dying, so I got used to them. And someone being afraid of a jab gives them the right to kill me? No, it doesn't. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. Dying of Covid is a nasty side effect of NOT having the vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. Ok, so they're deluded selfish Pr**ks." Still no right to kill me. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. The biggest joke ever - some bloke down the pub whose mate used to work in an ambulance garage reckons all that medical research mate, all that's made-up, innit. Not a single one of these categories gives anyone the right to endanger my life. It is as simple as that. I'm not criticising you in any way whatsoever - there ARE people who think one or more of these things, which you've illustrated. But each one of them IS a problem, and has contributed to 150,000 funerals so far. Being melodramatic doesn’t give you the right to judge people who’ve made their choice based on whatever reasoning they’ve gone through to come to that decision. Kill you? FFS get a grip. Do you slag off all of the vaccinated people who pass on the virus too? Do you call them selfish for not STAYING AT HOME all day everyday because that’s truly the best prevention against spreading Covid. No because you have accepted that the risk that’s remaining after a vaccine is a low enough risk for you to accept, then you climb up onto your ridiculously high horse and try and tell people that the risk they feel to be an acceptable level (how do you know these people aren’t still socially distancing and wearing masks and limiting their excursions out?) makes them selfish. Because it doesn’t match your acceptable risk level? Honestly listen to yourself! Drops the mic and walks off the stage "Wait! What? There’s a stage??!!  | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. And again showing you have no idea about science. Oh and while I’m here, I’ll have a Big Mac meal. The Atom bomb was thought up by a scientist. Science can be wrong history always tells the truth " "A completely different area of science once thought up this bad thing. Science can be wrong and therefore Coronavirus vaccine bad. I smart." | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. " Maybe evidence that you're not aware of? | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Maybe evidence that you're not aware of?" You mean like Facebook memes and infowars? Or maybe some blogs known for peddling right-wing conspiracy theories? | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Maybe evidence that you're not aware of?" I'm yet to see anything compelling. A bunch of stuff being misread at best, and a lot of "authority can't be trusted what if bad things happen". And a lot of goal post shifting and saying that the vaccinated will regret it. | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Maybe evidence that you're not aware of? You mean like Facebook memes and infowars? Or maybe some blogs known for peddling right-wing conspiracy theories?" Do you read any blogs? If not, how can you assess claims and apparent evidence objectively? Do you just rely on the evidence brought forward by organisations like the BBC? How do you know that they are telling you all that you need to know? | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Maybe evidence that you're not aware of? I'm yet to see anything compelling. A bunch of stuff being misread at best, and a lot of "authority can't be trusted what if bad things happen". And a lot of goal post shifting and saying that the vaccinated will regret it." Did you know, for example, that Fauci ignored ADE warnings About mRNA? Or that the National Institutes of Health received a warning about ADE from drug consultants John Wiley And Sons in 2020? You were told about this by the BBC, right? | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Maybe evidence that you're not aware of? I'm yet to see anything compelling. A bunch of stuff being misread at best, and a lot of "authority can't be trusted what if bad things happen". And a lot of goal post shifting and saying that the vaccinated will regret it. Did you know, for example, that Fauci ignored ADE warnings About mRNA? Or that the National Institutes of Health received a warning about ADE from drug consultants John Wiley And Sons in 2020? You were told about this by the BBC, right?" Did you know I don't even have a television and certainly do not rely on the BBC? That the ADE concern was hypothetical when the vaccines were in their early development, the papers were discussed, and it hasn't come to pass? That there are sources other than the BBC and it's not only the self labelled "free thinkers" who do their own research? Did you know - you should do, you've seen me do it - I can look at original sources and assess them myself? CDC saying the PCR isn't fit for purpose (lol, nice try), WHO and PCR thresholds (hilarious misreading), the meaning of phase 4 trials and why they're not scary? Or did RT tell you that anyone who disagrees with you is a sheeple, and you just repeat it unthinkingly, like a mantra? "You are all individuals!" "Yes, we are all individuals!" | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Maybe evidence that you're not aware of? I'm yet to see anything compelling. A bunch of stuff being misread at best, and a lot of "authority can't be trusted what if bad things happen". And a lot of goal post shifting and saying that the vaccinated will regret it. Did you know, for example, that Fauci ignored ADE warnings About mRNA? Or that the National Institutes of Health received a warning about ADE from drug consultants John Wiley And Sons in 2020? You were told about this by the BBC, right? Did you know I don't even have a television and certainly do not rely on the BBC? That the ADE concern was hypothetical when the vaccines were in their early development, the papers were discussed, and it hasn't come to pass? That there are sources other than the BBC and it's not only the self labelled "free thinkers" who do their own research? Did you know - you should do, you've seen me do it - I can look at original sources and assess them myself? CDC saying the PCR isn't fit for purpose (lol, nice try), WHO and PCR thresholds (hilarious misreading), the meaning of phase 4 trials and why they're not scary? Or did RT tell you that anyone who disagrees with you is a sheeple, and you just repeat it unthinkingly, like a mantra? "You are all individuals!" "Yes, we are all individuals!"" RT? There you go again. Read my comment again. It was about how information flow to the general public is constricted so that people don't even become aware of the whole picture | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Maybe evidence that you're not aware of? You mean like Facebook memes and infowars? Or maybe some blogs known for peddling right-wing conspiracy theories? Do you read any blogs? If not, how can you assess claims and apparent evidence objectively? Do you just rely on the evidence brought forward by organisations like the BBC? How do you know that they are telling you all that you need to know?" Things written in blogs are not evidence. They are most often deluded ramblings badly copied from another blog. I have yet to see any compelling fact backed evidence that has been published by experts with real credentials and experience in relevant fields. If there were any such evidence, real scientists would be jumping all over it - there is nothing that scientists love more than proving their competitors are wrong. The nonsense being generated by fake covid cure salesmen and other types of conspiracy pushers is doing real damage. It costs the world millions of man hours of distraction from real science to keep up efforts to fact check and debunk this drivel. It costs real lives for every person that is sucked into the quagmire and becomes a vector for accelerating the spread of the disease. Society is currently being too appeasing, indulging these dangerous individuals in a time of crisis. Conspiracy theorism is not just a difference of opinion, it is a crime against society that is damaging lives and the future of the planet. | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Maybe evidence that you're not aware of? I'm yet to see anything compelling. A bunch of stuff being misread at best, and a lot of "authority can't be trusted what if bad things happen". And a lot of goal post shifting and saying that the vaccinated will regret it. Did you know, for example, that Fauci ignored ADE warnings About mRNA? Or that the National Institutes of Health received a warning about ADE from drug consultants John Wiley And Sons in 2020? You were told about this by the BBC, right? Did you know I don't even have a television and certainly do not rely on the BBC? That the ADE concern was hypothetical when the vaccines were in their early development, the papers were discussed, and it hasn't come to pass? That there are sources other than the BBC and it's not only the self labelled "free thinkers" who do their own research? Did you know - you should do, you've seen me do it - I can look at original sources and assess them myself? CDC saying the PCR isn't fit for purpose (lol, nice try), WHO and PCR thresholds (hilarious misreading), the meaning of phase 4 trials and why they're not scary? Or did RT tell you that anyone who disagrees with you is a sheeple, and you just repeat it unthinkingly, like a mantra? "You are all individuals!" "Yes, we are all individuals!" RT? There you go again. Read my comment again. It was about how information flow to the general public is constricted so that people don't even become aware of the whole picture" You asked me what I got from the BBC. The answer is nothing. Those who disagree with you are also able to engage in critical thinking and source analysis, and not be spoon fed. If you're not repeating lies from RT, please respect that others can also find their own sources and assess them independently. Particularly when you've seen us (me) do it. | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. " Conspiracy Theorist is a broadly known term used to discredit , disqualify and insult those who question the official narrative (brand them as sort of whacko). | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Conspiracy Theorist is a broadly known term used to discredit , disqualify and insult those who question the official narrative (brand them as sort of whacko). " By ‘question the official narrative’ you presumably mean ‘ignore available evidence in favour of blindly repeating half-understood misconceptions’. | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Maybe they’re waiting till the incentives increase? Some folk will do anything for a speedboat Yes just burgers at the moment,fine wine a cheese by October. Or some of that wacky backy stuff , that should do it " They have offered marijuana as an incentive in states that it's legal absolutely insane. Feels like look at the shiny distraction | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Conspiracy Theorist is a broadly known term used to discredit , disqualify and insult those who question the official narrative (brand them as sort of whacko). By ‘question the official narrative’ you presumably mean ‘ignore available evidence in favour of blindly repeating half-understood misconceptions’." Find a thing to object to. Dismiss all evidence in its favour as inadequate or corrupt. Accept all things against it as true, no matter how insane. When proven wrong, scream persecution or pretend you never said it. Never have consistency in argument. Declare yourself smarter than everyone else for this... cognitive pretzel. | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Conspiracy Theorist is a broadly known term used to discredit , disqualify and insult those who question the official narrative (brand them as sort of whacko). By ‘question the official narrative’ you presumably mean ‘ignore available evidence in favour of blindly repeating half-understood misconceptions’." By far I'd never say its ignorance of evidence I'd say its more finding the evidence that hasn't been reported by the mainstream media who have ties to the companies that provide the jabs so obviously they will not report the bad only the good not conspiracy it's true. Tbh I'd say blindly following the media after we all know how much they lie is very nieve well they lied about this and this but the vaccine is 100% factual especially with how much its pushed I mean this is for health yet alcohol kills 80,000 still being sold and tabacco kills around 140,000 a year and still being sold do they really care about our health | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Conspiracy Theorist is a broadly known term used to discredit , disqualify and insult those who question the official narrative (brand them as sort of whacko). By ‘question the official narrative’ you presumably mean ‘ignore available evidence in favour of blindly repeating half-understood misconceptions’. By far I'd never say its ignorance of evidence I'd say its more finding the evidence that hasn't been reported by the mainstream media who have ties to the companies that provide the jabs so obviously they will not report the bad only the good not conspiracy it's true. Tbh I'd say blindly following the media after we all know how much they lie is very nieve well they lied about this and this but the vaccine is 100% factual especially with how much its pushed I mean this is for health yet alcohol kills 80,000 still being sold and tabacco kills around 140,000 a year and still being sold do they really care about our health " But the people who d*unk and smoke know that they are slowly killing themselves and have a choice to keep going or stop. COVID-19 is not a choice | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem" The problem is that those who refuse the vaccine will most likely contract the disease,any will possibly end up in hospital and could be responsible for the death of those waiting on life-saving operations but hey ho it's your choice. | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Maybe evidence that you're not aware of? I'm yet to see anything compelling. A bunch of stuff being misread at best, and a lot of "authority can't be trusted what if bad things happen". And a lot of goal post shifting and saying that the vaccinated will regret it. Did you know, for example, that Fauci ignored ADE warnings About mRNA? Or that the National Institutes of Health received a warning about ADE from drug consultants John Wiley And Sons in 2020? You were told about this by the BBC, right? Did you know I don't even have a television and certainly do not rely on the BBC? That the ADE concern was hypothetical when the vaccines were in their early development, the papers were discussed, and it hasn't come to pass? That there are sources other than the BBC and it's not only the self labelled "free thinkers" who do their own research? Did you know - you should do, you've seen me do it - I can look at original sources and assess them myself? CDC saying the PCR isn't fit for purpose (lol, nice try), WHO and PCR thresholds (hilarious misreading), the meaning of phase 4 trials and why they're not scary? Or did RT tell you that anyone who disagrees with you is a sheeple, and you just repeat it unthinkingly, like a mantra? "You are all individuals!" "Yes, we are all individuals!" RT? There you go again. Read my comment again. It was about how information flow to the general public is constricted so that people don't even become aware of the whole picture You asked me what I got from the BBC. The answer is nothing. Those who disagree with you are also able to engage in critical thinking and source analysis, and not be spoon fed. If you're not repeating lies from RT, please respect that others can also find their own sources and assess them independently. Particularly when you've seen us (me) do it." Why do you pro-official explanation people assume that anyone who disagrees with them is getting information from allegedly dodgy sources? And yet their own source of information isn't dodgy? Absolutely ridiculous and arrogant | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Maybe evidence that you're not aware of? I'm yet to see anything compelling. A bunch of stuff being misread at best, and a lot of "authority can't be trusted what if bad things happen". And a lot of goal post shifting and saying that the vaccinated will regret it. Did you know, for example, that Fauci ignored ADE warnings About mRNA? Or that the National Institutes of Health received a warning about ADE from drug consultants John Wiley And Sons in 2020? You were told about this by the BBC, right? Did you know I don't even have a television and certainly do not rely on the BBC? That the ADE concern was hypothetical when the vaccines were in their early development, the papers were discussed, and it hasn't come to pass? That there are sources other than the BBC and it's not only the self labelled "free thinkers" who do their own research? Did you know - you should do, you've seen me do it - I can look at original sources and assess them myself? CDC saying the PCR isn't fit for purpose (lol, nice try), WHO and PCR thresholds (hilarious misreading), the meaning of phase 4 trials and why they're not scary? Or did RT tell you that anyone who disagrees with you is a sheeple, and you just repeat it unthinkingly, like a mantra? "You are all individuals!" "Yes, we are all individuals!" RT? There you go again. Read my comment again. It was about how information flow to the general public is constricted so that people don't even become aware of the whole picture You asked me what I got from the BBC. The answer is nothing. Those who disagree with you are also able to engage in critical thinking and source analysis, and not be spoon fed. If you're not repeating lies from RT, please respect that others can also find their own sources and assess them independently. Particularly when you've seen us (me) do it. Why do you pro-official explanation people assume that anyone who disagrees with them is getting information from allegedly dodgy sources? And yet their own source of information isn't dodgy? Absolutely ridiculous and arrogant" ... So, the same as you tell me to stop relying on the BBC? Is that not ridiculous and arrogant? Huh. Funny that. That was exactly my point. | |||
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"It's atrocious the enormous levels of pressure that has been made to generate antivax desire. Millions of posts on social media and sites generating hesitancy. Any pause or delays are opportunities for infection to kill. Not all unvaccinated are antivax but there are too many of them who have had their fears stoked by dubious elements, including enemy countries, to destabilise the UK. " What countries are you referring to? | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Conspiracy Theorist is a broadly known term used to discredit , disqualify and insult those who question the official narrative (brand them as sort of whacko). By ‘question the official narrative’ you presumably mean ‘ignore available evidence in favour of blindly repeating half-understood misconceptions’. By far I'd never say its ignorance of evidence I'd say its more finding the evidence that hasn't been reported by the mainstream media who have ties to the companies that provide the jabs so obviously they will not report the bad only the good not conspiracy it's true. Tbh I'd say blindly following the media after we all know how much they lie is very nieve well they lied about this and this but the vaccine is 100% factual especially with how much its pushed I mean this is for health yet alcohol kills 80,000 still being sold and tabacco kills around 140,000 a year and still being sold do they really care about our health But the people who d*unk and smoke know that they are slowly killing themselves and have a choice to keep going or stop. COVID-19 is not a choice "But that wasn't a main focus point just a example that we think the governments the answer and going to keep us safe yet there is so much evidence to the contrary that we blatantly ignore chemicals in food alcohol damage and copd from smoking if they really cared they would stop it or push it to get people to stop as you said there decision same as the vaccine second hand smoke kills do you rant at anyone with a fag? If no why rant at someone for there own choice to there own body I'm not vaccinated but i wear masks to protect me and other. I respect other people and there decision based upon the evidence they have personally been presented with that's the scientific approach adjust your views Based on the evidence provided. | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Conspiracy Theorist is a broadly known term used to discredit , disqualify and insult those who question the official narrative (brand them as sort of whacko). By ‘question the official narrative’ you presumably mean ‘ignore available evidence in favour of blindly repeating half-understood misconceptions’. By far I'd never say its ignorance of evidence I'd say its more finding the evidence that hasn't been reported by the mainstream media who have ties to the companies that provide the jabs so obviously they will not report the bad only the good not conspiracy it's true. Tbh I'd say blindly following the media after we all know how much they lie is very nieve well they lied about this and this but the vaccine is 100% factual especially with how much its pushed I mean this is for health yet alcohol kills 80,000 still being sold and tabacco kills around 140,000 a year and still being sold do they really care about our health But the people who d*unk and smoke know that they are slowly killing themselves and have a choice to keep going or stop. COVID-19 is not a choice
But that wasn't a main focus point just a example that we think the governments the answer and going to keep us safe yet there is so much evidence to the contrary that we blatantly ignore chemicals in food alcohol damage and copd from smoking if they really cared they would stop it or push it to get people to stop as you said there decision same as the vaccine second hand smoke kills do you rant at anyone with a fag? If no why rant at someone for there own choice to there own body I'm not vaccinated but i wear masks to protect me and other. I respect other people and there decision based upon the evidence they have personally been presented with that's the scientific approach adjust your views Based on the evidence provided. "The answer isn't either "the government" or "conspiracy theories". I'm usually labelled as being pro official narrative, and I think the government are a bunch of dangerous lying charlatans. I get my evidence from academics, in the main. (yes that comes with its own problems, but it's a "vaccines work" message that doesn't rely on BoZo the clown and his motley crew of corrupt incompetent liars) | |||
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"I haven't been jabbed. It's not due to scared it's due to the NHS web site says my nearest vaccine centres is 6-10 hours drive one way. Yes. Even tho I live right next to several. I have tried multiple post codes everything brings up the same results, but everyone else can get local, but me I have to drive that far. Hence why I don't plan on it anytime soon." There are occasional bizarre kinks in the NHS vaccine booking computer program. When I was making my booking, it first of all offered me a centre 6 miles away but I pressed the wrong key and had to restart the process. Second time, only 5 minutes later, it told me that there was nothing nearer than 50 miles away. I tried again the next day and managed to book for a centre only three miles away. Meanwhile a family member ignored the computer booking system entirely, rang their GP and ended up with a place five miles in the opposite direction but several weeks earlier. I suggest that you try again a couple of times through the website, then if it still cannot find you a place within a reasonable distance, see if you can phone your GP and explain the problem to them. Alternatively, check if there are any walk in vaccination centres near you. There are places where unvaccinated people of your age can just join the queue and get done immediately. | |||
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"This constant hostility to 'conspiracy theories'; is too often just hostility to open-minded inquiry. The origin of coronavirus? The effectiveness of masks? The accuracy of official stats? The accuracy of tests? All dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' initially" I'm open to evidence. Show the evidence. I've read countless papers and looked into any number of lines thrown up. I incorporate anything credible into my thinking. I've yet to see much that's credible. There's open minded, but there's also credulous. I'm the former not the latter. All things are weighed against the evidence. | |||
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"This constant hostility to 'conspiracy theories'; is too often just hostility to open-minded inquiry. The origin of coronavirus? The effectiveness of masks? The accuracy of official stats? The accuracy of tests? All dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' initially I'm open to evidence. Show the evidence. I've read countless papers and looked into any number of lines thrown up. I incorporate anything credible into my thinking. I've yet to see much that's credible. There's open minded, but there's also credulous. I'm the former not the latter. All things are weighed against the evidence." How do we know that it's not the people vwho back official statements that aren't the 'credulous' ones? After all, you won't be told much at all if you just rely on official sources | |||
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"This constant hostility to 'conspiracy theories'; is too often just hostility to open-minded inquiry. The origin of coronavirus? The effectiveness of masks? The accuracy of official stats? The accuracy of tests? All dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' initially I'm open to evidence. Show the evidence. I've read countless papers and looked into any number of lines thrown up. I incorporate anything credible into my thinking. I've yet to see much that's credible. There's open minded, but there's also credulous. I'm the former not the latter. All things are weighed against the evidence." It's the hypocrisy i can't stand, you need a double blind randomised trial for anything you say to be taken seriously... Wear a mask they work, you don't need trials, it's obvious, here's some science on why an n56 mask will work in a laboratory. And then there's the whole politicisation of the bloody virus and vaccines, left wing take everything and question nothing, right wing take nothing and question everything. Honestly it's enough to drive anybody bonkers | |||
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"This constant hostility to 'conspiracy theories'; is too often just hostility to open-minded inquiry. The origin of coronavirus? The effectiveness of masks? The accuracy of official stats? The accuracy of tests? All dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' initially I'm open to evidence. Show the evidence. I've read countless papers and looked into any number of lines thrown up. I incorporate anything credible into my thinking. I've yet to see much that's credible. There's open minded, but there's also credulous. I'm the former not the latter. All things are weighed against the evidence. How do we know that it's not the people vwho back official statements that aren't the 'credulous' ones? After all, you won't be told much at all if you just rely on official sources" Why do you assume that people are only relying on the official sources? I'm not, as I've said (and you appear to have ignored) many times now. Speaking only for myself, I go to source material where I can. Where I can't or I don't understand it, I listen to discussions of the source material. These discussions involve analysis of the data and what it means, statistical significance, meaning of it in broader context. I also look at the claims of the radical free thinkers. I listened to an interview with Tess Lawrie last week on ivermectin, for example (before YouTube took it down). I look up the data that people here claim shows that vaccines are terrible or PCR doesn't work or ivermectin/HCQ is a miracle. You've seen me do it. And yet you cling to the idea that I'm solely reliant on the official data, because I disagree with you. No. I find the quality of the data from these spheres poor. | |||
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"I've seen that having a family member get really ill with Covid (or dying) cures most anti-vaxxers
I know people who have died in car accident's but I still drive
Life comes with risk"It certainly does. However the comparison to covid is faulty. An average of 1,784 die annually from car accidents in the UK. Covid has killed 130,000 in the same period. | |||
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"I've seen that having a family member get really ill with Covid (or dying) cures most anti-vaxxers
I know people who have died in car accident's but I still drive
Life comes with risk
It certainly does. However the comparison to covid is faulty. An average of 1,784 die annually from car accidents in the UK. Covid has killed 130,000 in the same period.
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"I've seen that having a family member get really ill with Covid (or dying) cures most anti-vaxxers
I know people who have died in car accident's but I still drive
Life comes with risk
It certainly does. However the comparison to covid is faulty. An average of 1,784 die annually from car accidents in the UK. Covid has killed 130,000 in the same period.
Has it? I thought the 130k number included people who died with Covid rather than exclusively of Covid?
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"This constant hostility to 'conspiracy theories'; is too often just hostility to open-minded inquiry. The origin of coronavirus? The effectiveness of masks? The accuracy of official stats? The accuracy of tests? All dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' initially I'm open to evidence. Show the evidence. I've read countless papers and looked into any number of lines thrown up. I incorporate anything credible into my thinking. I've yet to see much that's credible. There's open minded, but there's also credulous. I'm the former not the latter. All things are weighed against the evidence. How do we know that it's not the people vwho back official statements that aren't the 'credulous' ones? After all, you won't be told much at all if you just rely on official sources Why do you assume that people are only relying on the official sources? I'm not, as I've said (and you appear to have ignored) many times now. Speaking only for myself, I go to source material where I can. Where I can't or I don't understand it, I listen to discussions of the source material. These discussions involve analysis of the data and what it means, statistical significance, meaning of it in broader context. I also look at the claims of the radical free thinkers. I listened to an interview with Tess Lawrie last week on ivermectin, for example (before YouTube took it down). I look up the data that people here claim shows that vaccines are terrible or PCR doesn't work or ivermectin/HCQ is a miracle. You've seen me do it. And yet you cling to the idea that I'm solely reliant on the official data, because I disagree with you. No. I find the quality of the data from these spheres poor." I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about how officialdom is demonising any questioning of its own narrative. And how so many people join in with abuse... despite knowing only the official line. People are being encouraged to be abusive. I'm sure this will end in violence. People need to read more widely and open their minds instead of just shouting down critics of the official view | |||
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"This constant hostility to 'conspiracy theories'; is too often just hostility to open-minded inquiry. The origin of coronavirus? The effectiveness of masks? The accuracy of official stats? The accuracy of tests? All dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' initially I'm open to evidence. Show the evidence. I've read countless papers and looked into any number of lines thrown up. I incorporate anything credible into my thinking. I've yet to see much that's credible. There's open minded, but there's also credulous. I'm the former not the latter. All things are weighed against the evidence. How do we know that it's not the people vwho back official statements that aren't the 'credulous' ones? After all, you won't be told much at all if you just rely on official sources Why do you assume that people are only relying on the official sources? I'm not, as I've said (and you appear to have ignored) many times now. Speaking only for myself, I go to source material where I can. Where I can't or I don't understand it, I listen to discussions of the source material. These discussions involve analysis of the data and what it means, statistical significance, meaning of it in broader context. I also look at the claims of the radical free thinkers. I listened to an interview with Tess Lawrie last week on ivermectin, for example (before YouTube took it down). I look up the data that people here claim shows that vaccines are terrible or PCR doesn't work or ivermectin/HCQ is a miracle. You've seen me do it. And yet you cling to the idea that I'm solely reliant on the official data, because I disagree with you. No. I find the quality of the data from these spheres poor. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about how officialdom is demonising any questioning of its own narrative. And how so many people join in with abuse... despite knowing only the official line. People are being encouraged to be abusive. I'm sure this will end in violence. People need to read more widely and open their minds instead of just shouting down critics of the official view" Yes, you're correct - the number of threats being reported against public health doctors has gone way up, and there was an anti mask protest outside a US cancer clinic a few weeks ago where a protestor attacked a breast cancer patient. It's a very worrying time. | |||
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"I've seen that having a family member get really ill with Covid (or dying) cures most anti-vaxxers
I know people who have died in car accident's but I still drive
Life comes with risk
It certainly does. However the comparison to covid is faulty. An average of 1,784 die annually from car accidents in the UK. Covid has killed 130,000 in the same period.
Has it? I thought the 130k number included people who died with Covid rather than exclusively of Covid?
Still doing that dance. "Just asking. You can’t compare two different logics if they’re not the same can you? Apples with oranges anyone? | |||
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"I've seen that having a family member get really ill with Covid (or dying) cures most anti-vaxxers
I know people who have died in car accident's but I still drive
Life comes with risk
It certainly does. However the comparison to covid is faulty. An average of 1,784 die annually from car accidents in the UK. Covid has killed 130,000 in the same period.
Has it? I thought the 130k number included people who died with Covid rather than exclusively of Covid?
Still doing that dance.
Just asking. You can’t compare two different logics if they’re not the same can you? Apples with oranges anyone?
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"This constant hostility to 'conspiracy theories'; is too often just hostility to open-minded inquiry. The origin of coronavirus? The effectiveness of masks? The accuracy of official stats? The accuracy of tests? All dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' initially I'm open to evidence. Show the evidence. I've read countless papers and looked into any number of lines thrown up. I incorporate anything credible into my thinking. I've yet to see much that's credible. There's open minded, but there's also credulous. I'm the former not the latter. All things are weighed against the evidence. How do we know that it's not the people vwho back official statements that aren't the 'credulous' ones? After all, you won't be told much at all if you just rely on official sources Why do you assume that people are only relying on the official sources? I'm not, as I've said (and you appear to have ignored) many times now. Speaking only for myself, I go to source material where I can. Where I can't or I don't understand it, I listen to discussions of the source material. These discussions involve analysis of the data and what it means, statistical significance, meaning of it in broader context. I also look at the claims of the radical free thinkers. I listened to an interview with Tess Lawrie last week on ivermectin, for example (before YouTube took it down). I look up the data that people here claim shows that vaccines are terrible or PCR doesn't work or ivermectin/HCQ is a miracle. You've seen me do it. And yet you cling to the idea that I'm solely reliant on the official data, because I disagree with you. No. I find the quality of the data from these spheres poor. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about how officialdom is demonising any questioning of its own narrative. And how so many people join in with abuse... despite knowing only the official line. People are being encouraged to be abusive. I'm sure this will end in violence. People need to read more widely and open their minds instead of just shouting down critics of the official view Yes, you're correct - the number of threats being reported against public health doctors has gone way up, and there was an anti mask protest outside a US cancer clinic a few weeks ago where a protestor attacked a breast cancer patient. It's a very worrying time." Deflection. I'm referring to the hostility displayed to people who don't wear masks, who don't want the vaccine, who express views that others don't like. You see some of it on this forum... people being referred to abusively and dismissively. The government employs behavioural psychologists and they will be well aware that stoking fear of coronavirus will lead fearful people to try to put pressure on others. I'm sure it will spill over into physical attacks on dissenters before long | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Not everyone who declines is an antivaxxer. Some have medical exemption, some are hesitant and seeking advice. It’s not always black and white.This and also one shouldnt believe all the figures that comes from the narrative, that comes from the mainstream media "So where do you get your information from? | |||
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"This constant hostility to 'conspiracy theories'; is too often just hostility to open-minded inquiry. The origin of coronavirus? The effectiveness of masks? The accuracy of official stats? The accuracy of tests? All dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' initially I'm open to evidence. Show the evidence. I've read countless papers and looked into any number of lines thrown up. I incorporate anything credible into my thinking. I've yet to see much that's credible. There's open minded, but there's also credulous. I'm the former not the latter. All things are weighed against the evidence. How do we know that it's not the people vwho back official statements that aren't the 'credulous' ones? After all, you won't be told much at all if you just rely on official sources Why do you assume that people are only relying on the official sources? I'm not, as I've said (and you appear to have ignored) many times now. Speaking only for myself, I go to source material where I can. Where I can't or I don't understand it, I listen to discussions of the source material. These discussions involve analysis of the data and what it means, statistical significance, meaning of it in broader context. I also look at the claims of the radical free thinkers. I listened to an interview with Tess Lawrie last week on ivermectin, for example (before YouTube took it down). I look up the data that people here claim shows that vaccines are terrible or PCR doesn't work or ivermectin/HCQ is a miracle. You've seen me do it. And yet you cling to the idea that I'm solely reliant on the official data, because I disagree with you. No. I find the quality of the data from these spheres poor. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about how officialdom is demonising any questioning of its own narrative. And how so many people join in with abuse... despite knowing only the official line. People are being encouraged to be abusive. I'm sure this will end in violence. People need to read more widely and open their minds instead of just shouting down critics of the official view Yes, you're correct - the number of threats being reported against public health doctors has gone way up, and there was an anti mask protest outside a US cancer clinic a few weeks ago where a protestor attacked a breast cancer patient. It's a very worrying time. Deflection. I'm referring to the hostility displayed to people who don't wear masks, who don't want the vaccine, who express views that others don't like. You see some of it on this forum... people being referred to abusively and dismissively. The government employs behavioural psychologists and they will be well aware that stoking fear of coronavirus will lead fearful people to try to put pressure on others. I'm sure it will spill over into physical attacks on dissenters before long" Ok. If you say so | |||
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" Deflection. I'm referring to the hostility displayed to people who don't wear masks, who don't want the vaccine, who express views that others don't like. You see some of it on this forum... people being referred to abusively and dismissively. The government employs behavioural psychologists and they will be well aware that stoking fear of coronavirus will lead fearful people to try to put pressure on others. I'm sure it will spill over into physical attacks on dissenters before long" I think much of the hostility is down to the brazen attitude of anti-vaxers. I'm not talking here about people with a medical exemption or phobia, but those who postulate about 'their rights' or some ill conceived conspiracy theory, whilst ignoring the rights of others who've followed the guidance and have a real fear of contamination, to protect themselves and their communities. | |||
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"This constant hostility to 'conspiracy theories'; is too often just hostility to open-minded inquiry. The origin of coronavirus? The effectiveness of masks? The accuracy of official stats? The accuracy of tests? All dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' initially I'm open to evidence. Show the evidence. I've read countless papers and looked into any number of lines thrown up. I incorporate anything credible into my thinking. I've yet to see much that's credible. There's open minded, but there's also credulous. I'm the former not the latter. All things are weighed against the evidence. How do we know that it's not the people vwho back official statements that aren't the 'credulous' ones? After all, you won't be told much at all if you just rely on official sources Why do you assume that people are only relying on the official sources? I'm not, as I've said (and you appear to have ignored) many times now. Speaking only for myself, I go to source material where I can. Where I can't or I don't understand it, I listen to discussions of the source material. These discussions involve analysis of the data and what it means, statistical significance, meaning of it in broader context. I also look at the claims of the radical free thinkers. I listened to an interview with Tess Lawrie last week on ivermectin, for example (before YouTube took it down). I look up the data that people here claim shows that vaccines are terrible or PCR doesn't work or ivermectin/HCQ is a miracle. You've seen me do it. And yet you cling to the idea that I'm solely reliant on the official data, because I disagree with you. No. I find the quality of the data from these spheres poor. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about how officialdom is demonising any questioning of its own narrative. And how so many people join in with abuse... despite knowing only the official line. People are being encouraged to be abusive. I'm sure this will end in violence. People need to read more widely and open their minds instead of just shouting down critics of the official view Yes, you're correct - the number of threats being reported against public health doctors has gone way up, and there was an anti mask protest outside a US cancer clinic a few weeks ago where a protestor attacked a breast cancer patient. It's a very worrying time. Deflection. I'm referring to the hostility displayed to people who don't wear masks, who don't want the vaccine, who express views that others don't like. You see some of it on this forum... people being referred to abusively and dismissively. The government employs behavioural psychologists and they will be well aware that stoking fear of coronavirus will lead fearful people to try to put pressure on others. I'm sure it will spill over into physical attacks on dissenters before long Ok. If you say so " It already has. Lots of people have been verbally and physically attacked for not wearing a face covering. Where I used to live someone was shot with a pellet gun by a local shop Owner! | |||
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"I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about how officialdom is demonising any questioning of its own narrative. And how so many people join in with abuse... despite knowing only the official line. People are being encouraged to be abusive. I'm sure this will end in violence. People need to read more widely and open their minds instead of just shouting down critics of the official view" Personal choice should never be the strategy to deal with a global pandemic, that's one of the reasons we have 'officialdom' in the first place, otherwise there would be no law, no order, no social infrastructure. Remember the alternative existed long before a structured system of government was put in place and the consequences brought about a consensus around how certain things should be managed. Ps and frankly the idiocy that denies the reasons for the cumulative dead would send us all to the graveyard. | |||
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"This constant hostility to 'conspiracy theories'; is too often just hostility to open-minded inquiry. The origin of coronavirus? The effectiveness of masks? The accuracy of official stats? The accuracy of tests? All dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' initially I'm open to evidence. Show the evidence. I've read countless papers and looked into any number of lines thrown up. I incorporate anything credible into my thinking. I've yet to see much that's credible. There's open minded, but there's also credulous. I'm the former not the latter. All things are weighed against the evidence. How do we know that it's not the people vwho back official statements that aren't the 'credulous' ones? After all, you won't be told much at all if you just rely on official sources Why do you assume that people are only relying on the official sources? I'm not, as I've said (and you appear to have ignored) many times now. Speaking only for myself, I go to source material where I can. Where I can't or I don't understand it, I listen to discussions of the source material. These discussions involve analysis of the data and what it means, statistical significance, meaning of it in broader context. I also look at the claims of the radical free thinkers. I listened to an interview with Tess Lawrie last week on ivermectin, for example (before YouTube took it down). I look up the data that people here claim shows that vaccines are terrible or PCR doesn't work or ivermectin/HCQ is a miracle. You've seen me do it. And yet you cling to the idea that I'm solely reliant on the official data, because I disagree with you. No. I find the quality of the data from these spheres poor. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about how officialdom is demonising any questioning of its own narrative. And how so many people join in with abuse... despite knowing only the official line. People are being encouraged to be abusive. I'm sure this will end in violence. People need to read more widely and open their minds instead of just shouting down critics of the official view Yes, you're correct - the number of threats being reported against public health doctors has gone way up, and there was an anti mask protest outside a US cancer clinic a few weeks ago where a protestor attacked a breast cancer patient. It's a very worrying time. Deflection. I'm referring to the hostility displayed to people who don't wear masks, who don't want the vaccine, who express views that others don't like. You see some of it on this forum... people being referred to abusively and dismissively. The government employs behavioural psychologists and they will be well aware that stoking fear of coronavirus will lead fearful people to try to put pressure on others. I'm sure it will spill over into physical attacks on dissenters before long Ok. If you say so It already has. Lots of people have been verbally and physically attacked for not wearing a face covering. Where I used to live someone was shot with a pellet gun by a local shop Owner!" I've been shouted at for wearing one, too. All I can say is that I have never done anything in public about anyone's face covering or lack thereof. I don't even look at them funny, I just give lots of distance I argue online. That's as bad as I get. And I don't condone violence. | |||
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"This constant hostility to 'conspiracy theories'; is too often just hostility to open-minded inquiry. The origin of coronavirus? The effectiveness of masks? The accuracy of official stats? The accuracy of tests? All dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' initially I'm open to evidence. Show the evidence. I've read countless papers and looked into any number of lines thrown up. I incorporate anything credible into my thinking. I've yet to see much that's credible. There's open minded, but there's also credulous. I'm the former not the latter. All things are weighed against the evidence. How do we know that it's not the people vwho back official statements that aren't the 'credulous' ones? After all, you won't be told much at all if you just rely on official sources Why do you assume that people are only relying on the official sources? I'm not, as I've said (and you appear to have ignored) many times now. Speaking only for myself, I go to source material where I can. Where I can't or I don't understand it, I listen to discussions of the source material. These discussions involve analysis of the data and what it means, statistical significance, meaning of it in broader context. I also look at the claims of the radical free thinkers. I listened to an interview with Tess Lawrie last week on ivermectin, for example (before YouTube took it down). I look up the data that people here claim shows that vaccines are terrible or PCR doesn't work or ivermectin/HCQ is a miracle. You've seen me do it. And yet you cling to the idea that I'm solely reliant on the official data, because I disagree with you. No. I find the quality of the data from these spheres poor."
I wish more people took this approach! You explain things so clearly, it's almost impossible to misunderstand what you say, when we have an open mind and are just wanting to understand perspectives and how to get the country to a safer place. | |||
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" Deflection. I'm referring to the hostility displayed to people who don't wear masks, who don't want the vaccine, who express views that others don't like. You see some of it on this forum... people being referred to abusively and dismissively. The government employs behavioural psychologists and they will be well aware that stoking fear of coronavirus will lead fearful people to try to put pressure on others. I'm sure it will spill over into physical attacks on dissenters before long I think much of the hostility is down to the brazen attitude of anti-vaxers. I'm not talking here about people with a medical exemption or phobia, but those who postulate about 'their rights' or some ill conceived conspiracy theory, whilst ignoring the rights of others who've followed the guidance and have a real fear of contamination, to protect themselves and their communities. " Oh I'm not sure the aggression and abuse is restricted only to those challenging the perceived wisdom. There's abuse directed from both sides to both sides. It seems debate is not invited nor tolerated. | |||
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"I've seen that having a family member get really ill with Covid (or dying) cures most anti-vaxxers "This! | |||
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" Why do you say that people who don't follow the official narrative are 'conspiracy theorists'? I presume you mean they are being fed lies. How do you know that YOU aren't being fed lies?" I didn't say those who don't follow the official narrative are conspiracy theorists, there are many reasons, conspiracy theory being one amongst them. How do I know I'm not being fed lies? I may well be, but I've a professional interest in healthcare and the evidence in front of my eyes is quite compelling. | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. And again showing you have no idea about science. Oh and while I’m here, I’ll have a Big Mac meal. The Atom bomb was thought up by a scientist. Science can be wrong history always tells the truth "A completely different area of science once thought up this bad thing. Science can be wrong and therefore Coronavirus vaccine bad. I smart."" Imagine believing that flexing your intellectual superiority over random strangers in a swinging forum would be an adequate display of intelligence.... its often the most deluded among us that use put downs to mask our own shortcomings in this world, the self conscious belittle those they consider fat or ugly, dumb people tend to question any display of intellect they don't quite understand with an attempt to portray the other person in a "dumb" light. Takes less effort to just accept we will never agree and that doesn't have to be a bad thing or be divisive and yet you resort to put downs #stayclassy | |||
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"I've seen that having a family member get really ill with Covid (or dying) cures most anti-vaxxers
I know people who have died in car accident's but I still drive
Life comes with risk
It certainly does. However the comparison to covid is faulty. An average of 1,784 die annually from car accidents in the UK. Covid has killed 130,000 in the same period.
Has it? I thought the 130k number included people who died with Covid rather than exclusively of Covid?
Still doing that dance.
Just asking. You can’t compare two different logics if they’re not the same can you? Apples with oranges anyone?
Apples with oranges - exactly my point about car accidents. "Well actually no it wasn’t, and that was the point of my post. You posted the number of deaths by car accident rather than the number of people who died 28days after having a car accident. So you compared apples with satsumas….. | |||
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"Most people getting admitted to hospital with COVID haven't had both jabs. " For over 50s...66 per cent of people admitted to hospital have had one or 2 jabs... For under 50s... 83 per cent of people admitted to hospital are unvaccinated Source... https://www.covid-arg.com/post/how-many-covid-patients-in-hospital-are-vaccinated-an-update | |||
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"For those interested found an interesting data source here... https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/08/Covid-Publication-05-08-2021-Supplementary-Dataagebands.xlsx Daily Admissions by age group.. Under 18s are running between 5 and 10 percent of daily hospital admissions..between 30 to 40 pax per day the last few weeks. Interesting to take a look at the "official" numbers. " Are they like statistics stuff and graffs n that wot tell you fings  | |||
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" Why do you say that people who don't follow the official narrative are 'conspiracy theorists'? I presume you mean they are being fed lies. How do you know that YOU aren't being fed lies? I didn't say those who don't follow the official narrative are conspiracy theorists, there are many reasons, conspiracy theory being one amongst them. How do I know I'm not being fed lies? I may well be, but I've a professional interest in healthcare and the evidence in front of my eyes is quite compelling." There will be lots of evidence that isn't being put in front of your eyes. Did purveyors of the official narrative tell you what they REALLY thought... until a Freedom of Information request revealed what Fauci really thought? | |||
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"For those interested found an interesting data source here... https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/08/Covid-Publication-05-08-2021-Supplementary-Dataagebands.xlsx Daily Admissions by age group.. Under 18s are running between 5 and 10 percent of daily hospital admissions..between 30 to 40 pax per day the last few weeks. Interesting to take a look at the "official" numbers. Are they like statistics stuff and graffs n that wot tell you fings "??? | |||
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"Anti-vaxers (unless on medical or religious grounds) are prolonging the plague and are just being selfish. It seems that they can't see beyond the guff written online. When they can't get a job, go clubbing or travel internationally, I suspect they may change their opinion. " I don't see why you don't mind people who are not having the vaccine on religious grounds, surely religion is a choice, but somebody who chooses not to have the vaccine is selfish, after all the vaccine is not mandatory and neither should it be, you should have a choice. Personally I don't care whether you have the vaccine or not, but the venom that people spew on here is unreal, and rather alarming. it would be a crime to say these things about a certain race or sexuality but you think it's OK because its only about people who do not want a vaccine. | |||
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"Anti-vaxers (unless on medical or religious grounds) are prolonging the plague and are just being selfish. It seems that they can't see beyond the guff written online. When they can't get a job, go clubbing or travel internationally, I suspect they may change their opinion. I don't see why you don't mind people who are not having the vaccine on religious grounds, surely religion is a choice, but somebody who chooses not to have the vaccine is selfish, after all the vaccine is not mandatory and neither should it be, you should have a choice. Personally I don't care whether you have the vaccine or not, but the venom that people spew on here is unreal, and rather alarming. it would be a crime to say these things about a certain race or sexuality but you think it's OK because its only about people who do not want a vaccine." I Could be wrong but I dont think other than possibly jehovahs witnesses, though I'm not sure there would be religious grounds for somebody not to take a vaccination. The main Different religions there is nothing to say you can't take a vaccine. | |||
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" Why do you say that people who don't follow the official narrative are 'conspiracy theorists'? I presume you mean they are being fed lies. How do you know that YOU aren't being fed lies? I didn't say those who don't follow the official narrative are conspiracy theorists, there are many reasons, conspiracy theory being one amongst them. How do I know I'm not being fed lies? I may well be, but I've a professional interest in healthcare and the evidence in front of my eyes is quite compelling. There will be lots of evidence that isn't being put in front of your eyes. Did purveyors of the official narrative tell you what they REALLY thought... until a Freedom of Information request revealed what Fauci really thought?" As I said, I may well be being fed lies, it's highly unlikely the various 'narratives' are entirely enshrined in truth. I also said my work presents opportunities to make a reasonable judgement. Incidentally are you privy to 'all' the evidence and/or large numbers of people who've been exposed to the virus, become gravely ill or died? Put simply these people didn't trouble health services in the numbers we've seen over the last 18 months. So whatever narrative someone subscribes to, something changed to create this demand and at worse it's a fortunate coincidence that the numbers presenting have reduced significantly since the implementation of the mass vaccination programme. | |||
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"Anti-vaxers (unless on medical or religious grounds) are prolonging the plague and are just being selfish. It seems that they can't see beyond the guff written online. When they can't get a job, go clubbing or travel internationally, I suspect they may change their opinion. I don't see why you don't mind people who are not having the vaccine on religious grounds, surely religion is a choice, but somebody who chooses not to have the vaccine is selfish, after all the vaccine is not mandatory and neither should it be, you should have a choice. Personally I don't care whether you have the vaccine or not, but the venom that people spew on here is unreal, and rather alarming. it would be a crime to say these things about a certain race or sexuality but you think it's OK because its only about people who do not want a vaccine." There is the danger of a bullying, authoritarian mindset spilling over into other areas of society. I never thought I'd see the public aggression and intolerance that we see growing | |||
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"Anti-vaxers (unless on medical or religious grounds) are prolonging the plague and are just being selfish. It seems that they can't see beyond the guff written online. When they can't get a job, go clubbing or travel internationally, I suspect they may change their opinion. I don't see why you don't mind people who are not having the vaccine on religious grounds, surely religion is a choice, but somebody who chooses not to have the vaccine is selfish, after all the vaccine is not mandatory and neither should it be, you should have a choice. Personally I don't care whether you have the vaccine or not, but the venom that people spew on here is unreal, and rather alarming. it would be a crime to say these things about a certain race or sexuality but you think it's OK because its only about people who do not want a vaccine. There is the danger of a bullying, authoritarian mindset spilling over into other areas of society. I never thought I'd see the public aggression and intolerance that we see growing" Seriously! This has been happening way before the pandemic. | |||
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" So what is a conspiracy theorist then? Someone who believes things that aren't backed up by evidence, often because it makes them feel superior that they're not one of the 'sheep'. This isn't difficult. All opinions aren't equal. Conspiracy Theorist is a broadly known term used to discredit , disqualify and insult those who question the official narrative (brand them as sort of whacko). By ‘question the official narrative’ you presumably mean ‘ignore available evidence in favour of blindly repeating half-understood misconceptions’." no I don’t mean that ; I merely answered the question correctly so no need for your interpretation of what I wrote - next thing you will be calling me a conspiracy theorist, just because I disagreed with your definition. | |||
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"This constant hostility to 'conspiracy theories'; is too often just hostility to open-minded inquiry. The origin of coronavirus? The effectiveness of masks? The accuracy of official stats? The accuracy of tests? All dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' initially I'm open to evidence. Show the evidence. I've read countless papers and looked into any number of lines thrown up. I incorporate anything credible into my thinking. I've yet to see much that's credible. There's open minded, but there's also credulous. I'm the former not the latter. All things are weighed against the evidence. How do we know that it's not the people vwho back official statements that aren't the 'credulous' ones? After all, you won't be told much at all if you just rely on official sources" You literally never listen. Swing and many others have said it many times, over and over. We don't follow the BBC, we don't follow the government narrative knowing full well the shit show they are. We follow the science, not just in the UK but the scientific communities Globally! We look at the evidence that has been extensively peer reviewed from leading experts from all backgrounds and nationalities who priorities are not centred by various goverment and national agendas. Whilst you rely and quote ad nauseam, well know anti-vaccine sources who constantly twist sources to such the agenda. They are the furthers thing from science. The best bit half of these charlatans, and anti vaxxer agenda pushers have been duped themselves with many of them having money trails that lead out of the UK and back to countries who want to cause division within our country. KJ | |||
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"This constant hostility to 'conspiracy theories'; is too often just hostility to open-minded inquiry. The origin of coronavirus? The effectiveness of masks? The accuracy of official stats? The accuracy of tests? All dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' initially I'm open to evidence. Show the evidence. I've read countless papers and looked into any number of lines thrown up. I incorporate anything credible into my thinking. I've yet to see much that's credible. There's open minded, but there's also credulous. I'm the former not the latter. All things are weighed against the evidence. How do we know that it's not the people vwho back official statements that aren't the 'credulous' ones? After all, you won't be told much at all if you just rely on official sources You literally never listen. Swing and many others have said it many times, over and over. We don't follow the BBC, we don't follow the government narrative knowing full well the shit show they are. We follow the science, not just in the UK but the scientific communities Globally! We look at the evidence that has been extensively peer reviewed from leading experts from all backgrounds and nationalities who priorities are not centred by various goverment and national agendas. Whilst you rely and quote ad nauseam, well know anti-vaccine sources who constantly twist sources to such the agenda. They are the furthers thing from science. The best bit half of these charlatans, and anti vaxxer agenda pushers have been duped themselves with many of them having money trails that lead out of the UK and back to countries who want to cause division within our country. KJ " Football does that wait and see. | |||
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"Just answer the question; why do cars have brakes ? " So they can stop. What's your point? | |||
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"Just answer the question; why do cars have brakes ? Cars have brakes so we can drive faster and have a way to slow that momentum, some of the first cars had people walking in front of them and didn't need brakes." well done ! You got it ! Exactly, cars have brakes so they can be driven faster (and not just for slowing and stopping ) - My point is that there are two sides to a coin ; those who question the official covid narrative are deemed to be conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers, and whackohs. It’s only the other side of the coin (the bbc , sky news and Downing Street narrative ) which projects the official narrative is accepted in society. This is very sad and very wrong; they don’t see the big picture and have a very narrow mindset. | |||
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"Just answer the question; why do cars have brakes ? Cars have brakes so we can drive faster and have a way to slow that momentum, some of the first cars had people walking in front of them and didn't need brakes.well done ! You got it ! Exactly, cars have brakes so they can be driven faster (and not just for slowing and stopping ) - My point is that there are two sides to a coin ; those who question the official covid narrative are deemed to be conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers, and whackohs. It’s only the other side of the coin (the bbc , sky news and Downing Street narrative ) which projects the official narrative is accepted in society. This is very sad and very wrong; they don’t see the big picture and have a very narrow mindset. " Don't say that you must "may " be considered a foreign agent. | |||
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"Just answer the question; why do cars have brakes ? Cars have brakes so we can drive faster and have a way to slow that momentum, some of the first cars had people walking in front of them and didn't need brakes.well done ! You got it ! Exactly, cars have brakes so they can be driven faster (and not just for slowing and stopping ) - My point is that there are two sides to a coin ; those who question the official covid narrative are deemed to be conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers, and whackohs. It’s only the other side of the coin (the bbc , sky news and Downing Street narrative ) which projects the official narrative is accepted in society. This is very sad and very wrong; they don’t see the big picture and have a very narrow mindset. " My point exactly. I don't have a TV and very rarely listen to radio, but to see the fear on people's faces in shops and outside is just amazing. Wearing masks whilst driving or in the park by themselves, crossing the road to avoid people walking the other way just unbelievable. I have a Swedish customer who unfairly laughs at the people here and cannot fathom how the British people have caved to the 24/7 fear propaganda being pumped out. SAGE with their on-board science behavioural therapist know the effect of fear and how to get people to think and react to certain news put out. It's great to watch if you understand this and helps you understand what is coming in the near future. | |||
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"Just answer the question; why do cars have brakes ? Cars have brakes so we can drive faster and have a way to slow that momentum, some of the first cars had people walking in front of them and didn't need brakes.well done ! You got it ! Exactly, cars have brakes so they can be driven faster (and not just for slowing and stopping ) - My point is that there are two sides to a coin ; those who question the official covid narrative are deemed to be conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers, and whackohs. It’s only the other side of the coin (the bbc , sky news and Downing Street narrative ) which projects the official narrative is accepted in society. This is very sad and very wrong; they don’t see the big picture and have a very narrow mindset. My point exactly. I don't have a TV and very rarely listen to radio, but to see the fear on people's faces in shops and outside is just amazing. Wearing masks whilst driving or in the park by themselves, crossing the road to avoid people walking the other way just unbelievable. I have a Swedish customer who unfairly laughs at the people here and cannot fathom how the British people have caved to the 24/7 fear propaganda being pumped out. SAGE with their on-board science behavioural therapist know the effect of fear and how to get people to think and react to certain news put out. It's great to watch if you understand this and helps you understand what is coming in the near future. " Goodness, that's rather judgemental of you. I don't study people's faces, I just get on with my day. | |||
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"Are you allowed to call other members anti Vaxers in these forums. I was under the impression that insulting other forum members was against the rules." I guess that depends if you find it offensive or verbal diarrhea. | |||
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"Just answer the question; why do cars have brakes ? Cars have brakes so we can drive faster and have a way to slow that momentum, some of the first cars had people walking in front of them and didn't need brakes.well done ! You got it ! Exactly, cars have brakes so they can be driven faster (and not just for slowing and stopping ) - My point is that there are two sides to a coin ; those who question the official covid narrative are deemed to be conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers, and whackohs. It’s only the other side of the coin (the bbc , sky news and Downing Street narrative ) which projects the official narrative is accepted in society. This is very sad and very wrong; they don’t see the big picture and have a very narrow mindset. My point exactly. I don't have a TV and very rarely listen to radio, but to see the fear on people's faces in shops and outside is just amazing. Wearing masks whilst driving or in the park by themselves, crossing the road to avoid people walking the other way just unbelievable. I have a Swedish customer who unfairly laughs at the people here and cannot fathom how the British people have caved to the 24/7 fear propaganda being pumped out. SAGE with their on-board science behavioural therapist know the effect of fear and how to get people to think and react to certain news put out. It's great to watch if you understand this and helps you understand what is coming in the near future. Goodness, that's rather judgemental of you. I don't study people's faces, I just get on with my day." You don't have to, the natural human instinct of studying people's facial characteristics has stopped, children have been denied this as part of their development and we are going to reap the unknown effects of this for years to come. | |||
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"Just answer the question; why do cars have brakes ? Cars have brakes so we can drive faster and have a way to slow that momentum, some of the first cars had people walking in front of them and didn't need brakes.well done ! You got it ! Exactly, cars have brakes so they can be driven faster (and not just for slowing and stopping ) - My point is that there are two sides to a coin ; those who question the official covid narrative are deemed to be conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers, and whackohs. It’s only the other side of the coin (the bbc , sky news and Downing Street narrative ) which projects the official narrative is accepted in society. This is very sad and very wrong; they don’t see the big picture and have a very narrow mindset. My point exactly. I don't have a TV and very rarely listen to radio, but to see the fear on people's faces in shops and outside is just amazing. Wearing masks whilst driving or in the park by themselves, crossing the road to avoid people walking the other way just unbelievable. I have a Swedish customer who unfairly laughs at the people here and cannot fathom how the British people have caved to the 24/7 fear propaganda being pumped out. SAGE with their on-board science behavioural therapist know the effect of fear and how to get people to think and react to certain news put out. It's great to watch if you understand this and helps you understand what is coming in the near future. Goodness, that's rather judgemental of you. I don't study people's faces, I just get on with my day. You don't have to, the natural human instinct of studying people's facial characteristics has stopped, children have been denied this as part of their development and we are going to reap the unknown effects of this for years to come. " Fascinating. I'll be interested to see the academic literature on this when it arises, and how such damage is mitigated in the home. In the meantime, I still mask, no matter what anyone thinks about me. | |||
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"The media fear machine has literally driven rational people insane. Had covid but got the vaccine anyway. Had the vaccine and still wearing a mask. Double masking! Sorry it's too dangerous to hug relatives. Sad times. Fear will make these people give up all their rights." You really don’t have a grasp of science do you? | |||
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"The media fear machine has literally driven rational people insane. Had covid but got the vaccine anyway. Had the vaccine and still wearing a mask. Double masking! Sorry it's too dangerous to hug relatives. Sad times. Fear will make these people give up all their rights. You really don’t have a grasp of science do you?" Is that all you got? | |||
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"Just answer the question; why do cars have brakes ? Cars have brakes so we can drive faster and have a way to slow that momentum, some of the first cars had people walking in front of them and didn't need brakes.well done ! You got it ! Exactly, cars have brakes so they can be driven faster (and not just for slowing and stopping ) - My point is that there are two sides to a coin ; those who question the official covid narrative are deemed to be conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers, and whackohs. It’s only the other side of the coin (the bbc , sky news and Downing Street narrative ) which projects the official narrative is accepted in society. This is very sad and very wrong; they don’t see the big picture and have a very narrow mindset. My point exactly. I don't have a TV and very rarely listen to radio, but to see the fear on people's faces in shops and outside is just amazing. Wearing masks whilst driving or in the park by themselves, crossing the road to avoid people walking the other way just unbelievable. I have a Swedish customer who unfairly laughs at the people here and cannot fathom how the British people have caved to the 24/7 fear propaganda being pumped out. SAGE with their on-board science behavioural therapist know the effect of fear and how to get people to think and react to certain news put out. It's great to watch if you understand this and helps you understand what is coming in the near future. " Autism | |||
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"Just answer the question; why do cars have brakes ? Cars have brakes so we can drive faster and have a way to slow that momentum, some of the first cars had people walking in front of them and didn't need brakes.well done ! You got it ! Exactly, cars have brakes so they can be driven faster (and not just for slowing and stopping ) - My point is that there are two sides to a coin ; those who question the official covid narrative are deemed to be conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers, and whackohs. It’s only the other side of the coin (the bbc , sky news and Downing Street narrative ) which projects the official narrative is accepted in society. This is very sad and very wrong; they don’t see the big picture and have a very narrow mindset. My point exactly. I don't have a TV and very rarely listen to radio, but to see the fear on people's faces in shops and outside is just amazing. Wearing masks whilst driving or in the park by themselves, crossing the road to avoid people walking the other way just unbelievable. I have a Swedish customer who unfairly laughs at the people here and cannot fathom how the British people have caved to the 24/7 fear propaganda being pumped out. SAGE with their on-board science behavioural therapist know the effect of fear and how to get people to think and react to certain news put out. It's great to watch if you understand this and helps you understand what is coming in the near future. Autism" yep - some people really do still believe that the earth is flat. | |||
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"Just answer the question; why do cars have brakes ? Cars have brakes so we can drive faster and have a way to slow that momentum, some of the first cars had people walking in front of them and didn't need brakes.well done ! You got it ! Exactly, cars have brakes so they can be driven faster (and not just for slowing and stopping ) - My point is that there are two sides to a coin ; those who question the official covid narrative are deemed to be conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers, and whackohs. It’s only the other side of the coin (the bbc , sky news and Downing Street narrative ) which projects the official narrative is accepted in society. This is very sad and very wrong; they don’t see the big picture and have a very narrow mindset. My point exactly. I don't have a TV and very rarely listen to radio, but to see the fear on people's faces in shops and outside is just amazing. Wearing masks whilst driving or in the park by themselves, crossing the road to avoid people walking the other way just unbelievable. I have a Swedish customer who unfairly laughs at the people here and cannot fathom how the British people have caved to the 24/7 fear propaganda being pumped out. SAGE with their on-board science behavioural therapist know the effect of fear and how to get people to think and react to certain news put out. It's great to watch if you understand this and helps you understand what is coming in the near future. Autism yep - some people really do still believe that the earth is flat." I don't think there is any here though. | |||
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"Just answer the question; why do cars have brakes ? Cars have brakes so we can drive faster and have a way to slow that momentum, some of the first cars had people walking in front of them and didn't need brakes.well done ! You got it ! Exactly, cars have brakes so they can be driven faster (and not just for slowing and stopping ) - My point is that there are two sides to a coin ; those who question the official covid narrative are deemed to be conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers, and whackohs. It’s only the other side of the coin (the bbc , sky news and Downing Street narrative ) which projects the official narrative is accepted in society. This is very sad and very wrong; they don’t see the big picture and have a very narrow mindset. My point exactly. I don't have a TV and very rarely listen to radio, but to see the fear on people's faces in shops and outside is just amazing. Wearing masks whilst driving or in the park by themselves, crossing the road to avoid people walking the other way just unbelievable. I have a Swedish customer who unfairly laughs at the people here and cannot fathom how the British people have caved to the 24/7 fear propaganda being pumped out. SAGE with their on-board science behavioural therapist know the effect of fear and how to get people to think and react to certain news put out. It's great to watch if you understand this and helps you understand what is coming in the near future. Autism yep - some people really do still believe that the earth is flat. I don't think there is any here though. "Hmmm is that an pro flat earth opinion | |||
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"The media fear machine has literally driven rational people insane. Had covid but got the vaccine anyway. Had the vaccine and still wearing a mask. Double masking! Sorry it's too dangerous to hug relatives. Sad times. Fear will make these people give up all their rights. You really don’t have a grasp of science do you? Is that all you got? " I could probably throw in a few Mark Twain quotes but I doubt you have a grasp of literature either. | |||
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"Just answer the question; why do cars have brakes ? Cars have brakes so we can drive faster and have a way to slow that momentum, some of the first cars had people walking in front of them and didn't need brakes.well done ! You got it ! Exactly, cars have brakes so they can be driven faster (and not just for slowing and stopping ) - My point is that there are two sides to a coin ; those who question the official covid narrative are deemed to be conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers, and whackohs. It’s only the other side of the coin (the bbc , sky news and Downing Street narrative ) which projects the official narrative is accepted in society. This is very sad and very wrong; they don’t see the big picture and have a very narrow mindset. My point exactly. I don't have a TV and very rarely listen to radio, but to see the fear on people's faces in shops and outside is just amazing. Wearing masks whilst driving or in the park by themselves, crossing the road to avoid people walking the other way just unbelievable. I have a Swedish customer who unfairly laughs at the people here and cannot fathom how the British people have caved to the 24/7 fear propaganda being pumped out. SAGE with their on-board science behavioural therapist know the effect of fear and how to get people to think and react to certain news put out. It's great to watch if you understand this and helps you understand what is coming in the near future. Autism yep - some people really do still believe that the earth is flat. I don't think there is any here though.
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. " Do you realise it’s actually a tweaked version of the flu jab? Perhaps watch someone you love die then you may have a different opinion, very much personal choice but let’s hope those that refused a vaccine don’t need hospital treatment after all science has created all medicines we have and a one point all vaccines have been new! | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. Do you realise it’s actually a tweaked version of the flu jab? Perhaps watch someone you love die then you may have a different opinion, very much personal choice but let’s hope those that refused a vaccine don’t need hospital treatment after all science has created all medicines we have and a one point all vaccines have been new!" But the death rate isn't much worse than a bad season of flu, is it? And flu has almost disappeared! Which raises the question of whether some deaths are misrecorded. A perfectly reasonable question...but one which the media hardly ever raises | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. Do you realise it’s actually a tweaked version of the flu jab? Perhaps watch someone you love die then you may have a different opinion, very much personal choice but let’s hope those that refused a vaccine don’t need hospital treatment after all science has created all medicines we have and a one point all vaccines have been new! But the death rate isn't much worse than a bad season of flu, is it? And flu has almost disappeared! Which raises the question of whether some deaths are misrecorded. A perfectly reasonable question...but one which the media hardly ever raises" Firstly it is much higher than a bad flu season and secondly flu did not disappear! Hospitalisations and deaths from flu last year where a lot less than the average year but seeing as we were in lockdown for the vast majority of the flu season and uptake of people taking the flu vaccine was a record high so it's hardly surprising. | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. Do you realise it’s actually a tweaked version of the flu jab? Perhaps watch someone you love die then you may have a different opinion, very much personal choice but let’s hope those that refused a vaccine don’t need hospital treatment after all science has created all medicines we have and a one point all vaccines have been new! But the death rate isn't much worse than a bad season of flu, is it? And flu has almost disappeared! Which raises the question of whether some deaths are misrecorded. A perfectly reasonable question...but one which the media hardly ever raises Firstly it is much higher than a bad flu season and secondly flu did not disappear! Hospitalisations and deaths from flu last year where a lot less than the average year but seeing as we were in lockdown for the vast majority of the flu season and uptake of people taking the flu vaccine was a record high so it's hardly surprising. " I didn't say flu HAD disappeared. I said it had almost disappeared | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. Do you realise it’s actually a tweaked version of the flu jab? Perhaps watch someone you love die then you may have a different opinion, very much personal choice but let’s hope those that refused a vaccine don’t need hospital treatment after all science has created all medicines we have and a one point all vaccines have been new! But the death rate isn't much worse than a bad season of flu, is it? And flu has almost disappeared! Which raises the question of whether some deaths are misrecorded. A perfectly reasonable question...but one which the media hardly ever raises Firstly it is much higher than a bad flu season and secondly flu did not disappear! Hospitalisations and deaths from flu last year where a lot less than the average year but seeing as we were in lockdown for the vast majority of the flu season and uptake of people taking the flu vaccine was a record high so it's hardly surprising. I didn't say flu HAD disappeared. I said it had almost disappeared" They also didn't he in all most disappear! Flu and pneumonia deaths were lower than the 5 year average but given the measures in place it makes absolutele sense. | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. Do you realise it’s actually a tweaked version of the flu jab? Perhaps watch someone you love die then you may have a different opinion, very much personal choice but let’s hope those that refused a vaccine don’t need hospital treatment after all science has created all medicines we have and a one point all vaccines have been new! But the death rate isn't much worse than a bad season of flu, is it? And flu has almost disappeared! Which raises the question of whether some deaths are misrecorded. A perfectly reasonable question...but one which the media hardly ever raises Firstly it is much higher than a bad flu season and secondly flu did not disappear! Hospitalisations and deaths from flu last year where a lot less than the average year but seeing as we were in lockdown for the vast majority of the flu season and uptake of people taking the flu vaccine was a record high so it's hardly surprising. I didn't say flu HAD disappeared. I said it had almost disappeared They also didn't he in all most disappear! Flu and pneumonia deaths were lower than the 5 year average but given the measures in place it makes absolutele sense. " But given the disciplinary threats made against doctors it is reasonable to ask if they played safe? | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. Do you realise it’s actually a tweaked version of the flu jab? Perhaps watch someone you love die then you may have a different opinion, very much personal choice but let’s hope those that refused a vaccine don’t need hospital treatment after all science has created all medicines we have and a one point all vaccines have been new! But the death rate isn't much worse than a bad season of flu, is it? And flu has almost disappeared! Which raises the question of whether some deaths are misrecorded. A perfectly reasonable question...but one which the media hardly ever raises Firstly it is much higher than a bad flu season and secondly flu did not disappear! Hospitalisations and deaths from flu last year where a lot less than the average year but seeing as we were in lockdown for the vast majority of the flu season and uptake of people taking the flu vaccine was a record high so it's hardly surprising. I didn't say flu HAD disappeared. I said it had almost disappeared They also didn't he in all most disappear! Flu and pneumonia deaths were lower than the 5 year average but given the measures in place it makes absolutele sense. But given the disciplinary threats made against doctors it is reasonable to ask if they played safe?" What are you talking about! | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. Do you realise it’s actually a tweaked version of the flu jab? Perhaps watch someone you love die then you may have a different opinion, very much personal choice but let’s hope those that refused a vaccine don’t need hospital treatment after all science has created all medicines we have and a one point all vaccines have been new! But the death rate isn't much worse than a bad season of flu, is it? And flu has almost disappeared! Which raises the question of whether some deaths are misrecorded. A perfectly reasonable question...but one which the media hardly ever raises Firstly it is much higher than a bad flu season and secondly flu did not disappear! Hospitalisations and deaths from flu last year where a lot less than the average year but seeing as we were in lockdown for the vast majority of the flu season and uptake of people taking the flu vaccine was a record high so it's hardly surprising. I didn't say flu HAD disappeared. I said it had almost disappeared They also didn't he in all most disappear! Flu and pneumonia deaths were lower than the 5 year average but given the measures in place it makes absolutele sense. But given the disciplinary threats made against doctors it is reasonable to ask if they played safe? What are you talking about!" They were threatened with disciplinary measures if they failed to spit a coronavirus case. But not if they missed a flu case What incentivisation does that set up? | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. " All, indeed any of those points makes them an anti-vaxer; even though they are not protesting or vehemently outspoken about their beliefs. Their actions are anti-vaccine (with an exception of those that actually have a condition that increases their risk by having it). | |||
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"They must be very rare,as they say 80% of adults have been vaxed so the 20 left can't all be politically active. So what's the problem Just because a person has chosen not to have the vaccine does not make them an "anti vaxer" It is not about them having a "problem" as you suggest. They may have many reasons why they haven't yet had the vaccine... They could be not all that bright and easily swayed by propaganda. They may be scared of needles. They may be scared because someone they know or have heard of has had nasty side effects from vaccine. They may be young and think they are invincible. They may consider the vaccine "experimental" and not adequately tested on humans. Ect ect. .. Coronavirus has bought out the judge in a great many people. " this | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. Do you realise it’s actually a tweaked version of the flu jab? Perhaps watch someone you love die then you may have a different opinion, very much personal choice but let’s hope those that refused a vaccine don’t need hospital treatment after all science has created all medicines we have and a one point all vaccines have been new! But the death rate isn't much worse than a bad season of flu, is it? And flu has almost disappeared! Which raises the question of whether some deaths are misrecorded. A perfectly reasonable question...but one which the media hardly ever raises Firstly it is much higher than a bad flu season and secondly flu did not disappear! Hospitalisations and deaths from flu last year where a lot less than the average year but seeing as we were in lockdown for the vast majority of the flu season and uptake of people taking the flu vaccine was a record high so it's hardly surprising. I didn't say flu HAD disappeared. I said it had almost disappeared" It’s almost disappeared thanks to vaccines!!! | |||
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"At the other end of the spectrum it's amazing so many people would line up to take a highly experimental gene therapy vaccine with only emergency approval and no long term safety data. They are also actively pushing this vaccine on pregnant women with absolutely no idea of the consequences. Insane. Do you realise it’s actually a tweaked version of the flu jab? Perhaps watch someone you love die then you may have a different opinion, very much personal choice but let’s hope those that refused a vaccine don’t need hospital treatment after all science has created all medicines we have and a one point all vaccines have been new! But the death rate isn't much worse than a bad season of flu, is it? And flu has almost disappeared! Which raises the question of whether some deaths are misrecorded. A perfectly reasonable question...but one which the media hardly ever raises Firstly it is much higher than a bad flu season and secondly flu did not disappear! Hospitalisations and deaths from flu last year where a lot less than the average year but seeing as we were in lockdown for the vast majority of the flu season and uptake of people taking the flu vaccine was a record high so it's hardly surprising. I didn't say flu HAD disappeared. I said it had almost disappeared It’s almost disappeared thanks to vaccines!!!" This Last year saw the highest uptake ever by quite some considerable amount.
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