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"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press?" A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well." Well put | |||
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"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well." So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? | |||
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"A friend of mine did a stint at a national newspaper. I have no reason to doubt his veracity of what he told me. Monday mornings kicked off very early, with most of the office team summoned to the boardroom. The Grand Chief Poo-Bah, with the troops thus assembled would then address the entourage. "How do we want to make people feel this week ?" The floor was then opened, and anyone and everyone could pitch an emotion, but had to back it up with subject. Eg... "Rage. Let's run a story on refugees crossing the channel" "Happy. Let's talk about venues opening up for people to have fun" "Fear. Let's run something on supermarket shortages, big it up with driver shortages, add some shots of empty shelves." This is literally how this particular newspaper operated their Monday Briefings. I have no Doubt, Mere competitors did the same." Agree | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well." Enablers of atrocities don't escape the reaches of the law. To seek to ignore much of a complex situation leaves us as ignorant as ever - when our evolved intelligence is wasted. I don't know the details of this media outlet and what they may have done but assume that it may have been significant, to warrant them making such an apology. It may be to try to escape from or lessen, some future damages. | |||
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"There needs to be a similar apology from the UK media. They have ruined themselves. They have destroyed trust " At which point do you think they were actually trusted? Particularly the online (ex)print media. Though the BBC has not covered itself in glory the last few years, on many fronts. | |||
"There needs to be a similar apology from the UK media. They have ruined themselves. They have destroyed trust At which point do you think they were actually trusted? Particularly the online (ex)print media. Though the BBC has not covered itself in glory the last few years, on many fronts." I think from very early on when it became clear that the death rate was far lower than had been claimed and people could see that was not spread evenly across the population. Yes, I too distrusted the BBC before coronavirus but think they have since made things worse for themselves. It worries me when people can't trust the media but that is where we are | |||
"A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well." From my understanding they did not apologize for the violence. But for making people feel like violence could happen them, ot the virus made them dangerous etc. Basically they are saying "yeah the kray twins commit crime but we are sorry for making it feel like they were outside every old persons home in the country waiting to murder them" | |||
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"What little respect I had for the BBC before the pandemic has gone - they have truly become the mouthpiece of the Government. Channel 4, the FT and the Guardian have made a decent fist of reporting. The Government are after Channel 4 now. No The rest of them have now relationship with fair news reporting. " | |||
"What little respect I had for the BBC before the pandemic has gone - they have truly become the mouthpiece of the Government. Channel 4, the FT and the Guardian have made a decent fist of reporting. The Government are after Channel 4 now. The rest of them have now relationship with fair news reporting. " let’s not forget the amount of money spent by the government on the media to spin out the daily fear narratives ! Money talks and it certainly talked in the last 17 months ! | |||
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"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well." The environment someone is raised in certainly contributes though, look at almost every serial killer. All have the exact same childhood of neglect, it's almost a carbon copy in most cases. | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well.The environment someone is raised in certainly contributes though, look at almost every serial killer. All have the exact same childhood of neglect, it's almost a carbon copy in most cases. " The uk press has been spot on. | |||
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"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors?" Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. | |||
"I'll never forgive them for an advert they ran in 1936, "Don't be stupid be a smarty come and join the Nazi party"." Gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the publication, along with those who run it, those who write it and those who read it weren't around in 1936 and therefore the values of said publication may have changed somewhat since then. | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought." Agreed | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Agreed" I don't believe people are evil, but I do believe that people are violent by nature. It actually requires a brain capable of more than basic instincts to overcome our more primitive motivations. Anyone who has had kids will understand that violence and disagreement only requires the slightest spark to be set off. | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought." Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think. | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think." See also, Covid only hurts the old and vulnerable, and/or "I'm only meeting my friends, they won't give me Covid" Viruses don't give a shit about our ideas about morality. (In fact to say that viruses give a shit or not is inappropriately anthropomorphising) | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think. See also, Covid only hurts the old and vulnerable, and/or "I'm only meeting my friends, they won't give me Covid" Viruses don't give a shit about our ideas about morality. (In fact to say that viruses give a shit or not is inappropriately anthropomorphising)" But tiny brains like to think that what they choose to do can affect such things. | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think. See also, Covid only hurts the old and vulnerable, and/or "I'm only meeting my friends, they won't give me Covid" Viruses don't give a shit about our ideas about morality. (In fact to say that viruses give a shit or not is inappropriately anthropomorphising) But tiny brains like to think that what they choose to do can affect such things." I think it's very human. I think we all do it. I have to take a step back sometimes and have a word with myself 
Unfortunately those who don't know better for whatever reason - their behaviour has real effects. Because you can catch and spread viruses even if you're an upstanding citizen. Your friends can and will be a source of infection.
... It's very hard to compartmentalise, particularly something so overarching like our innate sense of morality. | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think. See also, Covid only hurts the old and vulnerable, and/or "I'm only meeting my friends, they won't give me Covid" Viruses don't give a shit about our ideas about morality. (In fact to say that viruses give a shit or not is inappropriately anthropomorphising) But tiny brains like to think that what they choose to do can affect such things. I think it's very human. I think we all do it. I have to take a step back sometimes and have a word with myself
Unfortunately those who don't know better for whatever reason - their behaviour has real effects. Because you can catch and spread viruses even if you're an upstanding citizen. Your friends can and will be a source of infection.
... It's very hard to compartmentalise, particularly something so overarching like our innate sense of morality."True, it's the basis for superstition and religion after all. | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think. See also, Covid only hurts the old and vulnerable, and/or "I'm only meeting my friends, they won't give me Covid" Viruses don't give a shit about our ideas about morality. (In fact to say that viruses give a shit or not is inappropriately anthropomorphising) But tiny brains like to think that what they choose to do can affect such things. I think it's very human. I think we all do it. I have to take a step back sometimes and have a word with myself
Unfortunately those who don't know better for whatever reason - their behaviour has real effects. Because you can catch and spread viruses even if you're an upstanding citizen. Your friends can and will be a source of infection.
... It's very hard to compartmentalise, particularly something so overarching like our innate sense of morality.
True, it's the basis for superstition and religion after all."Yes. We just try to do better where we can. | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think. See also, Covid only hurts the old and vulnerable, and/or "I'm only meeting my friends, they won't give me Covid" Viruses don't give a shit about our ideas about morality. (In fact to say that viruses give a shit or not is inappropriately anthropomorphising) But tiny brains like to think that what they choose to do can affect such things. I think it's very human. I think we all do it. I have to take a step back sometimes and have a word with myself
Unfortunately those who don't know better for whatever reason - their behaviour has real effects. Because you can catch and spread viruses even if you're an upstanding citizen. Your friends can and will be a source of infection.
... It's very hard to compartmentalise, particularly something so overarching like our innate sense of morality.
True, it's the basis for superstition and religion after all.
Yes. We just try to do better where we can."Including those who consider other points of view and are suspicious of the official narrative? | |||
" So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? " If newspapers could not influence people, rich powerful men would have no interest in owning newspapers. | |||
" So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? If newspapers could not influence people, rich powerful men would have no interest in owning newspapers. " Quite. There's a reason that media advertising is in the billions also. | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think. See also, Covid only hurts the old and vulnerable, and/or "I'm only meeting my friends, they won't give me Covid" Viruses don't give a shit about our ideas about morality. (In fact to say that viruses give a shit or not is inappropriately anthropomorphising) But tiny brains like to think that what they choose to do can affect such things. I think it's very human. I think we all do it. I have to take a step back sometimes and have a word with myself
Unfortunately those who don't know better for whatever reason - their behaviour has real effects. Because you can catch and spread viruses even if you're an upstanding citizen. Your friends can and will be a source of infection.
... It's very hard to compartmentalise, particularly something so overarching like our innate sense of morality.
True, it's the basis for superstition and religion after all.
Yes. We just try to do better where we can.
Including those who consider other points of view and are suspicious of the official narrative?
"Considering other points of view and being suspicious of the official narrative is a healthy stance. Let's face it, even if the actions of Government are, on the whole, for the benefit of the public, they do not always tell the whole story or expose all the data they have. That being said, you have to consider these other views critically and base your decisions on their merit. When a single voice is taking the opposite stance to many others, I would look very carefully at that single voice. What are their credentials in the subject, what do they have to gain from their stance etc. Many of the sources that have been quoted across social media in recent years really do not stand up to that scrutiny. Being suspicious of the mainstream message, does not mean you have to run straight into the hands of the cranks and trouble makers around the edges either. | |||
"What little respect I had for the BBC before the pandemic has gone - they have truly become the mouthpiece of the Government. Channel 4, the FT and the Guardian have made a decent fist of reporting. The Government are after Channel 4 now. The rest of them have now relationship with fair news reporting. " The BBC were formed to be the mouthpiece of the government. The managerial board are appointed by the government of the day.. As founder Lord Reith wrote in his diary: “They know they can trust us not to be really impartial.” | |||
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" So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? If newspapers could not influence people, rich powerful men would have no interest in owning newspapers. " And running them at massive losses. | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think. See also, Covid only hurts the old and vulnerable, and/or "I'm only meeting my friends, they won't give me Covid" Viruses don't give a shit about our ideas about morality. (In fact to say that viruses give a shit or not is inappropriately anthropomorphising) But tiny brains like to think that what they choose to do can affect such things. I think it's very human. I think we all do it. I have to take a step back sometimes and have a word with myself
Unfortunately those who don't know better for whatever reason - their behaviour has real effects. Because you can catch and spread viruses even if you're an upstanding citizen. Your friends can and will be a source of infection.
... It's very hard to compartmentalise, particularly something so overarching like our innate sense of morality.
True, it's the basis for superstition and religion after all.
Yes. We just try to do better where we can.
Including those who consider other points of view and are suspicious of the official narrative?
Considering other points of view and being suspicious of the official narrative is a healthy stance.
Let's face it, even if the actions of Government are, on the whole, for the benefit of the public, they do not always tell the whole story or expose all the data they have.
That being said, you have to consider these other views critically and base your decisions on their merit.
When a single voice is taking the opposite stance to many others, I would look very carefully at that single voice.
What are their credentials in the subject, what do they have to gain from their stance etc.
Many of the sources that have been quoted across social media in recent years really do not stand up to that scrutiny.
Being suspicious of the mainstream message, does not mean you have to run straight into the hands of the cranks and trouble makers around the edges either."But some do ask intelligent questions... unlike much of BBC output | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think. See also, Covid only hurts the old and vulnerable, and/or "I'm only meeting my friends, they won't give me Covid" Viruses don't give a shit about our ideas about morality. (In fact to say that viruses give a shit or not is inappropriately anthropomorphising) But tiny brains like to think that what they choose to do can affect such things. I think it's very human. I think we all do it. I have to take a step back sometimes and have a word with myself
Unfortunately those who don't know better for whatever reason - their behaviour has real effects. Because you can catch and spread viruses even if you're an upstanding citizen. Your friends can and will be a source of infection.
... It's very hard to compartmentalise, particularly something so overarching like our innate sense of morality.
True, it's the basis for superstition and religion after all.
Yes. We just try to do better where we can.
Including those who consider other points of view and are suspicious of the official narrative?
Considering other points of view and being suspicious of the official narrative is a healthy stance.
Let's face it, even if the actions of Government are, on the whole, for the benefit of the public, they do not always tell the whole story or expose all the data they have.
That being said, you have to consider these other views critically and base your decisions on their merit.
When a single voice is taking the opposite stance to many others, I would look very carefully at that single voice.
What are their credentials in the subject, what do they have to gain from their stance etc.
Many of the sources that have been quoted across social media in recent years really do not stand up to that scrutiny.
Being suspicious of the mainstream message, does not mean you have to run straight into the hands of the cranks and trouble makers around the edges either.
But some do ask intelligent questions... unlike much of BBC output"As there are multiple sources of "alternative views", so there are multiple sources for conventional views. I don't rely on the BBC at all. I look at arguments on their merits, I have no idea the motivation or reasoning behind them, to answer your earlier question. | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think. See also, Covid only hurts the old and vulnerable, and/or "I'm only meeting my friends, they won't give me Covid" Viruses don't give a shit about our ideas about morality. (In fact to say that viruses give a shit or not is inappropriately anthropomorphising) But tiny brains like to think that what they choose to do can affect such things. I think it's very human. I think we all do it. I have to take a step back sometimes and have a word with myself
Unfortunately those who don't know better for whatever reason - their behaviour has real effects. Because you can catch and spread viruses even if you're an upstanding citizen. Your friends can and will be a source of infection.
... It's very hard to compartmentalise, particularly something so overarching like our innate sense of morality.
True, it's the basis for superstition and religion after all.
Yes. We just try to do better where we can.
Including those who consider other points of view and are suspicious of the official narrative?
Considering other points of view and being suspicious of the official narrative is a healthy stance.
Let's face it, even if the actions of Government are, on the whole, for the benefit of the public, they do not always tell the whole story or expose all the data they have.
That being said, you have to consider these other views critically and base your decisions on their merit.
When a single voice is taking the opposite stance to many others, I would look very carefully at that single voice.
What are their credentials in the subject, what do they have to gain from their stance etc.
Many of the sources that have been quoted across social media in recent years really do not stand up to that scrutiny.
Being suspicious of the mainstream message, does not mean you have to run straight into the hands of the cranks and trouble makers around the edges either.
But some do ask intelligent questions... unlike much of BBC output
As there are multiple sources of "alternative views", so there are multiple sources for conventional views. I don't rely on the BBC at all.
I look at arguments on their merits, I have no idea the motivation or reasoning behind them, to answer your earlier question."How can people 'assess the arguments on their merits' when they are not aware of all the information available? This the media is well placed to keep people in the dark. It is assisted by simpletons who bleat 'conspiracy theorist' whenever someone tells them something they were unaware of | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think. See also, Covid only hurts the old and vulnerable, and/or "I'm only meeting my friends, they won't give me Covid" Viruses don't give a shit about our ideas about morality. (In fact to say that viruses give a shit or not is inappropriately anthropomorphising) But tiny brains like to think that what they choose to do can affect such things. I think it's very human. I think we all do it. I have to take a step back sometimes and have a word with myself
Unfortunately those who don't know better for whatever reason - their behaviour has real effects. Because you can catch and spread viruses even if you're an upstanding citizen. Your friends can and will be a source of infection.
... It's very hard to compartmentalise, particularly something so overarching like our innate sense of morality.
True, it's the basis for superstition and religion after all.
Yes. We just try to do better where we can.
Including those who consider other points of view and are suspicious of the official narrative?"There is scepticism and then there is wilfully ignoring all information that doesnt confirm what i want to be true. It is quite possible this virus escaped from the wuhan lab but that doesnt mean this is part of a global conspiracy etc... anti-vaxers cling to all sorts of wild shit because they just dont like what has happened and is happening. | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think. See also, Covid only hurts the old and vulnerable, and/or "I'm only meeting my friends, they won't give me Covid" Viruses don't give a shit about our ideas about morality. (In fact to say that viruses give a shit or not is inappropriately anthropomorphising) But tiny brains like to think that what they choose to do can affect such things. I think it's very human. I think we all do it. I have to take a step back sometimes and have a word with myself
Unfortunately those who don't know better for whatever reason - their behaviour has real effects. Because you can catch and spread viruses even if you're an upstanding citizen. Your friends can and will be a source of infection.
... It's very hard to compartmentalise, particularly something so overarching like our innate sense of morality.
True, it's the basis for superstition and religion after all.
Yes. We just try to do better where we can.
Including those who consider other points of view and are suspicious of the official narrative?
Considering other points of view and being suspicious of the official narrative is a healthy stance.
Let's face it, even if the actions of Government are, on the whole, for the benefit of the public, they do not always tell the whole story or expose all the data they have.
That being said, you have to consider these other views critically and base your decisions on their merit.
When a single voice is taking the opposite stance to many others, I would look very carefully at that single voice.
What are their credentials in the subject, what do they have to gain from their stance etc.
Many of the sources that have been quoted across social media in recent years really do not stand up to that scrutiny.
Being suspicious of the mainstream message, does not mean you have to run straight into the hands of the cranks and trouble makers around the edges either.
But some do ask intelligent questions... unlike much of BBC output
As there are multiple sources of "alternative views", so there are multiple sources for conventional views. I don't rely on the BBC at all.
I look at arguments on their merits, I have no idea the motivation or reasoning behind them, to answer your earlier question.
How can people 'assess the arguments on their merits' when they are not aware of all the information available?
This the media is well placed to keep people in the dark.
It is assisted by simpletons who bleat 'conspiracy theorist' whenever someone tells them something they were unaware of"Indeed, this last one also. Bare in mind all the other things central government (CG) has covered up/lied about until they couldn't any more. Foot and mouth, remember that? CG bought up all of the spent railway sleepers about 3 months before the foot and mouth epidemic "broke out", they knew about it brewing. This government is inept, I heard about covid in November '19, why hadn't the government. Covid, its a big excuse to control us, test how easily lead we all are. This is just tracking a cold. People died, people die every day. sorry for your loss, I'm sorry for mine. are these your droids? Move along, move along | |||
" Bare in mind all the other things central government (CG) has covered up/lied about until they couldn't any more. Foot and mouth, remember that? CG bought up all of the spent railway sleepers about 3 months before the foot and mouth epidemic "broke out", they knew about it brewing. This government is inept, I heard about covid in November '19, why hadn't the government. Covid, its a big excuse to control us, test how easily lead we all are. This is just tracking a cold. People died, people die every day. sorry for your loss, I'm sorry for mine. are these your droids? Move along, move along " It always amuses me that people really believe that our Capitalist government are actively "controlling" people into reducing the country's tax income whilst simultaneously increasing the country's spending.... seems a bit of a daft plan to me. Cal | |||
"Popular German daily newspaper has publicly apologised to the public for its coverage of the covid pandemic which has made them “victims of violence, neglect, isolation and loneliness. Sorry for this policy and media coverage which like poison made you feel like you were a mortal danger to society” What do we think? Similar statement to come from the uk press? A newspaper, or anyone/anything else, claiming to apologise for violence is taking virtue signalling to new. heights. Violence is caused by violent people. Abusers, who abuse. Who always will, when there are people queuing up to make excuses for them and say it's not their fault, something else or someone else made them do it. It's like blaming 'their environment' for the Kray twins' behaviour. It never explains why the whole street weren't top gangsters as well. So you believe that people exist in a vacuum and aren't influenced by their expoeriences and what they see, hear, read etc? Do you believe people are inherently violent from birth rather than being a product of a multitude of factors? Some people just want to believe others are "evil" and other nonsense tropes because it's simpler to process and requires no critical thought. Absolutely, I'm sure they believe in the whole just world fallacy too, mnakes it easier not to think. See also, Covid only hurts the old and vulnerable, and/or "I'm only meeting my friends, they won't give me Covid" Viruses don't give a shit about our ideas about morality. (In fact to say that viruses give a shit or not is inappropriately anthropomorphising) But tiny brains like to think that what they choose to do can affect such things. I think it's very human. I think we all do it. I have to take a step back sometimes and have a word with myself
Unfortunately those who don't know better for whatever reason - their behaviour has real effects. Because you can catch and spread viruses even if you're an upstanding citizen. Your friends can and will be a source of infection.
... It's very hard to compartmentalise, particularly something so overarching like our innate sense of morality.
True, it's the basis for superstition and religion after all.
Yes. We just try to do better where we can.
Including those who consider other points of view and are suspicious of the official narrative?
Considering other points of view and being suspicious of the official narrative is a healthy stance.
Let's face it, even if the actions of Government are, on the whole, for the benefit of the public, they do not always tell the whole story or expose all the data they have.
That being said, you have to consider these other views critically and base your decisions on their merit.
When a single voice is taking the opposite stance to many others, I would look very carefully at that single voice.
What are their credentials in the subject, what do they have to gain from their stance etc.
Many of the sources that have been quoted across social media in recent years really do not stand up to that scrutiny.
Being suspicious of the mainstream message, does not mean you have to run straight into the hands of the cranks and trouble makers around the edges either.
But some do ask intelligent questions... unlike much of BBC output
As there are multiple sources of "alternative views", so there are multiple sources for conventional views. I don't rely on the BBC at all.
I look at arguments on their merits, I have no idea the motivation or reasoning behind them, to answer your earlier question.
How can people 'assess the arguments on their merits' when they are not aware of all the information available?
This the media is well placed to keep people in the dark.
It is assisted by simpletons who bleat 'conspiracy theorist' whenever someone tells them something they were unaware of
Indeed, this last one also.
Bare in mind all the other things central government (CG) has covered up/lied about until they couldn't any more. Foot and mouth, remember that? CG bought up all of the spent railway sleepers about 3 months before the foot and mouth epidemic "broke out", they knew about it brewing.
This government is inept, I heard about covid in November '19, why hadn't the government.
Covid, its a big excuse to control us, test how easily lead we all are. This is just tracking a cold.
People died, people die every day. sorry for your loss, I'm sorry for mine. are these your droids? Move along, move along "it must be the same crystal ball that Neil Ferguson used for predicting the foot and mouth outbreak as he did for the virus. And we all know the advice that was given to the government at that time (mass culling !) | |||
"There needs to be a similar apology from the UK media. They have ruined themselves. They have destroyed trust" Print media has rarely printed anything trustworthy either now or in the past!! | |||
