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"No 'double jab' no entry." It is looking that way? | |||
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"No 'double jab' no entry. It is looking that way?" Come September. | |||
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"No 'double jab' no entry." Chams are asking for proof of vaccine or negative twat result registered on gov.uk website | |||
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"No 'double jab' no entry. Chams are asking for proof of vaccine or negative twat result registered on gov.uk website " New announcement from the PM today | |||
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"No 'double jab' no entry. Chams are asking for proof of vaccine or negative twat result registered on gov.uk website New announcement from the PM today" Oppps  | |||
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"No problem for us - both had our second jabs 6 weeks ago. Possible problem for some of the younger people though." They said from September to give people a chance to be double jabbed | |||
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"Both double jabbed so front entrance for us "You don't take it up the back door then? | |||
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"Both double jabbed so front entrance for us
You don't take it up the back door then? "I take it in the front and the back. Bring it on | |||
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"Both double jabbed so front entrance for us
You don't take it up the back door then?
I take it in the front and the back. Bring it on "Swingy  | |||
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"Both double jabbed so front entrance for us
You don't take it up the back door then?
I take it in the front and the back. Bring it on
Swingy "What?  | |||
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"Both double jabbed so front entrance for us
You don't take it up the back door then?
I take it in the front and the back. Bring it on
Swingy
What? "Haha outrageous. I'm double jabbed now just saying  | |||
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"Both double jabbed so front entrance for us
You don't take it up the back door then?
I take it in the front and the back. Bring it on
Swingy
What?
Haha outrageous. I'm double jabbed now just saying " | |||
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"Both double jabbed so front entrance for us
You don't take it up the back door then?
I take it in the front and the back. Bring it on
Swingy
What?
Haha outrageous. I'm double jabbed now just saying "Double jab her of a different kind | |||
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"Both double jabbed so front entrance for us
You don't take it up the back door then?
I take it in the front and the back. Bring it on
Swingy
What?
Haha outrageous. I'm double jabbed now just saying
Double jab her of a different kind " | |||
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"Both double jabbed so front entrance for us
You don't take it up the back door then?
I take it in the front and the back. Bring it on
Swingy
What?
Haha outrageous. I'm double jabbed now just saying
Double jab her of a different kind "But I'm I'm angelic gentleman | |||
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"Both double jabbed so front entrance for us
You don't take it up the back door then?
I take it in the front and the back. Bring it on
Swingy
What?
Haha outrageous. I'm double jabbed now just saying
Double jab her of a different kind
But I'm I'm angelic gentleman " | |||
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"No 'double jab' no entry. Chams are asking for proof of vaccine or negative twat result registered on gov.uk website New announcement from the PM today" Well this sounds ominous | |||
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"This is the best part of the unlocking and hope clubs see it as an opportunity to increase visitors by bringing it in asap instead of waiting until it’s mandatory. We’d planned for so long to visit VA but have decided to cancel because of the rise in numbers. Despite both being double-vax’d we can’t expect everyone else to be (or even be honest about it)" Such a mandate will hasten my return | |||
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"This is the easiest way to get over 18s vaccinated before they go on mass travels to uni and become super spreaders again" I wonder if such requirements are *designed* to help cautious people like me out of the house. If there are checks in place, I'm more likely to go out and spend money. | |||
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"Both double jabbed so front entrance for us
You don't take it up the back door then?
I take it in the front and the back. Bring it on
Swingy
What?
Haha outrageous. I'm double jabbed now just saying
Double jab her of a different kind
But I'm I'm angelic gentleman
"What are you trying to say ?? | |||
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"They couldn't let the freedom day lot enjoy a full day without news of restrictions being needed " The timing of the announcement is interesting | |||
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"This is the easiest way to get over 18s vaccinated before they go on mass travels to uni and become super spreaders again" They're telling under 18s they need to be jabbed to do PlayStation, the queue is around the corner  | |||
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"We're old farts, both had both. " I think the majority of swingers fall in the over 30's demographic. So the chances of being double jabbed is at the higher end. Swinging clubs asking Proof of vaccinations arnt really loosing out on much custom, in fact they are probably encouraging more swingers to attend their clubs, that otherwise wouldn't. Also they might be reduceding their chances of having to close again because they are self isolating due to someones who's attended the club recently has tested positive. | |||
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"We're old farts, both had both. I think the majority of swingers fall in the over 30's demographic. So the chances of being double jabbed is at the higher end. Swinging clubs asking Proof of vaccinations arnt really loosing out on much custom, in fact they are probably encouraging more swingers to attend their clubs, that otherwise wouldn't. Also they might be reduceding their chances of having to close again because they are self isolating due to someones who's attended the club recently has tested positive. " Depends on the percentage in the contrarian camp who aren't vaccinated, I suppose | |||
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"This is the easiest way to get over 18s vaccinated before they go on mass travels to uni and become super spreaders again" Exactly. | |||
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"It's sensible for clubs to help to keep their customers healthy. " Guessing they will be asking for a clear sti test as well? | |||
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"It's sensible for clubs to help to keep their customers healthy. Guessing they will be asking for a clear sti test as well?" That is totally different because people have a choice as to whether they wrap up or not. | |||
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"We're old farts, both had both. I think the majority of swingers fall in the over 30's demographic. So the chances of being double jabbed is at the higher end. Swinging clubs asking Proof of vaccinations arnt really loosing out on much custom, in fact they are probably encouraging more swingers to attend their clubs, that otherwise wouldn't. Also they might be reduceding their chances of having to close again because they are self isolating due to someones who's attended the club recently has tested positive. Depends on the percentage in the contrarian camp who aren't vaccinated, I suppose" I think the percentage is probably quite small in the 30 plus. | |||
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"Yay I'm double jabbed as of Saturday. Bring it on "Best go buy biscuits  | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body?" You don’t have to have it | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body?" I don't think it was ever a coherent or consistent policy. A bit like how some are protesting today that their freedom depends on banning face coverings. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body?" Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still." No. This is the popular misconception. Not everybody has the choice. Some people are unable to be vaccinated even if they'd really rather they were. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still." But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. No. This is the popular misconception. Not everybody has the choice. Some people are unable to be vaccinated even if they'd really rather they were. " I do understand that however it is less than 1% of the adult population. I do hope provision is put in place for these people. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me." Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. | |||
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"No 'double jab' no entry." Haha... Looks like a huge explosion of private parties springing up for the rest of us. Happy days!! | |||
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"Yay I'm double jabbed as of Saturday. Bring it on
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. No. This is the popular misconception. Not everybody has the choice. Some people are unable to be vaccinated even if they'd really rather they were. " I believe mention was made of exemptions issued by doctors. So they'll be protected and not disadvantaged for their medical vulnerability. In data on medical exemptions (from the US) these things seem to be under 0.1%. So we open the economy and protect the tiny minority who most need our protection, and allow them the life back that this pandemic has denied, more than it has the rest of us. | |||
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"Im only 1 jab in so far and only got it a few weeks ago. I am very low risk so i understand the delay in me getting it as others would have been prioritised before me. As such, I am still very cautious about returning to normal until I have my 2nd jab. I dont think everyone would do as i do sadly. As far as i am aware there is no way to check if someone has had 2 jabs as this is private information and subject to data protection but again, i could be wrong. I dont know enough about that side of it" In England there's the NHS app, which you can show to reveal that you've had the jabs. I believe other nations are looking at an app or you can have letters or cards issued. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me." Always been the case, always will be. If I don't get a visa I can't travel abroad. If I don't prove my age I might not be able to buy alcohol (although less of a problem nowadays). If you don't take your shoes off you can't come in my house. You have freedom but that applies equally to businesses and other individuals, they have the freedom too. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Always been the case, always will be. If I don't get a visa I can't travel abroad. If I don't prove my age I might not be able to buy alcohol (although less of a problem nowadays). If you don't take your shoes off you can't come in my house. You have freedom but that applies equally to businesses and other individuals, they have the freedom too. " You live in a society, there are laws. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. " Oh dear, you have no idea where this is all going. They now realise in France & Spain which is why they are going crazy in the streets. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. Oh dear, you have no idea where this is all going. They now realise in France & Spain which is why they are going crazy in the streets. " If you think we're in the dark about something important, then why don't you explain? | |||
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"Yay I'm double jabbed as of Saturday. Bring it on
Best go buy biscuits
Yes you best "Bought Get driving | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. " And none of those can be compared to vaccine which now the govt has decreed you must have in order to work in certain industries and will shortly order you to have in order to have any semblance of "freedom." Nobody is allowed to voice any opinions other than the accepted one nor are they allowed to voice any legitimate personal concerns. We are now at the "shut up and drink the Kool Aid" part. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. And none of those can be compared to vaccine which now the govt has decreed you must have in order to work in certain industries and will shortly order you to have in order to have any semblance of "freedom." Nobody is allowed to voice any opinions other than the accepted one nor are they allowed to voice any legitimate personal concerns. We are now at the "shut up and drink the Kool Aid" part." Who here has said you can't voice a different opinion? Of course you can voice it and of course people can disagree with you. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. And none of those can be compared to vaccine which now the govt has decreed you must have in order to work in certain industries and will shortly order you to have in order to have any semblance of "freedom." Nobody is allowed to voice any opinions other than the accepted one nor are they allowed to voice any legitimate personal concerns. We are now at the "shut up and drink the Kool Aid" part." All so you have plenty of freedom if you choose not to have the vaccination it is only night clubs that are being proposed that you would need to have double vaccinations for. Also I hate to break it to you but many people with disabilities are excluded from loads of different places. It has been mandatory in many health care for for years to have certain vaccines so I dont see how this is any different. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. Oh dear, you have no idea where this is all going. They now realise in France & Spain which is why they are going crazy in the streets. If you think we're in the dark about something important, then why don't you explain?" You've got to be joking! All the lazy "conspiracy theorist" and "anti vaxer" robots start replicating. As usual all those who know, - the silent majority - converse via private message. | |||
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"No 'double jab' no entry." Many ladies on the site are employing the same policy. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. Oh dear, you have no idea where this is all going. They now realise in France & Spain which is why they are going crazy in the streets. If you think we're in the dark about something important, then why don't you explain? You've got to be joking! All the lazy "conspiracy theorist" and "anti vaxer" robots start replicating. As usual all those who know, - the silent majority - converse via private message. " Huh? | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. Oh dear, you have no idea where this is all going. They now realise in France & Spain which is why they are going crazy in the streets. If you think we're in the dark about something important, then why don't you explain? You've got to be joking! All the lazy "conspiracy theorist" and "anti vaxer" robots start replicating. As usual all those who know, - the silent majority - converse via private message. " I'm sorry? I'm asking you to explain this secret you're apparently in on. I didn't call you names. If there's an emergency big enough to cause civil unrest, why would you not share it? | |||
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"This is the easiest way to get over 18s vaccinated before they go on mass travels to uni and become super spreaders again They're telling under 18s they need to be jabbed to do PlayStation, the queue is around the corner "It’d be the same if they said it put 2” on your length and an inch on your girth | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. No. This is the popular misconception. Not everybody has the choice. Some people are unable to be vaccinated even if they'd really rather they were. " This is true, but I've seen some of these people interviewed on the news and they don't seem to be too keen on returning back to normal and start going out night clubing anytime soon, so on that's basies I don't think they'd be coming to swinging clubs either. | |||
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"This is a bullshit scare tatic to get every young person to jab up, 100% think he'll u-turn end of Aug" How is it? 90% of the adult population have already had at one jab. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. And none of those can be compared to vaccine which now the govt has decreed you must have in order to work in certain industries and will shortly order you to have in order to have any semblance of "freedom." Nobody is allowed to voice any opinions other than the accepted one nor are they allowed to voice any legitimate personal concerns. We are now at the "shut up and drink the Kool Aid" part. All so you have plenty of freedom if you choose not to have the vaccination it is only night clubs that are being proposed that you would need to have double vaccinations for. Also I hate to break it to you but many people with disabilities are excluded from loads of different places. It has been mandatory in many health care for for years to have certain vaccines so I dont see how this is any different. " Nightclubs are likely just the start. Recent history has proven time and time again that given an inch in good faith by the public the government will soon take the mile. This could well be the start of a very slippery slope and the implications are quite terrifying in terms of personal freedoms and liberties. In terms of mandatory vaccines for health care workers, this is a brand new vaccine for a brand new disease. It has been allowed to bypass the usual time periods etc for testing. It is not unreasonable for people to be sceptical or cautious. But it seems like these rational concerns are oft dismissed with a lazy "Anti Vaxxer" label. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. And none of those can be compared to vaccine which now the govt has decreed you must have in order to work in certain industries and will shortly order you to have in order to have any semblance of "freedom." Nobody is allowed to voice any opinions other than the accepted one nor are they allowed to voice any legitimate personal concerns. We are now at the "shut up and drink the Kool Aid" part. All so you have plenty of freedom if you choose not to have the vaccination it is only night clubs that are being proposed that you would need to have double vaccinations for. Also I hate to break it to you but many people with disabilities are excluded from loads of different places. It has been mandatory in many health care for for years to have certain vaccines so I dont see how this is any different. Nightclubs are likely just the start. Recent history has proven time and time again that given an inch in good faith by the public the government will soon take the mile. This could well be the start of a very slippery slope and the implications are quite terrifying in terms of personal freedoms and liberties. In terms of mandatory vaccines for health care workers, this is a brand new vaccine for a brand new disease. It has been allowed to bypass the usual time periods etc for testing. It is not unreasonable for people to be sceptical or cautious. But it seems like these rational concerns are oft dismissed with a lazy "Anti Vaxxer" label." Well seeing as 90% of the adult population in the UK have had at least one jab it won't be a problem for the vast the majority. | |||
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"This is a bullshit scare tatic to get every young person to jab up, 100% think he'll u-turn end of Aug How is it? 90% of the adult population have already had at one jab. " Lots of under under 30s are not getting it because they think they think they don't need it, so take away one of the things most of them love the most (clubs) and hey presto... they will all start getting it.... I'm double jabbed, but this is morrally wrong. People should have the choice | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. And none of those can be compared to vaccine which now the govt has decreed you must have in order to work in certain industries and will shortly order you to have in order to have any semblance of "freedom." Nobody is allowed to voice any opinions other than the accepted one nor are they allowed to voice any legitimate personal concerns. We are now at the "shut up and drink the Kool Aid" part. All so you have plenty of freedom if you choose not to have the vaccination it is only night clubs that are being proposed that you would need to have double vaccinations for. Also I hate to break it to you but many people with disabilities are excluded from loads of different places. It has been mandatory in many health care for for years to have certain vaccines so I dont see how this is any different. Nightclubs are likely just the start. Recent history has proven time and time again that given an inch in good faith by the public the government will soon take the mile. This could well be the start of a very slippery slope and the implications are quite terrifying in terms of personal freedoms and liberties. In terms of mandatory vaccines for health care workers, this is a brand new vaccine for a brand new disease. It has been allowed to bypass the usual time periods etc for testing. It is not unreasonable for people to be sceptical or cautious. But it seems like these rational concerns are oft dismissed with a lazy "Anti Vaxxer" label." Exactly. People have been totally duped into labelling anyone who thinks for themselves anti vaxxers. It’s incredible how easily so many have been brainwashed into this. Anyone has any concerns about it and they get bill gates 5g stuff thrown at them. We are on an unbelievably slippery slope and many people are literally cheering it on. I used to wonder how in periods of history authoritarian governments got enough of the public onside. Now I can see, you just scare them and they fall into line. Kiss your medical autonomy goodbye folks, and stupidly believe this is all about looking after you, and the greater good. | |||
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"This is a bullshit scare tatic to get every young person to jab up, 100% think he'll u-turn end of Aug How is it? 90% of the adult population have already had at one jab. Lots of under under 30s are not getting it because they think they think they don't need it, so take away one of the things most of them love the most (clubs) and hey presto... they will all start getting it.... I'm double jabbed, but this is morrally wrong. People should have the choice" People do have a choice and the uptake in the under 30's is higher than than that of the 40's to 50's. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you?" Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. | |||
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"This is a bullshit scare tatic to get every young person to jab up, 100% think he'll u-turn end of Aug How is it? 90% of the adult population have already had at one jab. Lots of under under 30s are not getting it because they think they think they don't need it, so take away one of the things most of them love the most (clubs) and hey presto... they will all start getting it.... I'm double jabbed, but this is morrally wrong. People should have the choice People do have a choice and the uptake in the under 30's is higher than than that of the 40's to 50's." It’s coercion. When it becomes more than nightclubs, I’d shops, it’s not a choice. It’s severe coercion. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here." I think none of us know what is gonna happen so I don't know how you can be quite so sure that you are right. What would you like people to wake up to? because like ive said 90% of people have already had the vaccination there isn't a lot like and do about it. | |||
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"This is a bullshit scare tatic to get every young person to jab up, 100% think he'll u-turn end of Aug How is it? 90% of the adult population have already had at one jab. Lots of under under 30s are not getting it because they think they think they don't need it, so take away one of the things most of them love the most (clubs) and hey presto... they will all start getting it.... I'm double jabbed, but this is morrally wrong. People should have the choice People do have a choice and the uptake in the under 30's is higher than than that of the 40's to 50's. It’s coercion. When it becomes more than nightclubs, I’d shops, it’s not a choice. It’s severe coercion." Again how is it coercion because this was announced today but 90% of people have already had the vaccination it doesn't make sense but you were trying to say. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here." So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. I think none of us know what is gonna happen so I don't know how you can be quite so sure that you are right. What would you like people to wake up to? because like ive said 90% of people have already had the vaccination there isn't a lot like and do about it. " It’s the thin end of the wedge. Many people have warned of this for the last 12 months and been told it was a conspiracy theory. It’s happening. We’re on the road to losing medical freedom. And they’ve got people onside by scaring them, plus encouraging them to call those who have vaccine reservations names. Historically, authoritarianism occurs through fear. It’s happening now. Whether you’ve had the vaccine or not is irrelevant here, medical autonomy is priceless. That’s what people need to wake up to. | |||
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"This is a bullshit scare tatic to get every young person to jab up, 100% think he'll u-turn end of Aug How is it? 90% of the adult population have already had at one jab. Lots of under under 30s are not getting it because they think they think they don't need it, so take away one of the things most of them love the most (clubs) and hey presto... they will all start getting it.... I'm double jabbed, but this is morrally wrong. People should have the choice People do have a choice and the uptake in the under 30's is higher than than that of the 40's to 50's. It’s coercion. When it becomes more than nightclubs, I’d shops, it’s not a choice. It’s severe coercion. Again how is it coercion because this was announced today but 90% of people have already had the vaccination it doesn't make sense but you were trying to say. " It’s coercing those who haven’t. It won’t stop here. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. I think none of us know what is gonna happen so I don't know how you can be quite so sure that you are right. What would you like people to wake up to? because like ive said 90% of people have already had the vaccination there isn't a lot like and do about it. It’s the thin end of the wedge. Many people have warned of this for the last 12 months and been told it was a conspiracy theory. It’s happening. We’re on the road to losing medical freedom. And they’ve got people onside by scaring them, plus encouraging them to call those who have vaccine reservations names. Historically, authoritarianism occurs through fear. It’s happening now. Whether you’ve had the vaccine or not is irrelevant here, medical autonomy is priceless. That’s what people need to wake up to." I haven't seen anybody who has said they have had both vaccine call anybody names on this thread only people that seem to be against it are telling people they can't think for themselves and are asleep! All so how is having The Choice to have a vaccine losing your medical freedom I dont understand. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you." Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. | |||
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"This is a bullshit scare tatic to get every young person to jab up, 100% think he'll u-turn end of Aug How is it? 90% of the adult population have already had at one jab. Lots of under under 30s are not getting it because they think they think they don't need it, so take away one of the things most of them love the most (clubs) and hey presto... they will all start getting it.... I'm double jabbed, but this is morrally wrong. People should have the choice People do have a choice and the uptake in the under 30's is higher than than that of the 40's to 50's. It’s coercion. When it becomes more than nightclubs, I’d shops, it’s not a choice. It’s severe coercion. Again how is it coercion because this was announced today but 90% of people have already had the vaccination it doesn't make sense but you were trying to say. It’s coercing those who haven’t. It won’t stop here." It's doing no such thing. Im sure people that genuinely are not taking the vaccine because they are worried for their health are not suddenly gonna take it because they might not be able to go to a nightclub! | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. I think none of us know what is gonna happen so I don't know how you can be quite so sure that you are right. What would you like people to wake up to? because like ive said 90% of people have already had the vaccination there isn't a lot like and do about it. It’s the thin end of the wedge. Many people have warned of this for the last 12 months and been told it was a conspiracy theory. It’s happening. We’re on the road to losing medical freedom. And they’ve got people onside by scaring them, plus encouraging them to call those who have vaccine reservations names. Historically, authoritarianism occurs through fear. It’s happening now. Whether you’ve had the vaccine or not is irrelevant here, medical autonomy is priceless. That’s what people need to wake up to. I haven't seen anybody who has said they have had both vaccine call anybody names on this thread only people that seem to be against it are telling people they can't think for themselves and are asleep! All so how is having The Choice to have a vaccine losing your medical freedom I dont understand. " If you haven’t read anti vax name calling, bill gates jibes, 5G nonsense etc over the last year I then we’ll dive for avoiding it! When it becomes a requirement to live a normal life it’s severe coercion. It’s not a true choice. It’s coming, yet people think the government are doing it for your safety…lol. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet." We have had medical segregation in this country for decades try being disabled or have a lot in learning difficulty And see how easy it is to be taken seriously and have your health looked after properly. Nobody has been bothered about that but suddenly 10% of the population are up in arms. | |||
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"This is a bullshit scare tatic to get every young person to jab up, 100% think he'll u-turn end of Aug How is it? 90% of the adult population have already had at one jab. Lots of under under 30s are not getting it because they think they think they don't need it, so take away one of the things most of them love the most (clubs) and hey presto... they will all start getting it.... I'm double jabbed, but this is morrally wrong. People should have the choice People do have a choice and the uptake in the under 30's is higher than than that of the 40's to 50's. It’s coercion. When it becomes more than nightclubs, I’d shops, it’s not a choice. It’s severe coercion. Again how is it coercion because this was announced today but 90% of people have already had the vaccination it doesn't make sense but you were trying to say. It’s coercing those who haven’t. It won’t stop here. It's doing no such thing. Im sure people that genuinely are not taking the vaccine because they are worried for their health are not suddenly gonna take it because they might not be able to go to a nightclub!" It won’t stop at nightclubs! | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet." Ok. You do you  | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. We have had medical segregation in this country for decades try being disabled or have a lot in learning difficulty And see how easy it is to be taken seriously and have your health looked after properly. Nobody has been bothered about that but suddenly 10% of the population are up in arms." So much | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. I think none of us know what is gonna happen so I don't know how you can be quite so sure that you are right. What would you like people to wake up to? because like ive said 90% of people have already had the vaccination there isn't a lot like and do about it. It’s the thin end of the wedge. Many people have warned of this for the last 12 months and been told it was a conspiracy theory. It’s happening. We’re on the road to losing medical freedom. And they’ve got people onside by scaring them, plus encouraging them to call those who have vaccine reservations names. Historically, authoritarianism occurs through fear. It’s happening now. Whether you’ve had the vaccine or not is irrelevant here, medical autonomy is priceless. That’s what people need to wake up to. I haven't seen anybody who has said they have had both vaccine call anybody names on this thread only people that seem to be against it are telling people they can't think for themselves and are asleep! All so how is having The Choice to have a vaccine losing your medical freedom I dont understand. If you haven’t read anti vax name calling, bill gates jibes, 5G nonsense etc over the last year I then we’ll dive for avoiding it! When it becomes a requirement to live a normal life it’s severe coercion. It’s not a true choice. It’s coming, yet people think the government are doing it for your safety…lol." Not on this thread no. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. We have had medical segregation in this country for decades try being disabled or have a lot in learning difficulty And see how easy it is to be taken seriously and have your health looked after properly. Nobody has been bothered about that but suddenly 10% of the population are up in arms." And we have tried to make things as equal as possible over time for the disabled (and rightfully). We’re now looking to exclude those who don’t want a vaccine. Hell of a difference. It won’t end here. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. And none of those can be compared to vaccine which now the govt has decreed you must have in order to work in certain industries and will shortly order you to have in order to have any semblance of "freedom." Nobody is allowed to voice any opinions other than the accepted one nor are they allowed to voice any legitimate personal concerns. We are now at the "shut up and drink the Kool Aid" part. All so you have plenty of freedom if you choose not to have the vaccination it is only night clubs that are being proposed that you would need to have double vaccinations for. Also I hate to break it to you but many people with disabilities are excluded from loads of different places. It has been mandatory in many health care for for years to have certain vaccines so I dont see how this is any different. Nightclubs are likely just the start. Recent history has proven time and time again that given an inch in good faith by the public the government will soon take the mile. This could well be the start of a very slippery slope and the implications are quite terrifying in terms of personal freedoms and liberties. In terms of mandatory vaccines for health care workers, this is a brand new vaccine for a brand new disease. It has been allowed to bypass the usual time periods etc for testing. It is not unreasonable for people to be sceptical or cautious. But it seems like these rational concerns are oft dismissed with a lazy "Anti Vaxxer" label. Exactly. People have been totally duped into labelling anyone who thinks for themselves anti vaxxers. It’s incredible how easily so many have been brainwashed into this. Anyone has any concerns about it and they get bill gates 5g stuff thrown at them. We are on an unbelievably slippery slope and many people are literally cheering it on. I used to wonder how in periods of history authoritarian governments got enough of the public onside. Now I can see, you just scare them and they fall into line. Kiss your medical autonomy goodbye folks, and stupidly believe this is all about looking after you, and the greater good." Doesn't it follow that people on both sides can think for themselves? It depends on the source of the evidence as to what you believe. No one wants to be controlled.. But arguably we do need to be controlled to some degree as most people aren't responsible enough to manage their own lives. Even if you are right theres nothing else can be done about it.. In which case a certain ignorance is bliss way of thinking works better :/ | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you "That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey….. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. We have had medical segregation in this country for decades try being disabled or have a lot in learning difficulty And see how easy it is to be taken seriously and have your health looked after properly. Nobody has been bothered about that but suddenly 10% of the population are up in arms. And we have tried to make things as equal as possible over time for the disabled (and rightfully). We’re now looking to exclude those who don’t want a vaccine. Hell of a difference. It won’t end here." Absolute nonsense and if you genuinely believe things have been equal for people with disabilities you are very wrong and do not know what you are talking about. Are you aware for example that somebody who has a severe learning disability or serious mental health condition is 67% more likely to die of a preventable condition than the general population. That is not what I call equality! | |||
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"This is a bullshit scare tatic to get every young person to jab up, 100% think he'll u-turn end of Aug How is it? 90% of the adult population have already had at one jab. Lots of under under 30s are not getting it because they think they think they don't need it, so take away one of the things most of them love the most (clubs) and hey presto... they will all start getting it.... I'm double jabbed, but this is morrally wrong. People should have the choice" The figures for vaccine uptake in the under 30 age range would support this. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey….."I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence. In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government. | |||
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"So this is the point where Personal Responsibility no longer extends to one's own basic right to choose what they put or don't put into their body? Its still a choice. You can choose what you do still. But if you make the wrong choice you're effectively barred from participating in society? Sounds a bit Orwellian to me. Why is it if I choose not to have a passport I can't go abroad. If I choose not to take a driving test I cannot drive a car. If I choose not to do a DBS check I cannot work with children or vulnerable adults. All our choices prevent us doing certain things if we choose not to do them. And none of those can be compared to vaccine which now the govt has decreed you must have in order to work in certain industries and will shortly order you to have in order to have any semblance of "freedom." Nobody is allowed to voice any opinions other than the accepted one nor are they allowed to voice any legitimate personal concerns. We are now at the "shut up and drink the Kool Aid" part. All so you have plenty of freedom if you choose not to have the vaccination it is only night clubs that are being proposed that you would need to have double vaccinations for. Also I hate to break it to you but many people with disabilities are excluded from loads of different places. It has been mandatory in many health care for for years to have certain vaccines so I dont see how this is any different. Nightclubs are likely just the start. Recent history has proven time and time again that given an inch in good faith by the public the government will soon take the mile. This could well be the start of a very slippery slope and the implications are quite terrifying in terms of personal freedoms and liberties. In terms of mandatory vaccines for health care workers, this is a brand new vaccine for a brand new disease. It has been allowed to bypass the usual time periods etc for testing. It is not unreasonable for people to be sceptical or cautious. But it seems like these rational concerns are oft dismissed with a lazy "Anti Vaxxer" label. Exactly. People have been totally duped into labelling anyone who thinks for themselves anti vaxxers. It’s incredible how easily so many have been brainwashed into this. Anyone has any concerns about it and they get bill gates 5g stuff thrown at them. We are on an unbelievably slippery slope and many people are literally cheering it on. I used to wonder how in periods of history authoritarian governments got enough of the public onside. Now I can see, you just scare them and they fall into line. Kiss your medical autonomy goodbye folks, and stupidly believe this is all about looking after you, and the greater good. Doesn't it follow that people on both sides can think for themselves? It depends on the source of the evidence as to what you believe. No one wants to be controlled.. But arguably we do need to be controlled to some degree as most people aren't responsible enough to manage their own lives. Even if you are right theres nothing else can be done about it.. In which case a certain ignorance is bliss way of thinking works better :/ " I prefer freedom. Of course we need laws, but coerced vaccines? It won’t end here. Thin end of the wedge. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government. "Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest…. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government.
Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest…."Nope, don't see anything, I'm afraid. I see a bumbling incompetent government which doesn't know its elbow from its arsehole, not a master plan. But you do you | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. We have had medical segregation in this country for decades try being disabled or have a lot in learning difficulty And see how easy it is to be taken seriously and have your health looked after properly. Nobody has been bothered about that but suddenly 10% of the population are up in arms. And we have tried to make things as equal as possible over time for the disabled (and rightfully). We’re now looking to exclude those who don’t want a vaccine. Hell of a difference. It won’t end here. Absolute nonsense and if you genuinely believe things have been equal for people with disabilities you are very wrong and do not know what you are talking about. Are you aware for example that somebody who has a severe learning disability or serious mental health condition is 67% more likely to die of a preventable condition than the general population. That is not what I call equality!" I never said they had equality! Read it! I said over time we’ve moved towards equality. We’ve not achieved it, but we’ve moved towards it. Now the country is doing the opposite, encouraging segregation. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. We have had medical segregation in this country for decades try being disabled or have a lot in learning difficulty And see how easy it is to be taken seriously and have your health looked after properly. Nobody has been bothered about that but suddenly 10% of the population are up in arms. And we have tried to make things as equal as possible over time for the disabled (and rightfully). We’re now looking to exclude those who don’t want a vaccine. Hell of a difference. It won’t end here. Absolute nonsense and if you genuinely believe things have been equal for people with disabilities you are very wrong and do not know what you are talking about. Are you aware for example that somebody who has a severe learning disability or serious mental health condition is 67% more likely to die of a preventable condition than the general population. That is not what I call equality! I never said they had equality! Read it! I said over time we’ve moved towards equality. We’ve not achieved it, but we’ve moved towards it. Now the country is doing the opposite, encouraging segregation." Is this different or the same as telling the clinically vulnerable that they can stay at home if they're scared of Covid? | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government.
Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest….
Nope, don't see anything, I'm afraid. I see a bumbling incompetent government which doesn't know its elbow from its arsehole, not a master plan.
But you do you "They repeatedly said we would not have domestic vax passports. It’s now starting. And you think it’s good because it keeps you safe. I know covid has completely taken over many peoples thoughts, but look at the pattern. It will not end with covid vaccines. It will not end with nightclubs. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government.
Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest….
Nope, don't see anything, I'm afraid. I see a bumbling incompetent government which doesn't know its elbow from its arsehole, not a master plan.
But you do you
They repeatedly said we would not have domestic vax passports. It’s now starting. And you think it’s good because it keeps you safe. I know covid has completely taken over many peoples thoughts, but look at the pattern. It will not end with covid vaccines. It will not end with nightclubs."I do think it's a good thing. Hope this helps | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. We have had medical segregation in this country for decades try being disabled or have a lot in learning difficulty And see how easy it is to be taken seriously and have your health looked after properly. Nobody has been bothered about that but suddenly 10% of the population are up in arms. And we have tried to make things as equal as possible over time for the disabled (and rightfully). We’re now looking to exclude those who don’t want a vaccine. Hell of a difference. It won’t end here. Absolute nonsense and if you genuinely believe things have been equal for people with disabilities you are very wrong and do not know what you are talking about. Are you aware for example that somebody who has a severe learning disability or serious mental health condition is 67% more likely to die of a preventable condition than the general population. That is not what I call equality! I never said they had equality! Read it! I said over time we’ve moved towards equality. We’ve not achieved it, but we’ve moved towards it. Now the country is doing the opposite, encouraging segregation. Is this different or the same as telling the clinically vulnerable that they can stay at home if they're scared of Covid?" Exactly a lot in of the people that are now saying they will not have a vaccine and it is wrong to segregate them were the very people calling for the old and vaunable to be segregated from the rest of society. Double standards Much! But I guess thats different because it doesn't affect them. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. We have had medical segregation in this country for decades try being disabled or have a lot in learning difficulty And see how easy it is to be taken seriously and have your health looked after properly. Nobody has been bothered about that but suddenly 10% of the population are up in arms. And we have tried to make things as equal as possible over time for the disabled (and rightfully). We’re now looking to exclude those who don’t want a vaccine. Hell of a difference. It won’t end here. Absolute nonsense and if you genuinely believe things have been equal for people with disabilities you are very wrong and do not know what you are talking about. Are you aware for example that somebody who has a severe learning disability or serious mental health condition is 67% more likely to die of a preventable condition than the general population. That is not what I call equality! I never said they had equality! Read it! I said over time we’ve moved towards equality. We’ve not achieved it, but we’ve moved towards it. Now the country is doing the opposite, encouraging segregation. Is this different or the same as telling the clinically vulnerable that they can stay at home if they're scared of Covid?" I don’t think anyone should stay at home, they should do what they like. And that includes what vaccines they wish to have. We’re moving in a direction where your medical autonomy will be removed. If you think that’s good, fair enough. I don’t. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government.
Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest….
Nope, don't see anything, I'm afraid. I see a bumbling incompetent government which doesn't know its elbow from its arsehole, not a master plan.
But you do you
They repeatedly said we would not have domestic vax passports. It’s now starting. And you think it’s good because it keeps you safe. I know covid has completely taken over many peoples thoughts, but look at the pattern. It will not end with covid vaccines. It will not end with nightclubs.
I do think it's a good thing.
Hope this helps "I know you do. That’s what fear does. Historically authoritarian governments use fear to get people inside and think government control is good. Then years later they realise it wasn’t. You’ll work it out. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. We have had medical segregation in this country for decades try being disabled or have a lot in learning difficulty And see how easy it is to be taken seriously and have your health looked after properly. Nobody has been bothered about that but suddenly 10% of the population are up in arms. And we have tried to make things as equal as possible over time for the disabled (and rightfully). We’re now looking to exclude those who don’t want a vaccine. Hell of a difference. It won’t end here. Absolute nonsense and if you genuinely believe things have been equal for people with disabilities you are very wrong and do not know what you are talking about. Are you aware for example that somebody who has a severe learning disability or serious mental health condition is 67% more likely to die of a preventable condition than the general population. That is not what I call equality! I never said they had equality! Read it! I said over time we’ve moved towards equality. We’ve not achieved it, but we’ve moved towards it. Now the country is doing the opposite, encouraging segregation. Is this different or the same as telling the clinically vulnerable that they can stay at home if they're scared of Covid? Exactly a lot in of the people that are now saying they will not have a vaccine and it is wrong to segregate them were the very people calling for the old and vaunable to be segregated from the rest of society. Double standards Much! But I guess thats different because it doesn't affect them. " Yes. 4 million clinically vulnerable people. If you don't like the risk, stay at home. Don't go shopping, don't go to work, don't socialise. Stay under house arrest, incapable of living an independent life,cdue to something you can't control, potentially forever. As opposed to a safety measure in part of the entertainment industry, imposed on those who have a choice | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government.
Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest….
Nope, don't see anything, I'm afraid. I see a bumbling incompetent government which doesn't know its elbow from its arsehole, not a master plan.
But you do you
They repeatedly said we would not have domestic vax passports. It’s now starting. And you think it’s good because it keeps you safe. I know covid has completely taken over many peoples thoughts, but look at the pattern. It will not end with covid vaccines. It will not end with nightclubs.
I do think it's a good thing.
Hope this helps
I know you do. That’s what fear does. Historically authoritarian governments use fear to get people inside and think government control is good. Then years later they realise it wasn’t. You’ll work it out."Onside, not inside * | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. We have had medical segregation in this country for decades try being disabled or have a lot in learning difficulty And see how easy it is to be taken seriously and have your health looked after properly. Nobody has been bothered about that but suddenly 10% of the population are up in arms. And we have tried to make things as equal as possible over time for the disabled (and rightfully). We’re now looking to exclude those who don’t want a vaccine. Hell of a difference. It won’t end here. Absolute nonsense and if you genuinely believe things have been equal for people with disabilities you are very wrong and do not know what you are talking about. Are you aware for example that somebody who has a severe learning disability or serious mental health condition is 67% more likely to die of a preventable condition than the general population. That is not what I call equality! I never said they had equality! Read it! I said over time we’ve moved towards equality. We’ve not achieved it, but we’ve moved towards it. Now the country is doing the opposite, encouraging segregation. Is this different or the same as telling the clinically vulnerable that they can stay at home if they're scared of Covid? Exactly a lot in of the people that are now saying they will not have a vaccine and it is wrong to segregate them were the very people calling for the old and vaunable to be segregated from the rest of society. Double standards Much! But I guess thats different because it doesn't affect them. Yes. 4 million clinically vulnerable people. If you don't like the risk, stay at home. Don't go shopping, don't go to work, don't socialise. Stay under house arrest, incapable of living an independent life,cdue to something you can't control, potentially forever. As opposed to a safety measure in part of the entertainment industry, imposed on those who have a choice " Lol the vulnerable shouldn’t have to stay at home, they’ve had the vaccine!! That’s the idea…. Well it was. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government.
Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest….
Nope, don't see anything, I'm afraid. I see a bumbling incompetent government which doesn't know its elbow from its arsehole, not a master plan.
But you do you
They repeatedly said we would not have domestic vax passports. It’s now starting. And you think it’s good because it keeps you safe. I know covid has completely taken over many peoples thoughts, but look at the pattern. It will not end with covid vaccines. It will not end with nightclubs.
I do think it's a good thing.
Hope this helps
I know you do. That’s what fear does. Historically authoritarian governments use fear to get people inside and think government control is good. Then years later they realise it wasn’t. You’ll work it out."Assuming you know anything about my emotional state is also incredibly presumptuous and rude of you | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government.
Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest….
Nope, don't see anything, I'm afraid. I see a bumbling incompetent government which doesn't know its elbow from its arsehole, not a master plan.
But you do you
They repeatedly said we would not have domestic vax passports. It’s now starting. And you think it’s good because it keeps you safe. I know covid has completely taken over many peoples thoughts, but look at the pattern. It will not end with covid vaccines. It will not end with nightclubs.
I do think it's a good thing.
Hope this helps
I know you do. That’s what fear does. Historically authoritarian governments use fear to get people inside and think government control is good. Then years later they realise it wasn’t. You’ll work it out.
Assuming you know anything about my emotional state is also incredibly presumptuous and rude of you "I haven’t assumed anything about your emotional state. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government.
Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest….
Nope, don't see anything, I'm afraid. I see a bumbling incompetent government which doesn't know its elbow from its arsehole, not a master plan.
But you do you
They repeatedly said we would not have domestic vax passports. It’s now starting. And you think it’s good because it keeps you safe. I know covid has completely taken over many peoples thoughts, but look at the pattern. It will not end with covid vaccines. It will not end with nightclubs.
I do think it's a good thing.
Hope this helps
I know you do. That’s what fear does. Historically authoritarian governments use fear to get people inside and think government control is good. Then years later they realise it wasn’t. You’ll work it out.
Assuming you know anything about my emotional state is also incredibly presumptuous and rude of you
I haven’t assumed anything about your emotional state.""That's what fear does", you said. I'm not afraid. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government.
Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest….
Nope, don't see anything, I'm afraid. I see a bumbling incompetent government which doesn't know its elbow from its arsehole, not a master plan.
But you do you
They repeatedly said we would not have domestic vax passports. It’s now starting. And you think it’s good because it keeps you safe. I know covid has completely taken over many peoples thoughts, but look at the pattern. It will not end with covid vaccines. It will not end with nightclubs.
I do think it's a good thing.
Hope this helps
I know you do. That’s what fear does. Historically authoritarian governments use fear to get people inside and think government control is good. Then years later they realise it wasn’t. You’ll work it out.
Assuming you know anything about my emotional state is also incredibly presumptuous and rude of you
I haven’t assumed anything about your emotional state.
"That's what fear does", you said.
I'm not afraid."You stated above you were cautious about getting out the house. You are in favour of vaccine mandation in clubs. If it wasn’t for fear of covid, why else would you be cautious or want others vaccinated? | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government.
Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest….
Nope, don't see anything, I'm afraid. I see a bumbling incompetent government which doesn't know its elbow from its arsehole, not a master plan.
But you do you
They repeatedly said we would not have domestic vax passports. It’s now starting. And you think it’s good because it keeps you safe. I know covid has completely taken over many peoples thoughts, but look at the pattern. It will not end with covid vaccines. It will not end with nightclubs.
I do think it's a good thing.
Hope this helps
I know you do. That’s what fear does. Historically authoritarian governments use fear to get people inside and think government control is good. Then years later they realise it wasn’t. You’ll work it out.
Assuming you know anything about my emotional state is also incredibly presumptuous and rude of you
I haven’t assumed anything about your emotional state.
"That's what fear does", you said.
I'm not afraid.
You stated above you were cautious about getting out the house. You are in favour of vaccine mandation in clubs. If it wasn’t for fear of covid, why else would you be cautious or want others vaccinated?"I am concerned that I will be a vector in this time of high transmission and danger *to others*. I think that standardising rules will settle some of the social unrest. As I am fully vaccinated, I am not afraid like I was, not for myself. I hope to minimise my effect, if any, on others, to help bring this pandemic to an end. I support this measure. I think your assumptions about me and others who do not think like you are intolerant and rude. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government.
Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest….
Nope, don't see anything, I'm afraid. I see a bumbling incompetent government which doesn't know its elbow from its arsehole, not a master plan.
But you do you
They repeatedly said we would not have domestic vax passports. It’s now starting. And you think it’s good because it keeps you safe. I know covid has completely taken over many peoples thoughts, but look at the pattern. It will not end with covid vaccines. It will not end with nightclubs.
I do think it's a good thing.
Hope this helps
I know you do. That’s what fear does. Historically authoritarian governments use fear to get people inside and think government control is good. Then years later they realise it wasn’t. You’ll work it out.
Assuming you know anything about my emotional state is also incredibly presumptuous and rude of you
I haven’t assumed anything about your emotional state.
"That's what fear does", you said.
I'm not afraid.
You stated above you were cautious about getting out the house. You are in favour of vaccine mandation in clubs. If it wasn’t for fear of covid, why else would you be cautious or want others vaccinated?
I am concerned that I will be a vector in this time of high transmission and danger *to others*. I think that standardising rules will settle some of the social unrest. As I am fully vaccinated, I am not afraid like I was, not for myself. I hope to minimise my effect, if any, on others, to help bring this pandemic to an end.
I support this measure.
I think your assumptions about me and others who do not think like you are intolerant and rude."Danger to others? Anyone who is worried can have the vaccine! You’re the intolerant one, wanting to exclude those who don’t want a vaccine from clubs. “It’s your choice but you can’t come in if you don’t have it”. How tolerant of you…. And just a reminder, it won’t end with this vaccine….. | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government.
Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest….
Nope, don't see anything, I'm afraid. I see a bumbling incompetent government which doesn't know its elbow from its arsehole, not a master plan.
But you do you
They repeatedly said we would not have domestic vax passports. It’s now starting. And you think it’s good because it keeps you safe. I know covid has completely taken over many peoples thoughts, but look at the pattern. It will not end with covid vaccines. It will not end with nightclubs.
I do think it's a good thing.
Hope this helps
I know you do. That’s what fear does. Historically authoritarian governments use fear to get people inside and think government control is good. Then years later they realise it wasn’t. You’ll work it out.
Assuming you know anything about my emotional state is also incredibly presumptuous and rude of you
I haven’t assumed anything about your emotional state.
"That's what fear does", you said.
I'm not afraid.
You stated above you were cautious about getting out the house. You are in favour of vaccine mandation in clubs. If it wasn’t for fear of covid, why else would you be cautious or want others vaccinated?
I am concerned that I will be a vector in this time of high transmission and danger *to others*. I think that standardising rules will settle some of the social unrest. As I am fully vaccinated, I am not afraid like I was, not for myself. I hope to minimise my effect, if any, on others, to help bring this pandemic to an end.
I support this measure.
I think your assumptions about me and others who do not think like you are intolerant and rude.
Danger to others? Anyone who is worried can have the vaccine!
You’re the intolerant one, wanting to exclude those who don’t want a vaccine from clubs. “It’s your choice but you can’t come in if you don’t have it”. How tolerant of you….
And just a reminder, it won’t end with this vaccine….."Ok. You do you | |||
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"Do you know that people can think for themselves and come to different conclusions to you? Do you know you’re cheering on losing medical autonomy? Wake up. It won’t stop here. So because I don't agree with you, I am insufficiently conscious? Goodness, how rude. I'm able to come to my own conclusions, thank you. Lol, “how rude”? Yet you’re cheering on medical segregation. That’s a few levels worse than rude. I know you’re able to come to your own conclusions, and you’ll realise one day that this is the thin end of an awful wedge. You haven’t realised it yet. Ok. You do you
That’s the point you’re missing. You won’t be able to do you. I won’t be able to do me. We’ll be coerced into taking any medication or vaccine to live a normal life. Digital ID will prove it to get into these places. These conspiracy theories hey…..
I'll believe it when I see any credible evidence.
In the meantime, I'm wide awake and have made informed choices and informed opinions, having done my own research, not having relied on the mainstream or the government.
Credible evidence? It’s literally in front of you. The government continually move goalposts. Get people to accept this stage then nudge a bit further…. They repeatedly said domestic vax passports would not happen. Now they are. Nightclubs first, then onto other places. But they’re looking after you, honest….
Nope, don't see anything, I'm afraid. I see a bumbling incompetent government which doesn't know its elbow from its arsehole, not a master plan.
But you do you
They repeatedly said we would not have domestic vax passports. It’s now starting. And you think it’s good because it keeps you safe. I know covid has completely taken over many peoples thoughts, but look at the pattern. It will not end with covid vaccines. It will not end with nightclubs.
I do think it's a good thing.
Hope this helps
I know you do. That’s what fear does. Historically authoritarian governments use fear to get people inside and think government control is good. Then years later they realise it wasn’t. You’ll work it out.
Assuming you know anything about my emotional state is also incredibly presumptuous and rude of you
I haven’t assumed anything about your emotional state.
"That's what fear does", you said.
I'm not afraid.
You stated above you were cautious about getting out the house. You are in favour of vaccine mandation in clubs. If it wasn’t for fear of covid, why else would you be cautious or want others vaccinated?
I am concerned that I will be a vector in this time of high transmission and danger *to others*. I think that standardising rules will settle some of the social unrest. As I am fully vaccinated, I am not afraid like I was, not for myself. I hope to minimise my effect, if any, on others, to help bring this pandemic to an end.
I support this measure.
I think your assumptions about me and others who do not think like you are intolerant and rude.
Danger to others? Anyone who is worried can have the vaccine!
You’re the intolerant one, wanting to exclude those who don’t want a vaccine from clubs. “It’s your choice but you can’t come in if you don’t have it”. How tolerant of you….
And just a reminder, it won’t end with this vaccine…..
Ok. You do you "I will. And if you support medical coercion, you won’t be able to do you in future…. | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power." I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure." You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge." Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you "I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end. | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end."As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so. Hope this helps | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps "Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps
Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works "Ok. You do you | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps
Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works "History teaches us that this is how creeping authoritarianism works. | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps
Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works
Ok. You do you "I am. And as I say, I hope you can keep doing you. But the government will determine what you do if this carries on. I hope you work it out. | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps
Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works
Ok. You do you
I am. And as I say, I hope you can keep doing you. But the government will determine what you do if this carries on. I hope you work it out."Please stop condescending me. I don't appreciate it. | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps
Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works
Ok. You do you
I am. And as I say, I hope you can keep doing you. But the government will determine what you do if this carries on. I hope you work it out.
Please stop condescending me. I don't appreciate it."I’m not condescending you, I’m doing me. You do you. Don’t tell me what to do thanks. I don’t appreciate it. Particularly coming from someone so intolerant that you believe people should be excluded from clubs if they don’t have a vaccine, despite anyone who is scared of covid being fully able to have the vaccine! You won’t accept that other people want to do as they please. You encourage coercing things onto others. Not nice. Very intolerant. | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps
Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works
Ok. You do you
I am. And as I say, I hope you can keep doing you. But the government will determine what you do if this carries on. I hope you work it out.
Please stop condescending me. I don't appreciate it.
I’m not condescending you, I’m doing me. You do you. Don’t tell me what to do thanks. I don’t appreciate it. Particularly coming from someone so intolerant that you believe people should be excluded from clubs if they don’t have a vaccine, despite anyone who is scared of covid being fully able to have the vaccine! You won’t accept that other people want to do as they please. You encourage coercing things onto others. Not nice. Very intolerant."I'm expressing my support of a policy, is all, and I do not deserve this level of vitriol, let alone all the rest. I have nothing left to say to you and I hope you extend me the same courtesy. | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps
Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works
Ok. You do you
I am. And as I say, I hope you can keep doing you. But the government will determine what you do if this carries on. I hope you work it out.
Please stop condescending me. I don't appreciate it.
I’m not condescending you, I’m doing me. You do you. Don’t tell me what to do thanks. I don’t appreciate it. Particularly coming from someone so intolerant that you believe people should be excluded from clubs if they don’t have a vaccine, despite anyone who is scared of covid being fully able to have the vaccine! You won’t accept that other people want to do as they please. You encourage coercing things onto others. Not nice. Very intolerant.
I'm expressing my support of a policy, is all, and I do not deserve this level of vitriol, let alone all the rest.
I have nothing left to say to you and I hope you extend me the same courtesy."Vitriol? What are you on about? It’s your absolute right to want to exclude those who don’t want a vaccine, but it’s intolerant. If you don’t like debate I don’t know why you spend your life on a forum. You don’t have to keep responding to me but you’ve chosen to. | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps
Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works
Ok. You do you
I am. And as I say, I hope you can keep doing you. But the government will determine what you do if this carries on. I hope you work it out."It is rather amusing that you so firmly believe that anybody in favour of a policy that this government happens to support (for some short period until they flip flop again) must ipso facto be a supporter of the government. Being in favour of public hygeine steps which might help the people to climb out of the godawful hole that we have been dropped in by this shower of shit government, does not in any way imply agreement with the government. The only consistent policy that Johnson and his collection of imbeciles have followed is one of lining their own pockets while being utterly indifferent to the wellbeing of the country. Some of us have been desperate for measures to be implemented that would protect against this virus and save lives. It is more the case that once in a while the cabinet is forced into doing something that aligns with the wellbeing of the population, than them having any intentional aim of doing something useful. It is only because they have consistently ignored real medical science and prevaricated rather than taking difficult decisions, attempting to attract support from the loud mouthed, ignorant and anti science faction of the population, that we find ourselves in this situation where increasingly desperate and authoritarian measures will become totally unavoidable in order to save the health of the nation. If there is any bigger picture, it is that the populist anti scientific and criminally corrupt lobby are the ones who are enabling this government. Those of us who you choose instead to criticize are the ones that really would rather that this government fuck right off into the sea, and allow sensible measures to be enforced in proportion to, and only for as long as, the danger that this country and in fact the whole of humanity are in. Of course we know the government cannot be trusted, we are not the ones that installed them. Of course we know that the government enjoy controlling the people, we are the ones that have been banging on about this for years. But if once in a while, almost purely by accident, they happen to promote a sensible course of action for when the entire world is covered with a plague, then certainly we speak out in favour of that action. | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps
Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works
Ok. You do you
I am. And as I say, I hope you can keep doing you. But the government will determine what you do if this carries on. I hope you work it out.
It is rather amusing that you so firmly believe that anybody in favour of a policy that this government happens to support (for some short period until they flip flop again) must ipso facto be a supporter of the government.
Being in favour of public hygeine steps which might help the people to climb out of the godawful hole that we have been dropped in by this shower of shit government, does not in any way imply agreement with the government. The only consistent policy that Johnson and his collection of imbeciles have followed is one of lining their own pockets while being utterly indifferent to the wellbeing of the country. Some of us have been desperate for measures to be implemented that would protect against this virus and save lives. It is more the case that once in a while the cabinet is forced into doing something that aligns with the wellbeing of the population, than them having any intentional aim of doing something useful.
It is only because they have consistently ignored real medical science and prevaricated rather than taking difficult decisions, attempting to attract support from the loud mouthed, ignorant and anti science faction of the population, that we find ourselves in this situation where increasingly desperate and authoritarian measures will become totally unavoidable in order to save the health of the nation.
If there is any bigger picture, it is that the populist anti scientific and criminally corrupt lobby are the ones who are enabling this government. Those of us who you choose instead to criticize are the ones that really would rather that this government fuck right off into the sea, and allow sensible measures to be enforced in proportion to, and only for as long as, the danger that this country and in fact the whole of humanity are in.
Of course we know the government cannot be trusted, we are not the ones that installed them. Of course we know that the government enjoy controlling the people, we are the ones that have been banging on about this for years. But if once in a while, almost purely by accident, they happen to promote a sensible course of action for when the entire world is covered with a plague, then certainly we speak out in favour of that action."I don’t think those supporting this policy automatically support the government. I never said that. I said it’s the thin end of the wedge and by supporting this you will hand over your medical autonomy. It’s not a sensible course of action to exclude people who don’t want the vaccine. It’s insanity and for anyone who can’t see the bigger picture, I feel for you. It won’t end at nightclubs. It won’t end at the covid vaccine. You wait and see. | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps
Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works
Ok. You do you
I am. And as I say, I hope you can keep doing you. But the government will determine what you do if this carries on. I hope you work it out.
It is rather amusing that you so firmly believe that anybody in favour of a policy that this government happens to support (for some short period until they flip flop again) must ipso facto be a supporter of the government.
Being in favour of public hygeine steps which might help the people to climb out of the godawful hole that we have been dropped in by this shower of shit government, does not in any way imply agreement with the government. The only consistent policy that Johnson and his collection of imbeciles have followed is one of lining their own pockets while being utterly indifferent to the wellbeing of the country. Some of us have been desperate for measures to be implemented that would protect against this virus and save lives. It is more the case that once in a while the cabinet is forced into doing something that aligns with the wellbeing of the population, than them having any intentional aim of doing something useful.
It is only because they have consistently ignored real medical science and prevaricated rather than taking difficult decisions, attempting to attract support from the loud mouthed, ignorant and anti science faction of the population, that we find ourselves in this situation where increasingly desperate and authoritarian measures will become totally unavoidable in order to save the health of the nation.
If there is any bigger picture, it is that the populist anti scientific and criminally corrupt lobby are the ones who are enabling this government. Those of us who you choose instead to criticize are the ones that really would rather that this government fuck right off into the sea, and allow sensible measures to be enforced in proportion to, and only for as long as, the danger that this country and in fact the whole of humanity are in.
Of course we know the government cannot be trusted, we are not the ones that installed them. Of course we know that the government enjoy controlling the people, we are the ones that have been banging on about this for years. But if once in a while, almost purely by accident, they happen to promote a sensible course of action for when the entire world is covered with a plague, then certainly we speak out in favour of that action.
I don’t think those supporting this policy automatically support the government. I never said that.
I said it’s the thin end of the wedge and by supporting this you will hand over your medical autonomy. It’s not a sensible course of action to exclude people who don’t want the vaccine. It’s insanity and for anyone who can’t see the bigger picture, I feel for you. It won’t end at nightclubs. It won’t end at the covid vaccine. You wait and see."Just to add, these measures won’t enable us to go back to normality. Just like the first lockdown didn’t. Same as the month to save Xmas. And the lose Xmas to save Easter. Then it was jab the vulnerable for freedom. Then jab all adults. Still restrictions. If anyone thinks this will give people normality back they’re not learning very quickly! | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps
Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works
Ok. You do you
I am. And as I say, I hope you can keep doing you. But the government will determine what you do if this carries on. I hope you work it out.
It is rather amusing that you so firmly believe that anybody in favour of a policy that this government happens to support (for some short period until they flip flop again) must ipso facto be a supporter of the government.
Being in favour of public hygeine steps which might help the people to climb out of the godawful hole that we have been dropped in by this shower of shit government, does not in any way imply agreement with the government. The only consistent policy that Johnson and his collection of imbeciles have followed is one of lining their own pockets while being utterly indifferent to the wellbeing of the country. Some of us have been desperate for measures to be implemented that would protect against this virus and save lives. It is more the case that once in a while the cabinet is forced into doing something that aligns with the wellbeing of the population, than them having any intentional aim of doing something useful.
It is only because they have consistently ignored real medical science and prevaricated rather than taking difficult decisions, attempting to attract support from the loud mouthed, ignorant and anti science faction of the population, that we find ourselves in this situation where increasingly desperate and authoritarian measures will become totally unavoidable in order to save the health of the nation.
If there is any bigger picture, it is that the populist anti scientific and criminally corrupt lobby are the ones who are enabling this government. Those of us who you choose instead to criticize are the ones that really would rather that this government fuck right off into the sea, and allow sensible measures to be enforced in proportion to, and only for as long as, the danger that this country and in fact the whole of humanity are in.
Of course we know the government cannot be trusted, we are not the ones that installed them. Of course we know that the government enjoy controlling the people, we are the ones that have been banging on about this for years. But if once in a while, almost purely by accident, they happen to promote a sensible course of action for when the entire world is covered with a plague, then certainly we speak out in favour of that action.
I don’t think those supporting this policy automatically support the government. I never said that.
I said it’s the thin end of the wedge and by supporting this you will hand over your medical autonomy. It’s not a sensible course of action to exclude people who don’t want the vaccine. It’s insanity and for anyone who can’t see the bigger picture, I feel for you. It won’t end at nightclubs. It won’t end at the covid vaccine. You wait and see.
Just to add, these measures won’t enable us to go back to normality. Just like the first lockdown didn’t. Same as the month to save Xmas. And the lose Xmas to save Easter. Then it was jab the vulnerable for freedom. Then jab all adults. Still restrictions. If anyone thinks this will give people normality back they’re not learning very quickly!"Anybody that thinks we can ever get back even any semblance of normality without these measures are the deluded ones. The only reason that the measures keep failing is that the weakminded PM keeps giving in to those who keep bleating on about their "human rights" being impinged upon. The first lockdown lasted four times longer than it needed to and allowed ten times as many people to die as should have done, because it was too late starting and wasn't anywhere strict enough. The month to save Christmas was a disaster because it started a month too late. We lost Easter as well as Christmas because we didn't have police locking up all the lockdown breakers. We have lost the summer, autumn and winter because of the PM ignoring all advice about the dangers of the viral variant rife in India, and allowing thousands to enter the UK from that country without the slightest attempt at enforcing border hygeine, just so that he could try to charm the Indian PM over a trade deal that we only need because of his utter fuck up of leaving the EU. Those of us who know the slightest little thing about virology knew that just jabbing the vulnerable was totally useless, just jabbing all adults is totally useless, what is needed is to jab every single person apart from those where there is a genuine medical contra-indication. We know that masking can only ever give a small amount of protection, but we know that small amount is a damn sight better than nothing. We know that the biggest flaw in masking is the arseholes that will not wear them (not the ones who have genuine reasons why they cannot wear them, the existence of those people is a big reason why all the rest of us need to do more, not less). The only way to get freedom back is to do hard things now, ever harder for every minute that people are allowed to behave like assholes. But then afterwards, or preferably even starting now as an implicit part of doing these hard things, bring the criminally corrupt ones at the top to justice. | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps
Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works
Ok. You do you
I am. And as I say, I hope you can keep doing you. But the government will determine what you do if this carries on. I hope you work it out.
It is rather amusing that you so firmly believe that anybody in favour of a policy that this government happens to support (for some short period until they flip flop again) must ipso facto be a supporter of the government.
Being in favour of public hygeine steps which might help the people to climb out of the godawful hole that we have been dropped in by this shower of shit government, does not in any way imply agreement with the government. The only consistent policy that Johnson and his collection of imbeciles have followed is one of lining their own pockets while being utterly indifferent to the wellbeing of the country. Some of us have been desperate for measures to be implemented that would protect against this virus and save lives. It is more the case that once in a while the cabinet is forced into doing something that aligns with the wellbeing of the population, than them having any intentional aim of doing something useful.
It is only because they have consistently ignored real medical science and prevaricated rather than taking difficult decisions, attempting to attract support from the loud mouthed, ignorant and anti science faction of the population, that we find ourselves in this situation where increasingly desperate and authoritarian measures will become totally unavoidable in order to save the health of the nation.
If there is any bigger picture, it is that the populist anti scientific and criminally corrupt lobby are the ones who are enabling this government. Those of us who you choose instead to criticize are the ones that really would rather that this government fuck right off into the sea, and allow sensible measures to be enforced in proportion to, and only for as long as, the danger that this country and in fact the whole of humanity are in.
Of course we know the government cannot be trusted, we are not the ones that installed them. Of course we know that the government enjoy controlling the people, we are the ones that have been banging on about this for years. But if once in a while, almost purely by accident, they happen to promote a sensible course of action for when the entire world is covered with a plague, then certainly we speak out in favour of that action."Ah Polly. The voice of reason | |||
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"Not afraid maybe. But aren't you a tiny bit concerned about what the government are suggesting? Not a smidgen of your mind doesn't think they have your best interests at heart? Because they don't. They only care about their careers , power and holding onto power. I wouldn't trust the government as far as I can throw them. Doesn't mean I don't support this measure. You just haven’t worked out that this measure is the thin end of the wedge, and you might not like the thicker end of the wedge. Or maybe I've examined the situation using my own independent reasoning and cognitive faculties, and come to a different conclusion to you
I’ve no doubt you have. Are you happy with the government taking your medical autonomy off you then? That’s the thick end of the wedge. This is the thin end. Hope you’re prepared for the thick end.
As I say, I see no evidence of that, and you repeating it does not make it so.
Hope this helps
Lol, they’re not going to give you the evidence, or everyone would work out the thick end! They stick to the current situation and covid, and bank on people not realising there’s a much bigger picture and it won’t stop there. Clearly it works
Ok. You do you
I am. And as I say, I hope you can keep doing you. But the government will determine what you do if this carries on. I hope you work it out.
It is rather amusing that you so firmly believe that anybody in favour of a policy that this government happens to support (for some short period until they flip flop again) must ipso facto be a supporter of the government.
Being in favour of public hygeine steps which might help the people to climb out of the godawful hole that we have been dropped in by this shower of shit government, does not in any way imply agreement with the government. The only consistent policy that Johnson and his collection of imbeciles have followed is one of lining their own pockets while being utterly indifferent to the wellbeing of the country. Some of us have been desperate for measures to be implemented that would protect against this virus and save lives. It is more the case that once in a while the cabinet is forced into doing something that aligns with the wellbeing of the population, than them having any intentional aim of doing something useful.
It is only because they have consistently ignored real medical science and prevaricated rather than taking difficult decisions, attempting to attract support from the loud mouthed, ignorant and anti science faction of the population, that we find ourselves in this situation where increasingly desperate and authoritarian measures will become totally unavoidable in order to save the health of the nation.
If there is any bigger picture, it is that the populist anti scientific and criminally corrupt lobby are the ones who are enabling this government. Those of us who you choose instead to criticize are the ones that really would rather that this government fuck right off into the sea, and allow sensible measures to be enforced in proportion to, and only for as long as, the danger that this country and in fact the whole of humanity are in.
Of course we know the government cannot be trusted, we are not the ones that installed them. Of course we know that the government enjoy controlling the people, we are the ones that have been banging on about this for years. But if once in a while, almost purely by accident, they happen to promote a sensible course of action for when the entire world is covered with a plague, then certainly we speak out in favour of that action.
I don’t think those supporting this policy automatically support the government. I never said that.
I said it’s the thin end of the wedge and by supporting this you will hand over your medical autonomy. It’s not a sensible course of action to exclude people who don’t want the vaccine. It’s insanity and for anyone who can’t see the bigger picture, I feel for you. It won’t end at nightclubs. It won’t end at the covid vaccine. You wait and see.
Just to add, these measures won’t enable us to go back to normality. Just like the first lockdown didn’t. Same as the month to save Xmas. And the lose Xmas to save Easter. Then it was jab the vulnerable for freedom. Then jab all adults. Still restrictions. If anyone thinks this will give people normality back they’re not learning very quickly!"You seem to think that the Govt ( you know, that lot that couldn’t organise a p**s up in a brewery and that have been ignoring the scientists warnings for years that a pandemic of this nature was going to happen) had some master plan from the very beginning. The reason that they kept telling us just a few weeks/ months was because A. They hoped that was the case and most likely B. They didn’t want to panic the general population. I honestly don’t know why you are complaining about not being allowed into clubs. They’ve always had the right to refuse entry. It could be worse, they could decide to put all the unvaccinated by choice on an island in the middle of nowhere. | |||
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"This is a bullshit scare tatic to get every young person to jab up, 100% think he'll u-turn end of Aug How is it? 90% of the adult population have already had at one jab. " 90%? Where did you get that figure from? With well over a million regularly marching/protesting against it you are 100% wrong. Millions refuse to take it and this is growing as people learn more about it. | |||
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"This is a bullshit scare tatic to get every young person to jab up, 100% think he'll u-turn end of Aug How is it? 90% of the adult population have already had at one jab. 90%? Where did you get that figure from? With well over a million regularly marching/protesting against it you are 100% wrong. Millions refuse to take it and this is growing as people learn more about it. " | |||
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"This is absolutely bulshit ! How they force the people to involve in social experiment ! I will never put that poison into my body only because I want to attend any party!!" And that is your CHOICE….. And with CHOICE comes CONSEQUENCES…… I see a whole lot of people who wanted a whole bunch of choices but no consequences… and then turned around and called everyone else sheep! No one is saying you can’t stand by your convictions… no one is holding a gun to your head making you do anything…. You want to make this the hill you want to die upon.. have at it!!!! | |||
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"This is a bullshit scare tatic to get every young person to jab up, 100% think he'll u-turn end of Aug How is it? 90% of the adult population have already had at one jab. 90%? Where did you get that figure from? With well over a million regularly marching/protesting against it you are 100% wrong. Millions refuse to take it and this is growing as people learn more about it. " It is a FACT that currently over 88% of the adult population in the uk have had at least 1 jab. This in turn means that around 5.6 million people have not had a jab at all yet. Half of them are in the 18-24 age group. So, the actual data shows us that you are right, millions haven't had it, but almost 90% of the adult population HAVE. Hope this helps. Cal | |||
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"This is a bullshit scare tatic to get every young person to jab up, 100% think he'll u-turn end of Aug How is it? 90% of the adult population have already had at one jab. 90%? Where did you get that figure from? With well over a million regularly marching/protesting against it you are 100% wrong. Millions refuse to take it and this is growing as people learn more about it. " Mathematics not your strong point? Unless your adding up all the protests since this began that figure is rubbish.. | |||
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"They can do it if they want to, but as long as they know that it doesnt make one immune and as well, they could see less business cos of it too." That is true Shag | |||
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"Here's what I don't get; All the test events (such as the raves in Liverpool) went ahead without the need to be vaccinated but instead relied on proof of negative test. The resultant lack of infections paved the way for nightclubs to be able to reopen. Government ministers even have gone on record as saying Vaccine Passports would not be implemented. So why now the the need for such a drastic U-Turn? Is it just because Macron promised similar and the Govt now feels the need to look "tough" or is this just a stick to beat reticent people with? It seems strange that they are abandoning a system (negative test) that seems to be doing its job of keeping covid out in favour of proof of having a vaccine which doesn't stop you catching it or passing it on." That is a good point actually, as apparently 60% of the people getting covid now have been double vaccinated. | |||
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"Here's what I don't get; All the test events (such as the raves in Liverpool) went ahead without the need to be vaccinated but instead relied on proof of negative test. The resultant lack of infections paved the way for nightclubs to be able to reopen. Government ministers even have gone on record as saying Vaccine Passports would not be implemented. So why now the the need for such a drastic U-Turn? Is it just because Macron promised similar and the Govt now feels the need to look "tough" or is this just a stick to beat reticent people with? It seems strange that they are abandoning a system (negative test) that seems to be doing its job of keeping covid out in favour of proof of having a vaccine which doesn't stop you catching it or passing it on." One problem with relying on a negative test, is that it is easy to scam. If you don't do the test properly, you can easily avoid swabbing the mucus membranes that are likely to hold viral material. Ultimately, vaccination is the best way to stop the virus. AND it is in our best interests to help the rest of the world get vaccinated too... especially the poorer nations. The quicker that people are jabbed, the less opportunity for significant mutations. Cal | |||
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"Here's what I don't get; All the test events (such as the raves in Liverpool) went ahead without the need to be vaccinated but instead relied on proof of negative test. The resultant lack of infections paved the way for nightclubs to be able to reopen. Government ministers even have gone on record as saying Vaccine Passports would not be implemented. So why now the the need for such a drastic U-Turn? Is it just because Macron promised similar and the Govt now feels the need to look "tough" or is this just a stick to beat reticent people with? It seems strange that they are abandoning a system (negative test) that seems to be doing its job of keeping covid out in favour of proof of having a vaccine which doesn't stop you catching it or passing it on. One problem with relying on a negative test, is that it is easy to scam. If you don't do the test properly, you can easily avoid swabbing the mucus membranes that are likely to hold viral material. Ultimately, vaccination is the best way to stop the virus. AND it is in our best interests to help the rest of the world get vaccinated too... especially the poorer nations. The quicker that people are jabbed, the less opportunity for significant mutations. Cal" I’m not a virologist (although I am an nhs clinician) so forgive me but how can it stop it the virus when the vaccinated can still carry, contract and infect others? | |||
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"I think it is a cunning way to increase the vaccination rate in young people" Take this jab or you’re not going out! | |||
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"I think it is a cunning way to increase the vaccination rate in young people Take this jab or you’re not going out! " Exactly | |||
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"Here's what I don't get; All the test events (such as the raves in Liverpool) went ahead without the need to be vaccinated but instead relied on proof of negative test. The resultant lack of infections paved the way for nightclubs to be able to reopen. Government ministers even have gone on record as saying Vaccine Passports would not be implemented. So why now the the need for such a drastic U-Turn? Is it just because Macron promised similar and the Govt now feels the need to look "tough" or is this just a stick to beat reticent people with? It seems strange that they are abandoning a system (negative test) that seems to be doing its job of keeping covid out in favour of proof of having a vaccine which doesn't stop you catching it or passing it on. One problem with relying on a negative test, is that it is easy to scam. If you don't do the test properly, you can easily avoid swabbing the mucus membranes that are likely to hold viral material. Ultimately, vaccination is the best way to stop the virus. AND it is in our best interests to help the rest of the world get vaccinated too... especially the poorer nations. The quicker that people are jabbed, the less opportunity for significant mutations. Cal I’m not a virologist (although I am an nhs clinician) so forgive me but how can it stop it the virus when the vaccinated can still carry, contract and infect others? " When viewed logically, it's very simple. Whilst vaccines do not reduce infections 100%, the do reduce it significantly (around 85% depending on which vaccine). They also mean that if you are infected, it us for a much shorter time. It is quite obvious that the longer a person is infectious, the more chances there are for mutations to happen or to infect others. Cal | |||
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