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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago
Chippenham Malmesbury area |
"Health secretary has just confirmed in the Commons we're moving to Step 4 on the 19th.
I misread that.
Thought it said they are moving Sept 4th to the 19th.
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Time travel.... I'll get the flux capacitor |
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By *r-OreoMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"After the Wembley mass spreader event, I suspect lockdown before Xmas."
You my friend are a fear monger.why do we need a lockdown for winter when booster jabs will be available to all over 50s. |
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Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails."
I hear what you're saying here Polly but unless we have a proper lockdown forever then the curve comes back. We have seen it time and again over the last 18 months |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Cry Freedom
If that was trying to be a comparison between the situation and the movie, it was a really crap comparison. "
To be fair it was a crap movie. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Cry Freedom
If that was trying to be a comparison between the situation and the movie, it was a really crap comparison.
To be fair it was a crap movie."
It was more the story I was talking about, you cannot compare the covid situation with what happened to steve Biko. It's not the same or even similar. |
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"Cry Freedom
If that was trying to be a comparison between the situation and the movie, it was a really crap comparison.
To be fair it was a crap movie.
It was more the story I was talking about, you cannot compare the covid situation with what happened to steve Biko. It's not the same or even similar. "
I think some tend to over-dramatise their lives more than the worst of amdram actors. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Cry Freedom
If that was trying to be a comparison between the situation and the movie, it was a really crap comparison.
To be fair it was a crap movie.
It was more the story I was talking about, you cannot compare the covid situation with what happened to steve Biko. It's not the same or even similar.
I think some tend to over-dramatise their lives more than the worst of amdram actors. "
Indeed. |
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"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails."
Well said.
Listening to the PM's logic opening up now before flu season starts make's actual sense however what happens if case's continue to rise and the NHS becomes strained again it's pretty much on its knees at the moment without covid, and we hit flu season and case's go through the roof.
We are in a double pandemic situation which is going to be as bad as India trying to tackle covid plus the black mould outbreak,
Not good.
But hey as long as we can all go to night clubs and football matches it worthwhile... isn't it?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You need to shout Jumanji on the 19th otherwise will never end
Next time I see you both we can shout it together! "
Hahah yeees! We have been missing you loads! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Cry Freedom
If that was trying to be a comparison between the situation and the movie, it was a really crap comparison.
To be fair it was a crap movie.
It was more the story I was talking about, you cannot compare the covid situation with what happened to steve Biko. It's not the same or even similar. "
Ah you think I was being serious, gotcha |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Cry Freedom
If that was trying to be a comparison between the situation and the movie, it was a really crap comparison.
To be fair it was a crap movie.
It was more the story I was talking about, you cannot compare the covid situation with what happened to steve Biko. It's not the same or even similar.
Ah you think I was being serious, gotcha "
It doesn't matter if it was a joke. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Cry Freedom
If that was trying to be a comparison between the situation and the movie, it was a really crap comparison.
To be fair it was a crap movie.
It was more the story I was talking about, you cannot compare the covid situation with what happened to steve Biko. It's not the same or even similar.
Ah you think I was being serious, gotcha
It doesn't matter if it was a joke. "
Clearly. |
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"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails."
We tried and failed to eradicate the virus through lockdowns, social distancing, masks etc. It’s clear now no matter what we do everyone will get exposed at some point. Right now the most at risk in the population have the best vaccine immunity they are ever going to have. Unless you want lockdowns and masks forever them a policy of herd immunity supported by the vaccination program is surely the only way forward. |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
Near Wells |
"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails.
Well said.
Listening to the PM's logic opening up now before flu season starts make's actual sense however what happens if case's continue to rise and the NHS becomes strained again it's pretty much on its knees at the moment without covid, and we hit flu season and case's go through the roof.
We are in a double pandemic situation which is going to be as bad as India trying to tackle covid plus the black mould outbreak,
Not good.
But hey as long as we can all go to night clubs and football matches it worthwhile... isn't it?
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It is if your living is in these industries still effected by lockdowns etc |
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By *m389Man
over a year ago
Bromley |
I don't really get the whole virus has advantage in winter so opening up now makes sense.
Is he expecting the third wave to be gone by winter? Will we not end up just hitting record levels of infection by winter time, for the virus to wreck havoc? (Worse case scenario) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"After the Wembley mass spreader event, I suspect lockdown before Xmas."
Wembley won't be mass spreader event because everyone was tested. it will be the people who didn't follow the rules in their own homes and pubs not at an organised events as the trials have shown. |
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"I don't really get the whole virus has advantage in winter so opening up now makes sense.
Is he expecting the third wave to be gone by winter? Will we not end up just hitting record levels of infection by winter time, for the virus to wreck havoc? (Worse case scenario)"
Respiratory virus generally are worse in winter. More time inside, less ventilation, less vitimin D in the population, cool, dark and humid allows virus to stay viable in environment longer. With majority vaccinated or already exposed to the virus and exponential spread we should see this peak come and go long before winter. |
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"I don't really get the whole virus has advantage in winter so opening up now makes sense.
Is he expecting the third wave to be gone by winter? Will we not end up just hitting record levels of infection by winter time, for the virus to wreck havoc? (Worse case scenario)
Respiratory virus generally are worse in winter. More time inside, less ventilation, less vitimin D in the population, cool, dark and humid allows virus to stay viable in environment longer. With majority vaccinated or already exposed to the virus and exponential spread we should see this peak come and go long before winter."
Hopefully variants permitting. |
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By *oneybeesCouple
over a year ago
Worcs, West Midlands |
"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails."
...... aren't you the optimistic one, everything back to normal now, like it or lump it. Otherwise stay at home where you think it might be safer for you. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails....... aren't you the optimistic one, everything back to normal now, like it or lump it. Otherwise stay at home where you think it might be safer for you. "
At no point did anyone at the press conference say 'everything back to normal now', it's that attitude that will cause issues. |
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By *oneybeesCouple
over a year ago
Worcs, West Midlands |
"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails.
Well said.
Listening to the PM's logic opening up now before flu season starts make's actual sense however what happens if case's continue to rise and the NHS becomes strained again it's pretty much on its knees at the moment without covid, and we hit flu season and case's go through the roof.
We are in a double pandemic situation which is going to be as bad as India trying to tackle covid plus the black mould outbreak,
Not good.
But hey as long as we can all go to night clubs and football matches it worthwhile... isn't it?
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....yes it is worth 100% without a shadow of a doubt. Who in their right mind wants this to continue a moment longer?? Nobody does and the hospitals will never be overwhelmed, NEVER were in the first place. Life is back to normal now thank the lord |
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By *oneybeesCouple
over a year ago
Worcs, West Midlands |
"Nice one Boris, everything back to normal now then
No, did you even listen to it? "
....yes thanks we did, all back to normal now, everything open back up, no masks yay, no social distancing yay. Win win for the whole population BOOOOM!!!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes,anyone that feels the lifting of restrictions is too early,stay home,wear your mask when you do go out,keep your distance,continue hand sanitation.
No one will be forcing you to stop any of these things.
It's your life,take responsibility for it,but,let others get on with theirs as they see fit  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nice one Boris, everything back to normal now then
No, did you even listen to it? ....yes thanks we did, all back to normal now, everything open back up, no masks yay, no social distancing yay. Win win for the whole population BOOOOM!!!! "
Thats not was said at all! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes,anyone that feels the lifting of restrictions is too early,stay home,wear your mask when you do go out,keep your distance,continue hand sanitation.
No one will be forcing you to stop any of these things.
It's your life,take responsibility for it,but,let others get on with theirs as they see fit "
As very clear in the press conference that everybody has to take personal responsibility but also responsibility for others. nowhere did it say you should just do as you see fit for your situation! |
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By *oneybeesCouple
over a year ago
Worcs, West Midlands |
"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails....... aren't you the optimistic one, everything back to normal now, like it or lump it. Otherwise stay at home where you think it might be safer for you.
At no point did anyone at the press conference say 'everything back to normal now', it's that attitude that will cause issues. "
..... it's the only attitude, live your life, everthing open back up as agreed in step4. There are no issues, grow up and stop fear mongering |
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"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails.
Well said.
Listening to the PM's logic opening up now before flu season starts make's actual sense however what happens if case's continue to rise and the NHS becomes strained again it's pretty much on its knees at the moment without covid, and we hit flu season and case's go through the roof.
We are in a double pandemic situation which is going to be as bad as India trying to tackle covid plus the black mould outbreak,
Not good.
But hey as long as we can all go to night clubs and football matches it worthwhile... isn't it?
....yes it is worth 100% without a shadow of a doubt. Who in their right mind wants this to continue a moment longer?? Nobody does and the hospitals will never be overwhelmed, NEVER were in the first place. Life is back to normal now thank the lord"
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Nice one Boris, everything back to normal now then
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Far from it. This is just another step towards a return to normality. I am just hoping that it isn't too bigger a step and that we don't see a return to lockdowns later in the year. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"....yes it is worth 100% without a shadow of a doubt. Who in their right mind wants this to continue a moment longer?? Nobody does and the hospitals will never be overwhelmed, NEVER were in the first place. Life is back to normal now thank the lord "
If by not being overwhelmed you mean bed occupancy was down, it was. If by not being overwhelmed you mean that there were enough high-dependency-trained staff available, there were not. Doctors and nurses, and loads of other staff, had to open more beds for HD care, get more PPE (or dustbin bags and scarfs). Loads more equipment had to be sourced, and the consumables it used too. yes, care continued, but many non-essential operations were cancelled and other things, like blood tests, were shifted out of the hospital to avoid contact. Two mobile MRI scanners were brought in to complement the three existing ones (two of the inside units broke down at the end of last year and no engineers were available/wanted to come in, to fix them.
How many people now need delayed treatment?
Millions.
Including me.
No problem....just don't expect me to shop without a FFP3 respirator on....you get infected if you like. Good luck.
Lost two friends last year to covid. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails....... aren't you the optimistic one, everything back to normal now, like it or lump it. Otherwise stay at home where you think it might be safer for you.
At no point did anyone at the press conference say 'everything back to normal now', it's that attitude that will cause issues. ..... it's the only attitude, live your life, everthing open back up as agreed in step4. There are no issues, grow up and stop fear mongering"
Personally I think anybody that feels the need to tell someone to grow up because they things differently needs to have a little chat with themselves!
Nowhere in that press conference did anybody say things are back to normal and everything is as it was in fact the government are advising nightclubs to ask for proof of vaccine, that is and how it was before is it. |
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As anyone actually tbought or give a shit about staff in say supermarkets now even more at risk of infection due to those who do not care as long as they can so away with mask.
I do not work and therefore I am coming from angle of thinking of others not just myself.
The workers in these places have been thrown under the bus by the c...s like Boris his ego is major issue and fact they seem ok with figures of 100k cases everday as if its nothing.
Of course we have to move forward but in shops etc what actual harm does wearing a fucking mask do for such a relatively short time.
I have always used zero tolerance to non mask wearers esp those who get too close. 1st time am polite 2nd am not no one if I can help it is putting my health at risk. I have had both jabs and yes I know they give protection from the severity of covid does not stop you getting it nor passing on.
Some seem to be sleepwalking and in a fantasy world of oh all is well with the world.
Like others I have lost folk to covid 2 were very close to me one an ex gf. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
The bill whole presser didn’t make sense….
So they are lifting all the restrictions….
But they still want people to wear masks.. when they lifted it….
And they want larger venue to still check covid status’ … when they decided they didn’t need to…
And they now tell people to go back to the office… but no say it should be done gradually…..
And if not they are prepared for 200 deaths a day.. but say they won’t go back…
So…. Why are we rolling back everything all in one go again?
This rollout is all political and not scientific… I think the boffins next to boris today made that crystal clear!
I think the question now is how many cases and deaths will the public put up with before the pressure is too much to bear with… it’s a dangerous strategy |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The bill whole presser didn’t make sense….
So they are lifting all the restrictions….
But they still want people to wear masks.. when they lifted it….
And they want larger venue to still check covid status’ … when they decided they didn’t need to…
And they now tell people to go back to the office… but no say it should be done gradually…..
And if not they are prepared for 200 deaths a day.. but say they won’t go back…
So…. Why are we rolling back everything all in one go again?
This rollout is all political and not scientific… I think the boffins next to boris today made that crystal clear!
I think the question now is how many cases and deaths will the public put up with before the pressure is too much to bear with… it’s a dangerous strategy "
They are not rolling back everything in one go the restrictions have been reduced over the last couple of months this is the last stage. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The bill whole presser didn’t make sense….
So they are lifting all the restrictions….
But they still want people to wear masks.. when they lifted it….
And they want larger venue to still check covid status’ … when they decided they didn’t need to…
And they now tell people to go back to the office… but no say it should be done gradually…..
And if not they are prepared for 200 deaths a day.. but say they won’t go back…
So…. Why are we rolling back everything all in one go again?
This rollout is all political and not scientific… I think the boffins next to boris today made that crystal clear!
I think the question now is how many cases and deaths will the public put up with before the pressure is too much to bear with… it’s a dangerous strategy They are not rolling back everything in one go the restrictions have been reduced over the last couple of months this is the last stage. "
Okay… now you are being pedantic… let’s rephrase that last sentence
Is there any need to get rid of all the remaining restrictions all in one go…
There… happy!!!!
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I'll still wear a mask on public transport/taxis and shops, it's not a huge hardship and if it helps keep the country moving and people safe, I'm happy to do it. "
The public transport issue is a sticking point for a lot of the country because only the mayor of London can mandate it came be the same on both buses and trains.. so Khan can mandate it on all tfl managed trains, tube and buses…
Burham in Manchester for example can mandate that masks be worn on the metrolink, but can’t on buses
It needs to come from government level otherwise people all over the country are going to be confused!
I am glad the Welsh administration have said they will keep the mask mandate in place for public transport |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"I'll still wear a mask on public transport/taxis and shops, it's not a huge hardship and if it helps keep the country moving and people safe, I'm happy to do it.
The public transport issue is a sticking point for a lot of the country because only the mayor of London can mandate it came be the same on both buses and trains.. so Khan can mandate it on all tfl managed trains, tube and buses…
Burham in Manchester for example can mandate that masks be worn on the metrolink, but can’t on buses
It needs to come from government level otherwise people all over the country are going to be confused!
I am glad the Welsh administration have said they will keep the mask mandate in place for public transport "
We shouldn't need a mandate, people should do it because it's the right thing to do.
We have turned into a nation of toddlers that feel the need to have their hand held through life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'll still wear a mask on public transport/taxis and shops, it's not a huge hardship and if it helps keep the country moving and people safe, I'm happy to do it. "
Exactly the same as me. I'll continue to wear a mask when I go shopping or interact with members of the public at work. It's no hardship at all really. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'll still wear a mask on public transport/taxis and shops, it's not a huge hardship and if it helps keep the country moving and people safe, I'm happy to do it.
The public transport issue is a sticking point for a lot of the country because only the mayor of London can mandate it came be the same on both buses and trains.. so Khan can mandate it on all tfl managed trains, tube and buses…
Burham in Manchester for example can mandate that masks be worn on the metrolink, but can’t on buses
It needs to come from government level otherwise people all over the country are going to be confused!
I am glad the Welsh administration have said they will keep the mask mandate in place for public transport
We shouldn't need a mandate, people should do it because it's the right thing to do.
We have turned into a nation of toddlers that feel the need to have their hand held through life. "
But the problem is many don't think its the right thing to do and they are allowed to.
We are just going to have to used to idea that when it is no longer a legal requirement some will and some won't and there isn't anything anyone can do about it.
We need to stop letting this be something that divides us. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I'll still wear a mask on public transport/taxis and shops, it's not a huge hardship and if it helps keep the country moving and people safe, I'm happy to do it.
The public transport issue is a sticking point for a lot of the country because only the mayor of London can mandate it came be the same on both buses and trains.. so Khan can mandate it on all tfl managed trains, tube and buses…
Burham in Manchester for example can mandate that masks be worn on the metrolink, but can’t on buses
It needs to come from government level otherwise people all over the country are going to be confused!
I am glad the Welsh administration have said they will keep the mask mandate in place for public transport
We shouldn't need a mandate, people should do it because it's the right thing to do.
We have turned into a nation of toddlers that feel the need to have their hand held through life. "
Do you trust people to do the right thing… I wish I did.. but there as it seems like in this thread people that are so stubborn they won’t …
And then what do you do?
What should be a health issue has turned into a machismo thing or a freedom of liberty thing….
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"I'll still wear a mask on public transport/taxis and shops, it's not a huge hardship and if it helps keep the country moving and people safe, I'm happy to do it.
The public transport issue is a sticking point for a lot of the country because only the mayor of London can mandate it came be the same on both buses and trains.. so Khan can mandate it on all tfl managed trains, tube and buses…
Burham in Manchester for example can mandate that masks be worn on the metrolink, but can’t on buses
It needs to come from government level otherwise people all over the country are going to be confused!
I am glad the Welsh administration have said they will keep the mask mandate in place for public transport
We shouldn't need a mandate, people should do it because it's the right thing to do.
We have turned into a nation of toddlers that feel the need to have their hand held through life.
Do you trust people to do the right thing… I wish I did.. but there as it seems like in this thread people that are so stubborn they won’t …
And then what do you do?
What should be a health issue has turned into a machismo thing or a freedom of liberty thing….
I can see there being arguments and incidents "
I definitely don't trust people lol. But alot of people aren't wearing masks even with the mandate.
We're always going to have dickheads, that's human nature. This will likely reduce the verbal attacks retail and hospitality staff have had to put up with. |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"After the Wembley mass spreader event, I suspect lockdown before Xmas.
You my friend are a fear monger.why do we need a lockdown for winter when booster jabs will be available to all over 50s. "
And the downfall of this booster could create more deaths if the vaccine has been causing clots or has it been because the within the the injection was air causing the clots only takes a small mistake of air then injected |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"The bill whole presser didn’t make sense….
So they are lifting all the restrictions….
But they still want people to wear masks.. when they lifted it….
And they want larger venue to still check covid status’ … when they decided they didn’t need to…
And they now tell people to go back to the office… but no say it should be done gradually…..
And if not they are prepared for 200 deaths a day.. but say they won’t go back…
So…. Why are we rolling back everything all in one go again?
This rollout is all political and not scientific… I think the boffins next to boris today made that crystal clear!
I think the question now is how many cases and deaths will the public put up with before the pressure is too much to bear with… it’s a dangerous strategy "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'll still wear a mask on public transport/taxis and shops, it's not a huge hardship and if it helps keep the country moving and people safe, I'm happy to do it.
The public transport issue is a sticking point for a lot of the country because only the mayor of London can mandate it came be the same on both buses and trains.. so Khan can mandate it on all tfl managed trains, tube and buses…
Burham in Manchester for example can mandate that masks be worn on the metrolink, but can’t on buses
It needs to come from government level otherwise people all over the country are going to be confused!
I am glad the Welsh administration have said they will keep the mask mandate in place for public transport
We shouldn't need a mandate, people should do it because it's the right thing to do.
We have turned into a nation of toddlers that feel the need to have their hand held through life.
Do you trust people to do the right thing… I wish I did.. but there as it seems like in this thread people that are so stubborn they won’t …
And then what do you do?
What should be a health issue has turned into a machismo thing or a freedom of liberty thing….
I can see there being arguments and incidents "
There already is.
Even those that clearly wear a exemption badge or langyard are challenged and abused by members of the public. |
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Be nice when there arent many people wearing masks as I wont have to fish the fuckingnused ones out of my fucking trolley when I go shopping.
What sort of retard accepts the need to wear a mask for protection but then leaves it in a trolley when they finish doing their shopping. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"After the Wembley mass spreader event, I suspect lockdown before Xmas.
You my friend are a fear monger.why do we need a lockdown for winter when booster jabs will be available to all over 50s.
And the downfall of this booster could create more deaths if the vaccine has been causing clots or has it been because the within the the injection was air causing the clots only takes a small mistake of air then injected "
Injecting air into muscle which is where the jab is given is harmless, it's only an issue if its direct into a blood vessel and a reasonable amount. |
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over a year ago
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"....yes it is worth 100% without a shadow of a doubt. Who in their right mind wants this to continue a moment longer?? Nobody does and the hospitals will never be overwhelmed, NEVER were in the first place. Life is back to normal now thank the lord
If by not being overwhelmed you mean bed occupancy was down, it was. If by not being overwhelmed you mean that there were enough high-dependency-trained staff available, there were not. Doctors and nurses, and loads of other staff, had to open more beds for HD care, get more PPE (or dustbin bags and scarfs). Loads more equipment had to be sourced, and the consumables it used too. yes, care continued, but many non-essential operations were cancelled and other things, like blood tests, were shifted out of the hospital to avoid contact. Two mobile MRI scanners were brought in to complement the three existing ones (two of the inside units broke down at the end of last year and no engineers were available/wanted to come in, to fix them.
How many people now need delayed treatment?
Millions.
Including me.
No problem....just don't expect me to shop without a FFP3 respirator on....you get infected if you like. Good luck.
Lost two friends last year to covid."
Hear hear! We had to loan our nurses (we run units for young people with cancer) to the NHS during the pandemic because they didn’t have enough staff! |
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"After the Wembley mass spreader event, I suspect lockdown before Xmas.
You my friend are a fear monger.why do we need a lockdown for winter when booster jabs will be available to all over 50s.
And the downfall of this booster could create more deaths if the vaccine has been causing clots or has it been because the within the the injection was air causing the clots only takes a small mistake of air then injected "
Why would air be a problem in a intramuscular injection.
They are not Injecting anything into your veins. |
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When we where in lockdown everyone was moaning about it now we are coming out of lockdown people are still moaning about coming out of it just use your commonsense if you want to wear a mask wear one if you want to use hand sanitiser use it it's not that hard to understand  |
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"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails.
Well said.
Listening to the PM's logic opening up now before flu season starts make's actual sense however what happens if case's continue to rise and the NHS becomes strained again it's pretty much on its knees at the moment without covid, and we hit flu season and case's go through the roof.
We are in a double pandemic situation which is going to be as bad as India trying to tackle covid plus the black mould outbreak,
Not good.
But hey as long as we can all go to night clubs and football matches it worthwhile... isn't it? It’s certainly worthwhile to those who’s livelihoods and incomes depend on such enterprises. None of this is their fault yet many will have suffered severe financial problems. But then again it’s obviously not you so presumably it doesn’t matter.
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"Can’t wait for burn your mask day.
Sadly Wales will no doubt by significantly later than England dropping such nonsensical legislation "
Masks have benefits for the greater good, against this airborne infection. The silly 'freedom' that a minority in England were anxious to get, so that they could take off a mask, would point to the country facing 200 deaths per day, when common sense and respectful behaviour, could avoid many of them. |
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"Can’t wait for burn your mask day.
Sadly Wales will no doubt by significantly later than England dropping such nonsensical legislation
Masks have benefits for the greater good, against this airborne infection. The silly 'freedom' that a minority in England were anxious to get, so that they could take off a mask, would point to the country facing 200 deaths per day, when common sense and respectful behaviour, could avoid many of them. "
With little evidence to suggest they work?
People shouldn’t be grateful for getting their “freedoms” back. It is our birthright to make our own choices.
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Time to move on and learn to live with it...just like we have with other diseases and viruses
9600 people died last week in the UK..9500 DID NOT have covid. 76% of the 100 that died of covid were between 76 - 97.
7 million NHS appointments cancelled or backlogged!!
Everyone has to now take responsibility and do what's right for themselves. If you want to wear a mask ..do so. If you don't wish to social distance and avoid bars/restaurants....thats your choice.
TIME TO JUST MOVE ON.
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"Time to move on and learn to live with it...just like we have with other diseases and viruses
9600 people died last week in the UK..9500 DID NOT have covid. 76% of the 100 that died of covid were between 76 - 97.
7 million NHS appointments cancelled or backlogged!!
Everyone has to now take responsibility and do what's right for themselves. If you want to wear a mask ..do so. If you don't wish to social distance and avoid bars/restaurants....thats your choice.
TIME TO JUST MOVE ON.
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Here here! Good star for common sense right there |
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And once again Mrs4 and I would like to give our deepest heartfelt thanks to all the sacientists etc etc who took time out from the very busy schedules and finding cures for stuff and reseaching stuff to come on here and tell us what to do and the real truth behind the headlines and what steps to take and a massive high 5 for having even more time to take pictures of your various nether rewgions xxx |
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"Cry Freedom
If that was trying to be a comparison between the situation and the movie, it was a really crap comparison.
To be fair it was a crap movie.
It was more the story I was talking about, you cannot compare the covid situation with what happened to steve Biko. It's not the same or even similar.
I think some tend to over-dramatise their lives more than the worst of amdram actors. "
Nowt wrong with a bit of amdram. Several members of my family are very active members of a local amdram group, and damn good at it. One of them even makes regular income from the sales and performance rights of scripts she has written.
* Regular income is not same thing as massive income, but hey, getting any payment out of your hobby is not bad |
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over a year ago
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"I didn’t think it was time for Step 4 yet?!?!
*Puts on the leather chaps and grabs the vaseline*
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I don't think that's gonna protect you from the virus!  |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Time to move on and learn to live with it...just like we have with other diseases and viruses
9600 people died last week in the UK..9500 DID NOT have covid. 76% of the 100 that died of covid were between 76 - 97.
7 million NHS appointments cancelled or backlogged!!
Everyone has to now take responsibility and do what's right for themselves. If you want to wear a mask ..do so. If you don't wish to social distance and avoid bars/restaurants....thats your choice.
TIME TO JUST MOVE ON.
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Which is probably going to get worse if the cases of covid go up and Hospital cases go up too because people are telling others just go do what you want |
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"Time to move on and learn to live with it...just like we have with other diseases and viruses
9600 people died last week in the UK..9500 DID NOT have covid. 76% of the 100 that died of covid were between 76 - 97.
7 million NHS appointments cancelled or backlogged!!
Everyone has to now take responsibility and do what's right for themselves. If you want to wear a mask ..do so. If you don't wish to social distance and avoid bars/restaurants....thats your choice.
TIME TO JUST MOVE ON.
Which is probably going to get worse if the cases of covid go up and Hospital cases go up too because people are telling others just go do what you want"
And when they do it will be our fault presumably. |
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"Time to move on and learn to live with it...just like we have with other diseases and viruses
9600 people died last week in the UK..9500 DID NOT have covid. 76% of the 100 that died of covid were between 76 - 97.
7 million NHS appointments cancelled or backlogged!!
Everyone has to now take responsibility and do what's right for themselves. If you want to wear a mask ..do so. If you don't wish to social distance and avoid bars/restaurants....thats your choice.
TIME TO JUST MOVE ON.
Which is probably going to get worse if the cases of covid go up and Hospital cases go up too because people are telling others just go do what you want"
I agree. we still have to take responsibility for ourselves and others. That will look different to each individual however we all still need to be careful. |
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No point in having a vaccine if we don’t open up now.
Cases are going up but deaths and numbers being hospitalised are way down based on previous ratios to cases
Who cares about case numbers if it doesn’t result in deaths ramping up? Are we going to start recording flu cases on a day by day basis from now on?
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"No point in having a vaccine if we don’t open up now.
Cases are going up but deaths and numbers being hospitalised are way down based on previous ratios to cases
Who cares about case numbers if it doesn’t result in deaths ramping up? Are we going to start recording flu cases on a day by day basis from now on?
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I care.
The forecast is the cases will go to about 100,000 a day in two weeks time and will make the hospital cases go up too. They also forecast about 200 deaths a day through the summer.
Now maybe others think that is acceptable to let it spread this way or that any death is acceptable but after all the sacrifices we have made in the last 15 months or so, I don't. Vulnerable people are still being told to more or less stay in too. It feels like we are back at the beginning and peoples lives or health don't matter as we will just go for herd immunity
The saddest thing is the youngsters stuck with it for the last year to help all the older people out and they are the ones who have not all been vaccinated yet to lessen the blow of it. Not every youngster will get it mild, it seems to be a very random illness |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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"No point in having a vaccine if we don’t open up now.
Cases are going up but deaths and numbers being hospitalised are way down based on previous ratios to cases
Who cares about case numbers if it doesn’t result in deaths ramping up? Are we going to start recording flu cases on a day by day basis from now on?
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I care that the numbers will rise so much and so quickly and seemingly, unchecked.
This isn’t flu. It’s a new virus and yet we like to think we can control it. We have no idea yet how this will pan out. Slowly and safely should be the message. |
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Main stream media scaremongering doesn’t help.
No computer model has been correct so far so I don’t think 100,000 a day will be realised. But hey who am I question the scientific elite who have got this spot on! Didn’t Neil Ferguson suggest we’d hit 500k deaths? (Whilst shagging his mistress during lockdown 1)
We live in a fear culture, driven by scientists who focus only on covid and do not assess the impact of restrictions against other facets of daily life.
I’ve said it once, but unless we get back to normal there is literally no point of the vaccine.
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"No point in having a vaccine if we don’t open up now.
Cases are going up but deaths and numbers being hospitalised are way down based on previous ratios to cases
Who cares about case numbers if it doesn’t result in deaths ramping up? Are we going to start recording flu cases on a day by day basis from now on?
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Not sure why your talking about flu but given the percentages being talked about of the number of long covid by scientists, in excess of 10% and possibly up to 15% pro rata to actual cases of covid and the effects that has upon people's lives and may affect employment etc and certainly will impact the NHS it's not just deaths that are an issue as bad as the numbers of those being predicted clearly are..
Up to 48% of makes in the 18-24 age group have yet to have one jab, we've all at times when that age thought we were bombproof but long covid is affecting much younger people with no underlying health issues also.. |
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"Main stream media scaremongering doesn’t help.
No computer model has been correct so far so I don’t think 100,000 a day will be realised. But hey who am I question the scientific elite who have got this spot on! Didn’t Neil Ferguson suggest we’d hit 500k deaths? (Whilst shagging his mistress during lockdown 1)
We live in a fear culture, driven by scientists who focus only on covid and do not assess the impact of restrictions against other facets of daily life.
I’ve said it once, but unless we get back to normal there is literally no point of the vaccine.
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Look at the number of cases from four weeks ago and how it is today, unchecked after next week it's only going up.. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Main stream media scaremongering doesn’t help.
No computer model has been correct so far so I don’t think 100,000 a day will be realised.
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It was the current Health secretary who announced the numbers |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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I wonder if people are keeping an eye on the number of long covid and acute covid sufferers. That is going to be a massive impact on the NHS - not because of admissions but because of long term care.
We shouldn’t let numbers run unchecked. |
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"Main stream media scaremongering doesn’t help.
No computer model has been correct so far so I don’t think 100,000 a day will be realised. But hey who am I question the scientific elite who have got this spot on! Didn’t Neil Ferguson suggest we’d hit 500k deaths? (Whilst shagging his mistress during lockdown 1)
We live in a fear culture, driven by scientists who focus only on covid and do not assess the impact of restrictions against other facets of daily life.
I’ve said it once, but unless we get back to normal there is literally no point of the vaccine.
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But perhaps for the people that die or become long term disabled, there is literally no point in going back to "normal"? |
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"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails.
Well said.
Listening to the PM's logic opening up now before flu season starts make's actual sense however what happens if case's continue to rise and the NHS becomes strained again it's pretty much on its knees at the moment without covid, and we hit flu season and case's go through the roof.
We are in a double pandemic situation which is going to be as bad as India trying to tackle covid plus the black mould outbreak,
Not good.
But hey as long as we can all go to night clubs and football matches it worthwhile... isn't it?
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"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails.
Well said.
Listening to the PM's logic opening up now before flu season starts make's actual sense however what happens if case's continue to rise and the NHS becomes strained again it's pretty much on its knees at the moment without covid, and we hit flu season and case's go through the roof.
We are in a double pandemic situation which is going to be as bad as India trying to tackle covid plus the black mould outbreak,
Not good.
But hey as long as we can all go to night clubs and football matches it worthwhile... isn't it?
its life and we need to start living it again it’s never going away "
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"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails.
Well said.
Listening to the PM's logic opening up now before flu season starts make's actual sense however what happens if case's continue to rise and the NHS becomes strained again it's pretty much on its knees at the moment without covid, and we hit flu season and case's go through the roof.
We are in a double pandemic situation which is going to be as bad as India trying to tackle covid plus the black mould outbreak,
Not good.
But hey as long as we can all go to night clubs and football matches it worthwhile... isn't it?
its life and we need to start living it again it’s never going away
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Yes we do but once again it's been a mess of what's announced, clarity of information is required in such things..
In just over a week we've gone from no masks to some wishy washy suggested be considerate of others, when the policy of such has to be specific..
Wales, on this have been much clearer.. |
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Such a small percentage are vulnerable though
Shall we stop driving cars because of RTA’s?
Tragic as they are it is not sensible to punish the majority who want a normal life |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails.
Well said.
Listening to the PM's logic opening up now before flu season starts make's actual sense however what happens if case's continue to rise and the NHS becomes strained again it's pretty much on its knees at the moment without covid, and we hit flu season and case's go through the roof.
We are in a double pandemic situation which is going to be as bad as India trying to tackle covid plus the black mould outbreak,
Not good.
But hey as long as we can all go to night clubs and football matches it worthwhile... isn't it?
its life and we need to start living it again it’s never going away
Yes we do but once again it's been a mess of what's announced, clarity of information is required in such things..
In just over a week we've gone from no masks to some wishy washy suggested be considerate of others, when the policy of such has to be specific..
Wales, on this have been much clearer.."
Whats hard to understand that people make their own judgement on wearing masks, do you really need government rules instead of using common sense? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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Wales, on this have been much clearer..Whats hard to understand that people make their own judgement on wearing masks, do you really need government rules instead of using common sense?"
Common sense is different to people not giving a shit |
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"Whats hard to understand that people make their own judgement on wearing masks, do you really need government rules instead of using common sense?"
Should people also be allowed to use common sense when deciding whether or not to wear seat belts and crash helmets ? |
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"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails.
Well said.
Listening to the PM's logic opening up now before flu season starts make's actual sense however what happens if case's continue to rise and the NHS becomes strained again it's pretty much on its knees at the moment without covid, and we hit flu season and case's go through the roof.
We are in a double pandemic situation which is going to be as bad as India trying to tackle covid plus the black mould outbreak,
Not good.
But hey as long as we can all go to night clubs and football matches it worthwhile... isn't it?
its life and we need to start living it again it’s never going away
Yes we do but once again it's been a mess of what's announced, clarity of information is required in such things..
In just over a week we've gone from no masks to some wishy washy suggested be considerate of others, when the policy of such has to be specific..
Wales, on this have been much clearer..Whats hard to understand that people make their own judgement on wearing masks, do you really need government rules instead of using common sense?"
Individual responsibility is something in I would think that the majority have lived by this last 18 months, there are some in society who are by the very nature of their potential exposure to multiple positive people in the course of their work shift on transport, retail etc that deserve to have such things set out..
Leaving it to common sense will not work.. |
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By *ostafunMan
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Wales, on this have been much clearer..Whats hard to understand that people make their own judgement on wearing masks, do you really need government rules instead of using common sense?
Common sense is different to people not giving a shit"
People who don't give a shit as you put it still wont even if it was government rules you will always have dickheads. |
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"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails.
Well said.
Listening to the PM's logic opening up now before flu season starts make's actual sense however what happens if case's continue to rise and the NHS becomes strained again it's pretty much on its knees at the moment without covid, and we hit flu season and case's go through the roof.
We are in a double pandemic situation which is going to be as bad as India trying to tackle covid plus the black mould outbreak,
Not good.
But hey as long as we can all go to night clubs and football matches it worthwhile... isn't it?
its life and we need to start living it again it’s never going away
Yes we do but once again it's been a mess of what's announced, clarity of information is required in such things..
In just over a week we've gone from no masks to some wishy washy suggested be considerate of others, when the policy of such has to be specific..
Wales, on this have been much clearer..Whats hard to understand that people make their own judgement on wearing masks, do you really need government rules instead of using common sense?
Individual responsibility is something in I would think that the majority have lived by this last 18 months, there are some in society who are by the very nature of their potential exposure to multiple positive people in the course of their work shift on transport, retail etc that deserve to have such things set out..
Leaving it to common sense will not work.."
leaving it to government doesn’t seem to of worked either if people want to wear a mask they can it’s just that most people want to get on with life it’s like the flu now it’s here forever |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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Wales, on this have been much clearer..Whats hard to understand that people make their own judgement on wearing masks, do you really need government rules instead of using common sense?
Common sense is different to people not giving a shitPeople who don't give a shit as you put it still wont even if it was government rules you will always have dickheads."
Or read them and don't give a shit |
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"I suppose it all depends on what you believe, if like me you prefer the government to have less control over your life then you will be happy with the freedom of choice."
Equally one might prefer that but to be competent, not dither when decisions are necessary and have clear, concise messaging.. |
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"I suppose it all depends on what you believe, if like me you prefer the government to have less control over your life then you will be happy with the freedom of choice.
Equally one might prefer that but to be competent, not dither when decisions are necessary and have clear, concise messaging.."
I will ask you again what is confusing about people making their own decisions i dont see a problem. Would you prefer to go down the macron route for instance? being told you have to have a vaccine to be a health worker or face fines, having to pay for pcr tests from the autumn, having a health passport or negative test to go to bars,cafes shopping centres etc. |
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"I suppose it all depends on what you believe, if like me you prefer the government to have less control over your life then you will be happy with the freedom of choice.
Equally one might prefer that but to be competent, not dither when decisions are necessary and have clear, concise messaging.. I will ask you again what is confusing about people making their own decisions i dont see a problem. Would you prefer to go down the macron route for instance? being told you have to have a vaccine to be a health worker or face fines, having to pay for pcr tests from the autumn, having a health passport or negative test to go to bars,cafes shopping centres etc. "
I can clearly see both sides.
Freedom of choice is needed, I do believe people shouldn’t be forced into medical decisions, but those choices affect others and people don’t often care too much about that.
It always seems to be very much one way or the other, I think if people weren’t so frustrated with how covid had been dealt with they’d be more understanding of others views.
And health workers have had to have certain vaccines for years lol... half way there! |
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"I suppose it all depends on what you believe, if like me you prefer the government to have less control over your life then you will be happy with the freedom of choice.
Equally one might prefer that but to be competent, not dither when decisions are necessary and have clear, concise messaging.. I will ask you again what is confusing about people making their own decisions i dont see a problem. Would you prefer to go down the macron route for instance? being told you have to have a vaccine to be a health worker or face fines, having to pay for pcr tests from the autumn, having a health passport or negative test to go to bars,cafes shopping centres etc. "
Perhaps comparisons with the devolved nation's might be more appropriate..
I think it's basic common sense to mandate mask wearing on public transport and in retail, it's hardly being locked down and society can function fully with such things.. |
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"100% yes for the passports. You can make your choice but don’t expect to get the same freedoms as someone who is vaccinated if you don’t get it yourself. "
100% yes to same freedoms as vaccinated x |
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"100% yes for the passports. You can make your choice but don’t expect to get the same freedoms as someone who is vaccinated if you don’t get it yourself.
100% yes to same freedoms as vaccinated x"
If you choose not to have the vaccine you have not earned those freedoms and thus don’t deserve them, as with all decisions there are consequences to face. |
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"100% yes for the passports. You can make your choice but don’t expect to get the same freedoms as someone who is vaccinated if you don’t get it yourself.
100% yes to same freedoms as vaccinated x
If you choose not to have the vaccine you have not earned those freedoms and thus don’t deserve them, as with all decisions there are consequences to face."
I have had them both! But no peeps that decide not to have them shd not b penalized! X |
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By *ostafunMan
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"I suppose it all depends on what you believe, if like me you prefer the government to have less control over your life then you will be happy with the freedom of choice.
Equally one might prefer that but to be competent, not dither when decisions are necessary and have clear, concise messaging.. I will ask you again what is confusing about people making their own decisions i dont see a problem. Would you prefer to go down the macron route for instance? being told you have to have a vaccine to be a health worker or face fines, having to pay for pcr tests from the autumn, having a health passport or negative test to go to bars,cafes shopping centres etc.
Perhaps comparisons with the devolved nation's might be more appropriate..
I think it's basic common sense to mandate mask wearing on public transport and in retail, it's hardly being locked down and society can function fully with such things.. "
Maybe but if they did that people would then be saying "why do i have to wear one in a shop when i dont in a pub or a club" which they would have every right to question and call the government out for sending mixed messages.
In my view it much better to let the companies decide, if a pub only wants to let vaccinated people in let them the anti vaxers can go to one that does let them,freedom of choice. |
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"100% yes for the passports. You can make your choice but don’t expect to get the same freedoms as someone who is vaccinated if you don’t get it yourself.
100% yes to same freedoms as vaccinated x
If you choose not to have the vaccine you have not earned those freedoms and thus don’t deserve them, as with all decisions there are consequences to face.
I have had them both! But no peeps that decide not to have them shd not b penalized! X"
Of cause they should, the good things should be earned not given freely because others did the work. |
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"100% yes for the passports. You can make your choice but don’t expect to get the same freedoms as someone who is vaccinated if you don’t get it yourself.
100% yes to same freedoms as vaccinated x
If you choose not to have the vaccine you have not earned those freedoms and thus don’t deserve them, as with all decisions there are consequences to face.
I have had them both! But no peeps that decide not to have them shd not b penalized! X
Of cause they should, the good things should be earned not given freely because others did the work."
Soz disagree! X |
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In the end entry and exit controls into sovereign countries will be down to those individual countries or any collective agreement.
No one has the right to enter another country without complying with their rules and regulations.
So you may not require a covid vacinne to get into the UK, but getting out is the decision of a body outside the UKs control.
So passport or no passport is kinda irrelevant as a passport is only one requirement of any traveller. |
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"In the end entry and exit controls into sovereign countries will be down to those individual countries or any collective agreement.
No one has the right to enter another country without complying with their rules and regulations.
So you may not require a covid vacinne to get into the UK, but getting out is the decision of a body outside the UKs control.
So passport or no passport is kinda irrelevant as a passport is only one requirement of any traveller. "
Sure that's a whole new ball game! But within the uk shd not have to have one! I had to download the nhs pass last week to get into hampton court flower show but tbh the way they checked them could have been a code to pick up a parcel from argos lol x |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"I suppose it all depends on what you believe, if like me you prefer the government to have less control over your life then you will be happy with the freedom of choice.
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As it won't be compulsory to wear them then you are not being controlled by the Gov. Some people prefer to think about other people instead so will carry on wearing them of their own free will |
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"Whats hard to understand that people make their own judgement on wearing masks, do you really need government rules instead of using common sense?
Should people also be allowed to use common sense when deciding whether or not to wear seat belts and crash helmets ? "
Should people also be allowed to use common sense when deciding whether or not to drink and drive? Should people be allowed to just use common sense when deciding what speed to drive at? Surely no need for government to infringe upon people's freedom there? After all, anybody that is afraid of being hit by a d*unk driver, or afraid of being hit by a car doing 120 mph past their front door, should just stay indoors for the rest of their lives. There's no need for poxy government interference, why should the people have to face responsibility for their actions?
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"Whats hard to understand that people make their own judgement on wearing masks, do you really need government rules instead of using common sense?
Should people also be allowed to use common sense when deciding whether or not to wear seat belts and crash helmets ?
Should people also be allowed to use common sense when deciding whether or not to drink and drive? Should people be allowed to just use common sense when deciding what speed to drive at? Surely no need for government to infringe upon people's freedom there? After all, anybody that is afraid of being hit by a d*unk driver, or afraid of being hit by a car doing 120 mph past their front door, should just stay indoors for the rest of their lives. There's no need for poxy government interference, why should the people have to face responsibility for their actions?
Freedom! Freedom! Freedom!"
yes lets let pubs, clubs, cinamas ,theatres etc go to the wall because we are all frightened to open up when the virus is killing less people than flu does every year now. |
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"Last time I looked (today) the number of infections was still growing exponentially, any effect of vaccinations in slowing the spread being negated by the abandonment of public health measures. There is now absolutely nothing to flatten the curve until every person in the country that is going to get infected has caught it.
It is no longer an unacknowledged experiment in herd immunity, it has become a quite blatent experiment in 100% herd exposure. It could be that with the vaccinations, the proportion of the population becoming seriously ill might be manageable. Or it might not.
The rest of the world will be looking on with interest. We are either pioneers showing that the way out of the epidemic lies in embracing the virus, or the sad example of how a population can descend into crisis when government fails."
I was reading today about the Dutch PM who recently relaxed restrictions and the infections went through the roof but hospital admissions remained steady but not really high. Due to their vaccination programme. However they then went back to restrictions and he apologised for relaxing to quickly. |
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"Health secretary has just confirmed in the Commons we're moving to Step 4 on the 19th.
I misread that.
Thought it said they are moving Sept 4th to the 19th.
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I had to re read for this exact reason.. *insert face-palm emoji here* |
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"After the Wembley mass spreader event, I suspect lockdown before Xmas.
You my friend are a fear monger.why do we need a lockdown for winter when booster jabs will be available to all over 50s. "
Sadly they will lock down no matter what. |
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Masks ,,,, it’s still the law to wear them in public transport until the 19th , hardly anyone is wearing them , I’ve been to London on a coach , then tubes etc , no one challenges you , signage is no longer around , on the coach you have to sit next to a stranger who is not wearing a mask , if people really think it’s the end of Covid , it ain’t |
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"Masks ,,,, it’s still the law to wear them in public transport until the 19th , hardly anyone is wearing them , I’ve been to London on a coach , then tubes etc , no one challenges you , signage is no longer around , on the coach you have to sit next to a stranger who is not wearing a mask , if people really think it’s the end of Covid , it ain’t "
know one thinks it’s over we all know it will be here for ever
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"After the Wembley mass spreader event, I suspect lockdown before Xmas.
You my friend are a fear monger.why do we need a lockdown for winter when booster jabs will be available to all over 50s.
Sadly they will lock down no matter what. "
Um dont think so x |
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"After the Wembley mass spreader event, I suspect lockdown before Xmas.
You my friend are a fear monger.why do we need a lockdown for winter when booster jabs will be available to all over 50s.
Sadly they will lock down no matter what. "
What will be the point?
Very few people are likely to take future lockdowns seriously. Quite a lot obeyed the first session, considerably less did this time around.
Boris might just about ride on the success of appearing to give us freedom now (in reality, the public have already taken it) but any more lockdowns will be political suicide for him. Certainly not a future vote winner. |
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"Scotlamd being a lot more cautious."
Boris comes out with plan of action , then Nicola comes out with her plan of action afterwards , amazing that isn’t it |
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"Scotlamd being a lot more cautious.
Boris comes out with plan of action , then Nicola comes out with her plan of action afterwards , amazing that isn’t it "
Well considering her plan of action is different from his..not really no. |
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"No point in having a vaccine if we don’t open up now.
Cases are going up but deaths and numbers being hospitalised are way down based on previous ratios to cases
Who cares about case numbers if it doesn’t result in deaths ramping up? Are we going to start recording flu cases on a day by day basis from now on?
I care.
The forecast is the cases will go to about 100,000 a day in two weeks time and will make the hospital cases go up too. They also forecast about 200 deaths a day through the summer.
Now maybe others think that is acceptable to let it spread this way or that any death is acceptable but after all the sacrifices we have made in the last 15 months or so, I don't. Vulnerable people are still being told to more or less stay in too. It feels like we are back at the beginning and peoples lives or health don't matter as we will just go for herd immunity
The saddest thing is the youngsters stuck with it for the last year to help all the older people out and they are the ones who have not all been vaccinated yet to lessen the blow of it. Not every youngster will get it mild, it seems to be a very random illness"
Genuine question the Influenza and Pneumonia Recorded Deaths in the UK were as followed -
UK 2018 Total deaths 29,516
UK 2019 Total Deaths 26,398
Source
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020
Now back then it was not on the news every day as daily figures, and probably couldn't contemplate
Lockdowns, stay at home orders, 10k fines and so on.
In fact for most of us these deaths passed by pretty much unnoticed as a generally accepted part of life (in the same way other causes of death do even now). The only time it did make news was during the winters when some hospitals began to really struggle with the outbreaks (one of the main reasons for the government to issue covid restrictions).
Do you think in hindsight, and given your current covid stance that we should have imposed lockdowns, masks restrictions, cancelled concerts, removed fans from sporting events, closed all nightclubs, shut down the whole hospitality sector etc during the winter period of 2018 through to 2019 when the flu outbreaks above were taking its highest toll on both the NHS and those infected?
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"That was deaths with flu without lockdowns. We have over 130,000 dead with lockdowns, imagine how many there would have been without lockdown
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Exactly yet people still believe that the lockdowns didn't work!! |
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"That was deaths with flu without lockdowns. We have over 130,000 dead with lockdowns, imagine how many there would have been without lockdown
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I not disputing that at all. I'm also not against lockdowns under the right set of circumstances they are necessary, i.e. to stop the NHS been overwhelmed a primary reason.
My question is do you think we should have in hind sight implemented / restrictions to reduce the 56,000 flu deaths over 2017 & 2018 of which a large amount were during the winter period of Dec 2017 to Feb 2018? Bear in mind during that winter many reports stated a number of hospitals were struggling to cope?
I'm asking this because to move forward now with fully unlocking its likely that even with the vaccine we could have in the region of 100 deaths a day to covid or around 30,000 covid deaths a year (again that's society fully unlocked with a vaccinated population).
This has been deemed by many scientists and politicians as an acceptable price to pay for a fully open and functioning society. Part of that is based on the fact that we have for many many years accepted a similar level of flu deaths without question.
So if you advocate that we shouldn't accept opening up and losing potentially 30,000 people annually to covid as a result then surely in hind sight you would advocate to apply the same measures to bring down the flu deaths.
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"That was deaths with flu without lockdowns. We have over 130,000 dead with lockdowns, imagine how many there would have been without lockdown
I not disputing that at all. I'm also not against lockdowns under the right set of circumstances they are necessary, i.e. to stop the NHS been overwhelmed a primary reason.
My question is do you think we should have in hind sight implemented / restrictions to reduce the 56,000 flu deaths over 2017 & 2018 of which a large amount were during the winter period of Dec 2017 to Feb 2018? Bear in mind during that winter many reports stated a number of hospitals were struggling to cope?
I'm asking this because to move forward now with fully unlocking its likely that even with the vaccine we could have in the region of 100 deaths a day to covid or around 30,000 covid deaths a year (again that's society fully unlocked with a vaccinated population).
This has been deemed by many scientists and politicians as an acceptable price to pay for a fully open and functioning society. Part of that is based on the fact that we have for many many years accepted a similar level of flu deaths without question.
So if you advocate that we shouldn't accept opening up and losing potentially 30,000 people annually to covid as a result then surely in hind sight you would advocate to apply the same measures to bring down the flu deaths.
KJ"
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"That was deaths with flu without lockdowns. We have over 130,000 dead with lockdowns, imagine how many there would have been without lockdown
I not disputing that at all. I'm also not against lockdowns under the right set of circumstances they are necessary, i.e. to stop the NHS been overwhelmed a primary reason.
My question is do you think we should have in hind sight implemented / restrictions to reduce the 56,000 flu deaths over 2017 & 2018 of which a large amount were during the winter period of Dec 2017 to Feb 2018? Bear in mind during that winter many reports stated a number of hospitals were struggling to cope?
I'm asking this because to move forward now with fully unlocking its likely that even with the vaccine we could have in the region of 100 deaths a day to covid or around 30,000 covid deaths a year (again that's society fully unlocked with a vaccinated population).
This has been deemed by many scientists and politicians as an acceptable price to pay for a fully open and functioning society. Part of that is based on the fact that we have for many many years accepted a similar level of flu deaths without question.
So if you advocate that we shouldn't accept opening up and losing potentially 30,000 people annually to covid as a result then surely in hind sight you would advocate to apply the same measures to bring down the flu deaths.
KJ
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We are in the middle of a global pandemic. Covid is not flu. We all have to accept that people will die of illness through the year. Flu does not halt the country for best part of a year. Flu is a winter illness that tests the NHS more or less every year because in winter other illness's also put a strain on the NHS.
It is still nothing on this level where the NHS have to shut the NHS to operations / illness for best part of the year. People have to realise there is a difference between other illness's and Covid
The projection is 200 a day which is more than 30,000 a year if it carried on .
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"That was deaths with flu without lockdowns. We have over 130,000 dead with lockdowns, imagine how many there would have been without lockdown
I not disputing that at all. I'm also not against lockdowns under the right set of circumstances they are necessary, i.e. to stop the NHS been overwhelmed a primary reason.
My question is do you think we should have in hind sight implemented / restrictions to reduce the 56,000 flu deaths over 2017 & 2018 of which a large amount were during the winter period of Dec 2017 to Feb 2018? Bear in mind during that winter many reports stated a number of hospitals were struggling to cope?
I'm asking this because to move forward now with fully unlocking its likely that even with the vaccine we could have in the region of 100 deaths a day to covid or around 30,000 covid deaths a year (again that's society fully unlocked with a vaccinated population).
This has been deemed by many scientists and politicians as an acceptable price to pay for a fully open and functioning society. Part of that is based on the fact that we have for many many years accepted a similar level of flu deaths without question.
So if you advocate that we shouldn't accept opening up and losing potentially 30,000 people annually to covid as a result then surely in hind sight you would advocate to apply the same measures to bring down the flu deaths.
KJ"
Except its been estimated that it will be 72000.
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"That was deaths with flu without lockdowns. We have over 130,000 dead with lockdowns, imagine how many there would have been without lockdown
I not disputing that at all. I'm also not against lockdowns under the right set of circumstances they are necessary, i.e. to stop the NHS been overwhelmed a primary reason.
My question is do you think we should have in hind sight implemented / restrictions to reduce the 56,000 flu deaths over 2017 & 2018 of which a large amount were during the winter period of Dec 2017 to Feb 2018? Bear in mind during that winter many reports stated a number of hospitals were struggling to cope?
I'm asking this because to move forward now with fully unlocking its likely that even with the vaccine we could have in the region of 100 deaths a day to covid or around 30,000 covid deaths a year (again that's society fully unlocked with a vaccinated population).
This has been deemed by many scientists and politicians as an acceptable price to pay for a fully open and functioning society. Part of that is based on the fact that we have for many many years accepted a similar level of flu deaths without question.
So if you advocate that we shouldn't accept opening up and losing potentially 30,000 people annually to covid as a result then surely in hind sight you would advocate to apply the same measures to bring down the flu deaths.
KJ
Except its been estimated that it will be 72000.
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So models have suggest it could be that high yes. Other models suggest as low as 10,000.
Incidently the Asian Flu outbreak led to approx 80,000 deaths in the UK winter of 68-69. However there was no shutting down of whole sections of society life simply went on.
We have 2/3 of adults double jabbed with peak protection and a lot of natural immunity in the recently infected, its the summer months and the school holidays are coming up. If we don't try and get our society open now then its not going to be possible this year its as simple as that.
The main if not only reason for the lockdowns was to stop the NHS from becoming overwhelmed. As long as that doesn't happen this summer then life will have to go on. If the NHS starts to get into trouble then yes some brakes will have to be applied.
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"That was deaths with flu without lockdowns. We have over 130,000 dead with lockdowns, imagine how many there would have been without lockdown
I not disputing that at all. I'm also not against lockdowns under the right set of circumstances they are necessary, i.e. to stop the NHS been overwhelmed a primary reason.
My question is do you think we should have in hind sight implemented / restrictions to reduce the 56,000 flu deaths over 2017 & 2018 of which a large amount were during the winter period of Dec 2017 to Feb 2018? Bear in mind during that winter many reports stated a number of hospitals were struggling to cope?
I'm asking this because to move forward now with fully unlocking its likely that even with the vaccine we could have in the region of 100 deaths a day to covid or around 30,000 covid deaths a year (again that's society fully unlocked with a vaccinated population).
This has been deemed by many scientists and politicians as an acceptable price to pay for a fully open and functioning society. Part of that is based on the fact that we have for many many years accepted a similar level of flu deaths without question.
So if you advocate that we shouldn't accept opening up and losing potentially 30,000 people annually to covid as a result then surely in hind sight you would advocate to apply the same measures to bring down the flu deaths.
KJ
Except its been estimated that it will be 72000.
So models have suggest it could be that high yes. Other models suggest as low as 10,000.
Incidently the Asian Flu outbreak led to approx 80,000 deaths in the UK winter of 68-69. However there was no shutting down of whole sections of society life simply went on.
We have 2/3 of adults double jabbed with peak protection and a lot of natural immunity in the recently infected, its the summer months and the school holidays are coming up. If we don't try and get our society open now then its not going to be possible this year its as simple as that.
The main if not only reason for the lockdowns was to stop the NHS from becoming overwhelmed. As long as that doesn't happen this summer then life will have to go on. If the NHS starts to get into trouble then yes some brakes will have to be applied.
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"Why would air be a problem in a intramuscular injection.
They are not Injecting anything into your veins."
Not intentionally. And even if they did, the amount would be too small to cause many problems. The recognised fatal quantity of air injected directly into the circulatory system is 300-500mL. Although there is a paper on the pubmed-ncbi database "Adenovirus-induced thrombocytopenia" which could explain some of the problems of the AZ/J&J vaccines, if inadvertently injected into a blood vessel. Most vaccine-injections are not aspirated by the person injecting anymore.. |
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The main if not only reason for the lockdowns was to stop the NHS from becoming overwhelmed. As long as that doesn't happen this summer then life will have to go on. If the NHS starts to get into trouble then yes some brakes will have to be applied.
KJ "
The NHS is in trouble now.
Staff are leaving the service in increasing amounts.
The local hospital has seen half of its ICU-trained staff leave in the last month.
The only source of replacement is by poaching from other hospitals.
Staff not leaving are facing an massive increase in mental health disorders and massive stress.
This is not going to get any better as time goes on |
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