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By *weedeldumb OP Couple (MM)
over a year ago
Leeds & Harrogate |
Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it???  |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Lot better than the 1000 to 1500 per day as was happenening 3 months ago..
COVID will be the cause of death for most of us one day. Like flu, you get over it, and over it until one day, ir wins.
Many of us will get COVID more than once until that one time it over powers us. This is "learning to live with it". |
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Probably much better to take data from reputable spurces directly, rather than media sites, which may misreport the evidence.
As an ever increasing proportion of the population get vacconated, including the immuno-compromised, there will be an ever increasing number of people who get infected and die, who were vaccinated. Immunity is not immediate, nor universal for all people, all of the time.
It is still better for the country to have a vaccinated population than the opposite, as we can see from the marked differences betwixt now and in late winter |
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By *weedeldumb OP Couple (MM)
over a year ago
Leeds & Harrogate |
"Lot better than the 1000 to 1500 per day as was happenening 3 months ago..
COVID will be the cause of death for most of us one day. Like flu, you get over it, and over it until one day, ir wins.
Many of us will get COVID more than once until that one time it over powers us. This is "learning to live with it"."
I take your point about it being lower figures and yes I'd agree that is a positive.
Where do you get your evidence from it will be the number one killer of the future? More than say cancer or heart attacks? Flu itself even? Not suggesting you are wrong just curious to your reasoning. |
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By *weedeldumb OP Couple (MM)
over a year ago
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"Probably much better to take data from reputable spurces directly, rather than media sites, which may misreport the evidence.
As an ever increasing proportion of the population get vacconated, including the immuno-compromised, there will be an ever increasing number of people who get infected and die, who were vaccinated. Immunity is not immediate, nor universal for all people, all of the time.
It is still better for the country to have a vaccinated population than the opposite, as we can see from the marked differences betwixt now and in late winter "
So you are suggesting we disregard information from Public Health England as they are not a reputable source? Neither are Sky News? Ok. Noted. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well in my local trust the patients that are currently admitted are all unvaccinated. However the delta variant means that the first vaccine is only around 30% effective  |
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This is where it will get tricky on reporting double vaxxed deaths with Covid-19, we will still have up to 10,000 deaths a week from various causes and some will include with Covid-19, for whatever reason people will still die we just need to come to some sort of acceptance of it |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it??? "
How many people die of old age existing health issues accidents etc ?
Now how many of those were in the at risk groups such as old age who will have been offered and accepted the vaccine but still would have died anyway!
Getting vaccinated is still better than not as we get them for most everything else  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm not saying this is the reason but it could be down to acouple of things.
What are the demographics of the people? I dont know but is there difference in terms of age etc between vaxed and unvaxed? If one group was older is there other factors such as having comorbidities?
Someday it is possible you will see statistics that 85%+ of people dying have had the vaccine whereas 15% have not been vaccinated. Does that mean the vaccine doesnt work? What if 99% of the population were vaccinated at the time? Does that mean it is effective or not?
Im just making this bit up but say for example a new disease hit. Every single person in uk got vaccinated apart from 100 people. 1200 of the millions in the population die from this disease, 22 of those were from the 100 people that did not. This would suggest the vaccine is very effective although a much higher rate of those dying have been vaccinated. In this example 1.8% of people that died were unvaccinated whereas 98.2% of deaths were people vaccinated. In this example i want to be in the vaccinated group!
I dont know about covid but these might be things that could explain why see more in vaccinated group being affected |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It seems that most goverments have accepted it wont go away and that people are doing whatever they like and ignoring the basic guidelines (How many of you still sanitise your hand when going into and out of a shop?). The harsh reality is people will die from this everyday and everywhere in the world but the goverments will only react if their health system reaches breaking point, up to that point its up to all of us to be sensible |
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"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it??? "
Without searching for your data its simple maths. In this area over 90% of adults have been vaccinated. So of a group of people dieing only having slightly fewer deaths in the unvaccinated group shows the massive benefit of vaccination. I would get my calculator out to give the percentages but maybe later. |
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"Probably much better to take data from reputable spurces directly, rather than media sites, which may misreport the evidence.
As an ever increasing proportion of the population get vacconated, including the immuno-compromised, there will be an ever increasing number of people who get infected and die, who were vaccinated. Immunity is not immediate, nor universal for all people, all of the time.
It is still better for the country to have a vaccinated population than the opposite, as we can see from the marked differences betwixt now and in late winter
So you are suggesting we disregard information from Public Health England as they are not a reputable source? Neither are Sky News? Ok. Noted. "
Source evidence that's not been subject to media spin and interpretation is always the best. My other points stand |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it??? "
A small percentage of a large number is going to be more than a larger percentage of a smaller number. Eg (made up number to illustrate point)
1,000,000 vaccinated people where 0.5% die = 5,000 deaths
100,000 unvaccinated people where 2% die = 2,000 deaths
Clearly more people who are vaccinated die but that is because we are now in a situation in UK where more people are vaccinated than not.
It is not the absolute number that matters. It is the percentage/proportion in each group.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well in my local trust the patients that are currently admitted are all unvaccinated. However the delta variant means that the first vaccine is only around 30% effective "
I thought data was released earlier this week that said the effectiveness in regards to the Delta variant varied from 86% to 92% depending on which vaccine you have had. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If the Indian and Pakistan population would have there vaccine less people would die and it wouldn't spread ,"
This is my school of thought, we need to concentrate on getting the rest of the world vaccinated. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it??? "
Yes, the vaccine doesn't make you immortal.
The old and vulnerable were vaccinated first and there is a higher proportion of them vaccinated, unfortunately, due to age and vulnerability, these people are still more vulnerable to all illnesses, not just covid.
The unvaccinated are likely to be younger and less vulnerable to illnesses, hence less deaths in that group.
If you care to look at other data, you'll see that most cases are now in the younger demographic, the least vaccinated group, which gives us confidence the vaccines are doing what was intended, REDUCING the risk of passing it on, hospitalisation and death.
It was never sold as a miracle cure. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it??? "
Tell the whole story please. Don't just pick out biymts tgat suit etc. The vadt majority of those who dies were elderly who would have had both jabs allready. Also they may have had underlying health conditions. Display all the correct facts before you start to scaremonger which I personally am suck and tired of along with millions of other people. You don't do any favours with your thread. Just spread division. Stop IT Now. FFS. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it???
Tell the whole story please. Don't just pick out biymts tgat suit etc. The vadt majority of those who dies were elderly who would have had both jabs allready. Also they may have had underlying health conditions. Display all the correct facts before you start to scaremonger which I personally am suck and tired of along with millions of other people. You don't do any favours with your thread. Just spread division. Stop IT Now. FFS. "
Woah! Steady on! Do NOT shoot the messenger. The author is pretty much telling you the 'whole story'. I saw this too and it caught my attention. Basically the newsreader tells us that of the deaths from the Delta Variant there were 92 unvaccinated and 118 vaccinated. The only bits I can add is that the newsreader said "Most were over 50" but he also added "This is because the vaccine is good. But its not THAT good" With him emphasising the word 'that'.
If you think division is being spread then contact Sky News directly.
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"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it???
Tell the whole story please. Don't just pick out biymts tgat suit etc. The vadt majority of those who dies were elderly who would have had both jabs allready. Also they may have had underlying health conditions. Display all the correct facts before you start to scaremonger which I personally am suck and tired of along with millions of other people. You don't do any favours with your thread. Just spread division. Stop IT Now. FFS. "
The OP is telling you the truth. I saw this on Sky and it concerned me too. But in a nutshell the presenter was making it crystal clear that more vaccinated people had died than unvaccinated. Is that Sky 'scaremongering'? I dunno. But that's what they said! |
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"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it???
Tell the whole story please. Don't just pick out biymts tgat suit etc. The vadt majority of those who dies were elderly who would have had both jabs allready. Also they may have had underlying health conditions. Display all the correct facts before you start to scaremonger which I personally am suck and tired of along with millions of other people. You don't do any favours with your thread. Just spread division. Stop IT Now. FFS.
Woah! Steady on! Do NOT shoot the messenger. The author is pretty much telling you the 'whole story'. I saw this too and it caught my attention. Basically the newsreader tells us that of the deaths from the Delta Variant there were 92 unvaccinated and 118 vaccinated. The only bits I can add is that the newsreader said "Most were over 50" but he also added "This is because the vaccine is good. But its not THAT good" With him emphasising the word 'that'.
If you think division is being spread then contact Sky News directly.
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Yep! I saw this too. My jaw hit the floor when the bloke said "That's because the vaccine is good. But. Its not that good." |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it??? "
Kinda makes you think.. doesn't it   |
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By *omnvixCouple
over a year ago
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The Sky expert did say this. We both saw this and were a bit taken aback by the words but he cited Public Health England as the source of the data and Sky are duty bound by OfCom and all that to be accurate. Ok there can be mistakes but the piece seemed very accurate in its presentation. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"The Sky expert did say this. We both saw this and were a bit taken aback by the words but he cited Public Health England as the source of the data and Sky are duty bound by OfCom and all that to be accurate. Ok there can be mistakes but the piece seemed very accurate in its presentation. "
Yeah but saying it without context is causing fear, it's very irresponsible. (sky news, not you) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Sky expert did say this. We both saw this and were a bit taken aback by the words but he cited Public Health England as the source of the data and Sky are duty bound by OfCom and all that to be accurate. Ok there can be mistakes but the piece seemed very accurate in its presentation. "
I dont think Sky or any other media outlet really tells the truth, they all put their interpretation on the facts to suit there needs and get more viewers. Its all about the money after all lol  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Sky expert did say this. We both saw this and were a bit taken aback by the words but he cited Public Health England as the source of the data and Sky are duty bound by OfCom and all that to be accurate. Ok there can be mistakes but the piece seemed very accurate in its presentation.
I dont think Sky or any other media outlet really tells the truth, they all put their interpretation on the facts to suit there needs and get more viewers. Its all about the money after all lol "
oh you're right about the money bit. I am sure of that! |
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The statistics are a bit of a red herring. Firstly, the figure they have used as "vaccinated" includes those who gave had only their first jab but more importantly, the figures do net reflect the fact that many vaccinated people have been exposed to the virus and not been infected or needed hospital treatment.
This link is one of many press reports on these misleading figures.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57610998
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it??? "
These statistics are meaningless without context.
The context is that the average age of all Covid deaths in the UK is 80.4 years old.
Therefore there will be far more people dying in the age categories that have more people fully vaccinated.
It's just a fear mongering presentation of the statistics. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Those first vaccinated will now be approaching six months since their second dose. Up to 30% of the elderly/immunocompromised will now not have any vaccine induced immunity. Many will have a reduced immunity due to age-related issues (immunosenesence) which will affect their response to infection. Not only will there be no deaths of unvaccinated in the case of 100% vaccination, there will, in that case, be a 100% tally of deaths of vaccinated people.
Everybody dies. |
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"The statistics are a bit of a red herring. Firstly, the figure they have used as "vaccinated" includes those who gave had only their first jab but more importantly, the figures do net reflect the fact that many vaccinated people have been exposed to the virus and not been infected or needed hospital treatment.
This link is one of many press reports on these misleading figures.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57610998
Cal"
Ah ok. So the BBC are running press reports explaining how other national broadcasters are misleading viewers with red herrings?
This is the place we're at. Great. |
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"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it???
These statistics are meaningless without context.
The context is that the average age of all Covid deaths in the UK is 80.4 years old.
Therefore there will be far more people dying in the age categories that have more people fully vaccinated.
It's just a fear mongering presentation of the statistics."
I understand the point you make perfectly.
What I don't understand is why such as Sky News feel the urge to scaremonger what is an already anxious public. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it???
These statistics are meaningless without context.
The context is that the average age of all Covid deaths in the UK is 80.4 years old.
Therefore there will be far more people dying in the age categories that have more people fully vaccinated.
It's just a fear mongering presentation of the statistics.
I understand the point you make perfectly.
What I don't understand is why such as Sky News feel the urge to scaremonger what is an already anxious public. "
Fear sells. |
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"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it??? "
It's very sad but no vaccine is 100%.
It was never promised to be 100%
Mix that with comorbidities and sadly deaths will occur.
It's so sad for both victims and families. |
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"The statistics are a bit of a red herring. Firstly, the figure they have used as "vaccinated" includes those who gave had only their first jab but more importantly, the figures do net reflect the fact that many vaccinated people have been exposed to the virus and not been infected or needed hospital treatment.
This link is one of many press reports on these misleading figures.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57610998
Cal
Ah ok. So the BBC are running press reports explaining how other national broadcasters are misleading viewers with red herrings?
This is the place we're at. Great. "
The same "propaganda" has been all over social media before SkyNews got to it. |
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Data is corect an interview on the world service with a british doc said he was overun with covid cases in his hospital and most had two jabs and think they are imune but they are filling up the hospitals because they wont distance and take precautions thinking that two jabs meens the can go out and party |
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I believe the metric used is still "death within 28 days of a positive Covid test". You can still catch Covid being double jabbed. And then die if something unrelated, and it's still recorded as a Covid death.
I get it's probably the only way we could have tracked the death count during the pandemic, but it's still a very blunt method that doesn't actually tell us how many have died, or are dying, of Covid.
I believe the only time we're ever going to get the death count to a firm zero is when we stop testing for it, or when we change the metric to actually have Covid as the cause of death. Can't see either happening any time soon. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"What about the increase in children being admitted to hospital with covid? This is an alarming change in the demographics when we were told that they were less likely to catch covid. "
Quite alot of children being admitted to hospital are suffering with other respiratory illnesses.
The delta variant is more transmissible and it is now affecting more young people as they are unvaccinated. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Data is corect an interview on the world service with a british doc said he was overun with covid cases in his hospital and most had two jabs and think they are imune but they are filling up the hospitals because they wont distance and take precautions thinking that two jabs meens the can go out and party "
Older and vulnerable people are more likely to be vaccinated, they are also more likely to be suffering from other illnesses, and tbh, are not as likely to be partying, it's more likely unvaccinated relatives are passing it onto them.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals#hospital-admissions-by-age
Quite clearly the vaccines are working, especially when you look at the data regarding new infections.
The age of people that are dying from it has also dropped. |
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Once again the maths is misunderstood.
If you have 40 million people vacinnated then most people dying will be double jabbed.
Also the most vulnerable to this disease will be double jabbed were as the less vulnerable won't.
The key is are those deaths less than they were in those groups before they were jabbed.
So baseline is the death from covid in X age group pre jab, verses the death rate from covid in the same age group post jab.
Its very simple and the daily death rates from those dying within 28 days of a positive covid test have moved dramatically down.
Whether you feel the test is valid or not as an explanation of the cause of death, it has remained a constant metric so shows the impact of the vacinne on the trend.
The trend is fewer deaths and hospitalisations.
Those expecting it to be zero are mis understanding the science of how vacinnes work. |
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By *weedeldumb OP Couple (MM)
over a year ago
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"Once again the maths is misunderstood.
If you have 40 million people vacinnated then most people dying will be double jabbed.
Also the most vulnerable to this disease will be double jabbed were as the less vulnerable won't.
The key is are those deaths less than they were in those groups before they were jabbed.
So baseline is the death from covid in X age group pre jab, verses the death rate from covid in the same age group post jab.
Its very simple and the daily death rates from those dying within 28 days of a positive covid test have moved dramatically down.
Whether you feel the test is valid or not as an explanation of the cause of death, it has remained a constant metric so shows the impact of the vacinne on the trend.
The trend is fewer deaths and hospitalisations.
Those expecting it to be zero are mis understanding the science of how vacinnes work. "
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Absolutely. What you have said makes perfect sense.
The actual question I guess I'm rhetorically asking - and maybe should have made the post clearer originally - then is:
"Why didn't the Sky presenter simply explain it just as you have done? Instead of just alluding to (he wasn't 'blaming' as such) the vaccine's inadequacy?"
A succinct explanation would have worked but we did not get one. |
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By *weedeldumb OP Couple (MM)
over a year ago
Leeds & Harrogate |
"There needs to be a distinction between dying with covid and dying because of covid, the two are very different "
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Fully agree. The one thing the Sky article did make clear was that these Public Health England figures were people dying FROM it. Not 'with' it. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Once again the maths is misunderstood.
If you have 40 million people vacinnated then most people dying will be double jabbed.
Also the most vulnerable to this disease will be double jabbed were as the less vulnerable won't.
The key is are those deaths less than they were in those groups before they were jabbed.
So baseline is the death from covid in X age group pre jab, verses the death rate from covid in the same age group post jab.
Its very simple and the daily death rates from those dying within 28 days of a positive covid test have moved dramatically down.
Whether you feel the test is valid or not as an explanation of the cause of death, it has remained a constant metric so shows the impact of the vacinne on the trend.
The trend is fewer deaths and hospitalisations.
Those expecting it to be zero are mis understanding the science of how vacinnes work.
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Absolutely. What you have said makes perfect sense.
The actual question I guess I'm rhetorically asking - and maybe should have made the post clearer originally - then is:
"Why didn't the Sky presenter simply explain it just as you have done? Instead of just alluding to (he wasn't 'blaming' as such) the vaccine's inadequacy?"
A succinct explanation would have worked but we did not get one. "
Accurate, balanced views and data don't sell, drama and death do unfortunately. |
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"There needs to be a distinction between dying with covid and dying because of covid, the two are very different "
Actually at this stage to measure the effectiveness of the vacinne it makes little difference.
Let's for arguments sake say only 50% of people who die with covid actually die from it.
So long as the measure remains consist, the percentage drop in those dying with covid can be attributed to the vacinne.
Its not like we have suddenly made the world a lot safer by improving driving standards over night or improving cancer care in the last 3 months.
So even if you say people dying with covid is not a valid measure. Mathematically it makes no difference.
Pre vacinne 1000's a day died with covid.
Post vacinne its more like 20-30 a day die with covid.
The difference in the numbers is due to the vacinne as the measurement has remained consistent.
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data"
It's pretty difficult to allege a death. Christ, you're gonna need a citation for this. |
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data"
Jehosophat....you've been reading David [S]icke...who got his data from that publication on [no] renown, the daily expose, who said they got it from a PHE publication entitled "SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England Technical briefing 18 "
Not surprisingly that number of reinfections is not in the document, although there is mention of reinfections, but in a significantly lower figure.
Reinfections, especially in the elderly and the immunocompromised (which could even be asthmatics on corticosteroid inhalers) were expected....the immune system of old people is significantly lower effectiveness than in the young, and they are unable to produce large numbers of mature T cells because of age-related changes.
Nothing to do with the vaccine directly, at 3 months past my second injection of the AZ vaccine, my antibody count is still elevated.
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data
It's pretty difficult to allege a death. Christ, you're gonna need a citation for this."
He sent me the link, it's a conspiracy site and they are basically twisting the data. It's simply because the elderly and vulnerable are more likely to be fully vaccinated, also more likely to die from ANY cause.
Typical conspiracy theory crap. |
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He sent me the link, it's a conspiracy site and they are basically twisting the data. It's simply because the elderly and vulnerable are more likely to be fully vaccinated, also more likely to die from ANY cause.
Typical conspiracy theory crap. "
Understood, thanks! Hardly surprising really. Funny how the DYOR conspiracy fantasists are usually pretty bad at critically reviewing data. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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He sent me the link, it's a conspiracy site and they are basically twisting the data. It's simply because the elderly and vulnerable are more likely to be fully vaccinated, also more likely to die from ANY cause.
Typical conspiracy theory crap.
Understood, thanks! Hardly surprising really. Funny how the DYOR conspiracy fantasists are usually pretty bad at critically reviewing data. "
Yeah, as soon as I saw the site name, I knew exactly what it would be. |
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data"
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57610998
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Yeah, as soon as I saw the site name, I knew exactly what it would be."
I think I've just been sent something similar. Apparently there's no virus (yet cites variant data as evidence)  |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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Yeah, as soon as I saw the site name, I knew exactly what it would be.
I think I've just been sent something similar. Apparently there's no virus (yet cites variant data as evidence) "
Yeah, I've been sent stuff like this too, it's unfortunate that people believe it so easily. |
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57610998
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Just in case people don’t go & look - the article is titled “ Covid: Misleading stat claims more vaccinated people die” |
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"If the Indian and Pakistan population would have there vaccine less people would die and it wouldn't spread ,"
What proportion of people in India and Pakistan have not been vaccinated ? ...and I've noticed that you haven't mentioned the Bangladeshi's ? |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57610998
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It probably doesn't tell you if anyone has any underlying health conditions either which in my opinion can only be the case if any. |
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data"
Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide. |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data
Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide. "
But we can with the unvaccinated surely so far it's the vaccine that has stopped people dying |
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Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide.
But we can with the unvaccinated surely so far it's the vaccine that has stopped people dying"
That's what everyone has been lead to believe. There is no way of proving that any one individual would have died had he/she not taken the vaccine. Given the survival rate of 99.98%, we can almost certainly say, they would have survived. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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"Lot better than the 1000 to 1500 per day as was happenening 3 months ago..
COVID will be the cause of death for most of us one day. Like flu, you get over it, and over it until one day, ir wins.
Many of us will get COVID more than once until that one time it over powers us. This is "learning to live with it".
I take your point about it being lower figures and yes I'd agree that is a positive.
Where do you get your evidence from it will be the number one killer of the future? More than say cancer or heart attacks? Flu itself even? Not suggesting you are wrong just curious to your reasoning."
Because Flu is a background killer, as will COVID once its finished off the easy pickings.
We all get old, we all get frail so like Flu, the next you get it.. it may be the time you dont recover or gets complicated.
Dont need data, 20,000 per year with Flu, COVID will match it in a few years once immunity has been established. |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data
Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide.
But we can with the unvaccinated surely so far it's the vaccine that has stopped people dying
That's what everyone has been lead to believe. There is no way of proving that any one individual would have died had he/she not taken the vaccine. Given the survival rate of 99.98%, we can almost certainly say, they would have survived. "
But the vulnerable were at risk of dying and spreading rapidly now it's not the case because of the vaccine so this alone does prove its not saying the virus jumped hoops and missed people out the vaccine controlled the impact and spread. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data
Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide. "
Oh for goodness sake, nobody can categorically say they won't get killed by a giant spider dressed as a ballerina, its highly unlikely but not definite, you seem to be getting desperate to find any excuse to slag off the vaccines. |
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data
Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide. "
We can however categorically say that Covid has already been responsible for millions of deaths... |
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Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide.
We can however categorically say that Covid has already been responsible for millions of deaths..."
Unless you don't believe that covid exists, although you might believe covid exists but only kills vacinnated people. Because big pharma want to kill their main income source (the old and infirm).
Plus they are not dying of covid in fact all the people who are dead are not dead they just fell off tbe edge of the world, its falt don't you know!
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Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide.
We can however categorically say that Covid has already been responsible for millions of deaths..."
My mate Dave, whose not the brightest of sparks bless him said to me the other week...'if there's a 99.98% chance or surviving Covid if you catch it, why have so many people supposedly died from it ?'........ I think my mate Dave's got a point. |
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Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide. "
I love a bit of amateur epidemiology in the morning |
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data
Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide.
We can however categorically say that Covid has already been responsible for millions of deaths...
My mate Dave, whose not the brightest of sparks bless him said to me the other week...'if there's a 99.98% chance or surviving Covid if you catch it, why have so many people supposedly died from it ?'........ I think my mate Dave's got a point. "
Maybe your mate Dave is onto something here. Could it perhaps be that your 99.98% survival rate is bollocks? Could it be that your mate Dave is actually a lot sharper than anyone who makes stupid and misleading claims about covid being harmless, vaccines being dangerous, and nebulous worldwide conspiracies? |
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data
Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide.
We can however categorically say that Covid has already been responsible for millions of deaths...
My mate Dave, whose not the brightest of sparks bless him said to me the other week...'if there's a 99.98% chance or surviving Covid if you catch it, why have so many people supposedly died from it ?'........ I think my mate Dave's got a point. "
You do realise that your mate Dave is actually your reflection in a mirror  |
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Mortality isn't the only issue with covid. There are also the long term effects.
You might be able to survive having your cock chopped off, doesn't mean you'd want to live without one! |
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Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide.
We can however categorically say that Covid has already been responsible for millions of deaths...
My mate Dave, whose not the brightest of sparks bless him said to me the other week...'if there's a 99.98% chance or surviving Covid if you catch it, why have so many people supposedly died from it ?'........ I think my mate Dave's got a point. "
Not sure where the 99% odds of survival have come from.
It could be that he has looked at the stats for a specific group, so you have to be specific when using stats.
My understanding was that population wise the fatality rate for the unvacinnated was between 2-3%.
This rate is skewed towards the older age groups and the vulnerable.
So if you narrow the population down to say the over 80's the survival rate for unvacinnated in those groups was more like 13-20%,whereas for 20-29 year old it's more like 0.22%.
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age
So great that he does not deny covid exists but you can't extrapolate one age groups mortality rate for the entire population.
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Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide.
We can however categorically say that Covid has already been responsible for millions of deaths...
My mate Dave, whose not the brightest of sparks bless him said to me the other week...'if there's a 99.98% chance or surviving Covid if you catch it, why have so many people supposedly died from it ?'........ I think my mate Dave's got a point.
You do realise that your mate Dave is actually your reflection in a mirror "
Oh come off it. Next you'll be saying Covid doesn't exist ! |
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By *ohnj21Man
over a year ago
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"Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of ALLEGED death due to ‘Covid-19’ than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data
Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide.
We can however categorically say that Covid has already been responsible for millions of deaths...
Unless you don't believe that covid exists, although you might believe covid exists but only kills vacinnated people. Because big pharma want to kill their main income source (the old and infirm).
Plus they are not dying of covid in fact all the people who are dead are not dead they just fell off tbe edge of the world, its falt don't you know!
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Is, the world flat
Did moon landings not happen
Does elvis work at local chippy.
England wanted penalities
Matt hannock wasnt set up.
I won't cum your mouth
Conspiracy theory will believe anything.
Facts 150k worst death rate by population in world long covid exists maybe million people
Gov trying best to cock up vaccination good work
Lockdown 5 aug blamed on public not goverment fault obviously can't expect a goverment to lead if govern dso what have them |
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"Mortality isn't the only issue with covid. There are also the long term effects.
You might be able to survive having your cock chopped off, doesn't mean you'd want to live without one!"
Same could be said of these covid jabs. The effects on the human body in the medium and long term are unknown. It's all good and well saying the vaccines are saving lives now but these covid jabs will cause many complications to come. Whats more concerning is that you wont even know that it is the jab that's caused it. A friend of mine told me a few weeks ago, his mother had her covid jab and a week later she was dead. Now she suffered blood clots and eventually died of a heart attack. They put Myocardial Infarction on her death certificate. He openly admitted to me that she was a healthy fit woman and it was the jab that killed her. It's naive to think that many people will not die due to complications caused by vaccination in the coming future. |
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"Mortality isn't the only issue with covid. There are also the long term effects.
You might be able to survive having your cock chopped off, doesn't mean you'd want to live without one!
Same could be said of these covid jabs. The effects on the human body in the medium and long term are unknown. It's all good and well saying the vaccines are saving lives now but these covid jabs will cause many complications to come. Whats more concerning is that you wont even know that it is the jab that's caused it. A friend of mine told me a few weeks ago, his mother had her covid jab and a week later she was dead. Now she suffered blood clots and eventually died of a heart attack. They put Myocardial Infarction on her death certificate. He openly admitted to me that she was a healthy fit woman and it was the jab that killed her. It's naive to think that many people will not die due to complications caused by vaccination in the coming future. "
No, the same can't be said for the Covid jabs. It's a vaccine, not a drug that's taken over a long period of time. Any effects will be realised and felt in the short term, not in the long term.
We know the vaccine can cause clotting in very rare cases. In fact, women on birth control are more likely to get clotting from that than the vaccine.
"My friend told me" is hearsay I'm afraid. |
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Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world.. |
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"Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world.."
Consistency is not the strong point of theorists.
I'm now over 40 years into this thing called life and so far I've yet to see one conspiracy in that time be proven to be right.
Indeed investigative journalism by the sun has uncovered more truth than conspiracy theorists and that is a very low bar to beat. |
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"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it??? "
Its true that more people are dying.
More vaccinated people are dying because over 80% population have been jabbed. Jab is 90% effective.
I will break it down in simple terms based on 100 people. (Note these are not covid stats but just an example)
Out of those 100 90 have been vaccinated and 10 haven't.
Out of those 100 people 15 have died. (10 from vacinated group 5 from non vaccinated group) so more deaths from vaccinated group.
Death percentage for vaccinated people = 11%
Death percentage for un-vaccinated group = 50%.
Hope that helps.
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it???
Its true that more people are dying.
More vaccinated people are dying because over 80% population have been jabbed. Jab is 90% effective.
I will break it down in simple terms based on 100 people. (Note these are not covid stats but just an example)
Out of those 100 90 have been vaccinated and 10 haven't.
Out of those 100 people 15 have died. (10 from vacinated group 5 from non vaccinated group) so more deaths from vaccinated group.
Death percentage for vaccinated people = 11%
Death percentage for un-vaccinated group = 50%.
Hope that helps.
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Logic, reasoning and a basic understanding of maths seems in short supply when discussing things with conspiracy nuts. |
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Is this really the place to be discussing this topic? , ffs it's everywhere as it is. It would be nice if this site was a refuge from the doom and gloom of the 'new normal!'. |
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"Is this really the place to be discussing this topic? , ffs it's everywhere as it is. It would be nice if this site was a refuge from the doom and gloom of the 'new normal!'."
It's a topical issue, there are fora for games and other such things which are equally avoided as us this one.. |
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"Is this really the place to be discussing this topic? , ffs it's everywhere as it is. It would be nice if this site was a refuge from the doom and gloom of the 'new normal!'.
It's a topical issue, there are fora for games and other such things which are equally avoided as us this one.."
I did put a suggestion to close the virus forum but it was rightly shot down as the these topics would pop up in other threads.
Best to keep them separate |
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"Is this really the place to be discussing this topic? , ffs it's everywhere as it is. It would be nice if this site was a refuge from the doom and gloom of the 'new normal!'."
Then don't browse the Covid section?  |
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"Is this really the place to be discussing this topic? , ffs it's everywhere as it is. It would be nice if this site was a refuge from the doom and gloom of the 'new normal!'.
It's a topical issue, there are fora for games and other such things which are equally avoided as us this one..
I did put a suggestion to close the virus forum but it was rightly shot down as the these topics would pop up in other threads.
Best to keep them separate "
Agree, ditto the politics one .. |
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Nobody can categorically state that in the short, medium or long term, these covid vaccines will not contribute to the death of many many people worldwide.
But we can with the unvaccinated surely so far it's the vaccine that has stopped people dying
That's what everyone has been lead to believe. There is no way of proving that any one individual would have died had he/she not taken the vaccine. Given the survival rate of 99.98%, we can almost certainly say, they would have survived. "
Tell that to my 2 friends who weren’t vaccinated (not available at the time) and died. It is wrong to conflate your opinion with clear facts that vaccines have massively reduced deaths. |
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"Just catching up on the news on Sky and there was an article about the Delta Variant. In the article the presenter clearly states with the help of his studio graphics that whereas 92 unvaccinated people had sadly died of the Delta Variant they advised that 118 fully vaccinated people had died.
They quoted Public Health England as their source.
Now I'm no expert and nor do I wish to be any prophet of doom... but... well, that ain't good is it???
Its true that more people are dying.
More vaccinated people are dying because over 80% population have been jabbed. Jab is 90% effective.
I will break it down in simple terms based on 100 people. (Note these are not covid stats but just an example)
Out of those 100 90 have been vaccinated and 10 haven't.
Out of those 100 people 15 have died. (10 from vacinated group 5 from non vaccinated group) so more deaths from vaccinated group.
Death percentage for vaccinated people = 11%
Death percentage for un-vaccinated group = 50%.
Hope that helps.
Logic, reasoning and a basic understanding of maths seems in short supply when discussing things with conspiracy nuts."
You cant teach stupidity. |
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You might be able to survive having your cock chopped off, doesn't mean you'd want to live without one!
Same could be said of these covid jabs. The effects on the human body in the medium and long term are unknown. It's all good and well saying the vaccines are saving lives now but these covid jabs will cause many complications to come. Whats more concerning is that you wont even know that it is the jab that's caused it. A friend of mine told me a few weeks ago, his mother had her covid jab and a week later she was dead. Now she suffered blood clots and eventually died of a heart attack. They put Myocardial Infarction on her death certificate. He openly admitted to me that she was a healthy fit woman and it was the jab that killed her. It's naive to think that many people will not die due to complications caused by vaccination in the coming future.
No, the same can't be said for the Covid jabs. It's a vaccine, not a drug that's taken over a long period of time. Any effects will be realised and felt in the short term, not in the long term.
We know the vaccine can cause clotting in very rare cases. In fact, women on birth control are more likely to get clotting from that than the vaccine.
"My friend told me" is hearsay I'm afraid."
First of all, nobody knows how often you will have to take these things. For all we know, they may say that you have to have a booster every 6 months for the rest of your life.....that we don't know. Secondly, we haven't experienced this thing inside us long term so you cannot say there will not be any long term complications. Saying that women on birth control are more likely to get blood clots than those that have
taken the jab is just a spurious claim. If you don't want to believe what my friend told me just because it doesn't fit your narrative on these jabs then that's fine by me. |
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"Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world..
Consistency is not the strong point of theorists.
I'm now over 40 years into this thing called life and so far I've yet to see one conspiracy in that time be proven to be right.
Indeed investigative journalism by the sun has uncovered more truth than conspiracy theorists and that is a very low bar to beat. "
When it comes to these death jabs, do you know what the difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is ? .......Answer : 6 months !
You won't need me to tell you that these jabs will carry complications, everyone will see for themselves. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world..
Consistency is not the strong point of theorists.
I'm now over 40 years into this thing called life and so far I've yet to see one conspiracy in that time be proven to be right.
Indeed investigative journalism by the sun has uncovered more truth than conspiracy theorists and that is a very low bar to beat.
When it comes to these death jabs, do you know what the difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is ? .......Answer : 6 months !
You won't need me to tell you that these jabs will carry complications, everyone will see for themselves. "
If nobody knows the long term effect of these jabs, how can you call them death jabs or dangerous. How do you know these things for a 'fact' if nobody knows? |
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"Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world..
Consistency is not the strong point of theorists.
I'm now over 40 years into this thing called life and so far I've yet to see one conspiracy in that time be proven to be right.
Indeed investigative journalism by the sun has uncovered more truth than conspiracy theorists and that is a very low bar to beat.
When it comes to these death jabs, do you know what the difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is ? .......Answer : 6 months !
You won't need me to tell you that these jabs will carry complications, everyone will see for themselves. "
Death jabs? it has been six months already. They are not dying in the street yet. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world..
Consistency is not the strong point of theorists.
I'm now over 40 years into this thing called life and so far I've yet to see one conspiracy in that time be proven to be right.
Indeed investigative journalism by the sun has uncovered more truth than conspiracy theorists and that is a very low bar to beat.
When it comes to these death jabs, do you know what the difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is ? .......Answer : 6 months !
You won't need me to tell you that these jabs will carry complications, everyone will see for themselves.
Death jabs? it has been six months already. They are not dying in the street yet. "
Not to mention the vaccine trials that were going on many months before the vaccine was given to the public. There's alot of data regarding the safety of the vaccines.
To the people that are trying to use the yellow card data as conclusive evidence of anything, it isn't. Anyone can report anything, and they do, it states on the site that it isn't proof of anything, it's reports, that's it. |
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"Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world..
Consistency is not the strong point of theorists.
I'm now over 40 years into this thing called life and so far I've yet to see one conspiracy in that time be proven to be right.
Indeed investigative journalism by the sun has uncovered more truth than conspiracy theorists and that is a very low bar to beat.
When it comes to these death jabs, do you know what the difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is ? .......Answer : 6 months !
You won't need me to tell you that these jabs will carry complications, everyone will see for themselves.
If nobody knows the long term effect of these jabs, how can you call them death jabs or dangerous. How do you know these things for a 'fact' if nobody knows? "
We all have intuition. Some people are more intuitive than others. There will be complications associated with these jabs. I do hope I'll be proven wrong but something tells me I won't be.
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"Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world..
Consistency is not the strong point of theorists.
I'm now over 40 years into this thing called life and so far I've yet to see one conspiracy in that time be proven to be right.
Indeed investigative journalism by the sun has uncovered more truth than conspiracy theorists and that is a very low bar to beat.
When it comes to these death jabs, do you know what the difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is ? .......Answer : 6 months !
You won't need me to tell you that these jabs will carry complications, everyone will see for themselves.
If nobody knows the long term effect of these jabs, how can you call them death jabs or dangerous. How do you know these things for a 'fact' if nobody knows?
We all have intuition. Some people are more intuitive than others. There will be complications associated with these jabs. I do hope I'll be proven wrong but something tells me I won't be.
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Nearly two years since China unleaded this on the world, 4 million deaths, $30trn global economic cost.
China back to normal, their economy doing well while the rest of the world blaming each other. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world..
Consistency is not the strong point of theorists.
I'm now over 40 years into this thing called life and so far I've yet to see one conspiracy in that time be proven to be right.
Indeed investigative journalism by the sun has uncovered more truth than conspiracy theorists and that is a very low bar to beat.
When it comes to these death jabs, do you know what the difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is ? .......Answer : 6 months !
You won't need me to tell you that these jabs will carry complications, everyone will see for themselves.
If nobody knows the long term effect of these jabs, how can you call them death jabs or dangerous. How do you know these things for a 'fact' if nobody knows?
We all have intuition. Some people are more intuitive than others. There will be complications associated with these jabs. I do hope I'll be proven wrong but something tells me I won't be.
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No, you said they are facts, your intuition is not facts.
You've already lied and made up/twisted data, if you have to do that to prove your 'intuition' is right, there's something very wrong. |
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"Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world..
Consistency is not the strong point of theorists.
I'm now over 40 years into this thing called life and so far I've yet to see one conspiracy in that time be proven to be right.
Indeed investigative journalism by the sun has uncovered more truth than conspiracy theorists and that is a very low bar to beat.
When it comes to these death jabs, do you know what the difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is ? .......Answer : 6 months !
You won't need me to tell you that these jabs will carry complications, everyone will see for themselves.
If nobody knows the long term effect of these jabs, how can you call them death jabs or dangerous. How do you know these things for a 'fact' if nobody knows?
We all have intuition. Some people are more intuitive than others. There will be complications associated with these jabs. I do hope I'll be proven wrong but something tells me I won't be.
No, you said they are facts, your intuition is not facts.
You've already lied and made up/twisted data, if you have to do that to prove your 'intuition' is right, there's something very wrong."
If you're not prepared to listen to the truth then of course you will accept it as a lie. That's possibly a deficiency on your part. To be clear, I do know people who have died unexpectedly after having the jab(s). I'm on record as saying that before. There's no reason why I should lie about it. I've also had other people that have told me the same. Again, no reason why they would lie about someone dying as it's not the kind of event people lie my out. Take that how you will. So my take on what I see coming is a combination of what's I've experienced so far and my intuition going forward. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world..
Consistency is not the strong point of theorists.
I'm now over 40 years into this thing called life and so far I've yet to see one conspiracy in that time be proven to be right.
Indeed investigative journalism by the sun has uncovered more truth than conspiracy theorists and that is a very low bar to beat.
When it comes to these death jabs, do you know what the difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is ? .......Answer : 6 months !
You won't need me to tell you that these jabs will carry complications, everyone will see for themselves.
If nobody knows the long term effect of these jabs, how can you call them death jabs or dangerous. How do you know these things for a 'fact' if nobody knows?
We all have intuition. Some people are more intuitive than others. There will be complications associated with these jabs. I do hope I'll be proven wrong but something tells me I won't be.
No, you said they are facts, your intuition is not facts.
You've already lied and made up/twisted data, if you have to do that to prove your 'intuition' is right, there's something very wrong.
If you're not prepared to listen to the truth then of course you will accept it as a lie. That's possibly a deficiency on your part. To be clear, I do know people who have died unexpectedly after having the jab(s). I'm on record as saying that before. There's no reason why I should lie about it. I've also had other people that have told me the same. Again, no reason why they would lie about someone dying as it's not the kind of event people lie my out. Take that how you will. So my take on what I see coming is a combination of what's I've experienced so far and my intuition going forward. "
And your comment about the yellow card data being evidence that many people have died from the vaccines? |
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"Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world..
Consistency is not the strong point of theorists.
I'm now over 40 years into this thing called life and so far I've yet to see one conspiracy in that time be proven to be right.
Indeed investigative journalism by the sun has uncovered more truth than conspiracy theorists and that is a very low bar to beat.
When it comes to these death jabs, do you know what the difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is ? .......Answer : 6 months !
You won't need me to tell you that these jabs will carry complications, everyone will see for themselves.
If nobody knows the long term effect of these jabs, how can you call them death jabs or dangerous. How do you know these things for a 'fact' if nobody knows?
We all have intuition. Some people are more intuitive than others. There will be complications associated with these jabs. I do hope I'll be proven wrong but something tells me I won't be.
No, you said they are facts, your intuition is not facts.
You've already lied and made up/twisted data, if you have to do that to prove your 'intuition' is right, there's something very wrong.
If you're not prepared to listen to the truth then of course you will accept it as a lie. That's possibly a deficiency on your part. To be clear, I do know people who have died unexpectedly after having the jab(s). I'm on record as saying that before. There's no reason why I should lie about it. I've also had other people that have told me the same. Again, no reason why they would lie about someone dying as it's not the kind of event people lie my out. Take that how you will. So my take on what I see coming is a combination of what's I've experienced so far and my intuition going forward.
And your comment about the yellow card data being evidence that many people have died from the vaccines? "
Are we trashing the Yellow Card Scheme now ? Many believe that some of the data is made up on there and that's fair comment but we can say that about all data can't we !! . |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world..
Consistency is not the strong point of theorists.
I'm now over 40 years into this thing called life and so far I've yet to see one conspiracy in that time be proven to be right.
Indeed investigative journalism by the sun has uncovered more truth than conspiracy theorists and that is a very low bar to beat.
When it comes to these death jabs, do you know what the difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is ? .......Answer : 6 months !
You won't need me to tell you that these jabs will carry complications, everyone will see for themselves.
If nobody knows the long term effect of these jabs, how can you call them death jabs or dangerous. How do you know these things for a 'fact' if nobody knows?
We all have intuition. Some people are more intuitive than others. There will be complications associated with these jabs. I do hope I'll be proven wrong but something tells me I won't be.
No, you said they are facts, your intuition is not facts.
You've already lied and made up/twisted data, if you have to do that to prove your 'intuition' is right, there's something very wrong.
If you're not prepared to listen to the truth then of course you will accept it as a lie. That's possibly a deficiency on your part. To be clear, I do know people who have died unexpectedly after having the jab(s). I'm on record as saying that before. There's no reason why I should lie about it. I've also had other people that have told me the same. Again, no reason why they would lie about someone dying as it's not the kind of event people lie my out. Take that how you will. So my take on what I see coming is a combination of what's I've experienced so far and my intuition going forward.
And your comment about the yellow card data being evidence that many people have died from the vaccines?
Are we trashing the Yellow Card Scheme now ? Many believe that some of the data is made up on there and that's fair comment but we can say that about all data can't we !! ."
No, I'm trashing your twisting of the yellow card data.
It very clearly states that it is not conclusive evidence of anything, that anyone can report anything and it is only reports, those reports are NOT verified to have been caused by the vaccine.
The fact that you have to lie to prove your point speaks volumes. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"This is where it will get tricky on reporting double vaxxed deaths with Covid-19, we will still have up to 10,000 deaths a week from various causes and some will include with Covid-19, for whatever reason people will still die we just need to come to some sort of acceptance of it"
Exactly the way they count and include Covid 19, those 18 people could have died of anything. They could have gone under a bus just happened to have had a positive test |
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"This is where it will get tricky on reporting double vaxxed deaths with Covid-19, we will still have up to 10,000 deaths a week from various causes and some will include with Covid-19, for whatever reason people will still die we just need to come to some sort of acceptance of it
Exactly the way they count and include Covid 19, those 18 people could have died of anything. They could have gone under a bus just happened to have had a positive test "
This bus driver is a very busy lad (or lass). I suppose he's getting away with running over all these people by telling the police "no, wasn't me, i reckon they must have got covid, don't know how to explain the tire tracks on the body". |
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"Some people had friends who knew at the start that the virus was fake..
Then they had friends that knew the numbers were fake..
Then they had friends that knew the vaccines would not work..
Now they have friends that know friends that are dying in droves from a vaccine that wouldn't work against a none existent virus..
Funny old world..
Consistency is not the strong point of theorists.
I'm now over 40 years into this thing called life and so far I've yet to see one conspiracy in that time be proven to be right.
Indeed investigative journalism by the sun has uncovered more truth than conspiracy theorists and that is a very low bar to beat.
When it comes to these death jabs, do you know what the difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is ? .......Answer : 6 months !
You won't need me to tell you that these jabs will carry complications, everyone will see for themselves.
If nobody knows the long term effect of these jabs, how can you call them death jabs or dangerous. How do you know these things for a 'fact' if nobody knows?
We all have intuition. Some people are more intuitive than others. There will be complications associated with these jabs. I do hope I'll be proven wrong but something tells me I won't be.
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So you actually have nothing at all then? Just that there are some people that happen to have died fairly soon after getting a jab, that there are loads of dodgy reports on the yellow card system, and that you have got "intuition". In reverse order:
1. Intuition is not fact. It's the total opposite of fact. It's just thinking that something might be so without any provable evidence. In terms of scientific basis you might as well say that the fairies told you.
2. The dodgy reports on the yellow card system can have been put there by absolutely anybody, including covid deniers, conspiracy theorists, and vendors of magic beans (ie. alternative wonder drugs). The information on the yellow card system is totally meaningless until it has been verified by qualified scientists. The only purpose of the system is to give the scientists some hints of what types of problem might be worth investigating. In actual fact the reports of blood clot problems were taken seriously, have been investigated, and a biological mechanism has been identified which can cause blood clots from the AZ vaccine in extremely rare cases. The determined incidence of this mechanism is very similar to the rate of blood clots that can occur naturally in the population, is lower than the rate that occurs in people taking flights longer than a couple of hours, and very much lower than the rate that occurs in women taking the pill.
3. I'm sure that there are some people that happen to have died fairly soon after getting a jab. There are some people dying all the time. When vaccinating millions of people across the world, it is actually a certainty that some of them will die soon afterwards. It is also a certainty that some people will die very soon after eating a cheese sandwich with pickle, or having a poo and wiping their bum on pink bogroll, or watching the football on the telly. Correlation is not causation. We do not ban cheese sandwiches, pink bogroll or televising football because some people die.
Your entire position on vaccination is that you have a magical feeling that because there have been a tiny proportion of vaccinated people who died within a few days, then sooner or later everyone on the planet is going to snuff it...
If you have scientifically validated facts, show the evidence. If all you have is a magical feeling, please stop trying to represent this as being of any value in determining the best medical treatment for people. |
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