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"It seems scotland now has 5 out of the top 10 highest infection areas in europe, whats gone wrong up there? whats nicola doing about it? " I caught a bit of the story on the BBC website today too. Was a bit of a shock as thought they were doing well. I did not catch any reasons given though | |||
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"It seems scotland now has 5 out of the top 10 highest infection areas in europe, whats gone wrong up there? whats nicola doing about it? " Not much, it seems. Perhaps she has a cunning plan! | |||
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"It seems scotland now has 5 out of the top 10 highest infection areas in europe, whats gone wrong up there? whats nicola doing about it? " Wee nippy will most likely blame the Tooarries like she always does. If that fails, she will blame boris johnson, then westminster, then the union. That is her go to answers for anything negative | |||
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"If anyone is wondering why our calamitous handling of the pandemic resulting in 1 of the worst death rates in Europe,is absolutely nothing to do with the gmnt,but the fatalities in Scotland are completely the result of the actions of nicola sturgeon,wrote to the usual address and the winner will get an special blame everyone but the gmnt prize "Is anyone wondering why some people like blue cars and others don't? Well, not in this thread because it wasn't about blue cars. | |||
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"If anyone is wondering why our calamitous handling of the pandemic resulting in 1 of the worst death rates in Europe,is absolutely nothing to do with the gmnt,but the fatalities in Scotland are completely the result of the actions of nicola sturgeon,wrote to the usual address and the winner will get an special blame everyone but the gmnt prize
Is anyone wondering why some people like blue cars and others don't? Well, not in this thread because it wasn't about blue cars."Infection rates are rising in Spain. I blame Boris.  | |||
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"If anyone is wondering why our calamitous handling of the pandemic resulting in 1 of the worst death rates in Europe,is absolutely nothing to do with the gmnt,but the fatalities in Scotland are completely the result of the actions of nicola sturgeon,wrote to the usual address and the winner will get an special blame everyone but the gmnt prize
Is anyone wondering why some people like blue cars and others don't? Well, not in this thread because it wasn't about blue cars.
Infection rates are rising in Spain.
I blame Boris. "Lol. Germany has just lifted travel restrictions from the UK to Germany. I blame Boris. | |||
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"If anyone is wondering why our calamitous handling of the pandemic resulting in 1 of the worst death rates in Europe,is absolutely nothing to do with the gmnt,but the fatalities in Scotland are completely the result of the actions of nicola sturgeon,wrote to the usual address and the winner will get an special blame everyone but the gmnt prize "Isn't it only you that is always quoting uk death figures as the worse in Europe and blaming Boris? | |||
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"If anyone is wondering why our calamitous handling of the pandemic resulting in 1 of the worst death rates in Europe,is absolutely nothing to do with the gmnt,but the fatalities in Scotland are completely the result of the actions of nicola sturgeon,wrote to the usual address and the winner will get an special blame everyone but the gmnt prize "Just to clarify, The UK has currently the 15th worse death rate in Europe. So it looks like there are 14 other governments handling this pandemic more calamitous than ours Lionel.! | |||
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"Everything is quite clearly Boris' fault. Not even sure that's up for debate "Oh come on .even you can spot the epic lack of self awareness It's out of this world
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"If anyone is wondering why our calamitous handling of the pandemic resulting in 1 of the worst death rates in Europe,is absolutely nothing to do with the gmnt,but the fatalities in Scotland are completely the result of the actions of nicola sturgeon,wrote to the usual address and the winner will get an special blame everyone but the gmnt prize
Just to clarify,
The UK has currently the 15th worse death rate in Europe.
So it looks like there are 14 other governments handling this pandemic more calamitous than ours Lionel.!"Brilliant | |||
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"If anyone is wondering why our calamitous handling of the pandemic resulting in 1 of the worst death rates in Europe,is absolutely nothing to do with the gmnt,but the fatalities in Scotland are completely the result of the actions of nicola sturgeon,wrote to the usual address and the winner will get an special blame everyone but the gmnt prize "One of the worst death rates in Europe? I don't think that 15th place qualifies as one of the worst. | |||
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"If anyone is wondering why our calamitous handling of the pandemic resulting in 1 of the worst death rates in Europe,is absolutely nothing to do with the gmnt,but the fatalities in Scotland are completely the result of the actions of nicola sturgeon,wrote to the usual address and the winner will get an special blame everyone but the gmnt prize
One of the worst death rates in Europe?
I don't think that 15th place qualifies as one of the worst."is it even that who knows when every country counts their deaths differently anyway? but some love to ignore the facts because the numbers suit their narrative. | |||
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"If anyone is wondering why our calamitous handling of the pandemic resulting in 1 of the worst death rates in Europe,is absolutely nothing to do with the gmnt,but the fatalities in Scotland are completely the result of the actions of nicola sturgeon,wrote to the usual address and the winner will get an special blame everyone but the gmnt prize "But it's not one of the worst is it? | |||
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"Isnt it odd..when we were statistically one of the worst in europe we counted or figures uniquely/had a unique demographic/wasnt fair to compare ourselves with other counties Delete as appropriate Now we have slipped down the table the stats are gospel again Weird " All of those things still apply - it's only you saying they don't to try and prove your point, which you don't. But hey ho. The post is about the figures in Scotland. | |||
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"Everything is quite clearly Boris' fault. Not even sure that's up for debate
Oh come on
.even you can spot the epic lack of self awareness
It's out of this world
"I've finally seen the light and agre with you. You're debating skills are just too good and you've won me round. BLAME BORIS | |||
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"Isnt it odd..when we were statistically one of the worst in europe we counted or figures uniquely/had a unique demographic/wasnt fair to compare ourselves with other counties Delete as appropriate Now we have slipped down the table the stats are gospel again Weird " Actually you are the only one claiming that Lionel. | |||
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"Can’t we discuss at least one subject without being sidetracked. " Wouldn't that just be a Magical thing not to have to be high-jacked in every single post about 'Boris did this'.? | |||
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"Can’t we discuss at least one subject without being sidetracked. " Good point but Scotland's figures are part of the UK totals  | |||
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"Epic "But 100% true. It may suit your Boris bashing narrative to compare a 66 million population to one of say 10 million. But to do so is at best disingenuous but really down right misleading. Then again I don't expect anything less from the Corbynista left. | |||
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"Epic
But 100% true.
It may suit your Boris bashing narrative to compare a 66 million population to one of say 10 million. But to do so is at best disingenuous but really down right misleading.
Then again I don't expect anything less from the Corbynista left."
Corbynista
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"Isnt it odd..when we were statistically one of the worst in europe we counted or figures uniquely/had a unique demographic/wasnt fair to compare ourselves with other counties Delete as appropriate Now we have slipped down the table the stats are gospel again Weird " You seem to be the only one who keeps harping on about death rates, im sure most people would agree that any death is not good and i do find it insensitive that you see the loss of peoples loved ones as a stick to use for political motives. | |||
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"Isnt it odd..when we were statistically one of the worst in europe we counted or figures uniquely/had a unique demographic/wasnt fair to compare ourselves with other counties Delete as appropriate Now we have slipped down the table the stats are gospel again Weird " Well you took them as gospel when it was the other way around. EPIC! | |||
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"Everything is quite clearly Boris' fault. Not even sure that's up for debate
Oh come on
.even you can spot the epic lack of self awareness
It's out of this world
I've finally seen the light and agre with you. You're debating skills are just too good and you've won me round.
BLAME BORIS "And I was just about coming round to you. Shame  | |||
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"Epic
But 100% true.
It may suit your Boris bashing narrative to compare a 66 million population to one of say 10 million. But to do so is at best disingenuous but really down right misleading.
Then again I don't expect anything less from the Corbynista left.
Corbynista
Love it"Must admit I quite like it myself | |||
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"Everything is quite clearly Boris' fault. Not even sure that's up for debate
Oh come on
.even you can spot the epic lack of self awareness
It's out of this world
I've finally seen the light and agre with you. You're debating skills are just too good and you've won me round.
BLAME BORIS
And I was just about coming round to you.
Shame
"I'm confused. I just said I agree with you, it's all Boris' fault. Or maybe you wanna argue that it isn't? | |||
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"A person starts a thread specifically about the death rates in Scotland and blaming nicola ,accuses someone else of using the death rates to score political points. I feel like Alice in wonderland "The OP didn't blame Sturgeon at all. It asked what she is doing about it  | |||
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"A person starts a thread specifically about the death rates in Scotland and blaming nicola ,accuses someone else of using the death rates to score political points. I feel like Alice in wonderland "The OP wasn’t about death rates at all, it was about infection rates. I do wish you could learn to read. | |||
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"A person starts a thread specifically about the death rates in Scotland and blaming nicola ,accuses someone else of using the death rates to score political points. I feel like Alice in wonderland
The OP didn't blame Sturgeon at all. It asked what she is doing about it "It's called selective reading. Sdaly.  | |||
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"A person starts a thread specifically about the death rates in Scotland and blaming nicola ,accuses someone else of using the death rates to score political points. I feel like Alice in wonderland "Infection rates? | |||
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"Oh dear The natives are restless. Personal insults are already getting thrown about so I'll leave you to your nicola bashing. It's been a while tbf Enjoy "From the man who constantly throws around such insults as ‘ Tory knitting circles ‘ etc. Don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out. EPIC! | |||
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"A person starts a thread specifically about the death rates in Scotland and blaming nicola ,accuses someone else of using the death rates to score political points. I feel like Alice in wonderland "Try reading again nothing to do with deaths its the rise in infection rates it is so hard to have a discussion with someone who doesnt even know what they are discussing.  | |||
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"Oh dear The natives are restless. Personal insults are already getting thrown about so I'll leave you to your nicola bashing. It's been a while tbf Enjoy
From the man who constantly throws around such insults as ‘ Tory knitting circles ‘ etc.
Don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
EPIC!" | |||
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"Oh dear The natives are restless. Personal insults are already getting thrown about so I'll leave you to your nicola bashing. It's been a while tbf Enjoy
From the man who constantly throws around such insults as ‘ Tory knitting circles ‘ etc.
Don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
EPIC!
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""Oh dear The natives are restless." " Another Colonial demeaning insult thrown about by the upper-classes on the natives of occupied lands in days gone by. | |||
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"A person starts a thread specifically about the death rates in Scotland and blaming nicola ,accuses someone else of using the death rates to score political points. I feel like Alice in wonderland "But you DID try to use the death rates to score political points. Off with your head! | |||
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"So just to clarify.. its wrong to make the issue of covid deaths political but it's fine and dandy to make infections so?" "If anyone is wondering why our calamitous handling of the pandemic resulting in 1 of the worst death rates in Europe,is absolutely nothing to do with the gmnt,but the fatalities in Scotland are completely the result of the actions of nicola sturgeon,wrote to the usual address and the winner will get an special blame everyone but the gmnt prize" So you didn't post the above then? | |||
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"Nope. It's wrong to continue to derail threads and makes insults just so that you can say Boris is shit." List the insults I have made on this thread please. Thank you | |||
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"Nope. It's wrong to continue to derail threads and makes insults just so that you can say Boris is shit. List the insults I have made on this thread please. Thank you "'Oh dear The Natives are restless' is one . . . your continued Condescension of others wanting to talk about the original OP is another . . . | |||
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"Nope. It's wrong to continue to derail threads and makes insults just so that you can say Boris is shit. List the insults I have made on this thread please. Thank you
'Oh dear The Natives are restless' is one . . . your continued Condescension of others wanting to talk about the original OP is another . . .
"The natives are restless os the best 'insult 'you can come up with? Never mind. I'm sure the fact that 2 people suggested I couldnt read passed you by. | |||
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"Nope. It's wrong to continue to derail threads and makes insults just so that you can say Boris is shit. List the insults I have made on this thread please. Thank you
'Oh dear The Natives are restless' is one . . . your continued Condescension of others wanting to talk about the original OP is another . . .
The natives are restless os the best 'insult 'you can come up with?
Never mind.
I'm sure the fact that 2 people suggested I couldnt read passed you by."When you continually answer with something that has no relevance to the OP, is it any wonder something will reply questioning your reading skills? | |||
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"Nope. It's wrong to continue to derail threads and makes insults just so that you can say Boris is shit. List the insults I have made on this thread please. Thank you
'Oh dear The Natives are restless' is one . . . your continued Condescension of others wanting to talk about the original OP is another . . .
The natives are restless os the best 'insult 'you can come up with?
Never mind.
I'm sure the fact that 2 people suggested I couldnt read passed you by.
When you continually answer with something that has no relevance to the OP, is it any wonder something will reply questioning your reading skills?"So again to clarify. Someone catching covid is a completely different kettle of fish to someone dying from it? | |||
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"Can the people who obviously rub each other up the wrong way ignore each other please Can we also keep to the question so back to it please" | |||
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"Scotland is believed to have the highest Covid rate in the UK, with estimated levels in Scotland population 73% higher than in England, triple those in Wales and more than four times higher than those in Northern Ireland. " TY. Has the first Minister or Medical Head made comment on this? | |||
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"England's hotspot is the Northeast, so it's possible that 1 has helped to drive the other, or the causes of it have. Younger people, last to be offered vaccines, seem to be the most prevalent of the infected in the Northeast, potentially aided by the last English relaxation, with pubs etc more eagerly used by younger people, to break social isolation etc. " According to The Scotsman the rise in infections in Scotland is in part due to Glasgow .
The idea of the English sending the virus over the border to the Scots and visa versa might have legs... makes me think of the history around the Border reivers?
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"Can the people who obviously rub each other up the wrong way ignore each other please Can we also keep to the question so back to it please "I do like it when you thumbs up your own post - validation from a higher power  | |||
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"Scotland is believed to have the highest Covid rate in the UK, with estimated levels in Scotland population 73% higher than in England, triple those in Wales and more than four times higher than those in Northern Ireland. TY. Has the first Minister or Medical Head made comment on this? " Want a laugh? Our medical director here is.... Wait for it..... A dentist
Jason leitch is a dentist and hes our medical director. Can't make it up.
And no, nippy sweetie won't speak on it unless she can find a way to aportion blame to WM | |||
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"Its interesting how people view things differently. For 5th July, England had 23053 case and Scotland had 2372. The population of England is 10 times that of Scotland, so the rate of cases per million people are almost identical. And for the 5th July, the UK had the 3rd highest number of cases in the world. Its nice to be able to denigrate and cast aspersions on someone else (Scotland, the EU, India ...) but in reality, England's case numbers are among the worst in the world." You understand there are more people in london than in scotland. Covid spreads quicker when people are closer together. You cant just times by 10 and there you go.. | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. " She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there | |||
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"Its interesting how people view things differently. For 5th July, England had 23053 case and Scotland had 2372. The population of England is 10 times that of Scotland, so the rate of cases per million people are almost identical. And for the 5th July, the UK had the 3rd highest number of cases in the world. Its nice to be able to denigrate and cast aspersions on someone else (Scotland, the EU, India ...) but in reality, England's case numbers are among the worst in the world. You understand there are more people in london than in scotland. Covid spreads quicker when people are closer together. You cant just times by 10 and there you go.." Glasgow is a big city | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there" So did Boris | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there" You can disagree with me if you like, my point still stands, it spreads in the community, one person isn't solely responsible for all cases. | |||
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"Its interesting how people view things differently. For 5th July, England had 23053 case and Scotland had 2372. The population of England is 10 times that of Scotland, so the rate of cases per million people are almost identical. And for the 5th July, the UK had the 3rd highest number of cases in the world. Its nice to be able to denigrate and cast aspersions on someone else (Scotland, the EU, India ...) but in reality, England's case numbers are among the worst in the world." Nothing to do with how people view things. According to World Heath Organisation six Scottish health boards are among the top 10 worst hit regions in Europe. | |||
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"Its interesting how people view things differently. For 5th July, England had 23053 case and Scotland had 2372. The population of England is 10 times that of Scotland, so the rate of cases per million people are almost identical. And for the 5th July, the UK had the 3rd highest number of cases in the world. Its nice to be able to denigrate and cast aspersions on someone else (Scotland, the EU, India ...) but in reality, England's case numbers are among the worst in the world." It's very interesting...and not really hard to work out tbh. | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris " Awaits response ... | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris Awaits response ..." Whataboutism is not a proper retort, therefore one is not required to provide a rebuttal. | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris Awaits response ... Whataboutism is not a proper retort, therefore one is not required to provide a rebuttal." Perfect answer | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris " They were both very shortsighted in this decision. However individual care homes bear responsibility for their residents. They could refuse to take those people. The care home I work in did and hasn’t had a single case. | |||
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"“This is the essence of Nicola Sturgeon’s credibility gap: when rhetoric is required, she delivers; when delivery is required, she has only rhetoric.” " | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris Awaits response ... Whataboutism is not a proper retort, therefore one is not required to provide a rebuttal." True, especially when your incapable of providing one | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris Awaits response ... Whataboutism is not a proper retort, therefore one is not required to provide a rebuttal. True, especially when your incapable of providing one "Come now it's quite straight forward. When one gknt implements a policy, it is slated. When another implements the same policy it is applauded. Simples | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris They were both very shortsighted in this decision. However individual care homes bear responsibility for their residents. They could refuse to take those people. The care home I work in did and hasn’t had a single case." Fair enough, where would they have gone if all the care homes had refused? It was a bit of a mess | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris Awaits response ... Whataboutism is not a proper retort, therefore one is not required to provide a rebuttal. True, especially when your incapable of providing one
Come now it's quite straight forward.
When one gknt implements a policy, it is slated.
When another implements the same policy it is applauded.
Simples
"Of course, but but but, this is because London is bigger than Scotland , | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris Awaits response ... Whataboutism is not a proper retort, therefore one is not required to provide a rebuttal. True, especially when your incapable of providing one "In fairness to him, it didn't require a response. What you said is true. He doesn't need to agree or disagree if he chooses not to. | |||
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"“This is the essence of Nicola Sturgeon’s credibility gap: when rhetoric is required, she delivers; when delivery is required, she has only rhetoric.” "Sorry Who were we talking about again? | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris Awaits response ... Whataboutism is not a proper retort, therefore one is not required to provide a rebuttal. True, especially when your incapable of providing one
Come now it's quite straight forward.
When one gknt implements a policy, it is slated.
When another implements the same policy it is applauded.
Simples
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris They were both very shortsighted in this decision. However individual care homes bear responsibility for their residents. They could refuse to take those people. The care home I work in did and hasn’t had a single case." Wasmt there some pressure put on care homes to take them? | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris Awaits response ... Whataboutism is not a proper retort, therefore one is not required to provide a rebuttal. True, especially when your incapable of providing one
Come now it's quite straight forward.
When one gknt implements a policy, it is slated.
When another implements the same policy it is applauded.
Simples
I haven't heard you at any point slate Sturgeon for that particular decision "Is that like double whatabouttery? | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris Awaits response ... Whataboutism is not a proper retort, therefore one is not required to provide a rebuttal. True, especially when your incapable of providing one
Come now it's quite straight forward.
When one gknt implements a policy, it is slated.
When another implements the same policy it is applauded.
Simples
I haven't heard you at any point slate Sturgeon for that particular decision
Is that like double whatabouttery?"Double whataboutery? Youre complaining that people will slate one government but no another who does the same thing, all whilst doing exactly the same thing
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris Awaits response ... Whataboutism is not a proper retort, therefore one is not required to provide a rebuttal. True, especially when your incapable of providing one
Come now it's quite straight forward.
When one gknt implements a policy, it is slated.
When another implements the same policy it is applauded.
Simples
I haven't heard you at any point slate Sturgeon for that particular decision
Is that like double whatabouttery?
Double whataboutery?
Youre complaining that people will slate one government but no another who does the same thing, all whilst doing exactly the same thing
And don't try complain about any whataboutery when you were just part of it yourself "https://www.itv.com/news/border/2021-05-04/nicola-sturgeon-i-will-carry-weight-of-covid-care-home-decisions-for-the-rest-of-my-life Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt Hancock deny the care home allegations? | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris They were both very shortsighted in this decision. However individual care homes bear responsibility for their residents. They could refuse to take those people. The care home I work in did and hasn’t had a single case." The doctors discharging them were also hiding their positive covid status. Alot of it was left down to the doctors discretion. Yes, the government have made catastrophic mistakes, misjudgements and underhand deals, but to blame every tiny detail on them is taking away any personal responsibility from anyone else. The public are spreading the disease and we need to take some responsibility for that. | |||
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"I'm no fan of Nicola sturgeon but she isn't going round infecting everyone single handedly, the population has to take some responsibility for the spread. Same as every country. She moved covid positive hospital patients back into care homes. One may have to disagree with you there So did Boris Awaits response ... Whataboutism is not a proper retort, therefore one is not required to provide a rebuttal. True, especially when your incapable of providing one
Come now it's quite straight forward.
When one gknt implements a policy, it is slated.
When another implements the same policy it is applauded.
Simples
I haven't heard you at any point slate Sturgeon for that particular decision
Is that like double whatabouttery?
Double whataboutery?
Youre complaining that people will slate one government but no another who does the same thing, all whilst doing exactly the same thing
And don't try complain about any whataboutery when you were just part of it yourself
https://www.itv.com/news/border/2021-05-04/nicola-sturgeon-i-will-carry-weight-of-covid-care-home-decisions-for-the-rest-of-my-life
Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt Hancock deny the care home allegations?"Whataboutery again
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""It seems scotland now has 5 out of the top 10 highest infection areas in europe, whats gone wrong up there? " whats nicola doing about it? " I thought the OP was 'What's Nicola doing about it'. Not 'What's Boris got to do with it by comparison'. After all, Scotland has devolved powers with regard to health. (typo) | |||
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"I wonder how the Scottish people feel as that article suggests they feel it's been handled well,as opposed to here." I am scottish and despise sturgeon. She is doing a piss poor job all round. Her supporters say shes doing a good job | |||
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"I wonder how the Scottish people feel as that article suggests they feel it's been handled well,as opposed to here. I am scottish and despise sturgeon. She is doing a piss poor job all round. Her supporters say shes doing a good job" Is yes to independence still leading in the polls? | |||
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"I wonder how the Scottish people feel as that article suggests they feel it's been handled well,as opposed to here. I am scottish and despise sturgeon. She is doing a piss poor job all round. Her supporters say shes doing a good job Is yes to independence still leading in the polls?" Nope. Not that it matters as the issue is settled. They are just sore losers and wont accept it | |||
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"I wonder how the Scottish people feel as that article suggests they feel it's been handled well,as opposed to here. I am scottish and despise sturgeon. She is doing a piss poor job all round. Her supporters say shes doing a good job Is yes to independence still leading in the polls? Nope. Not that it matters as the issue is settled. They are just sore losers and wont accept it" Hasn't she just been reelected? | |||
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"Scotland is failing under nationalist rule... " Scotland isn't under nationalist rule, it's under Westminster rule. | |||
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"Its interesting how people view things differently. For 5th July, England had 23053 case and Scotland had 2372. The population of England is 10 times that of Scotland, so the rate of cases per million people are almost identical. And for the 5th July, the UK had the 3rd highest number of cases in the world. Its nice to be able to denigrate and cast aspersions on someone else (Scotland, the EU, India ...) but in reality, England's case numbers are among the worst in the world. You understand there are more people in london than in scotland. Covid spreads quicker when people are closer together. You cant just times by 10 and there you go.." Your comparison can be done on Glasgow/London as London is 10 times the size of Glasgow just like England is 10 times the size of Scotland. | |||
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"Scotland is failing under nationalist rule... Scotland isn't under nationalist rule, it's under Westminster rule. " Hate to break it to you but on matters of the economy, education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport and taxation, it's that funny looking building in EH8 that runs the show for you. Any of these affect your daily life up in glorious granite city? | |||
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"I wonder how the Scottish people feel as that article suggests they feel it's been handled well,as opposed to here. I am scottish and despise sturgeon. She is doing a piss poor job all round. Her supporters say shes doing a good job Is yes to independence still leading in the polls? Nope. Not that it matters as the issue is settled. They are just sore losers and wont accept it" If you are as educated as you think, surely you can see that in Scotland the politics are jammed. There will only ever be nationalist government until the independence question is asked again. Whether you agree or not doesn't matter but while 45ish% vote for one party it will always form the government. Have the ref. And scottish politics can move on. | |||
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"Scotland is failing under nationalist rule... Scotland isn't under nationalist rule, it's under Westminster rule. Hate to break it to you but on matters of the economy, education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport and taxation, it's that funny looking building in EH8 that runs the show for you. Any of these affect your daily life up in glorious granite city?" Hate to break it to you, we do not control all in Scotland and Westminster, can over rule us at it's wish. Kinda boxing with one hand tied. | |||
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"And I’ll say again Uk testing 15.5 per 1000 France testing 3.5 per 1000 Italy testing 3.0 per 1000 Spain testing 1.8 per 1000 Germany testing 1.3 per 1000" Can you clarify what those numbers are? Thanks | |||
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"I wonder how the Scottish people feel as that article suggests they feel it's been handled well,as opposed to here. I am scottish and despise sturgeon. She is doing a piss poor job all round. Her supporters say shes doing a good job Is yes to independence still leading in the polls? Nope. Not that it matters as the issue is settled. They are just sore losers and wont accept it If you are as educated as you think, surely you can see that in Scotland the politics are jammed. There will only ever be nationalist government until the independence question is asked again. Whether you agree or not doesn't matter but while 45ish% vote for one party it will always form the government. Have the ref. And scottish politics can move on. " Unsure where you have been. We did have one and there was a million votes difference. 20% of the country gap. Also in the may elections, unionist parties received more total votes than the seperatist ones. Its jist that most of the seperatist votes are for 1 party and unionist votes are split 3 ways | |||
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"If anyone is wondering why our calamitous handling of the pandemic resulting in 1 of the worst death rates in Europe,is absolutely nothing to do with the gmnt,but the fatalities in Scotland are completely the result of the actions of nicola sturgeon,wrote to the usual address and the winner will get an special blame everyone but the gmnt prize
But it's not one of the worst is it?"Come on now! For Christ's sake!! don't let the facts get in the way of a good sound bite.
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"I wonder how the Scottish people feel as that article suggests they feel it's been handled well,as opposed to here. I am scottish and despise sturgeon. She is doing a piss poor job all round. Her supporters say shes doing a good job" I'm wondering what you personally do or have done to try to help prevent community spread, you're very critical of one individual and some may think almost childishly so in your language here and previously but what are you doing, I don't know your political persuasion but whoever got your vote, I'm betting, would be facing the same situation today. People going out, meeting off here and other places is the cause of transmission not one individual... No matter how much you may despise her. I'm not struck on the Westminster team but I'm aware enough to realise its not on the shoulders of one person. So what are you personally doing? I'm genuinely interested in a reasoned response. | |||
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"And I’ll say again Uk testing 15.5 per 1000 France testing 3.5 per 1000 Italy testing 3.0 per 1000 Spain testing 1.8 per 1000 Germany testing 1.3 per 1000 Can you clarify what those numbers are? Thanks" Total Tests: 219,015,797 UK 94,716,363 France 72,607,758 Italy 53,392,296 Spain 63,813,168 Germany | |||
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"And I’ll say again Uk testing 15.5 per 1000 France testing 3.5 per 1000 Italy testing 3.0 per 1000 Spain testing 1.8 per 1000 Germany testing 1.3 per 1000" It is clear the rising rate is in part due to morec testing. Many have no symptoms at all. | |||
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"And I’ll say again Uk testing 15.5 per 1000 France testing 3.5 per 1000 Italy testing 3.0 per 1000 Spain testing 1.8 per 1000 Germany testing 1.3 per 1000 Can you clarify what those numbers are? Thanks Total Tests: 219,015,797 UK 94,716,363 France 72,607,758 Italy 53,392,296 Spain 63,813,168 Germany" Exactly the more you test the more you will find so is the answer scotland are testing more people i wonder. | |||
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"And I’ll say again Uk testing 15.5 per 1000 France testing 3.5 per 1000 Italy testing 3.0 per 1000 Spain testing 1.8 per 1000 Germany testing 1.3 per 1000 Can you clarify what those numbers are? Thanks Total Tests: 219,015,797 UK 94,716,363 France 72,607,758 Italy 53,392,296 Spain 63,813,168 GermanyExactly the more you test the more you will find so is the answer scotland are testing more people i wonder." 'Since the start of the outbreak, as at 6 July: a total of 2,303,596 people in Scotland have been tested at least once. Of these people: ' | |||
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"And I’ll say again Uk testing 15.5 per 1000 France testing 3.5 per 1000 Italy testing 3.0 per 1000 Spain testing 1.8 per 1000 Germany testing 1.3 per 1000 Can you clarify what those numbers are? Thanks Total Tests: 219,015,797 UK 94,716,363 France 72,607,758 Italy 53,392,296 Spain 63,813,168 GermanyExactly the more you test the more you will find so is the answer scotland are testing more people i wonder." I’m not sure what the testing criteria in Europe is. Are they only testing the symptomatic, either way they are testing vastly less than the U.K. which kind of goes against the W.H.O mantra of test test test. | |||
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"I wonder how the Scottish people feel as that article suggests they feel it's been handled well,as opposed to here. I am scottish and despise sturgeon. She is doing a piss poor job all round. Her supporters say shes doing a good job I'm wondering what you personally do or have done to try to help prevent community spread, you're very critical of one individual and some may think almost childishly so in your language here and previously but what are you doing, I don't know your political persuasion but whoever got your vote, I'm betting, would be facing the same situation today. People going out, meeting off here and other places is the cause of transmission not one individual... No matter how much you may despise her. I'm not struck on the Westminster team but I'm aware enough to realise its not on the shoulders of one person. So what are you personally doing? I'm genuinely interested in a reasoned response. " The real, reasonable response to what you just wrote would be to point out that she is the one leading Scotlands pandemic response. She is responsible for it and all the responsibility rests on her shoulders, although she tries to shirk it off to England when the going gets tough. Not sure if you are aware, but I am an individual person, just like you. My job and responsibility are to to protect my family from this virus. It is Sturgeons responisbility to manage the virus in the community. To counter my assertion that Sturgeon has done a terrible job at almost everything she touches with "but what have you done for the community, i want a reasonable response" really needs no response. It is not even a valid question. As for your assertion thats its not on the shoulders of one person, I hate to break it to you, but being a leader means it's all on you, the good and the bad. Nothing that you said really even makes sense, I only replied because you threw an insult in behind the sarky "i want a reasonable answer" comment  | |||
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"I wonder how the Scottish people feel as that article suggests they feel it's been handled well,as opposed to here. I am scottish and despise sturgeon. She is doing a piss poor job all round. Her supporters say shes doing a good job I'm wondering what you personally do or have done to try to help prevent community spread, you're very critical of one individual and some may think almost childishly so in your language here and previously but what are you doing, I don't know your political persuasion but whoever got your vote, I'm betting, would be facing the same situation today. People going out, meeting off here and other places is the cause of transmission not one individual... No matter how much you may despise her. I'm not struck on the Westminster team but I'm aware enough to realise its not on the shoulders of one person. So what are you personally doing? I'm genuinely interested in a reasoned response. The real, reasonable response to what you just wrote would be to point out that she is the one leading Scotlands pandemic response. She is responsible for it and all the responsibility rests on her shoulders, although she tries to shirk it off to England when the going gets tough. Not sure if you are aware, but I am an individual person, just like you. My job and responsibility are to to protect my family from this virus. It is Sturgeons responisbility to manage the virus in the community. To counter my assertion that Sturgeon has done a terrible job at almost everything she touches with "but what have you done for the community, i want a reasonable response" really needs no response. It is not even a valid question. As for your assertion thats its not on the shoulders of one person, I hate to break it to you, but being a leader means it's all on you, the good and the bad. Nothing that you said really even makes sense, I only replied because you threw an insult in behind the sarky "i want a reasonable answer" comment "Mistakes have been made by both governments. I believe sturgeon had held her hands up and admitted the mistakes. Doesn't make it ok but we are all human. Did England not send patients to hospital to care homes in the beginning too? I hope to see a post slating the UK government leader from you too. | |||
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"I wonder how the Scottish people feel as that article suggests they feel it's been handled well,as opposed to here. I am scottish and despise sturgeon. She is doing a piss poor job all round. Her supporters say shes doing a good job I'm wondering what you personally do or have done to try to help prevent community spread, you're very critical of one individual and some may think almost childishly so in your language here and previously but what are you doing, I don't know your political persuasion but whoever got your vote, I'm betting, would be facing the same situation today. People going out, meeting off here and other places is the cause of transmission not one individual... No matter how much you may despise her. I'm not struck on the Westminster team but I'm aware enough to realise its not on the shoulders of one person. So what are you personally doing? I'm genuinely interested in a reasoned response. The real, reasonable response to what you just wrote would be to point out that she is the one leading Scotlands pandemic response. She is responsible for it and all the responsibility rests on her shoulders, although she tries to shirk it off to England when the going gets tough. Not sure if you are aware, but I am an individual person, just like you. My job and responsibility are to to protect my family from this virus. It is Sturgeons responisbility to manage the virus in the community. To counter my assertion that Sturgeon has done a terrible job at almost everything she touches with "but what have you done for the community, i want a reasonable response" really needs no response. It is not even a valid question. As for your assertion thats its not on the shoulders of one person, I hate to break it to you, but being a leader means it's all on you, the good and the bad. Nothing that you said really even makes sense, I only replied because you threw an insult in behind the sarky "i want a reasonable answer" comment
Mistakes have been made by both governments. I believe sturgeon had held her hands up and admitted the mistakes. Doesn't make it ok but we are all human. Did England not send patients to hospital to care homes in the beginning too? I hope to see a post slating the UK government leader from you too. "She did nothing of the sort. Same with education, ferries et al. Whataboutism is not an answer outside of the civic and joyous brigade. You want me to comment on the UK govs handling on a forum post specifically about Scotland? Deflecting, I think they call it | |||
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