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Won't meet vaccinated memebers

By *itvclaire OP TV/TS over a year ago

Birmingham

Just seen this on a profile, and it's a first for me. Anyone else spotted this on a profile? There was also something about shedding harmful spike proteins.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Easy filter

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By *itvclaire OP TV/TS over a year ago

Birmingham

"Easy filter

Certainly was

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

I received a message which included the words "ugly cunt" and "its only flu". That was a very easy filter...

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By *olymalelincsMan over a year ago

southend

Yup seen this aswell and yup easy filter

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

See on pof profile today with someone I'm chating to he wont meet jabbed people! Not told him I've been jabbed yet! Maybe it's their way of getting back at those that say wont meet unvaxed? Bit petty

I know but their prerogative x

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By *olymalelincsMan over a year ago

southend

"See on pof profile today with someone I'm chating to he wont meet jabbed people! Not told him I've been jabbed yet! Maybe it's their way of getting back at those that say wont meet unvaxed? Bit petty

I know but their prerogative x"

My worry is are they the same sort of people that wouldn't get regularly tested for Sti's aswell?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

I know but their prerogative x

My worry is are they the same sort of people that wouldn't get regularly tested for Sti's aswell?"

Then best not to meet them? X

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By *ogerBottomsMan over a year ago

Aberdare

"Just seen this on a profile, and it's a first for me. Anyone else spotted this on a profile? There was also something about shedding harmful spike proteins.

XX"

Not concerned about shedding a potentially fatal virus though? That's worthy of a very slow handclap.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

Yep seen this on a few profiles but hey there profiles they can put what they want on it.myself ive been jabbed twice but have blocked loads who are pro vax and anti vax as i think anyone who gets on there high horse about those not getting jabbed are just as bad as those who post bollox about 5g and such stuff

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple over a year ago

liverpool

Very strange requirements

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Yep seen this on a few profiles but hey there profiles they can put what they want on it.myself ive been jabbed twice but have blocked loads who are pro vax and anti vax as i think anyone who gets on there high horse about those not getting jabbed are just as bad as those who post bollox about 5g and such stuff"

Yes this is what I think I've had both jabs! But it's up to each individual no one should b shamed either way! And if anyone asked me if I've had the jab as a requirement to meet then I would decline wouldn't want to meet people like that x

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By *olymalelincsMan over a year ago

southend

I know but their prerogative x

My worry is are they the same sort of people that wouldn't get regularly tested for Sti's aswell?

Then best not to meet them? X"
I don't intend to in either instance if others choose to that's their choice

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

I know but their prerogative x

My worry is are they the same sort of people that wouldn't get regularly tested for Sti's aswell?

Then best not to meet them? X I don't intend to in either instance if others choose to that's their choice "

Exactly! Is all down to choice! When alls said and done! At end of day!

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By *evilandTheBeastCouple over a year ago

Peterborough and Bedford

"Easy filter

Exactly this for us, too. We spotted it first about a month or so ago.

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By *assConductorMan over a year ago

the wild

Not on here, but I've seen it a few times on Tinder.

It's good when people wave their red flags high above their heads for visibility.

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By *olymalelincsMan over a year ago

southend

"Not on here, but I've seen it a few times on Tinder.

It's good when people wave their red flags high above their heads for visibility. "
it does make life a little easier when they do that doesn't it lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just seen this on a profile, and it's a first for me. Anyone else spotted this on a profile? There was also something about shedding harmful spike proteins.

As the vast majority of UK population are getting the jabs, it is going to limit very much the availability of unvaccinated people for such individuals to meet.

Personally it is something I might ask out of curiosity but wouldn't be a deal breaker either way. I don't feel the need to state on my profile that I have had both jabs though. X

XX"

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By *an hjCouple over a year ago

Stowmarket

I have had the covid, pneumonia, flu, mumps,measles, rubella, polio vaccines, so I have no chance of meeting then.

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By *olymalelincsMan over a year ago

southend

"I have had the covid, pneumonia, flu, mumps,measles, rubella, polio vaccines, so I have no chance of meeting then."

Only one of those I haven't had is pneumonia vaccine there hope for us vaccinated people yet I think we will be in the majority any way lol

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By *dy635guyMan over a year ago

Lincoln

I find this incredible. I can understand people not wanting to meet the great unvaccinated. But not wanting to meet the vaccinated? Come on. Ive had both jabs and can't understand anyone not wanting to be done unless they've got a genuine medical condition which prevents it.

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By *olymalelincsMan over a year ago

southend

"I find this incredible. I can understand people not wanting to meet the great unvaccinated. But not wanting to meet the vaccinated? Come on. Ive had both jabs and can't understand anyone not wanting to be done unless they've got a genuine medical condition which prevents it. "

Its apparently because we the vaccinated are more dangerous than the virus with all the nasty imaginary spike protine that we shed and cause infertility just by being near people

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Its apparently because we the vaccinated are more dangerous than the virus with all the nasty imaginary spike protine that we shed and cause infertility just by being near people

Yes, it's a common argument for those against various vaccinations that it's the vaccinated who shed disease (or here, spike protein), not the unvaccinated. Not that it makes any sense.

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By *uenevereWoman over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Its apparently because we the vaccinated are more dangerous than the virus with all the nasty imaginary spike protine that we shed and cause infertility just by being near people

Yes, it's a common argument for those against various vaccinations that it's the vaccinated who shed disease (or here, spike protein), not the unvaccinated. Not that it makes any sense."

It boggles the mind that people actually believe that sort of thing

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Its apparently because we the vaccinated are more dangerous than the virus with all the nasty imaginary spike protine that we shed and cause infertility just by being near people

Yes, it's a common argument for those against various vaccinations that it's the vaccinated who shed disease (or here, spike protein), not the unvaccinated. Not that it makes any sense.

It boggles the mind that people actually believe that sort of thing

Wait until you hit germ theory denial. Yes, a thing, in 2021

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By *DGF20Man over a year ago

Dublin

It's personal choice, same as someone don't want meet unvaccinated...but sad in general

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By *evilandTheBeastCouple over a year ago

Peterborough and Bedford

"Wait until you hit germ theory denial. Yes, a thing, in 2021

Pardon our ignorance, but the what???

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By *olymalelincsMan over a year ago

southend

Its apparently because we the vaccinated are more dangerous than the virus with all the nasty imaginary spike protine that we shed and cause infertility just by being near people

Yes, it's a common argument for those against various vaccinations that it's the vaccinated who shed disease (or here, spike protein), not the unvaccinated. Not that it makes any sense.

It boggles the mind that people actually believe that sort of thing

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it really does, it amazes me that people are so easily duoped into believing crack pots on the internet that claim to have all the answers, there have been studies into why people believe some of this stuff and it's apparently to do with it being easier to swallow that the fact that there is a massive world changing pandemic going on that is completely out of their control where as the vaccine is something they have some amount of control over by refusing it and demonizing that and the shadowy figures that are apparently manipulating the population

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Wait until you hit germ theory denial. Yes, a thing, in 2021

Pardon our ignorance, but the what???"

Germ theory is the idea that pathogens (viruses, bacteria, fungi) cause disease. Not desperately controversial or new.

But according to some it's never been proven that viruses cause disease. Some hold, per terrain theory (which made some sense in the 19th century...) that bad health causes disease, and pathogen particles found in bodies of sick people are the byproducts of disease.

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By *uenevereWoman over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Its apparently because we the vaccinated are more dangerous than the virus with all the nasty imaginary spike protine that we shed and cause infertility just by being near people

Yes, it's a common argument for those against various vaccinations that it's the vaccinated who shed disease (or here, spike protein), not the unvaccinated. Not that it makes any sense.

It boggles the mind that people actually believe that sort of thing

it really does, it amazes me that people are so easily duoped into believing crack pots on the internet that claim to have all the answers, there have been studies into why people believe some of this stuff and it's apparently to do with it being easier to swallow that the fact that there is a massive world changing pandemic going on that is completely out of their control where as the vaccine is something they have some amount of control over by refusing it and demonizing that and the shadowy figures that are apparently manipulating the population"

I kind of get it from that perspective. Still odd though...

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By *anky_PankyWoman over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

"Just seen this on a profile, and it's a first for me. Anyone else spotted this on a profile? There was also something about shedding harmful spike proteins.

XX"

Maybe they have a phobia of little pricks and all associated with....

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By *uenevereWoman over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Wait until you hit germ theory denial. Yes, a thing, in 2021

Pardon our ignorance, but the what???

Germ theory is the idea that pathogens (viruses, bacteria, fungi) cause disease. Not desperately controversial or new.

When you think you've heard them all... you learn all sorts of things on Fab.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Wait until you hit germ theory denial. Yes, a thing, in 2021

Pardon our ignorance, but the what???

Germ theory is the idea that pathogens (viruses, bacteria, fungi) cause disease. Not desperately controversial or new.

When you think you've heard them all... you learn all sorts of things on Fab."

I wish I were making this up...

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By *evilandTheBeastCouple over a year ago

Peterborough and Bedford

"Wait until you hit germ theory denial. Yes, a thing, in 2021

Pardon our ignorance, but the what???

Germ theory is the idea that pathogens (viruses, bacteria, fungi) cause disease. Not desperately controversial or new.

When you think you've heard them all... you learn all sorts of things on Fab."

Thank you for explaining. Maybe it's the forever dilemma about what was first, the egg or the chicken? As the bad health had to come from somewhere?

And that's very true, that you learn all sort of things on Fab.

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By *anky_PankyWoman over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

"I received a message which included the words "ugly cunt" and "its only flu". That was a very easy filter..."

I would love to know how they had even seen your cunt to comment!!

Hello btw my dear, hope you are well xx

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Wait until you hit germ theory denial. Yes, a thing, in 2021

Pardon our ignorance, but the what???

Germ theory is the idea that pathogens (viruses, bacteria, fungi) cause disease. Not desperately controversial or new.

When you think you've heard them all... you learn all sorts of things on Fab.

Thank you for explaining. Maybe it's the forever dilemma about what was first, the egg or the chicken? As the bad health had to come from somewhere?

And that's very true, that you learn all sort of things on Fab. "

Pathogens existed well before humans, traces of viruses even exist in our DNA. They're another form of parasite, in essence

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By *cloversCouple over a year ago

Hull

"I received a message which included the words "ugly cunt" and "its only flu". That was a very easy filter..."

Jesus what the hell is wrong with people??? Sorry you had to read that

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

I am living proof the vaccination causes infertility. I had my second jab May 10th and havent got pregnant since.

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By *evilandTheBeastCouple over a year ago

Peterborough and Bedford

"I am living proof the vaccination causes infertility. I had my second jab May 10th and havent got pregnant since."

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

Thank the lord they are keeping to themselves

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By *oubleswing2019Man over a year ago

Colchester

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By *oubleswing2019Man over a year ago

Colchester

Bryan Caplan discussed "Rational Irrationality" in a paper published 2000/2001.

Admittedly it was a theory that explains how unfavourable policies can be selected by voters in a democracy. (The theory has been broadened to cover other areas apart from politics, eg Religion.)

To summarise Wikipedia, Caplan theorises that there are 2 types of rationality.

1. Epistemic Rationality. A person forms "beliefs" within a truth framework underpinning their beliefs. They try keep their minds open for new evidence, and try to avoid fallacious reasoning.

2. Instrumental Rationality. This means the person chooses the most effective means to attain their actual goals, with their beliefs in mind.

Here's the kicker.

Rational Irrationality means the person uses Instrumental Rationality (2) to achieve a position of Epistemic IRRATIONALITY (the opposite of 1, essentially).

What does this mean ?

It means that a person who seeks to only meet unvaccinated people (they have stated this as the most effective means to attain their goal, so it's Instrumental Rationality), has underpinned this with Epistemic Irrationality (Not used a framework of truth/science) to underpin their beliefs.

This is actually a thing.

It does not mean the individual deliberately chooses something they believe to be false.

It means that the cost of having such a belief is so unimportant to them that they relax their reasoning, and thus are more swayed by cognitive bias, erroneous thinking or emotional appeals.

They feel that the intellectual effort required to understand the nuances and contradictions to their beliefs is not worth it.

There's a whole lot more on how rational irrationality can exist and what conditions foster it beyond the scope of this post, but they are fascinating and well worth a read to try and understand how some people can irrationally rationalise themselves in to holding certain beliefs.

I tend to think of such folks not as stupid or moronic, but simply not as investing the same rigour as others in arriving at their conclusions.

For some, it's wilful ignorance. For others deliberate malevolence. For some, they just don't realise. For others, they just don't care. All are irrational however.

There is a saying that everyone is entitled to their beliefs but this is a truism. (A statement which asserts incomplete truth conditions for a proposition).

But as Bill Bullard (Republican member of both houses of the Michigan Legislature and local official in Oakland County) said, "Opinion is really the lowest form of human knowledge. It requires no accountability, no understanding."

Let's get Philosophy, Critical Thinking, Ethics, Politics and Discourse more embedded in the national curriculum for the formative years. It will serve future citizens with skills which will help them hone their epistemic rationality, and leave them less likely to be prone to instrumental irrationality.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Not seen it. I'm not telling lies to get a meet. There are thousands of people here and I'm never in a rush.

It's good that people have freedom to choose

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By *stbury DavenportMan over a year ago

Nottingham

I know but their prerogative x

My worry is are they the same sort of people that wouldn't get regularly tested for Sti's aswell?"

I've been making this assumption through the pandemic. Want to know who'd bareback a stranger? Look at who isn't wearing a mask. Anyone who's willing to spread COVID around would do the same with an STI.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

I know but their prerogative x

My worry is are they the same sort of people that wouldn't get regularly tested for Sti's aswell?

Tbh I dont think u can compare the 2? I for one would never bareback with a stranger! But meet a unvax? No problem wouldn't even ask! X

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By *ilver Fox 60Man over a year ago

Southport

I would never meet unvaccinated people.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"I would never meet unvaccinated people."

In general or just covid?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know but their prerogative x

My worry is are they the same sort of people that wouldn't get regularly tested for Sti's aswell?

People don't wear masks for many reasons

Not because they have STI's or want to spread them

Very judgemental!

Can't believe some humans actually think this way

Genuinely don't think there's any need for this thread which seems to have turned to bashing people regarding personal choice of their own body

If people think someone has a red flag over their head because of simple choices made for their own reasons ... Then imo I think they are the ones with the red flags

You do you.

Let everyone be !

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By *inister_SpinsterWoman over a year ago

North West

"Just seen this on a profile, and it's a first for me. Anyone else spotted this on a profile? There was also something about shedding harmful spike proteins.

XX"

Agree with everything about 'easy filter'.

But how the actual fuck is someone going to verify you have (or haven't) been vaccinated? As long as you keep your proteins from shedding, they'll be none the wiser...

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By *escreetsexMan over a year ago

cannock

Pmsl

Wont have many to choose from soon then ???????

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By *andare63Man over a year ago

oldham

"I have had the covid, pneumonia, flu, mumps,measles, rubella, polio vaccines, so I have no chance of meeting then."

Jeees you've more micro chips than battersea dogs home

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

I know but their prerogative x

My worry is are they the same sort of people that wouldn't get regularly tested for Sti's aswell?

People don't wear masks for many reasons

Not because they have STI's or want to spread them

Very judgemental!

Can't believe some humans actually think this way

Genuinely don't think there's any need for this thread which seems to have turned to bashing people regarding personal choice of their own body

If people think someone has a red flag over their head because of simple choices made for their own reasons ... Then imo I think they are the ones with the red flags

You do you.

Let everyone be ! "

Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know but their prerogative x

My worry is are they the same sort of people that wouldn't get regularly tested for Sti's aswell?

People don't wear masks for many reasons

Not because they have STI's or want to spread them

Very judgemental!

Can't believe some humans actually think this way

Genuinely don't think there's any need for this thread which seems to have turned to bashing people regarding personal choice of their own body

If people think someone has a red flag over their head because of simple choices made for their own reasons ... Then imo I think they are the ones with the red flags

You do you.

Let everyone be ! "

Totally agree x

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By *olymalelincsMan over a year ago

southend

"Just seen this on a profile, and it's a first for me. Anyone else spotted this on a profile? There was also something about shedding harmful spike proteins.

Agree with everything about 'easy filter'.

But how the actual fuck is someone going to verify you have (or haven't) been vaccinated? As long as you keep your proteins from shedding, they'll be none the wiser...

Really easy to prove I have had my vaccinations, the main NHS app has a section that shows vaccine status I would assume just as easy to show if you haven't by showing the same section of the app

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just seen this on a profile, and it's a first for me. Anyone else spotted this on a profile? There was also something about shedding harmful spike proteins.

Agree with everything about 'easy filter'.

But how the actual fuck is someone going to verify you have (or haven't) been vaccinated? As long as you keep your proteins from shedding, they'll be none the wiser...

Really easy to prove I have had my vaccinations, the main NHS app has a section that shows vaccine status I would assume just as easy to show if you haven't by showing the same section of the app"

I would thought you going around asking to see someones nhs app before you prepared to get with them or socialise is gonna make those panties drop quicker than a bullet from a gun !!....the old do you come here often and are you inoculated line would work a treat i reckon lmao

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Just seen this on a profile, and it's a first for me. Anyone else spotted this on a profile? There was also something about shedding harmful spike proteins.

Agree with everything about 'easy filter'.

But how the actual fuck is someone going to verify you have (or haven't) been vaccinated? As long as you keep your proteins from shedding, they'll be none the wiser...

Really easy to prove I have had my vaccinations, the main NHS app has a section that shows vaccine status I would assume just as easy to show if you haven't by showing the same section of the app

Exactly! Pmsl! X

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By *agpie and RavenMan over a year ago

Leicester

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X"

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs? "

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X

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By *agpie and RavenMan over a year ago

Leicester

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X"

Ahhh, makes sense. Have you had any adverse affects?

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By *iss SinWoman over a year ago

portchester

I would rather they wore a condom then had the jabs. What a funny world we live in

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We couldn't care less whether someone has or has not had their jabs. Same with people not wearing masks etc.

We will look after us and ours and everyone else can do the same. We're not gonna judge anyone for their personal choices.

However, if anyone asked for proof of anything even before a social we probably wouldn't meet them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X"

THIS !!!!!

THIS ISNT FAIR AND HAPPENING ALL OVER !

And the unxaxxed are the people to stay away from?!!

Its cult-like bullying behaviour

As a result of pure peer pressure nothin, you have made a decision for your body, YOUR body to please others.

Not fair

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We couldn't care less whether someone has or has not had their jabs. Same with people not wearing masks etc.

We will look after us and ours and everyone else can do the same. We're not gonna judge anyone for their personal choices.

However, if anyone asked for proof of anything even before a social we probably wouldn't meet them.

There needs to be more of this. Not segregation!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We couldn't care less whether someone has or has not had their jabs. Same with people not wearing masks etc.

We will look after us and ours and everyone else can do the same. We're not gonna judge anyone for their personal choices.

However, if anyone asked for proof of anything even before a social we probably wouldn't meet them.

There needs to be more of this. Not segregation!!"

Its medical apartheid ....tho those cheering for it have not thought of how it ends because they believe it just this virus ....and id be certain in feb 2020 they would have been appalled with there own cheerleading

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We couldn't care less whether someone has or has not had their jabs. Same with people not wearing masks etc.

We will look after us and ours and everyone else can do the same. We're not gonna judge anyone for their personal choices.

However, if anyone asked for proof of anything even before a social we probably wouldn't meet them.

Same here.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X

Ahhh, makes sense. Have you had any adverse affects?"

Joint pain but that may b coincidence who knows ? X

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"We couldn't care less whether someone has or has not had their jabs. Same with people not wearing masks etc.

We will look after us and ours and everyone else can do the same. We're not gonna judge anyone for their personal choices.

However, if anyone asked for proof of anything even before a social we probably wouldn't meet them.

Same here I would say thanks but no thanks x

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X

THIS !!!!!

THIS ISNT FAIR AND HAPPENING ALL OVER !

And the unxaxxed are the people to stay away from?!!

Its cult-like bullying behaviour

As a result of pure peer pressure nothin, you have made a decision for your body, YOUR body to please others.

Not fair"

Yes true but I could have said no? And they did seem very concerned was done out of love my 2 granddaughters 25 and 27 so adults were especially concerned as they lost their other 2 grandparents to covid 2 days apart at xmas x

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X

THIS !!!!!

THIS ISNT FAIR AND HAPPENING ALL OVER !

And the unxaxxed are the people to stay away from?!!

Its cult-like bullying behaviour

As a result of pure peer pressure nothin, you have made a decision for your body, YOUR body to please others.

Not fair"

Ah, but it goes both ways, we are abused for having the vaccines, called sheep, called stupid, sent vile messages, threatened, abused etc.

There's alot of stuff that gets sent via messages, mainly by people that know it would be a straight ban if they said it in the forums.

The issue with you saying its YOUR body is that the choice isn't only affecting YOU, that's mainly why I have an issue with it, that, and the (mostly) conspiracy theory driven reasons for not having the vaccines.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X

THIS !!!!!

THIS ISNT FAIR AND HAPPENING ALL OVER !

And the unxaxxed are the people to stay away from?!!

Its cult-like bullying behaviour

As a result of pure peer pressure nothin, you have made a decision for your body, YOUR body to please others.

Not fair

Ah, but it goes both ways, we are abused for having the vaccines, called sheep, called stupid, sent vile messages, threatened, abused etc.

There's alot of stuff that gets sent via messages, mainly by people that know it would be a straight ban if they said it in the forums.

U should report people that pm u with vile stuff! In fact I dont think u shd b able to pm people from the forums on any subject! As for it's not only affecting that one persons body at the end of day regardless it's still their body and their choice x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just seen this on a profile, and it's a first for me. Anyone else spotted this on a profile? There was also something about shedding harmful spike proteins.

XX"

Yes I have it on mine

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X

THIS !!!!!

THIS ISNT FAIR AND HAPPENING ALL OVER !

And the unxaxxed are the people to stay away from?!!

Its cult-like bullying behaviour

As a result of pure peer pressure nothin, you have made a decision for your body, YOUR body to please others.

Not fair

Ah, but it goes both ways, we are abused for having the vaccines, called sheep, called stupid, sent vile messages, threatened, abused etc.

There's alot of stuff that gets sent via messages, mainly by people that know it would be a straight ban if they said it in the forums.

Well, it's a good job not everyone is only thinking about themselves then lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X

THIS !!!!!

THIS ISNT FAIR AND HAPPENING ALL OVER !

And the unxaxxed are the people to stay away from?!!

Its cult-like bullying behaviour

As a result of pure peer pressure nothin, you have made a decision for your body, YOUR body to please others.

Not fair

Ah, but it goes both ways, we are abused for having the vaccines, called sheep, called stupid, sent vile messages, threatened, abused etc.

There's alot of stuff that gets sent via messages, mainly by people that know it would be a straight ban if they said it in the forums.

I haven't seen ANY hatred directed towards people that decide to be vaxxed personally

Yet unbelievable amounts (like can't even escape it on FabSwingers amount) of hatred, name calling, distrust and down right nastiness to the other side.

Regardless of whether you have this 'vaccine' or not you can still carry and pass on the 'virus' soooo in theory no matter what you do it still affects others ????

I genuinely cannot understand why unvaxed people being slated so vile and openly?

As if they are less than??

It's turned far too political imo for it to be a matter of health anymore

Everyone has a choice

People shouldn't be penalised for making one which is exactly what is happening all over the place right now

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X

THIS !!!!!

THIS ISNT FAIR AND HAPPENING ALL OVER !

And the unxaxxed are the people to stay away from?!!

Its cult-like bullying behaviour

As a result of pure peer pressure nothin, you have made a decision for your body, YOUR body to please others.

Not fair

Ah, but it goes both ways, we are abused for having the vaccines, called sheep, called stupid, sent vile messages, threatened, abused etc.

There's alot of stuff that gets sent via messages, mainly by people that know it would be a straight ban if they said it in the forums.

I haven't seen ANY hatred directed towards people that decide to be vaxxed personally

Yeah the message that i received calling me an ugly cunt and ranting about flu was my imagination. And the other one going on about how I would die because I got jabbed...

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By *olymalelincsMan over a year ago

southend

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X

THIS !!!!!

THIS ISNT FAIR AND HAPPENING ALL OVER !

And the unxaxxed are the people to stay away from?!!

Its cult-like bullying behaviour

As a result of pure peer pressure nothin, you have made a decision for your body, YOUR body to please others.

Not fair

Ah, but it goes both ways, we are abused for having the vaccines, called sheep, called stupid, sent vile messages, threatened, abused etc.

There's alot of stuff that gets sent via messages, mainly by people that know it would be a straight ban if they said it in the forums.

I haven't seen ANY hatred directed towards people that decide to be vaxxed personally

Yeah the message that i received calling me an ugly cunt and ranting about flu was my imagination. And the other one going on about how I would die because I got jabbed..."

have had the same sort of crap sent to me aswell Polly, It's disgusting really then there are all the sheep comments when anyone agrees with being vaccinated or wearing masks and all the crap about how we are idiots to think that masks work, only need look on the masks post to see it or pretty much most of the threads in the virus forum really

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"Just seen this on a profile, and it's a first for me. Anyone else spotted this on a profile? There was also something about shedding harmful spike proteins.

Agree with everything about 'easy filter'.

But how the actual fuck is someone going to verify you have (or haven't) been vaccinated? As long as you keep your proteins from shedding, they'll be none the wiser...

Really easy to prove I have had my vaccinations, the main NHS app has a section that shows vaccine status I would assume just as easy to show if you haven't by showing the same section of the app

I for one shall not be requiring to look at anyone's nhs app, or asking for any other type of documentary evidence. Mainly because I have no immediate intention of dropping my panties for just any random person. Postings on this forum over the last 18 months will give me a good guideline towards peoples attitude towards covid for a start. However my expectation is that I am only likely to get to the personal contact stage with people that I have come to know in some depth, where there is mutual trust and honesty. If course, maybe this just means that I'll never have sex with anyone ever again, if so then I guess that's my own fault for hoping to find people that are trustworthy.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X

THIS !!!!!

THIS ISNT FAIR AND HAPPENING ALL OVER !

And the unxaxxed are the people to stay away from?!!

Its cult-like bullying behaviour

As a result of pure peer pressure nothin, you have made a decision for your body, YOUR body to please others.

Not fair

Ah, but it goes both ways, we are abused for having the vaccines, called sheep, called stupid, sent vile messages, threatened, abused etc.

There's alot of stuff that gets sent via messages, mainly by people that know it would be a straight ban if they said it in the forums.

I haven't seen ANY hatred directed towards people that decide to be vaxxed personally

Yet unbelievable amounts (like can't even escape it on FabSwingers amount) of hatred, name calling, distrust and down right nastiness to the other side.

Regardless of whether you have this 'vaccine' or not you can still carry and pass on the 'virus' soooo in theory no matter what you do it still affects others ????

I genuinely cannot understand why unvaxed people being slated so vile and openly?

As if they are less than??

It's turned far too political imo for it to be a matter of health anymore

Everyone has a choice

People shouldn't be penalised for making one which is exactly what is happening all over the place right now "

Maybe you're blinkered because there's LOADS of it.

There are many situations in which people are penalised for choices they make, especially if they are putting other people at risk.

The vaccine reduces transmission, pretty self explanatory.

Why do you think the deaths and hospitalisations are so low when cases are rising dramatically? That's what the vaccine is doing, it's helping stop severe illness and death. Most people see that as a good thing.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I think it's pretty well established that people can meet or not meet anyone for any reason they like. I'm not sure why this is different.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How about, you make your own decisions and let others make theirs... And if you decide to do something because others advise you to do so, either way... I am sure that's still your decision, not theirs, peer pressure is a cop out?!? If you are vaccinated and you don't want to meet people that aren't... Don't... And vice versa... No different to any other preferences... Just mind your business and move on

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By *ightmovesTV/TS over a year ago

Ipswich

Do the non vaxxers get jabs for all the other ailments that can seriously damage your health or is it just covid ones they avoid ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I saw this too but on a meet request in my local area… which is Manchester… one of the least vaccinated areas and the area with THE lowest life expectancy rates in the country. I don’t understand their rationale, but each to their own.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Do the non vaxxers get jabs for all the other ailments that can seriously damage your health or is it just covid ones they avoid ?"

Surely that depends if they are actually anti vaxxers or just wary of this one, no?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Do the non vaxxers get jabs for all the other ailments that can seriously damage your health or is it just covid ones they avoid ?"

I would assume all of them, unless it stops them going on holiday, or affects their freedom in other ways.

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By *ightmovesTV/TS over a year ago

Ipswich

" Do the non vaxxers get jabs for all the other ailments that can seriously damage your health or is it just covid ones they avoid ?

Surely that depends if they are actually anti vaxxers or just wary of this one, no? "

If the internet was around when penicillin was first used it would have had anti vaxxers saying the same sort of stuff about it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Do the non vaxxers get jabs for all the other ailments that can seriously damage your health or is it just covid ones they avoid ?

Surely that depends if they are actually anti vaxxers or just wary of this one, no? "

And I think that is the difference.

I do understand people being sceptical but what I don't understand is people then going on an anti-vax narrative that's what I struggle with.

All so I saw a report in the news the other day that said the amount of people who have said they would not take the vaccine for covid actually have taken it.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

" Do the non vaxxers get jabs for all the other ailments that can seriously damage your health or is it just covid ones they avoid ?

Surely that depends if they are actually anti vaxxers or just wary of this one, no?

If the internet was around when penicillin was first used it would have had anti vaxxers saying the same sort of stuff about it. "

The first antivaxxers thought that the smallpox vaccine would turn people into cows.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

" Do the non vaxxers get jabs for all the other ailments that can seriously damage your health or is it just covid ones they avoid ?

Surely that depends if they are actually anti vaxxers or just wary of this one, no?

And I think that is the difference.

I do understand people being sceptical but what I don't understand is people then going on an anti-vax narrative that's what I struggle with.

All so I saw a report in the news the other day that said the amount of people who have said they would not take the vaccine for covid actually have taken it. "

Definitely. Vaccine hesitant, I understand to a point.

The wilder stuff... Not so much

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have two very dear friends who don’t want the vaccine and I love them to bits, but neither of them have been able to tell me their reasons for not wanting it. I accept them for who they are but I am worried for them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How about, you make your own decisions and let others make theirs... And if you decide to do something because others advise you to do so, either way... I am sure that's still your decision, not theirs, peer pressure is a cop out?!? If you are vaccinated and you don't want to meet people that aren't... Don't... And vice versa... No different to any other preferences... Just mind your business and move on

I think the difficulty is that the narrative by the government and scientists is that those that are vaccinated or risk from those that aren't and so that's where the division comes whether it's true or not.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

" Do the non vaxxers get jabs for all the other ailments that can seriously damage your health or is it just covid ones they avoid ?

Surely that depends if they are actually anti vaxxers or just wary of this one, no?

If the internet was around when penicillin was first used it would have had anti vaxxers saying the same sort of stuff about it. "

To be fair, when penicillin was first used it was a big unknown, and very little was understood about the mechanism of its action. It was the first of its kind, there was no idea about what dosages might be effective, how long the course of treatment would need to be, whether it might have side effects... The very first patient treated with penicillin improved for a short while, then died. However the patient was only chosen because they were certainly going to die of a bacterial infection anyway, and I believe (recollecting from a documentary movie some years ago) that they were too far gone to be saved with the relatively miniscule amount of penicillin that was available.

My father was one of the test subjects for streptomycin when that was first discovered. He was in hospital with advanced tuberculosis, and was basically told that there was a new treatment, it might kill him stone dead, but if he didn't try it he only had a couple of days left anyway... Fortunately there were no antibiotic conspiracy theorists around to tell him that it was a plot to depopulate the planet, otherwise he would never have recovered and I would not have been conceived...

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By *hocCock1Man over a year ago

Southampton

It's just another divisive subject that keeps the masses arguing and the elite in power, best ignored IMHO

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By *dquestCouple over a year ago

Peterborough

Silly at best

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By *agpie and RavenMan over a year ago

Leicester

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X

Ahhh, makes sense. Have you had any adverse affects?

Joint pain but that may b coincidence who knows ? X"

Fingers crossed for you

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

" Do the non vaxxers get jabs for all the other ailments that can seriously damage your health or is it just covid ones they avoid ?

Surely that depends if they are actually anti vaxxers or just wary of this one, no?

If the internet was around when penicillin was first used it would have had anti vaxxers saying the same sort of stuff about it.

The issue with Penicillin Patient Zero (police officer with a rose thorn to the finger, leading to a nasty infection), was that naturally synthesised penicillin actually is predominantly unmetabolised and is excreted renally. They realised this and started recovering it from his urine and repurifying. Basically they kept giving him the same penicillin over and over until it was all eventually metabolised and it ran out. The infection took hold again and he died. The policeman's name was Albert Alexander.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Exactly! I've had both jabs much to my regret! But it's crazy to judge others on their choice!to many self righteous people imo! X

Why do you regret having had both jabs?

Because it was not my intention to have them my children persuaded me to as I'm diabetic/asthmatic and near on 64! X

THIS !!!!!

THIS ISNT FAIR AND HAPPENING ALL OVER !

And the unxaxxed are the people to stay away from?!!

Its cult-like bullying behaviour

As a result of pure peer pressure nothin, you have made a decision for your body, YOUR body to please others.

Not fair

Ah, but it goes both ways, we are abused for having the vaccines, called sheep, called stupid, sent vile messages, threatened, abused etc.

There's alot of stuff that gets sent via messages, mainly by people that know it would be a straight ban if they said it in the forums.

Well, it's a good job not everyone is only thinking about themselves then lol. "

Ohh dear!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Personally I would do meets as healthy individual and purely a deadly flu but if felt not safe or underline conditions especially respiratory I definitely would not meet.

Every year millions through out the planet die of flu but no one blinks an eye and get on with their lives .

Goverments including Scots gov scared everyone at beginning and sadly ruined awfully lot of people’s lives .

Not meeting people only damaged yourself and like flu vacs it lessen the fact you have the flu and with covid jab means awfully lot of people who had are spreading it without realising it same works with the flu .

So wise up stop being scared and get on with your life and stop being like a sheep .Goverment officials are servants to the people not the other way round Plus major share holders in vaccine,medical etc it’s so laughable but true and sad

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have two very dear friends who don’t want the vaccine and I love them to bits, but neither of them have been able to tell me their reasons for not wanting it. I accept them for who they are but I am worried for them."

Probably like me not anti vaccine however takes at least 5 years to prove the data and Covid is another strain of tube flu like other strains that come out to !Do you remember bird flu,Swine flu reported on tv and nobody blinked an eye while millions died throughout the planet and everybody just got on with it went to work ,pubs clubs etc .

Flu vaccine like the Covid means you still get and spread and stop you being really ill so I would say to anyone if underlying conditions ie respiratory as flu loves or feel unsafe than follow your heart it’s a private matter however with media like Facebook coming out with badge of honour cause you took the jab it’s pathetic it’s like you want to be in my gang!Goverments is making fortunes amongst medical and drug companies treating people like experiments cause purely that’s what is all about so respect your friends and don’t dictate to them .I have witnessed people dying from it and say what I said the year before it’s a deadly flu .

P.s tested on animals first they all died weeks later and younger females trying to start a family may be infertility however no one to sue so drug companies win and so does government

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By *jhj69Couple over a year ago

sale

P.s tested on animals first they all died weeks later and younger females trying to start a family may be infertility however no one to sue so drug companies win and so does government "

Oh dear That is literally not how drug trials work. The animals were put down after the trials in the same way that all animals in drug trials are. They didn’t die from the vaccine (which then went into human trials) as you say, stop getting your info from Facebook “it’s pathetic”

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By *jhj69Couple over a year ago

sale

"Personally I would do meets as healthy individual and purely a deadly flu but if felt not safe or underline conditions especially respiratory I definitely would not meet.

Every year millions through out the planet die of flu but no one blinks an eye and get on with their lives .

Goverments including Scots gov scared everyone at beginning and sadly ruined awfully lot of people’s lives .

It is not the flu.

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By *jhj69Couple over a year ago

sale

" Do the non vaxxers get jabs for all the other ailments that can seriously damage your health or is it just covid ones they avoid ?

Surely that depends if they are actually anti vaxxers or just wary of this one, no?

If the internet was around when penicillin was first used it would have had anti vaxxers saying the same sort of stuff about it.

The first antivaxxers thought that the smallpox vaccine would turn people into cows."

I’d like to laugh but even with all the understanding and education we have now compared to then, some groups of people don’t seem to have moved forward much.

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By *an hjCouple over a year ago

Stowmarket

"I have had the covid, pneumonia, flu, mumps,measles, rubella, polio vaccines, so I have no chance of meeting then.

Jeees you've more micro chips than battersea dogs home

That's what I tell the security guys, I am not a shop lifter, it's all the electronic stuff in me setting off the alarms.

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

P.s tested on animals first they all died weeks later and younger females trying to start a family may be infertility however no one to sue so drug companies win and so does government "

Everyone who was vaccinated against Cowpox in 1796 are all dead now.

You read it here first folks.....

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

" Do the non vaxxers get jabs for all the other ailments that can seriously damage your health or is it just covid ones they avoid ?

Surely that depends if they are actually anti vaxxers or just wary of this one, no?

If the internet was around when penicillin was first used it would have had anti vaxxers saying the same sort of stuff about it.

The first antivaxxers thought that the smallpox vaccine would turn people into cows.

I’d like to laugh but even with all the understanding and education we have now compared to then, some groups of people don’t seem to have moved forward much. "

They're remarkably similar arguments given the knowledge we have now

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By *rMrsRichCouple over a year ago

Bournemouh

Yes this! People judging both sides of the fence!

They’d have a hard time meeting us the. We’re a couple where one has been double jabbed and the other has been no jabbed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To all those in this thread pointing out anyone who doesn’t want this treatment as ignorant or stupid .....some of the people who are against giving it to anyone elderly or not at risk ie age groups below 60 and healthily were former virologists , pharma executives , practicing doctors ,etc etc hell one of them even won the nobel prize twice but yet funny how its all a conspiracy

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

"To all those in this thread pointing out anyone who doesn’t want this treatment as ignorant or stupid .....some of the people who are against giving it to anyone elderly or not at risk ie age groups below 60 and healthily were former virologists , pharma executives , practicing doctors ,etc etc hell one of them even won the nobel prize twice but yet funny how its all a conspiracy

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc "

The vast majority of whom have been disctedited/debunked or have an axe to grind or a vested interest in an anti-vax agenda.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc

The vast majority of whom have been disctedited/debunked or have an axe to grind or a vested interest in an anti-vax agenda.

E "

Dis credited by who ? , debunked by who ? Who owns the fact checkers , who runs the media ? Who has a vested interest in it all ? As i said two sides to every argument ....this is no different

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By *izandpaulCouple over a year ago

merseyside

Won't be meeting us then.

That's fine, no issues.

Everyone has to choice of who to meet or not, using whatever criteria floats their boats.

Just getting back to meeting people, jabbed or not, will be a start.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Won't be meeting us then.

That's fine, no issues.

Everyone has to choice of who to meet or not, using whatever criteria floats their boats.

Just getting back to meeting people, jabbed or not, will be a start.

Yes, I think that's the long and short of it.

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc

The vast majority of whom have been disctedited/debunked or have an axe to grind or a vested interest in an anti-vax agenda.

Dis credited by who ? , debunked by who ? Who owns the fact checkers , who runs the media ? Who has a vested interest in it all ? As i said two sides to every argument ....this is no different "

I disagree. This is very different.

We're hopefully working our way out of a global pandemic, that's affected 160+ countries and 7.8 billion people.

We don't need crackpot loons running around with their frankly ridiculous, baseless and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories undoing the good work that's been done by so many.

A quick read through this thread alone shows the fecund stupidity behind so many of these "facts".

The deliberately pejorative miss-interpretation of detail is astounding.

The deniers, the liars, those whose "FACTS" place the gullible and ill-informed in harms way.

I'm astounded on a daily basis by some people's lack of education, basic knowledge and common sense.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc

The vast majority of whom have been disctedited/debunked or have an axe to grind or a vested interest in an anti-vax agenda.

Dis credited by who ? , debunked by who ? Who owns the fact checkers , who runs the media ? Who has a vested interest in it all ? As i said two sides to every argument ....this is no different

I disagree. This is very different.

We're hopefully working our way out of a global pandemic, that's affected 160+ countries and 7.8 billion people.

We don't need crackpot loons running around with their frankly ridiculous, baseless and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories undoing the good work that's been done by so many.

A quick read through this thread alone shows the fecund stupidity behind so many of these "facts".

The deliberately pejorative miss-interpretation of detail is astounding.

The deniers, the liars, those whose "FACTS" place the gullible and ill-informed in harms way.

I'm astounded on a daily basis by some people's lack of education, basic knowledge and common sense.

Im astounded by some people who are supposed to be educated to not look objectively at all sides .....Two time Nobel peace prize winner a crackpot loon? Really ?? ....but some spunktrumpet from eton who can’t even adhere to his own rules and keep it in his pants isn’t? Or the one that did the dodgy model in the first place who also couldn’t ? Or the one in the states who’s very email’s point out gain of function and the use of masks as just theatre to push the narrative ?? One point that most who refuse to look at both sides in this is that pandemics do not need fear propaganda , they need calming messaging and a reduction of fear ...because you see it all around and would be scared as fuck no more no less ...but yet no one asks why ramp it up ? Why ? What purpose does the messaging and the words they use create ? One purpose fear and panic , which creates control ....and then solution .....

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc

The vast majority of whom have been disctedited/debunked or have an axe to grind or a vested interest in an anti-vax agenda.

Dis credited by who ? , debunked by who ? Who owns the fact checkers , who runs the media ? Who has a vested interest in it all ? As i said two sides to every argument ....this is no different

I disagree. This is very different.

We're hopefully working our way out of a global pandemic, that's affected 160+ countries and 7.8 billion people.

We don't need crackpot loons running around with their frankly ridiculous, baseless and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories undoing the good work that's been done by so many.

A quick read through this thread alone shows the fecund stupidity behind so many of these "facts".

The deliberately pejorative miss-interpretation of detail is astounding.

The deniers, the liars, those whose "FACTS" place the gullible and ill-informed in harms way.

I'm astounded on a daily basis by some people's lack of education, basic knowledge and common sense.

Looking at both sides doesn't mean disregarding evidence.

I have looked at both sides. On one side we have the scientific consensus.

On the other side we have a lot of people who are widely and repeatedly discredited in this particular realm, no matter what they've done elsewhere.

Separate to this, we have political leaders.

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc

The vast majority of whom have been disctedited/debunked or have an axe to grind or a vested interest in an anti-vax agenda.

Dis credited by who ? , debunked by who ? Who owns the fact checkers , who runs the media ? Who has a vested interest in it all ? As i said two sides to every argument ....this is no different

I disagree. This is very different.

We're hopefully working our way out of a global pandemic, that's affected 160+ countries and 7.8 billion people.

We don't need crackpot loons running around with their frankly ridiculous, baseless and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories undoing the good work that's been done by so many.

A quick read through this thread alone shows the fecund stupidity behind so many of these "facts".

The deliberately pejorative miss-interpretation of detail is astounding.

The deniers, the liars, those whose "FACTS" place the gullible and ill-informed in harms way.

I'm astounded on a daily basis by some people's lack of education, basic knowledge and common sense.

Are you suggesting the solutions to a global pandemic are all about control?

Yes, I've looked at both sides of the "argument". I've done it with objectivity and an open mind.

I'm aware that confirmation bias exists. I've been mindful not to have fallen into that trap.

Clearly many haven't.

I've read all I can, from reliable, attributable, recognised sources.

Clearly many haven't.

Where a source has been discredited I've looked at why and by who.

Many clearly haven't.

I'll look at the science, not necessarily the scientist.

I don't care if a government official tells us not to stick our heads in gas ovens, and pictures emerge of him with his head deep inside.

Because he/they/them break the rules doesn't give me carte blanche permission to do the same. It just makes him a hypocrite.

Too much critisism, not enough critical thinking. Although I'm aware many don't have the mental faculty for it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc

The vast majority of whom have been disctedited/debunked or have an axe to grind or a vested interest in an anti-vax agenda.

Dis credited by who ? , debunked by who ? Who owns the fact checkers , who runs the media ? Who has a vested interest in it all ? As i said two sides to every argument ....this is no different

I disagree. This is very different.

We're hopefully working our way out of a global pandemic, that's affected 160+ countries and 7.8 billion people.

We don't need crackpot loons running around with their frankly ridiculous, baseless and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories undoing the good work that's been done by so many.

A quick read through this thread alone shows the fecund stupidity behind so many of these "facts".

The deliberately pejorative miss-interpretation of detail is astounding.

The deniers, the liars, those whose "FACTS" place the gullible and ill-informed in harms way.

I'm astounded on a daily basis by some people's lack of education, basic knowledge and common sense.

Looking at both sides doesn't mean disregarding evidence.

I have looked at both sides. On one side we have the scientific consensus.

On the other side we have a lot of people who are widely and repeatedly discredited in this particular realm, no matter what they've done elsewhere.

Separate to this, we have political leaders."

Ive looked at both sides ,?I've also looked at the stats numerous times for who it effects ie deaths etc ....hell we even seen whitty , vallance etc on the telly tell us the average age of death ....we know it all , yet science is never settled so what makes there points the the consensus ? After all this time there is still yet to be a true debate on any of the measures , vaccines , treatments ....why ? Who gains ? Certainly not science and you say the likes of sage are qualified in this realm then yes ? So why have they got no virologist on board but a clinical psychologist they do ? For a viral infection ?? Would you say she is qualified ? But someone like Carl Heneghan , a clinical epidemiologist and head of university of oxford centre for evidence based

Medicine isn’t ?? Is he a loon too ? Cause he can’t seem to express his opinion on the bbc you think he is a crackpot ?

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By *uHorny1Man over a year ago

Cannock

If they won't meet anyone who is vaccinated, they're going to have a very small pool of potential meets...

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc

The vast majority of whom have been disctedited/debunked or have an axe to grind or a vested interest in an anti-vax agenda.

Dis credited by who ? , debunked by who ? Who owns the fact checkers , who runs the media ? Who has a vested interest in it all ? As i said two sides to every argument ....this is no different

I disagree. This is very different.

We're hopefully working our way out of a global pandemic, that's affected 160+ countries and 7.8 billion people.

We don't need crackpot loons running around with their frankly ridiculous, baseless and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories undoing the good work that's been done by so many.

A quick read through this thread alone shows the fecund stupidity behind so many of these "facts".

The deliberately pejorative miss-interpretation of detail is astounding.

The deniers, the liars, those whose "FACTS" place the gullible and ill-informed in harms way.

I'm astounded on a daily basis by some people's lack of education, basic knowledge and common sense.

Looking at both sides doesn't mean disregarding evidence.

I have looked at both sides. On one side we have the scientific consensus.

On the other side we have a lot of people who are widely and repeatedly discredited in this particular realm, no matter what they've done elsewhere.

Separate to this, we have political leaders.

Medicine isn’t ?? Is he a loon too ? Cause he can’t seem to express his opinion on the bbc you think he is a crackpot ? "

Current members of SAGE;

Sir Patrick Vallance, Chief Scientific Adviser (chair)

Professor Chris Whitty, Chief Medical Adviser

Medical and scientific experts;

Professor John Aston, statistician, Chief Scientific Adviser to the Home Office

Dr Meera Chand, microbiologist

Sir Ian Diamond, National Statistician

Professor John Edmunds, epidemiologist

Sir Jeremy Farrar, medical researcher

Professor Neil Ferguson, epidemiologist

Professor Peter Horby, epidemiologist

Professor Angela McLean, mathematical biologist

Professor Graham Medley, epidemiologist

Dr Edward Mullins, clinical adviser

Professor Sharon Peacock, microbiologist

Professor Stephen Powis, national medical director for England

Professor Andrew Rambaut, molecular biologist

Emma Reed, emergency planner

Professor Brooke Rogers, social psychologist

Dr James Rubin, psychologist

Professor Jonathan Van-Tam, influenza specialist, Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England

Professor Charlotte Watts, epidemiologist, Chief Scientific Advisor to the Department for International Development

Professor Maria Zambon, virologist

Plenty of experts in the field of virology in there by the looks.

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By *uHorny1Man over a year ago

Cannock

As a result of my previous post, I've just had a message from "Liverpool Lover", telling me he's glad there's a small pool of potential meets, as he won't ever meet a vaccinated person.

And he blocked me too.

Not that I was ever going to meet him. These anti- vaxers are odd...

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc

The vast majority of whom have been disctedited/debunked or have an axe to grind or a vested interest in an anti-vax agenda.

Dis credited by who ? , debunked by who ? Who owns the fact checkers , who runs the media ? Who has a vested interest in it all ? As i said two sides to every argument ....this is no different

I disagree. This is very different.

We're hopefully working our way out of a global pandemic, that's affected 160+ countries and 7.8 billion people.

We don't need crackpot loons running around with their frankly ridiculous, baseless and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories undoing the good work that's been done by so many.

A quick read through this thread alone shows the fecund stupidity behind so many of these "facts".

The deliberately pejorative miss-interpretation of detail is astounding.

The deniers, the liars, those whose "FACTS" place the gullible and ill-informed in harms way.

I'm astounded on a daily basis by some people's lack of education, basic knowledge and common sense.

Looking at both sides doesn't mean disregarding evidence.

I have looked at both sides. On one side we have the scientific consensus.

On the other side we have a lot of people who are widely and repeatedly discredited in this particular realm, no matter what they've done elsewhere.

Separate to this, we have political leaders.

Medicine isn’t ?? Is he a loon too ? Cause he can’t seem to express his opinion on the bbc you think he is a crackpot ? "

I haven't looked at the BBC since April last year. I do, in fact, do my own research. I don't give a shit who gets put on the television or not. I care about evidence, about credibility. I scrutinise all my sources.

The fact that I've come to a different conclusion to you doesn't mean I've dismissed the "other side" out of hand.

And yeah, Heneghan's a crackpot. McCullough is a crackpot. Mickovits is a crackpot

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc

The vast majority of whom have been disctedited/debunked or have an axe to grind or a vested interest in an anti-vax agenda.

Dis credited by who ? , debunked by who ? Who owns the fact checkers , who runs the media ? Who has a vested interest in it all ? As i said two sides to every argument ....this is no different

I disagree. This is very different.

We're hopefully working our way out of a global pandemic, that's affected 160+ countries and 7.8 billion people.

We don't need crackpot loons running around with their frankly ridiculous, baseless and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories undoing the good work that's been done by so many.

A quick read through this thread alone shows the fecund stupidity behind so many of these "facts".

The deliberately pejorative miss-interpretation of detail is astounding.

The deniers, the liars, those whose "FACTS" place the gullible and ill-informed in harms way.

I'm astounded on a daily basis by some people's lack of education, basic knowledge and common sense.

Looking at both sides doesn't mean disregarding evidence.

I have looked at both sides. On one side we have the scientific consensus.

On the other side we have a lot of people who are widely and repeatedly discredited in this particular realm, no matter what they've done elsewhere.

Separate to this, we have political leaders.

Medicine isn’t ?? Is he a loon too ? Cause he can’t seem to express his opinion on the bbc you think he is a crackpot ?

Current members of SAGE;

Sir Patrick Vallance, Chief Scientific Adviser (chair)

Professor Chris Whitty, Chief Medical Adviser

Medical and scientific experts;

Professor John Aston, statistician, Chief Scientific Adviser to the Home Office

Dr Meera Chand, microbiologist

Sir Ian Diamond, National Statistician

Professor John Edmunds, epidemiologist

Sir Jeremy Farrar, medical researcher

Professor Neil Ferguson, epidemiologist

Professor Peter Horby, epidemiologist

Professor Angela McLean, mathematical biologist

Professor Graham Medley, epidemiologist

Dr Edward Mullins, clinical adviser

Professor Sharon Peacock, microbiologist

Professor Stephen Powis, national medical director for England

Professor Andrew Rambaut, molecular biologist

Emma Reed, emergency planner

Professor Brooke Rogers, social psychologist

Dr James Rubin, psychologist

Professor Jonathan Van-Tam, influenza specialist, Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England

Professor Charlotte Watts, epidemiologist, Chief Scientific Advisor to the Department for International Development

Professor Maria Zambon, virologist

Plenty of experts in the field of virology in there by the looks.

Couldn’t agree more plenty indeed .....now dig deeper , who funds them ? Why for instance is neil ferguson still involved when his model that stated sweden would explode if it didn’t follow it hasn’t ? Why does vallance have shares in pharma ? Neutral ? Like you said you look at both sides so you have done this home work yes ??? Agreed in that list there will be people who should be listened too , and also there will be people with there own agenda and fingers in the till ....its has to be both ways , and im afraid after all this time and effort on there part most people who turned off there telly and radio in march last year or soon after , went outside and looked with there very own eyes realised something isn’t adding up , deep down even someone like yourself knows that ....but hey you do you we will do us ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not my business who has had what. I’m only concerned with my own body to be honest. What you do is up to you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If they won't meet anyone who is vaccinated, they're going to have a very small pool of potential meets..."

Who are more likely to catch Covid and die. There, I’ve said it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

dont see the problem they know what they want you know what you want as long as you look after you and do what you want with who you want then all is fine..

people can have there own opinion and rightly so... so if its not for you then use it as a filter ... i do what i want popular or not ..

if anyone wants to know i had both my jabs before the end of jan 2021 had mine in the first wave of jabs but im not going to waste my breath moaning about others and what they do ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I haven’t had either (I suffer from anaphylactic shock), I’d be interested to know if those who refuse to meet those who are unvaccinated would turn down those who are advised not to have the jab.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I haven’t had either (I suffer from anaphylactic shock), I’d be interested to know if those who refuse to meet those who are unvaccinated would turn down those who are advised not to have the jab."

I think medical exemption from vaccination is a separate category, myself.

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By *olymalelincsMan over a year ago

southend

I think medical exemption from vaccination is a separate category, myself. "

Same here medical exemption from being vaccinated is very different I think personally.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think medical exemption from vaccination is a separate category, myself. "

And I agree but then that means that the reason that folks won’t meet unvaccinated people is not to protect themselves regarding the unvaccinated potentially being able to pass on the virus more easily but that you just don’t like that they haven’t made the same choice as you with regards to their own body autonomy. (You as in a collective not you personally). I think that’s what I’m trying to get at.

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc

The vast majority of whom have been disctedited/debunked or have an axe to grind or a vested interest in an anti-vax agenda.

Dis credited by who ? , debunked by who ? Who owns the fact checkers , who runs the media ? Who has a vested interest in it all ? As i said two sides to every argument ....this is no different

I disagree. This is very different.

We're hopefully working our way out of a global pandemic, that's affected 160+ countries and 7.8 billion people.

We don't need crackpot loons running around with their frankly ridiculous, baseless and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories undoing the good work that's been done by so many.

A quick read through this thread alone shows the fecund stupidity behind so many of these "facts".

The deliberately pejorative miss-interpretation of detail is astounding.

The deniers, the liars, those whose "FACTS" place the gullible and ill-informed in harms way.

I'm astounded on a daily basis by some people's lack of education, basic knowledge and common sense.

Looking at both sides doesn't mean disregarding evidence.

I have looked at both sides. On one side we have the scientific consensus.

On the other side we have a lot of people who are widely and repeatedly discredited in this particular realm, no matter what they've done elsewhere.

Separate to this, we have political leaders.

Medicine isn’t ?? Is he a loon too ? Cause he can’t seem to express his opinion on the bbc you think he is a crackpot ?

Current members of SAGE;

Sir Patrick Vallance, Chief Scientific Adviser (chair)

Professor Chris Whitty, Chief Medical Adviser

Medical and scientific experts;

Professor John Aston, statistician, Chief Scientific Adviser to the Home Office

Dr Meera Chand, microbiologist

Sir Ian Diamond, National Statistician

Professor John Edmunds, epidemiologist

Sir Jeremy Farrar, medical researcher

Professor Neil Ferguson, epidemiologist

Professor Peter Horby, epidemiologist

Professor Angela McLean, mathematical biologist

Professor Graham Medley, epidemiologist

Dr Edward Mullins, clinical adviser

Professor Sharon Peacock, microbiologist

Professor Stephen Powis, national medical director for England

Professor Andrew Rambaut, molecular biologist

Emma Reed, emergency planner

Professor Brooke Rogers, social psychologist

Dr James Rubin, psychologist

Professor Jonathan Van-Tam, influenza specialist, Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England

Professor Charlotte Watts, epidemiologist, Chief Scientific Advisor to the Department for International Development

Professor Maria Zambon, virologist

Plenty of experts in the field of virology in there by the looks.

You just said SAGE has no virologists on board, your suggestion appeared to say SAGE had no experts in this field. Now you're accepting there are experts, but they've all got their fingers in the till. Goalposts moved.

If you have private or company pensions I'm willing to be you have shared in big bad pharma too.

Shares doesn't neccesarily mean bad or corrupt. (In some cases it can do of course)

The members of SAGE are appointed by Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Chris Whitty. They are not government appointment, they are not members of parliament, SAGE is not a political "wing".

None of the current SAGE members have been discredited or debunked. Ergo, I'll take my advice from them.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I think medical exemption from vaccination is a separate category, myself.

We all make choices for whatever reason. Those reasons are generally regarded as being beyond criticism, on here. I'm not sure why this is different.

On a societal level, vaccination protects not only the individual, but also those who can't be vaccinated, and those for whom the vaccination was less effective. I see herd immunity as standing to create a human shield around people who need it.

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

I think medical exemption from vaccination is a separate category, myself.

Same here medical exemption from being vaccinated is very different I think personally."

Ditto. There's a massive difference between a medical exemption and "oooh, nano chips, big pharma bad, scamdemic"

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc

The vast majority of whom have been disctedited/debunked or have an axe to grind or a vested interest in an anti-vax agenda.

Dis credited by who ? , debunked by who ? Who owns the fact checkers , who runs the media ? Who has a vested interest in it all ? As i said two sides to every argument ....this is no different

I disagree. This is very different.

We're hopefully working our way out of a global pandemic, that's affected 160+ countries and 7.8 billion people.

We don't need crackpot loons running around with their frankly ridiculous, baseless and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories undoing the good work that's been done by so many.

A quick read through this thread alone shows the fecund stupidity behind so many of these "facts".

The deliberately pejorative miss-interpretation of detail is astounding.

The deniers, the liars, those whose "FACTS" place the gullible and ill-informed in harms way.

I'm astounded on a daily basis by some people's lack of education, basic knowledge and common sense.

Looking at both sides doesn't mean disregarding evidence.

I have looked at both sides. On one side we have the scientific consensus.

On the other side we have a lot of people who are widely and repeatedly discredited in this particular realm, no matter what they've done elsewhere.

Separate to this, we have political leaders.

Medicine isn’t ?? Is he a loon too ? Cause he can’t seem to express his opinion on the bbc you think he is a crackpot ?

Current members of SAGE;

Sir Patrick Vallance, Chief Scientific Adviser (chair)

Professor Chris Whitty, Chief Medical Adviser

Medical and scientific experts;

Professor John Aston, statistician, Chief Scientific Adviser to the Home Office

Dr Meera Chand, microbiologist

Sir Ian Diamond, National Statistician

Professor John Edmunds, epidemiologist

Sir Jeremy Farrar, medical researcher

Professor Neil Ferguson, epidemiologist

Professor Peter Horby, epidemiologist

Professor Angela McLean, mathematical biologist

Professor Graham Medley, epidemiologist

Dr Edward Mullins, clinical adviser

Professor Sharon Peacock, microbiologist

Professor Stephen Powis, national medical director for England

Professor Andrew Rambaut, molecular biologist

Emma Reed, emergency planner

Professor Brooke Rogers, social psychologist

Dr James Rubin, psychologist

Professor Jonathan Van-Tam, influenza specialist, Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England

Professor Charlotte Watts, epidemiologist, Chief Scientific Advisor to the Department for International Development

Professor Maria Zambon, virologist

Plenty of experts in the field of virology in there by the looks.

If you have private or company pensions I'm willing to be you have shared in big bad pharma too.

Shares doesn't neccesarily mean bad or corrupt. (In some cases it can do of course)

The members of SAGE are appointed by Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Chris Whitty. They are not government appointment, they are not members of parliament, SAGE is not a political "wing".

None of the current SAGE members have been discredited or debunked. Ergo, I'll take my advice from them.

I don't take my advice from SAGE, the government, or the media, and somehow we're lumped together

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple over a year ago

Coventry

Each to their own. That's why vacine is not mandatory (in most respects). I suspect it'll hugely diminish the opportunity they have on here as well as their ability to receive great 5G.

It would be intresting to see if their profile say such things in 6 months time?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think medical exemption from vaccination is a separate category, myself.

We all make choices for whatever reason. Those reasons are generally regarded as being beyond criticism, on here. I'm not sure why this is different.

And I agree. I don’t care what choices others make and nor should they have to explain themselves but....

I’ve had more than one guy tell me in conversation that they won’t meet unvaxxed people due to concerns about increased transmission risks etc etc then change their mind when I tell them that I haven’t had the vaccine.

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

as everything two sides to everything .....and its just three weeks etc

The vast majority of whom have been disctedited/debunked or have an axe to grind or a vested interest in an anti-vax agenda.

Dis credited by who ? , debunked by who ? Who owns the fact checkers , who runs the media ? Who has a vested interest in it all ? As i said two sides to every argument ....this is no different

I disagree. This is very different.

We're hopefully working our way out of a global pandemic, that's affected 160+ countries and 7.8 billion people.

We don't need crackpot loons running around with their frankly ridiculous, baseless and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories undoing the good work that's been done by so many.

A quick read through this thread alone shows the fecund stupidity behind so many of these "facts".

The deliberately pejorative miss-interpretation of detail is astounding.

The deniers, the liars, those whose "FACTS" place the gullible and ill-informed in harms way.

I'm astounded on a daily basis by some people's lack of education, basic knowledge and common sense.

Looking at both sides doesn't mean disregarding evidence.

I have looked at both sides. On one side we have the scientific consensus.

On the other side we have a lot of people who are widely and repeatedly discredited in this particular realm, no matter what they've done elsewhere.

Separate to this, we have political leaders.

Medicine isn’t ?? Is he a loon too ? Cause he can’t seem to express his opinion on the bbc you think he is a crackpot ?

Current members of SAGE;

Sir Patrick Vallance, Chief Scientific Adviser (chair)

Professor Chris Whitty, Chief Medical Adviser

Medical and scientific experts;

Professor John Aston, statistician, Chief Scientific Adviser to the Home Office

Dr Meera Chand, microbiologist

Sir Ian Diamond, National Statistician

Professor John Edmunds, epidemiologist

Sir Jeremy Farrar, medical researcher

Professor Neil Ferguson, epidemiologist

Professor Peter Horby, epidemiologist

Professor Angela McLean, mathematical biologist

Professor Graham Medley, epidemiologist

Dr Edward Mullins, clinical adviser

Professor Sharon Peacock, microbiologist

Professor Stephen Powis, national medical director for England

Professor Andrew Rambaut, molecular biologist

Emma Reed, emergency planner

Professor Brooke Rogers, social psychologist

Dr James Rubin, psychologist

Professor Jonathan Van-Tam, influenza specialist, Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England

Professor Charlotte Watts, epidemiologist, Chief Scientific Advisor to the Department for International Development

Professor Maria Zambon, virologist

Plenty of experts in the field of virology in there by the looks.

If you have private or company pensions I'm willing to be you have shared in big bad pharma too.

Shares doesn't neccesarily mean bad or corrupt. (In some cases it can do of course)

The members of SAGE are appointed by Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Chris Whitty. They are not government appointment, they are not members of parliament, SAGE is not a political "wing".

None of the current SAGE members have been discredited or debunked. Ergo, I'll take my advice from them.

I don't take my advice from SAGE, the government, or the media, and somehow we're lumped together

I meant from SAGE as opposed to spotty Neville from Milton Keynes, who posts tin hat twaddle on YouTube from a room above his mums garage.

Yrs, I look at SAGE. I'll also look at the credible sources from within the scientific community.

But definitely not debunked or discredited "experts"

It does make me chuckle when an individual with no credibility is hailed an expert, but when he's shown to have zero credibility or authority, it's because there's a conspiracy against him.

Er, no, it's because he has zero credibility or authority.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I think medical exemption from vaccination is a separate category, myself.

We all make choices for whatever reason. Those reasons are generally regarded as being beyond criticism, on here. I'm not sure why this is different.

And I agree. I don’t care what choices others make and nor should they have to explain themselves but....

Yeah, it's a bit like "I won't meet smokers except you", which I gather is common. (I won't meet smokers because it makes me ill, and people get upset that I don't say "well you're an exception". When I say it I mean it!)

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

" Do the non vaxxers get jabs for all the other ailments that can seriously damage your health or is it just covid ones they avoid ?

Surely that depends if they are actually anti vaxxers or just wary of this one, no?

If the internet was around when penicillin was first used it would have had anti vaxxers saying the same sort of stuff about it.

So many people now have no awareness of how their lives have been changed by the inventions of vaccines and antibiotics. As you mention, the first penicillin patient was being treated because of an infection caused by pricking his finger in the garden! This was not an unusual case, without antibiotics to quickly clear infections, almost any minor injury could very easily be a death sentence.

Vaccines and antibiotics make it the case that in this country childhood deaths are now relatively infrequent events. Without these drugs we would see a rapid return to the mortality rates of early last century, where losing a child was very much just a thing that happened, and a small cut on the hand might easily lead to the need for amputation and then death anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think medical exemption from vaccination is a separate category, myself.

We all make choices for whatever reason. Those reasons are generally regarded as being beyond criticism, on here. I'm not sure why this is different.

And I agree. I don’t care what choices others make and nor should they have to explain themselves but....

Exactly the same!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Seen it on a dating app.

Not interested in anyone vaccinated as you're clearly not man enough.

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By *olymalelincsMan over a year ago

southend

I think medical exemption from vaccination is a separate category, myself.

for me it's more that the whole anti Vax mindset doesn't sit well with me so would see that as an incompatibility with my own mindset, then there are those that are not anti any other vaccine but are just refusing to have this one because "the man" doesn't control them and they dont need it because they are fit and healthy, I care for a family member on the extremely vulnerable list and choose to have the vaccine firstly to protect her not myself, and it just doesn't sit well with me from a values point of view that they have no consideration for others when making the choice not to have the vaccine, its a somewhat selfish mindset in my opinion as sadly to an extent the current world wide health crisis isn't just about them its about everyone including those at high risk and those like yourself that can be vaccinated for medical reasons, if as many people as possible are vaccinated it not only protects those vaccinated but also those that can't be by reducing the chance of them being exposed to the virus.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

I think medical exemption from vaccination is a separate category, myself.

My issue is with those people who have little to no understanding of the tripe they are shouting about, they do not share my values of how I believe being a member of society means protecting those that are vulnerable, contributing to the safety of society as a whole, instead of just looking at my own safety.

That's why I'm so against people that CHOOSE not to have the vaccine because of silly conspiracy theories and nonsense they've read from some complete nutcase online.

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By *e Platypuss de ErotiqueMan over a year ago

Bristol

I know but their prerogative x

My worry is are they the same sort of people that wouldn't get regularly tested for Sti's aswell?"

Exactly my thoughts. My block list is growing by the day.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

I know but their prerogative x

My worry is are they the same sort of people that wouldn't get regularly tested for Sti's aswell?

Exactly my thoughts. My block list is growing by the day."

How on earth do u come to that conclusion???

the 2 things are not comparable??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just seen this on a profile, and it's a first for me. Anyone else spotted this on a profile? There was also something about shedding harmful spike proteins.

XX"

Oh I misread hahaha mine doesn't say that says I wnt meet unvaccinated

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By *eptimiusMan over a year ago

East

Not one of you who has had this injection has any clue to what future effects maybe. For the record for those calling it a vaccine its not. Vaccines offer immunity this doesnt. What makese laugh is how some of these people whom have had it suddenly feel motally superior. #natutalselection

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know but their prerogative x

My worry is are they the same sort of people that wouldn't get regularly tested for Sti's aswell?

Exactly my thoughts. My block list is growing by the day.

How on earth do u come to that conclusion???

the 2 things are not comparable??"

They aren’t compatible at all.

My best friend for example is the most anti covid vaccine person I know. She and her children are all fully vaccinated and she is at the clinic being tested for std’s after every new partner. Of course this is just one anecdotal example but I don’t believe the two can be compared.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Not one of you who has had this injection has any clue to what future effects maybe. For the record for those calling it a vaccine its not. Vaccines offer immunity this doesnt. What makese laugh is how some of these people whom have had it suddenly feel motally superior. #natutalselection "

I know right! Like they mother superior! With their I did it for the good of all!

pmsl! X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Absolute dreadful nonsense. Did you get you immunology PhD from the University of YouTube?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well im happy to take my chances. I feel I may have a better chance with it than without it. So good luck with your choice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know right! Like they mother superior! With their I did it for the good of all!

pmsl! X"

No did it for me and my conscience. Hope you and yours stay safe

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By *e Platypuss de ErotiqueMan over a year ago

Bristol

Well im happy to take my chances. I feel I may have a better chance with it than without it. So good luck with your choice"

Agreed!

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

I know right! Like they mother superior! With their I did it for the good of all!

pmsl! X

No did it for me and my conscience. Hope you and yours stay safe "

I did it cos I was talked into it nothing more nothing less!

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By *e Platypuss de ErotiqueMan over a year ago

Bristol

I know right! Like they mother superior! With their I did it for the good of all!

pmsl! X

No did it for me and my conscience. Hope you and yours stay safe "

Couldn't put it better myself.

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By *ornLordMan over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

I thought they'd stopped doing lobotomies during the pandemic. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I respectfully disagree with you and I simply consider the personal risk to me greater when not vaccinated. This is based on a number of considerations which I won't go into publicly.

That said, there is a growing number of people, not just in the UK but certainly in other European countries such as France and Germany who are refusing the vaccine on similar grounds.

Calling these doubters names, referring to them as idiots is disrespectful and unhelpful in the overall debate.

For me, the journey has been one of initially not wanting the vaccine, then deciding for it based on considerations referred to above, to now having a few doubts ... so everybody is entitled to an opinion and hopefully this will eventually lead to better understanding.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know right! Like they mother superior! With their I did it for the good of all!

pmsl! X

No did it for me and my conscience. Hope you and yours stay safe

I did it cos I was talked into it nothing more nothing less!

I see. A sub. OK. Fair enough. Health+ Family= sensible decision. Don't think its something someone can talk you into

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I know right! Like they mother superior! With their I did it for the good of all!

pmsl! X

No did it for me and my conscience. Hope you and yours stay safe

I did it cos I was talked into it nothing more nothing less!

I can understand that completely - if you hear arguments for and against, at some point and to some degree many of us would have done just that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know right! Like they mother superior! With their I did it for the good of all!

pmsl! X

No did it for me and my conscience. Hope you and yours stay safe

I did it cos I was talked into it nothing more nothing less!

I can understand that completely - if you hear arguments for and against, at some point and to some degree many of us would have done just that.

I disagree. If you dnt want it. You dnt want it and if you were sure . No one could change your mind.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I know right! Like they mother superior! With their I did it for the good of all!

pmsl! X

No did it for me and my conscience. Hope you and yours stay safe

I did it cos I was talked into it nothing more nothing less!

I can understand that completely - if you hear arguments for and against, at some point and to some degree many of us would have done just that.

I disagree. If you dnt want it. You dnt want it and if you were sure . No one could change your mind."

Let's rephrase that : Nobody can change YOUR mind perhaps - other people are different. I tend to listen to others before I make up my mind and sometimes that can look like I am being talked into it.

Also, if a decision favours my family, I would be "talked into " that without considering myself necessarily.

Not everybody is the same, people arrive at decisions in different ways and why should anybody judge them for it?

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

I think there are many people out there who don't understand what vaccines do, how they work or their benefits, let alone that we've been successfully vaccinating people for hundreds of years.

I also think they dont know enough about the C19 vaccine or how, why or what it protects us from.

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By *eptimiusMan over a year ago

East

What is nonsense about it?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

I know right! Like they mother superior! With their I did it for the good of all!

pmsl! X

No did it for me and my conscience. Hope you and yours stay safe

I did it cos I was talked into it nothing more nothing less!

I see. A sub. OK. Fair enough. Health+ Family= sensible decision. Don't think its something someone can talk you into

I'm no sub! And yes family talked me into it mainly my 2 granddaughters 25 and 27 whom I love dearly! They lost their paternal grandparents to covid 2 days apart at xmas! It swayed it for me so could say I did it for others not me spose!

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By *ownwithafeatherMan over a year ago

Watford

It's the anti waxers that worry me.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

I know right! Like they mother superior! With their I did it for the good of all!

pmsl! X

No did it for me and my conscience. Hope you and yours stay safe

I did it cos I was talked into it nothing more nothing less!

I can understand that completely - if you hear arguments for and against, at some point and to some degree many of us would have done just that.

I disagree. If you dnt want it. You dnt want it and if you were sure . No one could change your mind."

U wrong there! X

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Fortunately I take my advice from people with relevant qualifications and expertise, not from Fab.

I do like the insinuation we're all going to drop dead or be crippled or something... at some point in the future.

I'm quite happy with my choice.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

I know right! Like they mother superior! With their I did it for the good of all!

pmsl! X

No did it for me and my conscience. Hope you and yours stay safe

I did it cos I was talked into it nothing more nothing less!

I see. A sub. OK. Fair enough. Health+ Family= sensible decision. Don't think its something someone can talk you into

I imagine they didn't want to lose you to Covid either, and irrespective of how healthy you might feel or appear, the fact is that people over 50 are at increased risk of dying from Covid. I know of outwardly fit and healthy people who succumbed to Covid - you'd never have thought them to be vulnerable prior to them getting the infection. One was a regular 10k runner and did the odd marathon, for example.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

Fortunately I take my advice from people with relevant qualifications and expertise, not from Fab.

I do like the insinuation we're all going to drop dead or be crippled or something... at some point in the future.

I'm quite happy with my choice."

We are all going to drop dead or be crippled or something at some point in the future! In my case I reckon maybe 40 years at the most?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Fortunately I take my advice from people with relevant qualifications and expertise, not from Fab.

I do like the insinuation we're all going to drop dead or be crippled or something... at some point in the future.

I'm quite happy with my choice.

We are all going to drop dead or be crippled or something at some point in the future! In my case I reckon maybe 40 years at the most?"

Yeah but that's true Covid or not Covid, vaccine or no vaccine. The insinuation is that the vaccine is going to fuck us up.

Evidence, please

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By *rank speakerMan over a year ago

Worcester

I know but their prerogative x"

What an absolute loser. He's clearly going to miss out on an awful lot(probably a timewaster anyway, methinks?)

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

People can have an opinion based on whatever they believe in - whether I share that opinion or not - it does not give me the right to call them names.

Why can people not accept other views without resorting to insults?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's the anti waxers that worry me."

I'm definitely anti waxer. No waxing for me

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"People can have an opinion based on whatever they believe in - whether I share that opinion or not - it does not give me the right to call them names.

Why can people not accept other views without resorting to insults? "

I allways find u a very considerate poster on the forums! The voice of reason!

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By *e Platypuss de ErotiqueMan over a year ago

Bristol

"People can have an opinion based on whatever they believe in - whether I share that opinion or not - it does not give me the right to call them names.

Why can people not accept other views without resorting to insults? "

Finally the voice of reason. Maximum respect Maam!

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"It's the anti waxers that worry me.

I'm definitely anti waxer. No waxing for me"

Ditto, especially on the old lady garden

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"It's the anti waxers that worry me.

I'm definitely anti waxer. No waxing for me"

Waxing is okay, but mainly i go epilator (though def not round the more delicate bits!).

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It's interesting, actually, this thread did start out quite civilly. It was only when it was turned to "won't meet the unvaccinated", which wasn't the topic, that it seemed to get all Thunderdome in here.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"It's the anti waxers that worry me.

I'm definitely anti waxer. No waxing for me

Waxing is okay, but mainly i go epilator (though def not round the more delicate bits!)."

I always find that I get alot of ingrown hairs with an epilator.

I do have one of those IPL lasers, it works but you really have to keep on top of it.

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