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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens. "You know they will citicise | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens. "Great thread. Be easier to block everyone. Thank you | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens. "Out of curiosity why would you choose not to get vaccinated? | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Out of curiosity why would you choose not to get vaccinated?"Don't know. Ask someone who has refused it ? | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Out of curiosity why would you choose not to get vaccinated?"its been refused by a lot of people because its an mrna jab and not like a normal vaccine its new and not well tested also alot of people dont have and wont take medication even paracetamol so wont get injected | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Out of curiosity why would you choose not to get vaccinated?
its been refused by a lot of people because its an mrna jab and not like a normal vaccine its new and not well tested also alot of people dont have and wont take medication even paracetamol so wont get injected "Only Pfizer and Moderna are RNA the Oxford and J&J are Viral Vector vaccines. | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Great thread. Be easier to block everyone. Thank you"Cures don't kill people..Cures don't injure people..Cures don't segragete people..Cures don't need bride's...Cure's don't need liability clauses and get out off jail card's...Cure's don't need PR campaigns....Cure's don't need censorship by tech companies....so feel free to block people who can think for themselves. | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Out of curiosity why would you choose not to get vaccinated?
its been refused by a lot of people because its an mrna jab and not like a normal vaccine its new and not well tested also alot of people dont have and wont take medication even paracetamol so wont get injected "The vaccine is well tested the only reason medicines and vaccines take years to come to market is because they have to apply for funding after every phase, the government basically handed over a blank cheque and said give us a bill at the end, so it was easy to add more scientists and resources, more man hours so it could be used a lot quicker it has passed all the tests every other vaccine has, so is as safe as any other, whether or not you decide to use it should be up to you though. | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Out of curiosity why would you choose not to get vaccinated?
its been refused by a lot of people because its an mrna jab and not like a normal vaccine its new and not well tested also alot of people dont have and wont take medication even paracetamol so wont get injected
The vaccine is well tested the only reason medicines and vaccines take years to come to market is because they have to apply for funding after every phase, the government basically handed over a blank cheque and said give us a bill at the end, so it was easy to add more scientists and resources, more man hours so it could be used a lot quicker it has passed all the tests every other vaccine has, so is as safe as any other, whether or not you decide to use it should be up to you though."It's amazing what unlimited funding and cooperation can achieve when the need is there. | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Out of curiosity why would you choose not to get vaccinated?
its been refused by a lot of people because its an mrna jab and not like a normal vaccine its new and not well tested also alot of people dont have and wont take medication even paracetamol so wont get injected
The vaccine is well tested the only reason medicines and vaccines take years to come to market is because they have to apply for funding after every phase, the government basically handed over a blank cheque and said give us a bill at the end, so it was easy to add more scientists and resources, more man hours so it could be used a lot quicker it has passed all the tests every other vaccine has, so is as safe as any other, whether or not you decide to use it should be up to you though."So government (public) money payed for the creation of the vaccine? then pharmaceutical companies swoop in and sell it back to the public? Sounds like a cracking deal that. | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Great thread. Be easier to block everyone. Thank youCures don't kill people..Cures don't injure people..Cures don't segragete people..Cures don't need bride's...Cure's don't need liability clauses and get out off jail card's...Cure's don't need PR campaigns....Cure's don't need censorship by tech companies....so feel free to block people who can think for themselves."freedom of choice i believe is the best way | |||
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"The NHS doesn't recognise I've been vaccinated. Does that count?
(They are a little persistent )"sorry swing I am afraid you will forever be an anomaly doomed to NHS harassment | |||
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"The NHS doesn't recognise I've been vaccinated. Does that count?
(They are a little persistent )
sorry swing I am afraid you will forever be an anomaly doomed to NHS harassment " | |||
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"You’ll be on a register for anyone to buy if you don’t opt out of the Nhs personal details sell off. Why is it they’re allowed to do that? Shouldn’t we be asked to opt in if we wish? " Didn't you start a thread about this subject already? | |||
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"You’ll be on a register for anyone to buy if you don’t opt out of the Nhs personal details sell off. Why is it they’re allowed to do that? Shouldn’t we be asked to opt in if we wish? " Information at digital.nhs.uk Hth  | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Great thread. Be easier to block everyone. Thank youCures don't kill people..Cures don't injure people..Cures don't segragete people..Cures don't need bride's...Cure's don't need liability clauses and get out off jail card's...Cure's don't need PR campaigns....Cure's don't need censorship by tech companies....so feel free to block people who can think for themselves."Think for themselves? Your entire post is nonsense people spout on facebook, it gets shared to other people who have no common sense and it continues. Those are the people that can't think for themselves. | |||
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"You’ll be on a register for anyone to buy if you don’t opt out of the Nhs personal details sell off. Why is it they’re allowed to do that? Shouldn’t we be asked to opt in if we wish? Information at digital.nhs.uk Hth "apologies to the other fella it was you lol, you guys working together on this one? | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Great thread. Be easier to block everyone. Thank youCures don't kill people..Cures don't injure people..Cures don't segragete people..Cures don't need bride's...Cure's don't need liability clauses and get out off jail card's...Cure's don't need PR campaigns....Cure's don't need censorship by tech companies....so feel free to block people who can think for themselves."Taking the advice of qualified professionals doesn’t equate to a lack of free thought, just like taking a contrarian view isn’t evidence of sagely wisdom. | |||
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"I'm not having the vaccine because - how best to summarize, I have listened to all the news articles, all the opinions, all the facts and figures but basically at the end of the day in not having the vaccine : Because I don't bloody want to and its my choice. Everyone who has any comment on my decision can go screw themselves, you do what you want and so will I. " Well said  | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Great thread. Be easier to block everyone. Thank youCures don't kill people..Cures don't injure people..Cures don't segragete people..Cures don't need bride's...Cure's don't need liability clauses and get out off jail card's...Cure's don't need PR campaigns....Cure's don't need censorship by tech companies....so feel free to block people who can think for themselves."Oops and another thank you . BLOCK LIST JUST GOT LONGER. I MAKE MY OWN DECISIONS IN LIFE. | |||
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"I'm not having the vaccine because - how best to summarize, I have listened to all the news articles, all the opinions, all the facts and figures but basically at the end of the day in not having the vaccine : Because I don't bloody want to and its my choice. Everyone who has any comment on my decision can go screw themselves, you do what you want and so will I. " You be the one screwing yourself cos no one else will hahaha | |||
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"I'm not having the vaccine because - how best to summarize, I have listened to all the news articles, all the opinions, all the facts and figures but basically at the end of the day in not having the vaccine : Because I don't bloody want to and its my choice. Everyone who has any comment on my decision can go screw themselves, you do what you want and so will I. " Hi hope you don’t mind me asking. Do you not want it because people are asking you to have it? Or do you not want it because you’re worried about something? I guess I just want to understand your rationale. | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people "Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people. | |||
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"One of my friends on here says he's not getting the vaccination. He got his first letter a few weeks ago but he didn't go. His reason is that he wants to know a bit more about the data of it first. I know I can't force him to get the jab but if he doesn't change his mind then I may not ever meet him again as I'm vaccinated and waiting on my second. I know people have their reasons for not wanting vaccinated but it will actually go against them in the long run, many people will not want to meet them too x" This is some crazy logic! If you have had the vaccine are you not protected? | |||
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"I'm not having the vaccine because - how best to summarize, I have listened to all the news articles, all the opinions, all the facts and figures but basically at the end of the day in not having the vaccine : Because I don't bloody want to and its my choice. Everyone who has any comment on my decision can go screw themselves, you do what you want and so will I. " Ah but that is exactly where you are going to become stuck by being belligerent ..because people will do what they want on both sides ..and eventually you probably won't like what that becomes or even want it..but you won't be able to ignore it because it is coming . | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people "We have both had 2 jabs but neither of us are judgemental of anybody that has for whatever reason not had the jab. | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
"Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so. | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people "seems a little childish .However, it was also childish on the converse of that too. I think statistically in the UK there will be less than 25% of the population who aren't or can't be vaccinated..so not as many as you might be thinking | |||
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"I'm not having the vaccine because - how best to summarize, I have listened to all the news articles, all the opinions, all the facts and figures but basically at the end of the day in not having the vaccine : Because I don't bloody want to and its my choice. Everyone who has any comment on my decision can go screw themselves, you do what you want and so will I. " But on what rational grounds have you based your decision ? | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so."Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
If you believe the government figures ..
seems a little childish .However, it was also childish on the converse of that too.
I think statistically in the UK there will be less than 25% of the population who aren't or can't be vaccinated..so not as many as you might be thinking " | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me"Choice, that's the one word that is relevant. Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so. | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
seems a little childish .However, it was also childish on the converse of that too.
I think statistically in the UK there will be less than 25% of the population who aren't or can't be vaccinated..so not as many as you might be thinking "Then take into account that of the 25% those that cant be vaccinated probably won't want to take the risk of meeting unvaccinated people when they could meet one of the majority that are vaccinated that percentage is going to get even smaller  . Atleast being vaccinated we are 40%-60% less likely to be able to spread the virus (yes this is scientifically proven) | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so. "So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you. | |||
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"One of my friends on here says he's not getting the vaccination. He got his first letter a few weeks ago but he didn't go. His reason is that he wants to know a bit more about the data of it first. I know I can't force him to get the jab but if he doesn't change his mind then I may not ever meet him again as I'm vaccinated and waiting on my second. I know people have their reasons for not wanting vaccinated but it will actually go against them in the long run, many people will not want to meet them too x" Maybe he’s happy with his decision and your added judgement is unimportant to him? Maybe he isn’t losing out? | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you. "That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work. | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me"simple those that can't be vaccinated don't have a choice and as far as I am concerned personaly those that choose not to do not have the ethics or personality that matches mine so therefore are not compatible with me. | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you.
That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work. "Oh they work so they so Whitty said tonight 2 jabs doesn’t guarantee you won’t die from it ... get real | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you.
That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work.
Oh they work so they so Whitty said tonight 2 jabs doesn’t guarantee you won’t die from it ... get real "There are no guarantees from any vaccine that you definitely won't die from the illness it's for. It makes my chances of survival alot more likely, it's also means I'm far less likely to pass it onto someone who is more at risk than myself. It's called giving a shit about others. | |||
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"One of my friends on here says he's not getting the vaccination. He got his first letter a few weeks ago but he didn't go. His reason is that he wants to know a bit more about the data of it first. I know I can't force him to get the jab but if he doesn't change his mind then I may not ever meet him again as I'm vaccinated and waiting on my second. I know people have their reasons for not wanting vaccinated but it will actually go against them in the long run, many people will not want to meet them too x Maybe he’s happy with his decision and your added judgement is unimportant to him? Maybe he isn’t losing out? " Actually no, he asked for my opinion and he doesn't want to not see me again. He's just scared and that's understandable x | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you.
That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work. "That's the point - it is totally your opinion that the facts figures and ever changing science is correct. It is my opinion not to believe everything I hear, just as well as it is always changing and decide for myself in my own time. I would never damn someone for a choice they make for whatever reason, I am not a dictator and don't have the right to go this - nor does anyone else by the way  | |||
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"Because I don't bloody want to and its my choice. Everyone who has any comment on my decision can go screw themselves, you do what you want and so will I. " Any more of that and you’re banned from cartoons and your Lego for the rest of the week….. | |||
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"One of my friends on here says he's not getting the vaccination. He got his first letter a few weeks ago but he didn't go. His reason is that he wants to know a bit more about the data of it first. I know I can't force him to get the jab but if he doesn't change his mind then I may not ever meet him again as I'm vaccinated and waiting on my second. I know people have their reasons for not wanting vaccinated but it will actually go against them in the long run, many people will not want to meet them too x This is some crazy logic! If you have had the vaccine are you not protected?" I know and I've explained to him that getting the two vaccinations means there is an element of protection x | |||
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"Because I don't bloody want to and its my choice. Everyone who has any comment on my decision can go screw themselves, you do what you want and so will I. Any more of that and you’re banned from cartoons and your Lego for the rest of the week….." Sums up the attitude of people who feel they have the right to decide for everyone else ???????? | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you.
That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work.
Oh they work so they so Whitty said tonight 2 jabs doesn’t guarantee you won’t die from it ... get real
There are no guarantees from any vaccine that you definitely won't die from the illness it's for.
It makes my chances of survival alot more likely, it's also means I'm far less likely to pass it onto someone who is more at risk than myself. It's called giving a shit about others. "I give a shit about me ..... and my disabled son that I look after so when I die from complications from a jab are you gonna look after him then ... no thought not so shove your jab I have an immune system that works perfectly .... | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you.
That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work.
That's the point - it is totally your opinion that the facts figures and ever changing science is correct. It is my opinion not to believe everything I hear, just as well as it is always changing and decide for myself in my own time.
I would never damn someone for a choice they make for whatever reason, I am not a dictator and don't have the right to go this - nor does anyone else by the way "The proof is in the fact that less vaccinated people are being hospitalised, that's cold, hard proof that the vaccines work. Just because you choose not to believe it, it doesn't mean it isn't true. | |||
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(They are a little persistent )"You need to get those two jabs as soon as possible, will give you double protection | |||
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"One of my friends on here says he's not getting the vaccination. He got his first letter a few weeks ago but he didn't go. His reason is that he wants to know a bit more about the data of it first. I know I can't force him to get the jab but if he doesn't change his mind then I may not ever meet him again as I'm vaccinated and waiting on my second. I know people have their reasons for not wanting vaccinated but it will actually go against them in the long run, many people will not want to meet them too x Maybe he’s happy with his decision and your added judgement is unimportant to him? Maybe he isn’t losing out? Actually no, he asked for my opinion and he doesn't want to not see me again. He's just scared and that's understandable x" It’s understandable…. Why? | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you.
That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work.
That's the point - it is totally your opinion that the facts figures and ever changing science is correct. It is my opinion not to believe everything I hear, just as well as it is always changing and decide for myself in my own time.
I would never damn someone for a choice they make for whatever reason, I am not a dictator and don't have the right to go this - nor does anyone else by the way
The proof is in the fact that less vaccinated people are being hospitalised, that's cold, hard proof that the vaccines work. Just because you choose not to believe it, it doesn't mean it isn't true."So why on earth are people who are vaccinated to bothered about people who choose not to, it's my risk not yours but vaccinated people get on such a high horse. You are safe (apparently) don't worry about those that choose not to. | |||
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"One of my friends on here says he's not getting the vaccination. He got his first letter a few weeks ago but he didn't go. His reason is that he wants to know a bit more about the data of it first. I know I can't force him to get the jab but if he doesn't change his mind then I may not ever meet him again as I'm vaccinated and waiting on my second. I know people have their reasons for not wanting vaccinated but it will actually go against them in the long run, many people will not want to meet them too x Maybe he’s happy with his decision and your added judgement is unimportant to him? Maybe he isn’t losing out? Actually no, he asked for my opinion and he doesn't want to not see me again. He's just scared and that's understandable x It’s understandable…. Why? " With him and I guess for others too, it's the fear. We may have some protection but it doesn't actually stop us from catching the virus. I think he just wants to take his chances but that's just as risky x | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you.
That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work.
That's the point - it is totally your opinion that the facts figures and ever changing science is correct. It is my opinion not to believe everything I hear, just as well as it is always changing and decide for myself in my own time.
I would never damn someone for a choice they make for whatever reason, I am not a dictator and don't have the right to go this - nor does anyone else by the way
The proof is in the fact that less vaccinated people are being hospitalised, that's cold, hard proof that the vaccines work. Just because you choose not to believe it, it doesn't mean it isn't true.
So why on earth are people who are vaccinated to bothered about people who choose not to, it's my risk not yours but vaccinated people get on such a high horse.
You are safe (apparently) don't worry about those that choose not to."Because, you are putting other people at risk, those who can't be vaccinated. It's also the rising hospitalisations that have caused the extra 4 weeks of lockdown. Your choice affects everyone, not just you. | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you.
That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work.
That's the point - it is totally your opinion that the facts figures and ever changing science is correct. It is my opinion not to believe everything I hear, just as well as it is always changing and decide for myself in my own time.
I would never damn someone for a choice they make for whatever reason, I am not a dictator and don't have the right to go this - nor does anyone else by the way
The proof is in the fact that less vaccinated people are being hospitalised, that's cold, hard proof that the vaccines work. Just because you choose not to believe it, it doesn't mean it isn't true.
So why on earth are people who are vaccinated to bothered about people who choose not to, it's my risk not yours but vaccinated people get on such a high horse.
You are safe (apparently) don't worry about those that choose not to.
Because, you are putting other people at risk, those who can't be vaccinated. It's also the rising hospitalisations that have caused the extra 4 weeks of lockdown.
Your choice affects everyone, not just you. "Utter utter rubbish, on this logic, the lock down will never end as people can still catch and spread it and there will always be people unable to be vaccinated. | |||
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"Because I don't bloody want to and its my choice. Everyone who has any comment on my decision can go screw themselves, you do what you want and so will I. Any more of that and you’re banned from cartoons and your Lego for the rest of the week….. Sums up the attitude of people who feel they have the right to decide for everyone else ????????" Not really, I just ‘bloody well’ wanted to say it, so I did. | |||
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"The bullshit about the vaccination in this thread is just as bad as the snippets on people's bio about Sydney University etc. People read something, believe it because they're idiotic and then share it. If you don't want the vaccine, fine. But when you get covid, don't go crying to the NHS. You don't want the vaccine, then you shouldn't have access to treatment for the virus from the NHS. " In your bio you state you will meet smokers but you don't apply the same logic to this ?????? | |||
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"One of my friends on here says he's not getting the vaccination. He got his first letter a few weeks ago but he didn't go. His reason is that he wants to know a bit more about the data of it first. I know I can't force him to get the jab but if he doesn't change his mind then I may not ever meet him again as I'm vaccinated and waiting on my second. I know people have their reasons for not wanting vaccinated but it will actually go against them in the long run, many people will not want to meet them too x Maybe he’s happy with his decision and your added judgement is unimportant to him? Maybe he isn’t losing out? Actually no, he asked for my opinion and he doesn't want to not see me again. He's just scared and that's understandable x It’s understandable…. Why? With him and I guess for others too, it's the fear. We may have some protection but it doesn't actually stop us from catching the virus. I think he just wants to take his chances but that's just as risky x" You said he’s scared …. That’s understandable…. What’s he scared of and what’s understandable? | |||
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" Utter utter rubbish, on this logic, the lock down will never end as people can still catch and spread it and there will always be people unable to be vaccinated. " Do you know how herd immunity works and why it's important? | |||
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"The bullshit about the vaccination in this thread is just as bad as the snippets on people's bio about Sydney University etc. People read something, believe it because they're idiotic and then share it. If you don't want the vaccine, fine. But when you get covid, don't go crying to the NHS. You don't want the vaccine, then you shouldn't have access to treatment for the virus from the NHS. In your bio you state you will meet smokers but you don't apply the same logic to this ??????" Anyone can meet or not meet anyone for any reason they want | |||
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" Utter utter rubbish, on this logic, the lock down will never end as people can still catch and spread it and there will always be people unable to be vaccinated. Do you know how herd immunity works and why it's important? " So you don't need me to get vaccinated then do you | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you.
That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work.
That's the point - it is totally your opinion that the facts figures and ever changing science is correct. It is my opinion not to believe everything I hear, just as well as it is always changing and decide for myself in my own time.
I would never damn someone for a choice they make for whatever reason, I am not a dictator and don't have the right to go this - nor does anyone else by the way
The proof is in the fact that less vaccinated people are being hospitalised, that's cold, hard proof that the vaccines work. Just because you choose not to believe it, it doesn't mean it isn't true.
So why on earth are people who are vaccinated to bothered about people who choose not to, it's my risk not yours but vaccinated people get on such a high horse.
You are safe (apparently) don't worry about those that choose not to.
Because, you are putting other people at risk, those who can't be vaccinated. It's also the rising hospitalisations that have caused the extra 4 weeks of lockdown.
Your choice affects everyone, not just you.
Utter utter rubbish, on this logic, the lock down will never end as people can still catch and spread it and there will always be people unable to be vaccinated. "yes but those that can't be vaccinated are in a very small minority and the point that you are missing is that if everyone that can be vaccinated does so then we can easily reach a level of immunity as a population that will significantly reduce the risks to the minority that cannot be vaccinated the same as there are those that cannot be vaccinated against the flu virus we have good heard immunity against it that it is only a minor risk now but that takes the minority of the population to achieve which is why with a new virus that no one has a natural immunity to to start with vaccination is the best way to kick start this whilst minimising the death toll that would be caused by allowing a completly natural immunity to build. | |||
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" Utter utter rubbish, on this logic, the lock down will never end as people can still catch and spread it and there will always be people unable to be vaccinated. Do you know how herd immunity works and why it's important? So you don't need me to get vaccinated then do you "I'll take that as a no. | |||
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"One of my friends on here says he's not getting the vaccination. He got his first letter a few weeks ago but he didn't go. His reason is that he wants to know a bit more about the data of it first. I know I can't force him to get the jab but if he doesn't change his mind then I may not ever meet him again as I'm vaccinated and waiting on my second. I know people have their reasons for not wanting vaccinated but it will actually go against them in the long run, many people will not want to meet them too x Maybe he’s happy with his decision and your added judgement is unimportant to him? Maybe he isn’t losing out? Actually no, he asked for my opinion and he doesn't want to not see me again. He's just scared and that's understandable x It’s understandable…. Why? With him and I guess for others too, it's the fear. We may have some protection but it doesn't actually stop us from catching the virus. I think he just wants to take his chances but that's just as risky x" Would you meet him if he took a test prior? | |||
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"The bullshit about the vaccination in this thread is just as bad as the snippets on people's bio about Sydney University etc. People read something, believe it because they're idiotic and then share it. If you don't want the vaccine, fine. But when you get covid, don't go crying to the NHS. You don't want the vaccine, then you shouldn't have access to treatment for the virus from the NHS. In your bio you state you will meet smokers but you don't apply the same logic to this ??????" Yes. Smokers pay an enormous amount of tax on top of income tax and NI contributions. Therefor they can use the NHS if they so wish for a smoking related illness. When someone has a choice of having a free vaccine that will in turn save the NHS thousands, but refuses to do so, then they shouldn't also have the liberty of using the NHS when the illness, that the vaccine was meant to suppress, makes them severely ill. The NHS has offered you a tool and if you refuse to use it, then you should also be refused assistance. | |||
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"How is anyone going to know if anyone else is vaccinated? I thought health issues were only between you and your doctor. " Don't go confusing people, if tgwy are not vaccinated they will have it tattooed on their heads by the end of August | |||
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"The bullshit about the vaccination in this thread is just as bad as the snippets on people's bio about Sydney University etc. People read something, believe it because they're idiotic and then share it. If you don't want the vaccine, fine. But when you get covid, don't go crying to the NHS. You don't want the vaccine, then you shouldn't have access to treatment for the virus from the NHS. In your bio you state you will meet smokers but you don't apply the same logic to this ?????? Yes. Smokers pay an enormous amount of tax on top of income tax and NI contributions. Therefor they can use the NHS if they so wish for a smoking related illness. When someone has a choice of having a free vaccine that will in turn save the NHS thousands, but refuses to do so, then they shouldn't also have the liberty of using the NHS when the illness, that the vaccine was meant to suppress, makes them severely ill. The NHS has offered you a tool and if you refuse to use it, then you should also be refused assistance. " How about people smoking cigarettes from abroad so the tax does not go to the NHS?? | |||
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"The bullshit about the vaccination in this thread is just as bad as the snippets on people's bio about Sydney University etc. People read something, believe it because they're idiotic and then share it. If you don't want the vaccine, fine. But when you get covid, don't go crying to the NHS. You don't want the vaccine, then you shouldn't have access to treatment for the virus from the NHS. In your bio you state you will meet smokers but you don't apply the same logic to this ?????? Yes. Smokers pay an enormous amount of tax on top of income tax and NI contributions. Therefor they can use the NHS if they so wish for a smoking related illness. When someone has a choice of having a free vaccine that will in turn save the NHS thousands, but refuses to do so, then they shouldn't also have the liberty of using the NHS when the illness, that the vaccine was meant to suppress, makes them severely ill. The NHS has offered you a tool and if you refuse to use it, then you should also be refused assistance. How about people smoking cigarettes from abroad so the tax does not go to the NHS?? " Plucking at straws now. The trade in illicit tobacco is minute in comparison to the legal sale of tobacco. | |||
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"The bullshit about the vaccination in this thread is just as bad as the snippets on people's bio about Sydney University etc. People read something, believe it because they're idiotic and then share it. If you don't want the vaccine, fine. But when you get covid, don't go crying to the NHS. You don't want the vaccine, then you shouldn't have access to treatment for the virus from the NHS. In your bio you state you will meet smokers but you don't apply the same logic to this ?????? Yes. Smokers pay an enormous amount of tax on top of income tax and NI contributions. Therefor they can use the NHS if they so wish for a smoking related illness. When someone has a choice of having a free vaccine that will in turn save the NHS thousands, but refuses to do so, then they shouldn't also have the liberty of using the NHS when the illness, that the vaccine was meant to suppress, makes them severely ill. The NHS has offered you a tool and if you refuse to use it, then you should also be refused assistance. How about people smoking cigarettes from abroad so the tax does not go to the NHS?? Plucking at straws now. The trade in illicit tobacco is minute in comparison to the legal sale of tobacco." It's an example, how about extreme sports, people causing car accidents, people in fights, suicide attempts, don't treat any of them either no as they all know the risks | |||
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"How is anyone going to know if anyone else is vaccinated? I thought health issues were only between you and your doctor. " There is the main NHS app that you can show your covid vaccine status, I'll show you mine if you show me yours simple, it also has a qr code that can be used for travel if going through airports and stuff | |||
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"One of my friends on here says he's not getting the vaccination. He got his first letter a few weeks ago but he didn't go. His reason is that he wants to know a bit more about the data of it first. I know I can't force him to get the jab but if he doesn't change his mind then I may not ever meet him again as I'm vaccinated and waiting on my second. I know people have their reasons for not wanting vaccinated but it will actually go against them in the long run, many people will not want to meet them too x Maybe he’s happy with his decision and your added judgement is unimportant to him? Maybe he isn’t losing out? Actually no, he asked for my opinion and he doesn't want to not see me again. He's just scared and that's understandable x It’s understandable…. Why? With him and I guess for others too, it's the fear. We may have some protection but it doesn't actually stop us from catching the virus. I think he just wants to take his chances but that's just as risky x Would you meet him if he took a test prior? " Possibly yes x | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
seems a little childish .However, it was also childish on the converse of that too.
I think statistically in the UK there will be less than 25% of the population who aren't or can't be vaccinated..so not as many as you might be thinking
Then take into account that of the 25% those that cant be vaccinated probably won't want to take the risk of meeting unvaccinated people when they could meet one of the majority that are vaccinated that percentage is going to get even smaller . Atleast being vaccinated we are 40%-60% less likely to be able to spread the virus (yes this is scientifically proven)"absolutely..and it's the sheer fact that these people are going to be in the minority is what all the next kerfuffle is going to be about..in other words the fun that's going to be happening once the none vaccinated decide they should have the same privileges as vaccinated people..certainly can't have that St least in the short term or it could potentially cause all sorts of problems . | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you.
That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work.
That's the point - it is totally your opinion that the facts figures and ever changing science is correct. It is my opinion not to believe everything I hear, just as well as it is always changing and decide for myself in my own time.
I would never damn someone for a choice they make for whatever reason, I am not a dictator and don't have the right to go this - nor does anyone else by the way
The proof is in the fact that less vaccinated people are being hospitalised, that's cold, hard proof that the vaccines work. Just because you choose not to believe it, it doesn't mean it isn't true.
So why on earth are people who are vaccinated to bothered about people who choose not to, it's my risk not yours but vaccinated people get on such a high horse.
You are safe (apparently) don't worry about those that choose not to.
Because, you are putting other people at risk, those who can't be vaccinated. It's also the rising hospitalisations that have caused the extra 4 weeks of lockdown.
Your choice affects everyone, not just you. "hi devils advocate here.... "so in a nut shell, your concerned on how it will effect you under the pretence off how it will effect others, anyone found not marching the beat will induce a narcissistic rage, where you will deem the opposing as selfish and uneducated" this is an observation no need to respond as I probably won't give it validation has your mind is made | |||
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"The bullshit about the vaccination in this thread is just as bad as the snippets on people's bio about Sydney University etc. People read something, believe it because they're idiotic and then share it. If you don't want the vaccine, fine. But when you get covid, don't go crying to the NHS. You don't want the vaccine, then you shouldn't have access to treatment for the virus from the NHS. In your bio you state you will meet smokers but you don't apply the same logic to this ?????? Yes. Smokers pay an enormous amount of tax on top of income tax and NI contributions. Therefor they can use the NHS if they so wish for a smoking related illness. When someone has a choice of having a free vaccine that will in turn save the NHS thousands, but refuses to do so, then they shouldn't also have the liberty of using the NHS when the illness, that the vaccine was meant to suppress, makes them severely ill. The NHS has offered you a tool and if you refuse to use it, then you should also be refused assistance. How about people smoking cigarettes from abroad so the tax does not go to the NHS?? Plucking at straws now. The trade in illicit tobacco is minute in comparison to the legal sale of tobacco. It's an example, how about extreme sports, people causing car accidents, people in fights, suicide attempts, don't treat any of them either no as they all know the risks" they do..but they have a degree of control in what is happening right? let me tell you there is no control over an airborne virus so it's not the same as smoking it dangerous sports..there is no freedom of choice of that variable no? | |||
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"How is anyone going to know if anyone else is vaccinated? I thought health issues were only between you and your doctor. Don't go confusing people, if tgwy are not vaccinated they will have it tattooed on their heads by the end of August " I genuinely believe you have no idea about what's coming you really don't.NHS app is going to be used to prove who has been jabbed and who not..its likely to be used in some areas to gain entry or to qualify for suitability for particular jobs etc in the years to come it's going to be a ore requisite of do many things..may even be as normal to use it as DBS checks are these days. your previous comments are not really addressing anything are you just avoiding the jab to be cool and edgy or something? | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you.
That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work.
Oh they work so they so Whitty said tonight 2 jabs doesn’t guarantee you won’t die from it ... get real "or get it or spend it... | |||
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"How is anyone going to know if anyone else is vaccinated? I thought health issues were only between you and your doctor. Don't go confusing people, if tgwy are not vaccinated they will have it tattooed on their heads by the end of August I genuinely believe you have no idea about what's coming you really don't.NHS app is going to be used to prove who has been jabbed and who not..its likely to be used in some areas to gain entry or to qualify for suitability for particular jobs etc in the years to come it's going to be a ore requisite of do many things..may even be as normal to use it as DBS checks are these days. your previous comments are not really addressing anything are you just avoiding the jab to be cool and edgy or something? " Do you really believe any government will pass a law for you to show your medical history to allow you to work certain jobs or access certain places. Data protection would have a field day, this is Britain not communist USSR | |||
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"At the end of the day, in a free country as this is supposed to be, no government, no church, no health service can dictate to you that you should have a medication for anything at any time. BCG used to be compulsory, I never had it, this vaccine is not compulsory and anyone not choosing to have it are well within their rights, those that want to have it, go ahead - fill your boots and let everyone decide for themselves - you have no right to influence anyone's medical choices one way or the other. It really is very very simple. You choose and you decide " You are right in what you say people are in this country free to choose, but are you aware that there is already discussion within the nhs to make the vaccine compulsory the same as hep c is for them and this even has the calling of the UK rights council so yes whilst you are free to choose if you have the jab or not employers may also be free to choose if they employ unvaccinated people or not, currently this is within the health care sector but if it is agreed there then it may open the way for other employment sectors such as retail or the food industry | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you.
That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work.
That's the point - it is totally your opinion that the facts figures and ever changing science is correct. It is my opinion not to believe everything I hear, just as well as it is always changing and decide for myself in my own time.
I would never damn someone for a choice they make for whatever reason, I am not a dictator and don't have the right to go this - nor does anyone else by the way
The proof is in the fact that less vaccinated people are being hospitalised, that's cold, hard proof that the vaccines work. Just because you choose not to believe it, it doesn't mean it isn't true.
So why on earth are people who are vaccinated to bothered about people who choose not to, it's my risk not yours but vaccinated people get on such a high horse.
You are safe (apparently) don't worry about those that choose not to.
Because, you are putting other people at risk, those who can't be vaccinated. It's also the rising hospitalisations that have caused the extra 4 weeks of lockdown.
Your choice affects everyone, not just you.
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"so in a nut shell, your concerned on how it will effect you under the pretence off how it will effect others, anyone found not marching the beat will induce a narcissistic rage, where you will deem the opposing as selfish and uneducated"
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"At the end of the day, in a free country as this is supposed to be, no government, no church, no health service can dictate to you that you should have a medication for anything at any time. BCG used to be compulsory, I never had it, this vaccine is not compulsory and anyone not choosing to have it are well within their rights, those that want to have it, go ahead - fill your boots and let everyone decide for themselves - you have no right to influence anyone's medical choices one way or the other. It really is very very simple. You choose and you decide You are right in what you say people are in this country free to choose, but are you aware that there is already discussion within the nhs to make the vaccine compulsory the same as hep c is for them and this even has the calling of the UK rights council so yes whilst you are free to choose if you have the jab or not employers may also be free to choose if they employ unvaccinated people or not, currently this is within the health care sector but if it is agreed there then it may open the way for other employment sectors such as retail or the food industry" Yes ok, how far exactly has the compulsory hep c vaccination spread through other industries??? | |||
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"How is anyone going to know if anyone else is vaccinated? I thought health issues were only between you and your doctor. Don't go confusing people, if tgwy are not vaccinated they will have it tattooed on their heads by the end of August I genuinely believe you have no idea about what's coming you really don't.NHS app is going to be used to prove who has been jabbed and who not..its likely to be used in some areas to gain entry or to qualify for suitability for particular jobs etc in the years to come it's going to be a ore requisite of do many things..may even be as normal to use it as DBS checks are these days. your previous comments are not really addressing anything are you just avoiding the jab to be cool and edgy or something? Do you really believe any government will pass a law for you to show your medical history to allow you to work certain jobs or access certain places. Data protection would have a field day, this is Britain not communist USSR " actually I do believe things will change..there are already laws in place about visiting countries without vaccinations..already some companies are introducing a no jab no job rule especially tradespeople because not everyone is going to feel safe unless everyone thinks they are all safe are they? law of averages says they have to make everyone safe as a duty of care to customers and that will include covid status at least for the short term ..once all who wish to or can be vaccinated including kids have had two jabs things will change not just in the UK till we establish some kind of new normal freedoms for those who are not vaccinated will not be the same for everyone by the end of the summer ..thats unavoidable and it's very naive to think they won't change . trotting out all the comparisons to communism and nazi /kristalnacht etc is a bit silly . This is a very different situation on which the future of the species is being changed irrevocably. To me that means the gloves are off as far as how we beat this thing and who likes it or doesn't matters not..everyone needs to just get on with it .Or accept the consequences of what will be a very fast changing world.. | |||
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"Ok, I will take my chances in the new world after a virus that has killed 0.01 of the people that catch it. Heaven help us if a dangerous desease breaks loose." You may need to check your figures as that 0.01% you quote is your chance of dying from covid IF fully vaccinated without vaccination it is closer to 2% mortality I believe you find | |||
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"Ok, I will take my chances in the new world after a virus that has killed 0.01 of the people that catch it. Heaven help us if a dangerous desease breaks loose. You may need to check your figures as that 0.01% you quote is your chance of dying from covid IF fully vaccinated without vaccination it is closer to 2% mortality I believe you find" and to add to that there is the effects of long covid that is leaving fit healthy people with serious long term issues | |||
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"Ok, I will take my chances in the new world after a virus that has killed 0.01 of the people that catch it. Heaven help us if a dangerous desease breaks loose. You may need to check your figures as that 0.01% you quote is your chance of dying from covid IF fully vaccinated without vaccination it is closer to 2% mortality I believe you find and to add to that there is the effects of long covid that is leaving fit healthy people with serious long term issues" Yeah you are so right so make that 0.02 of people who catch it - scary eh | |||
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"How is anyone going to know if anyone else is vaccinated? I thought health issues were only between you and your doctor. Don't go confusing people, if tgwy are not vaccinated they will have it tattooed on their heads by the end of August I genuinely believe you have no idea about what's coming you really don't.NHS app is going to be used to prove who has been jabbed and who not..its likely to be used in some areas to gain entry or to qualify for suitability for particular jobs etc in the years to come it's going to be a ore requisite of do many things..may even be as normal to use it as DBS checks are these days. your previous comments are not really addressing anything are you just avoiding the jab to be cool and edgy or something? Do you really believe any government will pass a law for you to show your medical history to allow you to work certain jobs or access certain places. Data protection would have a field day, this is Britain not communist USSR actually I do believe things will change..there are already laws in place about visiting countries without vaccinations..already some companies are introducing a no jab no job rule especially tradespeople because not everyone is going to feel safe unless everyone thinks they are all safe are they? law of averages says they have to make everyone safe as a duty of care to customers and that will include covid status at least for the short term ..once all who wish to or can be vaccinated including kids have had two jabs things will change not just in the UK till we establish some kind of new normal freedoms for those who are not vaccinated will not be the same for everyone by the end of the summer ..thats unavoidable and it's very naive to think they won't change . trotting out all the comparisons to communism and nazi /kristalnacht etc is a bit silly . This is a very different situation on which the future of the species is being changed irrevocably. To me that means the gloves are off as far as how we beat this thing and who likes it or doesn't matters not..everyone needs to just get on with it .Or accept the consequences of what will be a very fast changing world.." This is very true actually. A company I used to work for is implementing a policy for all employees to be vaccinated by a certain date (medical conditions permitting) or they’ll lose their jobs. It’s an engineering firm, so nothing to do with the NHS etc. | |||
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"Ok, I will take my chances in the new world after a virus that has killed 0.01 of the people that catch it. Heaven help us if a dangerous desease breaks loose. You may need to check your figures as that 0.01% you quote is your chance of dying from covid IF fully vaccinated without vaccination it is closer to 2% mortality I believe you find and to add to that there is the effects of long covid that is leaving fit healthy people with serious long term issues Yeah you are so right so make that 0.02 of people who catch it - scary eh " when see that tiny percentage no but when you take that and apply it to actual population, at the peak of the first wave with over a 1000 deaths a day that was the equvilant of the village I live in being wiped of the face of the earth every day then apply that same percentage to the population of the world as this is a world wide problem and you are looking at a huge number of deaths leaving behind parents grieving lost children and many many children losing one or both parents that's when you start to see what a huge dangerous virus this actually is. | |||
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"I'm not having the vaccine because - how best to summarize, I have listened to all the news articles, all the opinions, all the facts and figures but basically at the end of the day in not having the vaccine : Because I don't bloody want to and its my choice. Everyone who has any comment on my decision can go screw themselves, you do what you want and so will I. " Difficult to disagree with a well presented, reasoned and insightful arguement like that... | |||
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"I'm not having the vaccine because - how best to summarize, I have listened to all the news articles, all the opinions, all the facts and figures but basically at the end of the day in not having the vaccine : Because I don't bloody want to and its my choice. Everyone who has any comment on my decision can go screw themselves, you do what you want and so will I. Difficult to disagree with a well presented, reasoned and insightful arguement like that..." | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Out of curiosity why would you choose not to get vaccinated?"Because its still experimental and we do no know its long term effects. | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Out of curiosity why would you choose not to get vaccinated?
Because its still experimental and we do no know its long term effects. "Its not experimental as all the vaccines in use have passed stage 3 trials and have passed all standard safety checks before being rolled out the the public | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
seems a little childish .However, it was also childish on the converse of that too.
I think statistically in the UK there will be less than 25% of the population who aren't or can't be vaccinated..so not as many as you might be thinking "Population of 66.65 million… so about 16.66 million people won’t/can’t be vaccinated. That seems a lot to me. I’ve had one vaccine so far - because I felt forced into it because of the potential segregation (vaccine passports) and prejudice that was building. The side effects I had were not worth it. The NHS were constantly pressuring me to say/believe that it was not related to the vaccine. “Your eyes need testing”, “you use computers too much”, I’m sorry but I’d have known if I felt that bad before the jab. It all started 12hrs after it, plus whenever I had an A&E visit while suffering from them, I was always in the waiting room with at least two others with the same symptoms. Thankfully the side effects have worn off - or at least the short term ones have. Fingers crossed that there aren’t any sinister long term ones that start popping up for people in the future. It has definitely made me think about skipping the second one, but having said that, I’m probably already too far down the path already. | |||
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"The bullshit about the vaccination in this thread is just as bad as the snippets on people's bio about Sydney University etc. People read something, believe it because they're idiotic and then share it. If you don't want the vaccine, fine. But when you get covid, don't go crying to the NHS. You don't want the vaccine, then you shouldn't have access to treatment for the virus from the NHS. " Well said. So let’s also ban fat/obese people from having treatment for heart disease and respiratory illness, smokers from cancer treatment, alcoholics from liver and kidney illness… (Sarcasm implied in the well said part) | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
seems a little childish .However, it was also childish on the converse of that too.
I think statistically in the UK there will be less than 25% of the population who aren't or can't be vaccinated..so not as many as you might be thinking
Population of 66.65 million… so about 16.66 million people won’t/can’t be vaccinated. That seems a lot to me.
I’ve had one vaccine so far - because I felt forced into it because of the potential segregation (vaccine passports) and prejudice that was building. The side effects I had were not worth it. The NHS were constantly pressuring me to say/believe that it was not related to the vaccine. “Your eyes need testing”, “you use computers too much”, I’m sorry but I’d have known if I felt that bad before the jab. It all started 12hrs after it, plus whenever I had an A&E visit while suffering from them, I was always in the waiting room with at least two others with the same symptoms. Thankfully the side effects have worn off - or at least the short term ones have. Fingers crossed that there aren’t any sinister long term ones that start popping up for people in the future. It has definitely made me think about skipping the second one, but having said that, I’m probably already too far down the path already."out of interest can I ask what your side effects were? I count myself as lucky as only had mild washed out feeling for a day or so with both jabs but am genuinely interested to know more about the more sever side effects people have experienced. | |||
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"Good idea having a list of people who refuse to be vaccinated. Plague prolongers can then be prevented from mixing with people who employ common sense." Vaccinated people fast becoming the modern day remainers - can't stand other people having a choice | |||
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" I give a shit about me ..... and my disabled son that I look after so when I die from complications from a jab are you gonna look after him then ... no thought not so shove your jab I have an immune system that works perfectly .... Why would you die from the vaccine? "Sure that's something all the families of the people who have died from taking the vaccine are asking. Figures taken for the government Yellow Card Scheme up to 2 June 2021: Total Fatal Outcome Reports: Pfizer-BioNTech: 406 AstraZeneca: 863 Moderna: 4 Unspecified: 22 Total Reactions from Drug; Pfizer-BioNTech: 193768 AstraZeneca: 717250 Moderna: 9243 Unspecified: 2335 Take from this what you will. This data is only from people who know about the Yellow Card Scheme. The amount of people who we have spoken to who don't know about it is worrying, particularly when they have been vaccinated and have suffered side effects. If the governement want to build data for a trial vacinne they should be asking everyone who has taken a vaccine to register with an individual reference, even if it's to tick a no symptoms box. The government are so quick to put deaths down to Covid, even if it was not the cause of deaths (they report deaths within 28 days of testing positive) but they are not so quick to associate any deaths to the vaccine. The government are also quick to report long Covid but they have no evidence of any long term effects of the vacinnes. | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab "I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab?? I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it?? | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it?? "Ok But please If you get covid, don’t give it to your loved ones,don’t give it to the doctor trying to save your life. Best thing for you and your like minded folk, stay home, protect others, protect the NHS I so hope the passports become law Have a great day | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it?? "To protect others. I've been getting a flu jab, most years, since I was sixteen. I'm not scared of rubella (German measles), because it only does serious harm to unborn babies. And here I am, vaccinated against rubella. | |||
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" I give a shit about me ..... and my disabled son that I look after so when I die from complications from a jab are you gonna look after him then ... no thought not so shove your jab I have an immune system that works perfectly .... Why would you die from the vaccine?
Sure that's something all the families of the people who have died from taking the vaccine are asking. Figures taken for the government Yellow Card Scheme up to 2 June 2021:
Total Fatal Outcome Reports:
Pfizer-BioNTech: 406
AstraZeneca: 863
Moderna: 4
Unspecified: 22
Total Reactions from Drug;
Pfizer-BioNTech: 193768
AstraZeneca: 717250
Moderna: 9243
Unspecified: 2335
Take from this what you will.
This data is only from people who know about the Yellow Card Scheme. The amount of people who we have spoken to who don't know about it is worrying, particularly when they have been vaccinated and have suffered side effects.
If the governement want to build data for a trial vacinne they should be asking everyone who has taken a vaccine to register with an individual reference, even if it's to tick a no symptoms box.
The government are so quick to put deaths down to Covid, even if it was not the cause of deaths (they report deaths within 28 days of testing positive) but they are not so quick to associate any deaths to the vaccine.
The government are also quick to report long Covid but they have no evidence of any long term effects of the vacinnes.
"Quoting the yellow card system is not helpful or accurate as the data is not confirmed by a qualified professional so there is no proof that the fatalities are or are not linked to the vaccine the same as the VEARS systm used in the states and both clearly state this on the sites, the reports can be made by the general public so until cause of death has actually been confirmed by a coroner they could be coincidental | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
To protect others. I've been getting a flu jab, most years, since I was sixteen.
I'm not scared of rubella (German measles), because it only does serious harm to unborn babies. And here I am, vaccinated against rubella."And here I am still surviving after being vaccinated against nothing.... Freedom of choice as I said, everyone is free to do as they choose and nobody should judge them for it either way | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
To protect others. I've been getting a flu jab, most years, since I was sixteen.
I'm not scared of rubella (German measles), because it only does serious harm to unborn babies. And here I am, vaccinated against rubella.
And here I am still surviving after being vaccinated against nothing.... Freedom of choice as I said, everyone is free to do as they choose and nobody should judge them for it either way"You're welcome for the protection. | |||
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"Well I’m actually making a list of those who’ve been jabbed ... I won’t be meeting them .... and there are actually a large number of people who haven’t had it ...so don’t worry I’m sure I will manage just fine meeting people
Thank fuck for that. I'll put myself on the list of anyone who doesn't want to meet vaccinated people.
Same here double vaccinated and happy to go on that list as wouldn't want to meet anyone that isn't vaccinated without a medical reason for not being so.
Can you explain the logic of why you would meet someone who is not vaccinated because of medical reasons but would not meet them if they simply choose not to?? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me
Choice, that's the one word that is relevant.
Choosing not to is selfish and very few people making that decision have any rational or educated reason for doing so.
So nothing to do with health or fear of a virus then?? Just because people are using their opinion to form a different conclusion from you?? Very grown up of you.
That's the point, it's not my opinion, I've looked at what is very clear in front of me, the vaccines work.
Oh they work so they so Whitty said tonight 2 jabs doesn’t guarantee you won’t die from it ... get real
There are no guarantees from any vaccine that you definitely won't die from the illness it's for.
It makes my chances of survival alot more likely, it's also means I'm far less likely to pass it onto someone who is more at risk than myself. It's called giving a shit about others.
I give a shit about me ..... and my disabled son that I look after so when I die from complications from a jab are you gonna look after him then ... no thought not so shove your jab I have an immune system that works perfectly ...."I would have thought having a son who was disabled would make you even more determined to protect yourself against dieing from Covid or suffering long Covid. Aside from protecting your self from Covid, you're also helping protect your son. Your logic is flawed. Deeply deeply flawed. E | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
To protect others. I've been getting a flu jab, most years, since I was sixteen.
I'm not scared of rubella (German measles), because it only does serious harm to unborn babies. And here I am, vaccinated against rubella.
And here I am still surviving after being vaccinated against nothing.... Freedom of choice as I said, everyone is free to do as they choose and nobody should judge them for it either way
You're welcome for the protection."Your not protecting me from anything, you can still catch, pass on and suffer covid, there is next to no chance of me coming into contact with it where I live so, I'm glad your happy that you're vaccinated but don't do it for me buttercup | |||
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"Good idea having a list of people who refuse to be vaccinated. Plague prolongers can then be prevented from mixing with people who employ common sense. Vaccinated people fast becoming the modern day remainers - can't stand other people having a choice" no one has said you can't have a choice only that choices have consequences and those consequences may in the future affect you like it or not | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
To protect others. I've been getting a flu jab, most years, since I was sixteen.
I'm not scared of rubella (German measles), because it only does serious harm to unborn babies. And here I am, vaccinated against rubella.
And here I am still surviving after being vaccinated against nothing.... Freedom of choice as I said, everyone is free to do as they choose and nobody should judge them for it either way
You're welcome for the protection.
Your not protecting me from anything, you can still catch, pass on and suffer covid, there is next to no chance of me coming into contact with it where I live so, I'm glad your happy that you're vaccinated but don't do it for me buttercup"I wasn't talking about Covid. | |||
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"Good idea having a list of people who refuse to be vaccinated. Plague prolongers can then be prevented from mixing with people who employ common sense. Vaccinated people fast becoming the modern day remainers - can't stand other people having a choice no one has said you can't have a choice only that choices have consequences and those consequences may in the future affect you like it or not" No they have indeed said it should not be a choice. Read up above and I was wrong comparing to remainers, vaccinated are more like vegans. | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
Ok
But please
If you get covid, don’t give it to your loved ones,don’t give it to the doctor trying to save your life.
Best thing for you and your like minded folk, stay home, protect others, protect the NHS
I so hope the passports become law
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
Great thread. Be easier to block everyone. Thank youCures don't kill people..Cures don't injure people..Cures don't segragete people..Cures don't need bride's...Cure's don't need liability clauses and get out off jail card's...Cure's don't need PR campaigns....Cure's don't need censorship by tech companies....so feel free to block people who can think for themselves.
Think for themselves? Your entire post is nonsense people spout on facebook, it gets shared to other people who have no common sense and it continues. Those are the people that can't think for themselves. "I can think for myself thanks,enjoy the vaccines | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
To protect others. I've been getting a flu jab, most years, since I was sixteen.
I'm not scared of rubella (German measles), because it only does serious harm to unborn babies. And here I am, vaccinated against rubella.
And here I am still surviving after being vaccinated against nothing.... Freedom of choice as I said, everyone is free to do as they choose and nobody should judge them for it either way
You're welcome for the protection.
Your not protecting me from anything, you can still catch, pass on and suffer covid, there is next to no chance of me coming into contact with it where I live so, I'm glad your happy that you're vaccinated but don't do it for me buttercup"You keep saying there is next to no chance of you catching it where you live, do you ever leave the house or village and travel to a town to do your shopping or for work or to go to the cinema or visit friends and family do you ever stop in a service station whilst out? | |||
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"The bullshit about the vaccination in this thread is just as bad as the snippets on people's bio about Sydney University etc. People read something, believe it because they're idiotic and then share it. If you don't want the vaccine, fine. But when you get covid, don't go crying to the NHS. You don't want the vaccine, then you shouldn't have access to treatment for the virus from the NHS. Well said. So let’s also ban fat/obese people from having treatment for heart disease and respiratory illness, smokers from cancer treatment, alcoholics from liver and kidney illness… (Sarcasm implied in the well said part)" This whole “don’t treat people who refuse vaccine argument” also conveniently ignores that many (not all) people who are in the at higher risk groups and can’t have the vaccine groups, are there due to their own life choices. They may be being treated for lung cancer because they smoked. They may have diabetes or severe asthma because they are obese due to poor diet and no exercise. So because of those choices should they be denied treatment? Of course not. You cannot simply dismiss people having concerns over the vaccines. Many people are hesitant (but not anti vax). Their concerns about a lack of data on long term side effects have legitimacy. Like it or not, there are people who are having serious adverse reactions (even dying). Now statistically that certainly appears to be significantly lower than those who get seriously ill/long covid/die of covid but for those who are hesitant it creates a conundrum. Do I make a deliberate choice to be injected with something that has negatively impacted on people and may have long term impacts? Or do I take a risk that I may get exposed to Covid and may contract it and may get it bad and may develop long term issues or may even die? You then get some people who will throw in the “for the good of society” argument for why everyone MUST have the vaccine. But this ignores the point that you could also argue for the “good of society” that those who can’t be vaccinated should continue shielding. I don’t know the numbers but wonder which group is the largest: - Can’t be vaccinated - Hesitant and therefore don’t want the vaccine just yet - Will never have the vaccine For avoidance of doubt, I am deliberately positing an alternative viewpoint because this is too complex to be binary. It isn’t black and white, it is grey. | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
Ok
But please
If you get covid, don’t give it to your loved ones,don’t give it to the doctor trying to save your life.
Best thing for you and your like minded folk, stay home, protect others, protect the NHS
I so hope the passports become law
Have a great day
Well said , maybe should be out pawed from using the n h s ?"How are those passports going? You know the ones we were going to need to go into a pub, out for a meal, on a plane - how are they coming along?? Those little pieces of cardboard with dates on that you get at the vaccination you can buy for £5 in the pubs already | |||
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"there is next to no chance of me coming into contact with it where I live so, I'm glad your happy that you're vaccinated but don't do it for me buttercup Yesterday in Oswestry there were 6511 new cases of Covid. " so not really as rural as he thinks as that is 6x the number of people in the village I live in | |||
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"there is next to no chance of me coming into contact with it where I live so, I'm glad your happy that you're vaccinated but don't do it for me buttercup Yesterday in Oswestry there were 6511 new cases of Covid. " You do realise that would be just about everybody in Oswestry caught covid yesterday, and you believe this crap, the population isn't even that ?????????????????????????????? Idiot | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
Ok
But please
If you get covid, don’t give it to your loved ones,don’t give it to the doctor trying to save your life.
Best thing for you and your like minded folk, stay home, protect others, protect the NHS
I so hope the passports become law
Have a great day
Well said , maybe should be out pawed from using the n h s ?
How are those passports going? You know the ones we were going to need to go into a pub, out for a meal, on a plane - how are they coming along??
Those little pieces of cardboard with dates on that you get at the vaccination you can buy for £5 in the pubs already "Oh you do mean those or the real on that is on the nhs app on my phone? | |||
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"there is next to no chance of me coming into contact with it where I live so, I'm glad your happy that you're vaccinated but don't do it for me buttercup Yesterday in Oswestry there were 6511 new cases of Covid. You do realise that would be just about everybody in Oswestry caught covid yesterday, and you believe this crap, the population isn't even that ?????????????????????????????? Idiot " Taken from Wikipedia Oswestry is the third-largest town in Shropshire, following Telford and Shrewsbury. The 2011 Census recorded the population of the civil parish as 17,105 | |||
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" I give a shit about me ..... and my disabled son that I look after so when I die from complications from a jab are you gonna look after him then ... no thought not so shove your jab I have an immune system that works perfectly .... Why would you die from the vaccine?
Sure that's something all the families of the people who have died from taking the vaccine are asking. Figures taken for the government Yellow Card Scheme up to 2 June 2021:
Total Fatal Outcome Reports:
Pfizer-BioNTech: 406
AstraZeneca: 863
Moderna: 4
Unspecified: 22
Total Reactions from Drug;
Pfizer-BioNTech: 193768
AstraZeneca: 717250
Moderna: 9243
Unspecified: 2335
Take from this what you will.
This data is only from people who know about the Yellow Card Scheme. The amount of people who we have spoken to who don't know about it is worrying, particularly when they have been vaccinated and have suffered side effects.
If the governement want to build data for a trial vacinne they should be asking everyone who has taken a vaccine to register with an individual reference, even if it's to tick a no symptoms box.
The government are so quick to put deaths down to Covid, even if it was not the cause of deaths (they report deaths within 28 days of testing positive) but they are not so quick to associate any deaths to the vaccine.
The government are also quick to report long Covid but they have no evidence of any long term effects of the vacinnes.
Quoting the yellow card system is not helpful or accurate as the data is not confirmed by a qualified professional so there is no proof that the fatalities are or are not linked to the vaccine the same as the VEARS systm used in the states and both clearly state this on the sites, the reports can be made by the general public so until cause of death has actually been confirmed by a coroner they could be coincidental"Completely understand it's not accurate data. Absolutely far from accurate because not everyone knows about it. I have spoken to many people who have suffered side effects (my husband included) and the majority of them where unaware of the scheme and have not registered them. You could also say the same about the death figures. I have a relative who is a deputy manager in a care home. At the height of the pandemic last year there were 11 residents all on end of life care. Every single one of their deaths were put down to Covid even though they did not die of Covid. No autopsies took place at the height of the pandemic. Most deaths were put down to Covid regardless.And that is in just one care homes. Also have a friend who had a relative in a care home who was on end of life care with cancer. Their death was put down to Covid- they have contested that decision as know they died of cancer. Not everything is simply black or white. I take the figures with a pinch of salt because nobody will ever know the true data. | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
Ok
But please
If you get covid, don’t give it to your loved ones,don’t give it to the doctor trying to save your life.
Best thing for you and your like minded folk, stay home, protect others, protect the NHS
I so hope the passports become law
Have a great day
Well said , maybe should be out pawed from using the n h s ?
How are those passports going? You know the ones we were going to need to go into a pub, out for a meal, on a plane - how are they coming along??
Those little pieces of cardboard with dates on that you get at the vaccination you can buy for £5 in the pubs already
Oh you do mean those or the real on that is on the nhs app on my phone?"So if you don't own a smartphone you can't go anywhere or do anything after covid no? That will become law, all people must decree to own a smartphone with the NHS app or be hung by the neck until they are dead. Get real you plank | |||
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"there is next to no chance of me coming into contact with it where I live so, I'm glad your happy that you're vaccinated but don't do it for me buttercup Yesterday in Oswestry there were 6511 new cases of Covid. You do realise that would be just about everybody in Oswestry caught covid yesterday, and you believe this crap, the population isn't even that ?????????????????????????????? Idiot Taken from Wikipedia Oswestry is the third-largest town in Shropshire, following Telford and Shrewsbury. The 2011 Census recorded the population of the civil parish as 17,105" And I don't live in Oswestry.... But the post said there were 6511 new cases there yesterday, this is a big wave all of a sudden eh. | |||
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"Good idea having a list of people who refuse to be vaccinated. Plague prolongers can then be prevented from mixing with people who employ common sense. Vaccinated people fast becoming the modern day remainers - can't stand other people having a choice no one has said you can't have a choice only that choices have consequences and those consequences may in the future affect you like it or not No they have indeed said it should not be a choice. Read up above and I was wrong comparing to remainers, vaccinated are more like vegans. " I’m sorry but, you’re an idiot | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
Ok
But please
If you get covid, don’t give it to your loved ones,don’t give it to the doctor trying to save your life.
Best thing for you and your like minded folk, stay home, protect others, protect the NHS
I so hope the passports become law
Have a great day
Well said , maybe should be out pawed from using the n h s ?
How are those passports going? You know the ones we were going to need to go into a pub, out for a meal, on a plane - how are they coming along??
Those little pieces of cardboard with dates on that you get at the vaccination you can buy for £5 in the pubs already
Oh you do mean those or the real on that is on the nhs app on my phone?
So if you don't own a smartphone you can't go anywhere or do anything after covid no?
That will become law, all people must decree to own a smartphone with the NHS app or be hung by the neck until they are dead.
Get real you plank "Quite sad to resort to name calling really, tell me what percentage of the country don't own a smart phone? | |||
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"Good idea having a list of people who refuse to be vaccinated. Plague prolongers can then be prevented from mixing with people who employ common sense. Vaccinated people fast becoming the modern day remainers - can't stand other people having a choice no one has said you can't have a choice only that choices have consequences and those consequences may in the future affect you like it or not No they have indeed said it should not be a choice. Read up above and I was wrong comparing to remainers, vaccinated are more like vegans. I’m sorry but, you’re an idiot " I rest my case your honour. | |||
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"there is next to no chance of me coming into contact with it where I live so, I'm glad your happy that you're vaccinated but don't do it for me buttercup Yesterday in Oswestry there were 6511 new cases of Covid. You do realise that would be just about everybody in Oswestry caught covid yesterday, and you believe this crap, the population isn't even that ?????????????????????????????? Idiot Taken from Wikipedia Oswestry is the third-largest town in Shropshire, following Telford and Shrewsbury. The 2011 Census recorded the population of the civil parish as 17,105" You’d think they would at least check before posting eh? I think I see a pattern emerging. | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it?? "For the same reasons you insure your car, your house, your possessions, your life. You insure, in case. E | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
Ok
But please
If you get covid, don’t give it to your loved ones,don’t give it to the doctor trying to save your life.
Best thing for you and your like minded folk, stay home, protect others, protect the NHS
I so hope the passports become law
Have a great day
Well said , maybe should be out pawed from using the n h s ?
How are those passports going? You know the ones we were going to need to go into a pub, out for a meal, on a plane - how are they coming along??
Those little pieces of cardboard with dates on that you get at the vaccination you can buy for £5 in the pubs already
Oh you do mean those or the real on that is on the nhs app on my phone?
So if you don't own a smartphone you can't go anywhere or do anything after covid no?
That will become law, all people must decree to own a smartphone with the NHS app or be hung by the neck until they are dead.
Get real you plank
Quite sad to resort to name calling really, tell me what percentage of the country don't own a smart phone? "Doesn't matter if it is 1% you can't stop them being free to move around on the basis they don't own a smartphone. Apps can never ever be law. | |||
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"My figure of 6511 cases yesterday was from the Government website" Please quote it as I hope it is a government figure as it will prove for all that they make it up as they go along, there is no way on earth there were 6511 positive cases in Oswestry in 3 months or even this year, let alone yesterday | |||
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"Not one person other than my GP knows my medical history, and so it will remain forever. I also have absolutely no desire to know yours or anyone else’s for that matter. My name will not be appearing on any list nor will I be carrying a passport. I fully intend to engage fully in society as soon as is possible - pubs, clubs, socials, holidays, gigs, you name it. Tell me I can’t and I’ll prove you wrong" No no, you will have to, so all these people feel safe and if you don't they will have the right to tattoo it on your forehead | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
For the same reasons you insure your car, your house, your possessions, your life.
You insure, in case.
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"there is next to no chance of me coming into contact with it where I live so, I'm glad your happy that you're vaccinated but don't do it for me buttercup Yesterday in Oswestry there were 6511 new cases of Covid. You do realise that would be just about everybody in Oswestry caught covid yesterday, and you believe this crap, the population isn't even that ?????????????????????????????? Idiot Taken from Wikipedia Oswestry is the third-largest town in Shropshire, following Telford and Shrewsbury. The 2011 Census recorded the population of the civil parish as 17,105 And I don't live in Oswestry.... But the post said there were 6511 new cases there yesterday, this is a big wave all of a sudden eh. " You stated that the figure given would be the whole of Oswestry, I have given you the population figures back from 2011 which show that to be incorrect as that is about half the population of the urban area (16,660 as of 2011) itself. | |||
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"I fully intend to engage fully in society as soon as is possible - pubs, clubs, socials, holidays, gigs, you name it. Tell me I can’t and I’ll prove you wrong" I have booked a cruise for 2022. It is mandatory to have both vaccinations (and any subsequent boosters offered) before being allowed on the ship. So you couldn't go on any cruise offered by Fred Olsen and I know other cruise lines are saying the same. | |||
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"The bullshit about the vaccination in this thread is just as bad as the snippets on people's bio about Sydney University etc. People read something, believe it because they're idiotic and then share it. If you don't want the vaccine, fine. But when you get covid, don't go crying to the NHS. You don't want the vaccine, then you shouldn't have access to treatment for the virus from the NHS. Well said. So let’s also ban fat/obese people from having treatment for heart disease and respiratory illness, smokers from cancer treatment, alcoholics from liver and kidney illness… (Sarcasm implied in the well said part) This whole “don’t treat people who refuse vaccine argument” also conveniently ignores that many (not all) people who are in the at higher risk groups and can’t have the vaccine groups, are there due to their own life choices. They may be being treated for lung cancer because they smoked. They may have diabetes or severe asthma because they are obese due to poor diet and no exercise. So because of those choices should they be denied treatment? Of course not. You cannot simply dismiss people having concerns over the vaccines. Many people are hesitant (but not anti vax). Their concerns about a lack of data on long term side effects have legitimacy. Like it or not, there are people who are having serious adverse reactions (even dying). Now statistically that certainly appears to be significantly lower than those who get seriously ill/long covid/die of covid but for those who are hesitant it creates a conundrum. Do I make a deliberate choice to be injected with something that has negatively impacted on people and may have long term impacts? Or do I take a risk that I may get exposed to Covid and may contract it and may get it bad and may develop long term issues or may even die? You then get some people who will throw in the “for the good of society” argument for why everyone MUST have the vaccine. But this ignores the point that you could also argue for the “good of society” that those who can’t be vaccinated should continue shielding. I don’t know the numbers but wonder which group is the largest: - Can’t be vaccinated - Hesitant and therefore don’t want the vaccine just yet - Will never have the vaccine For avoidance of doubt, I am deliberately positing an alternative viewpoint because this is too complex to be binary. It isn’t black and white, it is grey." a good post but unfortunately there is no mutual respect and so there is no grey
You are either one or the other - and that’s sad and worrying .
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"My figure of 6511 cases yesterday was from the Government website Please quote it as I hope it is a government figure as it will prove for all that they make it up as they go along, there is no way on earth there were 6511 positive cases in Oswestry in 3 months or even this year, let alone yesterday " Google Covid cases Oswestry. | |||
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"My figure of 6511 cases yesterday was from the Government website Please quote it as I hope it is a government figure as it will prove for all that they make it up as they go along, there is no way on earth there were 6511 positive cases in Oswestry in 3 months or even this year, let alone yesterday Google Covid cases Oswestry. " I have just seen the latest figures were released on 9th June as it is now done weekly by Shropshire county council - the county of Shropshire (one of the biggest in England) had 48 positive cases in the week leading up to 9th June, slightly different from 6511 in a day. And it's the people against vaccines talking crap hahahahaha | |||
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"I fully intend to engage fully in society as soon as is possible - pubs, clubs, socials, holidays, gigs, you name it. Tell me I can’t and I’ll prove you wrong I have booked a cruise for 2022. It is mandatory to have both vaccinations (and any subsequent boosters offered) before being allowed on the ship. So you couldn't go on any cruise offered by Fred Olsen and I know other cruise lines are saying the same. " Good for Fred Olsen, I hope they go bust. Bearing in mind I’ve been all over the world and never been on a cruise I’m sure I’ll survive. Failing that I’d use a Floridian based liner as they will be subject to a $5,000 fine for asking my vaccine status | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
Ok
But please
If you get covid, don’t give it to your loved ones,don’t give it to the doctor trying to save your life.
Best thing for you and your like minded folk, stay home, protect others, protect the NHS
I so hope the passports become law
Have a great day
Well said , maybe should be out pawed from using the n h s ?
How are those passports going? You know the ones we were going to need to go into a pub, out for a meal, on a plane - how are they coming along??
Those little pieces of cardboard with dates on that you get at the vaccination you can buy for £5 in the pubs already
Oh you do mean those or the real on that is on the nhs app on my phone?
So if you don't own a smartphone you can't go anywhere or do anything after covid no?
That will become law, all people must decree to own a smartphone with the NHS app or be hung by the neck until they are dead.
Get real you plank
Quite sad to resort to name calling really, tell me what percentage of the country don't own a smart phone?
Doesn't matter if it is 1% you can't stop them being free to move around on the basis they don't own a smartphone. Apps can never ever be law."Its quite clear that even with all the evidence that is available to you, you fail to see how the world is changing due to this pandemic as for restriction of movement, countries are already considering not allowing unvaccinated travellers to enter without restrictions and as people have said earlier in the post companies are making the decision to not employ people who are not vaccinated and so far as the rights side of it goes the uk rights council seem to be backing the move as whilst yes you have the right to do as you see fit within the confines of the law so the rest of the population has the right to not be placed at risk because of anyone else's choice | |||
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"My figure of 6511 cases yesterday was from the Government website Please quote it as I hope it is a government figure as it will prove for all that they make it up as they go along, there is no way on earth there were 6511 positive cases in Oswestry in 3 months or even this year, let alone yesterday Google Covid cases Oswestry. I have just seen the latest figures were released on 9th June as it is now done weekly by Shropshire county council - the county of Shropshire (one of the biggest in England) had 48 positive cases in the week leading up to 9th June, slightly different from 6511 in a day. And it's the people against vaccines talking crap hahahahaha" Oswestry - postcode area SY10 / SY11 Shropshire 25 cases per 100,000 people in the latest week 4 Jun-10 Jun. The average area in England had 39*. 82 cases in the latest week 4 Jun-10 Jun +51compared with the previous week 15,313 TOTAL cases to 14 Jun 636 coronavirus-related deaths registered to 21 May 79% of adults in the area have had the first dose of the vaccine to 13 Jun 63% have had the second dose | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
Ok
But please
If you get covid, don’t give it to your loved ones,don’t give it to the doctor trying to save your life.
Best thing for you and your like minded folk, stay home, protect others, protect the NHS
I so hope the passports become law
Have a great day
Well said , maybe should be out pawed from using the n h s ?
How are those passports going? You know the ones we were going to need to go into a pub, out for a meal, on a plane - how are they coming along??
Those little pieces of cardboard with dates on that you get at the vaccination you can buy for £5 in the pubs already
Oh you do mean those or the real on that is on the nhs app on my phone?
So if you don't own a smartphone you can't go anywhere or do anything after covid no?
That will become law, all people must decree to own a smartphone with the NHS app or be hung by the neck until they are dead.
Get real you plank
Quite sad to resort to name calling really, tell me what percentage of the country don't own a smart phone?
Doesn't matter if it is 1% you can't stop them being free to move around on the basis they don't own a smartphone. Apps can never ever be law.
Its quite clear that even with all the evidence that is available to you, you fail to see how the world is changing due to this pandemic as for restriction of movement, countries are already considering not allowing unvaccinated travellers to enter without restrictions and as people have said earlier in the post companies are making the decision to not employ people who are not vaccinated and so far as the rights side of it goes the uk rights council seem to be backing the move as whilst yes you have the right to do as you see fit within the confines of the law so the rest of the population has the right to not be placed at risk because of anyone else's choice "YOUR NOT AT RISK YOU ARE PROTECTED BY THE ALL CONQUERING VACCINE REMEMBER | |||
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"My figure of 6511 cases yesterday was from the Government website Please quote it as I hope it is a government figure as it will prove for all that they make it up as they go along, there is no way on earth there were 6511 positive cases in Oswestry in 3 months or even this year, let alone yesterday Google Covid cases Oswestry. I have just seen the latest figures were released on 9th June as it is now done weekly by Shropshire county council - the county of Shropshire (one of the biggest in England) had 48 positive cases in the week leading up to 9th June, slightly different from 6511 in a day. And it's the people against vaccines talking crap hahahahaha Oswestry - postcode area SY10 / SY11 Shropshire 25 cases per 100,000 people in the latest week 4 Jun-10 Jun. The average area in England had 39*. 82 cases in the latest week 4 Jun-10 Jun +51compared with the previous week 15,313 TOTAL cases to 14 Jun 636 coronavirus-related deaths registered to 21 May 79% of adults in the area have had the first dose of the vaccine to 13 Jun 63% have had the second dose " There is nowhere near 100,000 people in that area but using those figures allows higher scary numbers. 636 deaths in 18 months, that's around 1.2 a day, so less than car accidents for example. And it isn't quite 6511 positive cases yesterday is it. | |||
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"The anti vax squad make me crazy “Oh you’re all sheep and the government have you living in fear” But you’re scared of the jab
I am in no way scared of the jab - in exactly the same way I am in no way scared of covid, so why would I have the jab??
I have qualified for a flu jab for 5 years, never had one of them either, I'm not scared of flu so why insure against it??
Ok
But please
If you get covid, don’t give it to your loved ones,don’t give it to the doctor trying to save your life.
Best thing for you and your like minded folk, stay home, protect others, protect the NHS
I so hope the passports become law
Have a great day
Well said , maybe should be out pawed from using the n h s ?
How are those passports going? You know the ones we were going to need to go into a pub, out for a meal, on a plane - how are they coming along??
Those little pieces of cardboard with dates on that you get at the vaccination you can buy for £5 in the pubs already
Oh you do mean those or the real on that is on the nhs app on my phone?
So if you don't own a smartphone you can't go anywhere or do anything after covid no?
That will become law, all people must decree to own a smartphone with the NHS app or be hung by the neck until they are dead.
Get real you plank
Quite sad to resort to name calling really, tell me what percentage of the country don't own a smart phone?
Doesn't matter if it is 1% you can't stop them being free to move around on the basis they don't own a smartphone. Apps can never ever be law.
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YOUR NOT AT RISK YOU ARE PROTECTED BY THE ALL CONQUERING VACCINE REMEMBER"Again with a miss conception the vaccine vastly reduces the risk of sever symptoms if I am exposed to the sars-cov2 virus and reduces the risk of me transmitting it by up to 60% the intelligent amongst us know it doesn't provide immunity it just greatly reduces risk of being seriously ill with it and spreading it. And you call me a plank  | |||
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"My figure of 6511 cases yesterday was from the Government website Please quote it as I hope it is a government figure as it will prove for all that they make it up as they go along, there is no way on earth there were 6511 positive cases in Oswestry in 3 months or even this year, let alone yesterday Google Covid cases Oswestry. I have just seen the latest figures were released on 9th June as it is now done weekly by Shropshire county council - the county of Shropshire (one of the biggest in England) had 48 positive cases in the week leading up to 9th June, slightly different from 6511 in a day. And it's the people against vaccines talking crap hahahahaha Oswestry - postcode area SY10 / SY11 Shropshire 25 cases per 100,000 people in the latest week 4 Jun-10 Jun. The average area in England had 39*. 82 cases in the latest week 4 Jun-10 Jun +51compared with the previous week 15,313 TOTAL cases to 14 Jun 636 coronavirus-related deaths registered to 21 May 79% of adults in the area have had the first dose of the vaccine to 13 Jun 63% have had the second dose There is nowhere near 100,000 people in that area but using those figures allows higher scary numbers. 636 deaths in 18 months, that's around 1.2 a day, so less than car accidents for example. And it isn't quite 6511 positive cases yesterday is it. " If you think that in one area alone, 636 people die in car accidents in one year then you're deluded. | |||
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"My figure of 6511 cases yesterday was from the Government website Please quote it as I hope it is a government figure as it will prove for all that they make it up as they go along, there is no way on earth there were 6511 positive cases in Oswestry in 3 months or even this year, let alone yesterday Google Covid cases Oswestry. I have just seen the latest figures were released on 9th June as it is now done weekly by Shropshire county council - the county of Shropshire (one of the biggest in England) had 48 positive cases in the week leading up to 9th June, slightly different from 6511 in a day. And it's the people against vaccines talking crap hahahahaha Oswestry - postcode area SY10 / SY11 Shropshire 25 cases per 100,000 people in the latest week 4 Jun-10 Jun. The average area in England had 39*. 82 cases in the latest week 4 Jun-10 Jun +51compared with the previous week 15,313 TOTAL cases to 14 Jun 636 coronavirus-related deaths registered to 21 May 79% of adults in the area have had the first dose of the vaccine to 13 Jun 63% have had the second dose There is nowhere near 100,000 people in that area but using those figures allows higher scary numbers. 636 deaths in 18 months, that's around 1.2 a day, so less than car accidents for example. And it isn't quite 6511 positive cases yesterday is it. If you think that in one area alone, 636 people die in car accidents in one year then you're deluded. " Maybe they all drive like idiots? | |||
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"I'm not having the vaccine because - how best to summarize, I have listened to all the news articles, all the opinions, all the facts and figures but basically at the end of the day in not having the vaccine : Because I don't bloody want to and its my choice. Everyone who has any comment on my decision can go screw themselves, you do what you want and so will I. " I can see you have not had any meets which is good you can keep the Delta variant to yourself. Selfish git | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens. "Nice try OP  | |||
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"So that those who are not getting vaccinated out of choice, can find like minded souls, you can register in this thread, to make it easier. . Others don't need to criticise, there are plenty of threads where that happens.
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"Not one person other than my GP knows my medical history, and so it will remain forever. I also have absolutely no desire to know yours or anyone else’s for that matter. My name will not be appearing on any list nor will I be carrying a passport. I fully intend to engage fully in society as soon as is possible - pubs, clubs, socials, holidays, gigs, you name it. Tell me I can’t and I’ll prove you wrong No no, you will have to, so all these people feel safe and if you don't they will have the right to tattoo it on your forehead " And yet ‘these people’ actually think they’re the reasonable ones. You couldn’t make it up… | |||
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"My figure of 6511 cases yesterday was from the Government website Please quote it as I hope it is a government figure as it will prove for all that they make it up as they go along, there is no way on earth there were 6511 positive cases in Oswestry in 3 months or even this year, let alone yesterday Google Covid cases Oswestry. I have just seen the latest figures were released on 9th June as it is now done weekly by Shropshire county council - the county of Shropshire (one of the biggest in England) had 48 positive cases in the week leading up to 9th June, slightly different from 6511 in a day. And it's the people against vaccines talking crap hahahahaha Oswestry - postcode area SY10 / SY11 Shropshire 25 cases per 100,000 people in the latest week 4 Jun-10 Jun. The average area in England had 39*. 82 cases in the latest week 4 Jun-10 Jun +51compared with the previous week 15,313 TOTAL cases to 14 Jun 636 coronavirus-related deaths registered to 21 May 79% of adults in the area have had the first dose of the vaccine to 13 Jun 63% have had the second dose There is nowhere near 100,000 people in that area but using those figures allows higher scary numbers. 636 deaths in 18 months, that's around 1.2 a day, so less than car accidents for example. And it isn't quite 6511 positive cases yesterday is it. " Using a baseline allows a comparable number. If 100 people live in an area and 10 are infected, that's a worse infection rate than if 200 are infected in an area with a million people. 10/100 is 10000 per 100k. 20/1000000 is 2 per 100k. The small town I made up has a worse outbreak than the city. But without the "per 100k" figure, 200 looks much worse than 10. It's not scaremongering, it's maths | |||
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"My figure of 6511 cases yesterday was from the Government website Please quote it as I hope it is a government figure as it will prove for all that they make it up as they go along, there is no way on earth there were 6511 positive cases in Oswestry in 3 months or even this year, let alone yesterday Google Covid cases Oswestry. I have just seen the latest figures were released on 9th June as it is now done weekly by Shropshire county council - the county of Shropshire (one of the biggest in England) had 48 positive cases in the week leading up to 9th June, slightly different from 6511 in a day. And it's the people against vaccines talking crap hahahahaha Oswestry - postcode area SY10 / SY11 Shropshire 25 cases per 100,000 people in the latest week 4 Jun-10 Jun. The average area in England had 39*. 82 cases in the latest week 4 Jun-10 Jun +51compared with the previous week 15,313 TOTAL cases to 14 Jun 636 coronavirus-related deaths registered to 21 May 79% of adults in the area have had the first dose of the vaccine to 13 Jun 63% have had the second dose There is nowhere near 100,000 people in that area but using those figures allows higher scary numbers. 636 deaths in 18 months, that's around 1.2 a day, so less than car accidents for example. And it isn't quite 6511 positive cases yesterday is it. " I’m agreeing with you | |||
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"To all the people saying i wont meet unvaccinated people and so forth..you can BOTH still catch covid...vaccinated or unvaccinated, the ONLY difference your Vaccine will make, is you will suffer less and have milder symptoms. Its not a shield proof bubble that covid cant get to, its not a cure. Its a vaccine it basically helps your body be ready with the correct t cells to fight any future infection. "I'm fully aware of what a vaccine is and does, you did however miss the fact that it has also been proven to reduce the risk of transmission of this virus by up to 60% after just one jab | |||
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