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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
So... measles, mumps, smallpox...?
T.B. ??"
Bacterial, but similar notion.
Antibiotics have limitations, so... Meh people gonna die, who needs life expectancy  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
So... measles, mumps, smallpox...?"
they all still exist don't they? |
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
So... measles, mumps, smallpox...?they all still exist don't they? "
Smallpox was eradicated before my 35 year old arse was born.
Measles and mumps are controlled by vaccination. |
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"It still exists in the world as does the bubonic plague"
So does gross ignorance and a refusal to accept the reality of a crisis, knuckle down and get it sorted in some..
But generally we tend to get on with life.. |
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You might help to 'cure' someone with a viral infection and you could eradicate a virus too.
It's worthwhile mitigating the effects of many viruses, to prevent greater impact on us and our societies.
With this 1, we have restrictions or vaccines. Both have value OP, use them.
The majority prefer to open back up with a delay, if it helps protect the wellbeing of the country. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"You might help to 'cure' someone with a viral infection and you could eradicate a virus too.
It's worthwhile mitigating the effects of many viruses, to prevent greater impact on us and our societies.
With this 1, we have restrictions or vaccines. Both have value OP, use them.
The majority prefer to open back up with a delay, if it helps protect the wellbeing of the country. "
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By *Marvel-Man
over a year ago
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
So... measles, mumps, smallpox...?they all still exist don't they?
Smallpox was eradicated before my 35 year old arse was born.
Measles and mumps are controlled by vaccination."
I was about to say smallpox but you beat me to it. |
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away."
It’s only going to end when enough of the idiots supporting restrictions stop and say enough of this crap.
There’s some really dumb people who still believe the fear based propaganda being spouted.
It’s literally changed their psyche. |
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By *Marvel-Man
over a year ago
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
It’s only going to end when enough of the idiots supporting restrictions stop and say enough of this crap.
There’s some really dumb people who still believe the fear based propaganda being spouted.
It’s literally changed their psyche. "
Yes stopping all restrictions is really going to stop the virus spreading.
I expect an answer to what I said being well its survival rate is 99% percent of thoughs who contract it or so on
So here's my preemptive reply. Nobody should be dying from this virus at all. So if preventing people dying means longer restrictions then so be it. People's lives are generally long. Lockdowns won't last a lifetime theres plenty of time in the future to enjoy life. |
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
It’s only going to end when enough of the idiots supporting restrictions stop and say enough of this crap.
There’s some really dumb people who still believe the fear based propaganda being spouted.
It’s literally changed their psyche.
Yes stopping all restrictions is really going to stop the virus spreading.
I expect an answer to what I said being well its survival rate is 99% percent of thoughs who contract it or so on
So here's my preemptive reply. Nobody should be dying from this virus at all. So if preventing people dying means longer restrictions then so be it. People's lives are generally long. Lockdowns won't last a lifetime theres plenty of time in the future to enjoy life. "
Some of the "reasoning" surrounding infectious disease is just mad. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
It’s only going to end when enough of the idiots supporting restrictions stop and say enough of this crap.
There’s some really dumb people who still believe the fear based propaganda being spouted.
It’s literally changed their psyche.
Yes stopping all restrictions is really going to stop the virus spreading.
I expect an answer to what I said being well its survival rate is 99% percent of thoughs who contract it or so on
So here's my preemptive reply. Nobody should be dying from this virus at all. So if preventing people dying means longer restrictions then so be it. People's lives are generally long. Lockdowns won't last a lifetime theres plenty of time in the future to enjoy life. "
I suppose at 33 your future life is likely to be quiet a bit longer than mine. |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
It’s only going to end when enough of the idiots supporting restrictions stop and say enough of this crap.
There’s some really dumb people who still believe the fear based propaganda being spouted.
It’s literally changed their psyche. "
Do you have that cut and paste ready? Because you post it on pretty much every thread in the virus forum.
And take zero notice of any replies.
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"The media is the virus "
The spreaders of manipulative antivax and similar BS are the virus, helping to fill the bank accounts of the few as well as foreign enemy states to prosper from our stupidity. |
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"The media is the virus
The spreaders of manipulative antivax and similar BS are the virus, helping to fill the bank accounts of the few as well as foreign enemy states to prosper from our stupidity. "
So much |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away."
Same as we do with the flu would be my first thought.
Now we have a vaccine it can be "tuned" the same as the flu vaccine is every year.
Once those who can be vaccinated against Covid, we've hit herd immunity and the variants are being treated, why would we not go back to the way things were, or at least a facsimile of?
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PS, I don't think it's bullshit. Any of it. |
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By *Marvel-Man
over a year ago
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"Just glad it wasnt Ebola hitting our shores.
Now that would be something to be scared of."
There's already an ebola vaccine even if it did, which from memory is something like 97% effective. Anti vaxers would still refuse it though. |
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"Just glad it wasnt Ebola hitting our shores.
Now that would be something to be scared of.
There's already an ebola vaccine even if it did, which from memory is something like 97% effective. Anti vaxers would still refuse it though. "
I don't think they would refuse to be honest. |
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"It still exists in the world as does the bubonic plague"
We can now cure bubonic plague with antibiotics. We can't cure any viral diseases completely. The way in which viruses replicate (by hijacking host cells and sometimes integrating their DNA or RNA with the host) means they are much more difficult to attack with meds. They are nothing more than a glorified lump of fat and protein, nothing metabolically active to target like we have with antibiotics. Vaccination is our best solution to viruses right now. |
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"It still exists in the world as does the bubonic plague"
The last death from Smallpox was September 11th 1978, Janet Parker in Birmingham UK.
The last samples of Smallpox are kept at two facilities, one in the USA and one in Russia.
For more information reference Wikipedia
“Smallpox virus retention debate” |
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
It’s only going to end when enough of the idiots supporting restrictions stop and say enough of this crap.
There’s some really dumb people who still believe the fear based propaganda being spouted.
It’s literally changed their psyche. "
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"Just glad it wasnt Ebola hitting our shores.
Just monkey pox"
Moneypox isn't going to spread, unless someone releases hoardes of infected monkeys, prairie dogs etc. You need exceptionally close and prolonged contact with someone for it to spread. We don't know much about the cases in Wales, but what we do know is the index case has spread it only to family members. What we don't know is how they acquired the infection or where. If they have petted a wild animal in a safari type park or have a pet monkey or prairie dog (happens) then actually it might have been disseminated from an animal to all of the people in that family group. I am unconcerned about monkeypox..... |
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
It’s only going to end when enough of the idiots supporting restrictions stop and say enough of this crap.
There’s some really dumb people who still believe the fear based propaganda being spouted.
It’s literally changed their psyche.
Yes stopping all restrictions is really going to stop the virus spreading.
I expect an answer to what I said being well its survival rate is 99% percent of thoughs who contract it or so on
So here's my preemptive reply. Nobody should be dying from this virus at all. So if preventing people dying means longer restrictions then so be it. People's lives are generally long. Lockdowns won't last a lifetime theres plenty of time in the future to enjoy life. "
Those that state 99% chance of survival... would they go to watch England at a full capacity match at Wembley knowing that 10 of the spectators would be randomly shot dead ever minute during the game? That would also be a 99% survival rate |
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"Just glad it wasnt Ebola hitting our shores.
Just monkey pox
Moneypox isn't going to spread, unless someone releases hoardes of infected monkeys, prairie dogs etc. You need exceptionally close and prolonged contact with someone for it to spread. We don't know much about the cases in Wales, but what we do know is the index case has spread it only to family members. What we don't know is how they acquired the infection or where. If they have petted a wild animal in a safari type park or have a pet monkey or prairie dog (happens) then actually it might have been disseminated from an animal to all of the people in that family group. I am unconcerned about monkeypox....."
The monkeypox incident does however illustrate the piss-poor biosecurity applied at our borders. I am kind of assuming that monkeypox is not native to the UK (seems reasonable, as we have no native monkeys?), thus whatever animal this family contracted it from must have been recently brought into the country without proper quarantine & health checks. Where one animal has been brought in unchecked, you can absolutely bet that a shitload of foreign creatures are arriving unchecked.
So what disease do we fancy being brought in by the next twat that smuggles a screaming hairy armadillo or a Central Bahamian Rock Iguana or a Philippine tube-nosed fruit bat or a Bornean ferret-badger into the country? Anybody fancy contracting ferret-badger-pox or armadillo phage? The next one could be something really lethal for all we know... |
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"Just glad it wasnt Ebola hitting our shores.
Just monkey pox
Moneypox isn't going to spread, unless someone releases hoardes of infected monkeys, prairie dogs etc. You need exceptionally close and prolonged contact with someone for it to spread. We don't know much about the cases in Wales, but what we do know is the index case has spread it only to family members. What we don't know is how they acquired the infection or where. If they have petted a wild animal in a safari type park or have a pet monkey or prairie dog (happens) then actually it might have been disseminated from an animal to all of the people in that family group. I am unconcerned about monkeypox.....
The monkeypox incident does however illustrate the piss-poor biosecurity applied at our borders. I am kind of assuming that monkeypox is not native to the UK (seems reasonable, as we have no native monkeys?), thus whatever animal this family contracted it from must have been recently brought into the country without proper quarantine & health checks. Where one animal has been brought in unchecked, you can absolutely bet that a shitload of foreign creatures are arriving unchecked.
So what disease do we fancy being brought in by the next twat that smuggles a screaming hairy armadillo or a Central Bahamian Rock Iguana or a Philippine tube-nosed fruit bat or a Bornean ferret-badger into the country? Anybody fancy contracting ferret-badger-pox or armadillo phage? The next one could be something really lethal for all we know..."
You are correct that it's not present in any native animals. But I'm also of the understanding that animals can show no signs of it but can be infectious. That said, it's pretty rare, in both humans and animals......
It's closely related to other pox viruses and has similar symptoms. |
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"Just glad it wasnt Ebola hitting our shores.
Just monkey pox
Moneypox isn't going to spread, unless someone releases hoardes of infected monkeys, prairie dogs etc. You need exceptionally close and prolonged contact with someone for it to spread. We don't know much about the cases in Wales, but what we do know is the index case has spread it only to family members. What we don't know is how they acquired the infection or where. If they have petted a wild animal in a safari type park or have a pet monkey or prairie dog (happens) then actually it might have been disseminated from an animal to all of the people in that family group. I am unconcerned about monkeypox.....
The monkeypox incident does however illustrate the piss-poor biosecurity applied at our borders. I am kind of assuming that monkeypox is not native to the UK (seems reasonable, as we have no native monkeys?), thus whatever animal this family contracted it from must have been recently brought into the country without proper quarantine & health checks. Where one animal has been brought in unchecked, you can absolutely bet that a shitload of foreign creatures are arriving unchecked.
So what disease do we fancy being brought in by the next twat that smuggles a screaming hairy armadillo or a Central Bahamian Rock Iguana or a Philippine tube-nosed fruit bat or a Bornean ferret-badger into the country? Anybody fancy contracting ferret-badger-pox or armadillo phage? The next one could be something really lethal for all we know..."
It has been reported by PHE that the index case was caught abroad so the infected animal is not here |
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"Just glad it wasnt Ebola hitting our shores.
Just monkey pox
Moneypox isn't going to spread, unless someone releases hoardes of infected monkeys, prairie dogs etc. You need exceptionally close and prolonged contact with someone for it to spread. We don't know much about the cases in Wales, but what we do know is the index case has spread it only to family members. What we don't know is how they acquired the infection or where. If they have petted a wild animal in a safari type park or have a pet monkey or prairie dog (happens) then actually it might have been disseminated from an animal to all of the people in that family group. I am unconcerned about monkeypox.....
The monkeypox incident does however illustrate the piss-poor biosecurity applied at our borders. I am kind of assuming that monkeypox is not native to the UK (seems reasonable, as we have no native monkeys?), thus whatever animal this family contracted it from must have been recently brought into the country without proper quarantine & health checks. Where one animal has been brought in unchecked, you can absolutely bet that a shitload of foreign creatures are arriving unchecked.
So what disease do we fancy being brought in by the next twat that smuggles a screaming hairy armadillo or a Central Bahamian Rock Iguana or a Philippine tube-nosed fruit bat or a Bornean ferret-badger into the country? Anybody fancy contracting ferret-badger-pox or armadillo phage? The next one could be something really lethal for all we know...
It has been reported by PHE that the index case was caught abroad so the infected animal is not here"
That's reassuring in one way. However it would mean that the subsequent cases were passed by human to human transmission, and we were just lucky that this wasn't the start of another epidemic. The root problem is world wide movement of infected creatures without adequate biosecurity measures. And yes, I'm including human beings in "creatures". |
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"Just glad it wasnt Ebola hitting our shores.
Just monkey pox
Moneypox isn't going to spread, unless someone releases hoardes of infected monkeys, prairie dogs etc. You need exceptionally close and prolonged contact with someone for it to spread. We don't know much about the cases in Wales, but what we do know is the index case has spread it only to family members. What we don't know is how they acquired the infection or where. If they have petted a wild animal in a safari type park or have a pet monkey or prairie dog (happens) then actually it might have been disseminated from an animal to all of the people in that family group. I am unconcerned about monkeypox.....
The monkeypox incident does however illustrate the piss-poor biosecurity applied at our borders. I am kind of assuming that monkeypox is not native to the UK (seems reasonable, as we have no native monkeys?), thus whatever animal this family contracted it from must have been recently brought into the country without proper quarantine & health checks. Where one animal has been brought in unchecked, you can absolutely bet that a shitload of foreign creatures are arriving unchecked.
So what disease do we fancy being brought in by the next twat that smuggles a screaming hairy armadillo or a Central Bahamian Rock Iguana or a Philippine tube-nosed fruit bat or a Bornean ferret-badger into the country? Anybody fancy contracting ferret-badger-pox or armadillo phage? The next one could be something really lethal for all we know...
It has been reported by PHE that the index case was caught abroad so the infected animal is not here
That's reassuring in one way. However it would mean that the subsequent cases were passed by human to human transmission, and we were just lucky that this wasn't the start of another epidemic. The root problem is world wide movement of infected creatures without adequate biosecurity measures. And yes, I'm including human beings in "creatures"."
It's transmission within a family group. You need very close and prolonged contact to spread monkeypox human to human. I'm going to guess it's transmission between parents and children or between siblings. |
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"Just glad it wasnt Ebola hitting our shores.
Just monkey pox
Moneypox isn't going to spread, unless someone releases hoardes of infected monkeys, prairie dogs etc. You need exceptionally close and prolonged contact with someone for it to spread. We don't know much about the cases in Wales, but what we do know is the index case has spread it only to family members. What we don't know is how they acquired the infection or where. If they have petted a wild animal in a safari type park or have a pet monkey or prairie dog (happens) then actually it might have been disseminated from an animal to all of the people in that family group. I am unconcerned about monkeypox.....
The monkeypox incident does however illustrate the piss-poor biosecurity applied at our borders. I am kind of assuming that monkeypox is not native to the UK (seems reasonable, as we have no native monkeys?), thus whatever animal this family contracted it from must have been recently brought into the country without proper quarantine & health checks. Where one animal has been brought in unchecked, you can absolutely bet that a shitload of foreign creatures are arriving unchecked.
So what disease do we fancy being brought in by the next twat that smuggles a screaming hairy armadillo or a Central Bahamian Rock Iguana or a Philippine tube-nosed fruit bat or a Bornean ferret-badger into the country? Anybody fancy contracting ferret-badger-pox or armadillo phage? The next one could be something really lethal for all we know...
It has been reported by PHE that the index case was caught abroad so the infected animal is not here
That's reassuring in one way. However it would mean that the subsequent cases were passed by human to human transmission, and we were just lucky that this wasn't the start of another epidemic. The root problem is world wide movement of infected creatures without adequate biosecurity measures. And yes, I'm including human beings in "creatures".
It's transmission within a family group. You need very close and prolonged contact to spread monkeypox human to human. I'm going to guess it's transmission between parents and children or between siblings."
In your opinion, are there any sensible and proportionate measures that could be taken to reduce the probability of similar types of event in the future? Not my specialism (ie. please do tell me if I'm talking b*ll*cks!) but the majority of human-novel diseases originate in contact between species that have historically been isolated? And a major cause of previously isolated species coming into contact is human activity - whether that's logging that drives one type of animal to a new habitat, or the wealthy bored wanting the taste sensation of eating an endangered species, or tourists looking for that "oh it's so cute to play with baby furry creatures" experience.
Do these things need better control, and is there anything that we could actually do in practice? |
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"Just glad it wasnt Ebola hitting our shores.
Just monkey pox
Moneypox isn't going to spread, unless someone releases hoardes of infected monkeys, prairie dogs etc. You need exceptionally close and prolonged contact with someone for it to spread. We don't know much about the cases in Wales, but what we do know is the index case has spread it only to family members. What we don't know is how they acquired the infection or where. If they have petted a wild animal in a safari type park or have a pet monkey or prairie dog (happens) then actually it might have been disseminated from an animal to all of the people in that family group. I am unconcerned about monkeypox.....
The monkeypox incident does however illustrate the piss-poor biosecurity applied at our borders. I am kind of assuming that monkeypox is not native to the UK (seems reasonable, as we have no native monkeys?), thus whatever animal this family contracted it from must have been recently brought into the country without proper quarantine & health checks. Where one animal has been brought in unchecked, you can absolutely bet that a shitload of foreign creatures are arriving unchecked.
So what disease do we fancy being brought in by the next twat that smuggles a screaming hairy armadillo or a Central Bahamian Rock Iguana or a Philippine tube-nosed fruit bat or a Bornean ferret-badger into the country? Anybody fancy contracting ferret-badger-pox or armadillo phage? The next one could be something really lethal for all we know...
It has been reported by PHE that the index case was caught abroad so the infected animal is not here
That's reassuring in one way. However it would mean that the subsequent cases were passed by human to human transmission, and we were just lucky that this wasn't the start of another epidemic. The root problem is world wide movement of infected creatures without adequate biosecurity measures. And yes, I'm including human beings in "creatures".
It's transmission within a family group. You need very close and prolonged contact to spread monkeypox human to human. I'm going to guess it's transmission between parents and children or between siblings.
In your opinion, are there any sensible and proportionate measures that could be taken to reduce the probability of similar types of event in the future? Not my specialism (ie. please do tell me if I'm talking b*ll*cks!) but the majority of human-novel diseases originate in contact between species that have historically been isolated? And a major cause of previously isolated species coming into contact is human activity - whether that's logging that drives one type of animal to a new habitat, or the wealthy bored wanting the taste sensation of eating an endangered species, or tourists looking for that "oh it's so cute to play with baby furry creatures" experience.
Do these things need better control, and is there anything that we could actually do in practice?"
Zoonotic transmission definitely needs more attention, I gather. |
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"Just glad it wasnt Ebola hitting our shores.
Just monkey pox
Moneypox isn't going to spread, unless someone releases hoardes of infected monkeys, prairie dogs etc. You need exceptionally close and prolonged contact with someone for it to spread. We don't know much about the cases in Wales, but what we do know is the index case has spread it only to family members. What we don't know is how they acquired the infection or where. If they have petted a wild animal in a safari type park or have a pet monkey or prairie dog (happens) then actually it might have been disseminated from an animal to all of the people in that family group. I am unconcerned about monkeypox.....
The monkeypox incident does however illustrate the piss-poor biosecurity applied at our borders. I am kind of assuming that monkeypox is not native to the UK (seems reasonable, as we have no native monkeys?), thus whatever animal this family contracted it from must have been recently brought into the country without proper quarantine & health checks. Where one animal has been brought in unchecked, you can absolutely bet that a shitload of foreign creatures are arriving unchecked.
So what disease do we fancy being brought in by the next twat that smuggles a screaming hairy armadillo or a Central Bahamian Rock Iguana or a Philippine tube-nosed fruit bat or a Bornean ferret-badger into the country? Anybody fancy contracting ferret-badger-pox or armadillo phage? The next one could be something really lethal for all we know...
It has been reported by PHE that the index case was caught abroad so the infected animal is not here
That's reassuring in one way. However it would mean that the subsequent cases were passed by human to human transmission, and we were just lucky that this wasn't the start of another epidemic. The root problem is world wide movement of infected creatures without adequate biosecurity measures. And yes, I'm including human beings in "creatures".
It's transmission within a family group. You need very close and prolonged contact to spread monkeypox human to human. I'm going to guess it's transmission between parents and children or between siblings.
In your opinion, are there any sensible and proportionate measures that could be taken to reduce the probability of similar types of event in the future? Not my specialism (ie. please do tell me if I'm talking b*ll*cks!) but the majority of human-novel diseases originate in contact between species that have historically been isolated? And a major cause of previously isolated species coming into contact is human activity - whether that's logging that drives one type of animal to a new habitat, or the wealthy bored wanting the taste sensation of eating an endangered species, or tourists looking for that "oh it's so cute to play with baby furry creatures" experience.
Do these things need better control, and is there anything that we could actually do in practice?
Zoonotic transmission definitely needs more attention, I gather."
Theres scientists who's jobs are to study just this. They go around looking for yet unknown viruses in different viral hot spots too determine if they could possibly pose a future problem.
Theres been a few documentaries about them. One I watched earlier this year was called the Virus Hunters. |
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Theres been a few documentaries about them. One I watched earlier this year was called the Virus Hunters. "
So like Salvage Hunters then just a little less patina.  |
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"Just glad it wasnt Ebola hitting our shores.
Just monkey pox
Moneypox isn't going to spread, unless someone releases hoardes of infected monkeys, prairie dogs etc. You need exceptionally close and prolonged contact with someone for it to spread. We don't know much about the cases in Wales, but what we do know is the index case has spread it only to family members. What we don't know is how they acquired the infection or where. If they have petted a wild animal in a safari type park or have a pet monkey or prairie dog (happens) then actually it might have been disseminated from an animal to all of the people in that family group. I am unconcerned about monkeypox.....
The monkeypox incident does however illustrate the piss-poor biosecurity applied at our borders. I am kind of assuming that monkeypox is not native to the UK (seems reasonable, as we have no native monkeys?), thus whatever animal this family contracted it from must have been recently brought into the country without proper quarantine & health checks. Where one animal has been brought in unchecked, you can absolutely bet that a shitload of foreign creatures are arriving unchecked.
So what disease do we fancy being brought in by the next twat that smuggles a screaming hairy armadillo or a Central Bahamian Rock Iguana or a Philippine tube-nosed fruit bat or a Bornean ferret-badger into the country? Anybody fancy contracting ferret-badger-pox or armadillo phage? The next one could be something really lethal for all we know...
It has been reported by PHE that the index case was caught abroad so the infected animal is not here
That's reassuring in one way. However it would mean that the subsequent cases were passed by human to human transmission, and we were just lucky that this wasn't the start of another epidemic. The root problem is world wide movement of infected creatures without adequate biosecurity measures. And yes, I'm including human beings in "creatures".
It's transmission within a family group. You need very close and prolonged contact to spread monkeypox human to human. I'm going to guess it's transmission between parents and children or between siblings.
In your opinion, are there any sensible and proportionate measures that could be taken to reduce the probability of similar types of event in the future? Not my specialism (ie. please do tell me if I'm talking b*ll*cks!) but the majority of human-novel diseases originate in contact between species that have historically been isolated? And a major cause of previously isolated species coming into contact is human activity - whether that's logging that drives one type of animal to a new habitat, or the wealthy bored wanting the taste sensation of eating an endangered species, or tourists looking for that "oh it's so cute to play with baby furry creatures" experience.
Do these things need better control, and is there anything that we could actually do in practice?
Zoonotic transmission definitely needs more attention, I gather.
Theres scientists who's jobs are to study just this. They go around looking for yet unknown viruses in different viral hot spots too determine if they could possibly pose a future problem.
Theres been a few documentaries about them. One I watched earlier this year was called the Virus Hunters. "
Absolutely. Heard some interesting podcasts with the head of Eco Health Alliance. I gather a growing threat.
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away."
Yes and no. Our resistance to it will improve so hopefully it will be more like Flu.
But it’s not going to go away. |
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Theres been a few documentaries about them. One I watched earlier this year was called the Virus Hunters.
So like Salvage Hunters then just a little less patina. "
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"Just glad it wasnt Ebola hitting our shores.
Just monkey pox
Moneypox isn't going to spread, unless someone releases hoardes of infected monkeys, prairie dogs etc. You need exceptionally close and prolonged contact with someone for it to spread. We don't know much about the cases in Wales, but what we do know is the index case has spread it only to family members. What we don't know is how they acquired the infection or where. If they have petted a wild animal in a safari type park or have a pet monkey or prairie dog (happens) then actually it might have been disseminated from an animal to all of the people in that family group. I am unconcerned about monkeypox.....
The monkeypox incident does however illustrate the piss-poor biosecurity applied at our borders. I am kind of assuming that monkeypox is not native to the UK (seems reasonable, as we have no native monkeys?), thus whatever animal this family contracted it from must have been recently brought into the country without proper quarantine & health checks. Where one animal has been brought in unchecked, you can absolutely bet that a shitload of foreign creatures are arriving unchecked.
So what disease do we fancy being brought in by the next twat that smuggles a screaming hairy armadillo or a Central Bahamian Rock Iguana or a Philippine tube-nosed fruit bat or a Bornean ferret-badger into the country? Anybody fancy contracting ferret-badger-pox or armadillo phage? The next one could be something really lethal for all we know...
It has been reported by PHE that the index case was caught abroad so the infected animal is not here
That's reassuring in one way. However it would mean that the subsequent cases were passed by human to human transmission, and we were just lucky that this wasn't the start of another epidemic. The root problem is world wide movement of infected creatures without adequate biosecurity measures. And yes, I'm including human beings in "creatures".
It's transmission within a family group. You need very close and prolonged contact to spread monkeypox human to human. I'm going to guess it's transmission between parents and children or between siblings.
In your opinion, are there any sensible and proportionate measures that could be taken to reduce the probability of similar types of event in the future? Not my specialism (ie. please do tell me if I'm talking b*ll*cks!) but the majority of human-novel diseases originate in contact between species that have historically been isolated? And a major cause of previously isolated species coming into contact is human activity - whether that's logging that drives one type of animal to a new habitat, or the wealthy bored wanting the taste sensation of eating an endangered species, or tourists looking for that "oh it's so cute to play with baby furry creatures" experience.
Do these things need better control, and is there anything that we could actually do in practice?"
I'm not sure how you avoid importing a disease acquired in another country. British people import malaria and all sorts of other diseases every year, it's just we handle them quickly and we don't have the mechanism of spread for many such diseases. Short of supervised quarantine for every person entering the UK (duration?), I don't think you can stop importation of disease. We take our diseases abroad too!
We do need robust biosecurity mechanisms and to clamp down on the illegal import of wild animals and other flora/fauna. |
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
It’s only going to end when enough of the idiots supporting restrictions stop and say enough of this crap.
There’s some really dumb people who still believe the fear based propaganda being spouted.
It’s literally changed their psyche. "
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
So... measles, mumps, smallpox...?"
....... flu? Colds? |
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
So... measles, mumps, smallpox...?
....... flu? Colds?"
And without regular vaccination measles and mumps come back pretty quickly.
The problem is this is a virus more akin for colds and flu. It mutates readily and spreads easily.
We need to keep vaccinating. Maybe twice yearly. |
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Yes we will have to live with it but it is within mans ability to reduce the peak of each wave to reduce the death toll and to minimise the suffering."
Does anyone really believe the viruses we all suffer from are natural. Well look shell shocked because they're not. They're man made and it wouldn't surprise me that the people who 'invent' them are the same people who bring out the medicine for them. The 'people' who do this don't have a care in the world about humanity suffering. t's a sick world we live in so to speak. |
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"Oh dear, he’s back again
Yes we will have to live with it but it is within mans ability to reduce the peak of each wave to reduce the death toll and to minimise the suffering.
Does anyone really believe the viruses we all suffer from are natural. Well look shell shocked because they're not. They're man made and it wouldn't surprise me that the people who 'invent' them are the same people who bring out the medicine for them. The 'people' who do this don't have a care in the world about humanity suffering. t's a sick world we live in so to speak. "
In my years of doing Pharmacy I've heard this multiple times and the answers there's no conspiracy to infect all mankind. |
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"Oh dear, he’s back again
Yes we will have to live with it but it is within mans ability to reduce the peak of each wave to reduce the death toll and to minimise the suffering.
Does anyone really believe the viruses we all suffer from are natural. Well look shell shocked because they're not. They're man made and it wouldn't surprise me that the people who 'invent' them are the same people who bring out the medicine for them. The 'people' who do this don't have a care in the world about humanity suffering. t's a sick world we live in so to speak. "
Presumably you have some evidence for this far-fetched and frankly loony statement?
What about the viruses that infect plants, like tobacco mosaic virus? Or the bacteriophages that infect bacteria? Are those not natural either, or were you unaware of the extent of viral existence? |
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"Oh dear, he’s back again
Yes we will have to live with it but it is within mans ability to reduce the peak of each wave to reduce the death toll and to minimise the suffering.
Does anyone really believe the viruses we all suffer from are natural. Well look shell shocked because they're not. They're man made and it wouldn't surprise me that the people who 'invent' them are the same people who bring out the medicine for them. The 'people' who do this don't have a care in the world about humanity suffering. t's a sick world we live in so to speak.
In my years of doing Pharmacy I've heard this multiple times and the answers there's no conspiracy to infect all mankind. "
So are you saying that viruses are not man made ?....well if you can believe that, you can believe anything. Many of it is all lies. For example, it's like when they said HIV 'turns into' AIDS which is complete bollocks. People get the HIV vaccine and surprise surprise, you get AIDS. It's what they put in the vaccine which causes your immune system to shut down. So man made ! |
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"Oh dear, he’s back again
Yes we will have to live with it but it is within mans ability to reduce the peak of each wave to reduce the death toll and to minimise the suffering.
Does anyone really believe the viruses we all suffer from are natural. Well look shell shocked because they're not. They're man made and it wouldn't surprise me that the people who 'invent' them are the same people who bring out the medicine for them. The 'people' who do this don't have a care in the world about humanity suffering. t's a sick world we live in so to speak.
In my years of doing Pharmacy I've heard this multiple times and the answers there's no conspiracy to infect all mankind.
So are you saying that viruses are not man made ?....well if you can believe that, you can believe anything. Many of it is all lies. For example, it's like when they said HIV 'turns into' AIDS which is complete bollocks. People get the HIV vaccine and surprise surprise, you get AIDS. It's what they put in the vaccine which causes your immune system to shut down. So man made ! "
What utter claptrap. HIV (human immunodeficiency virus) infects CD4+ T-cells. These are essential for your immune system to function. If the virus is allowed to continue unchecked in an infected individual, their CD4+ T-cell count will eventually decline to the point where their immune system cannot function. This is the definition of AIDS (acquired immunodeficiency syndrome).
AIDS is very rare indeed in the Western world, because we have anti-viral suppressants which keep the virus levels reasonably low and therefore the patient's CD4+ T-cell count remains in the range where the immune system can function. |
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"Oh dear, he’s back again
Yes we will have to live with it but it is within mans ability to reduce the peak of each wave to reduce the death toll and to minimise the suffering.
Does anyone really believe the viruses we all suffer from are natural. Well look shell shocked because they're not. They're man made and it wouldn't surprise me that the people who 'invent' them are the same people who bring out the medicine for them. The 'people' who do this don't have a care in the world about humanity suffering. t's a sick world we live in so to speak.
In my years of doing Pharmacy I've heard this multiple times and the answers there's no conspiracy to infect all mankind.
So are you saying that viruses are not man made ?....well if you can believe that, you can believe anything. Many of it is all lies. For example, it's like when they said HIV 'turns into' AIDS which is complete bollocks. People get the HIV vaccine and surprise surprise, you get AIDS. It's what they put in the vaccine which causes your immune system to shut down. So man made !
What utter claptrap. HIV (human immunodeficiency virus) infects CD4+ T-cells. These are essential for your immune system to function. If the virus is allowed to continue unchecked in an infected individual, their CD4+ T-cell count will eventually decline to the point where their immune system cannot function. This is the definition of AIDS (acquired immunodeficiency syndrome).
AIDS is very rare indeed in the Western world, because we have anti-viral suppressants which keep the virus levels reasonably low and therefore the patient's CD4+ T-cell count remains in the range where the immune system can function."
So where does HIV come from then ? |
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"Oh dear, he’s back again
Yes we will have to live with it but it is within mans ability to reduce the peak of each wave to reduce the death toll and to minimise the suffering.
Does anyone really believe the viruses we all suffer from are natural. Well look shell shocked because they're not. They're man made and it wouldn't surprise me that the people who 'invent' them are the same people who bring out the medicine for them. The 'people' who do this don't have a care in the world about humanity suffering. t's a sick world we live in so to speak.
In my years of doing Pharmacy I've heard this multiple times and the answers there's no conspiracy to infect all mankind.
So are you saying that viruses are not man made ?....well if you can believe that, you can believe anything. Many of it is all lies. For example, it's like when they said HIV 'turns into' AIDS which is complete bollocks. People get the HIV vaccine and surprise surprise, you get AIDS. It's what they put in the vaccine which causes your immune system to shut down. So man made !
What utter claptrap. HIV (human immunodeficiency virus) infects CD4+ T-cells. These are essential for your immune system to function. If the virus is allowed to continue unchecked in an infected individual, their CD4+ T-cell count will eventually decline to the point where their immune system cannot function. This is the definition of AIDS (acquired immunodeficiency syndrome).
AIDS is very rare indeed in the Western world, because we have anti-viral suppressants which keep the virus levels reasonably low and therefore the patient's CD4+ T-cell count remains in the range where the immune system can function.
So where does HIV come from then ? "
HIV is very similar to SIV (simian immunodeficiency virus) which infects apes. The hypothesis is that SIV mutated and became something that would infect humans. This wouldn't take much alteration to the viral genetic code because humans and apes are genetically extremely similar. Having an open wound and getting infected ape blood in that would have been enough for the first infections, so bushmeat and hunting are probable sources of the original infection. |
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"Oh dear, he’s back again
Yes we will have to live with it but it is within mans ability to reduce the peak of each wave to reduce the death toll and to minimise the suffering.
Does anyone really believe the viruses we all suffer from are natural. Well look shell shocked because they're not. They're man made and it wouldn't surprise me that the people who 'invent' them are the same people who bring out the medicine for them. The 'people' who do this don't have a care in the world about humanity suffering. t's a sick world we live in so to speak.
In my years of doing Pharmacy I've heard this multiple times and the answers there's no conspiracy to infect all mankind.
So are you saying that viruses are not man made ?....well if you can believe that, you can believe anything. Many of it is all lies. For example, it's like when they said HIV 'turns into' AIDS which is complete bollocks. People get the HIV vaccine and surprise surprise, you get AIDS. It's what they put in the vaccine which causes your immune system to shut down. So man made !
What utter claptrap. HIV (human immunodeficiency virus) infects CD4+ T-cells. These are essential for your immune system to function. If the virus is allowed to continue unchecked in an infected individual, their CD4+ T-cell count will eventually decline to the point where their immune system cannot function. This is the definition of AIDS (acquired immunodeficiency syndrome).
AIDS is very rare indeed in the Western world, because we have anti-viral suppressants which keep the virus levels reasonably low and therefore the patient's CD4+ T-cell count remains in the range where the immune system can function.
So where does HIV come from then ?
HIV is very similar to SIV (simian immunodeficiency virus) which infects apes. The hypothesis is that SIV mutated and became something that would infect humans. This wouldn't take much alteration to the viral genetic code because humans and apes are genetically extremely similar. Having an open wound and getting infected ape blood in that would have been enough for the first infections, so bushmeat and hunting are probable sources of the original infection."
It's the changing of the gentic code and then it being integrated into the human chain which is diffictult to accept. It's easy to say SIV in apes mutated and became HIV in humans because humans are like apes but I don't think it's that straight forward....there has to be more to it than that. |
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Yup. But we will hopefully get better, safer vaccines and establish early treatment protocols which will render it an expense and an inconvenience, but no longer a crisis. |
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"Oh dear, he’s back again
Yes we will have to live with it but it is within mans ability to reduce the peak of each wave to reduce the death toll and to minimise the suffering.
Does anyone really believe the viruses we all suffer from are natural. Well look shell shocked because they're not. They're man made and it wouldn't surprise me that the people who 'invent' them are the same people who bring out the medicine for them. The 'people' who do this don't have a care in the world about humanity suffering. t's a sick world we live in so to speak.
In my years of doing Pharmacy I've heard this multiple times and the answers there's no conspiracy to infect all mankind.
So are you saying that viruses are not man made ?....well if you can believe that, you can believe anything. Many of it is all lies. For example, it's like when they said HIV 'turns into' AIDS which is complete bollocks. People get the HIV vaccine and surprise surprise, you get AIDS. It's what they put in the vaccine which causes your immune system to shut down. So man made ! "
What you just said is nonsense. Anyway if all viruses are man made let's predate modern science and look at previous viral outbreaks.
The sweating sickness from 1528 is believed to be caused by the Hantavirus. Clearly this wasn't man made.
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"Oh dear, he’s back again
Yes we will have to live with it but it is within mans ability to reduce the peak of each wave to reduce the death toll and to minimise the suffering.
Does anyone really believe the viruses we all suffer from are natural. Well look shell shocked because they're not. They're man made and it wouldn't surprise me that the people who 'invent' them are the same people who bring out the medicine for them. The 'people' who do this don't have a care in the world about humanity suffering. t's a sick world we live in so to speak.
In my years of doing Pharmacy I've heard this multiple times and the answers there's no conspiracy to infect all mankind.
So are you saying that viruses are not man made ?....well if you can believe that, you can believe anything. Many of it is all lies. For example, it's like when they said HIV 'turns into' AIDS which is complete bollocks. People get the HIV vaccine and surprise surprise, you get AIDS. It's what they put in the vaccine which causes your immune system to shut down. So man made !
What utter claptrap. HIV (human immunodeficiency virus) infects CD4+ T-cells. These are essential for your immune system to function. If the virus is allowed to continue unchecked in an infected individual, their CD4+ T-cell count will eventually decline to the point where their immune system cannot function. This is the definition of AIDS (acquired immunodeficiency syndrome).
AIDS is very rare indeed in the Western world, because we have anti-viral suppressants which keep the virus levels reasonably low and therefore the patient's CD4+ T-cell count remains in the range where the immune system can function.
So where does HIV come from then ?
HIV is very similar to SIV (simian immunodeficiency virus) which infects apes. The hypothesis is that SIV mutated and became something that would infect humans. This wouldn't take much alteration to the viral genetic code because humans and apes are genetically extremely similar. Having an open wound and getting infected ape blood in that would have been enough for the first infections, so bushmeat and hunting are probable sources of the original infection.
It's the changing of the gentic code and then it being integrated into the human chain which is diffictult to accept. It's easy to say SIV in apes mutated and became HIV in humans because humans are like apes but I don't think it's that straight forward....there has to be more to it than that. "
No, there really doesn’t. Viruses regularly mutate in order to survive, COVID has done it in full view of the world with the different variants so far.
The rhinovirus group which causes the common cold has about 200 variants, if I recall correctly. Nothing sinister there, it’s completely natural and has been around a long time before human technology could have had any influence.
As far as I know there’s nothing to have stopped SIV undergoing one or more changes to happen upon one that made it into HIV and be as effective/difficult to treat as it has been.
On the nanoscopic scale at which this stuff occurs, which is hard to comprehend in the macroscale world we experience, the sheer numbers of potential changes constantly being played out must be simply staggering. We see the few changes that work and take hold, not the trillions that don’t.
To me, the reason most conspiracy theories exist is that they provide a figurehead to blame, to vent at for things that upset the norm or challenge a belief.
For some it’s easier to accept:
‘Someone did this’
than:
‘This happens all the time, has happened for billions of years and will carry on as you can’t stop it, and any one development could be lethal for one or more species’. That’s kind of a headfuck for a lot of people.
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Yes we will have to live with it but it is within mans ability to reduce the peak of each wave to reduce the death toll and to minimise the suffering.
Does anyone really believe the viruses we all suffer from are natural. Well look shell shocked because they're not. They're man made and it wouldn't surprise me that the people who 'invent' them are the same people who bring out the medicine for them. The 'people' who do this don't have a care in the world about humanity suffering. t's a sick world we live in so to speak.
In my years of doing Pharmacy I've heard this multiple times and the answers there's no conspiracy to infect all mankind.
So are you saying that viruses are not man made ?....well if you can believe that, you can believe anything. Many of it is all lies. For example, it's like when they said HIV 'turns into' AIDS which is complete bollocks. People get the HIV vaccine and surprise surprise, you get AIDS. It's what they put in the vaccine which causes your immune system to shut down. So man made !
What utter claptrap. HIV (human immunodeficiency virus) infects CD4+ T-cells. These are essential for your immune system to function. If the virus is allowed to continue unchecked in an infected individual, their CD4+ T-cell count will eventually decline to the point where their immune system cannot function. This is the definition of AIDS (acquired immunodeficiency syndrome).
AIDS is very rare indeed in the Western world, because we have anti-viral suppressants which keep the virus levels reasonably low and therefore the patient's CD4+ T-cell count remains in the range where the immune system can function.
So where does HIV come from then ?
HIV is very similar to SIV (simian immunodeficiency virus) which infects apes. The hypothesis is that SIV mutated and became something that would infect humans. This wouldn't take much alteration to the viral genetic code because humans and apes are genetically extremely similar. Having an open wound and getting infected ape blood in that would have been enough for the first infections, so bushmeat and hunting are probable sources of the original infection.
It's the changing of the gentic code and then it being integrated into the human chain which is diffictult to accept. It's easy to say SIV in apes mutated and became HIV in humans because humans are like apes but I don't think it's that straight forward....there has to be more to it than that. "
It's a retrovirus (both HIV and SIV). They possess an enzyme which enables them to integrate their genome with the host genome. This is applicable to all retroviruses and we can identify sequences in the human genome that far pre-date modern science. |
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It's the changing of the gentic code and then it being integrated into the human chain which is diffictult to accept. It's easy to say SIV in apes mutated and became HIV in humans because humans are like apes but I don't think it's that straight forward....there has to be more to it than that. "
Why is it difficult to accept? It's basic virology. Viruses can only replicate once integrated into a host genome. Some viral genomes are extremely unstable.
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"Ironic then that the antibiotic replacement sought to fight bacteria that become resistant, is a virus!
A bacteriophage."
Yes, the Soviets and ex-Soviet republicans have been researching and using them for a while. The issue is you need a specific phage for each bacterial infection, so you have to culture the bacterium and then find a suitable phage. Most antibiotics (even narrow spectrum) have action against a range of bacteria and can be pulled off a shelf quickly, rather than needing to be synthesised specially.
If someone has sepsis, for example, you don't have time to culture and find phages, you need an antibacterial drug immediately.
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"We just live with it. So are we gonna have to go through this bullshit for the rest of our lives because this virus isn't going away.
It’s only going to end when enough of the idiots supporting restrictions stop and say enough of this crap.
There’s some really dumb people who still believe the fear based propaganda being spouted.
It’s literally changed their psyche.
Yes stopping all restrictions is really going to stop the virus spreading.
I expect an answer to what I said being well its survival rate is 99% percent of thoughs who contract it or so on
So here's my preemptive reply. Nobody should be dying from this virus at all. So if preventing people dying means longer restrictions then so be it. People's lives are generally long. Lockdowns won't last a lifetime theres plenty of time in the future to enjoy life. "
What about those who are the most vulnerable and oldest who may have a year or less to live(People die from things other than this virus) If 4 weeks is all the delay will be then great just fully expect the next one to be delayed once again |
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