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"If the cases are rising as fast as they seem to be again and from what my nursey friend tells me about their ICU starting to fill back up with respiratory cases is being found in other hospitals too, I think it'll pretty much forced Boris' hand into extending restrictions. Seems that he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't though. Whichever way the mop flops, someone will be saying that it was the wrong call."   | |||
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"Not bothered. He should of said earlier always last min."  They've been hinting at it for weeks. They are shit at keeping 'secrets'. | |||
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"To be honest it doesn’t affect me personally at all. The only thing I want to do that I can’t is to go to Spain and couldn’t do that anyway. Feel for the hospitality businesses etc though x" Same. I personally have no investment in any of the remaining restrictions. It sucks for others of course. And 4 weeks won't change a thing really. Anti-vaxxers won't suddenly change their mind and get vaccinated. The varient will still spread at the current rate (or faster) as it has been. A new varient will pop up soon enough and we repeat. | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway." The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine" Yeah, I canr remember the exact number but the overwhelming majority are those without vaccine. Next highest is those with only 1 dose. And it also seems those few who have been vaccinated (1 or 2 doses) are effected less severely despite hospital admissions, and are treated easier and faster. So while the incoming hospital cases are busy, those staying in hospital are there much shorter length of time than those not vaccinated. | |||
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"I am concerned. Very concerned. Not about me but about individuals and businesses at breaking point. So many small businesses have shouldered all that they can. So many people with mental and emotional health issues need to get back to their support groups in person. I'm disinterested in people who whinge about delayed weddings cos they are holding out for times when they can invite more people - that's THEIR choice. Hmmmmmm get married or have a big party .... oh lets wait for a big party. I'm disinterested in holidaymakers.... they whinge about not being on a beach in foreign country as if they were losing blood with each passing day. A holiday abroad might be nice but thats it..... an expensive 'nice' doesn't warrant tears and snot up your sleeve and on my television screen. I'll manage the four weeks as easy as peeing. " | |||
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"I am concerned. Very concerned. Not about me but about individuals and businesses at breaking point. So many small businesses have shouldered all that they can. So many people with mental and emotional health issues need to get back to their support groups in person. I'm disinterested in people who whinge about delayed weddings cos they are holding out for times when they can invite more people - that's THEIR choice. Hmmmmmm get married or have a big party .... oh lets wait for a big party. I'm disinterested in holidaymakers.... they whinge about not being on a beach in foreign country as if they were losing blood with each passing day. A holiday abroad might be nice but thats it..... an expensive 'nice' doesn't warrant tears and snot up your sleeve and on my television screen. I'll manage the four weeks as easy as peeing. " | |||
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"4 more weeks aint going to make a bit of difference " So then there will be another four weeks, then another four weeks .... | |||
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"4 more weeks aint going to make a bit of difference So then there will be another four weeks, then another four weeks .... " I've given up hope of them getting their shit together | |||
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"I am concerned. Very concerned. Not about me but about individuals and businesses at breaking point. So many small businesses have shouldered all that they can. So many people with mental and emotional health issues need to get back to their support groups in person. I'm disinterested in people who whinge about delayed weddings cos they are holding out for times when they can invite more people - that's THEIR choice. Hmmmmmm get married or have a big party .... oh lets wait for a big party. I'm disinterested in holidaymakers.... they whinge about not being on a beach in foreign country as if they were losing blood with each passing day. A holiday abroad might be nice but thats it..... an expensive 'nice' doesn't warrant tears and snot up your sleeve and on my television screen. I'll manage the four weeks as easy as peeing. " This | |||
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"If the cases are rising as fast as they seem to be again and from what my nursey friend tells me about their ICU starting to fill back up with respiratory cases is being found in other hospitals too, I think it'll pretty much forced Boris' hand into extending restrictions. Seems that he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't though. Whichever way the mop flops, someone will be saying that it was the wrong call." Latest figures for Mid Cheshire Hospital is 1 patient who has tested positive for Covid 19. 0 on ICU. Of course that is likely to change however it's coming from a very low level. There were 209 in hospital on the 20th February. | |||
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"4 more weeks aint going to make a bit of difference " It may not make any difference to you, just as it doesn’t make any difference to me either. However, it will make some difference in the sense that it allows more time for more people to get vaccinated; - which in turn will reduce the number of people going to hospital. That’s one of the aims of the extension. | |||
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"4 more weeks aint going to make a bit of difference " It will for many Business who are on the brink of bankruptcy | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine" you beleive everything your told , this will never end new mutated variants will keep coming it will only end when every one says thats enough, you all seem to forget it hasnt even come close to been a pandemic none of the nightingale hospitals were used and the yearly death figures are no higher than most years | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine you beleive everything your told , this will never end new mutated variants will keep coming it will only end when every one says thats enough, you all seem to forget it hasnt even come close to been a pandemic none of the nightingale hospitals were used and the yearly death figures are no higher than most years " 100% for a pandemic, its been weak as fuck, right? Imagine a real pandemic with high infection/death rates, with these clown running the show. | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine you beleive everything your told , this will never end new mutated variants will keep coming it will only end when every one says thats enough, you all seem to forget it hasnt even come close to been a pandemic none of the nightingale hospitals were used and the yearly death figures are no higher than most years 100% for a pandemic, its been weak as fuck, right? Imagine a real pandemic with high infection/death rates, with these clown running the show. " exactly it would be death figures in the millions | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine you beleive everything your told , this will never end new mutated variants will keep coming it will only end when every one says thats enough, you all seem to forget it hasnt even come close to been a pandemic none of the nightingale hospitals were used and the yearly death figures are no higher than most years " so the friends and family I've lost ..what shall i tell them.. oh wait.. I cant they died from this pandemic. | |||
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"The news has leaked; BoJo will announce later that the final stage of easing will be postponed for a further 4 weeks. How do you feel about that folks? " The news has leaked? The media has been reporting this for ages..... | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine you beleive everything your told , this will never end new mutated variants will keep coming it will only end when every one says thats enough, you all seem to forget it hasnt even come close to been a pandemic none of the nightingale hospitals were used and the yearly death figures are no higher than most years so the friends and family I've lost ..what shall i tell them.. oh wait.. I cant they died from this pandemic. " Those who can't work anymore, I'm sure they're glad they only got a fake pandemic disease. | |||
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" Those who can't work anymore, I'm sure they're glad they only got a fake pandemic disease." Or those with long covid.. as obviously it only matters if you survive | |||
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" Those who can't work anymore, I'm sure they're glad they only got a fake pandemic disease. Or those with long covid.. as obviously it only matters if you survive " Yes, that's what I mean. Who needs to be able to walk up stairs? | |||
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" you all seem to forget it hasnt even come close to been a pandemic none of the nightingale hospitals were used and the yearly death figures are no higher than most years " I guess you don't understand what the word "Pandemic" actually means then | |||
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" Imagine a real pandemic with high infection/death rates, with these clown running the show. exactly it would be death figures in the millions " #facepalm | |||
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"I'm desperate for clubs to reopen fully, I'm not mad at the government for making the decision, I am, however, mad at the covid deniers, the people refusing the vaccines and the people purposely flouting every rule just because they can. It is what it is though, I'll carry on doing what needs to be done so that the idiots can do whatever the fuck they like in the name of 'freedom'. "Freedom isn't a gift, to me. The society we live in, and its benefits, are built on the back of the work of many. This includes infectious disease control - we all protect each other. I think people think freedom gets handed out like sweets. | |||
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"I'm desperate for clubs to reopen fully, I'm not mad at the government for making the decision, I am, however, mad at the covid deniers, the people refusing the vaccines and the people purposely flouting every rule just because they can. It is what it is though, I'll carry on doing what needs to be done so that the idiots can do whatever the fuck they like in the name of 'freedom'.
Freedom isn't a gift, to me. The society we live in, and its benefits, are built on the back of the work of many. This includes infectious disease control - we all protect each other.
I think people think freedom gets handed out like sweets."The problem is people thinking that freedom is just something that's there, sacrifices have been made for years in order to gain freedom, this current situation is where sacrifices have to be made, unfortunately some people don't see it like that. | |||
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"I'm desperate for clubs to reopen fully, I'm not mad at the government for making the decision, I am, however, mad at the covid deniers, the people refusing the vaccines and the people purposely flouting every rule just because they can. It is what it is though, I'll carry on doing what needs to be done so that the idiots can do whatever the fuck they like in the name of 'freedom'.
Freedom isn't a gift, to me. The society we live in, and its benefits, are built on the back of the work of many. This includes infectious disease control - we all protect each other.
I think people think freedom gets handed out like sweets.
The problem is people thinking that freedom is just something that's there, sacrifices have been made for years in order to gain freedom, this current situation is where sacrifices have to be made, unfortunately some people don't see it like that. "Sacrifices are for other people, I think | |||
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"Bungling Boris the bull,,,,, Full of naf ideas Be 4 weeks now until the next excuse then another 4 wks while other countries continue to visit the UK and bring in another variant that will scare everyone to death Might aswell accept the controlling lifestyle we have as the virus ain't going away Like others have said majority of hospitalisation cases are people who refused vaccine so again I'll say covid passport Restrict the unvaccinated and let us vaccinated live some sort of normality before we die of old age " I agree, the unvaccinated should be made to continue living under restrictions. Enough is enough, the vaccines work, they are doing more good than expected. | |||
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"Bungling Boris the bull,,,,, Full of naf ideas Be 4 weeks now until the next excuse then another 4 wks while other countries continue to visit the UK and bring in another variant that will scare everyone to death Might aswell accept the controlling lifestyle we have as the virus ain't going away Like others have said majority of hospitalisation cases are people who refused vaccine so again I'll say covid passport Restrict the unvaccinated and let us vaccinated live some sort of normality before we die of old age I agree, the unvaccinated should be made to continue living under restrictions. Enough is enough, the vaccines work, they are doing more good than expected. " Rubbish , why should I take an experimental drug , and no one can make me take it , and as for being made to live under restrictions! Don’t make me laugh I’ve not payed any attention to this shit show for 18 months , and I’ll carry on paying no attention , | |||
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"The news has leaked; BoJo will announce later that the final stage of easing will be postponed for a further 4 weeks. How do you feel about that folks? " Glad there’s another 4 weeks so we don’t end up fucking it up again  | |||
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"Bungling Boris the bull,,,,, Full of naf ideas Be 4 weeks now until the next excuse then another 4 wks while other countries continue to visit the UK and bring in another variant that will scare everyone to death Might aswell accept the controlling lifestyle we have as the virus ain't going away Like others have said majority of hospitalisation cases are people who refused vaccine so again I'll say covid passport Restrict the unvaccinated and let us vaccinated live some sort of normality before we die of old age I agree, the unvaccinated should be made to continue living under restrictions. Enough is enough, the vaccines work, they are doing more good than expected. Rubbish , why should I take an experimental drug , and no one can make me take it , and as for being made to live under restrictions! Don’t make me laugh I’ve not payed any attention to this shit show for 18 months , and I’ll carry on paying no attention , " That's your choice not to take it So your more vulnerable of being more seriously ill and requiring hospital treatment so should be protected by restricting you from public areas Vaccinated are less risk to NHS so should be allowed into public areas Simple really Boris first statement protect the vulnerable Covid passports all the way Show to visit pubs clubs restraunts sports events and shops or travel | |||
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"Bungling Boris the bull,,,,, Full of naf ideas Be 4 weeks now until the next excuse then another 4 wks while other countries continue to visit the UK and bring in another variant that will scare everyone to death Might aswell accept the controlling lifestyle we have as the virus ain't going away Like others have said majority of hospitalisation cases are people who refused vaccine so again I'll say covid passport Restrict the unvaccinated and let us vaccinated live some sort of normality before we die of old age I agree, the unvaccinated should be made to continue living under restrictions. Enough is enough, the vaccines work, they are doing more good than expected. Rubbish , why should I take an experimental drug , and no one can make me take it , and as for being made to live under restrictions! Don’t make me laugh I’ve not payed any attention to this shit show for 18 months , and I’ll carry on paying no attention , " Why should your misunderstanding limit my freedom? | |||
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"Bungling Boris the bull,,,,, Full of naf ideas Be 4 weeks now until the next excuse then another 4 wks while other countries continue to visit the UK and bring in another variant that will scare everyone to death Might aswell accept the controlling lifestyle we have as the virus ain't going away Like others have said majority of hospitalisation cases are people who refused vaccine so again I'll say covid passport Restrict the unvaccinated and let us vaccinated live some sort of normality before we die of old age " You better suited to make the decisions for the country? Go on, step up. Go into politics and make a change. I bet you’ve fucked up in your career plenty as has everyone. Running a country is not likely to be a simple thing, but one thing’s for sure… Boris makes decisions based on plenty of understanding and info that you and I do not have. Easy to bitch about the choices they make but they’re clearly not idiots or they’d not have gotten to the position they’re in. Mistakes have been made, yes. But we’re all human. I think the 4 week delay is a sensible idea. | |||
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"Bungling Boris the bull,,,,, Full of naf ideas Be 4 weeks now until the next excuse then another 4 wks while other countries continue to visit the UK and bring in another variant that will scare everyone to death Might aswell accept the controlling lifestyle we have as the virus ain't going away Like others have said majority of hospitalisation cases are people who refused vaccine so again I'll say covid passport Restrict the unvaccinated and let us vaccinated live some sort of normality before we die of old age I agree, the unvaccinated should be made to continue living under restrictions. Enough is enough, the vaccines work, they are doing more good than expected. Rubbish , why should I take an experimental drug , and no one can make me take it , and as for being made to live under restrictions! Don’t make me laugh I’ve not payed any attention to this shit show for 18 months , and I’ll carry on paying no attention , Why should your misunderstanding limit my freedom?" Another thing we agree on lol | |||
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"Bungling Boris the bull,,,,, Full of naf ideas Be 4 weeks now until the next excuse then another 4 wks while other countries continue to visit the UK and bring in another variant that will scare everyone to death Might aswell accept the controlling lifestyle we have as the virus ain't going away Like others have said majority of hospitalisation cases are people who refused vaccine so again I'll say covid passport Restrict the unvaccinated and let us vaccinated live some sort of normality before we die of old age You better suited to make the decisions for the country? Go on, step up. Go into politics and make a change. I bet you’ve fucked up in your career plenty as has everyone. Running a country is not likely to be a simple thing, but one thing’s for sure… Boris makes decisions based on plenty of understanding and info that you and I do not have. Easy to bitch about the choices they make but they’re clearly not idiots or they’d not have gotten to the position they’re in. Mistakes have been made, yes. But we’re all human. I think the 4 week delay is a sensible idea. " So I say again put a covid passport in place protect the vulnerable and the NHS admissions Surely it's not hard to see that figures show majority of hospitalisations are unvaccinated | |||
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"The news has leaked; BoJo will announce later that the final stage of easing will be postponed for a further 4 weeks. How do you feel about that folks? " It's probably a good thing. We are a long way from having people jabbed yet and we have to keep community infections down somehow. | |||
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"The news has leaked; BoJo will announce later that the final stage of easing will be postponed for a further 4 weeks. How do you feel about that folks? It's probably a good thing. We are a long way from having people jabbed yet and we have to keep community infections down somehow. " Disagree all 50s and over have had both jabs so elderly and vulnerable are as protected as their gonna be Told you best way covid passport to visit any public area If can't show proof no entry the vulnerable will remain protected like it or not | |||
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"The news has leaked; BoJo will announce later that the final stage of easing will be postponed for a further 4 weeks. How do you feel about that folks? It's probably a good thing. We are a long way from having people jabbed yet and we have to keep community infections down somehow. Disagree all 50s and over have had both jabs so elderly and vulnerable are as protected as their gonna be Told you best way covid passport to visit any public area If can't show proof no entry the vulnerable will remain protected like it or not" That's certainly true... Though suspect we will be having a 3rd jab sometime in autumn. The issue for me is that it's the under 50s who haven't even been offered 2 jabs yet let alone had them who are more socially mobile. I see no issue at all with vaccine passports so long as we know they are meaningful and manageable. | |||
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"only thing think will be more then 4 weeks will yes 4 then in 3 week say need another 4 ." It would be interesting to see what science they made the decision on... Why 4 weeks as opposed to 2 or 8...and what has to happen in 4 weeks to trigger the padlock being taken off the indoor events. | |||
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"Relieved. Means hopefully in 4 weeks time everyone over 18 would have been offered a 1st vaccine. We have quite a lot open now, I always thought the date of June was optimistic " Maybe the people who are going to coming off furlough and no job are relieved too. As long as your relieved . | |||
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"The news has leaked; BoJo will announce later that the final stage of easing will be postponed for a further 4 weeks. How do you feel about that folks? " Not bothered to be honest. Right decision. Until the selfish me me me brigade get their act together it will go on forever. | |||
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"Take a look north of the border...... "Humza Yousaf - Covid in Scotland: Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks" A reminder - The UK has recorded fewer Covid deaths in the past 60 days than just one single day of cancer and heart related deaths. Worrying times. " There is only covid  | |||
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"Take a look north of the border...... "Humza Yousaf - Covid in Scotland: Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks" A reminder - The UK has recorded fewer Covid deaths in the past 60 days than just one single day of cancer and heart related deaths. Worrying times. " It's not one or the other though is it? It's not choose how you want to die? It's about trying to protect against cancer and heart related deaths AND protect against death or long covid from covid. If it takes a few more weeks.... The plan was made in March. Things change. | |||
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"Bungling Boris the bull,,,,, Full of naf ideas Be 4 weeks now until the next excuse then another 4 wks while other countries continue to visit the UK and bring in another variant that will scare everyone to death Might aswell accept the controlling lifestyle we have as the virus ain't going away Like others have said majority of hospitalisation cases are people who refused vaccine so again I'll say covid passport Restrict the unvaccinated and let us vaccinated live some sort of normality before we die of old age I agree, the unvaccinated should be made to continue living under restrictions. Enough is enough, the vaccines work, they are doing more good than expected. Rubbish , why should I take an experimental drug , and no one can make me take it , and as for being made to live under restrictions! Don’t make me laugh I’ve not payed any attention to this shit show for 18 months , and I’ll carry on paying no attention , " If you don't want to contribute to society, you shouldn't be entitled to the benefits of living in society. | |||
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"The news has leaked; BoJo will announce later that the final stage of easing will be postponed for a further 4 weeks. How do you feel about that folks? It's probably a good thing. We are a long way from having people jabbed yet and we have to keep community infections down somehow. Disagree all 50s and over have had both jabs so elderly and vulnerable are as protected as their gonna be Told you best way covid passport to visit any public area If can't show proof no entry the vulnerable will remain protected like it or not" “....... Told you best way covid passport to visit any public area......” ——————————- Problem with covid passports is that you can’t implement it until the whole adult population has been offered the vaccine. The 4 week delay will allow more people to get vaccinated before opening everything up. | |||
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"Well he allowed the Indian virus in, what did we expect. We could of had freedom instead he tried for a trade deal. As for not bothered well I wonder how many clubs this has finally put the nail in " So nothing to do with the travellers who did actually bring it in...? And didn't isolate when tested? | |||
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"Well he allowed the Indian virus in, what did we expect. We could of had freedom instead he tried for a trade deal. As for not bothered well I wonder how many clubs this has finally put the nail in So nothing to do with the travellers who did actually bring it in...? And didn't isolate when tested? " Of course not, nobody is responsible except Boris
People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. If you travel abroad in the middle of a pandemic, you should be fully prepared to be stuck in the country you travelled to at your own expense. If you don't like it, don't travel.
If you're lucky enough to be allowed to travel home, you should have to quarantine, regardless of negative tests, if that means everyone having to pay to be quarantined in a hotel, so be it.
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"Well he allowed the Indian virus in, what did we expect. We could of had freedom instead he tried for a trade deal. As for not bothered well I wonder how many clubs this has finally put the nail in So nothing to do with the travellers who did actually bring it in...? And didn't isolate when tested? " Both the travellers and the system that empowered them. | |||
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"Well he allowed the Indian virus in, what did we expect. We could of had freedom instead he tried for a trade deal. As for not bothered well I wonder how many clubs this has finally put the nail in So nothing to do with the travellers who did actually bring it in...? And didn't isolate when tested? Both the travellers and the system that empowered them." Yes indeed. It could have been prevented if only. And as we've swapped before "they" should have... But I also still think if someone else doesn't stop me... I have a brain and can stop myself. | |||
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"Well he allowed the Indian virus in, what did we expect. We could of had freedom instead he tried for a trade deal. As for not bothered well I wonder how many clubs this has finally put the nail in So nothing to do with the travellers who did actually bring it in...? And didn't isolate when tested? Both the travellers and the system that empowered them. Yes indeed. It could have been prevented if only. And as we've swapped before "they" should have... But I also still think if someone else doesn't stop me... I have a brain and can stop myself. " Yeah, but ultimately the buck stops with the government to protect us from those who don't have as many brains as you. | |||
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"only thing think will be more then 4 weeks will yes 4 then in 3 week say need another 4 . It would be interesting to see what science they made the decision on... Why 4 weeks as opposed to 2 or 8...and what has to happen in 4 weeks to trigger the padlock being taken off the indoor events. " it isn't guaranteed in 4 weeks though. And its being reviewed again in two weeks. | |||
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"I'm desperate for clubs to reopen fully, I'm not mad at the government for making the decision, I am, however, mad at the covid deniers, the people refusing the vaccines and the people purposely flouting every rule just because they can. It is what it is though, I'll carry on doing what needs to be done so that the idiots can do whatever the fuck they like in the name of 'freedom'.
Freedom isn't a gift, to me. The society we live in, and its benefits, are built on the back of the work of many. This includes infectious disease control - we all protect each other.
I think people think freedom gets handed out like sweets."“Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose” Janis Joplin: Me and Bobby McGee | |||
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"If the cases are rising as fast as they seem to be again and from what my nursey friend tells me about their ICU starting to fill back up with respiratory cases is being found in other hospitals too, I think it'll pretty much forced Boris' hand into extending restrictions. Seems that he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't though. Whichever way the mop flops, someone will be saying that it was the wrong call." The thing is, its OK to allow 22,500 football fans into Wembley to watch the Euros but not allowed to open clubs and venues and other such businesses. Nice for him to mention that those who were vulnerable are still vulnerable even after both jabs. He will be damned believe me and I can't wait for him to be destroyed when accountability is being apportioned. | |||
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"Bungling Boris the bull,,,,, Full of naf ideas Be 4 weeks now until the next excuse then another 4 wks while other countries continue to visit the UK and bring in another variant that will scare everyone to death Might aswell accept the controlling lifestyle we have as the virus ain't going away Like others have said majority of hospitalisation cases are people who refused vaccine so again I'll say covid passport Restrict the unvaccinated and let us vaccinated live some sort of normality before we die of old age " This ^^^^ | |||
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"The news has leaked; BoJo will announce later that the final stage of easing will be postponed for a further 4 weeks. How do you feel about that folks? It's probably a good thing. We are a long way from having people jabbed yet and we have to keep community infections down somehow. Disagree all 50s and over have had both jabs so elderly and vulnerable are as protected as their gonna be Told you best way covid passport to visit any public area If can't show proof no entry the vulnerable will remain protected like it or not “....... Told you best way covid passport to visit any public area......” ——————————- Problem with covid passports is that you can’t implement it until the whole adult population has been offered the vaccine. The 4 week delay will allow more people to get vaccinated before opening everything up. " I have my card stating I've been jabbed twice. That should be valid enough to give me access to clubs. You can get free covid tests from the chemist if that helps too. This is nothing to do with the vaccinations or virus and purely about deflecting from the monumental mess Worsel is making of Brexit. He doesn't care about the public's lives or anything else other than his pocket and his political standing. | |||
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"Well it honestly is not a surprise, as for the covid passport it's just id cards by a different name, in normal circumstances it takes a judge and jury of your peers to restrict your freedom, but everyone is just handing this over, and everyone is enjoying it, we are heading straight into a dictatorship and nobody is calling it out, it should be fab disability as you are all blind to what's happening. " You do realise there are things that restrict your freedom other than the criminal law? Good grief some of this rhetoric has less depth than a puddle | |||
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"Please elaborate, how are my freedoms restricted other than riminal law?" All of the other laws that exist which limit your movement. Public health law predating all of this. Immigration law under some circumstances. Being detained under the Mental Health Act (not a dig, an example). Depending on how one defines "freedom", motoring offences, employment law (freedom to deal in ways that the UK deems improper), probably countless others. The UK government can legislate anything it wants, in essence. That's the nature of our constitution. | |||
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"Well it honestly is not a surprise, as for the covid passport it's just id cards by a different name, in normal circumstances it takes a judge and jury of your peers to restrict your freedom, but everyone is just handing this over, and everyone is enjoying it, we are heading straight into a dictatorship and nobody is calling it out, it should be fab disability as you are all blind to what's happening. " Some dumbass people in this world and here’s another one | |||
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"Please elaborate, how are my freedoms restricted other than riminal law?" Your freedoms are restricted because you can't go to the theatre, a concert, a nightclub, do a Park Run, go to an adult education class, have seven people round the table in a restaurant, go abroad without quarantining on return... | |||
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"Please elaborate, how are my freedoms restricted other than riminal law? Your freedoms are restricted because you can't go to the theatre, a concert, a nightclub, do a Park Run, go to an adult education class, have seven people round the table in a restaurant, go abroad without quarantining on return... " That's what they mean - there should be a jury. ... We elected officials to decide things for us. That's represent democracy. | |||
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"I can understand people getting frustrated and sometimes hostile and disagreeing with some things that are being done. And I can understand people disliking others who make money out of it. And I can understand the suspicion of some of our politicians and scientists. I can even understand why some people are distrustful of the assorted vaccines. But I am mystified by those who come with the hyperbole that we are a dictatorships, fascist, communist, that we have lost all of our freedoms.... We've temporarily lost some. If in 2 years we have still lost them I will start to worry. Until then... Working together is better than pulling apart. " I do think some governments are using this to further their agenda, and we should watch them closely. But sensible oversight of bodies we can't necessarily trust isn't helped by the... excesses we see. | |||
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"Well it honestly is not a surprise, as for the covid passport it's just id cards by a different name, in normal circumstances it takes a judge and jury of your peers to restrict your freedom, but everyone is just handing this over, and everyone is enjoying it, we are heading straight into a dictatorship and nobody is calling it out, it should be fab disability as you are all blind to what's happening. Some dumbass people in this world and here’s another one " And your iq is? Really insulting people on the Internet is pretty low, but that's fine keep hiding behind keyboard. | |||
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"Well it honestly is not a surprise, as for the covid passport it's just id cards by a different name, in normal circumstances it takes a judge and jury of your peers to restrict your freedom, but everyone is just handing this over, and everyone is enjoying it, we are heading straight into a dictatorship and nobody is calling it out, it should be fab disability as you are all blind to what's happening. Some dumbass people in this world and here’s another one And your iq is? Really insulting people on the Internet is pretty low, but that's fine keep hiding behind keyboard." Didn't you, a few posts ago, say that people not calling it out should be labelled as having a disability? Pot, kettle much? | |||
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"The news has leaked; BoJo will announce later that the final stage of easing will be postponed for a further 4 weeks. How do you feel about that folks? " Saw it coming and anticipated the extension. Fully expect another wave and next variant Oct as well. How do I feel ? It it what it is. It's a global pandemic. I reframe things and deal with situations by looking at experiences others have faced. For example, WW2 lasted 2193 days. We are currently appx 447 days in the UK in to the virus. (I counted from 24/3/2020). I kind of feel that if my grand-folks managed to endure 2193 days, I've got some way to go yet. I don't have bombs dropping on my head. They did. I know, I know, WW2 is a different kettle of fish. But in terms of simple endurance to events outside of my control, it's a yard stick of sorts and I find it helpful personally for me. We are all different though aren't we ? | |||
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"Well he allowed the Indian virus in, what did we expect. We could of had freedom instead he tried for a trade deal. As for not bothered well I wonder how many clubs this has finally put the nail in So nothing to do with the travellers who did actually bring it in...? And didn't isolate when tested? Of course not, nobody is responsible except Boris
People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. If you travel abroad in the middle of a pandemic, you should be fully prepared to be stuck in the country you travelled to at your own expense. If you don't like it, don't travel.
If you're lucky enough to be allowed to travel home, you should have to quarantine, regardless of negative tests, if that means everyone having to pay to be quarantined in a hotel, so be it.
"Don't totally agree with this a negative test is a negative test it proves you don't have the virus so are at no risk of passing it on so quarantine wouldn't be needed As for paying for a test I'd be happy to pay as long as it wasn't stupid money As for traveling abroad then we have just as much chance of catching it in the UK as anywhere else I travel up and down the country daily mixing with different people on a daily basis as part of my job and have done since the start of it all so probably have more chance in the UK personally I mask up and do lft every 2 days not much else I can do I need my income | |||
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"And the freedoms are all taken away and backed by ooh let's see, oh yeah criminal charges. So everybody knows about the security bill that was brought in when the news talked about nothing but brexit, and how they can have access to emails, text messages, phone calls etc, I should just believe everything they say and not question it, cos that's patriotic right?" Yes, the state does tend to use criminal law to discourage behaviours. What's your point? | |||
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"Well it honestly is not a surprise, as for the covid passport it's just id cards by a different name, in normal circumstances it takes a judge and jury of your peers to restrict your freedom, but everyone is just handing this over, and everyone is enjoying it, we are heading straight into a dictatorship and nobody is calling it out, it should be fab disability as you are all blind to what's happening. Some dumbass people in this world and here’s another one And your iq is? Really insulting people on the Internet is pretty low, but that's fine keep hiding behind keyboard. Didn't you, a few posts ago, say that people not calling it out should be labelled as having a disability? Pot, kettle much? " And I didnt single out a specific person , but let's face it, its the internet so you can say what you like, your opinion of me has no influence over me and I won't lose any sleep over it! | |||
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"And the freedoms are all taken away and backed by ooh let's see, oh yeah criminal charges. So everybody knows about the security bill that was brought in when the news talked about nothing but brexit, and how they can have access to emails, text messages, phone calls etc, I should just believe everything they say and not question it, cos that's patriotic right? Yes, the state does tend to use criminal law to discourage behaviours. What's your point?" That was my point | |||
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"Well it honestly is not a surprise, as for the covid passport it's just id cards by a different name, in normal circumstances it takes a judge and jury of your peers to restrict your freedom, but everyone is just handing this over, and everyone is enjoying it, we are heading straight into a dictatorship and nobody is calling it out, it should be fab disability as you are all blind to what's happening. Some dumbass people in this world and here’s another one And your iq is? Really insulting people on the Internet is pretty low, but that's fine keep hiding behind keyboard. Didn't you, a few posts ago, say that people not calling it out should be labelled as having a disability? Pot, kettle much? And I didnt single out a specific person , but let's face it, its the internet so you can say what you like, your opinion of me has no influence over me and I won't lose any sleep over it!" Great, you carry on insulting people on the internet which is pretty low, but that's fine keep hiding behind keyboard. It works both ways. | |||
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"And the freedoms are all taken away and backed by ooh let's see, oh yeah criminal charges. So everybody knows about the security bill that was brought in when the news talked about nothing but brexit, and how they can have access to emails, text messages, phone calls etc, I should just believe everything they say and not question it, cos that's patriotic right? Yes, the state does tend to use criminal law to discourage behaviours. What's your point? That was my point" That the state is doing what the state always does? And has done for centuries, if not millenia? ... I'm not sure that's interesting or insightful, to be honest. The state does what the state has always done. | |||
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"I’ve just popped in to see how this thread is doing and given the exact reason why I didn’t post this in the virus page to start with! Covid deniers and conspiracy theorists abound! It never fails to amaze me how people demand so much of others, fail to do anything in return and still expect to keep their precious freedoms. If you’ve had the chance to be vaccinated and haven’t taken it, then these extra weeks are on you " Can you be my knight in shining armour and save me? I've lost the will for anything! | |||
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"I’ve just popped in to see how this thread is doing and given the exact reason why I didn’t post this in the virus page to start with! Covid deniers and conspiracy theorists abound! It never fails to amaze me how people demand so much of others, fail to do anything in return and still expect to keep their precious freedoms. If you’ve had the chance to be vaccinated and haven’t taken it, then these extra weeks are on you " I've had two texts and two letters telling me to get my first. ... The NHS doesn't have me down, but I've had both  | |||
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"And the freedoms are all taken away and backed by ooh let's see, oh yeah criminal charges. So everybody knows about the security bill that was brought in when the news talked about nothing but brexit, and how they can have access to emails, text messages, phone calls etc, I should just believe everything they say and not question it, cos that's patriotic right? Yes, the state does tend to use criminal law to discourage behaviours. What's your point? That was my point That the state is doing what the state always does? And has done for centuries, if not millenia? ... I'm not sure that's interesting or insightful, to be honest. The state does what the state has always done." And that's the point summed up right there in your own words, and nobody says anything, but I say it and apparently I'm a dumbass, really this place never ceases to amaze me | |||
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"And the freedoms are all taken away and backed by ooh let's see, oh yeah criminal charges. So everybody knows about the security bill that was brought in when the news talked about nothing but brexit, and how they can have access to emails, text messages, phone calls etc, I should just believe everything they say and not question it, cos that's patriotic right? Yes, the state does tend to use criminal law to discourage behaviours. What's your point? That was my point That the state is doing what the state always does? And has done for centuries, if not millenia? ... I'm not sure that's interesting or insightful, to be honest. The state does what the state has always done. And that's the point summed up right there in your own words, and nobody says anything, but I say it and apparently I'm a dumbass, really this place never ceases to amaze me " You came on like it was some conspiracy. Like we hear so much about. Like it's a new form of taking liberty away. Restrictions based on public health stretch at least back to the Middle Ages, and restrictions based on other things exist in contemporary law. The criminal law is a very well utilised mechanism by states against public behaviour. I did not call you stupid or anything like it. | |||
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"you all seem to forget it hasnt even come close to been a pandemic none of the nightingale hospitals were used and the yearly death figures are no higher than most years " Not true, Manchester treated several hundred covid patients, it then reported-opened to enable 5 NW trusts to relocate non covid facilities in order to expand their covid provision within the trust. A measure of ‘a pandemic’ is not the use of hospitals though, your statement on death totals is also very wide of the mark. | |||
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"Well he allowed the Indian virus in, what did we expect. We could of had freedom instead he tried for a trade deal. As for not bothered well I wonder how many clubs this has finally put the nail in So nothing to do with the travellers who did actually bring it in...? And didn't isolate when tested? Of course not, nobody is responsible except Boris
People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. If you travel abroad in the middle of a pandemic, you should be fully prepared to be stuck in the country you travelled to at your own expense. If you don't like it, don't travel.
If you're lucky enough to be allowed to travel home, you should have to quarantine, regardless of negative tests, if that means everyone having to pay to be quarantined in a hotel, so be it.
Don't totally agree with this a negative test is a negative test it proves you don't have the virus so are at no risk of passing it on so quarantine wouldn't be needed
As for paying for a test I'd be happy to pay as long as it wasn't stupid money
As for traveling abroad then we have just as much chance of catching it in the UK as anywhere else I travel up and down the country daily mixing with different people on a daily basis as part of my job and have done since the start of it all so probably have more chance in the UK personally
I mask up and do lft every 2 days not much else I can do I need my income "And as this debate is showing... There is middle ground with a bit of intelligence and responsibility... Re the negative tests the below extract from BBC football is a good example of why quarantine is important and appropriate... "It all began when Sergio Busquets found out one of his relatives had tested positive for coronavirus. He had not been with that relative for five days beforehand but nonetheless was obliged to pass on the information to the appropriate authorities. He played against Portugal in a friendly and every single test he gave during that period was negative. Eventually, after six days he tested positive. This was then followed by another positive test for Diego Llorente, which turned out to be a false positive - he has now returned to the squad - but nonetheless created more unwelcome drama." | |||
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"Well he allowed the Indian virus in, what did we expect. We could of had freedom instead he tried for a trade deal. As for not bothered well I wonder how many clubs this has finally put the nail in So nothing to do with the travellers who did actually bring it in...? And didn't isolate when tested? Of course not, nobody is responsible except Boris
People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. If you travel abroad in the middle of a pandemic, you should be fully prepared to be stuck in the country you travelled to at your own expense. If you don't like it, don't travel.
If you're lucky enough to be allowed to travel home, you should have to quarantine, regardless of negative tests, if that means everyone having to pay to be quarantined in a hotel, so be it.
Don't totally agree with this a negative test is a negative test it proves you don't have the virus so are at no risk of passing it on so quarantine wouldn't be needed
As for paying for a test I'd be happy to pay as long as it wasn't stupid money
As for traveling abroad then we have just as much chance of catching it in the UK as anywhere else I travel up and down the country daily mixing with different people on a daily basis as part of my job and have done since the start of it all so probably have more chance in the UK personally
I mask up and do lft every 2 days not much else I can do I need my income
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"It all began when Sergio Busquets found out one of his relatives had tested positive for coronavirus. He had not been with that relative for five days beforehand but nonetheless was obliged to pass on the information to the appropriate authorities.
He played against Portugal in a friendly and every single test he gave during that period was negative. Eventually, after six days he tested positive. This was then followed by another positive test for Diego Llorente, which turned out to be a false positive - he has now returned to the squad - but nonetheless created more unwelcome drama.""I think there was an outbreak in one of the states of Australia following the original case having negative tests in quarantine hotels. | |||
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"And the freedoms are all taken away and backed by ooh let's see, oh yeah criminal charges. So everybody knows about the security bill that was brought in when the news talked about nothing but brexit, and how they can have access to emails, text messages, phone calls etc, I should just believe everything they say and not question it, cos that's patriotic right? Yes, the state does tend to use criminal law to discourage behaviours. What's your point? That was my point That the state is doing what the state always does? And has done for centuries, if not millenia? ... I'm not sure that's interesting or insightful, to be honest. The state does what the state has always done. And that's the point summed up right there in your own words, and nobody says anything, but I say it and apparently I'm a dumbass, really this place never ceases to amaze me You came on like it was some conspiracy. Like we hear so much about. Like it's a new form of taking liberty away. Restrictions based on public health stretch at least back to the Middle Ages, and restrictions based on other things exist in contemporary law. The criminal law is a very well utilised mechanism by states against public behaviour. I did not call you stupid or anything like it." No you are right, you didn't insult me somebody else did, public health laws date back to 1960s or at least the version they use now, but it's not a conspiracy but we should have herd immunity by now, with the amount of vaccines given, we were also told, get the vaccine so we can come out of lockdown and we are still in it, and it annoys me that nobody is calling it out the virus isn't going to suddenly disappear over night, so how long till the next variant appears and lockdown gets extended again, the laws were already extended way before this deadline, they don't want us out of lockdown yet, and I'd be surprised if lockdown ends in 4 weeks. | |||
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"The news has leaked; BoJo will announce later that the final stage of easing will be postponed for a further 4 weeks. How do you feel about that folks? " I haven't read the other responses. It's exactly what I expected to happen given the increasing infection rate. 21st was the earliest possible date for the restrictions to be lifted further. The extra time will allow more vaccinations to be done and for scientists to gain a better understanding of the Delta variant. | |||
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"The news has leaked; BoJo will announce later that the final stage of easing will be postponed for a further 4 weeks. How do you feel about that folks? " Completely expected. It'll be four weeks then likely be expanded again to be "extra safe" or due to the appearence of a new variant. In the meantime summer will be done, the gutting of the economy will continue and public debt will continue soaring. Then we're in fall and you're close to entering flu season which means no complete reopening. Rinse and repeat ad nauseum. And when they have everyone distracted they'll pass measures that will increase taxes and impose more austerity because of course all this money they've been throwing around doesn't come for free. You thought 2020 and 2021 were bad? Wait till next year. | |||
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"And the freedoms are all taken away and backed by ooh let's see, oh yeah criminal charges. So everybody knows about the security bill that was brought in when the news talked about nothing but brexit, and how they can have access to emails, text messages, phone calls etc, I should just believe everything they say and not question it, cos that's patriotic right? Yes, the state does tend to use criminal law to discourage behaviours. What's your point? That was my point That the state is doing what the state always does? And has done for centuries, if not millenia? ... I'm not sure that's interesting or insightful, to be honest. The state does what the state has always done. And that's the point summed up right there in your own words, and nobody says anything, but I say it and apparently I'm a dumbass, really this place never ceases to amaze me You came on like it was some conspiracy. Like we hear so much about. Like it's a new form of taking liberty away. Restrictions based on public health stretch at least back to the Middle Ages, and restrictions based on other things exist in contemporary law. The criminal law is a very well utilised mechanism by states against public behaviour. I did not call you stupid or anything like it. No you are right, you didn't insult me somebody else did, public health laws date back to 1960s or at least the version they use now, but it's not a conspiracy but we should have herd immunity by now, with the amount of vaccines given, we were also told, get the vaccine so we can come out of lockdown and we are still in it, and it annoys me that nobody is calling it out the virus isn't going to suddenly disappear over night, so how long till the next variant appears and lockdown gets extended again, the laws were already extended way before this deadline, they don't want us out of lockdown yet, and I'd be surprised if lockdown ends in 4 weeks." Most people under 50 have only had one jab, if that. That's not enough. | |||
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"And the freedoms are all taken away and backed by ooh let's see, oh yeah criminal charges. So everybody knows about the security bill that was brought in when the news talked about nothing but brexit, and how they can have access to emails, text messages, phone calls etc, I should just believe everything they say and not question it, cos that's patriotic right? Yes, the state does tend to use criminal law to discourage behaviours. What's your point? That was my point That the state is doing what the state always does? And has done for centuries, if not millenia? ... I'm not sure that's interesting or insightful, to be honest. The state does what the state has always done. And that's the point summed up right there in your own words, and nobody says anything, but I say it and apparently I'm a dumbass, really this place never ceases to amaze me You came on like it was some conspiracy. Like we hear so much about. Like it's a new form of taking liberty away. Restrictions based on public health stretch at least back to the Middle Ages, and restrictions based on other things exist in contemporary law. The criminal law is a very well utilised mechanism by states against public behaviour. I did not call you stupid or anything like it. No you are right, you didn't insult me somebody else did, public health laws date back to 1960s or at least the version they use now, but it's not a conspiracy but we should have herd immunity by now, with the amount of vaccines given, we were also told, get the vaccine so we can come out of lockdown and we are still in it, and it annoys me that nobody is calling it out the virus isn't going to suddenly disappear over night, so how long till the next variant appears and lockdown gets extended again, the laws were already extended way before this deadline, they don't want us out of lockdown yet, and I'd be surprised if lockdown ends in 4 weeks." So that makes a lot more sense. And I'm not sure anyone is in disagreement with that. For me it's about timing. I'm not convinced the vaccine is as effective as we are being told given the exponential infections now. But the 21st was always a "no earlier than" date so I thi k a bit more patience. Like you I'm not convinced 4 weeks is going to be the right number. I saw a TV interview with the tory mp for Winchester who was unhappy with the delay.. And just asking "why" and I think if that question could be answered crisply it may help some. Of course for others... No answer other than doing what they want, when they want, where they want is acceptable. That might take more than 4 weeks to come back. | |||
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"The news has leaked; BoJo will announce later that the final stage of easing will be postponed for a further 4 weeks. How do you feel about that folks? Completely expected. It'll be four weeks then likely be expanded again to be "extra safe" or due to the appearence of a new variant. In the meantime summer will be done, the gutting of the economy will continue and public debt will continue soaring. Then we're in fall and you're close to entering flu season which means no complete reopening. Rinse and repeat ad nauseum. And when they have everyone distracted they'll pass measures that will increase taxes and impose more austerity because of course all this money they've been throwing around doesn't come for free. You thought 2020 and 2021 were bad? Wait till next year." Well aren't you a cheerful Charlie!! So please what would have been the alternative? | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine" Can you show me the proof? | |||
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"I much prefer working from home so for that a delay is a bonus for me personally. But it may destroy some businesses which will have a major effect on those people's lives. Tough call. " Take it that it won’t destroy the business you work for? | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof?" This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. | |||
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"Not bothered. He should of said earlier always last min. Last minute would technically be the 21st June, wouldn’t it. Would you have preferred he made the call BEFORE the number of cases were showing to increase over a sustained period of time? Damned if you do, damned if …. If there was a phrase that doesnt apply to that clown. It's that." I am sure your words are like a dagger to his heart . | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums." And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof?" Not sure the quote of refused vaccine is a 100% accurate but a quick Google search for "what percentage of new covid cases are unvaccinated" does indeed show that the majority of new cases are infact in unvaccinated people however this doesn't distinguish between those that can't have the vaccine for medical reasons and those that won't have the vaccine so it would seem that there is atleast a certain amount of fact to the statement in question. | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? The word ‘heard’ is the key there. If I’d read it, I would have written ‘read’, so no "Wasn't it in one of Andy Burnham updates a few weeks ago? Along with the line that the majority had been brought back by overseas travel to India? | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums." No, it isn't. The highest number of infections are in younger people who have not yet had a vaccination, or those who have only had the first. | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? The word ‘heard’ is the key there. If I’d read it, I would have written ‘read’, so no
Wasn't it in one of Andy Burnham updates a few weeks ago? Along with the line that the majority had been brought back by overseas travel to India? "It was on the BBC news update a few days ago, not some bloke down the pub. I just don’t want to try to find the exact source for reference in an anti vax/deniers thread. If people haven’t already got the message 18 months in, there’s no hope! Referencing an exact quote isn’t going to change matters | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs." The thing with this statement is that of the 29% who died there isn't any information regarding their age or pre-existing conditions that may have also been factors in their inability to survive the virus and since the majority of those double vaccinated are those considered extremely clinicly vulnerable it is likely that age or co morbidity did play a part. | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. No, it isn't. The highest number of infections are in younger people who have not yet had a vaccination, or those who have only had the first." Yeah, it's mostly people who are unvaccinated, mostly people who haven't been offered the vaccine. Alot of the hospitalisations, particularly in Bolton were from demographics that had already been offered a vaccine but hadn't had it for whatever reason. Either way, the vaccines work, have one if you get offered, people! | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs." I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough! | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. The thing with this statement is that of the 29% who died there isn't any information regarding their age or pre-existing conditions that may have also been factors in their inability to survive the virus and since the majority of those double vaccinated are those considered extremely clinicly vulnerable it is likely that age or co morbidity did play a part." True, just like age and co morbitites are responsible for the majority of covid fatalities. It just goes to show that the vaccine is not a magic bullet and need to be a part of a coherent wider strategy, not the be all ans end all. | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough! "Yeah? You and whose army  | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough!
Yeah? You and whose army "I think we both know I don't need an army!  | |||
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" And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. " About 89% of people who die are right handed but this isn't a cause of death, just like having a Covid vaccination isn't a cause of death. | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough!
Yeah? You and whose army "I don't know fella I think she could take you down lol | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough!
Yeah? You and whose army
I think we both know I don't need an army! "Reminds me of the joke... Where did Hitler keep his armies...? | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough!
Yeah? You and whose army
I think we both know I don't need an army!
Reminds me of the joke...
Where did Hitler keep his armies...? "In his sleveies? | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough!
Yeah? You and whose army
I don't know fella I think she could take you down lol "In her dreams. Maybe. And then she ought to wake up and apologise | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough!
Yeah? You and whose army
I don't know fella I think she could take you down lol "I definitely could. | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough!
Yeah? You and whose army
I don't know fella I think she could take you down lol
In her dreams. Maybe. And then she ought to wake up and apologise "If you were in it, it would be a nightmare | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough!
Yeah? You and whose army
I don't know fella I think she could take you down lol
In her dreams. Maybe. And then she ought to wake up and apologise
If you were in it, it would be a nightmare "Get a room! | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough!
Yeah? You and whose army
I don't know fella I think she could take you down lol
In her dreams. Maybe. And then she ought to wake up and apologise
If you were in it, it would be a nightmare
Get a room! "As long as there is something in there I can chain her to! | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough!
Yeah? You and whose army
I don't know fella I think she could take you down lol
In her dreams. Maybe. And then she ought to wake up and apologise
If you were in it, it would be a nightmare
Get a room!
As long as there is something in there I can chain her to!
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough!
Yeah? You and whose army
I don't know fella I think she could take you down lol
In her dreams. Maybe. And then she ought to wake up and apologise
If you were in it, it would be a nightmare " ouch! | |||
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"Rightfully so, if anything BJ should delay it until the virus is completely gone not just in the U.K but worldwide.. "Hmm. I don't think any economy could sustain that. I think the best we can hope for is elimination in some countries and endemic in others - like with diseases like measles | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough!
Yeah? You and whose army
I don't know fella I think she could take you down lol
In her dreams. Maybe. And then she ought to wake up and apologise
If you were in it, it would be a nightmare
Get a room!
As long as there is something in there I can chain her to!
God, you know bondage is my fetish? "Yes. And there is no need to refer to me as God. Boss will do nicely! | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums. And 29% of fatalities were people who had had both jabs. I feel like hulk smashing you might not be severe enough!
Yeah? You and whose army
I don't know fella I think she could take you down lol
In her dreams. Maybe. And then she ought to wake up and apologise
If you were in it, it would be a nightmare
Get a room!
As long as there is something in there I can chain her to!
God, you know bondage is my fetish?
Yes. And there is no need to refer to me as God. Boss will do nicely!"You know what my name is for you and that's what it's staying as lol. | |||
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"Could see the delay coming. Won't affect me as I haven't had my 2nd vaccine and where I live is one of the main Delta variant hotspots - the local council has been urging caution anyway. The words; horse, stable door, bolted, all spring to mind! I heard a statistic that 75% of people that have been hospitalised were people who refused the vaccine Can you show me the proof? This is true from public health England but since when have actual facts been relevant in these forums." Can you send me the link that specifically shows me the refused vaccination table? presumably it will tell me the rate of them that have had covid? | |||
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"*sigh* maybe by Christmas again the UK can get some resemblance of a normal living. Good luck." Next spring .. Is my prediction... Winter will be long and hard and wet | |||
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"*sigh* maybe by Christmas again the UK can get some resemblance of a normal living. Good luck. Next spring .. Is my prediction... Winter will be long and hard and wet" Ffs annoys me it's such a hard concept to grasp. Freedom to live vs Dictatorship. When US big pharma takes over your nhs because it is "Tax" funded well keep locking down the nhs will be financially broke and ripe for the picking. | |||
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"More to the point I can't understand why the strategy and comms seem so poor. Surely they should have gone with... We need another 10 weeks... Or maybe 8...and then there's a good chance they can bring it in sooner and people would say what a cracking job they've done... This way... We may well need a further 4 weeks for the vaccine to "activate" and people will be moaning.... " I think the backbenchers who want everything unlocked right now would accept no more than the minimum. Although watching Boris be literally torn apart by his backbenchers might be amusing viewing. (Not suitable for children, may be gory) | |||
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"No he should delay things till everyone's been vaccinated twice then he should lift lockdown on double vaccinated people for a short while at least so they can enjoy life a little Those who refuses the vaccine we would still need to test them before entry to most places and controlled self isolation imposed if they failed the test. Those who might have an adverse reaction to the vaccine ? unfortunately will need to wait till a new version is developed that suits them..then they should take the jab twice.. The borders should be closed and no one allowed in or out until we have a solution. If we do it quickly then we will be closed for less time Carry on like that then until Christmas..then decide it's time to let the _ockdowners free and hopefully life to carry on again " Absolutely we need vaccine apartheid UK, unvaccinated are second class citizens who should stay at home always  | |||
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"No he should delay things till everyone's been vaccinated twice then he should lift lockdown on double vaccinated people for a short while at least so they can enjoy life a little Those who refuses the vaccine we would still need to test them before entry to most places and controlled self isolation imposed if they failed the test. Those who might have an adverse reaction to the vaccine ? unfortunately will need to wait till a new version is developed that suits them..then they should take the jab twice.. The borders should be closed and no one allowed in or out until we have a solution. If we do it quickly then we will be closed for less time Carry on like that then until Christmas..then decide it's time to let the _ockdowners free and hopefully life to carry on again Absolutely we need vaccine apartheid UK, unvaccinated are second class citizens who should stay at home always "That is dangerous territory no one wants to apply. Just put a star of David on them because they not vaccinated. I can't believe after All the history you willing to sacrafice that logic. Just for personal gain ... | |||
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"No he should delay things till everyone's been vaccinated twice then he should lift lockdown on double vaccinated people for a short while at least so they can enjoy life a little Those who refuses the vaccine we would still need to test them before entry to most places and controlled self isolation imposed if they failed the test. Those who might have an adverse reaction to the vaccine ? unfortunately will need to wait till a new version is developed that suits them..then they should take the jab twice.. The borders should be closed and no one allowed in or out until we have a solution. If we do it quickly then we will be closed for less time Carry on like that then until Christmas..then decide it's time to let the _ockdowners free and hopefully life to carry on again Absolutely we need vaccine apartheid UK, unvaccinated are second class citizens who should stay at home always
That is dangerous territory no one wants to apply. Just put a star of David on them because they not vaccinated. I can't believe after All the history you willing to sacrafice that logic. Just for personal gain ..."This goes for people who have not had the flu vaccination too, they should stay at home and away from the responsible flu vaccinated. | |||
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"Well it honestly is not a surprise, as for the covid passport it's just id cards by a different name, in normal circumstances it takes a judge and jury of your peers to restrict your freedom, but everyone is just handing this over, and everyone is enjoying it, we are heading straight into a dictatorship and nobody is calling it out, it should be fab disability as you are all blind to what's happening. " Do you have a passport and/or driving licence? Do they restrict your freedom or enhance it? | |||
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"Well it honestly is not a surprise, as for the covid passport it's just id cards by a different name, in normal circumstances it takes a judge and jury of your peers to restrict your freedom, but everyone is just handing this over, and everyone is enjoying it, we are heading straight into a dictatorship and nobody is calling it out, it should be fab disability as you are all blind to what's happening. Do you have a passport and/or driving licence? Do they restrict your freedom or enhance it?" I have a UK ID card. (Foreigner. Lol) | |||
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"No he should delay things till everyone's been vaccinated twice then he should lift lockdown on double vaccinated people for a short while at least so they can enjoy life a little Those who refuses the vaccine we would still need to test them before entry to most places and controlled self isolation imposed if they failed the test. Those who might have an adverse reaction to the vaccine ? unfortunately will need to wait till a new version is developed that suits them..then they should take the jab twice.. The borders should be closed and no one allowed in or out until we have a solution. If we do it quickly then we will be closed for less time Carry on like that then until Christmas..then decide it's time to let the _ockdowners free and hopefully life to carry on again Absolutely we need vaccine apartheid UK, unvaccinated are second class citizens who should stay at home always
That is dangerous territory no one wants to apply. Just put a star of David on them because they not vaccinated. I can't believe after All the history you willing to sacrafice that logic. Just for personal gain ...
This goes for people who have not had the flu vaccination too, they should stay at home and away from the responsible flu vaccinated."You live a sheltered life... | |||
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"Well it honestly is not a surprise, as for the covid passport it's just id cards by a different name, in normal circumstances it takes a judge and jury of your peers to restrict your freedom, but everyone is just handing this over, and everyone is enjoying it, we are heading straight into a dictatorship and nobody is calling it out, it should be fab disability as you are all blind to what's happening. Do you have a passport and/or driving licence? Do they restrict your freedom or enhance it? I have a UK ID card. (Foreigner. Lol)" Why we let the Aussies in I just don't know ...  | |||
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"More to the point I can't understand why the strategy and comms seem so poor. Surely they should have gone with... We need another 10 weeks... Or maybe 8...and then there's a good chance they can bring it in sooner and people would say what a cracking job they've done... This way... We may well need a further 4 weeks for the vaccine to "activate" and people will be moaning.... " This something I have said all along if we had come down on this hard and fast every time with the correct communication we would be in a much better position now | |||
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"Anyone care to explain how he can claim the delay is due to public health concerns an then make an exception of the Euros which saw 22,500 fans at Wembley which may have sat socially distanced watching but did not observe social distancing when leaving the stadium? It's nothing to do with public health. It's to do with deflection of the public from the shambles he's making of Brexit and not wanting to reinstate our previous civil rights to live our private lives the way we care to. How can he say its for health reasons and allow 22,500 people to ignore social distancing? " Its probably a test/experiment/control group in the same way that the rave in Liverpool was a couple of months back. | |||
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"No he should delay things till everyone's been vaccinated twice then he should lift lockdown on double vaccinated people for a short while at least so they can enjoy life a little Those who refuses the vaccine we would still need to test them before entry to most places and controlled self isolation imposed if they failed the test. Those who might have an adverse reaction to the vaccine ? unfortunately will need to wait till a new version is developed that suits them..then they should take the jab twice.. The borders should be closed and no one allowed in or out until we have a solution. If we do it quickly then we will be closed for less time Carry on like that then until Christmas..then decide it's time to let the _ockdowners free and hopefully life to carry on again Absolutely we need vaccine apartheid UK, unvaccinated are second class citizens who should stay at home always
That is dangerous territory no one wants to apply. Just put a star of David on them because they not vaccinated. I can't believe after All the history you willing to sacrafice that logic. Just for personal gain ...
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