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"With all the Plans with regards to 21st of June being lifted , I think its all gone in the drain big time. "Everyone needs to wait until Monday and stop speculating. | |||
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"We need to be safe." What is safe though. If the infections fluctuated between 2-8k for every variant, would you lock us down forever. I am starting to agree with what Boris said in July last year. People are becoming addicted to lockdowns. We need to follow the science is what we need to do, and atm the science is inconclusive. Wouldn't like to be the one making the decision Monday. | |||
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"With all the Plans with regards to 21st of June being lifted , I think its all gone in the drain big time.
Everyone needs to wait until Monday and stop speculating. "Absolutely | |||
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"We need to be safe. What is safe though. If the infections fluctuated between 2-8k for every variant, would you lock us down forever. I am starting to agree with what Boris said in July last year. People are becoming addicted to lockdowns. We need to follow the science is what we need to do, and atm the science is inconclusive. Wouldn't like to be the one making the decision Monday. " Addicted to furlough or homeworking more like. And If neither of them then brainwashed by fear. Let’s face it, if people needed to get back to normality to survive, they’d be well up for it. Let’s not kid ourselves this is still about a “deadly pandemic”. This is about lockdown being far too comfortable for a hell of a lot of people. They don’t want to get back to normal, they love the fear and they love the lockdown life. | |||
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"Not sure the theatre industry , nightclubs , wedding planners and venues , caterers , musicians and bands/love gigs, festivals and yes swinging club owners would agree with that things are pretty much back to normal ." Also Park Run, Adult Education Classes, University students | |||
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"Not sure the theatre industry , nightclubs , wedding planners and venues , caterers , musicians and bands/love gigs, festivals and yes swinging club owners would agree with that things are pretty much back to normal . Also Park Run, Adult Education Classes, University students" Oh this list could go on and on!! Back to normal!! Hahahaha what a shame so many people think this is the case. Get your head out of the clouds, walk around any city centre and then have a little think to yourself... is this ‘normal’? | |||
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"Do people still really honestly believe that Covid1984 is going to wipe everyone out? The the propaganda behind this plandemic is textbook. The whole thing is one great big crock of horse shit. Lies built upon more lies. Doris and his bunch of narcissistic puppets are taking the piss out of everyone and people are lapping up their shite. And it would appear that getting double jabbed is making no difference whatsoever to restrictions. Still muzzled, still being expected to anti - social distance. Muzzle up folks, they arent finished with you yet. Monthly jabs for new fake variants anyone? As long as people keep watching the telly and believing their crap this utter rubbish will never end. P.s Are we allowed to wipe our arses yet? Doris hasn't mentioned anything, so we arent sure if we should. " Most people on here will defend this utter covid nonsense until the bitter end. It’s astonishing that anyone thinks this ‘response’ is anywhere near proportionate to the risk. ‘Normal’ has gone forever, and unfortunately so has someone sense. Have a lovely day. | |||
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"With all the Plans with regards to 21st of June being lifted , I think its all gone in the drain big time. "21st was never going to happen . Just a date plucked out of thin air | |||
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"Do people still really honestly believe that Covid1984 is going to wipe everyone out? The the propaganda behind this plandemic is textbook. The whole thing is one great big crock of horse shit. Lies built upon more lies. Doris and his bunch of narcissistic puppets are taking the piss out of everyone and people are lapping up their shite. And it would appear that getting double jabbed is making no difference whatsoever to restrictions. Still muzzled, still being expected to anti - social distance. Muzzle up folks, they arent finished with you yet. Monthly jabs for new fake variants anyone? As long as people keep watching the telly and believing their crap this utter rubbish will never end. P.s Are we allowed to wipe our arses yet? Doris hasn't mentioned anything, so we arent sure if we should. " Apparently there is an announcement on Monday about arse wiping. The BBC have said it’s still not safe. | |||
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"With all the Plans with regards to 21st of June being lifted , I think its all gone in the drain big time.
Everyone needs to wait until Monday and stop speculating. " . Really ? It's all been leaked to the media (as per usual) by the government. So when our incompetent , not fit for office leader addresses the nation he won't say anything that we don't already know . Its the way they do things | |||
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"Exactly what restrictions are still in place that are causing people to moan so much about?? As far as I can see pretty much everything is back to normal!!!" Eureka isn't open. That is the only restriction which affects my life at the moment. I can live with the rest! | |||
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"Do people still really honestly believe that Covid1984 is going to wipe everyone out? The the propaganda behind this plandemic is textbook. The whole thing is one great big crock of horse shit. Lies built upon more lies. Doris and his bunch of narcissistic puppets are taking the piss out of everyone and people are lapping up their shite. And it would appear that getting double jabbed is making no difference whatsoever to restrictions. Still muzzled, still being expected to anti - social distance. Muzzle up folks, they arent finished with you yet. Monthly jabs for new fake variants anyone? As long as people keep watching the telly and believing their crap this utter rubbish will never end. P.s Are we allowed to wipe our arses yet? Doris hasn't mentioned anything, so we arent sure if we should. " Chunk of voters think government failed to put in enough controls to reduce Covid deaths whilst another group think it’s not about a virus it’s all faked and it’s about control . Now we can all discuss the right and wrong approaches in managing public health. Do we accept a high death toll in a pandemic or do we try to minimise deaths and illness and at what cost.. Those who genuinely and unquestionably believe it’s all a fiction certainly need treatment, it’s a condition know as Schizophrenia.  | |||
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"Do people still really honestly believe that Covid1984 is going to wipe everyone out? The the propaganda behind this plandemic is textbook. The whole thing is one great big crock of horse shit. Lies built upon more lies. Doris and his bunch of narcissistic puppets are taking the piss out of everyone and people are lapping up their shite. And it would appear that getting double jabbed is making no difference whatsoever to restrictions. Still muzzled, still being expected to anti - social distance. Muzzle up folks, they arent finished with you yet. Monthly jabs for new fake variants anyone? As long as people keep watching the telly and believing their crap this utter rubbish will never end. P.s Are we allowed to wipe our arses yet? Doris hasn't mentioned anything, so we arent sure if we should. " YAWN.....AND YET ANOTHER ONE...MOVE ALONG THE BUS PLEASE | |||
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"Do people still really honestly believe that Covid1984 is going to wipe everyone out? The the propaganda behind this plandemic is textbook. The whole thing is one great big crock of horse shit. Lies built upon more lies. Doris and his bunch of narcissistic puppets are taking the piss out of everyone and people are lapping up their shite. And it would appear that getting double jabbed is making no difference whatsoever to restrictions. Still muzzled, still being expected to anti - social distance. Muzzle up folks, they arent finished with you yet. Monthly jabs for new fake variants anyone? As long as people keep watching the telly and believing their crap this utter rubbish will never end. P.s Are we allowed to wipe our arses yet? Doris hasn't mentioned anything, so we arent sure if we should. " | |||
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"Do people still really honestly believe that Covid1984 is going to wipe everyone out? The the propaganda behind this plandemic is textbook. The whole thing is one great big crock of horse shit. Lies built upon more lies. Doris and his bunch of narcissistic puppets are taking the piss out of everyone and people are lapping up their shite. And it would appear that getting double jabbed is making no difference whatsoever to restrictions. Still muzzled, still being expected to anti - social distance. Muzzle up folks, they arent finished with you yet. Monthly jabs for new fake variants anyone? As long as people keep watching the telly and believing their crap this utter rubbish will never end. P.s Are we allowed to wipe our arses yet? Doris hasn't mentioned anything, so we arent sure if we should. Chunk of voters think government failed to put in enough controls to reduce Covid deaths whilst another group think it’s not about a virus it’s all faked and it’s about control . Now we can all discuss the right and wrong approaches in managing public health. Do we accept a high death toll in a pandemic or do we try to minimise deaths and illness and at what cost.. Those who genuinely and unquestionably believe it’s all a fiction certainly need treatment, it’s a condition know as Schizophrenia. "
So delaying this is necessary so we can review the data. It might not be needed, but if we find ourselves in a situation we're it is. With no limits on behaviour. We are fucked | |||
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"With all the Plans with regards to 21st of June being lifted , I think its all gone in the drain big time. "Not sure why everyone is so surprised? The date was never set in stone and was /still is subject to change. So why so many are now whinging because they feel the government has let them down is frankly a bit baffling. Do people not read anymore out there? I mean decent newspapers and research websites with some integrity not YT and the daily failure current bun. Perhaps if people stopped mentally ingesting the rubbish the tabloids and Common or garden YT 'experts' and their conspiracy Qanon ways of thinking? people might actually understand what is happening in the world . currently it seems so many of you out there are utterly clueless and are still demanding your 'normal ( but that's never going to be the same again !) lives back. Losing count of the number who are now back meeting for sex when restrictions haven't lifted at all have they? and yet people still are seemingly ignoring the current situation and the sheer number of Covid deaths in India recently.Its that more dangerous variant that's bothering everyone btw ! Wittering on about the vaccine not working is pointless because people out there still refuse to have it.. that's the way to get the country opened up again btw! so go and get the jab so the rest if us can start making some attempt at normal life again and stop moaning about lockdowns when you are the people effectively causing it ..ta ! | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!!" It's a conversation we might have to have very soon. | |||
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"Do people still really honestly believe that Covid1984 is going to wipe everyone out? The the propaganda behind this plandemic is textbook. The whole thing is one great big crock of horse shit. Lies built upon more lies. Doris and his bunch of narcissistic puppets are taking the piss out of everyone and people are lapping up their shite. And it would appear that getting double jabbed is making no difference whatsoever to restrictions. Still muzzled, still being expected to anti - social distance. Muzzle up folks, they arent finished with you yet. Monthly jabs for new fake variants anyone? As long as people keep watching the telly and believing their crap this utter rubbish will never end. P.s Are we allowed to wipe our arses yet? Doris hasn't mentioned anything, so we arent sure if we should. Chunk of voters think government failed to put in enough controls to reduce Covid deaths whilst another group think it’s not about a virus it’s all faked and it’s about control . Now we can all discuss the right and wrong approaches in managing public health. Do we accept a high death toll in a pandemic or do we try to minimise deaths and illness and at what cost.. Those who genuinely and unquestionably believe it’s all a fiction certainly need treatment, it’s a condition know as Schizophrenia. "Hmmmm is it really that simple? You either believe in full lockdowns or you don’t think the virus even exists! Not quite, pal. Some people are just sceptical that the measures taken are by no means in-proportion to the risk from the virus. 99.9% survival rate n all that... but yes, OK, i get it, it’s easier for you to just label anybody that doesn’t agree with you as a schizophrenic. | |||
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"With all the Plans with regards to 21st of June being lifted , I think its all gone in the drain big time.
Everyone needs to wait until Monday and stop speculating.
He won't say it though probs leave it to Hancock to deal with
. Really ? It's all been leaked to the media (as per usual) by the government. So when our incompetent , not fit for office leader addresses the nation he won't say anything that we don't already know . Its the way they do things " | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!!" And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. | |||
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"Do people still really honestly believe that Covid1984 is going to wipe everyone out? The the propaganda behind this plandemic is textbook. The whole thing is one great big crock of horse shit. Lies built upon more lies. Doris and his bunch of narcissistic puppets are taking the piss out of everyone and people are lapping up their shite. And it would appear that getting double jabbed is making no difference whatsoever to restrictions. Still muzzled, still being expected to anti - social distance. Muzzle up folks, they arent finished with you yet. Monthly jabs for new fake variants anyone? As long as people keep watching the telly and believing their crap this utter rubbish will never end. P.s Are we allowed to wipe our arses yet? Doris hasn't mentioned anything, so we arent sure if we should. Chunk of voters think government failed to put in enough controls to reduce Covid deaths whilst another group think it’s not about a virus it’s all faked and it’s about control . Now we can all discuss the right and wrong approaches in managing public health. Do we accept a high death toll in a pandemic or do we try to minimise deaths and illness and at what cost.. Those who genuinely and unquestionably believe it’s all a fiction certainly need treatment, it’s a condition know as Schizophrenia.
Hmmmm is it really that simple? You either believe in full lockdowns or you don’t think the virus even exists! Not quite, pal. Some people are just sceptical that the measures taken are by no means in-proportion to the risk from the virus. 99.9% survival rate n all that... but yes, OK, i get it, it’s easier for you to just label anybody that doesn’t agree with you as a schizophrenic. "It's live science. The world is literally in the midst of a live science experiment. We aren't going to get it right every time. Best we can expect is sensible educated decisions based on data. | |||
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"Do people still really honestly believe that Covid1984 is going to wipe everyone out? The the propaganda behind this plandemic is textbook. The whole thing is one great big crock of horse shit. Lies built upon more lies. Doris and his bunch of narcissistic puppets are taking the piss out of everyone and people are lapping up their shite. And it would appear that getting double jabbed is making no difference whatsoever to restrictions. Still muzzled, still being expected to anti - social distance. Muzzle up folks, they arent finished with you yet. Monthly jabs for new fake variants anyone? As long as people keep watching the telly and believing their crap this utter rubbish will never end. P.s Are we allowed to wipe our arses yet? Doris hasn't mentioned anything, so we arent sure if we should. Chunk of voters think government failed to put in enough controls to reduce Covid deaths whilst another group think it’s not about a virus it’s all faked and it’s about control . Now we can all discuss the right and wrong approaches in managing public health. Do we accept a high death toll in a pandemic or do we try to minimise deaths and illness and at what cost.. Those who genuinely and unquestionably believe it’s all a fiction certainly need treatment, it’s a condition know as Schizophrenia.
Hmmmm is it really that simple? You either believe in full lockdowns or you don’t think the virus even exists! Not quite, pal. Some people are just sceptical that the measures taken are by no means in-proportion to the risk from the virus. 99.9% survival rate n all that... but yes, OK, i get it, it’s easier for you to just label anybody that doesn’t agree with you as a schizophrenic.
It's live science. The world is literally in the midst of a live science experiment. We aren't going to get it right every time. Best we can expect is sensible educated decisions based on data. "Well that’s the trouble isn’t it, Whose data do you want to read? Dodgy tests and skewed death rates suggest to me that the current data is flawed. Rubbish in, rubbish out n all that. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile." It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!!"  | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile." 'Create'? ..no it's people who are creating this not governments. Of course people have a choice to do what they wish to. However, be mindful that choice brings consequence. So yes by all means refuse or reject something but understand that will impact in some way particularly if it is not what everyone else agrees to. It's sheer naivety of anyone now who refuses the vaccine or to be tested to expect that this won't effect their everyday work and life in the future. Restrictions of some kind are inevitable..people will take sides..they already are taking sides..I didn't think I would but already have refused workers visit my home who can't prove vaccination status . working rules and regulations and some jobs that are now insisting on double vaccination proof to be able to work somewhere you know!.. I will continue not to allow any tradesman into my home without proof of vaccination and I would refuse to be treated by a doctor or NHS worker for the same reason..I feel I'm justified doing this others will disagree . It is sad but it's inevitable that people who think they can have a choice in something will eventually have to pay a price for making that decision not to follow the herd. The more who get vaccinated the more of a minority group those who genuinely can't be vaccinated will become and somewhat not impacted by this for sure . The remainder of people with a conscience /free thinkers all ? may as well start to think about an alternative 'off grid' way of living away from what is going to become the new normal . Not sure why you mentioned Blair though? two tier society is always every politicians dream isn't it? ..though in this case it may not be just the politicians who are going to be looking for some form of segregation in the years to come I can assure you of that . | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!!" Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? | |||
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"With all the Plans with regards to 21st of June being lifted , I think its all gone in the drain big time. "i think we need to say enough is enough and get on with life , they seem to be getting on with it in cornwall | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! It's a conversation we might have to have very soon. " Yes, I think it's time. The elderly in particular have suffered enough. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position?" Or that no one really buys their crap, and they're fast becoming a mocked minority. | |||
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"Do people still really honestly believe that Covid1984 is going to wipe everyone out? The the propaganda behind this plandemic is textbook. The whole thing is one great big crock of horse shit. Lies built upon more lies. Doris and his bunch of narcissistic puppets are taking the piss out of everyone and people are lapping up their shite. And it would appear that getting double jabbed is making no difference whatsoever to restrictions. Still muzzled, still being expected to anti - social distance. Muzzle up folks, they arent finished with you yet. Monthly jabs for new fake variants anyone? As long as people keep watching the telly and believing their crap this utter rubbish will never end. P.s Are we allowed to wipe our arses yet? Doris hasn't mentioned anything, so we arent sure if we should. Chunk of voters think government failed to put in enough controls to reduce Covid deaths whilst another group think it’s not about a virus it’s all faked and it’s about control . Now we can all discuss the right and wrong approaches in managing public health. Do we accept a high death toll in a pandemic or do we try to minimise deaths and illness and at what cost.. Those who genuinely and unquestionably believe it’s all a fiction certainly need treatment, it’s a condition know as Schizophrenia.
Hmmmm is it really that simple? You either believe in full lockdowns or you don’t think the virus even exists! Not quite, pal. Some people are just sceptical that the measures taken are by no means in-proportion to the risk from the virus. 99.9% survival rate n all that... but yes, OK, i get it, it’s easier for you to just label anybody that doesn’t agree with you as a schizophrenic.
It's live science. The world is literally in the midst of a live science experiment. We aren't going to get it right every time. Best we can expect is sensible educated decisions based on data.
Well that’s the trouble isn’t it, Whose data do you want to read? Dodgy tests and skewed death rates suggest to me that the current data is flawed. Rubbish in, rubbish out n all that."It's not who's data you want to read. It's how it's interpreted. The same as every other piece of science ever. Some (most) scientists are absolute loons. Who regularly get it wrong. The big difference between that and now is we don't have to suffer real life consequences. | |||
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"Not sure the theatre industry , nightclubs , wedding planners and venues , caterers , musicians and bands/love gigs, festivals and yes swinging club owners would agree with that things are pretty much back to normal ." But all the construction industry, school's, hospital's, manufacturing, distribution, shop's,a good percentage of office workers, transport,police,fire, libraries, pub's, restaurants, estate agents,fishing, oil,food processing, farming the list goes on..... Will agree restrictions are now limited. Whilst it's sad that some places are still under restrictions that's for a very good reason. I don't like lockdown or restrictions but unfortunately they are a necessary evil. You can come up with as many reasons as you like to justify lifting them but the one reason to keep them in place (virus) far outweighs all others. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile." You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Or that no one really buys their crap, and they're fast becoming a mocked minority." I think there is as much chance of that happening as there is of the world being flat  | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Or that no one really buys their crap, and they're fast becoming a mocked minority. I think there is as much chance of that happening as there is of the world being flat "I think they realise they're a minority and it's not going their way. But that's because they're the true maverick saviours of society or some shit. *shrug* | |||
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"I don't believe it's safe just yet since cases have climbed rapidly wasn't long ago was 2k now it's around 7 or even 8,9k and the deaths used to be pretty low now even this has reached 3xs more whilst we have lovely weather and only 6 months till Christmas I think it's worth waiting enough people have died already "So this kind of double thinking isn't helping either. Nor is it helped by a scaremongering media. Restrictions should be delayed by 2 weeks initially, but for different reasons than you are stating. 1. We need to see if we can get infections under control. At the moment it seems we can't. 2. We need to know what the infection-Hospitalisations-ventilation-fatality ratio is. We currently don't have the data to do that. Zoe symptoms study has suggested this is could be a milder form of the virus. Albeit much more transmissible. Charging ahead without properly analysing data is irresponsible at best. | |||
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"I don't believe it's safe just yet since cases have climbed rapidly wasn't long ago was 2k now it's around 7 or even 8,9k and the deaths used to be pretty low now even this has reached 3xs more whilst we have lovely weather and only 6 months till Christmas I think it's worth waiting enough people have died already
So this kind of double thinking isn't helping either. Nor is it helped by a scaremongering media.
Restrictions should be delayed by 2 weeks initially, but for different reasons than you are stating.
1. We need to see if we can get infections under control. At the moment it seems we can't.
2. We need to know what the infection-Hospitalisations-ventilation-fatality ratio is. We currently don't have the data to do that. Zoe symptoms study has suggested this is could be a milder form of the virus. Albeit much more transmissible.
Charging ahead without properly analysing data is irresponsible at best. "I suspect the analysis is underway, conclusions have been or are being drawn. I'm not following closely enough to comment meaningfully on it, but I suspect this analysis has been pretty continuous since February or March last year. | |||
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"I don't believe it's safe just yet since cases have climbed rapidly wasn't long ago was 2k now it's around 7 or even 8,9k and the deaths used to be pretty low now even this has reached 3xs more whilst we have lovely weather and only 6 months till Christmas I think it's worth waiting enough people have died already
So this kind of double thinking isn't helping either. Nor is it helped by a scaremongering media.
Restrictions should be delayed by 2 weeks initially, but for different reasons than you are stating.
1. We need to see if we can get infections under control. At the moment it seems we can't.
2. We need to know what the infection-Hospitalisations-ventilation-fatality ratio is. We currently don't have the data to do that. Zoe symptoms study has suggested this is could be a milder form of the virus. Albeit much more transmissible.
Charging ahead without properly analysing data is irresponsible at best.
I suspect the analysis is underway, conclusions have been or are being drawn. I'm not following closely enough to comment meaningfully on it, but I suspect this analysis has been pretty continuous since February or March last year."So I was specifically talking about the effect of this delta variant on society as a whole. Vaccinated and unvaccinated. The interesting thing about it is the amount of symptoms you get are far fewer. Loss of smell taste and a continuous cough have pretty much gone. We have only had the Delta Variant as the dominant strain now for a few weeks. This isn't long enough to study the long term effects on UK society. Vaccinated and unvaccinated. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! "Ah right ok! So nobody plan anything. Let’s all stay in our houses forever, be good little drones and for heavens sake, stop whinging. | |||
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"I don't believe it's safe just yet since cases have climbed rapidly wasn't long ago was 2k now it's around 7 or even 8,9k and the deaths used to be pretty low now even this has reached 3xs more whilst we have lovely weather and only 6 months till Christmas I think it's worth waiting enough people have died already
So this kind of double thinking isn't helping either. Nor is it helped by a scaremongering media.
Restrictions should be delayed by 2 weeks initially, but for different reasons than you are stating.
1. We need to see if we can get infections under control. At the moment it seems we can't.
2. We need to know what the infection-Hospitalisations-ventilation-fatality ratio is. We currently don't have the data to do that. Zoe symptoms study has suggested this is could be a milder form of the virus. Albeit much more transmissible.
Charging ahead without properly analysing data is irresponsible at best.
I suspect the analysis is underway, conclusions have been or are being drawn. I'm not following closely enough to comment meaningfully on it, but I suspect this analysis has been pretty continuous since February or March last year.
So I was specifically talking about the effect of this delta variant on society as a whole. Vaccinated and unvaccinated. The interesting thing about it is the amount of symptoms you get are far fewer. Loss of smell taste and a continuous cough have pretty much gone.
We have only had the Delta Variant as the dominant strain now for a few weeks. This isn't long enough to study the long term effects on UK society. Vaccinated and unvaccinated. "https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/coronavirus/headache-runny-nose-and-sore-throat-top-three-symptoms-of-delta-variant-says-researcher/ I personally watched Tim spectors video blog were he stated all this | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. " My words without substance? Hahahahaha, read your last response... you reeled off a whole pile of words with no substance! Get a grip, this virus isn’t as deadly as you’re being told. Stop living in fear, get out and have a great time and stop think the government is going to save you. | |||
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"I don't believe it's safe just yet since cases have climbed rapidly wasn't long ago was 2k now it's around 7 or even 8,9k and the deaths used to be pretty low now even this has reached 3xs more whilst we have lovely weather and only 6 months till Christmas I think it's worth waiting enough people have died already
So this kind of double thinking isn't helping either. Nor is it helped by a scaremongering media.
Restrictions should be delayed by 2 weeks initially, but for different reasons than you are stating.
1. We need to see if we can get infections under control. At the moment it seems we can't.
2. We need to know what the infection-Hospitalisations-ventilation-fatality ratio is. We currently don't have the data to do that. Zoe symptoms study has suggested this is could be a milder form of the virus. Albeit much more transmissible.
Charging ahead without properly analysing data is irresponsible at best.
I suspect the analysis is underway, conclusions have been or are being drawn. I'm not following closely enough to comment meaningfully on it, but I suspect this analysis has been pretty continuous since February or March last year.
So I was specifically talking about the effect of this delta variant on society as a whole. Vaccinated and unvaccinated. The interesting thing about it is the amount of symptoms you get are far fewer. Loss of smell taste and a continuous cough have pretty much gone.
We have only had the Delta Variant as the dominant strain now for a few weeks. This isn't long enough to study the long term effects on UK society. Vaccinated and unvaccinated. "Sure. But presumably those able to do the analysis are on it, and can extrapolate from existing data? | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. My words without substance? Hahahahaha, read your last response... you reeled off a whole pile of words with no substance! Get a grip, this virus isn’t as deadly as you’re being told. Stop living in fear, get out and have a great time and stop think the government is going to save you. " I don't believe my government is going to save me. My opinion is far more nuanced than that. I'm saying that everyone has to make there own decisions. But don't expect the same privileges or zero consequences when you do. FYI I'm out of the house everyday doing something and I don't believe lockdowns or long term restrictions are the answer. Nor do I agree with blindly opening everything up just because I'm bored or horny without properly studying the data. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. My words without substance? Hahahahaha, read your last response... you reeled off a whole pile of words with no substance! Get a grip, this virus isn’t as deadly as you’re being told. Stop living in fear, get out and have a great time and stop think the government is going to save you. I don't believe my government is going to save me. My opinion is far more nuanced than that. I'm saying that everyone has to make there own decisions. But don't expect the same privileges or zero consequences when you do. FYI I'm out of the house everyday doing something and I don't believe lockdowns or long term restrictions are the answer. Nor do I agree with blindly opening everything up just because I'm bored or horny without properly studying the data. " I'm still mostly a shut in, but yes - there's nuance in the data and responses need to change as the situation evolves. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. My words without substance? Hahahahaha, read your last response... you reeled off a whole pile of words with no substance! Get a grip, this virus isn’t as deadly as you’re being told. Stop living in fear, get out and have a great time and stop think the government is going to save you. I don't believe my government is going to save me. My opinion is far more nuanced than that. I'm saying that everyone has to make there own decisions. But don't expect the same privileges or zero consequences when you do. FYI I'm out of the house everyday doing something and I don't believe lockdowns or long term restrictions are the answer. Nor do I agree with blindly opening everything up just because I'm bored or horny without properly studying the data. I'm still mostly a shut in, but yes - there's nuance in the data and responses need to change as the situation evolves." My fear is that media. Not science is dictating policy. Opening up fully (if the assumption this is now a milder form of the virus is true) could actually be our way out of this now. But it'd be incredibly irresponsible to do so without scientific basis. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. My words without substance? Hahahahaha, read your last response... you reeled off a whole pile of words with no substance! Get a grip, this virus isn’t as deadly as you’re being told. Stop living in fear, get out and have a great time and stop think the government is going to save you. I don't believe my government is going to save me. My opinion is far more nuanced than that. I'm saying that everyone has to make there own decisions. But don't expect the same privileges or zero consequences when you do. FYI I'm out of the house everyday doing something and I don't believe lockdowns or long term restrictions are the answer. Nor do I agree with blindly opening everything up just because I'm bored or horny without properly studying the data. I'm still mostly a shut in, but yes - there's nuance in the data and responses need to change as the situation evolves. My fear is that media. Not science is dictating policy. Opening up fully (if the assumption this is now a milder form of the virus is true) could actually be our way out of this now. But it'd be incredibly irresponsible to do so without scientific basis. " I've heard things like higher rates of hospitalisation, but there's so much going around that it's hard to keep stories straight. The government is being pulled in lots of different directions - I agree that it needs to be based on the best data, although obviously data is not a moral imperative. I know what I need to do, and I'm just keeping my head down and getting on with it. Now that I've had both jabs, I'm going to ease up a little in a couple of weeks | |||
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"I mostly agree with this Sophie but as said previously the vocal minorities arguments are not entirely without merit. I'm all for studying data and making decisions based on this. What I don't agree with is falling hook line and sinker for fear mongering promoted by a uneducated media. This is my biggest point right now. MSM leaking important decisions has been nothing short of disgusting " Tbh I stopped paying attention apart from scanning headlines over a year ago. I listen to science podcasts. (The news is a handy shortcut to the law. If Boris says that we must wear yellow hats on Wednesday, well I don't want to break the law so I'll get a yellow hat. I don't think political decisions are significant, but I don't want a criminal record ) | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. My words without substance? Hahahahaha, read your last response... you reeled off a whole pile of words with no substance! Get a grip, this virus isn’t as deadly as you’re being told. Stop living in fear, get out and have a great time and stop think the government is going to save you. I don't believe my government is going to save me. My opinion is far more nuanced than that. I'm saying that everyone has to make there own decisions. But don't expect the same privileges or zero consequences when you do. FYI I'm out of the house everyday doing something and I don't believe lockdowns or long term restrictions are the answer. Nor do I agree with blindly opening everything up just because I'm bored or horny without properly studying the data. I'm still mostly a shut in, but yes - there's nuance in the data and responses need to change as the situation evolves. My fear is that media. Not science is dictating policy. Opening up fully (if the assumption this is now a milder form of the virus is true) could actually be our way out of this now. But it'd be incredibly irresponsible to do so without scientific basis. I've heard things like higher rates of hospitalisation, but there's so much going around that it's hard to keep stories straight. The government is being pulled in lots of different directions - I agree that it needs to be based on the best data, although obviously data is not a moral imperative. I know what I need to do, and I'm just keeping my head down and getting on with it. Now that I've had both jabs, I'm going to ease up a little in a couple of weeks" So hospitalisations have increased as have people on ventilation. But nowhere near the ratio of the alpha strain. Now this is where it gets tricky. Infections have exploded other the last week. It normally takes a 3 week turn around to see what the results of these infections are. If we open fully now and we see similar ratios to the alpha variant. The NHS could be fucked and we are back to 30,000+ infections a day with 6000+ hospitalisations and 2000+ on ventilation (using these figures as an example). If what happens in my opinion (only a opinion) and keep restrictions as they are and we get to 18000+ infections a day. 1800+ in hospital with 400+ on ventilation we then know what risk we are working with, but if we do any of this without analysing data. Then that is incredibly irresponsible. | |||
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" So hospitalisations have increased as have people on ventilation. But nowhere near the ratio of the alpha strain. Now this is where it gets tricky. Infections have exploded other the last week. It normally takes a 3 week turn around to see what the results of these infections are. If we open fully now and we see similar ratios to the alpha variant. The NHS could be fucked and we are back to 30,000+ infections a day with 6000+ hospitalisations and 2000+ on ventilation (using these figures as an example). If what happens in my opinion (only a opinion) and keep restrictions as they are and we get to 18000+ infections a day. 1800+ in hospital with 400+ on ventilation we then know what risk we are working with, but if we do any of this without analysing data. Then that is incredibly irresponsible. " I suspect smarter (and more trained) minds than me could take the data from India re Delta, adjust Indian model for UK medical care/socio-economic status, bring in models on vaccination and it breaking the link between infection-hospitalisation-death. Tricky, as you say. Lots of balls to juggle/ variables/ confounding factors. But - this is why I'm not in charge, even the notion of working that shit out makes my head hurt
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" So hospitalisations have increased as have people on ventilation. But nowhere near the ratio of the alpha strain. Now this is where it gets tricky. Infections have exploded other the last week. It normally takes a 3 week turn around to see what the results of these infections are. If we open fully now and we see similar ratios to the alpha variant. The NHS could be fucked and we are back to 30,000+ infections a day with 6000+ hospitalisations and 2000+ on ventilation (using these figures as an example). If what happens in my opinion (only a opinion) and keep restrictions as they are and we get to 18000+ infections a day. 1800+ in hospital with 400+ on ventilation we then know what risk we are working with, but if we do any of this without analysing data. Then that is incredibly irresponsible. I suspect smarter (and more trained) minds than me could take the data from India re Delta, adjust Indian model for UK medical care/socio-economic status, bring in models on vaccination and it breaking the link between infection-hospitalisation-death. Tricky, as you say. Lots of balls to juggle/ variables/ confounding factors. But - this is why I'm not in charge, even the notion of working that shit out makes my head hurt
I suspect, to a point, such models already exist. How that gets translated to the politicians and the public is another matter."I don't think they do. Only because of the fairly new emergence of this strain and the gulf in India's medical system and ours. I may be wrong here but I think the UK is the first Western country where this strain has run riot. Re: far smarter minds then ours. I agree and that's why they are paid the money they are haha. My fear is they aren't dictating policy the media (who aren't far more intelligent than us) is. | |||
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" So hospitalisations have increased as have people on ventilation. But nowhere near the ratio of the alpha strain. Now this is where it gets tricky. Infections have exploded other the last week. It normally takes a 3 week turn around to see what the results of these infections are. If we open fully now and we see similar ratios to the alpha variant. The NHS could be fucked and we are back to 30,000+ infections a day with 6000+ hospitalisations and 2000+ on ventilation (using these figures as an example). If what happens in my opinion (only a opinion) and keep restrictions as they are and we get to 18000+ infections a day. 1800+ in hospital with 400+ on ventilation we then know what risk we are working with, but if we do any of this without analysing data. Then that is incredibly irresponsible. I suspect smarter (and more trained) minds than me could take the data from India re Delta, adjust Indian model for UK medical care/socio-economic status, bring in models on vaccination and it breaking the link between infection-hospitalisation-death. Tricky, as you say. Lots of balls to juggle/ variables/ confounding factors. But - this is why I'm not in charge, even the notion of working that shit out makes my head hurt
I suspect, to a point, such models already exist. How that gets translated to the politicians and the public is another matter.
I don't think they do. Only because of the fairly new emergence of this strain and the gulf in India's medical system and ours. I may be wrong here but I think the UK is the first Western country where this strain has run riot.
Re: far smarter minds then ours. I agree and that's why they are paid the money they are haha. My fear is they aren't dictating policy the media (who aren't far more intelligent than us) is. "For example the mirror has already released a story today that we are going to have 100,000 infections a day by July. See my point. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. My words without substance? Hahahahaha, read your last response... you reeled off a whole pile of words with no substance! Get a grip, this virus isn’t as deadly as you’re being told. Stop living in fear, get out and have a great time and stop think the government is going to save you. I don't believe my government is going to save me. My opinion is far more nuanced than that. I'm saying that everyone has to make there own decisions. But don't expect the same privileges or zero consequences when you do. FYI I'm out of the house everyday doing something and I don't believe lockdowns or long term restrictions are the answer. Nor do I agree with blindly opening everything up just because I'm bored or horny without properly studying the data. " Well then, as I said earlier in the post, it comes down to which data you’re reading and who is presenting it. Dodgy tests + skewed death figures = rubbish data. Rubbish in, rubbish out! | |||
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" So hospitalisations have increased as have people on ventilation. But nowhere near the ratio of the alpha strain. Now this is where it gets tricky. Infections have exploded other the last week. It normally takes a 3 week turn around to see what the results of these infections are. If we open fully now and we see similar ratios to the alpha variant. The NHS could be fucked and we are back to 30,000+ infections a day with 6000+ hospitalisations and 2000+ on ventilation (using these figures as an example). If what happens in my opinion (only a opinion) and keep restrictions as they are and we get to 18000+ infections a day. 1800+ in hospital with 400+ on ventilation we then know what risk we are working with, but if we do any of this without analysing data. Then that is incredibly irresponsible. I suspect smarter (and more trained) minds than me could take the data from India re Delta, adjust Indian model for UK medical care/socio-economic status, bring in models on vaccination and it breaking the link between infection-hospitalisation-death. Tricky, as you say. Lots of balls to juggle/ variables/ confounding factors. But - this is why I'm not in charge, even the notion of working that shit out makes my head hurt
I suspect, to a point, such models already exist. How that gets translated to the politicians and the public is another matter.
I don't think they do. Only because of the fairly new emergence of this strain and the gulf in India's medical system and ours. I may be wrong here but I think the UK is the first Western country where this strain has run riot.
Re: far smarter minds then ours. I agree and that's why they are paid the money they are haha. My fear is they aren't dictating policy the media (who aren't far more intelligent than us) is.
For example the mirror has already released a story today that we are going to have 100,000 infections a day by July. See my point. "Sure. I fear the people who know the science are not being given the weight they need. Other factors matter - economics, mental health, education, etc - but presumably they all suffer knock on effects from getting the science wrong. | |||
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" So hospitalisations have increased as have people on ventilation. But nowhere near the ratio of the alpha strain. Now this is where it gets tricky. Infections have exploded other the last week. It normally takes a 3 week turn around to see what the results of these infections are. If we open fully now and we see similar ratios to the alpha variant. The NHS could be fucked and we are back to 30,000+ infections a day with 6000+ hospitalisations and 2000+ on ventilation (using these figures as an example). If what happens in my opinion (only a opinion) and keep restrictions as they are and we get to 18000+ infections a day. 1800+ in hospital with 400+ on ventilation we then know what risk we are working with, but if we do any of this without analysing data. Then that is incredibly irresponsible. I suspect smarter (and more trained) minds than me could take the data from India re Delta, adjust Indian model for UK medical care/socio-economic status, bring in models on vaccination and it breaking the link between infection-hospitalisation-death. Tricky, as you say. Lots of balls to juggle/ variables/ confounding factors. But - this is why I'm not in charge, even the notion of working that shit out makes my head hurt
I suspect, to a point, such models already exist. How that gets translated to the politicians and the public is another matter.
I don't think they do. Only because of the fairly new emergence of this strain and the gulf in India's medical system and ours. I may be wrong here but I think the UK is the first Western country where this strain has run riot.
Re: far smarter minds then ours. I agree and that's why they are paid the money they are haha. My fear is they aren't dictating policy the media (who aren't far more intelligent than us) is.
For example the mirror has already released a story today that we are going to have 100,000 infections a day by July. See my point. "The pandemic must have been great for the media. Everyone hanging on their every word, waiting for salvation. You might even think it would be in their best interest to keep it going? A government ruled by public opinion + a public brainwashed by the media + a media with a vested interest in keeping this all going = A very long “pandemic” My maths is ace today. | |||
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" So hospitalisations have increased as have people on ventilation. But nowhere near the ratio of the alpha strain. Now this is where it gets tricky. Infections have exploded other the last week. It normally takes a 3 week turn around to see what the results of these infections are. If we open fully now and we see similar ratios to the alpha variant. The NHS could be fucked and we are back to 30,000+ infections a day with 6000+ hospitalisations and 2000+ on ventilation (using these figures as an example). If what happens in my opinion (only a opinion) and keep restrictions as they are and we get to 18000+ infections a day. 1800+ in hospital with 400+ on ventilation we then know what risk we are working with, but if we do any of this without analysing data. Then that is incredibly irresponsible. I suspect smarter (and more trained) minds than me could take the data from India re Delta, adjust Indian model for UK medical care/socio-economic status, bring in models on vaccination and it breaking the link between infection-hospitalisation-death. Tricky, as you say. Lots of balls to juggle/ variables/ confounding factors. But - this is why I'm not in charge, even the notion of working that shit out makes my head hurt
I suspect, to a point, such models already exist. How that gets translated to the politicians and the public is another matter.
I don't think they do. Only because of the fairly new emergence of this strain and the gulf in India's medical system and ours. I may be wrong here but I think the UK is the first Western country where this strain has run riot.
Re: far smarter minds then ours. I agree and that's why they are paid the money they are haha. My fear is they aren't dictating policy the media (who aren't far more intelligent than us) is.
For example the mirror has already released a story today that we are going to have 100,000 infections a day by July. See my point.
Sure. I fear the people who know the science are not being given the weight they need.
Other factors matter - economics, mental health, education, etc - but presumably they all suffer knock on effects from getting the science wrong."Yep. (opinion) we have not seen the MH trade off masks ultimately bring. | |||
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" So hospitalisations have increased as have people on ventilation. But nowhere near the ratio of the alpha strain. Now this is where it gets tricky. Infections have exploded other the last week. It normally takes a 3 week turn around to see what the results of these infections are. If we open fully now and we see similar ratios to the alpha variant. The NHS could be fucked and we are back to 30,000+ infections a day with 6000+ hospitalisations and 2000+ on ventilation (using these figures as an example). If what happens in my opinion (only a opinion) and keep restrictions as they are and we get to 18000+ infections a day. 1800+ in hospital with 400+ on ventilation we then know what risk we are working with, but if we do any of this without analysing data. Then that is incredibly irresponsible. I suspect smarter (and more trained) minds than me could take the data from India re Delta, adjust Indian model for UK medical care/socio-economic status, bring in models on vaccination and it breaking the link between infection-hospitalisation-death. Tricky, as you say. Lots of balls to juggle/ variables/ confounding factors. But - this is why I'm not in charge, even the notion of working that shit out makes my head hurt
I suspect, to a point, such models already exist. How that gets translated to the politicians and the public is another matter.
I don't think they do. Only because of the fairly new emergence of this strain and the gulf in India's medical system and ours. I may be wrong here but I think the UK is the first Western country where this strain has run riot.
Re: far smarter minds then ours. I agree and that's why they are paid the money they are haha. My fear is they aren't dictating policy the media (who aren't far more intelligent than us) is.
For example the mirror has already released a story today that we are going to have 100,000 infections a day by July. See my point.
The pandemic must have been great for the media. Everyone hanging on their every word, waiting for salvation. You might even think it would be in their best interest to keep it going?
A government ruled by public opinion + a public brainwashed by the media + a media with a vested interest in keeping this all going = A very long “pandemic”
My maths is ace today."Apart from you smelling your own farts at the end. This is a point I agree with. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position?" Wrong. Given that the vaccines reduce your chances of catching Covid by about 1%,, even if nobody would have been vaccinated, we still would be in the same situation as we find ourselves in now. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. My words without substance? Hahahahaha, read your last response... you reeled off a whole pile of words with no substance! Get a grip, this virus isn’t as deadly as you’re being told. Stop living in fear, get out and have a great time and stop think the government is going to save you. I don't believe my government is going to save me. My opinion is far more nuanced than that. I'm saying that everyone has to make there own decisions. But don't expect the same privileges or zero consequences when you do. FYI I'm out of the house everyday doing something and I don't believe lockdowns or long term restrictions are the answer. Nor do I agree with blindly opening everything up just because I'm bored or horny without properly studying the data. Well then, as I said earlier in the post, it comes down to which data you’re reading and who is presenting it. Dodgy tests + skewed death figures = rubbish data. Rubbish in, rubbish out!" Yeah. I'm really glad you are not in charge of making these decisions. Your use of hyperbole combined with your inability to see any opinion but your own is really concerning. I mean this at a personal level separated from covid. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Wrong. Given that the vaccines reduce your chances of catching Covid by about 1%,, even if nobody would have been vaccinated, we still would be in the same situation as we find ourselves in now. " Do you have a source for this. I'd genuinely like to read it (the 1% comment) | |||
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"I really dont get the outcry here.. it was always just the earliest date .. to be honest I was surprised the last stage stuck to schedule.. I thought perhaps that going on a 2 to 4 week extension may have made sense but I dont get to see all the data. Yes it must be heartbreaking to those that haven't been able to open then. I ended up leaving a job I loved last year due to all this.. my financial life changed significantly for the worse.. but I'd still rather be where we are than back at 100s or thousands dying a day Cali" Many thousands more are dying everyday from cancer etc for everyday extra these lockdowns and restrictions continue you numpty. It’s people like you that are part of the problem here. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Wrong. Given that the vaccines reduce your chances of catching Covid by about 1%,, even if nobody would have been vaccinated, we still would be in the same situation as we find ourselves in now. Do you have a source for this. I'd genuinely like to read it (the 1% comment) " The anti vaxxers have taken a commentary, not a paper, wildly misinterpreted it, and gone on a jaunt. "COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room" in the Lancet. See also one of the authors, Els Toreele, on Twitter on the 29th of May - basically saying "no, that's not what we were saying, Jesus" | |||
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"I really dont get the outcry here.. it was always just the earliest date .. to be honest I was surprised the last stage stuck to schedule.. I thought perhaps that going on a 2 to 4 week extension may have made sense but I dont get to see all the data. Yes it must be heartbreaking to those that haven't been able to open then. I ended up leaving a job I loved last year due to all this.. my financial life changed significantly for the worse.. but I'd still rather be where we are than back at 100s or thousands dying a day Cali Many thousands more are dying everyday from cancer etc for everyday extra these lockdowns and restrictions continue you numpty. It’s people like you that are part of the problem here. " I find this argument wierd. Somewhere in the messaging it has been translated that these conditions are less important than covid. When in reality we (and other countries) decided to temporarily focus solely on covid, because of how it transmits. Was that the right decision. Probably not but we made a decision and stuck too it (something we rarely do) going forward I'd hope we have learned you cannot postpone everything else to fight one thing. The stats on covid deaths v deaths caused by covid regulations will be interesting reading in years to come. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. My words without substance? Hahahahaha, read your last response... you reeled off a whole pile of words with no substance! Get a grip, this virus isn’t as deadly as you’re being told. Stop living in fear, get out and have a great time and stop think the government is going to save you. I don't believe my government is going to save me. My opinion is far more nuanced than that. I'm saying that everyone has to make there own decisions. But don't expect the same privileges or zero consequences when you do. FYI I'm out of the house everyday doing something and I don't believe lockdowns or long term restrictions are the answer. Nor do I agree with blindly opening everything up just because I'm bored or horny without properly studying the data. Well then, as I said earlier in the post, it comes down to which data you’re reading and who is presenting it. Dodgy tests + skewed death figures = rubbish data. Rubbish in, rubbish out! Yeah. I'm really glad you are not in charge of making these decisions. Your use of hyperbole combined with your inability to see any opinion but your own is really concerning. I mean this at a personal level separated from covid. " Hyperbole? I’m not even gonna pretend to know what that is. I’m pleased I’m good at it though. Please do tell me where I have ‘failed to see anyone else’s opinion though? You keep banging on about looking at the ‘data’ and I’m saying you can pick and choose what data you want to suit your narrative. If we look at the data we have been looking at for the last 16 months then we will be in lockdown forever. Dodgy tests + skewed death figures = rubbish data. It’s a simple equation! Yeh! | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Wrong. Given that the vaccines reduce your chances of catching Covid by about 1%,, even if nobody would have been vaccinated, we still would be in the same situation as we find ourselves in now. Do you have a source for this. I'd genuinely like to read it (the 1% comment) The anti vaxxers have taken a commentary, not a paper, wildly misinterpreted it, and gone on a jaunt. "COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room" in the Lancet. See also one of the authors, Els Toreele, on Twitter on the 29th of May - basically saying "no, that's not what we were saying, Jesus"" Thanks mate. I'll still read it as it sounds interesting. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Wrong. Given that the vaccines reduce your chances of catching Covid by about 1%,, even if nobody would have been vaccinated, we still would be in the same situation as we find ourselves in now. Do you have a source for this. I'd genuinely like to read it (the 1% comment) The anti vaxxers have taken a commentary, not a paper, wildly misinterpreted it, and gone on a jaunt. "COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room" in the Lancet. See also one of the authors, Els Toreele, on Twitter on the 29th of May - basically saying "no, that's not what we were saying, Jesus" Thanks mate. I'll still read it as it sounds interesting. " Definitely | |||
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"I really dont get the outcry here.. it was always just the earliest date .. to be honest I was surprised the last stage stuck to schedule.. I thought perhaps that going on a 2 to 4 week extension may have made sense but I dont get to see all the data. Yes it must be heartbreaking to those that haven't been able to open then. I ended up leaving a job I loved last year due to all this.. my financial life changed significantly for the worse.. but I'd still rather be where we are than back at 100s or thousands dying a day Cali Many thousands more are dying everyday from cancer etc for everyday extra these lockdowns and restrictions continue you numpty. It’s people like you that are part of the problem here. I find this argument wierd. Somewhere in the messaging it has been translated that these conditions are less important than covid. When in reality we (and other countries) decided to temporarily focus solely on covid, because of how it transmits. Was that the right decision. Probably not but we made a decision and stuck too it (something we rarely do) going forward I'd hope we have learned you cannot postpone everything else to fight one thing. The stats on covid deaths v deaths caused by covid regulations will be interesting reading in years to come. " I'd not want to be undergoing cancer treatment during a pandemic 
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. My words without substance? Hahahahaha, read your last response... you reeled off a whole pile of words with no substance! Get a grip, this virus isn’t as deadly as you’re being told. Stop living in fear, get out and have a great time and stop think the government is going to save you. I don't believe my government is going to save me. My opinion is far more nuanced than that. I'm saying that everyone has to make there own decisions. But don't expect the same privileges or zero consequences when you do. FYI I'm out of the house everyday doing something and I don't believe lockdowns or long term restrictions are the answer. Nor do I agree with blindly opening everything up just because I'm bored or horny without properly studying the data. Well then, as I said earlier in the post, it comes down to which data you’re reading and who is presenting it. Dodgy tests + skewed death figures = rubbish data. Rubbish in, rubbish out! Yeah. I'm really glad you are not in charge of making these decisions. Your use of hyperbole combined with your inability to see any opinion but your own is really concerning. I mean this at a personal level separated from covid. Hyperbole? I’m not even gonna pretend to know what that is. I’m pleased I’m good at it though. Please do tell me where I have ‘failed to see anyone else’s opinion though? You keep banging on about looking at the ‘data’ and I’m saying you can pick and choose what data you want to suit your narrative. If we look at the data we have been looking at for the last 16 months then we will be in lockdown forever. Dodgy tests + skewed death figures = rubbish data. It’s a simple equation! Yeh! " Without even getting into your first comment (I have to admit I snorted) if you were capable of basic comprehension you'd see I was agreeing with (some) of your points re:data. You however are too focused on your own narrative you cannot accept or consider another point of view. I go back to my earlier comment of jehovah witnesses. Cause you know who else does what you are doing. Religious extremists. I'm here to tell you there aren't 99 virgins waiting in heaven for you. | |||
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"I mostly agree with this Sophie but as said previously the vocal minorities arguments are not entirely without merit. I'm all for studying data and making decisions based on this. What I don't agree with is falling hook line and sinker for fear mongering promoted by a uneducated media. This is my biggest point right now. MSM leaking important decisions has been nothing short of disgusting Tbh I stopped paying attention apart from scanning headlines over a year ago. I listen to science podcasts. (The news is a handy shortcut to the law. If Boris says that we must wear yellow hats on Wednesday, well I don't want to break the law so I'll get a yellow hat. I don't think political decisions are significant, but I don't want a criminal record )"Can you name me one law, just one, that the government have introduced associated with Coronavirus ? | |||
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"I really dont get the outcry here.. it was always just the earliest date .. to be honest I was surprised the last stage stuck to schedule.. I thought perhaps that going on a 2 to 4 week extension may have made sense but I dont get to see all the data. Yes it must be heartbreaking to those that haven't been able to open then. I ended up leaving a job I loved last year due to all this.. my financial life changed significantly for the worse.. but I'd still rather be where we are than back at 100s or thousands dying a day Cali Many thousands more are dying everyday from cancer etc for everyday extra these lockdowns and restrictions continue you numpty. It’s people like you that are part of the problem here. I find this argument wierd. Somewhere in the messaging it has been translated that these conditions are less important than covid. When in reality we (and other countries) decided to temporarily focus solely on covid, because of how it transmits. Was that the right decision. Probably not but we made a decision and stuck too it (something we rarely do) going forward I'd hope we have learned you cannot postpone everything else to fight one thing. The stats on covid deaths v deaths caused by covid regulations will be interesting reading in years to come. I'd not want to be undergoing cancer treatment during a pandemic
Help cancer patients - and the immunocompromised, the elderly, and more - give them a safer environment and a less stressed out health care service in which to seek treatment. Win-win."Yeah, its a tough one as that what it comes down to. Not the number of deaths but the protection of the NHS from collapse. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. My words without substance? Hahahahaha, read your last response... you reeled off a whole pile of words with no substance! Get a grip, this virus isn’t as deadly as you’re being told. Stop living in fear, get out and have a great time and stop think the government is going to save you. I don't believe my government is going to save me. My opinion is far more nuanced than that. I'm saying that everyone has to make there own decisions. But don't expect the same privileges or zero consequences when you do. FYI I'm out of the house everyday doing something and I don't believe lockdowns or long term restrictions are the answer. Nor do I agree with blindly opening everything up just because I'm bored or horny without properly studying the data. Well then, as I said earlier in the post, it comes down to which data you’re reading and who is presenting it. Dodgy tests + skewed death figures = rubbish data. Rubbish in, rubbish out! Yeah. I'm really glad you are not in charge of making these decisions. Your use of hyperbole combined with your inability to see any opinion but your own is really concerning. I mean this at a personal level separated from covid. Hyperbole? I’m not even gonna pretend to know what that is. I’m pleased I’m good at it though. Please do tell me where I have ‘failed to see anyone else’s opinion though? You keep banging on about looking at the ‘data’ and I’m saying you can pick and choose what data you want to suit your narrative. If we look at the data we have been looking at for the last 16 months then we will be in lockdown forever. Dodgy tests + skewed death figures = rubbish data. It’s a simple equation! Yeh! Without even getting into your first comment (I have to admit I snorted) if you were capable of basic comprehension you'd see I was agreeing with (some) of your points re:data. You however are too focused on your own narrative you cannot accept or consider another point of view. I go back to my earlier comment of jehovah witnesses. Cause you know who else does what you are doing. Religious extremists. I'm here to tell you there aren't 99 virgins waiting in heaven for you. " Hahahaha this is getting very confusing.... or is it condescending? I’m not sure. You keep resulting to petty insults and, for some reason, thinking I’m angry with you! Maybe you’re just spoiling for an argument? I suggest the daily mail comments section for you. It’s always kicking off in there. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Wrong. Given that the vaccines reduce your chances of catching Covid by about 1%,, even if nobody would have been vaccinated, we still would be in the same situation as we find ourselves in now. " I think you will find the vaccines reduce your chances by much higher than that.. and help stop transmission | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Wrong. Given that the vaccines reduce your chances of catching Covid by about 1%,, even if nobody would have been vaccinated, we still would be in the same situation as we find ourselves in now. Do you have a source for this. I'd genuinely like to read it (the 1% comment) " The Lancet Pfizer 0.8% J&J 1.2% Moderna 1.2% AstraZeneca 1.3% So basically, NO prevention of catching Covid ! | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. My words without substance? Hahahahaha, read your last response... you reeled off a whole pile of words with no substance! Get a grip, this virus isn’t as deadly as you’re being told. Stop living in fear, get out and have a great time and stop think the government is going to save you. I don't believe my government is going to save me. My opinion is far more nuanced than that. I'm saying that everyone has to make there own decisions. But don't expect the same privileges or zero consequences when you do. FYI I'm out of the house everyday doing something and I don't believe lockdowns or long term restrictions are the answer. Nor do I agree with blindly opening everything up just because I'm bored or horny without properly studying the data. Well then, as I said earlier in the post, it comes down to which data you’re reading and who is presenting it. Dodgy tests + skewed death figures = rubbish data. Rubbish in, rubbish out! Yeah. I'm really glad you are not in charge of making these decisions. Your use of hyperbole combined with your inability to see any opinion but your own is really concerning. I mean this at a personal level separated from covid. Hyperbole? I’m not even gonna pretend to know what that is. I’m pleased I’m good at it though. Please do tell me where I have ‘failed to see anyone else’s opinion though? You keep banging on about looking at the ‘data’ and I’m saying you can pick and choose what data you want to suit your narrative. If we look at the data we have been looking at for the last 16 months then we will be in lockdown forever. Dodgy tests + skewed death figures = rubbish data. It’s a simple equation! Yeh! Without even getting into your first comment (I have to admit I snorted) if you were capable of basic comprehension you'd see I was agreeing with (some) of your points re:data. You however are too focused on your own narrative you cannot accept or consider another point of view. I go back to my earlier comment of jehovah witnesses. Cause you know who else does what you are doing. Religious extremists. I'm here to tell you there aren't 99 virgins waiting in heaven for you. Hahahaha this is getting very confusing.... or is it condescending? I’m not sure. You keep resulting to petty insults and, for some reason, thinking I’m angry with you! Maybe you’re just spoiling for an argument? I suggest the daily mail comments section for you. It’s always kicking off in there." No I'm definitely being condescending as trying to talk to you like an adult is proving pointless. The fact you don't understand what I'm talking about is incredibly frustrating. I'm still not sure if it's you being obnoxious, ignorant or oblivious though. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Wrong. Given that the vaccines reduce your chances of catching Covid by about 1%,, even if nobody would have been vaccinated, we still would be in the same situation as we find ourselves in now. Do you have a source for this. I'd genuinely like to read it (the 1% comment) The Lancet Pfizer 0.8% J&J 1.2% Moderna 1.2% AstraZeneca 1.3% So basically, NO prevention of catching Covid ! " Nice one ill have a read of the full article and see what I think. | |||
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"I mostly agree with this Sophie but as said previously the vocal minorities arguments are not entirely without merit. I'm all for studying data and making decisions based on this. What I don't agree with is falling hook line and sinker for fear mongering promoted by a uneducated media. This is my biggest point right now. MSM leaking important decisions has been nothing short of disgusting Tbh I stopped paying attention apart from scanning headlines over a year ago. I listen to science podcasts. (The news is a handy shortcut to the law. If Boris says that we must wear yellow hats on Wednesday, well I don't want to break the law so I'll get a yellow hat. I don't think political decisions are significant, but I don't want a criminal record )
Can you name me one law, just one, that the government have introduced associated with Coronavirus ? "Coronavirus act 2020 or am I missing something. | |||
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"I mostly agree with this Sophie but as said previously the vocal minorities arguments are not entirely without merit. I'm all for studying data and making decisions based on this. What I don't agree with is falling hook line and sinker for fear mongering promoted by a uneducated media. This is my biggest point right now. MSM leaking important decisions has been nothing short of disgusting Tbh I stopped paying attention apart from scanning headlines over a year ago. I listen to science podcasts. (The news is a handy shortcut to the law. If Boris says that we must wear yellow hats on Wednesday, well I don't want to break the law so I'll get a yellow hat. I don't think political decisions are significant, but I don't want a criminal record )
Can you name me one law, just one, that the government have introduced associated with Coronavirus ? "Coronavirus act 2020 A piece of primary legislation (legislation and "law" are usually used interchangeably in the UK) containing, per the UK government's website, both law and guidance. I follow both law and guidance, as I don't want to get into legal trouble or even risk it. Although I'm not sure what your point is. That things which are guidance don't address real problems? By Jove I think you're onto something. It'd solve so many problems. I'll write to my MP immediately, I've solved murder. "Murder is where a person of sound memory and of age of discretion against guidance killeth within any country of any realm any reasonable creature under the Monarch's peace, with malice aforethought, so as the party dies" Murder rate zero! Just don't enforce it! | |||
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"I mostly agree with this Sophie but as said previously the vocal minorities arguments are not entirely without merit. I'm all for studying data and making decisions based on this. What I don't agree with is falling hook line and sinker for fear mongering promoted by a uneducated media. This is my biggest point right now. MSM leaking important decisions has been nothing short of disgusting Tbh I stopped paying attention apart from scanning headlines over a year ago. I listen to science podcasts. (The news is a handy shortcut to the law. If Boris says that we must wear yellow hats on Wednesday, well I don't want to break the law so I'll get a yellow hat. I don't think political decisions are significant, but I don't want a criminal record )
Can you name me one law, just one, that the government have introduced associated with Coronavirus ?
Coronavirus act 2020 or am I missing something. "That's an Act ! .....It's NOT Law ! | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance. The way we live our life is through action and consequence. You are entirely entitled to your beliefs. But your decisions shouldn't be without said consequences. If you don't believe in this. Go off and start a separate society where there are zero restrictions. But don't expect to be able to have the same privileges this one affords. The problem I have with people with outlandish beliefs isn't what they say (some of it has a glimmer of merit) but the overwhelming sense of entitlement around it all. Like modern day jevoah witnesses, knocking peoples (metaphorically) doors down to tell them all the sacred truth. So do what you like. I don't care. But you get sick, don't be expected to receive treatment or have the same freedoms afforded to you. You can't have your cake and eat it. My words without substance? Hahahahaha, read your last response... you reeled off a whole pile of words with no substance! Get a grip, this virus isn’t as deadly as you’re being told. Stop living in fear, get out and have a great time and stop think the government is going to save you. I don't believe my government is going to save me. My opinion is far more nuanced than that. I'm saying that everyone has to make there own decisions. But don't expect the same privileges or zero consequences when you do. FYI I'm out of the house everyday doing something and I don't believe lockdowns or long term restrictions are the answer. Nor do I agree with blindly opening everything up just because I'm bored or horny without properly studying the data. Well then, as I said earlier in the post, it comes down to which data you’re reading and who is presenting it. Dodgy tests + skewed death figures = rubbish data. Rubbish in, rubbish out! Yeah. I'm really glad you are not in charge of making these decisions. Your use of hyperbole combined with your inability to see any opinion but your own is really concerning. I mean this at a personal level separated from covid. Hyperbole? I’m not even gonna pretend to know what that is. I’m pleased I’m good at it though. Please do tell me where I have ‘failed to see anyone else’s opinion though? You keep banging on about looking at the ‘data’ and I’m saying you can pick and choose what data you want to suit your narrative. If we look at the data we have been looking at for the last 16 months then we will be in lockdown forever. Dodgy tests + skewed death figures = rubbish data. It’s a simple equation! Yeh! Without even getting into your first comment (I have to admit I snorted) if you were capable of basic comprehension you'd see I was agreeing with (some) of your points re:data. You however are too focused on your own narrative you cannot accept or consider another point of view. I go back to my earlier comment of jehovah witnesses. Cause you know who else does what you are doing. Religious extremists. I'm here to tell you there aren't 99 virgins waiting in heaven for you. Hahahaha this is getting very confusing.... or is it condescending? I’m not sure. You keep resulting to petty insults and, for some reason, thinking I’m angry with you! Maybe you’re just spoiling for an argument? I suggest the daily mail comments section for you. It’s always kicking off in there. No I'm definitely being condescending as trying to talk to you like an adult is proving pointless. The fact you don't understand what I'm talking about is incredibly frustrating. I'm still not sure if it's you being obnoxious, ignorant or oblivious though. " I’ll quote you again... but feel free to scroll up for the whole conversation. “You've said a lot of words without actually any of them being of substance” So I made a simple mathematically equation to spell my point out for you, you agreed with my equation then started saying I can’t see anyone else’s point of view? I’m bored of this now and it’s hurting my head. If you agree with, that’s ace... Cheers. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Wrong. Given that the vaccines reduce your chances of catching Covid by about 1%,, even if nobody would have been vaccinated, we still would be in the same situation as we find ourselves in now. Do you have a source for this. I'd genuinely like to read it (the 1% comment) The Lancet Pfizer 0.8% J&J 1.2% Moderna 1.2% AstraZeneca 1.3% So basically, NO prevention of catching Covid ! Nice one ill have a read of the full article and see what I think. " This whole "only reduces it by 1%" nonsense is totally down to people that are incapable of understanding simple mathematics. The argument goes like this (rounding off numbers to make the example easier to follow for those that can't understand figures with more than one decimal place): - the unvaccinated survival rate from covid is 98%, that is, only 2% actually die from/of/with covid. - in the vaccinated population, 4 out of 5 that would have died now survive. So only 2 x 0.2 % = 0.4% die when vaccinated. - so death rate reduces from 2% to 0.4% - 2 minus 0.4 = 1.6 - ipso facto QED, the vaccine that saves 4 out of 5 lives only reduces the death rate by 1.6% | |||
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"Once the vaccine rollout has over 90% of Adults with 1 jab and over 70% with two jabs. That will hopefully start to break the viruses pandemic spread ability in the UK. We've waited this long, I'd rather delay the 21st than having to go back into tougher measures in July or August. If India had been put on the red list when it first became apparent things were going wrong over there, then we wouldn't have seen Delta cases of the virus in numbers anywhere like what we are experiencing at the moment. Boris doesn't learn he repeats the same mistakes and doesn't act until it's too late. " Your logic is all wrong! Relying on a trial vaccine that by and large doesnt protect you from ever increasing new variants is'nt the way forward. Just look at the photos taken at the global summit,they're acting like the pandemic never existed! Ask only this,why is that so? | |||
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"I mostly agree with this Sophie but as said previously the vocal minorities arguments are not entirely without merit. I'm all for studying data and making decisions based on this. What I don't agree with is falling hook line and sinker for fear mongering promoted by a uneducated media. This is my biggest point right now. MSM leaking important decisions has been nothing short of disgusting Tbh I stopped paying attention apart from scanning headlines over a year ago. I listen to science podcasts. (The news is a handy shortcut to the law. If Boris says that we must wear yellow hats on Wednesday, well I don't want to break the law so I'll get a yellow hat. I don't think political decisions are significant, but I don't want a criminal record )
Can you name me one law, just one, that the government have introduced associated with Coronavirus ?
Coronavirus act 2020 or am I missing something.
That's an Act ! .....It's NOT Law ! "... Umm. Acts of Parliament create or change laws in this country. #doyourresearch By your logic assault and batteries (beyond those in common law) and poisoning are not against the law, because the laws against them are in the Offences against the person act 1861 The Sexual Offences Act 2003 makes sex crimes against the law - except according to you not? Theft Act 1968 - sure, totes take my stuff, it's only an act | |||
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"Once the vaccine rollout has over 90% of Adults with 1 jab and over 70% with two jabs. That will hopefully start to break the viruses pandemic spread ability in the UK. We've waited this long, I'd rather delay the 21st than having to go back into tougher measures in July or August. If India had been put on the red list when it first became apparent things were going wrong over there, then we wouldn't have seen Delta cases of the virus in numbers anywhere like what we are experiencing at the moment. Boris doesn't learn he repeats the same mistakes and doesn't act until it's too late. Your logic is all wrong! Relying on a trial vaccine that by and large doesnt protect you from ever increasing new variants is'nt the way forward. Just look at the photos taken at the global summit,they're acting like the pandemic never existed! Ask only this,why is that so?" I didnt have a trial vaccine, I had an approved and tested one that protects me although not 100% but more importantly reduces the risk or transmission and serious ill health If I catch it. I've also found it reduced the long covid symptoms to a degree too. From what I have read and researched it still protects against other variants.. including new ones and there will be a booster in the autumn | |||
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"Bored of saying it now. This won't end until the general population makes it end. The government won't grant us out liberty and freedom unless we demand it. Unfortunately most people can't see it and are easily duped. " I agree with you 1 billion percent! But most folk in this country are that brainwashed with Covid fear that they don’t want their freedom. They want to be protected by the government and kept safe. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Or that no one really buys their crap, and they're fast becoming a mocked minority." Its your crap that they're no longer buying.77th | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Or that no one really buys their crap, and they're fast becoming a mocked minority. Its your crap that they're no longer buying.77th" Nope I am pretty certain that it is all the anti-vax covid denial conspiracy bull shit that the majority of the population are no longer buying and I feel that the vaccination figures alone are enough to prove this since the majority are now vaccinated and the majority of the population of the UK are smart enough to see that this is the fastest safest way out of restrictions and also the best way to bring an end to this pandemic, it is the minority that seem to fail to grasp the situation or the basic science they were taught at school age regarding the spread of viruses and how that spread can be managed and controlled through limiting the transmission pathways of the virus. | |||
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"Bored of saying it now. This won't end until the general population makes it end. The government won't grant us out liberty and freedom unless we demand it. Unfortunately most people can't see it and are easily duped. I agree with you 1 billion percent! But most folk in this country are that brainwashed with Covid fear that they don’t want their freedom. They want to be protected by the government and kept safe." not anything to do with being brainwashed or fear. It's to do with commonsense and following the science. At the moment we need to see where this new data is going. To me it would make sense to wait a little longer... just to be on the safe side. I dont need anyone to keep me safe. I was wearing a mask long before it was required just due to it making sense. | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine " I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Or that no one really buys their crap, and they're fast becoming a mocked minority. Its your crap that they're no longer buying.77th" I have no idea what this 77th you keep going on about is. We're not at 77 million doses given yet. Only 70 million and some change. The government website says 78.4% of adults have had their first dose. So... A proud noble strong majority of unvaccinated people of 21.4%, minus those who haven't had an appointment yet? Forgive me, I might have missed a key lesson in maths, but isn't a majority, by definition, over 50%? | |||
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"Bored of saying it now. This won't end until the general population makes it end. The government won't grant us out liberty and freedom unless we demand it. Unfortunately most people can't see it and are easily duped. I agree with you 1 billion percent! But most folk in this country are that brainwashed with Covid fear that they don’t want their freedom. They want to be protected by the government and kept safe. not anything to do with being brainwashed or fear. It's to do with commonsense and following the science. At the moment we need to see where this new data is going. To me it would make sense to wait a little longer... just to be on the safe side. I dont need anyone to keep me safe. I was wearing a mask long before it was required just due to it making sense. " ^this^ | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns." My GP won’t talk to me about it | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! It's a conversation we might have to have very soon. Yes, I think it's time. The elderly in particular have suffered enough." Totally agree, those of us that have risked those big, scary long term effects of the vaccines in order to help get back to normal now, should be allowed to live as close to how we were before covid as possible. Those that refuse the vaccine should face restrictions until they will have the vaccine, they don't think the vaccine is safe, I don't think them wandering around unchecked is safe. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! It's a conversation we might have to have very soon. Yes, I think it's time. The elderly in particular have suffered enough. Totally agree, those of us that have risked those big, scary long term effects of the vaccines in order to help get back to normal now, should be allowed to live as close to how we were before covid as possible. Those that refuse the vaccine should face restrictions until they will have the vaccine, they don't think the vaccine is safe, I don't think them wandering around unchecked is safe. " That is a horrible attitude | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! It's a conversation we might have to have very soon. Yes, I think it's time. The elderly in particular have suffered enough. Totally agree, those of us that have risked those big, scary long term effects of the vaccines in order to help get back to normal now, should be allowed to live as close to how we were before covid as possible. Those that refuse the vaccine should face restrictions until they will have the vaccine, they don't think the vaccine is safe, I don't think them wandering around unchecked is safe. " | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns. My GP won’t talk to me about it" Then why not have a look on the nhs website there is a lot of information on there concerning the vaccine, what it is, how works and such like or have a look on the manufactures websites. What are your concerns if you don't mind me asking? | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! It's a conversation we might have to have very soon. Yes, I think it's time. The elderly in particular have suffered enough. Totally agree, those of us that have risked those big, scary long term effects of the vaccines in order to help get back to normal now, should be allowed to live as close to how we were before covid as possible. Those that refuse the vaccine should face restrictions until they will have the vaccine, they don't think the vaccine is safe, I don't think them wandering around unchecked is safe. That is a horrible attitude " So is not having the vaccine. | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns. My GP won’t talk to me about it Then why not have a look on the nhs website there is a lot of information on there concerning the vaccine, what it is, how works and such like or have a look on the manufactures websites. What are your concerns if you don't mind me asking?" Adverse reactions to previous jabs, allergies and long term effects | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! It's a conversation we might have to have very soon. Yes, I think it's time. The elderly in particular have suffered enough. Totally agree, those of us that have risked those big, scary long term effects of the vaccines in order to help get back to normal now, should be allowed to live as close to how we were before covid as possible. Those that refuse the vaccine should face restrictions until they will have the vaccine, they don't think the vaccine is safe, I don't think them wandering around unchecked is safe. That is a horrible attitude " It's authoritarianism and something you'd expect in North Korea. Not in a supposed "liberal democracy". People that push for this shouldn't complain when more restrictions creep into their freedoms, in spite of having "done their part". | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! It's a conversation we might have to have very soon. Yes, I think it's time. The elderly in particular have suffered enough. Totally agree, those of us that have risked those big, scary long term effects of the vaccines in order to help get back to normal now, should be allowed to live as close to how we were before covid as possible. Those that refuse the vaccine should face restrictions until they will have the vaccine, they don't think the vaccine is safe, I don't think them wandering around unchecked is safe. That is a horrible attitude So is not having the vaccine. " Do not judge everyone the same. Refusal and genuine fear is very different | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! It's a conversation we might have to have very soon. Yes, I think it's time. The elderly in particular have suffered enough. Totally agree, those of us that have risked those big, scary long term effects of the vaccines in order to help get back to normal now, should be allowed to live as close to how we were before covid as possible. Those that refuse the vaccine should face restrictions until they will have the vaccine, they don't think the vaccine is safe, I don't think them wandering around unchecked is safe. That is a horrible attitude So is not having the vaccine. Do not judge everyone the same. Refusal and genuine fear is very different" It's still refusal. There's mountains of data proving the effectiveness and safety of the vaccines. | |||
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"I mostly agree with this Sophie but as said previously the vocal minorities arguments are not entirely without merit. I'm all for studying data and making decisions based on this. What I don't agree with is falling hook line and sinker for fear mongering promoted by a uneducated media. This is my biggest point right now. MSM leaking important decisions has been nothing short of disgusting Tbh I stopped paying attention apart from scanning headlines over a year ago. I listen to science podcasts. (The news is a handy shortcut to the law. If Boris says that we must wear yellow hats on Wednesday, well I don't want to break the law so I'll get a yellow hat. I don't think political decisions are significant, but I don't want a criminal record )
Can you name me one law, just one, that the government have introduced associated with Coronavirus ?
Coronavirus act 2020 or am I missing something.
That's an Act ! .....It's NOT Law !
... Umm. Acts of Parliament create or change laws in this country. #doyourresearch
By your logic assault and batteries (beyond those in common law) and poisoning are not against the law, because the laws against them are in the Offences against the person act 1861
The Sexual Offences Act 2003 makes sex crimes against the law - except according to you not?
Theft Act 1968 - sure, totes take my stuff, it's only an act
"There have been no successful prosecutions in the last year under this Act. The Crown Prosecution Service have said that all 270 charges under this act have been withdrawn or overturned in court in the last year. Not much of a 'Law' is it when it can't be enforced in 270 cases. There are even calls to get it scrapped ....that's how much of a farce it is. It's there to intimidate people who don't know their rights. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! It's a conversation we might have to have very soon. Yes, I think it's time. The elderly in particular have suffered enough. Totally agree, those of us that have risked those big, scary long term effects of the vaccines in order to help get back to normal now, should be allowed to live as close to how we were before covid as possible. Those that refuse the vaccine should face restrictions until they will have the vaccine, they don't think the vaccine is safe, I don't think them wandering around unchecked is safe. That is a horrible attitude So is not having the vaccine. Do not judge everyone the same. Refusal and genuine fear is very different It's still refusal. There's mountains of data proving the effectiveness and safety of the vaccines. " This is not true. Nobody can promise me the vaccine is safe with my history and allergies. You need to stop tarring everyone with the same brush | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns. My GP won’t talk to me about it Then why not have a look on the nhs website there is a lot of information on there concerning the vaccine, what it is, how works and such like or have a look on the manufactures websites. What are your concerns if you don't mind me asking? Adverse reactions to previous jabs, allergies and long term effects " If you have had adverse reactions to previous vaccines and have allergies your gp should speak to you about your concerns to be honest And if they won't it may be worth looking at a change of gp or it may even be worth calling 119 and speaking to them and explaining that your not able to get advise from your gp | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns. My GP won’t talk to me about it Then why not have a look on the nhs website there is a lot of information on there concerning the vaccine, what it is, how works and such like or have a look on the manufactures websites. What are your concerns if you don't mind me asking? Adverse reactions to previous jabs, allergies and long term effects If you have had adverse reactions to previous vaccines and have allergies your gp should speak to you about your concerns to be honest And if they won't it may be worth looking at a change of gp or it may even be worth calling 119 and speaking to them and explaining that your not able to get advise from your gp " All I get is referred to the internet | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Or that no one really buys their crap, and they're fast becoming a mocked minority. Its your crap that they're no longer buying.77th I have no idea what this 77th you keep going on about is. We're not at 77 million doses given yet. Only 70 million and some change. The government website says 78.4% of adults have had their first dose. So... A proud noble strong majority of unvaccinated people of 21.4%, minus those who haven't had an appointment yet? Forgive me, I might have missed a key lesson in maths, but isn't a majority, by definition, over 50%?" I think this 77th crap might be some sort of libertarian knobhead reference? | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! It's a conversation we might have to have very soon. Yes, I think it's time. The elderly in particular have suffered enough. Totally agree, those of us that have risked those big, scary long term effects of the vaccines in order to help get back to normal now, should be allowed to live as close to how we were before covid as possible. Those that refuse the vaccine should face restrictions until they will have the vaccine, they don't think the vaccine is safe, I don't think them wandering around unchecked is safe. That is a horrible attitude So is not having the vaccine. Do not judge everyone the same. Refusal and genuine fear is very different It's still refusal. There's mountains of data proving the effectiveness and safety of the vaccines. This is not true. Nobody can promise me the vaccine is safe with my history and allergies. You need to stop tarring everyone with the same brush " what are you frightened of? if you get Covid you may die..uf you get a variant of it? you might have a worse chance if survival..and if you take the vaccine you might get an adverse reaction..kind of all leads to the same thing I suggest? | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns. My GP won’t talk to me about it Then why not have a look on the nhs website there is a lot of information on there concerning the vaccine, what it is, how works and such like or have a look on the manufactures websites. What are your concerns if you don't mind me asking? Adverse reactions to previous jabs, allergies and long term effects If you have had adverse reactions to previous vaccines and have allergies your gp should speak to you about your concerns to be honest And if they won't it may be worth looking at a change of gp or it may even be worth calling 119 and speaking to them and explaining that your not able to get advise from your gp All I get is referred to the internet " is that by the gp? | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! It's a conversation we might have to have very soon. Yes, I think it's time. The elderly in particular have suffered enough. Totally agree, those of us that have risked those big, scary long term effects of the vaccines in order to help get back to normal now, should be allowed to live as close to how we were before covid as possible. Those that refuse the vaccine should face restrictions until they will have the vaccine, they don't think the vaccine is safe, I don't think them wandering around unchecked is safe. " A year ago, with no approved vaccines, the rhetoric was, if you're afraid of a little sniffle you can stay at home, open it up. Now, with the economy, education, and much more even more impacted - if you're afraid of one of the most well funded, universally approved, heavily scrutinised medical interventions in history, which shows clear evidence that it'll bring this thing to an end - and particularly if you think there's a global conspiracy... You can stay at home. | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Or that no one really buys their crap, and they're fast becoming a mocked minority. Its your crap that they're no longer buying.77th I have no idea what this 77th you keep going on about is. We're not at 77 million doses given yet. Only 70 million and some change. The government website says 78.4% of adults have had their first dose. So... A proud noble strong majority of unvaccinated people of 21.4%, minus those who haven't had an appointment yet? Forgive me, I might have missed a key lesson in maths, but isn't a majority, by definition, over 50%? I think this 77th crap might be some sort of libertarian knobhead reference?" 77th Brigade..Army secret site? where a lot of conspiracy theory is either proved it not proved as the case may be | |||
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"With all the Plans with regards to 21st of June being lifted , I think its all gone in the drain big time.
Not sure why everyone is so surprised?
The date was never set in stone and was /still is subject to change. So why so many are now whinging because they feel the government has let them down is frankly a bit baffling.
Do people not read anymore out there? I mean decent newspapers and research websites with some integrity not YT and the daily failure current bun.
Perhaps if people stopped mentally ingesting the rubbish the tabloids and Common or garden YT 'experts' and their conspiracy Qanon ways of thinking? people might actually understand what is happening in the world .
currently it seems so many of you out there are utterly clueless and are still demanding your 'normal ( but that's never going to be the same again !) lives back. Losing count of the number who are now back meeting for sex when restrictions haven't lifted at all have they? and yet people still are seemingly ignoring the current situation and the sheer number of Covid deaths in India recently.Its that more dangerous variant that's bothering everyone btw !
Wittering on about the vaccine not working is pointless because people out there still refuse to have it.. that's the way to get the country opened up again btw! so go and get the jab so the rest if us can start making some attempt at normal life again and stop moaning about lockdowns when you are the people effectively causing it ..ta !" | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. It’s already a two tier society. “The haves and have not”. Get jabbed let’s get out of this. If anybody planned anything for the 21st you must be absolutely fucking stupid it was never a definite date so STOP FUCKING WHINGING!!! Its funny that the ones doing the most whinging are the ones who are refusing the jab or screaming "plandemic of the sheeple" I wonder if they will ever realise that they are fast becoming the reason we are all still in this shitty position? Or that no one really buys their crap, and they're fast becoming a mocked minority. Its your crap that they're no longer buying.77th I have no idea what this 77th you keep going on about is. We're not at 77 million doses given yet. Only 70 million and some change. The government website says 78.4% of adults have had their first dose. So... A proud noble strong majority of unvaccinated people of 21.4%, minus those who haven't had an appointment yet? Forgive me, I might have missed a key lesson in maths, but isn't a majority, by definition, over 50%? I think this 77th crap might be some sort of libertarian knobhead reference?" Ah, more bollocks. That makes sense. I miss actual bollocks  | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns. My GP won’t talk to me about it Then why not have a look on the nhs website there is a lot of information on there concerning the vaccine, what it is, how works and such like or have a look on the manufactures websites. What are your concerns if you don't mind me asking? Adverse reactions to previous jabs, allergies and long term effects If you have had adverse reactions to previous vaccines and have allergies your gp should speak to you about your concerns to be honest And if they won't it may be worth looking at a change of gp or it may even be worth calling 119 and speaking to them and explaining that your not able to get advise from your gp All I get is referred to the internet is that by the gp? " My GP has said they won't answer questions either, to be fair. It is a failing. | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns." This is the problem, how do you speak to your GP and get an impartial viewpoint when they've been on an incentive to get their patients vaccinated ?. GP's write you a prescription and want you out of there as quick as possible...in that sense, they are the biggest drug dealers in the world. Similarly vaccine companies are not going to tell you the negative effects of taking their jab. | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns. My GP won’t talk to me about it Then why not have a look on the nhs website there is a lot of information on there concerning the vaccine, what it is, how works and such like or have a look on the manufactures websites. What are your concerns if you don't mind me asking? Adverse reactions to previous jabs, allergies and long term effects If you have had adverse reactions to previous vaccines and have allergies your gp should speak to you about your concerns to be honest And if they won't it may be worth looking at a change of gp or it may even be worth calling 119 and speaking to them and explaining that your not able to get advise from your gp All I get is referred to the internet is that by the gp? My GP has said they won't answer questions either, to be fair. It is a failing." That's what I was thinking especially if she has had adverse reactions to vaccines in the past, looking online it says to inform healthcare staff before getting the jab so maybe a call to 119 and see what their take on it is if the gp is being an arse about it? | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns. This is the problem, how do you speak to your GP and get an impartial viewpoint when they've been on an incentive to get their patients vaccinated ?. GP's write you a prescription and want you out of there as quick as possible...in that sense, they are the biggest drug dealers in the world. Similarly vaccine companies are not going to tell you the negative effects of taking their jab. " Yes they are the biggest dealers in the world but they also have the person's medical history and sorry but vaccine companies are not hiding side effect from anyone, that attitude just doesn't help. Some people are unable to have the flu vaccine due to egg allergies for instance it could be as simple as that but the gp should discuss this as the ingredient lists for the vaccines are readily available and the nhs site even advises to discuss vaccine eligibility with health care staff if you have had a reaction or are allergic to any of the ingredients. | |||
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"Bored of saying it now. This won't end until the general population makes it end. The government won't grant us out liberty and freedom unless we demand it. Unfortunately most people can't see it and are easily duped. I agree with you 1 billion percent! But most folk in this country are that brainwashed with Covid fear that they don’t want their freedom. They want to be protected by the government and kept safe. not anything to do with being brainwashed or fear. It's to do with commonsense and following the science. At the moment we need to see where this new data is going. To me it would make sense to wait a little longer... just to be on the safe side. I dont need anyone to keep me safe. I was wearing a mask long before it was required just due to it making sense. " You can’t follow science, you can follow data. Unfortunately we’ve not been doing that. Look at the data for lockdown vs no lockdown, the data would suggest they do very little to stop the spread of the virus... but some folk continue to call for more lockdowns. Masks is another good example, the data would suggest they don’t actually work... however some folk feel the need to wear them. | |||
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"Bored of saying it now. This won't end until the general population makes it end. The government won't grant us out liberty and freedom unless we demand it. Unfortunately most people can't see it and are easily duped. I agree with you 1 billion percent! But most folk in this country are that brainwashed with Covid fear that they don’t want their freedom. They want to be protected by the government and kept safe. not anything to do with being brainwashed or fear. It's to do with commonsense and following the science. At the moment we need to see where this new data is going. To me it would make sense to wait a little longer... just to be on the safe side. I dont need anyone to keep me safe. I was wearing a mask long before it was required just due to it making sense. You can’t follow science, you can follow data. Unfortunately we’ve not been doing that. Look at the data for lockdown vs no lockdown, the data would suggest they do very little to stop the spread of the virus... but some folk continue to call for more lockdowns. Masks is another good example, the data would suggest they don’t actually work... however some folk feel the need to wear them." sorry but I'm not sure what data you have been looking at but I disagree with the masks dont make a difference and the lockdown hasn't.. to be fair ours could have been much more efficient had we worried less about people feeling their freedoms has been attacked and more on why we were doing it. Had we not taken the precautions we did I Dread to think of the numbers we would have been seeing. Masks work if worn correctly.. and to be fair just the way its helped with the less contagious infections over the last few months shows how well the precautions help. And if lockdown didnt help... why now we have practically lifted it are we seeing such a rise in numbers... It's easy to follow both the data and keep up to date with the science. I would recommend people download the zoe app to help too though..they have some really easy to understand but very informative reports on the site. | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns. My GP won’t talk to me about it Then why not have a look on the nhs website there is a lot of information on there concerning the vaccine, what it is, how works and such like or have a look on the manufactures websites. What are your concerns if you don't mind me asking? Adverse reactions to previous jabs, allergies and long term effects If you have had adverse reactions to previous vaccines and have allergies your gp should speak to you about your concerns to be honest And if they won't it may be worth looking at a change of gp or it may even be worth calling 119 and speaking to them and explaining that your not able to get advise from your gp All I get is referred to the internet is that by the gp? My GP has said they won't answer questions either, to be fair. It is a failing. That's what I was thinking especially if she has had adverse reactions to vaccines in the past, looking online it says to inform healthcare staff before getting the jab so maybe a call to 119 and see what their take on it is if the gp is being an arse about it?" I suspect GPs are in pandemic mode, still. Rightly or wrongly. I empowered myself early on by seeking out public health experts, but I'm fortunate to have the tools to know how to do that. Series 3 of the LSHTM Viral podcast is on vaccines, and is useful in general terms, although not specifics. I struggle to know how to make recommendations because I've been in the s of details for way too long. | |||
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"Bored of saying it now. This won't end until the general population makes it end. The government won't grant us out liberty and freedom unless we demand it. Unfortunately most people can't see it and are easily duped. I agree with you 1 billion percent! But most folk in this country are that brainwashed with Covid fear that they don’t want their freedom. They want to be protected by the government and kept safe. not anything to do with being brainwashed or fear. It's to do with commonsense and following the science. At the moment we need to see where this new data is going. To me it would make sense to wait a little longer... just to be on the safe side. I dont need anyone to keep me safe. I was wearing a mask long before it was required just due to it making sense. You can’t follow science, you can follow data. Unfortunately we’ve not been doing that. Look at the data for lockdown vs no lockdown, the data would suggest they do very little to stop the spread of the virus... but some folk continue to call for more lockdowns. Masks is another good example, the data would suggest they don’t actually work... however some folk feel the need to wear them. sorry but I'm not sure what data you have been looking at but I disagree with the masks dont make a difference and the lockdown hasn't.. to be fair ours could have been much more efficient had we worried less about people feeling their freedoms has been attacked and more on why we were doing it. Had we not taken the precautions we did I Dread to think of the numbers we would have been seeing. Masks work if worn correctly.. and to be fair just the way its helped with the less contagious infections over the last few months shows how well the precautions help. And if lockdown didnt help... why now we have practically lifted it are we seeing such a rise in numbers... It's easy to follow both the data and keep up to date with the science. I would recommend people download the zoe app to help too though..they have some really easy to understand but very informative reports on the site. " There is no evidence that masks work. The largest study to date proved they didn’t. That was the Denmark study. For lockdowns, if you’re looking at the data you just need to look at places that did lockdown vs places that didn’t. Take a look at that and you’ll see there is very little difference in death rates. Florida vs California is a good example. | |||
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"Bored of saying it now. This won't end until the general population makes it end. The government won't grant us out liberty and freedom unless we demand it. Unfortunately most people can't see it and are easily duped. I agree with you 1 billion percent! But most folk in this country are that brainwashed with Covid fear that they don’t want their freedom. They want to be protected by the government and kept safe. not anything to do with being brainwashed or fear. It's to do with commonsense and following the science. At the moment we need to see where this new data is going. To me it would make sense to wait a little longer... just to be on the safe side. I dont need anyone to keep me safe. I was wearing a mask long before it was required just due to it making sense. You can’t follow science, you can follow data. Unfortunately we’ve not been doing that. Look at the data for lockdown vs no lockdown, the data would suggest they do very little to stop the spread of the virus... but some folk continue to call for more lockdowns. Masks is another good example, the data would suggest they don’t actually work... however some folk feel the need to wear them. sorry but I'm not sure what data you have been looking at but I disagree with the masks dont make a difference and the lockdown hasn't.. to be fair ours could have been much more efficient had we worried less about people feeling their freedoms has been attacked and more on why we were doing it. Had we not taken the precautions we did I Dread to think of the numbers we would have been seeing. Masks work if worn correctly.. and to be fair just the way its helped with the less contagious infections over the last few months shows how well the precautions help. And if lockdown didnt help... why now we have practically lifted it are we seeing such a rise in numbers... It's easy to follow both the data and keep up to date with the science. I would recommend people download the zoe app to help too though..they have some really easy to understand but very informative reports on the site. " Data are tools used by experts to interpret events. Individual data points need to be considered against context, think about the quality of the studies, whether they're reproducible, etc. It's how you get from "I let a Covid patient cough on me and I'm totes fine" (anecdote) to meaningful information to guide policy. Science is the collation and interpretation of data by those who know the ins and outs of how to do it, not "my study is better than your study". | |||
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"Bored of saying it now. This won't end until the general population makes it end. The government won't grant us out liberty and freedom unless we demand it. Unfortunately most people can't see it and are easily duped. I agree with you 1 billion percent! But most folk in this country are that brainwashed with Covid fear that they don’t want their freedom. They want to be protected by the government and kept safe. not anything to do with being brainwashed or fear. It's to do with commonsense and following the science. At the moment we need to see where this new data is going. To me it would make sense to wait a little longer... just to be on the safe side. I dont need anyone to keep me safe. I was wearing a mask long before it was required just due to it making sense. You can’t follow science, you can follow data. Unfortunately we’ve not been doing that. Look at the data for lockdown vs no lockdown, the data would suggest they do very little to stop the spread of the virus... but some folk continue to call for more lockdowns. Masks is another good example, the data would suggest they don’t actually work... however some folk feel the need to wear them. sorry but I'm not sure what data you have been looking at but I disagree with the masks dont make a difference and the lockdown hasn't.. to be fair ours could have been much more efficient had we worried less about people feeling their freedoms has been attacked and more on why we were doing it. Had we not taken the precautions we did I Dread to think of the numbers we would have been seeing. Masks work if worn correctly.. and to be fair just the way its helped with the less contagious infections over the last few months shows how well the precautions help. And if lockdown didnt help... why now we have practically lifted it are we seeing such a rise in numbers... It's easy to follow both the data and keep up to date with the science. I would recommend people download the zoe app to help too though..they have some really easy to understand but very informative reports on the site. There is no evidence that masks work. The largest study to date proved they didn’t. That was the Denmark study. For lockdowns, if you’re looking at the data you just need to look at places that did lockdown vs places that didn’t. Take a look at that and you’ll see there is very little difference in death rates. Florida vs California is a good example. " sorry but the countries that locked down the hardest seem to have done much better.. and by lockdown I mean stop the flow of people on and out and restricted the movement of those inside the country. They are now pretty much having a covid free time.... we never actually locked down ...as a lockdown while allowing so much movement with exceptions was never going to be as effective as one where they really locked down. As to the masks... they help prevent those with germs from spreading rather than the other way around. | |||
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"Bored of saying it now. This won't end until the general population makes it end. The government won't grant us out liberty and freedom unless we demand it. Unfortunately most people can't see it and are easily duped. I agree with you 1 billion percent! But most folk in this country are that brainwashed with Covid fear that they don’t want their freedom. They want to be protected by the government and kept safe. not anything to do with being brainwashed or fear. It's to do with commonsense and following the science. At the moment we need to see where this new data is going. To me it would make sense to wait a little longer... just to be on the safe side. I dont need anyone to keep me safe. I was wearing a mask long before it was required just due to it making sense. You can’t follow science, you can follow data. Unfortunately we’ve not been doing that. Look at the data for lockdown vs no lockdown, the data would suggest they do very little to stop the spread of the virus... but some folk continue to call for more lockdowns. Masks is another good example, the data would suggest they don’t actually work... however some folk feel the need to wear them. sorry but I'm not sure what data you have been looking at but I disagree with the masks dont make a difference and the lockdown hasn't.. to be fair ours could have been much more efficient had we worried less about people feeling their freedoms has been attacked and more on why we were doing it. Had we not taken the precautions we did I Dread to think of the numbers we would have been seeing. Masks work if worn correctly.. and to be fair just the way its helped with the less contagious infections over the last few months shows how well the precautions help. And if lockdown didnt help... why now we have practically lifted it are we seeing such a rise in numbers... It's easy to follow both the data and keep up to date with the science. I would recommend people download the zoe app to help too though..they have some really easy to understand but very informative reports on the site. There is no evidence that masks work. The largest study to date proved they didn’t. That was the Denmark study. For lockdowns, if you’re looking at the data you just need to look at places that did lockdown vs places that didn’t. Take a look at that and you’ll see there is very little difference in death rates. Florida vs California is a good example. " This
The CDC funded a review of the literature in 2020 and found there was no statistically significant reduction in disease transmission through masks. Fauci himself admitted masks were useless as the virus particles are smaller than the gaps between the fibers in the masks.
And let's not even get started on the long term physical and mental health issues with long term use of them.
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"Just in the UK 31,000 die every year from obesity linked heart disease, have they stopped eating. 78000 die annually from smoking, have they stopped. 8000 die from alcohol poisoning, have they stopped, add another 4000 deaths from drugs. Collectively 123,000 a year, or 1.2 million over a decade, 2.4 million over 20 years. Kinda makes covid look insignificant by comparison. " So you are saying 123k a year die from obesity linked heart disease, smoking, alcohol related diseases and drugs combined. This is the same number that died from a new virus and with mitigation measures like lockdown, masks etc. And you say it looks insignificant | |||
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! It's a conversation we might have to have very soon. Yes, I think it's time. The elderly in particular have suffered enough. Totally agree, those of us that have risked those big, scary long term effects of the vaccines in order to help get back to normal now, should be allowed to live as close to how we were before covid as possible. Those that refuse the vaccine should face restrictions until they will have the vaccine, they don't think the vaccine is safe, I don't think them wandering around unchecked is safe. That is a horrible attitude So is not having the vaccine. Do not judge everyone the same. Refusal and genuine fear is very different It's still refusal. There's mountains of data proving the effectiveness and safety of the vaccines. This is not true. Nobody can promise me the vaccine is safe with my history and allergies. You need to stop tarring everyone with the same brush " If you have allergies that are likely to be triggered by the vaccine and cause you severe health issues or death, then for me, that's a valid medical reason not to get it. | |||
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"Just in the UK 31,000 die every year from obesity linked heart disease, have they stopped eating. 78000 die annually from smoking, have they stopped. 8000 die from alcohol poisoning, have they stopped, add another 4000 deaths from drugs. Collectively 123,000 a year, or 1.2 million over a decade, 2.4 million over 20 years. Kinda makes covid look insignificant by comparison. So you are saying 123k a year die from obesity linked heart disease, smoking, alcohol related diseases and drugs combined. This is the same number that died from a new virus and with mitigation measures like lockdown, masks etc. And you say it looks insignificant "Logic  | |||
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"Just in the UK 31,000 die every year from obesity linked heart disease, have they stopped eating. 78000 die annually from smoking, have they stopped. 8000 die from alcohol poisoning, have they stopped, add another 4000 deaths from drugs. Collectively 123,000 a year, or 1.2 million over a decade, 2.4 million over 20 years. Kinda makes covid look insignificant by comparison. So you are saying 123k a year die from obesity linked heart disease, smoking, alcohol related diseases and drugs combined. This is the same number that died from a new virus and with mitigation measures like lockdown, masks etc. And you say it looks insignificant "I was listening to a US discussion the other day on childhood Covid mortality. Only 500 kids in the US! With all the educational disruption and other unprecedented measures, 500 kids still died. That's... umm. Not good? | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns. My GP won’t talk to me about it Then why not have a look on the nhs website there is a lot of information on there concerning the vaccine, what it is, how works and such like or have a look on the manufactures websites. What are your concerns if you don't mind me asking? Adverse reactions to previous jabs, allergies and long term effects If you have had adverse reactions to previous vaccines and have allergies your gp should speak to you about your concerns to be honest And if they won't it may be worth looking at a change of gp or it may even be worth calling 119 and speaking to them and explaining that your not able to get advise from your gp All I get is referred to the internet " Miss Sin, it may well be that you are indeed one of the relatively small number of people for whom no type of vaccine would be safe. This would make it even more important that as many of the people around you who are able to be vaccinated, do get vaccinated. So that you gain second hand protection, by the people around you being less likely to catch covid from others, or if they do catch it, being infectious for a shorter period of time. Thus reducing the chances of you catching covid from them. We are in the fortunate position that there are now several different vaccines against covid, with differing composition, so it is likely that at least one of them would be safe and not trigger your allergic condition in the same way some previous vaccination obviously has. Establishing which vaccine (if any) would be most suitable for you may not be simple though, it could be a difficult decision even for a doctor with full knowledge of your medical history. However it is also the position that we are still in the midst of a global health crisis and our medical services are still overstretched. Rightly or wrongly, priority is currently being placed on getting as many of the straightforward cases jabbed as possible, with those who might need special pre-testing for allergies or more careful after-monitoring being given less attention at the moment. Hopefully as the situation becomes more normalised, it will become possible to give more care time to the corner cases. TBH it does sound as if you are getting little joy from your GP; it might be that they are run off their feet from the last 18 months, or they might just be very poor at communicating. And just keeping pointing you at the NHS website is little help if you have concerns that are not properly explained there. What you really want is some one-on-one time with a medical professional to properly explain and guide you through the options, and actually take responsibility as physician of care for your health. Sadly something that only the very wealthy seem to get these days. You do have legitimate concerns, and nobody can give you 100% reassurance that any particular treatment will be 100% safe for you. Please do try to sift out and ignore the anti-science and plain harmful messages, and try to find trustworthy voices to take advice from. Ultimately it does have to be your decision either way, and it may be that the best option could be to delay for a while. In the meantime, try to take whatever sensible precautions to stay safe, and to keep your loved ones safe. Polly xx | |||
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" So you are saying 123k a year die from obesity linked heart disease, smoking, alcohol related diseases and drugs combined. This is the same number that died from a new virus and with mitigation measures like lockdown, masks etc. And you say it looks insignificant "I’m saying the anti lockdown/ anti virus/ anti everything rhetoric is tedious. In isolation uk male obesity is 26%/ female 29%, but there are no compulsory diets or food rationing. Covid has turned into a political agenda. | |||
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"With all the Plans with regards to 21st of June being lifted , I think its all gone in the drain big time.
Everyone needs to wait until Monday and stop speculating.
. Really ? It's all been leaked to the media (as per usual) by the government. So when our incompetent , not fit for office leader addresses the nation he won't say anything that we don't already know . Its the way they do things "Predictive programming  | |||
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"Just in the UK 31,000 die every year from obesity linked heart disease, have they stopped eating. 78000 die annually from smoking, have they stopped. 8000 die from alcohol poisoning, have they stopped, add another 4000 deaths from drugs. Collectively 123,000 a year, or 1.2 million over a decade, 2.4 million over 20 years. Kinda makes covid look insignificant by comparison. So you are saying 123k a year die from obesity linked heart disease, smoking, alcohol related diseases and drugs combined. This is the same number that died from a new virus and with mitigation measures like lockdown, masks etc. And you say it looks insignificant
I was listening to a US discussion the other day on childhood Covid mortality. Only 500 kids in the US!
With all the educational disruption and other unprecedented measures, 500 kids still died. That's... umm. Not good?"How many have died of "covid" with no pre existing health conditions.  bearing in mind said person couldve came into hospital from a car crash and tested positive within 28days | |||
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine " what an idiotiotic statement. I get tested several times a week. Twice a week is recommended, due to my job it's more than that but why wouldn't people wear them. I also work in an area that wearing a mask throughout my whole shift is required... including at times full ppe. It hurts no one to test regularly but has helped stop outbreaks at work that would have cost lives. If you never go out mixing with others then its fine to not test or not wear masks but other than that I see it as highly irresponsible and selfish not to do so x | |||
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"Just in the UK 31,000 die every year from obesity linked heart disease, have they stopped eating. 78000 die annually from smoking, have they stopped. 8000 die from alcohol poisoning, have they stopped, add another 4000 deaths from drugs. Collectively 123,000 a year, or 1.2 million over a decade, 2.4 million over 20 years. Kinda makes covid look insignificant by comparison. So you are saying 123k a year die from obesity linked heart disease, smoking, alcohol related diseases and drugs combined. This is the same number that died from a new virus and with mitigation measures like lockdown, masks etc. And you say it looks insignificant
I was listening to a US discussion the other day on childhood Covid mortality. Only 500 kids in the US!
With all the educational disruption and other unprecedented measures, 500 kids still died. That's... umm. Not good?
How many have died of "covid" with no pre existing health conditions. bearing in mind said person couldve came into hospital from a car crash and tested positive within 28days "... So I'm talking about America, not the UK. The 28 day measure is in the UK. How many *children* is it acceptable to die, pre existing conditions or not? Sorry mum and dad, you rolled the wrong genetic dice, Sally died horribly, but you can go on holiday! | |||
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine " Agreed. Damn right. | |||
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine " 'Stop getting tested '? really? what a thing to come out with ! you don't want to be going anywhere anytime soon outside your home then will you? :/ | |||
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"Just in the UK 31,000 die every year from obesity linked heart disease, have they stopped eating. 78000 die annually from smoking, have they stopped. 8000 die from alcohol poisoning, have they stopped, add another 4000 deaths from drugs. Collectively 123,000 a year, or 1.2 million over a decade, 2.4 million over 20 years. Kinda makes covid look insignificant by comparison. " These are arguably self inflicted in one way or another..Covid is a a Viris the travels in the air.. very different wouldn't you say ? | |||
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"Bored of saying it now. This won't end until the general population makes it end. The government won't grant us out liberty and freedom unless we demand it. Unfortunately most people can't see it and are easily duped. I agree with you 1 billion percent! But most folk in this country are that brainwashed with Covid fear that they don’t want their freedom. They want to be protected by the government and kept safe. not anything to do with being brainwashed or fear. It's to do with commonsense and following the science. At the moment we need to see where this new data is going. To me it would make sense to wait a little longer... just to be on the safe side. I dont need anyone to keep me safe. I was wearing a mask long before it was required just due to it making sense. You can’t follow science, you can follow data. Unfortunately we’ve not been doing that. Look at the data for lockdown vs no lockdown, the data would suggest they do very little to stop the spread of the virus... but some folk continue to call for more lockdowns. Masks is another good example, the data would suggest they don’t actually work... however some folk feel the need to wear them. sorry but I'm not sure what data you have been looking at but I disagree with the masks dont make a difference and the lockdown hasn't.. to be fair ours could have been much more efficient had we worried less about people feeling their freedoms has been attacked and more on why we were doing it. Had we not taken the precautions we did I Dread to think of the numbers we would have been seeing. Masks work if worn correctly.. and to be fair just the way its helped with the less contagious infections over the last few months shows how well the precautions help. And if lockdown didnt help... why now we have practically lifted it are we seeing such a rise in numbers... It's easy to follow both the data and keep up to date with the science. I would recommend people download the zoe app to help too though..they have some really easy to understand but very informative reports on the site. There is no evidence that masks work. The largest study to date proved they didn’t. That was the Denmark study. For lockdowns, if you’re looking at the data you just need to look at places that did lockdown vs places that didn’t. Take a look at that and you’ll see there is very little difference in death rates. Florida vs California is a good example. This
The CDC funded a review of the literature in 2020 and found there was no statistically significant reduction in disease transmission through masks. Fauci himself admitted masks were useless as the virus particles are smaller than the gaps between the fibers in the masks.
And let's not even get started on the long term physical and mental health issues with long term use of them.
But of course science that bucks the narrative isn't real science. It's fake "Brilliant. Fake science debunked by the BBC. | |||
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine what an idiotiotic statement. I get tested several times a week. Twice a week is recommended, due to my job it's more than that but why wouldn't people wear them. I also work in an area that wearing a mask throughout my whole shift is required... including at times full ppe. It hurts no one to test regularly but has helped stop outbreaks at work that would have cost lives. If you never go out mixing with others then its fine to not test or not wear masks but other than that I see it as highly irresponsible and selfish not to do so x " Please confirm the rate of false positives from pcr testing then take that percentage of the amount if tests carried out daily
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"one systematic review reported false-negative rates of between 2% and 33% in repeat sample testing"
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine what an idiotiotic statement. I get tested several times a week. Twice a week is recommended, due to my job it's more than that but why wouldn't people wear them. I also work in an area that wearing a mask throughout my whole shift is required... including at times full ppe. It hurts no one to test regularly but has helped stop outbreaks at work that would have cost lives. If you never go out mixing with others then its fine to not test or not wear masks but other than that I see it as highly irresponsible and selfish not to do so x Please confirm the rate of false positives from pcr testing then take that percentage of the amount if tests carried out daily
as you probably wont check...the CDC state the following ;
"one systematic review reported false-negative rates of between 2% and 33% in repeat sample testing"
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine what an idiotiotic statement. I get tested several times a week. Twice a week is recommended, due to my job it's more than that but why wouldn't people wear them. I also work in an area that wearing a mask throughout my whole shift is required... including at times full ppe. It hurts no one to test regularly but has helped stop outbreaks at work that would have cost lives. If you never go out mixing with others then its fine to not test or not wear masks but other than that I see it as highly irresponsible and selfish not to do so x Please confirm the rate of false positives from pcr testing then take that percentage of the amount if tests carried out daily
as you probably wont check...the CDC state the following ;
"one systematic review reported false-negative rates of between 2% and 33% in repeat sample testing"
going in the middle workout 15% of 1 million tests..150,000 are false positives.
Your point? "Some numbers are wrong, therefore measuring anything is bad. | |||
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine what an idiotiotic statement. I get tested several times a week. Twice a week is recommended, due to my job it's more than that but why wouldn't people wear them. I also work in an area that wearing a mask throughout my whole shift is required... including at times full ppe. It hurts no one to test regularly but has helped stop outbreaks at work that would have cost lives. If you never go out mixing with others then its fine to not test or not wear masks but other than that I see it as highly irresponsible and selfish not to do so x Please confirm the rate of false positives from pcr testing then take that percentage of the amount if tests carried out daily
as you probably wont check...the CDC state the following ;
"one systematic review reported false-negative rates of between 2% and 33% in repeat sample testing"
going in the middle workout 15% of 1 million tests..150,000 are false positives."I've had 2 pcr tests since December every week.... not one has been positive... I've been having 4 lft tests per week on average too since for arguments sake... feb. Everyone in my work place is tested in a similar manner.. we have have 5 positive cases... everyone picked up NY lft then confirmed by pcr... isolation was then implemented and kept in check.... so I shall look at the evidence right in front of me. | |||
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine what an idiotiotic statement. I get tested several times a week. Twice a week is recommended, due to my job it's more than that but why wouldn't people wear them. I also work in an area that wearing a mask throughout my whole shift is required... including at times full ppe. It hurts no one to test regularly but has helped stop outbreaks at work that would have cost lives. If you never go out mixing with others then its fine to not test or not wear masks but other than that I see it as highly irresponsible and selfish not to do so x Please confirm the rate of false positives from pcr testing then take that percentage of the amount if tests carried out daily
as you probably wont check...the CDC state the following ;
"one systematic review reported false-negative rates of between 2% and 33% in repeat sample testing"
going in the middle workout 15% of 1 million tests..150,000 are false positives.
Your point?
Some numbers are wrong, therefore measuring anything is bad."If there was a huge majority of false positives I'd be concerned but that's clearly not the case. Peopling is hard | |||
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"Or people are genuinely worried about the vaccine I have no problem with those who have genuine worries about the vaccine and would fully suggest they speak to their gp and read the information available on the bus website or even the manufactures websites so that they get clear factual information that may bring an end to their concerns. My GP won’t talk to me about it Then why not have a look on the nhs website there is a lot of information on there concerning the vaccine, what it is, how works and such like or have a look on the manufactures websites. What are your concerns if you don't mind me asking? Adverse reactions to previous jabs, allergies and long term effects If you have had adverse reactions to previous vaccines and have allergies your gp should speak to you about your concerns to be honest And if they won't it may be worth looking at a change of gp or it may even be worth calling 119 and speaking to them and explaining that your not able to get advise from your gp All I get is referred to the internet Miss Sin, it may well be that you are indeed one of the relatively small number of people for whom no type of vaccine would be safe. This would make it even more important that as many of the people around you who are able to be vaccinated, do get vaccinated. So that you gain second hand protection, by the people around you being less likely to catch covid from others, or if they do catch it, being infectious for a shorter period of time. Thus reducing the chances of you catching covid from them. We are in the fortunate position that there are now several different vaccines against covid, with differing composition, so it is likely that at least one of them would be safe and not trigger your allergic condition in the same way some previous vaccination obviously has. Establishing which vaccine (if any) would be most suitable for you may not be simple though, it could be a difficult decision even for a doctor with full knowledge of your medical history. However it is also the position that we are still in the midst of a global health crisis and our medical services are still overstretched. Rightly or wrongly, priority is currently being placed on getting as many of the straightforward cases jabbed as possible, with those who might need special pre-testing for allergies or more careful after-monitoring being given less attention at the moment. Hopefully as the situation becomes more normalised, it will become possible to give more care time to the corner cases. TBH it does sound as if you are getting little joy from your GP; it might be that they are run off their feet from the last 18 months, or they might just be very poor at communicating. And just keeping pointing you at the NHS website is little help if you have concerns that are not properly explained there. What you really want is some one-on-one time with a medical professional to properly explain and guide you through the options, and actually take responsibility as physician of care for your health. Sadly something that only the very wealthy seem to get these days. You do have legitimate concerns, and nobody can give you 100% reassurance that any particular treatment will be 100% safe for you. Please do try to sift out and ignore the anti-science and plain harmful messages, and try to find trustworthy voices to take advice from. Ultimately it does have to be your decision either way, and it may be that the best option could be to delay for a while. In the meantime, try to take whatever sensible precautions to stay safe, and to keep your loved ones safe. Polly xx" Thankyou for commenting in this one Polly I was hoping you might do so, everything I found suggested seeking the help of a health care professional and wondered if it would be worth a call to 119 for their advice maybe as I agree completly she does seem yo have genuine reasons for concern that will not get answered accurately here. | |||
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine what an idiotiotic statement. I get tested several times a week. Twice a week is recommended, due to my job it's more than that but why wouldn't people wear them. I also work in an area that wearing a mask throughout my whole shift is required... including at times full ppe. It hurts no one to test regularly but has helped stop outbreaks at work that would have cost lives. If you never go out mixing with others then its fine to not test or not wear masks but other than that I see it as highly irresponsible and selfish not to do so x Please confirm the rate of false positives from pcr testing then take that percentage of the amount if tests carried out daily
as you probably wont check...the CDC state the following ;
"one systematic review reported false-negative rates of between 2% and 33% in repeat sample testing"
going in the middle workout 15% of 1 million tests..150,000 are false positives.
Your point?
Some numbers are wrong, therefore measuring anything is bad.
If there was a huge majority of false positives I'd be concerned but that's clearly not the case.
Peopling is hard "There's a proportion of false positives and negatives for any measurement. ... Therefore everything is fake, we live in the Matrix. Yes? | |||
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine what an idiotiotic statement. I get tested several times a week. Twice a week is recommended, due to my job it's more than that but why wouldn't people wear them. I also work in an area that wearing a mask throughout my whole shift is required... including at times full ppe. It hurts no one to test regularly but has helped stop outbreaks at work that would have cost lives. If you never go out mixing with others then its fine to not test or not wear masks but other than that I see it as highly irresponsible and selfish not to do so x Please confirm the rate of false positives from pcr testing then take that percentage of the amount if tests carried out daily
as you probably wont check...the CDC state the following ;
"one systematic review reported false-negative rates of between 2% and 33% in repeat sample testing"
going in the middle workout 15% of 1 million tests..150,000 are false positives. I've had 2 pcr tests since December every week.... not one has been positive... I've been having 4 lft tests per week on average too since for arguments sake... feb.
Everyone in my work place is tested in a similar manner.. we have have 5 positive cases... everyone picked up NY lft then confirmed by pcr... isolation was then implemented and kept in check.... so I shall look at the evidence right in front of me. "what if you were asymptomatic? the tests is only looking for virus in your throat n nose btw...in addition it does not differentiate between a live and dead coronavirus virus. In addition, it does not differentiate between all tyoes of coronaviruses which is done by genetic sequencing...these tests are a fallacy! | |||
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"Back to the original post though... they have actually not made any announcements yet and I shall be waiting till they have to make any decisions x " I'm sort of at the point, whatever the law/guidance is, I'll follow it. Anything that isn't required, once my immune response is mounted, fuck it, I'm done doing more than my share. | |||
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine what an idiotiotic statement. I get tested several times a week. Twice a week is recommended, due to my job it's more than that but why wouldn't people wear them. I also work in an area that wearing a mask throughout my whole shift is required... including at times full ppe. It hurts no one to test regularly but has helped stop outbreaks at work that would have cost lives. If you never go out mixing with others then its fine to not test or not wear masks but other than that I see it as highly irresponsible and selfish not to do so x Please confirm the rate of false positives from pcr testing then take that percentage of the amount if tests carried out daily
as you probably wont check...the CDC state the following ;
"one systematic review reported false-negative rates of between 2% and 33% in repeat sample testing"
going in the middle workout 15% of 1 million tests..150,000 are false positives. I've had 2 pcr tests since December every week.... not one has been positive... I've been having 4 lft tests per week on average too since for arguments sake... feb.
Everyone in my work place is tested in a similar manner.. we have have 5 positive cases... everyone picked up NY lft then confirmed by pcr... isolation was then implemented and kept in check.... so I shall look at the evidence right in front of me.
what if you were asymptomatic? the tests is only looking for virus in your throat n nose btw...in addition it does not differentiate between a live and dead coronavirus virus. In addition, it does not differentiate between all tyoes of coronaviruses which is done by genetic sequencing...these tests are a fallacy!"all 5 of those that were tested were asymptomatic hence the importance of the tests.... | |||
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine what an idiotiotic statement. I get tested several times a week. Twice a week is recommended, due to my job it's more than that but why wouldn't people wear them. I also work in an area that wearing a mask throughout my whole shift is required... including at times full ppe. It hurts no one to test regularly but has helped stop outbreaks at work that would have cost lives. If you never go out mixing with others then its fine to not test or not wear masks but other than that I see it as highly irresponsible and selfish not to do so x Please confirm the rate of false positives from pcr testing then take that percentage of the amount if tests carried out daily
as you probably wont check...the CDC state the following ;
"one systematic review reported false-negative rates of between 2% and 33% in repeat sample testing"
going in the middle workout 15% of 1 million tests..150,000 are false positives. I've had 2 pcr tests since December every week.... not one has been positive... I've been having 4 lft tests per week on average too since for arguments sake... feb.
Everyone in my work place is tested in a similar manner.. we have have 5 positive cases... everyone picked up NY lft then confirmed by pcr... isolation was then implemented and kept in check.... so I shall look at the evidence right in front of me.
what if you were asymptomatic? the tests is only looking for virus in your throat n nose btw...in addition it does not differentiate between a live and dead coronavirus virus. In addition, it does not differentiate between all tyoes of coronaviruses which is done by genetic sequencing...these tests are a fallacy!"I'm sure microbiologists have never thought of any of this. Go, write the paper, win the Nobel prize. I'm so glad we have actual intelligent people to protect us from the scientists who've never thought about any of the problems in their tools, ever. | |||
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"Y In addition, it does not differentiate between all tyoes of coronaviruses which is done by genetic sequencing..." I am curious as to which other coronaviruses you think the covid 19 tests pick up... | |||
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"Back to the original post though... they have actually not made any announcements yet and I shall be waiting till they have to make any decisions x " hahaha the media have leaked it as per usual...what makes you think this is any different....ill tell you what could wake you up out of your slumber though..... If current conditions is resulting in increases of positive tests and hospitalisations...what will one month extention of current circumstances lead to? yep a further rise needing further tightening...common sense is a wonderful thing | |||
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"Y In addition, it does not differentiate between all tyoes of coronaviruses which is done by genetic sequencing... I am curious as to which other coronaviruses you think the covid 19 tests pick up... " it does not differentiate...it just confirms you had a cold (coronavirus)...did you not do the same test for the kent variant as you did for the delta one and the chinese one lol? am i crazy? | |||
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"Back to the original post though... they have actually not made any announcements yet and I shall be waiting till they have to make any decisions x hahaha the media have leaked it as per usual...what makes you think this is any different....ill tell you what could wake you up out of your slumber though..... If current conditions is resulting in increases of positive tests and hospitalisations...what will one month extention of current circumstances lead to? yep a further rise needing further tightening...common sense is a wonderful thing" they leaked a delay for the last lifting.. and low and behold it happened on time... And thanks but I'm very much awake and just happen to research across the board. | |||
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"Bored of saying it now. This won't end until the general population makes it end. The government won't grant us out liberty and freedom unless we demand it. Unfortunately most people can't see it and are easily duped. I agree with you 1 billion percent! But most folk in this country are that brainwashed with Covid fear that they don’t want their freedom. They want to be protected by the government and kept safe. not anything to do with being brainwashed or fear. It's to do with commonsense and following the science. At the moment we need to see where this new data is going. To me it would make sense to wait a little longer... just to be on the safe side. I dont need anyone to keep me safe. I was wearing a mask long before it was required just due to it making sense. You can’t follow science, you can follow data. Unfortunately we’ve not been doing that. Look at the data for lockdown vs no lockdown, the data would suggest they do very little to stop the spread of the virus... but some folk continue to call for more lockdowns. Masks is another good example, the data would suggest they don’t actually work... however some folk feel the need to wear them." So if lockdowns don't work. What drove down the infections levels from January. Also if masks don't work with covid. Why is practically every country wearing them You know you can have sociological effects as well as medical don't you. | |||
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"Y In addition, it does not differentiate between all tyoes of coronaviruses which is done by genetic sequencing... I am curious as to which other coronaviruses you think the covid 19 tests pick up... it does not differentiate...it just confirms you had a cold (coronavirus)...did you not do the same test for the kent variant as you did for the delta one and the chinese one lol? am i crazy?" sorry but they do not pick up the common cold.... | |||
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"Back to the original post though... they have actually not made any announcements yet and I shall be waiting till they have to make any decisions x hahaha the media have leaked it as per usual...what makes you think this is any different....ill tell you what could wake you up out of your slumber though..... If current conditions is resulting in increases of positive tests and hospitalisations...what will one month extention of current circumstances lead to? yep a further rise needing further tightening...common sense is a wonderful thing" Ah, yes, common sense. The government are being stupid therefore the global science is wrong and global lizard people conspiracy. Such common. Much sense. Wow. | |||
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine what an idiotiotic statement. I get tested several times a week. Twice a week is recommended, due to my job it's more than that but why wouldn't people wear them. I also work in an area that wearing a mask throughout my whole shift is required... including at times full ppe. It hurts no one to test regularly but has helped stop outbreaks at work that would have cost lives. If you never go out mixing with others then its fine to not test or not wear masks but other than that I see it as highly irresponsible and selfish not to do so x Please confirm the rate of false positives from pcr testing then take that percentage of the amount if tests carried out daily
as you probably wont check...the CDC state the following ;
"one systematic review reported false-negative rates of between 2% and 33% in repeat sample testing"
going in the middle workout 15% of 1 million tests..150,000 are false positives. I've had 2 pcr tests since December every week.... not one has been positive... I've been having 4 lft tests per week on average too since for arguments sake... feb.
Everyone in my work place is tested in a similar manner.. we have have 5 positive cases... everyone picked up NY lft then confirmed by pcr... isolation was then implemented and kept in check.... so I shall look at the evidence right in front of me.
what if you were asymptomatic? the tests is only looking for virus in your throat n nose btw...in addition it does not differentiate between a live and dead coronavirus virus. In addition, it does not differentiate between all tyoes of coronaviruses which is done by genetic sequencing...these tests are a fallacy!
I'm sure microbiologists have never thought of any of this. Go, write the paper, win the Nobel prize. I'm so glad we have actual intelligent people to protect us from the scientists who've never thought about any of the problems in their tools, ever. "money talks darling... | |||
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"You nailed it! I say stop wearing masks and for the love of god stop getting tested- that just feeds the government’s propaganda machine 'Stop getting tested '? really? what a thing to come out with ! you don't want to be going anywhere anytime soon outside your home then will you? :/ " That's the carrot that being dangled in front of people. | |||
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"Bored of saying it now. This won't end until the general population makes it end. The government won't grant us out liberty and freedom unless we demand it. Unfortunately most people can't see it and are easily duped. I agree with you 1 billion percent! But most folk in this country are that brainwashed with Covid fear that they don’t want their freedom. They want to be protected by the government and kept safe. not anything to do with being brainwashed or fear. It's to do with commonsense and following the science. At the moment we need to see where this new data is going. To me it would make sense to wait a little longer... just to be on the safe side. I dont need anyone to keep me safe. I was wearing a mask long before it was required just due to it making sense. You can’t follow science, you can follow data. Unfortunately we’ve not been doing that. Look at the data for lockdown vs no lockdown, the data would suggest they do very little to stop the spread of the virus... but some folk continue to call for more lockdowns. Masks is another good example, the data would suggest they don’t actually work... however some folk feel the need to wear them. So if lockdowns don't work. What drove down the infections levels from January. Also if masks don't work with covid. Why is practically every country wearing them You know you can have sociological effects as well as medical don't you. " As I say above, science is not "my study is better than your study", and yet, here we are, people still quoting DANMASK-19 and other such things despite the science moving on. *Shrug* | |||
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"Back to the original post though... they have actually not made any announcements yet and I shall be waiting till they have to make any decisions x hahaha the media have leaked it as per usual...what makes you think this is any different....ill tell you what could wake you up out of your slumber though..... If current conditions is resulting in increases of positive tests and hospitalisations...what will one month extention of current circumstances lead to? yep a further rise needing further tightening...common sense is a wonderful thing Ah, yes, common sense. The government are being stupid therefore the global science is wrong and global lizard people conspiracy. Such common. Much sense. Wow." my fellow dogecoin investor much wow lol | |||
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"Back to the original post though... they have actually not made any announcements yet and I shall be waiting till they have to make any decisions x hahaha the media have leaked it as per usual...what makes you think this is any different....ill tell you what could wake you up out of your slumber though..... If current conditions is resulting in increases of positive tests and hospitalisations...what will one month extention of current circumstances lead to? yep a further rise needing further tightening...common sense is a wonderful thing they leaked a delay for the last lifting.. and low and behold it happened on time... And thanks but I'm very much awake and just happen to research across the board. " Yep my opinion we should wait 2 weeks, but no one knows until tomorrow | |||
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"Y In addition, it does not differentiate between all tyoes of coronaviruses which is done by genetic sequencing... I am curious as to which other coronaviruses you think the covid 19 tests pick up... it does not differentiate...it just confirms you had a cold (coronavirus)...did you not do the same test for the kent variant as you did for the delta one and the chinese one lol? am i crazy?"  the reason you do the same test for different variants of the same virus is that they are the same virus... the common cold has a similar but distinctively different make up to covid 19.. but it is not the same virus, just part of the same family x
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"I think there should be some extra freedom for the fully vaccinated!! And have a 2 tier society? How has that ever worked out in the past?? Check history and you’ll see it’s never been great. I’m sure you and Tony Blair would be quite happy. He suggested the very same thing and he was a great man wasn’t he? Oh forget all those war crimes... he’s got a great smile. 'Create'? ..no it's people who are creating this not governments. Of course people have a choice to do what they wish to. However, be mindful that choice brings consequence. So yes by all means refuse or reject something but understand that will impact in some way particularly if it is not what everyone else agrees to. It's sheer naivety of anyone now who refuses the vaccine or to be tested to expect that this won't effect their everyday work and life in the future. Restrictions of some kind are inevitable..people will take sides..they already are taking sides..I didn't think I would but already have refused workers visit my home who can't prove vaccination status . working rules and regulations and some jobs that are now insisting on double vaccination proof to be able to work somewhere you know!.. I will continue not to allow any tradesman into my home without proof of vaccination and I would refuse to be treated by a doctor or NHS worker for the same reason..I feel I'm justified doing this others will disagree . It is sad but it's inevitable that people who think they can have a choice in something will eventually have to pay a price for making that decision not to follow the herd. The more who get vaccinated the more of a minority group those who genuinely can't be vaccinated will become and somewhat not impacted by this for sure . The remainder of people with a conscience /free thinkers all ? may as well start to think about an alternative 'off grid' way of living away from what is going to become the new normal . Not sure why you mentioned Blair though? two tier society is always every politicians dream isn't it? ..though in this case it may not be just the politicians who are going to be looking for some form of segregation in the years to come I can assure you of that ." If you are fully vaccinated, what does it matter to you if a tradesman is not? | |||
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"Y In addition, it does not differentiate between all tyoes of coronaviruses which is done by genetic sequencing... I am curious as to which other coronaviruses you think the covid 19 tests pick up... it does not differentiate...it just confirms you had a cold (coronavirus)...did you not do the same test for the kent variant as you did for the delta one and the chinese one lol? am i crazy?"
https://fullfact.org/online/PCR-test-coronavirus/
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