On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die. |
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die."
Simple as that? Do you know which jab they had? Contemplated the different strand, that didn’t exist when it was created.
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The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die."
Yes it's well known that the vaccine reduces the risk but does eliminate it. |
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
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All those dead people don’t matter to you then.? I’m sure they’d choose the jab |
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
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My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it? |
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it? "
99.98% survival rate in my age bracket. And that's only if I catch it.
Yeah I'll take my chances with Rona over the vaccine any day |
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My ex worked in a bank. Was sent home start of Match 2020 as she was deemed at high risk. Called back into work second week of October 2020. Two staff caught the virus believed from the cleaner who admitted having it but couldn’t afford not to be work due to financial reasons. Ex died 07/11/21. The other staff member survived. |
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it?
99.98% survival rate in my age bracket. And that's only if I catch it.
Yeah I'll take my chances with Rona over the vaccine any day"
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Seriously?
Yes seriously.
My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it? "
Every day in our day to day lives we face larger odds of death than the rona.
So with a 0.?% chance of dying from the rona, I'm more than happy with my choice.
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it?
99.98% survival rate in my age bracket. And that's only if I catch it.
Yeah I'll take my chances with Rona over the vaccine any day
However, you might help the virus to mutate further and extend the problem for everyone...including yourself. Just a thought maybe."
It will mutate regardless. Vaccines dying stop mutations. The vaccine only reduces your symptoms. |
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it?
99.98% survival rate in my age bracket. And that's only if I catch it.
Yeah I'll take my chances with Rona over the vaccine any day
However, you might help the virus to mutate further and extend the problem for everyone...including yourself. Just a thought maybe."
Show me the science that proves this is even a thing?
Because I can show you plenty of science that shows unsuccessful medical treatments are the thing that causes really dangerous variants.
Take a look at MRSA or treatment resistant strains of HIV.
And here we have have people dying of Corona while vaccinated. This is where dangerous variants will come from.
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It will mutate regardless. Vaccines dying stop mutations. The vaccine only reduces your symptoms."
A virus relies on new transmissions to mutate. If you can stop the transmissions, there will be no new mutations.
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
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I've had it....trust me, you dont want it! 1st jab done, 2nd next in 2 months. You really wouldnt want it! |
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It will mutate regardless. Vaccines dying stop mutations. The vaccine only reduces your symptoms.
A virus relies on new transmissions to mutate. If you can stop the transmissions, there will be no new mutations.
Cal"
But the vaccine doesn't stop transmission and death.
Which means the virus has far more chance of mutating into a completely vaccine resistant strain.
This is wha happens when treatments fail.
There is zero science to what you say.
Virus are living things that want to survive. This means mutations into less deadly variants is what insures their survival.
This is what virus have always done in all the history of studying virus.
Throw in modern medicine and it changes.
Antibiotics for instance, now the virus is forced to mutate into a antibiotic resistant strain to survive, this is why MRSA became such a problem.
If a deadly variant appears it will be because of treatment failure in vaccinated people.
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The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die."
I can't believe people are seeing this as breaking news.
No-one ever said that the vaccine will make you immune FFS just reduce the symptoms should you get it.
And this new Delta variant is a new beast entirely.
I have the flu jab every year,but I fully understand that whilst I am being vaccinated against the known and most common strand's 4 last year I think, I am still at risk of catching another strain of flu.
Honestly people really need to grow up and stop acting like the cool kids at the back of the bus trying to put up the middle finger against authority.
Forget the Hollywood movies where a miracle cure is found and everyone is fine overnight or a vaccine mutates us all into flesh eating zombies.
For the closed minded out there.
It will take many years to get it under control if ever.
Yearly booster given to the vulnerable with vaccination against new strains added, just like the flu jab.
It's not a cure all it's designed to hopefully control it.
But here's the thing the greater the amount of people who don't get vaccinated the longer it's going to be around and the greater the chance of developing variants.
So to all the anti vaxxers,it's your choice but don't be the first one's to start bitching if restrictions are reintroduced.
You have made a choice so deal with the consequences. |
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
All those dead people don’t matter to you then.? I’m sure they’d choose the jab"
Here we go with the dead don’t matter quote, give it a rest. It’s not any ones fault that you rushed in to get a trail drug , and now realise it doesn’t work . |
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"My ex worked in a bank. Was sent home start of Match 2020 as she was deemed at high risk. Called back into work second week of October 2020. Two staff caught the virus believed from the cleaner who admitted having it but couldn’t afford not to be work due to financial reasons. Ex died 07/11/21. The other staff member survived. "
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I can't believe people are seeing this as breaking news.
No-one ever said that the vaccine will make you immune FFS just reduce the symptoms should you get it.
And this new Delta variant is a new beast entirely.
I have the flu jab every year,but I fully understand that whilst I am being vaccinated against the known and most common strand's 4 last year I think, I am still at risk of catching another strain of flu.
Honestly people really need to grow up and stop acting like the cool kids at the back of the bus trying to put up the middle finger against authority.
Forget the Hollywood movies where a miracle cure is found and everyone is fine overnight or a vaccine mutates us all into flesh eating zombies.
For the closed minded out there.
It will take many years to get it under control if ever.
Yearly booster given to the vulnerable with vaccination against new strains added, just like the flu jab.
It's not a cure all it's designed to hopefully control it.
But here's the thing the greater the amount of people who don't get vaccinated the longer it's going to be around and the greater the chance of developing variants.
So to all the anti vaxxers,it's your choice but don't be the first one's to start bitching if restrictions are reintroduced.
You have made a choice so deal with the consequences."
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I can't believe people are seeing this as breaking news.
No-one ever said that the vaccine will make you immune FFS just reduce the symptoms should you get it.
And this new Delta variant is a new beast entirely.
I have the flu jab every year,but I fully understand that whilst I am being vaccinated against the known and most common strand's 4 last year I think, I am still at risk of catching another strain of flu.
Honestly people really need to grow up and stop acting like the cool kids at the back of the bus trying to put up the middle finger against authority.
Forget the Hollywood movies where a miracle cure is found and everyone is fine overnight or a vaccine mutates us all into flesh eating zombies.
For the closed minded out there.
It will take many years to get it under control if ever.
Yearly booster given to the vulnerable with vaccination against new strains added, just like the flu jab.
It's not a cure all it's designed to hopefully control it.
But here's the thing the greater the amount of people who don't get vaccinated the longer it's going to be around and the greater the chance of developing variants.
So to all the anti vaxxers,it's your choice but don't be the first one's to start bitching if restrictions are reintroduced.
You have made a choice so deal with the consequences."
Utter nonsense. Please refer to my two previous replies to this post. Absolutely zero evidence of what you say.
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"My ex worked in a bank. Was sent home start of Match 2020 as she was deemed at high risk. Called back into work second week of October 2020. Two staff caught the virus believed from the cleaner who admitted having it but couldn’t afford not to be work due to financial reasons. Ex died 07/11/21. The other staff member survived.
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Survived. |
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it?
99.98% survival rate in my age bracket. And that's only if I catch it.
Yeah I'll take my chances with Rona over the vaccine any day
However, you might help the virus to mutate further and extend the problem for everyone...including yourself. Just a thought maybe.
It will mutate regardless. Vaccines dying stop mutations. The vaccine only reduces your symptoms."
And this is where you are completely missing the point of the vaccine.
It's NOT just about stopping people dying it's about the long term effects of the virus on those who Don't die.
I had covid last year I had it bad thankfully I avoided hospital but I was sick for weeks, and I now have long covid and frankly it's poleaxed me I'm a shadow of my former self physically and mentally, thankfully still here but ten years ago I was taking part in ironman triathlons, long distance cycle event's and ultra marathons, swimming around 20k and week running 40+ miles a week and cycling around 150-200 miles a week.
The last few years that's reduced but I attended the gym 5days a week and still did open water swimming also a very physical job.
Being diabetic and asthmatic I look after my diet and health.
So I wouldn't have classed myself as "vulnerable" yet I'm totally fucked now I can hardly walk up the stairs without stopping becoming breathless.
So please get the notion of the virus just being about death out of your head and understand it's far more reaching.
I pray you don't get it and have a long and happy life, but just be 100% sure you understand the consequences if you should contract it.
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I can't believe people are seeing this as breaking news.
No-one ever said that the vaccine will make you immune FFS just reduce the symptoms should you get it.
And this new Delta variant is a new beast entirely.
I have the flu jab every year,but I fully understand that whilst I am being vaccinated against the known and most common strand's 4 last year I think, I am still at risk of catching another strain of flu.
Honestly people really need to grow up and stop acting like the cool kids at the back of the bus trying to put up the middle finger against authority.
Forget the Hollywood movies where a miracle cure is found and everyone is fine overnight or a vaccine mutates us all into flesh eating zombies.
For the closed minded out there.
It will take many years to get it under control if ever.
Yearly booster given to the vulnerable with vaccination against new strains added, just like the flu jab.
It's not a cure all it's designed to hopefully control it.
But here's the thing the greater the amount of people who don't get vaccinated the longer it's going to be around and the greater the chance of developing variants.
So to all the anti vaxxers,it's your choice but don't be the first one's to start bitching if restrictions are reintroduced.
You have made a choice so deal with the consequences.
Utter nonsense. Please refer to my two previous replies to this post. Absolutely zero evidence of what you say.
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it?
99.98% survival rate in my age bracket. And that's only if I catch it.
Yeah I'll take my chances with Rona over the vaccine any day
However, you might help the virus to mutate further and extend the problem for everyone...including yourself. Just a thought maybe.
It will mutate regardless. Vaccines dying stop mutations. The vaccine only reduces your symptoms.
And this is where you are completely missing the point of the vaccine.
It's NOT just about stopping people dying it's about the long term effects of the virus on those who Don't die.
I had covid last year I had it bad thankfully I avoided hospital but I was sick for weeks, and I now have long covid and frankly it's poleaxed me I'm a shadow of my former self physically and mentally, thankfully still here but ten years ago I was taking part in ironman triathlons, long distance cycle event's and ultra marathons, swimming around 20k and week running 40+ miles a week and cycling around 150-200 miles a week.
The last few years that's reduced but I attended the gym 5days a week and still did open water swimming also a very physical job.
Being diabetic and asthmatic I look after my diet and health.
So I wouldn't have classed myself as "vulnerable" yet I'm totally fucked now I can hardly walk up the stairs without stopping becoming breathless.
So please get the notion of the virus just being about death out of your head and understand it's far more reaching.
I pray you don't get it and have a long and happy life, but just be 100% sure you understand the consequences if you should contract it.
"
That's great. So people who want to get the vaccine can get it and protect themselves.
If it protects you then why does it matter if the rest of us chose not to get vaccinated.
Before anyone raises the "to stop new variants" card again please refer to my ealier posts |
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it?
99.98% survival rate in my age bracket. And that's only if I catch it.
Yeah I'll take my chances with Rona over the vaccine any day
However, you might help the virus to mutate further and extend the problem for everyone...including yourself. Just a thought maybe.
It will mutate regardless. Vaccines dying stop mutations. The vaccine only reduces your symptoms.
And this is where you are completely missing the point of the vaccine.
It's NOT just about stopping people dying it's about the long term effects of the virus on those who Don't die.
I had covid last year I had it bad thankfully I avoided hospital but I was sick for weeks, and I now have long covid and frankly it's poleaxed me I'm a shadow of my former self physically and mentally, thankfully still here but ten years ago I was taking part in ironman triathlons, long distance cycle event's and ultra marathons, swimming around 20k and week running 40+ miles a week and cycling around 150-200 miles a week.
The last few years that's reduced but I attended the gym 5days a week and still did open water swimming also a very physical job.
Being diabetic and asthmatic I look after my diet and health.
So I wouldn't have classed myself as "vulnerable" yet I'm totally fucked now I can hardly walk up the stairs without stopping becoming breathless.
So please get the notion of the virus just being about death out of your head and understand it's far more reaching.
I pray you don't get it and have a long and happy life, but just be 100% sure you understand the consequences if you should contract it.
"
My son had it at the same time as his mum. He is 6’3” and was fit as a butchers dog. The virus poleaxed him. While his mum was dying in ICU he was bed ridden for 10 days. Proper ill. He’s not as fit and strong as he was at the moment. |
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The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die."
We've known this all along. |
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
All those dead people don’t matter to you then.? I’m sure they’d choose the jab
Here we go with the dead don’t matter quote, give it a rest. It’s not any ones fault that you rushed in to get a trail drug , and now realise it doesn’t work . "
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it?
99.98% survival rate in my age bracket. And that's only if I catch it.
Yeah I'll take my chances with Rona over the vaccine any day
However, you might help the virus to mutate further and extend the problem for everyone...including yourself. Just a thought maybe.
It will mutate regardless. Vaccines dying stop mutations. The vaccine only reduces your symptoms.
And this is where you are completely missing the point of the vaccine.
It's NOT just about stopping people dying it's about the long term effects of the virus on those who Don't die.
I had covid last year I had it bad thankfully I avoided hospital but I was sick for weeks, and I now have long covid and frankly it's poleaxed me I'm a shadow of my former self physically and mentally, thankfully still here but ten years ago I was taking part in ironman triathlons, long distance cycle event's and ultra marathons, swimming around 20k and week running 40+ miles a week and cycling around 150-200 miles a week.
The last few years that's reduced but I attended the gym 5days a week and still did open water swimming also a very physical job.
Being diabetic and asthmatic I look after my diet and health.
So I wouldn't have classed myself as "vulnerable" yet I'm totally fucked now I can hardly walk up the stairs without stopping becoming breathless.
So please get the notion of the virus just being about death out of your head and understand it's far more reaching.
I pray you don't get it and have a long and happy life, but just be 100% sure you understand the consequences if you should contract it.
That's great. So people who want to get the vaccine can get it and protect themselves.
If it protects you then why does it matter if the rest of us chose not to get vaccinated.
Before anyone raises the "to stop new variants" card again please refer to my ealier posts"
What are you waffling on about???
Look if it was up to me the vaccine would be compulsory but it's not people still have the choice, my point is that if people choose not to get vaccinated make sure they are fully aware what that could mean.
You clearly have an agenda I'm not going to continue to discuss it further with you.
I know what I know from person experience and I have no idea where you are coming from.
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What are you waffling on about???
Look if it was up to me the vaccine would be compulsory but it's not people still have the choice, my point is that if people choose not to get vaccinated make sure they are fully aware what that could mean.
You clearly have an agenda I'm not going to continue to discuss it further with you.
I know what I know from person experience and I have no idea where you are coming from.
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This is the problem I'm not waffling.
I've raised some very serious points. All of which no one has yet to have offered any scientific evidence to refute.
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It will mutate regardless. Vaccines dying stop mutations. The vaccine only reduces your symptoms.
A virus relies on new transmissions to mutate. If you can stop the transmissions, there will be no new mutations.
Cal
But the vaccine doesn't stop transmission and death.
Which means the virus has far more chance of mutating into a completely vaccine resistant strain.
This is wha happens when treatments fail.
There is zero science to what you say.
Virus are living things that want to survive. This means mutations into less deadly variants is what insures their survival.
This is what virus have always done in all the history of studying virus.
Throw in modern medicine and it changes.
Antibiotics for instance, now the virus is forced to mutate into a antibiotic resistant strain to survive, this is why MRSA became such a problem.
If a deadly variant appears it will be because of treatment failure in vaccinated people.
Please anyone show me any science to prove me wrong"
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I can't believe people are seeing this as breaking news.
No-one ever said that the vaccine will make you immune FFS just reduce the symptoms should you get it.
And this new Delta variant is a new beast entirely.
I have the flu jab every year,but I fully understand that whilst I am being vaccinated against the known and most common strand's 4 last year I think, I am still at risk of catching another strain of flu.
Honestly people really need to grow up and stop acting like the cool kids at the back of the bus trying to put up the middle finger against authority.
Forget the Hollywood movies where a miracle cure is found and everyone is fine overnight or a vaccine mutates us all into flesh eating zombies.
For the closed minded out there.
It will take many years to get it under control if ever.
Yearly booster given to the vulnerable with vaccination against new strains added, just like the flu jab.
It's not a cure all it's designed to hopefully control it.
But here's the thing the greater the amount of people who don't get vaccinated the longer it's going to be around and the greater the chance of developing variants.
So to all the anti vaxxers,it's your choice but don't be the first one's to start bitching if restrictions are reintroduced.
You have made a choice so deal with the consequences."
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The jabs dont make you imune
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"People on here will defend these vaccines even if it had been 20 people fully vaccinated who had died.
The fact is those numbers are shocking. 12 fully vaccinated dead out of 40, 25%, given the huge number of adverse effects and deaths related to these vaccine
(More deaths in the last year than the last 15 years of all other vaccine deaths put together) I'd say it's clear this vaccination program should be halted.
Also given how the Fauci prove that the man leading the vaccination program and pushing "the science" behind Corona, knew full well there were other extremely effective treatments but suppressed them.
I wonder how many pro vaxxers here even know about the FOAI request that has expose thousands of documents proving exactly what many of of crazy tin foil hat wearers have been saying for 6 months?"
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"People on here will defend these vaccines even if it had been 20 people fully vaccinated who had died.
The fact is those numbers are shocking. 12 fully vaccinated dead out of 40, 25%, given the huge number of adverse effects and deaths related to these vaccine
(More deaths in the last year than the last 15 years of all other vaccine deaths put together) I'd say it's clear this vaccination program should be halted.
Also given how the Fauci prove that the man leading the vaccination program and pushing "the science" behind Corona, knew full well there were other extremely effective treatments but suppressed them.
I wonder how many pro vaxxers here even know about the FOAI request that has expose thousands of documents proving exactly what many of of crazy tin foil hat wearers have been saying for 6 months?
So what you are saying is that 25% have died from being fully vaccinated and 75% have died without being fully vaccinated. And that it is better to be in the 75% "
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"People on here will defend these vaccines even if it had been 20 people fully vaccinated who had died.
The fact is those numbers are shocking. 12 fully vaccinated dead out of 40, 25%, given the huge number of adverse effects and deaths related to these vaccine
(More deaths in the last year than the last 15 years of all other vaccine deaths put together) I'd say it's clear this vaccination program should be halted.
Also given how the Fauci prove that the man leading the vaccination program and pushing "the science" behind Corona, knew full well there were other extremely effective treatments but suppressed them.
I wonder how many pro vaxxers here even know about the FOAI request that has expose thousands of documents proving exactly what many of of crazy tin foil hat wearers have been saying for 6 months?
So what you are saying is that 25% have died from being fully vaccinated and 75% have died without being fully vaccinated. And that it is better to be in the 75%
But the figures he is quoting mean nothing without the details, even then the vaccine is better for you "
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I think we've all learned that the virus can be deadly and the Delta variant from India had particularly severe outcomes there. The vaccines are very effective and I'd prefer my chances with them, if facing this variant, than without their immunity. Thankfully many vaccine hesitant people have gained confidence in them and more are now covered or planning it. We do need to counteract the dangerous scaremongering on them, as the country is in a position to suppress it and move on with life now. It's restrictions or vaccines as tools to get free. The vaccines are generally very effective and safe and should reduce the potential for serious illness and deaths. There's never 100% guaranteed cover but they are the best we have today. |
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over a year ago
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die."
I thought everyone knew the vaccine wasn't a magic bullet, but that it will lessen the effects of Covid if you catch it.
I thought everyone knew that you weren't immediately protected the second after you were fully vaccinated.
I thought everyone knew the vaccine was developed to protect against Covid 19, not it's variants.
I thought people knew so much. I fear they know so little.
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By * Plus ECouple
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It will mutate regardless. Vaccines dying stop mutations. The vaccine only reduces your symptoms.
A virus relies on new transmissions to mutate. If you can stop the transmissions, there will be no new mutations.
Cal
But the vaccine doesn't stop transmission and death.
Which means the virus has far more chance of mutating into a completely vaccine resistant strain.
This is wha happens when treatments fail.
There is zero science to what you say.
Virus are living things that want to survive. This means mutations into less deadly variants is what insures their survival.
This is what virus have always done in all the history of studying virus.
Throw in modern medicine and it changes.
Antibiotics for instance, now the virus is forced to mutate into a antibiotic resistant strain to survive, this is why MRSA became such a problem.
If a deadly variant appears it will be because of treatment failure in vaccinated people.
Please anyone show me any science to prove me wrong"
Show me the science that says you're right.
I'm going to suggest your understanding of vaccines, mutations and vaccines is woefully ignorant.
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What are you waffling on about???
Look if it was up to me the vaccine would be compulsory but it's not people still have the choice, my point is that if people choose not to get vaccinated make sure they are fully aware what that could mean.
You clearly have an agenda I'm not going to continue to discuss it further with you.
I know what I know from person experience and I have no idea where you are coming from.
This is the problem I'm not waffling.
I've raised some very serious points. All of which no one has yet to have offered any scientific evidence to refute.
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Why should we bother whatever scientific evidence presented your going to poo poo it because it will be evidence that doesn't suit your agenda.
I've read many post's on here by people such as yourself claiming to have undeniable medical evidence that the vaccine doesn't work and it's dangerous all from a large number of questionable sources I've yet to trust a single one of them as it's usually a link of a link of a link posted by some random on Facebook because his cousins auntie said so.
If you are a scientist with actual proof that can't be argued with then fine I'll listen.
But for now I'll take my advice from professional scientists payed by the government to provide safe and effective advice.
If you and others want to twist and bend the truth then there's nowt I can do.
My scientific evidence is there on display, vaccination centres, care home's, hospital ward's, major news outlets, government website's, own experience that new variant aside the vaccination program is working and saving lives.
Oh and your whole " vaccinations cause mutations" argument is flawed as the Indian variant appeared there BEFORE they started vaccinating not after the whole population was vaccinated which your whole argument is based on.
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it?
99.98% survival rate in my age bracket. And that's only if I catch it.
Yeah I'll take my chances with Rona over the vaccine any day
However, you might help the virus to mutate further and extend the problem for everyone...including yourself. Just a thought maybe.
It will mutate regardless. Vaccines dying stop mutations. The vaccine only reduces your symptoms.
And this is where you are completely missing the point of the vaccine.
It's NOT just about stopping people dying it's about the long term effects of the virus on those who Don't die.
I had covid last year I had it bad thankfully I avoided hospital but I was sick for weeks, and I now have long covid and frankly it's poleaxed me I'm a shadow of my former self physically and mentally, thankfully still here but ten years ago I was taking part in ironman triathlons, long distance cycle event's and ultra marathons, swimming around 20k and week running 40+ miles a week and cycling around 150-200 miles a week.
The last few years that's reduced but I attended the gym 5days a week and still did open water swimming also a very physical job.
Being diabetic and asthmatic I look after my diet and health.
So I wouldn't have classed myself as "vulnerable" yet I'm totally fucked now I can hardly walk up the stairs without stopping becoming breathless.
So please get the notion of the virus just being about death out of your head and understand it's far more reaching.
I pray you don't get it and have a long and happy life, but just be 100% sure you understand the consequences if you should contract it.
That's great. So people who want to get the vaccine can get it and protect themselves.
If it protects you then why does it matter if the rest of us chose not to get vaccinated.
Before anyone raises the "to stop new variants" card again please refer to my ealier posts"
There are many reasons for having the largest proportion of the population vaccinated as possible. It helps to stop infections, with each person infected being a potential source of a new deadlier mutation, for example. Each additional person infected could be the avoidable source of someone else's death or disability. Covid isn't just about death - it's long term impact is huge. Some of the effects on preventing us operating society back up is because of the antivax people. Their deadly influence is causing businesses to go to the wall.
The vaccines reduce the numbers of infections, deaths and long term disability and poor health. |
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I thought everyone knew the vaccine wasn't a magic bullet, but that it will lessen the effects of Covid if you catch it.
I thought everyone knew that you weren't immediately protected the second after you were fully vaccinated.
I thought everyone knew the vaccine was developed to protect against Covid 19, not it's variants.
I thought people knew so much. I fear they know so little.
E
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Sadly not, evidence being all the people posting status updates stating
" Had both vaccines now safe to play"
Interesting to hear yesterday the R number is way up over 1 again !! |
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I thought everyone knew the vaccine wasn't a magic bullet, but that it will lessen the effects of Covid if you catch it.
I thought everyone knew that you weren't immediately protected the second after you were fully vaccinated.
I thought everyone knew the vaccine was developed to protect against Covid 19, not it's variants.
I thought people knew so much. I fear they know so little.
E
Sadly not, evidence being all the people posting status updates stating
" Had both vaccines now safe to play"
Interesting to hear yesterday the R number is way up over 1 again !!"
The transmission rate is always likely to raise with the loosening of restrictions in a country that isn't fully vaccinated.
What you need to focus your attention on are the hospitals admissions and deaths.
Which are currently extremely low. |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I thought everyone knew the vaccine wasn't a magic bullet, but that it will lessen the effects of Covid if you catch it.
I thought everyone knew that you weren't immediately protected the second after you were fully vaccinated.
I thought everyone knew the vaccine was developed to protect against Covid 19, not it's variants.
I thought people knew so much. I fear they know so little.
E
Sadly not, evidence being all the people posting status updates stating
" Had both vaccines now safe to play"
Interesting to hear yesterday the R number is way up over 1 again !!"
What the chap above is spouting is dangerous nonsense. His knowledge of vaccines, viruses and their variants is woefully ignorant.
His comments should be removed from the thread.
And I'm against heavy handed censorship.
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I thought everyone knew the vaccine wasn't a magic bullet, but that it will lessen the effects of Covid if you catch it.
I thought everyone knew that you weren't immediately protected the second after you were fully vaccinated.
I thought everyone knew the vaccine was developed to protect against Covid 19, not it's variants.
I thought people knew so much. I fear they know so little.
E
Sadly not, evidence being all the people posting status updates stating
" Had both vaccines now safe to play"
Interesting to hear yesterday the R number is way up over 1 again !!
The transmission rate is always likely to raise with the loosening of restrictions in a country that isn't fully vaccinated.
What you need to focus your attention on are the hospitals admissions and deaths.
Which are currently extremely low."
Thankfully but something like 90% of all current case's
Are the new Delta variant, which is concerning.
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over a year ago
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If these figures are true then they need context.
When were the people vaccinated? Body needs time to build up immune response. Did any of those people have other conditions? What ages were they? |
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I thought everyone knew the vaccine wasn't a magic bullet, but that it will lessen the effects of Covid if you catch it.
I thought everyone knew that you weren't immediately protected the second after you were fully vaccinated.
I thought everyone knew the vaccine was developed to protect against Covid 19, not it's variants.
I thought people knew so much. I fear they know so little.
E
Sadly not, evidence being all the people posting status updates stating
" Had both vaccines now safe to play"
Interesting to hear yesterday the R number is way up over 1 again !!
The transmission rate is always likely to raise with the loosening of restrictions in a country that isn't fully vaccinated.
What you need to focus your attention on are the hospitals admissions and deaths.
Which are currently extremely low.
Thankfully but something like 90% of all current case's
Are the new Delta variant, which is concerning.
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Mutations are normal. The fact the delta variant accounts for 90% in my opinion is a good thing. It means other variants aren't in circulation.
The press love to twist things. We’ve had the Brazilian, South African, Kent and now the delta variant.
It's hospital admissions and deaths of covid that should worry us. Thankfully they remain low. |
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die."
So basically, by having both jabs you are much less likely to die... this shows they are effective and why it's important to be vaccinated.
No vaccination is 100% effective and the delta variant is much more transmissible. I would urge everyone who wants the vaccination, to get double jabbed as soon as they can.
I have my second jab next weekend, as I was able to book an alternative earlier appointment. |
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Please bare in mind that Britain has an annual mortality rate of around 1% in normal times (excluding Covid). As such, with over 40m people now vaccinated, it is sadly still the case that 400,000 of those 40m will die. Having the Covid vaccine hugely reduces your chances of dying from Covid, but it does not stop people dying from ‘normal’ causes of death. |
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"If these figures are true then they need context.
When were the people vaccinated? Body needs time to build up immune response. Did any of those people have other conditions? What ages were they?"
Agreed, there's a lot of details missing maybe by design or lack of information so jump to conclusions to suit..
Some still have no idea that two thirds of all annual deaths are the 'elderly', people in the latter stages of life many of whom will have vulnerability due to illness etc..
Perhaps some do know but there's certainly some intent on distortion and misinformation as has been the case throughout this epidemic.. |
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You would really need to drill down into the stats for a fairer viewpoint.
To be fair to you, nobody has ever said any vaccine has a efficacy of 100%.
Sadly there will be people double jabbed who COULD succumb but I would suggest most would have co morbidity.
It's come to a point stating how many folks are infected and how many of them die is not the information you need to make any real conclusions.
Hopefully, in the next few weeks it will become clearer.
Stay safe. |
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The news report on fridays news was from the office for national statistics
All i was saying is pleas be carefull look on fab at adds folks think they are protected having had two jabs and the 12 dead show that they are not
Jab or no jad try to be cautious when meeting others |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"People on here will defend these vaccines even if it had been 20 people fully vaccinated who had died.
The fact is those numbers are shocking. 12 fully vaccinated dead out of 40, 25%, given the huge number of adverse effects and deaths related to these vaccine
(More deaths in the last year than the last 15 years of all other vaccine deaths put together) I'd say it's clear this vaccination program should be halted.
Also given how the Fauci prove that the man leading the vaccination program and pushing "the science" behind Corona, knew full well there were other extremely effective treatments but suppressed them.
I wonder how many pro vaxxers here even know about the FOAI request that has expose thousands of documents proving exactly what many of of crazy tin foil hat wearers have been saying for 6 months?
"The fact is those numbers are shocking. 12 fully vaccinated"
The Op doesn't make that claim, he states 12 had first or second jabs. For a full picture you would also need to know date of jabs, always been known efficacy is not form day 1 of the jab"
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-variant-latest-case-numbers-20791693
"Of these, 23 were unvaccinated, seven were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine and 12 were more than 14 days after their second dose." |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"The news report on fridays news was from the office for national statistics
All i was saying is pleas be carefull look on fab at adds folks think they are protected having had two jabs and the 12 dead show that they are not
Jab or no jad try to be cautious when meeting others"
They have never said we are fully covered to be fair. I don't see anything wrong in reporting what looks like is true, which is that some people have died even with two doses. It highlights we all still have to be careful |
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You cannot force a virus to mutate through medical treatment. It is not a sentient being, or even alive, it is simply a bunch of protein molecules stuck together. Virus mutations happen by chance during replication. Somtimes these mutations give the virus a survival advantage, sometimes they have the opposite effect and cause the virus weaken.
The more copies of a virus there are in circulation, the higher the risk of an unfavourable mutation happening.
As this virus is new to humans we don't have any innate immunity to it so the virus has plenty of time to replicate before our immune system is able to put together a solution to eliminate all the virus copies. Remember, more virus copies = more chance of a mutation.
Vaccination doesn't create a forcefield around you to stop the virus getting in it just pre-warns your immune system what this foreign protein looks like, to reduce the length of time between initial infection and your body producing a viable solution to remove the virus copies. In fact, the virus needs to replicate in your cells in order for your immune system to see the threat and begin to mount a response. The faster the response the fewer virus copies are made. Remember fewer virus copies = lower risk of mutation.
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I can't believe people are seeing this as breaking news.
No-one ever said that the vaccine will make you immune FFS just reduce the symptoms should you get it.
And this new Delta variant is a new beast entirely.
I have the flu jab every year,but I fully understand that whilst I am being vaccinated against the known and most common strand's 4 last year I think, I am still at risk of catching another strain of flu.
Honestly people really need to grow up and stop acting like the cool kids at the back of the bus trying to put up the middle finger against authority.
Forget the Hollywood movies where a miracle cure is found and everyone is fine overnight or a vaccine mutates us all into flesh eating zombies.
For the closed minded out there.
It will take many years to get it under control if ever.
Yearly booster given to the vulnerable with vaccination against new strains added, just like the flu jab.
It's not a cure all it's designed to hopefully control it.
But here's the thing the greater the amount of people who don't get vaccinated the longer it's going to be around and the greater the chance of developing variants.
So to all the anti vaxxers,it's your choice but don't be the first one's to start bitching if restrictions are reintroduced.
You have made a choice so deal with the consequences.
Utter nonsense. Please refer to my two previous replies to this post. Absolutely zero evidence of what you say.
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Apart from all the actual evidence you mean.
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I can't believe people are seeing this as breaking news.
No-one ever said that the vaccine will make you immune FFS just reduce the symptoms should you get it.
And this new Delta variant is a new beast entirely.
I have the flu jab every year,but I fully understand that whilst I am being vaccinated against the known and most common strand's 4 last year I think, I am still at risk of catching another strain of flu.
Honestly people really need to grow up and stop acting like the cool kids at the back of the bus trying to put up the middle finger against authority.
Forget the Hollywood movies where a miracle cure is found and everyone is fine overnight or a vaccine mutates us all into flesh eating zombies.
For the closed minded out there.
It will take many years to get it under control if ever.
Yearly booster given to the vulnerable with vaccination against new strains added, just like the flu jab.
It's not a cure all it's designed to hopefully control it.
But here's the thing the greater the amount of people who don't get vaccinated the longer it's going to be around and the greater the chance of developing variants.
So to all the anti vaxxers,it's your choice but don't be the first one's to start bitching if restrictions are reintroduced.
You have made a choice so deal with the consequences.
Utter nonsense. Please refer to my two previous replies to this post. Absolutely zero evidence of what you say.
Apart from all the actual evidence you mean.
E"
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over a year ago
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I can't believe people are seeing this as breaking news.
No-one ever said that the vaccine will make you immune FFS just reduce the symptoms should you get it.
And this new Delta variant is a new beast entirely.
I have the flu jab every year,but I fully understand that whilst I am being vaccinated against the known and most common strand's 4 last year I think, I am still at risk of catching another strain of flu.
Honestly people really need to grow up and stop acting like the cool kids at the back of the bus trying to put up the middle finger against authority.
Forget the Hollywood movies where a miracle cure is found and everyone is fine overnight or a vaccine mutates us all into flesh eating zombies.
For the closed minded out there.
It will take many years to get it under control if ever.
Yearly booster given to the vulnerable with vaccination against new strains added, just like the flu jab.
It's not a cure all it's designed to hopefully control it.
But here's the thing the greater the amount of people who don't get vaccinated the longer it's going to be around and the greater the chance of developing variants.
So to all the anti vaxxers,it's your choice but don't be the first one's to start bitching if restrictions are reintroduced.
You have made a choice so deal with the consequences.
Utter nonsense. Please refer to my two previous replies to this post. Absolutely zero evidence of what you say.
Apart from all the actual evidence you mean.
E ah but the problem is our actual evidence came from actual science and actual scientists not from bobs mate on facebook who found a vid on you tube "
Its like hundreds of years of research, of successful vaccinations, virtual eradication of literally dozens of fatal and debilitating health problems never happened.
Pasteur and Jenner must be turning in their graves.
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"If these figures are true then they need context.
When were the people vaccinated? Body needs time to build up immune response. Did any of those people have other conditions? What ages were they?"
People who questioned Covid death figures were criticised for asking those last two questions. |
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I can't believe people are seeing this as breaking news.
No-one ever said that the vaccine will make you immune FFS just reduce the symptoms should you get it.
And this new Delta variant is a new beast entirely.
I have the flu jab every year,but I fully understand that whilst I am being vaccinated against the known and most common strand's 4 last year I think, I am still at risk of catching another strain of flu.
Honestly people really need to grow up and stop acting like the cool kids at the back of the bus trying to put up the middle finger against authority.
Forget the Hollywood movies where a miracle cure is found and everyone is fine overnight or a vaccine mutates us all into flesh eating zombies.
For the closed minded out there.
It will take many years to get it under control if ever.
Yearly booster given to the vulnerable with vaccination against new strains added, just like the flu jab.
It's not a cure all it's designed to hopefully control it.
But here's the thing the greater the amount of people who don't get vaccinated the longer it's going to be around and the greater the chance of developing variants.
So to all the anti vaxxers,it's your choice but don't be the first one's to start bitching if restrictions are reintroduced.
You have made a choice so deal with the consequences.
Utter nonsense. Please refer to my two previous replies to this post. Absolutely zero evidence of what you say.
Apart from all the actual evidence you mean.
E ah but the problem is our actual evidence came from actual science and actual scientists not from bobs mate on facebook who found a vid on you tube
Its like hundreds of years of research, of successful vaccinations, virtual eradication of literally dozens of fatal and debilitating health problems never happened.
Pasteur and Jenner must be turning in their graves.
E"
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over a year ago
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
I can't believe people are seeing this as breaking news.
No-one ever said that the vaccine will make you immune FFS just reduce the symptoms should you get it.
And this new Delta variant is a new beast entirely.
I have the flu jab every year,but I fully understand that whilst I am being vaccinated against the known and most common strand's 4 last year I think, I am still at risk of catching another strain of flu.
Honestly people really need to grow up and stop acting like the cool kids at the back of the bus trying to put up the middle finger against authority.
Forget the Hollywood movies where a miracle cure is found and everyone is fine overnight or a vaccine mutates us all into flesh eating zombies.
For the closed minded out there.
It will take many years to get it under control if ever.
Yearly booster given to the vulnerable with vaccination against new strains added, just like the flu jab.
It's not a cure all it's designed to hopefully control it.
But here's the thing the greater the amount of people who don't get vaccinated the longer it's going to be around and the greater the chance of developing variants.
So to all the anti vaxxers,it's your choice but don't be the first one's to start bitching if restrictions are reintroduced.
You have made a choice so deal with the consequences.
Utter nonsense. Please refer to my two previous replies to this post. Absolutely zero evidence of what you say.
Apart from all the actual evidence you mean.
E ah but the problem is our actual evidence came from actual science and actual scientists not from bobs mate on facebook who found a vid on you tube
Its like hundreds of years of research, of successful vaccinations, virtual eradication of literally dozens of fatal and debilitating health problems never happened.
Pasteur and Jenner must be turning in their graves.
E
I know right who would have thought it, all we needed was a YouTube video "
Not Pasteur or Jenner that's for sure. 
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By *ob rodMan
over a year ago
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I’m not particularly worried about dying from covid but for me the vaccine is more about reducing transmission
I’ll probably be ok but the person I last it on to might not be that lucky
Depends what type of person u are
I’m alright jack fuck everyone else
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over a year ago
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"If these figures are true then they need context.
When were the people vaccinated? Body needs time to build up immune response. Did any of those people have other conditions? What ages were they?
People who questioned Covid death figures were criticised for asking those last two questions."
Indeed! We should always ask these questions. Context matters. It doesn’t for one moment make any death less tragic or sad. It doesn’t create any form of justification. But it is important to know what is happening. |
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it?
99.98% survival rate in my age bracket. And that's only if I catch it.
Yeah I'll take my chances with Rona over the vaccine any day"
Doesn't mean you won't be seriously ill or left with a life changing disability. Just because they survive it doesn't mean they are well. |
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
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I agree, but we're made out to be bad people because we don't want to have the vaccine. Whatever happened to freedom of speech and choice?!  |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it?
99.98% survival rate in my age bracket. And that's only if I catch it.
Yeah I'll take my chances with Rona over the vaccine any day
Doesn't mean you won't be seriously ill or left with a life changing disability. Just because they survive it doesn't mean they are well. "
Do we have stats yet on long-covid? We do need to have these alongside:
- Cases
- Hospitalisation
- Deaths
- Full/healthy recovery
- Long Covid (ie not a full recovery)
To enable a better understanding on proportionality. |
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"My ex worked in a bank. Was sent home start of Match 2020 as she was deemed at high risk. Called back into work second week of October 2020. Two staff caught the virus believed from the cleaner who admitted having it but couldn’t afford not to be work due to financial reasons. Ex died 07/11/21. The other staff member survived. "
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It will mutate regardless. Vaccines dying stop mutations. The vaccine only reduces your symptoms.
A virus relies on new transmissions to mutate. If you can stop the transmissions, there will be no new mutations.
Cal
But the vaccine doesn't stop transmission and death.
Which means the virus has far more chance of mutating into a completely vaccine resistant strain.
This is wha happens when treatments fail.
There is zero science to what you say.
Virus are living things that want to survive. This means mutations into less deadly variants is what insures their survival.
This is what virus have always done in all the history of studying virus.
Throw in modern medicine and it changes.
Antibiotics for instance, now the virus is forced to mutate into a antibiotic resistant strain to survive, this is why MRSA became such a problem.
If a deadly variant appears it will be because of treatment failure in vaccinated people.
Please anyone show me any science to prove me wrong"
Why are antibiotics and viruses being quoted in the same post, I really didn't think that kind of ignorance still existed.
Antibiotics kill bacteria, they have absolutely no impact on viruses and never have.
There's the science you asked for to prove you wrong |
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"People die every day hiding away hasn’t changed that"
Yes people die every day, from a large number of things, so far as "hiding away" goes the sensible measures such as social distancing and mask wearing and increased hand washing have made a difference as the number of people dying every day from covid has dropped quite considerably and the data shows this as at the night of the pandemic covid alone was killing more than the entire population of the village I live in daily so in a week that is 7 whole villages of over a 1000 people wiped from exisitance |
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It will mutate regardless. Vaccines dying stop mutations. The vaccine only reduces your symptoms.
A virus relies on new transmissions to mutate. If you can stop the transmissions, there will be no new mutations.
Cal
But the vaccine doesn't stop transmission and death.
Which means the virus has far more chance of mutating into a completely vaccine resistant strain.
This is wha happens when treatments fail.
There is zero science to what you say.
Virus are living things that want to survive. This means mutations into less deadly variants is what insures their survival.
This is what virus have always done in all the history of studying virus.
Throw in modern medicine and it changes.
Antibiotics for instance, now the virus is forced to mutate into a antibiotic resistant strain to survive, this is why MRSA became such a problem.
If a deadly variant appears it will be because of treatment failure in vaccinated people.
Please anyone show me any science to prove me wrong
Why are antibiotics and viruses being quoted in the same post, I really didn't think that kind of ignorance still existed.
Antibiotics kill bacteria, they have absolutely no impact on viruses and never have.
There's the science you asked for to prove you wrong"
Oh it still definatly exists, sadly I think what is nearing an extinction level event is common sense sadly |
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"To re iterate its now proven that eaven with two jabs you can still die so tell youre friends two jabs isent imunity
There are 12 dead people who thought they were safe and imune"
To reiterate what may have already said it is common knowledge that the vaccine doesn't make you immune from the virus this has NEVER been said, also what do morbidities did those 12 people have? Age? Pre-existing long term illnesses? |
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"The news report on fridays news was from the office for national statistics
All i was saying is pleas be carefull look on fab at adds folks think they are protected having had two jabs and the 12 dead show that they are not
Jab or no jad try to be cautious when meeting others
They have never said we are fully covered to be fair. I don't see anything wrong in reporting what looks like is true, which is that some people have died even with two doses. It highlights we all still have to be careful"
It's a very polarised argument now.. I don't think the vaccine and vaccine program is anywhere near as effective as some people are making out. I'm extremely concerned about the exponential growth in infections which are always followed 4 weeks later by admissions and then by deaths. It's summer and everyone is outside.... Imagine if this were winter? Yes people are fed up of it... But being fed up doesn't miracle it away... We need to be careful or we are going to be in a really shitty place come 3 months time. |
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"My ex worked in a bank. Was sent home start of Match 2020 as she was deemed at high risk. Called back into work second week of October 2020. Two staff caught the virus believed from the cleaner who admitted having it but couldn’t afford not to be work due to financial reasons. Ex died 07/11/21. The other staff member survived. "
Bloody hell I assume the cleaner is aware that her choice to knowingly go into work covid positive has directly infected and killed one of her colleagues?
What had she done / said since?
Had the employer took any action against the cleaner?
Sadly I can't imagine there's a criminal case to answer but given the fact its such a direct infection link (which science could potentially confirm), a concious breach of the 14 days isolation process (which was I believe had become law by Sept / Oct last year) could there be the potential to bring a civil case against the cleaner?
Maybe even against the employer? (if the employer knew that the cleaner had tested positive and they let her into the work environment?
Sorry for your loss and especially for your children loosing a parent so young.
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"To re iterate its now proven that eaven with two jabs you can still die so tell youre friends two jabs isent imunity
There are 12 dead people who thought they were safe and imune"
When you are told the vaccines are 90% effective it should be obvious that not everyone will survive. What will happen in the future as the number of fully vaccinated people increases is that the percentage of people who die from covid after being fully vaccinated will increase but the actual number of deaths will be massively lower than if nobody had been vaccinated. |
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"People die every day hiding away hasn’t changed that
Yes people die every day, from a large number of things, so far as "hiding away" goes the sensible measures such as social distancing and mask wearing and increased hand washing have made a difference as the number of people dying every day from covid has dropped quite considerably and the data shows this as at the night of the pandemic covid alone was killing more than the entire population of the village I live in daily so in a week that is 7 whole villages of over a 1000 people wiped from exisitance "
Yes being sensible and washing hands and making a few behavioural changes isn't as melodramatic as using words like sheep and hiding behind your sofa and wake up.... There's not downside to being a bit more careful. |
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"People die every day hiding away hasn’t changed that
Yes people die every day, from a large number of things, so far as "hiding away" goes the sensible measures such as social distancing and mask wearing and increased hand washing have made a difference as the number of people dying every day from covid has dropped quite considerably and the data shows this as at the night of the pandemic covid alone was killing more than the entire population of the village I live in daily so in a week that is 7 whole villages of over a 1000 people wiped from exisitance
Yes being sensible and washing hands and making a few behavioural changes isn't as melodramatic as using words like sheep and hiding behind your sofa and wake up.... There's not downside to being a bit more careful. "
But it's not exciting and doesn't make people feel superior for finding people who agree with their preconceived notions |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die."
And how do you know they would not have died anyway? People pop their cloggs all the time for a variety of reasons |
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"People die every day hiding away hasn’t changed that
Yes people die every day, from a large number of things, so far as "hiding away" goes the sensible measures such as social distancing and mask wearing and increased hand washing have made a difference as the number of people dying every day from covid has dropped quite considerably and the data shows this as at the night of the pandemic covid alone was killing more than the entire population of the village I live in daily so in a week that is 7 whole villages of over a 1000 people wiped from exisitance
Yes being sensible and washing hands and making a few behavioural changes isn't as melodramatic as using words like sheep and hiding behind your sofa and wake up.... There's not downside to being a bit more careful. "
One of the most shocking things in this is that people had to be TOLD to wash their hands properly, I have been doing that since I was in bloody nappies I thought everyone did |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Let's hope this eases the housing crisis"
That’s a seriously insensitive statement. Regardless of whether people are pro or anti vax, there are some in these forums who have lost loved ones. |
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"People die every day hiding away hasn’t changed that
Yes people die every day, from a large number of things, so far as "hiding away" goes the sensible measures such as social distancing and mask wearing and increased hand washing have made a difference as the number of people dying every day from covid has dropped quite considerably and the data shows this as at the night of the pandemic covid alone was killing more than the entire population of the village I live in daily so in a week that is 7 whole villages of over a 1000 people wiped from exisitance
Yes being sensible and washing hands and making a few behavioural changes isn't as melodramatic as using words like sheep and hiding behind your sofa and wake up.... There's not downside to being a bit more careful.
One of the most shocking things in this is that people had to be TOLD to wash their hands properly, I have been doing that since I was in bloody nappies I thought everyone did "
Indeed. I think a lot of the things that Contributed to the spread were things that our parents and grandparents would have been horrified by.. Things the old ward matron would not. have tolerated. |
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It will mutate regardless. Vaccines dying stop mutations. The vaccine only reduces your symptoms.
A virus relies on new transmissions to mutate. If you can stop the transmissions, there will be no new mutations.
Cal
But the vaccine doesn't stop transmission and death.
Which means the virus has far more chance of mutating into a completely vaccine resistant strain.
This is wha happens when treatments fail.
There is zero science to what you say.
Virus are living things that want to survive. This means mutations into less deadly variants is what insures their survival.
This is what virus have always done in all the history of studying virus.
Throw in modern medicine and it changes.
Antibiotics for instance, now the virus is forced to mutate into a antibiotic resistant strain to survive, this is why MRSA became such a problem.
If a deadly variant appears it will be because of treatment failure in vaccinated people.
Please anyone show me any science to prove me wrong"
Actually, the vaccines HAVE been shown to considerably reduce transmission and Deaths.
As for there being "zero science" in what I say...  that just suggests a lack of understanding. The way that viruses mutate, is through inaccurate cell division. These mistakes in the new cells are referred to as mutations. If a person is infected and new mutation occurs with the virus in their body, then their own immune system "deals with" the virus... then nobody else will get that mutation. If that person however meets with their mates and pass their mutated virus onto 6 friends, who in turn pass it onto 6 more each... then this "new variant" is out their and spreading. It is really quite simple.
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"My ex worked in a bank. Was sent home start of Match 2020 as she was deemed at high risk. Called back into work second week of October 2020. Two staff caught the virus believed from the cleaner who admitted having it but couldn’t afford not to be work due to financial reasons. Ex died 07/11/21. The other staff member survived.
Bloody hell I assume the cleaner is aware that her choice to knowingly go into work covid positive has directly infected and killed one of her colleagues?
What had she done / said since?
Had the employer took any action against the cleaner?
Sadly I can't imagine there's a criminal case to answer but given the fact its such a direct infection link (which science could potentially confirm), a concious breach of the 14 days isolation process (which was I believe had become law by Sept / Oct last year) could there be the potential to bring a civil case against the cleaner?
Maybe even against the employer? (if the employer knew that the cleaner had tested positive and they let her into the work environment?
Sorry for your loss and especially for your children loosing a parent so young.
KJ"
What this does highlight is the bloody awful system we have where some people are forced to work even when they know they are sick and might be a danger to others, because they do not get proper paid sick leave. Rather than blame the cleaner who might well have had to make a choice between working while sick or not being able to feed their children, blame the government for not making adequate provision to prevent people having to make this choice.
Yes there were some good schemes set up to help some people through the crisis, but many of those already with the least were allowed to slip through the cracks.
Zero hours contracts workers, people not allowed paid sick leave, people told to isolate but given no sick pay, people told that they would lose their jobs if they did not work, people who even in normal times often have to make a choice between putting a heater on in the winter or eating.
Yes it is awful that people contracted covid from this cleaner, but M & B's original post does say that the cleaner was forced to continue working for economic reasons.
So please instead of saying that criminal action should be taken against the cleaner, how about saying that criminal action should be taken against those overseeing the system that forces this type of situation.
M & B, my heart goes out to you and your children, and to all who have lost loved ones through this crisis. |
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die.
And how do you know they would not have died anyway? People pop their cloggs all the time for a variety of reasons "
Do you not believe that everyone should be entitled to their entire life? Everyone is going to die eventually... but that doesn't mean that we should all just do it now.
Personally I intend to fight for every last second I can.
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"My ex worked in a bank. Was sent home start of Match 2020 as she was deemed at high risk. Called back into work second week of October 2020. Two staff caught the virus believed from the cleaner who admitted having it but couldn’t afford not to be work due to financial reasons. Ex died 07/11/21. The other staff member survived.
Bloody hell I assume the cleaner is aware that her choice to knowingly go into work covid positive has directly infected and killed one of her colleagues?
What had she done / said since?
Had the employer took any action against the cleaner?
Sadly I can't imagine there's a criminal case to answer but given the fact its such a direct infection link (which science could potentially confirm), a concious breach of the 14 days isolation process (which was I believe had become law by Sept / Oct last year) could there be the potential to bring a civil case against the cleaner?
Maybe even against the employer? (if the employer knew that the cleaner had tested positive and they let her into the work environment?
Sorry for your loss and especially for your children loosing a parent so young.
KJ
What this does highlight is the bloody awful system we have where some people are forced to work even when they know they are sick and might be a danger to others, because they do not get proper paid sick leave. Rather than blame the cleaner who might well have had to make a choice between working while sick or not being able to feed their children, blame the government for not making adequate provision to prevent people having to make this choice.
Yes there were some good schemes set up to help some people through the crisis, but many of those already with the least were allowed to slip through the cracks.
Zero hours contracts workers, people not allowed paid sick leave, people told to isolate but given no sick pay, people told that they would lose their jobs if they did not work, people who even in normal times often have to make a choice between putting a heater on in the winter or eating.
Yes it is awful that people contracted covid from this cleaner, but M & B's original post does say that the cleaner was forced to continue working for economic reasons.
So please instead of saying that criminal action should be taken against the cleaner, how about saying that criminal action should be taken against those overseeing the system that forces this type of situation.
M & B, my heart goes out to you and your children, and to all who have lost loved ones through this crisis."
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"Let's hope this eases the housing crisis"
That is probably the most bloody awful remark I have read since the crisis started. I sincerely hope that it was some kind of totally failed attempt at humour, as if this does represent your true feelings towards the millions that have died across the world, I can only say that it is a vile attitude. |
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"Please bare in mind that Britain has an annual mortality rate of around 1% in normal times (excluding Covid). As such, with over 40m people now vaccinated, it is sadly still the case that 400,000 of those 40m will die. Having the Covid vaccine hugely reduces your chances of dying from Covid, but it does not stop people dying from ‘normal’ causes of death."
125,000 plus have died from not having the vaccine… |
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"Given the choi I'd rather have the rona than the vaccine.
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
My ex wife died of the virus in November aged 52, after 17 days in ICU leaving my son aged 19 and daughter aged 16. Would you take the chance of surviving the virus if you got it?
99.98% survival rate in my age bracket. And that's only if I catch it.
Yeah I'll take my chances with Rona over the vaccine any day
Doesn't mean you won't be seriously ill or left with a life changing disability. Just because they survive it doesn't mean they are well.
Do we have stats yet on long-covid? We do need to have these alongside:
- Cases
- Hospitalisation
- Deaths
- Full/healthy recovery
- Long Covid (ie not a full recovery)
To enable a better understanding on proportionality."
Long covid services are only just opening up across the country so it will be a while before we have any sort of numbers.
I work in general practice and am seeing patients daily who have been left with problems of varying severity due to covid.
Some are minor issues but others have had to make massive changes to their lives.
It is not a simple case of survival and I wish all those saying that it is a 99% survivable virus would realise this. |
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"On fridays news it was anounced by the bbc that 42 have died of indian covid in the uk and of the 42 .12 had first and second jabs but still died.
The jabs dont make you imune
The jabs wont stop you from death as the 12 have prooved so be cautious two jabs and you can still die."
why is this a surprise to you? have you not done any research of your own before agreeing to take the jab?
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"My ex worked in a bank. Was sent home start of Match 2020 as she was deemed at high risk. Called back into work second week of October 2020. Two staff caught the virus believed from the cleaner who admitted having it but couldn’t afford not to be work due to financial reasons. Ex died 07/11/21. The other staff member survived. "
She died in the future? |
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"Let's hope this eases the housing crisis"
takes balls to come out with a mistake like that my friend !and if it wasn't a mistake? then you are going to have people wanting to relieve you of them no doubt ! |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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"My ex worked in a bank. Was sent home start of Match 2020 as she was deemed at high risk. Called back into work second week of October 2020. Two staff caught the virus believed from the cleaner who admitted having it but couldn’t afford not to be work due to financial reasons. Ex died 07/11/21. The other staff member survived.
She died in the future?"
Today's date is 13/06/2021 aka 11 June 2021 |
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