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"To start off with saying Tony Blair the great man says all I need to know about this post. Oh dear me " Read it...ever heard of irony? | |||
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"… yes Quite worrying when you consider this : https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/eu-set-unveil-plans-bloc-wide-digital-wallet-ft-2021-06-01/ This has less and less to do with vaccinations and health and more to do with control." Politicians had been in talks about Vaccine passports as far back as 2018, The European Commission published a proposal for vaccine passports on 26 April 2018. The document was called Strengthened Cooperation against Vaccine Preventable Diseases. Easily found online. | |||
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"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ? " The irony alert has just gone off. | |||
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"Why Tony Blair still Breathing, oxygen thieving cunt . " Hmm ... | |||
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"To start off with saying Tony Blair the great man says all I need to know about this post. Oh dear me Read it...ever heard of irony? " Lol | |||
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"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets... the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction. The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair. Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad. Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds. If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair. He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory. I can't stand the bloke but .. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change. " That man is evil, he should be in prison. Whatever he says, the opposite is true. | |||
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"Why Tony Blair still Breathing, oxygen thieving cunt . " Ditto  | |||
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"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets... the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction. The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair. Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad. Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds. If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair. He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory. I can't stand the bloke but .. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change. That man is evil, he should be in prison. Whatever he says, the opposite is true. " I agree absolutely, should of been hung for war crimes  | |||
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"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets... the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction. The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair. Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad. Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds. If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair. He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory. I can't stand the bloke but .. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change. That man is evil, he should be in prison. Whatever he says, the opposite is true. I agree absolutely, should of been hung for war crimes "You realise we dont have the death penalty in this country anymore? | |||
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"Why Tony Blair still Breathing, oxygen thieving cunt . " Understand your feelings about the man. Where would you rank the PM and his cronies, just purely out of interest ? | |||
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"Lot of love for mr blair around Presumably any politician responsible for the deaths of people should be called to be hanged?" My point exactly. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus." When there's any credible evidence for the assertion | |||
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"Lot of love for mr blair around Presumably any politician responsible for the deaths of people should be called to be hanged? My point exactly. "Just waiting for an.answer..this should be good | |||
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"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ? " Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10 | |||
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"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ? Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10" I think irony is a foreign concept on here. | |||
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"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ? Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10 I think irony is a foreign concept on here." How dare you mention foreigners  | |||
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"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ? Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10 I think irony is a foreign concept on here. How dare you mention foreigners " | |||
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"Why Tony Blair still Breathing, oxygen thieving cunt . " Harsh. Tho agree he is a cxxt | |||
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"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ? Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10 I think irony is a foreign concept on here. How dare you mention foreigners "... Leaves thread | |||
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"Going slightly off topic, if you only had the choice of two. Who would you pick? Blair or Johnson?" Not really Blair is practically receiving death threats for having people die on his watch. Does this apply to every politician? It's a very simple question. | |||
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"Hitler once said he was building Summer camps "He did , you ever been to butlins ?? | |||
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"Tony Blair is a total prick ran this country into the ground then fucked off to let other people pick up the pieces , should have been hung for treason after letting all them poor people die in the second Iraq conflict when he was bum licking his old pal George bush , Blair should just shut his mouth and fuck off to the abyss Rant Over lol" I think David Kelly's family would agree with you. | |||
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"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ? Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10 I think irony is a foreign concept on here. How dare you mention foreigners
... Leaves thread"That was just a joke and as such addressed to Lionel - no offense to anybody intended | |||
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"He needs a double tap to the head and the corpse dumped in a ditch" well said couldn’t have said it better | |||
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"He needs a double tap to the head and the corpse dumped in a ditchwell said couldn’t have said it better "You know, I would not, could not actually think or say this about anybody. It is against basic humanity principles in my world, | |||
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"He needs a double tap to the head and the corpse dumped in a ditchwell said couldn’t have said it better
You know, I would not, could not actually think or say this about anybody. It is against basic humanity principles in my world,"Like I said.. they dont do irony in here. | |||
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"He needs a double tap to the head and the corpse dumped in a ditchwell said couldn’t have said it better
You know, I would not, could not actually think or say this about anybody. It is against basic humanity principles in my world,"Agreed is just wrong to say such a thing! X | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus." Spot in there | |||
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"Going slightly off topic, if you only had the choice of two. Who would you pick? Blair or Johnson?" Neither | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. When there's any credible evidence for the assertion" Better 5G signal. Microsoft sales up. People becoming more magnetic. Less people trying to hide their Lizard ancestry. . . What more evidence do you need? | |||
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"It's funny, I once thought that Blair was the most criminal prime minister this country has ever had or would ever have. Now he almost seems honest by comparison with the present incumbent." Blair never needed to be fact checked on a daily basis. | |||
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"It's funny, I once thought that Blair was the most criminal prime minister this country has ever had or would ever have. Now he almost seems honest by comparison with the present incumbent." All the more worrying to think what might be coming … | |||
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"It's funny, I once thought that Blair was the most criminal prime minister this country has ever had or would ever have. Now he almost seems honest by comparison with the present incumbent. All the more worrying to think what might be coming …" Thank you for the link Reuters | |||
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"It's funny, I once thought that Blair was the most criminal prime minister this country has ever had or would ever have. Now he almost seems honest by comparison with the present incumbent. All the more worrying to think what might be coming …" Blair and his right hand man Campbell were the start of this modern media manipulation which has been constantly refined ending up with Johnson and Cummings and whoever is now Cummings replacement. Perhaps it is better that people like Campbell and Cummings who were not elected are now more visible to the electorate. | |||
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"Why Tony Blair still Breathing, oxygen thieving cunt . " If Tony C**t Blair supports vaccine passports then it must be a terrible idea. | |||
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"How many lives have been lost with his WMD claim. Someone must be paying him to say something he dose nothing for nothing he's just a nasty person and should be in jail for war crimes " | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus." It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!! | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!!" Which is done by … controlling the people. | |||
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"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . " Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!! Which is done by … controlling the people." A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect.. We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far.. | |||
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"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work." the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely | |||
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"How many lives have been lost with his WMD claim. Someone must be paying him to say something he dose nothing for nothing he's just a nasty person and should be in jail for war crimes " Completely agree. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!! Which is done by … controlling the people. A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect.. We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far.." I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns. | |||
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"Why would anyone listen to Blair the liar ? Ironic considering that we have the biggest crook and liar ever to sit number 10 I think irony is a foreign concept on here. How dare you mention foreigners
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That was just a joke and as such addressed to Lionel - no offense to anybody intended "I know. I was joking too, sorry | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!! Which is done by … controlling the people." No...which is done by vaccination. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!! Which is done by … controlling the people. A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect.. We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far.. I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns. " Agreed! Think most people are realizing this now! X | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!! Which is done by … controlling the people. A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect.. We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far.. I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns. " That's politicians of whatever hue, ditto those who seek to influence policy. Regardless of the crisis there will be an opportunity to change directions etc.. Same with those who seek to profit.. Blair was right despite being slaughtered for saying the idea to split the doses was a good idea.. He was wrong on many things as they all are in that wonderful thing called hindsight.. In reality it's more nuanced than 'he lied over the war'.. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!! Which is done by … controlling the people. No...which is done by vaccination. " Vaccinating the virus or vaccinating people? | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!! Which is done by … controlling the people. A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect.. We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far.. I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns. That's politicians of whatever hue, ditto those who seek to influence policy. Regardless of the crisis there will be an opportunity to change directions etc.. Same with those who seek to profit.. Blair was right despite being slaughtered for saying the idea to split the doses was a good idea.. He was wrong on many things as they all are in that wonderful thing called hindsight.. In reality it's more nuanced than 'he lied over the war'.." | |||
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"The only news about the warmongering, lying Blair I will ever be interested in is when he stands trial for his war crimes. He still doesn't understand that the majority of us wish he would climb back under his rock and stay there." Shame that isnt going to happen.isnt it? | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus." The “jab” is about money! Lots of money. Some people are and will get very rich off of this. I am not saying the vaccines don’t work, but this is not about altruism and saving lives/the world, it is about money. I would be willing to bet Blair has financial interests in some of these vaccine producers. And before anyone says “ah but that’s capitalism” many of the arguments against other non vaccine medical interventions are supported by statements on how they are about money too. It’s sadly always about money. | |||
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"The only news about the warmongering, lying Blair I will ever be interested in is when he stands trial for his war crimes. He still doesn't understand that the majority of us wish he would climb back under his rock and stay there. Shame that isnt going to happen.isnt it?" His time will come. Karma is a bitch. | |||
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"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets... the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction. The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair. Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad. Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds. If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair. He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory. I can't stand the bloke but .. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change. That man is evil, he should be in prison. Whatever he says, the opposite is true. I agree absolutely, should of been hung for war crimes
You realise we dont have the death penalty in this country anymore?"Law and justice are two different things, increasingly. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. When there's any credible evidence for the assertion" There is evidence in abundance, you just don't accept it. My jury is out - I find it almost impossible to accept as a concept, but the evidence is becoming overwhelming. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. When there's any credible evidence for the assertion There is evidence in abundance, you just don't accept it. My jury is out - I find it almost impossible to accept as a concept, but the evidence is becoming overwhelming. " | |||
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"The only news about the warmongering, lying Blair I will ever be interested in is when he stands trial for his war crimes. He still doesn't understand that the majority of us wish he would climb back under his rock and stay there. Shame that isnt going to happen.isnt it? His time will come. Karma is a bitch." Right. | |||
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"Hitler once said he was building Summer camps "Yes, and segregated a people 'for the good of our country'... | |||
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"He needs a double tap to the head and the corpse dumped in a ditchwell said couldn’t have said it better
You know, I would not, could not actually think or say this about anybody. It is against basic humanity principles in my world," | |||
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"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . " Some brilliant scientists believe it is you who is more likely to pass the resistant variant on to the unvaccinated! | |||
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"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work." | |||
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"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets... the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction. The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair. Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad. Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds. If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair. He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory. I can't stand the bloke but .. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change. " Tony Blair when he was elected as I remember when people's loved ones were in the army wanted them to return home because their wasn't a war going on and he refused this request also I remember that he resigned and did say that it was a wrong decision that he made at that time so what other decisions has he made that were also wrong. | |||
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"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets... the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction. The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair. Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad. Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds. If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair. He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory. I can't stand the bloke but .. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change. " Coming from a known globalist shill and con man this stance is hardly surprising. | |||
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"There has always been debate on which politician / leader is the worse based on how many they killed, the most debated being WW2 and between who killed more, Hitler or Stalin. When it comes to the numbers they have to be viewed irrelevant, its the scope of the crime that should be relevant. Main Blair bashing centres around Iraq and yet Johnson seems to be getting away with responsibility for the deaths of 150,000 (and counting) UK citizens and yet all that seems to concern most is the infringement of a few civil liberties." Sadly very few seem to be able to address that point Apparently tony blair was the only politician to ever take us into a pointless war. | |||
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"There has always been debate on which politician / leader is the worse based on how many they killed, the most debated being WW2 and between who killed more, Hitler or Stalin. When it comes to the numbers they have to be viewed irrelevant, its the scope of the crime that should be relevant. Main Blair bashing centres around Iraq and yet Johnson seems to be getting away with responsibility for the deaths of 150,000 (and counting) UK citizens and yet all that seems to concern most is the infringement of a few civil liberties." Quite
Plus, I can think Blair has a terrible record and that he has a point.
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"Whats that phrase about truth being the 1st casualty in war?" It seems to be much more about feelings, outrage, and loyalty to cranks these days. It's bloody ridiculous. The data is in. Sorry, not sorry. | |||
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"There has always been debate on which politician / leader is the worse based on how many they killed, the most debated being WW2 and between who killed more, Hitler or Stalin. When it comes to the numbers they have to be viewed irrelevant, its the scope of the crime that should be relevant. Main Blair bashing centres around Iraq and yet Johnson seems to be getting away with responsibility for the deaths of 150,000 (and counting) UK citizens and yet all that seems to concern most is the infringement of a few civil liberties. Quite
Plus, I can think Blair has a terrible record and that he has a point.
Imagine separating the argument from the personality. Goodness "I haven't read the 90 messages in the middle... But that was pretty much the purpose of the post... That good ideas can come from any quarter and aren't owned by only one side of the argument or political spectrum. I think ex leaders often have wisdom that they should have shown whilst in power. | |||
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"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets... the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction. The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair. Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad. Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds. If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair. He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory. I can't stand the bloke but .. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change. " hes a bigger dick head than i thought then all be prisoners if he got his way | |||
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"There has always been debate on which politician / leader is the worse based on how many they killed, the most debated being WW2 and between who killed more, Hitler or Stalin. When it comes to the numbers they have to be viewed irrelevant, its the scope of the crime that should be relevant. Main Blair bashing centres around Iraq and yet Johnson seems to be getting away with responsibility for the deaths of 150,000 (and counting) UK citizens and yet all that seems to concern most is the infringement of a few civil liberties. Quite
Plus, I can think Blair has a terrible record and that he has a point.
Imagine separating the argument from the personality. Goodness
I haven't read the 90 messages in the middle... But that was pretty much the purpose of the post... That good ideas can come from any quarter and aren't owned by only one side of the argument or political spectrum.
I think ex leaders often have wisdom that they should have shown whilst in power. "Oh agreed. I'll hold my nose and agree with him. If he's right he's right. | |||
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"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work. the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely " Still doesn't give you the right to insist anyone else is injected against their will. If you need other people injected against their will to feel safe then maybe you need an indoor job away from any potential danger or people. | |||
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"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work. the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely Still doesn't give you the right to insist anyone else is injected against their will. If you need other people injected against their will to feel safe then maybe you need an indoor job away from any potential danger or people." Not arguing anyone should be injected. Those who aren't can stay at home, is the argument | |||
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"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work. the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely Still doesn't give you the right to insist anyone else is injected against their will. If you need other people injected against their will to feel safe then maybe you need an indoor job away from any potential danger or people. Not arguing anyone should be injected. Those who aren't can stay at home, is the argument" Tony Blair said so | |||
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"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work. the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely Still doesn't give you the right to insist anyone else is injected against their will. If you need other people injected against their will to feel safe then maybe you need an indoor job away from any potential danger or people. Not arguing anyone should be injected. Those who aren't can stay at home, is the argument Tony Blair said so" So you're saying house arrest for anyone not injected? Can you hear yourself? | |||
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" Not arguing anyone should be injected. Those who aren't can stay at home, is the argument" It’s the same argument where i did not vote Conservative or ever have and yet i do accept to live under a Tory local Council and a Tory National Government because they have been democratically elected. Same goes for the vaccine. Democratically elected Governments are giving you the choice to have or have not. If you choose not then there is the penalty paid. | |||
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"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work. the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely Still doesn't give you the right to insist anyone else is injected against their will. If you need other people injected against their will to feel safe then maybe you need an indoor job away from any potential danger or people. Not arguing anyone should be injected. Those who aren't can stay at home, is the argument Tony Blair said so So you're saying house arrest for anyone not injected? Can you hear yourself?" I'm clarifying the argument, not making it. | |||
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"And you’d rather have Boris Johnson. You’re right, Tony Blair’s government only brought peace to Northern Ireland, introduced the national minimum wage, raised police numbers by 14,000, cut crime by 32%, doubled school funding, introduced 85,000 new nurses and 32,000 doctors, introduced gift aid, increased child benefit by nearly 30%, introduced the winter fuel payment, lifted 1 million pensioners and 600,000 children out of poverty, introduced 32,000 teachers and nearly 250,000 school support staff, cut long term youth unemployment by 70%… I could go on. What have any of the Tory showers of shit done since? Yes, the Iraq war was a calamity but how quickly people forget when they were well off. Read history. " Those who study history are doomed to repeatedly facepalm | |||
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"I hope all you vaxxed are starting to realise the REAL reason behind the jabs, when war criminal scum like blair start getting involved with all this its time to worry about the real agenda." I do realise the REAL reason for vaccination. Herd immunity, self protection, and protection of the vulnerable  | |||
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"I hope all you vaxxed are starting to realise the REAL reason behind the jabs, when war criminal scum like blair start getting involved with all this its time to worry about the real agenda." What do you think the real reason for the jabs is and why? | |||
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"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets... the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction. The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair. Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad. Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds. If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair. He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory. I can't stand the bloke but .. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change. " Bout time someone saw sense covid passports all the way | |||
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"I do realise the REAL reason for vaccination. Herd immunity, self protection, and protection of the vulnerable
You obviously dont understand then."I have no idea what reason might be behind vaccinations to deal with a worldwide pandemic... other than this. Hence the question. | |||
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"I do realise the REAL reason for vaccination. Herd immunity, self protection, and protection of the vulnerable
You obviously dont understand then."I mean, medicine for medical purposes seems logical. What else could it be? Surely no one believes the lizard people Bill Gates microchips agenda anymore, do they? World domination, genocide? It was funny for awhile, but it's not even remotely plausible, no one sensible would believe anything like it. | |||
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"I hope all you vaxxed are starting to realise the REAL reason behind the jabs, when war criminal scum like blair start getting involved with all this its time to worry about the real agenda. What do you think the real reason for the jabs is and why?" Total control of the worlds people and depopulation. Its all out there, not from conspiracy sites but from the mouths of the world leaders themselves. Fauchi created a virus for his mate bill gates to create the antivirus. Trillions to be made for the elite out of all this and its worked better than even they could have envisaged xxx | |||
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"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work. the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely " Totally agree its the unvaccinated that are at higher risk of death or serious side effects this in time uses valuable NHS resources that could be used for non covid things Stick to what was said at the start protect the vulnerable which are now the non vaccinated Easiest way is to restrict their movements in public places Thumbs up for a covid passport | |||
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"I hope all you vaxxed are starting to realise the REAL reason behind the jabs, when war criminal scum like blair start getting involved with all this its time to worry about the real agenda. What do you think the real reason for the jabs is and why? Total control of the worlds people and depopulation. Its all out there, not from conspiracy sites but from the mouths of the world leaders themselves. Fauchi created a virus for his mate bill gates to create the antivirus. Trillions to be made for the elite out of all this and its worked better than even they could have envisaged xxx" If I post you a tinfoil hat can you promise me to never have children or vote? | |||
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"I hope all you vaxxed are starting to realise the REAL reason behind the jabs, when war criminal scum like blair start getting involved with all this its time to worry about the real agenda. What do you think the real reason for the jabs is and why? Total control of the worlds people and depopulation. Its all out there, not from conspiracy sites but from the mouths of the world leaders themselves. Fauchi created a virus for his mate bill gates to create the antivirus. Trillions to be made for the elite out of all this and its worked better than even they could have envisaged xxx" There's so many things wrong with this statement. 1. There's no chance that so many countries could possibly all agree on one thing. 2. There's lots of different types of vaccine 3. These vaccines have been developed using at least 3 different methods 4. Bill Gates isn't a virologist and is in no position to create a vaccine 5. It's not an anti virus. That's not how vaccines work. 6. There's no value is killing the "plebs" as you then have to do your own dirty work 7. There's very little monetary value in vaccines. Companies much prefer medical problems that require long term daily dosages. | |||
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"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work. the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely Totally agree its the unvaccinated that are at higher risk of death or serious side effects " Not necessarily. Take the Indian strain for instance, AZ may only be 60% effective against it, prophylactic Ivermectin may be as much as 83%. So who should be locked indoors if it becomes the dominant strain, hmm?  | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus." they wont. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. they wont. " Because it’s not. That was easy. | |||
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"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work. the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely Totally agree its the unvaccinated that are at higher risk of death or serious side effects Not necessarily. Take the Indian strain for instance, AZ may only be 60% effective against it, prophylactic Ivermectin may be as much as 83%. So who should be locked indoors if it becomes the dominant strain, hmm? "60% is still better than 0% | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. they wont. Because it’s not. That was easy. " | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. they wont. Because it’s not. That was easy. " It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. they wont. Because it’s not. That was easy. It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects " Control of the problem, not control of the population. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. they wont. Because it’s not. That was easy. It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects Control of the problem, not control of the population. " For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. they wont. Because it’s not. That was easy. It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects Control of the problem, not control of the population. For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies." Good point. Given that the UK is one ofvthe more vaccine positive nations, you wonder what is happening elsewhere. Who benefits? | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. they wont. Because it’s not. That was easy. It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects Control of the problem, not control of the population. For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies. Good point. Given that the UK is one ofvthe more vaccine positive nations, you wonder what is happening elsewhere. Who benefits?" Distrust in authority, political upheaval. Wider than vaccination. Stuff like QAnon. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. they wont. Because it’s not. That was easy. It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects Control of the problem, not control of the population. For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies. Good point. Given that the UK is one ofvthe more vaccine positive nations, you wonder what is happening elsewhere. Who benefits? Distrust in authority, political upheaval. Wider than vaccination. Stuff like QAnon." I don't see who gains from this though... is it just power for the sake of it? | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. they wont. Because it’s not. That was easy. It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects Control of the problem, not control of the population. For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies. Good point. Given that the UK is one ofvthe more vaccine positive nations, you wonder what is happening elsewhere. Who benefits? Distrust in authority, political upheaval. Wider than vaccination. Stuff like QAnon. I don't see who gains from this though... is it just power for the sake of it? " I don't know. I really don't. Some of this stuff is just beyond my comprehension. But there's speculation about and analysis of this kind of thing around. I'm not well informed enough to comment intelligently. | |||
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"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time. Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero... And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it." I'm ex services and was a bit unsure about going on the march in London, needn't have worried I was at one point walking alongside an ex Chindit who's grandson was AAC and had expressed his opposition to the path the country was on.. It's a valid point that be whilst the lib Dems opposed it and over 130 Labour MPs it only went through because the Tory party nigh on fully supported Bush and Blair.. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. they wont. Because it’s not. That was easy. It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects Control of the problem, not control of the population. For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies. Good point. Given that the UK is one ofvthe more vaccine positive nations, you wonder what is happening elsewhere. Who benefits? Distrust in authority, political upheaval. Wider than vaccination. Stuff like QAnon. I don't see who gains from this though... is it just power for the sake of it? I don't know. I really don't. Some of this stuff is just beyond my comprehension. But there's speculation about and analysis of this kind of thing around. I'm not well informed enough to comment intelligently." Clearly I'm not either | |||
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"I don't have a lot of time for Blair but I did find myself agreeing with most of what he said this morning. some contrast to Liza Nandy who was evasive & slippery. I am double vaccinated & old I dont want to be mixing with unvaccinated people who could give me a more vaccine resistant variant of covid . Stay at home then. You don't have the right to insist other people are injected against their will because you think that your virus protection doesn't work. the people who refuse the vaccine should stay at home & not spread the virus . I am a key worker & cannot avoid other people entirely Totally agree its the unvaccinated that are at higher risk of death or serious side effects Not necessarily. Take the Indian strain for instance, AZ may only be 60% effective against it, prophylactic Ivermectin may be as much as 83%. So who should be locked indoors if it becomes the dominant strain, hmm?
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. they wont. Because it’s not. That was easy. It is all about controlling hospital admissions and serious effects Control of the problem, not control of the population. For control of the population, I think a better thing to look at is who's spreading all this bullshit and why. Misinformation as a weapon against democracies. Good point. Given that the UK is one ofvthe more vaccine positive nations, you wonder what is happening elsewhere. Who benefits? Distrust in authority, political upheaval. Wider than vaccination. Stuff like QAnon. I don't see who gains from this though... is it just power for the sake of it? I don't know. I really don't. Some of this stuff is just beyond my comprehension. But there's speculation about and analysis of this kind of thing around. I'm not well informed enough to comment intelligently. Clearly I'm not either "Oh, wasn't a dig, lol. Just, I know there's a lot out there and I'm not sure how to convey it | |||
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"This may have been mentioned already But did Tony and Cherie refuse the MMR vaccine for their son So now he says everyone should be vaccinated " It was a different time and we're all hopefully wiser to the steaming pile of bullshit Wakefield set off. | |||
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"This may have been mentioned already But did Tony and Cherie refuse the MMR vaccine for their son So now he says everyone should be vaccinated " Maybe they have changed their mind in the last 2 decades? | |||
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"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time. Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero... And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it." A tory gmnt would have done exactly the same. Funny isnt it?politicians opposed to war normally get hammered in this country. Suppose it depends if you are red or blue? | |||
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"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time. Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero... And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it. I'm ex services and was a bit unsure about going on the march in London, needn't have worried I was at one point walking alongside an ex Chindit who's grandson was AAC and had expressed his opposition to the path the country was on.. It's a valid point that be whilst the lib Dems opposed it and over 130 Labour MPs it only went through because the Tory party nigh on fully supported Bush and Blair.. " Blair gets hammered for being a war criminal Corbyn gets hammered for opposing conflict. Only in England. | |||
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"On BBC this morning.... The great man says...amongst other snippets... the vaccination of children, he says he thinks it is a good idea and the UK will be moving in that direction. The "priority will always be to get your own country vaccinated" and we are doing that, says Blair. He should be in jail, absolute criminal, he should not be getting any airtime whatsoever Former prime minister Tony Blair says it is time to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. His comments come after his Institute for Global Change recommended a so-called health pass, to be used at home and abroad. Those vaccinated should have "maximum freedom" - including for travel, he tells the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. It is "important to give a real incentive to get vaccinated", he adds. If you have had both jabs, it should be made "much easier" for you to get in or out of the country, says Blair. He says everyone should have the vaccine "unless they have a good medical reason" - but stops short of saying it should be mandatory. I can't stand the bloke but .. It's good to hear someone voice an actual opinion for a change. That man is evil, he should be in prison. Whatever he says, the opposite is true. " | |||
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"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time. Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero... And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it. I'm ex services and was a bit unsure about going on the march in London, needn't have worried I was at one point walking alongside an ex Chindit who's grandson was AAC and had expressed his opposition to the path the country was on.. It's a valid point that be whilst the lib Dems opposed it and over 130 Labour MPs it only went through because the Tory party nigh on fully supported Bush and Blair.. Blair gets hammered for being a war criminal Corbyn gets hammered for opposing conflict. Only in England." Less profit in peace.. | |||
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" What do you think the real reason for the jabs is and why? Total control of the worlds people and depopulation. Its all out there, not from conspiracy sites but from the mouths of the world leaders themselves. Fauchi created a virus for his mate bill gates to create the antivirus. Trillions to be made for the elite out of all this and its worked better than even they could have envisaged xxx" Magic mushroom day is it or possibly something even more hallucinogenic  | |||
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"zuckerberg is the most dangerous person. his company influences more around the world than any political party or politician can. " Actually its Karen. Hey! Could Karen and Zucko be one and the same person?  | |||
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"This may have been mentioned already But did Tony and Cherie refuse the MMR vaccine for their son So now he says everyone should be vaccinated " No they didn't. You could have found out yourself with a quick Google. | |||
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"This may have been mentioned already But did Tony and Cherie refuse the MMR vaccine for their son So now he says everyone should be vaccinated No they didn't. You could have found out yourself with a quick Google. " He (Tony) did convert to Catholicism. Probably fancies a crack at the Pope’s job. | |||
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"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time. Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero... And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it." Yougov poll in 2015 "Thinking back to when the Iraq war began in 2003, AT THE TIME did you think that the United States and Britain were right or wrong to take military action against Iraq?" Right (con voters 43%, Lab 37%) Wrong (con 40%, lab 41%) Don't know (con 18%, lab 23%) | |||
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"This may have been mentioned already But did Tony and Cherie refuse the MMR vaccine for their son So now he says everyone should be vaccinated No they didn't. You could have found out yourself with a quick Google. " I did google it and I also saw that he DIDNT get his son vaccinated against MMR. If you like reading a little about it try Ben Goldacre he actually checks it out a tad more than google does | |||
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"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time. Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero... And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it. Yougov poll in 2015 "Thinking back to when the Iraq war began in 2003, AT THE TIME did you think that the United States and Britain were right or wrong to take military action against Iraq?" Right (con voters 43%, Lab 37%) Wrong (con 40%, lab 41%) Don't know (con 18%, lab 23%) " There was huge anti war sentiment at the time. Even ignoring all that wmd nonesense,anyone could see it was going to be an utter clusterfuck. But America were determined to go in and where america go we follow,especially after 9/11. | |||
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" where america go we follow" Ye ha!!! They voted for a right wing egotistical nutter and we (well you, not me) voted for a ...... | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!! Which is done by … controlling the people. A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect.. We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far.. I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns. That's politicians of whatever hue, ditto those who seek to influence policy. Regardless of the crisis there will be an opportunity to change directions etc.. Same with those who seek to profit.. Blair was right despite being slaughtered for saying the idea to split the doses was a good idea.. He was wrong on many things as they all are in that wonderful thing called hindsight.. In reality it's more nuanced than 'he lied over the war'.." Voice of reason | |||
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"He needs held accountable for crimes against the country and the military. May his balls turn to bicycle wheels and back peddle up his arse. " A fellow Bazza McKenzie fan I see. Sir, I salute you. Now, if only we could stop the rest of these drongos coming the raw prawn... On a serious note though- Blair is vile. Which, interestingly enough, is also an anagram of evil. A corrupt, dishonest, smug, supercilious war criminal. Not that he's the only one of course- but his track record must be one of the worst in recent times. What's even more frightening is that the idiots who voted for Johnson and his cronies don't realise their so called 'Tory' government actually holds Old Tone up as a theological yardstick. Then again, considering how ardently he himself admired Thatcher,I can't say I'm surprised. The snake has now well and truly eaten its own tail. | |||
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"He needs held accountable for crimes against the country and the military. May his balls turn to bicycle wheels and back peddle up his arse. A fellow Bazza McKenzie fan I see. Sir, I salute you. Now, if only we could stop the rest of these drongos coming the raw prawn... On a serious note though- Blair is vile. Which, interestingly enough, is also an anagram of evil. A corrupt, dishonest, smug, supercilious war criminal. Not that he's the only one of course- but his track record must be one of the worst in recent times. What's even more frightening is that the idiots who voted for Johnson and his cronies don't realise their so called 'Tory' government actually holds Old Tone up as a theological yardstick. Then again, considering how ardently he himself admired Thatcher,I can't say I'm surprised. The snake has now well and truly eaten its own tail. " Sorry, autocorrect posted 'theological' when I actually wrote 'theoretical' However, now I come to think of it, maybe the error was closer to the truth after all. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!! Which is done by … controlling the people. A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect.. We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far.. I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns. That's politicians of whatever hue, ditto those who seek to influence policy. Regardless of the crisis there will be an opportunity to change directions etc.. Same with those who seek to profit.. Blair was right despite being slaughtered for saying the idea to split the doses was a good idea.. He was wrong on many things as they all are in that wonderful thing called hindsight.. In reality it's more nuanced than 'he lied over the war'.. Voice of reason "Did he not strong arm his mate the attorney General to make up a legal argument so that it didn't have to go back to the un when the house voted on it? Not that necessarily that war has anything to do with the current crisis. Nor the fact that he can have wisdom now even though he led us into a war many years ago. | |||
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"He needs held accountable for crimes against the country and the military. May his balls turn to bicycle wheels and back peddle up his arse. A fellow Bazza McKenzie fan I see. Sir, I salute you. Now, if only we could stop the rest of these drongos coming the raw prawn... On a serious note though- Blair is vile. Which, interestingly enough, is also an anagram of evil. A corrupt, dishonest, smug, supercilious war criminal. Not that he's the only one of course- but his track record must be one of the worst in recent times. What's even more frightening is that the idiots who voted for Johnson and his cronies don't realise their so called 'Tory' government actually holds Old Tone up as a theological yardstick. Then again, considering how ardently he himself admired Thatcher,I can't say I'm surprised. The snake has now well and truly eaten its own tail. " I think much of the vitriol comes from tory voters who did what rupert and his lovely newspaper told them to do,and switched their allegiance. | |||
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"When are more people going to realise that the jab is about control, not the virus. It is about control ...... Control of The Virus !!!!! Which is done by … controlling the people. A society deficient of controls and boundaries is a scary prospect.. We live by accepted norms and by and large it works, thus far.. I agree. This isn’t about removing controls and boundaries though, it’s about an increase of control, largely being done under the guise of public health concerns. That's politicians of whatever hue, ditto those who seek to influence policy. Regardless of the crisis there will be an opportunity to change directions etc.. Same with those who seek to profit.. Blair was right despite being slaughtered for saying the idea to split the doses was a good idea.. He was wrong on many things as they all are in that wonderful thing called hindsight.. In reality it's more nuanced than 'he lied over the war'.. Voice of reason
Did he not strong arm his mate the attorney General to make up a legal argument so that it didn't have to go back to the un when the house voted on it? Not that necessarily that war has anything to do with the current crisis. Nor the fact that he can have wisdom now even though he led us into a war many years ago. "I think the thread has been lost. It was originally about if you believed what he said or not but obviously an ex lying pm doesnt seem to be that popular on here. Now let me go and look up irony in the dictionary. | |||
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"Yeah, the thread has been lost. I do think the idea has merit, regardless of who said it. It'd restore the economy and mental health. Choices always did come with consequences." This 100% | |||
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"I wonder if we would be as happy with the consequences of not having choice …" Is that the position? You can choose, and that may mean things change for you (possibly, all still hypothetical). | |||
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"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time. Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero... And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it. Yougov poll in 2015 "Thinking back to when the Iraq war began in 2003, AT THE TIME did you think that the United States and Britain were right or wrong to take military action against Iraq?" Right (con voters 43%, Lab 37%) Wrong (con 40%, lab 41%) Don't know (con 18%, lab 23%) There was huge anti war sentiment at the time. Even ignoring all that wmd nonesense,anyone could see it was going to be an utter clusterfuck. But America were determined to go in and where america go we follow,especially after 9/11." People mis-remember. Multiple polls from companies like IPSOS MORI etc... put public support over 50% consistently in the run up to and after the invasion. People 12 years later saying they were opposed is hardly surprising given the way things turned out 2003-2015ish. | |||
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"I'm not a Blair fan at all, but I do wonder how many people now calling him a war criminal and such like actually opposed the Iraq war at the time. Given it had a good level of public support (54% in one poll at the time), I'd guess it's not zero... And of course only 2 Tory MPs voted against it. Yougov poll in 2015 "Thinking back to when the Iraq war began in 2003, AT THE TIME did you think that the United States and Britain were right or wrong to take military action against Iraq?" Right (con voters 43%, Lab 37%) Wrong (con 40%, lab 41%) Don't know (con 18%, lab 23%) There was huge anti war sentiment at the time. Even ignoring all that wmd nonesense,anyone could see it was going to be an utter clusterfuck. But America were determined to go in and where america go we follow,especially after 9/11. People mis-remember. Multiple polls from companies like IPSOS MORI etc... put public support over 50% consistently in the run up to and after the invasion. People 12 years later saying they were opposed is hardly surprising given the way things turned out 2003-2015ish. " What about all those huge anti war rallies? I'm not saying everyone was opposed to it,you will always have those armchair warriors, but many labour voters in particular, felt betrayed by blair when he led us into war. | |||
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