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By *aralewis OP Couple
over a year ago
South Yorkshire |
We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
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"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
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Your assessment that nothing has changed is flawed. The people who are ending up in hospitals are generally much younger and not vaccinated. There are also much less of them requiring medical intervention.
Whilst it is true that younger and healthier folk are mainly effected less by the virus, the vaccination will reduce the infection rate & number of mutations. The more people who are vaccinated the better the chances of the virus going away.
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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Vaccines don’t make you immune to Covid, you can still get it, it’s just you are likely to be less affected by it. I work on the frontline of this, and have seen people test positive after having both jabs.
It’s mainly younger people who we are seeing, so it really is a race to get people vaccinate before the current variants circulate in society and mutate further, possibly into forms that aren’t suppressed so well by the vaccines.
If you listen to the scientists in meetings, most are very pleased with the vaccines and feel positive, but state that there’s some chance of a problematic variant emerging.
Personally, I’m feeling pretty positive, but there is definitely more feeling of concern around the last few days. |
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"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
Your assessment that nothing has changed is flawed. The people who are ending up in hospitals are generally much younger and not vaccinated. There are also much less of them requiring medical intervention.
Whilst it is true that younger and healthier folk are mainly effected less by the virus, the vaccination will reduce the infection rate & number of mutations. The more people who are vaccinated the better the chances of the virus going away.
Cal"
There was a good graph in the Daily Mail yesterday (yes, really!) showing the number of cases of Delta (Indian variant) and the percentage that ended up in A&E, hospitalised or dead and then stated how many were unvaccinated, 1 dose or double dose.
This shows what we already knew. The vaccine doesn't stop people from getting unwell, hospitalised or dying. However, the numbers of fully vaccinated people requiring treatment (or dying) were far lower. If you also factor in that the double vaccinated are mainly 60+ and therefore more vulnerable, this really does demonstrate that the vaccine is effective in keeping people out of hospital.
The problem though is that whilst the virus spreads though the younger age groups (particular kids and their parents in the 25 to 44 age), it gets more opportunity to hit the elderly who the vaccine wasn't effective for.
We also need to be aware that the vaccine is less effective against the delta variant so any further mutations may be even more vaccine resistant and therefore potentially make the vaccine programme a waste of time. |
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"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
Your assessment that nothing has changed is flawed. The people who are ending up in hospitals are generally much younger and not vaccinated. There are also much less of them requiring medical intervention.
Whilst it is true that younger and healthier folk are mainly effected less by the virus, the vaccination will reduce the infection rate & number of mutations. The more people who are vaccinated the better the chances of the virus going away.
Cal
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There was a good graph in the Daily Mail yesterday (yes, really!) showing the number of cases of Delta (Indian variant) and the percentage that ended up in A&E, hospitalised or dead and then stated how many were unvaccinated, 1 dose or double dose.
This shows what we already knew. The vaccine doesn't stop people from getting unwell, hospitalised or dying. However, the numbers of fully vaccinated people requiring treatment (or dying) were far lower. If you also factor in that the double vaccinated are mainly 60+ and therefore more vulnerable, this really does demonstrate that the vaccine is effective in keeping people out of hospital.
The problem though is that whilst the virus spreads though the younger age groups (particular kids and their parents in the 25 to 44 age), it gets more opportunity to hit the elderly who the vaccine wasn't effective for.
We also need to be aware that the vaccine is less effective against the delta variant so any further mutations may be even more vaccine resistant and therefore potentially make the vaccine programme a waste of time."
Sorry but your post is a bit contradictory. The number of fully vaccinated people requiring Hospital intervention being "much lower" indicates that the vaccine does stop people getting sick and dying.
The data has shown an above 80% reduction of hospitalizations of those fully vaccinated and a 65% reduction of infection rate for those protected.
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"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
Your assessment that nothing has changed is flawed. The people who are ending up in hospitals are generally much younger and not vaccinated. There are also much less of them requiring medical intervention.
Whilst it is true that younger and healthier folk are mainly effected less by the virus, the vaccination will reduce the infection rate & number of mutations. The more people who are vaccinated the better the chances of the virus going away.
Cal
There was a good graph in the Daily Mail yesterday (yes, really!) showing the number of cases of Delta (Indian variant) and the percentage that ended up in A&E, hospitalised or dead and then stated how many were unvaccinated, 1 dose or double dose.
This shows what we already knew. The vaccine doesn't stop people from getting unwell, hospitalised or dying. However, the numbers of fully vaccinated people requiring treatment (or dying) were far lower. If you also factor in that the double vaccinated are mainly 60+ and therefore more vulnerable, this really does demonstrate that the vaccine is effective in keeping people out of hospital.
The problem though is that whilst the virus spreads though the younger age groups (particular kids and their parents in the 25 to 44 age), it gets more opportunity to hit the elderly who the vaccine wasn't effective for.
We also need to be aware that the vaccine is less effective against the delta variant so any further mutations may be even more vaccine resistant and therefore potentially make the vaccine programme a waste of time."
In reply to your last paragraph, that is why there will be yearly booster jabs that will be effective against new strains and this will probably only be given to the most vulnerable. This is basically the same as for the flu jab each year -it is designed to be effective against the most common predicted strain for that winter season |
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"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
Your assessment that nothing has changed is flawed. The people who are ending up in hospitals are generally much younger and not vaccinated. There are also much less of them requiring medical intervention.
Whilst it is true that younger and healthier folk are mainly effected less by the virus, the vaccination will reduce the infection rate & number of mutations. The more people who are vaccinated the better the chances of the virus going away.
Cal
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There was a good graph in the Daily Mail yesterday (yes, really!) showing the number of cases of Delta (Indian variant) and the percentage that ended up in A&E, hospitalised or dead and then stated how many were unvaccinated, 1 dose or double dose.
This shows what we already knew. The vaccine doesn't stop people from getting unwell, hospitalised or dying. However, the numbers of fully vaccinated people requiring treatment (or dying) were far lower. If you also factor in that the double vaccinated are mainly 60+ and therefore more vulnerable, this really does demonstrate that the vaccine is effective in keeping people out of hospital.
The problem though is that whilst the virus spreads though the younger age groups (particular kids and their parents in the 25 to 44 age), it gets more opportunity to hit the elderly who the vaccine wasn't effective for.
We also need to be aware that the vaccine is less effective against the delta variant so any further mutations may be even more vaccine resistant and therefore potentially make the vaccine programme a waste of time.
Sorry but your post is a bit contradictory. The number of fully vaccinated people requiring Hospital intervention being "much lower" indicates that the vaccine does stop people getting sick and dying.
The data has shown an above 80% reduction of hospitalizations of those fully vaccinated and a 65% reduction of infection rate for those protected.
Cal"
Not contradictory. Just depends what you mean by stop. |
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I think the worry is high virus rates massively expands the opportunity for mutation. I think there is a worry of this breading amongst the unvaccinated young could lead to mutations that become more damaging and harmful to young people. Also that the more virus there is in the population the more exposure it has to the vaccinated population and thus more risk of mutation to become resistant to the vacine.
I think the pressure is not so much to continue the restorations long term but to extend a few weeks allowing more of the population to be vaccinated. I understand this argument but don't agree. I think we are at a stage where the total gains of lifting restrictions outweigh the risks. Especially when looking at the wider socio-economic risks of not lifting restorations. Plus what's the point of everyone here staying restricted when the virus is rampant globally and thus those mutations will probably occur elsewhere and spread anyway. |
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By *aralewis OP Couple
over a year ago
South Yorkshire |
"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
Your assessment that nothing has changed is flawed. The people who are ending up in hospitals are generally much younger and not vaccinated. There are also much less of them requiring medical intervention.
Whilst it is true that younger and healthier folk are mainly effected less by the virus, the vaccination will reduce the infection rate & number of mutations. The more people who are vaccinated the better the chances of the virus going away.
Cal"
The virus isn’t going anywhere even if everyone had the jab
And not everyone believes in science because it’s an opinion
I every country will have a new strain coz as long as people been earth they always been Virus |
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By *aralewis OP Couple
over a year ago
South Yorkshire |
"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
Your assessment that nothing has changed is flawed. The people who are ending up in hospitals are generally much younger and not vaccinated. There are also much less of them requiring medical intervention.
Whilst it is true that younger and healthier folk are mainly effected less by the virus, the vaccination will reduce the infection rate & number of mutations. The more people who are vaccinated the better the chances of the virus going away.
Cal
There was a good graph in the Daily Mail yesterday (yes, really!) showing the number of cases of Delta (Indian variant) and the percentage that ended up in A&E, hospitalised or dead and then stated how many were unvaccinated, 1 dose or double dose.
This shows what we already knew. The vaccine doesn't stop people from getting unwell, hospitalised or dying. However, the numbers of fully vaccinated people requiring treatment (or dying) were far lower. If you also factor in that the double vaccinated are mainly 60+ and therefore more vulnerable, this really does demonstrate that the vaccine is effective in keeping people out of hospital.
The problem though is that whilst the virus spreads though the younger age groups (particular kids and their parents in the 25 to 44 age), it gets more opportunity to hit the elderly who the vaccine wasn't effective for.
We also need to be aware that the vaccine is less effective against the delta variant so any further mutations may be even more vaccine resistant and therefore potentially make the vaccine programme a waste of time."
So have we eradicated and suppressed the Kent virus
Or is it that uk national was getting banned from entering other country it’s disappeared and the media stopped reporting it |
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over a year ago
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Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits |
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"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
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Seatbelts stopped many people from dying in car accidents so by your logic we should stop using them as they did their job? |
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits "
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine. |
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits "
Not lies. You just don’t understand the word assymptomatic  |
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over a year ago
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"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
Your assessment that nothing has changed is flawed. The people who are ending up in hospitals are generally much younger and not vaccinated. There are also much less of them requiring medical intervention.
Whilst it is true that younger and healthier folk are mainly effected less by the virus, the vaccination will reduce the infection rate & number of mutations. The more people who are vaccinated the better the chances of the virus going away.
Cal
There was a good graph in the Daily Mail yesterday (yes, really!) showing the number of cases of Delta (Indian variant) and the percentage that ended up in A&E, hospitalised or dead and then stated how many were unvaccinated, 1 dose or double dose.
This shows what we already knew. The vaccine doesn't stop people from getting unwell, hospitalised or dying. However, the numbers of fully vaccinated people requiring treatment (or dying) were far lower. If you also factor in that the double vaccinated are mainly 60+ and therefore more vulnerable, this really does demonstrate that the vaccine is effective in keeping people out of hospital.
The problem though is that whilst the virus spreads though the younger age groups (particular kids and their parents in the 25 to 44 age), it gets more opportunity to hit the elderly who the vaccine wasn't effective for.
We also need to be aware that the vaccine is less effective against the delta variant so any further mutations may be even more vaccine resistant and therefore potentially make the vaccine programme a waste of time.
So have we eradicated and suppressed the Kent virus
Or is it that uk national was getting banned from entering other country it’s disappeared and the media stopped reporting it"
Now this makes sence Kent virus its all a load of crap , I for one don’t believe a word the government says , and the media lol there just scaremongers. |
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine. "
So how is this convid so bad then!!! If you can test positive and not ne unwell. It’s utter utter shite |
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine.
So how is this convid so bad then!!! If you can test positive and not ne unwell. It’s utter utter shite "
Just because I wasn't ill with it doesn't mean other people weren't or that other people didn't die does it? |
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine.
So how is this convid so bad then!!! If you can test positive and not ne unwell. It’s utter utter shite "
Thank you dory. Just keep trolling, just keep trolling |
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits "
STI's can have no symptoms. Doesn't mean they don't exist. |
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over a year ago
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"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
Your assessment that nothing has changed is flawed. The people who are ending up in hospitals are generally much younger and not vaccinated. There are also much less of them requiring medical intervention.
Whilst it is true that younger and healthier folk are mainly effected less by the virus, the vaccination will reduce the infection rate & number of mutations. The more people who are vaccinated the better the chances of the virus going away.
Cal
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There was a good graph in the Daily Mail yesterday (yes, really!) showing the number of cases of Delta (Indian variant) and the percentage that ended up in A&E, hospitalised or dead and then stated how many were unvaccinated, 1 dose or double dose.
This shows what we already knew. The vaccine doesn't stop people from getting unwell, hospitalised or dying. However, the numbers of fully vaccinated people requiring treatment (or dying) were far lower. If you also factor in that the double vaccinated are mainly 60+ and therefore more vulnerable, this really does demonstrate that the vaccine is effective in keeping people out of hospital.
The problem though is that whilst the virus spreads though the younger age groups (particular kids and their parents in the 25 to 44 age), it gets more opportunity to hit the elderly who the vaccine wasn't effective for.
We also need to be aware that the vaccine is less effective against the delta variant so any further mutations may be even more vaccine resistant and therefore potentially make the vaccine programme a waste of time.
Sorry but your post is a bit contradictory. The number of fully vaccinated people requiring Hospital intervention being "much lower" indicates that the vaccine does stop people getting sick and dying.
The data has shown an above 80% reduction of hospitalizations of those fully vaccinated and a 65% reduction of infection rate for those protected.
Cal"
I think you are actually both agreeing. The vaccine doesn't 100% 'stop' infection. It reduces it and also can reduce severity.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The virus isn’t going anywhere even if everyone had the jab
And not everyone believes in science because it’s an opinion
I every country will have a new strain coz as long as people been earth they always been Virus "
What, any science? 
Science is not an opinion. |
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine.
So how is this convid so bad then!!! If you can test positive and not ne unwell. It’s utter utter shite "
What it utter shite is the large amount of people who died because of covid and the growing numbers of people with long covid who's lives may never to the same again. |
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine.
So how is this convid so bad then!!! If you can test positive and not ne unwell. It’s utter utter shite
What it utter shite is the large amount of people who died because of covid and the growing numbers of people with long covid who's lives may never to the same again."
Oh don’t worry. He will ignore that evidence |
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine.
So how is this convid so bad then!!! If you can test positive and not ne unwell. It’s utter utter shite
What it utter shite is the large amount of people who died because of covid and the growing numbers of people with long covid who's lives may never to the same again."
As with many illnesses, people are effected differently. There are many viruses that may not present symptoms to everyone but can be easily passed on to others. Many STD's for example can happily spread around without many people knowing they are infected... until they get tested and gave to start ringing everyone they had sex with over the last 6 months. |
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The curent jabs dont make you imune to covid.
The virus changes too quickly like the comon cold to get one total cure.
Young are not imune they just have a more activ imune system than older.
Basicaly this is hear to stay |
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine.
So how is this convid so bad then!!! If you can test positive and not ne unwell. It’s utter utter shite "
That’s one person. Plenty of people are asymptomatic with covid.
I’ve just spent the last year working with hundreds upon hundreds of Covid patients. Some were seriously ill, some died. A significant number of those who died were healthy and in their twenties and thirties.
I can deal with debate about how to live life going forward, but I struggle with any argument that the last year hasn’t been different, and absolutely harrowing. There are a lot of people dead in Wales who wouldn’t have been in a normal year. |
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"The curent jabs dont make you imune to covid.
The virus changes too quickly like the comon cold to get one total cure.
Young are not imune they just have a more activ imune system than older.
Basicaly this is hear to stay "
The vaccines do give you an immunity, people just don't seem to know what that means. Having an immunity means that your body knows what to do if infected, not that you can't get infected at all.
There is not actually such a thing as "The common cold", this is a widely held misunderstanding. There are over 200 different viruses from different virus "families" (including coronaviruses and rhinoviruses) that are classified as "a cold".
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine.
So how is this convid so bad then!!! If you can test positive and not ne unwell. It’s utter utter shite
That’s one person. Plenty of people are asymptomatic with covid.
I’ve just spent the last year working with hundreds upon hundreds of Covid patients. Some were seriously ill, some died. A significant number of those who died were healthy and in their twenties and thirties.
I can deal with debate about how to live life going forward, but I struggle with any argument that the last year hasn’t been different, and absolutely harrowing. There are a lot of people dead in Wales who wouldn’t have been in a normal year."
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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Not sure I am going to word this correctly but here goes...
Prior to the vaccine programme hitting a critical mass of the vulnerable/elderly we know that the vast majority of hospitalisations were from those groups, ie over 70 and/or with other health conditions.
It goes to follow that if c.95% (I believe) of that group are now vaccinated (even double dose now) then we should be seeing a corresponding fall in hospitalisations amongst that group. Still following me?
So it is therefore obvious that those still being hospitalised will now have higher proportions of younger people (ie those not until recently able to be vaccinated or with single dose). However, the key word is “proportion” because absolute numbers in hospital is dramatically lower than before.
So what I want to know is, out of that lower absolute number in hospital, are the proportion WITHIN each age demographic changing compared to before or is the pattern still the same?
Ie assuming (made up numbers) there are 5 million 20-30yr olds in UK and previously 0.1% of those were getting hospitalised (so 5,000), has that changed? If it hasn’t then saying “most of those in hospital are from younger groups” while true, is actually misleading as the overall pattern against the UK population demographics has not changed, ergo the risk profile has not changed. |
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"So pleased you posted op, people need to wake up."
To all of the deaths and seriously ill people? To all of those still suffering almost a year on with severe medical issues thanks to having covid. You're right. People do need to wake up. Perhaps we need to investigate tin poisoning for done. |
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"So pleased you posted op, people need to wake up.
To all of the deaths and seriously ill people? To all of those still suffering almost a year on with severe medical issues thanks to having covid. You're right. People do need to wake up. Perhaps we need to investigate tin poisoning for done. "
Tin poisoning from foil hats? |
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"So pleased you posted op, people need to wake up.
To all of the deaths and seriously ill people? To all of those still suffering almost a year on with severe medical issues thanks to having covid. You're right. People do need to wake up. Perhaps we need to investigate tin poisoning for done.
Tin poisoning from foil hats?"
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"So pleased you posted op, people need to wake up.
To all of the deaths and seriously ill people? To all of those still suffering almost a year on with severe medical issues thanks to having covid. You're right. People do need to wake up. Perhaps we need to investigate tin poisoning for done.
Tin poisoning from foil hats?
Yeah"
There's no correlation between aluminium in vaccines and any issues - but maybe we'll find it in the hats |
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The virus isn’t going anywhere even if everyone had the jab
And not everyone believes in science because it’s an opinion
I every country will have a new strain coz as long as people been earth they always been Virus
What, any science?
Science is not an opinion. "
Science is coz not all agree with the same outcome
And it’s like how to processes the information
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The virus isn’t going anywhere even if everyone had the jab
And not everyone believes in science because it’s an opinion
I every country will have a new strain coz as long as people been earth they always been Virus
What, any science?
Science is not an opinion.
Science is coz not all agree with the same outcome
And it’s like how to processes the information
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Look to the scientific method, not individual scientists.
People do experiments or trials, they gather data, they present evidence. That evidence is then scrutinised by people who know how to do so. The process repeats. Gradually more data, more evidence is uncovered, and things get closer to "truth".
It's a complicated process but it's how we find out complicated things. |
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By *aralewis OP Couple
over a year ago
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Well I still think we’re being fooled and lied to
Example we got told stop at home to save the vulnerable and it didn’t effect young people that was only a year ago
Now the vulnerable had the jab and according to what we first got told we’d be ok and out of lockdown..now they need scare us again into complying so now it’s the young ones catching it and spreading it..Really
So wasn’t they catching it before the vulnerable had the jab and what more percentages is catching it now than before and going hospital
To say it’s at all time low hospital admission
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"Well I still think we’re being fooled and lied to
Example we got told stop at home to save the vulnerable and it didn’t effect young people that was only a year ago
Now the vulnerable had the jab and according to what we first got told we’d be ok and out of lockdown..now they need scare us again into complying so now it’s the young ones catching it and spreading it..Really
So wasn’t they catching it before the vulnerable had the jab and what more percentages is catching it now than before and going hospital
To say it’s at all time low hospital admission
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They discovered something, brand new, less than 2 years ago and they're still figuring stuff out.
... I mean is that really surprising? (Particularly as it's changing)
Are some people lying to us? Sure. If Boris told me the sky is blue I'd check. The politicians are probably lying.
So ignore the politicians.
Do you really think that a global conspiracy on this scale is actually possible? Is anyone capable of hiding it that well, so that the only "whistleblowers" sound like they've got no evidence?
... I mean come on, pull the other one. |
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine.
So how is this convid so bad then!!! If you can test positive and not ne unwell. It’s utter utter shite
Thank you dory. Just keep trolling, just keep trolling
So I’m a troll because I don’t Agree with you ! Your part of the problem ! You oxygen thief
Wishing me dead huh. What a delightful person
Grow up key board warrior "
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“ Example we got told stop at home to save the vulnerable and it didn’t effect young people that was only a year ago”
when were we told this? i remember being told they were in a much more vulnerable position, that the risk was higher, but i don’t remember being told young people would not be effected |
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"Not sure I am going to word this correctly but here goes...
Prior to the vaccine programme hitting a critical mass of the vulnerable/elderly we know that the vast majority of hospitalisations were from those groups, ie over 70 and/or with other health conditions.
It goes to follow that if c.95% (I believe) of that group are now vaccinated (even double dose now) then we should be seeing a corresponding fall in hospitalisations amongst that group. Still following me?
So it is therefore obvious that those still being hospitalised will now have higher proportions of younger people (ie those not until recently able to be vaccinated or with single dose). However, the key word is “proportion” because absolute numbers in hospital is dramatically lower than before.
So what I want to know is, out of that lower absolute number in hospital, are the proportion WITHIN each age demographic changing compared to before or is the pattern still the same?
Ie assuming (made up numbers) there are 5 million 20-30yr olds in UK and previously 0.1% of those were getting hospitalised (so 5,000), has that changed? If it hasn’t then saying “most of those in hospital are from younger groups” while true, is actually misleading as the overall pattern against the UK population demographics has not changed, ergo the risk profile has not changed."
Makes sense to me.
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"Well I still think we’re being fooled and lied to
Example we got told stop at home to save the vulnerable and it didn’t effect young people that was only a year ago
Now the vulnerable had the jab and according to what we first got told we’d be ok and out of lockdown..now they need scare us again into complying so now it’s the young ones catching it and spreading it..Really
So wasn’t they catching it before the vulnerable had the jab and what more percentages is catching it now than before and going hospital
To say it’s at all time low hospital admission
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Different variants affect different age groups in different ways. It’s that simple.
I’ve seen the age profile change myself over the months, at first hand.
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine.
So how is this convid so bad then!!! If you can test positive and not ne unwell. It’s utter utter shite
That’s one person. Plenty of people are asymptomatic with covid.
I’ve just spent the last year working with hundreds upon hundreds of Covid patients. Some were seriously ill, some died. A significant number of those who died were healthy and in their twenties and thirties.
I can deal with debate about how to live life going forward, but I struggle with any argument that the last year hasn’t been different, and absolutely harrowing. There are a lot of people dead in Wales who wouldn’t have been in a normal year.
Thank you for what you do"
Thanks - means a lot.
Still feel a bit sad and angry that some people prefer to listen to Jeff on Facebook, than those who have seen exactly what goes on at first hand   |
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine.
So how is this convid so bad then!!! If you can test positive and not ne unwell. It’s utter utter shite
That’s one person. Plenty of people are asymptomatic with covid.
I’ve just spent the last year working with hundreds upon hundreds of Covid patients. Some were seriously ill, some died. A significant number of those who died were healthy and in their twenties and thirties.
I can deal with debate about how to live life going forward, but I struggle with any argument that the last year hasn’t been different, and absolutely harrowing. There are a lot of people dead in Wales who wouldn’t have been in a normal year.
Thank you for what you do
Thanks - means a lot.
Still feel a bit sad and angry that some people prefer to listen to Jeff on Facebook, than those who have seen exactly what goes on at first hand "
Its not a vaccine its a dna altering experiment where we are the guinea pigs, basically they put some mrna thing inside which alters dna to make virus (which could actually spread virus)
Because mRNA vaccines are only now beginning to be tested in humans, there are a lot of fairly basic unknowns which can only be answered through human trials. ‘What is really the current challenge, I think, is to understand whether these vaccines will really be able to mount a sufficiently protective immune response in the human and to understand, for example, which quantities of mRNA will be needed to do this,’ said Prof. Bekeredjian-Ding.
Other outstanding questions include whether the proteins that have been chosen for the vaccine are the right ones to prevent a coronavirus infection in the body, how targeted the immune response is to this particular coronavirus, how long any immunity would last, and whether it causes side-effects such as increased inflammatory responses like redness and swelling or, in the worst case, aggravates disease.
there is still a lot of work to be done to understand this response around periods, the length of the protection it could give and whether there are any downsides |
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"“Its not a vaccine its a dna altering experiment where we are the guinea pigs, basically they put some mrna thing inside which alters dna to make virus (which could actually spread virus)
Because mRNA vaccines are only now beginning to be tested in humans, there are a lot of fairly basic unknowns which can only be answered through human trials. ‘What is really the current challenge, I think, is to understand whether these vaccines will really be able to mount a sufficiently protective immune response in the human and to understand, for example, which quantities of mRNA will be needed to do this,’ said Prof. Bekeredjian-Ding.
Other outstanding questions include whether the proteins that have been chosen for the vaccine are the right ones to prevent a coronavirus infection in the body, how targeted the immune response is to this particular coronavirus, how long any immunity would last, and whether it causes side-effects such as increased inflammatory responses like redness and swelling or, in the worst case, aggravates disease.
there is still a lot of work to be done to understand this response around periods, the length of the protection it could give and whether there are any downsides"
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Apart from the first paragraph, you snipped from a Horizons article from March 2020. Evidence from the phase trials in thousands of humans in 2020 showed that with 95% efficacy at reducing effects and catching the virus that these vaccines are able to mount a sufficient immune response and hence they have sorted out the amount on mRNA to achieve this.
As for your first paragraph, which I assume is your own words (based on “some mrna thing”). Well it is so incorrect, I am lost for words |
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine.
So how is this convid so bad then!!! If you can test positive and not ne unwell. It’s utter utter shite
That’s one person. Plenty of people are asymptomatic with covid.
I’ve just spent the last year working with hundreds upon hundreds of Covid patients. Some were seriously ill, some died. A significant number of those who died were healthy and in their twenties and thirties.
I can deal with debate about how to live life going forward, but I struggle with any argument that the last year hasn’t been different, and absolutely harrowing. There are a lot of people dead in Wales who wouldn’t have been in a normal year.
Thank you for what you do
Thanks - means a lot.
Still feel a bit sad and angry that some people prefer to listen to Jeff on Facebook, than those who have seen exactly what goes on at first hand "
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I don't know who the OP thinks told her that the virus only attacks elderly people but it doesn't. It has always infected everyone. The profile of people most severely affected were the elderly and those with vulnerabilities. But it has affected all age groups, including long-term damage to the young.
Newer variants can also be more infectious, cause more serious illness or disabilities, including over a broader range of the population.
I don't know whether OP was about getting the country into a more dangerous position, by stopping restrictions and downplaying the vaccines, under the guise of a misrepresentation of what the earler scientific evidence was. It's clear that we do have to focus on the scientific evidence from reputable sources that have been peer reviewed, not just the likes of social media or soundbite 'news' feeds, often driven by those with vested interests at heart.
Did you commit to do your bit, getting vaccinated and abiding by social restrictions, for the common good, is what we each need to ask ourselves. Half-measures produce half-hearted results that can be catastrophic. In many ways, we can almost do everything that we previously could do. We need to be grateful that our sacrifices have paid off. |
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"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
"
Those who profit most from this want it to drag on and on. And so it does. |
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"Here’s a question from the government ads I’d like answered , you can still carry the convid with out symptoms !!! How the hell is that I’m sure you’d know if you had the convid I’m sure there would be symptoms. More lies from Boris and his gang of fuckwits
I tested positive for covid in January this year without a si gke symptom. Honestly not one. Not a cough. Not a fever. Not a sore throat. It was only picked up as we have a weekly pcr testing programme at work. Isolated at home for 10 days but managed to work from home fine.
So how is this convid so bad then!!! If you can test positive and not ne unwell. It’s utter utter shite
That’s one person. Plenty of people are asymptomatic with covid.
I’ve just spent the last year working with hundreds upon hundreds of Covid patients. Some were seriously ill, some died. A significant number of those who died were healthy and in their twenties and thirties.
I can deal with debate about how to live life going forward, but I struggle with any argument that the last year hasn’t been different, and absolutely harrowing. There are a lot of people dead in Wales who wouldn’t have been in a normal year.
Thank you for what you do
Thanks - means a lot.
Still feel a bit sad and angry that some people prefer to listen to Jeff on Facebook, than those who have seen exactly what goes on at first hand
Its not a vaccine its a dna altering experiment where we are the guinea pigs, basically they put some mrna thing inside which alters dna to make virus (which could actually spread virus)
Because mRNA vaccines are only now beginning to be tested in humans, there are a lot of fairly basic unknowns which can only be answered through human trials. ‘What is really the current challenge, I think, is to understand whether these vaccines will really be able to mount a sufficiently protective immune response in the human and to understand, for example, which quantities of mRNA will be needed to do this,’ said Prof. Bekeredjian-Ding.
Other outstanding questions include whether the proteins that have been chosen for the vaccine are the right ones to prevent a coronavirus infection in the body, how targeted the immune response is to this particular coronavirus, how long any immunity would last, and whether it causes side-effects such as increased inflammatory responses like redness and swelling or, in the worst case, aggravates disease.
there is still a lot of work to be done to understand this response around periods, the length of the protection it could give and whether there are any downsides"
We're so very fortunate to have instead, reputable scientific evidence that is peer-reviewed in the credible scientific literature, rather than archaic 'newsy' talking shop pieces. This has been posted ad nauseum into the forum and it doesn't make it any more valid than the junk that it is and it's ever more irrelevant in June 2021, now that the decades of research have paid off, with saving so many lives and livelihoods. Over 2 billion vaccine doses have now been given, many of them mRNA type vaccines. The biggest wealth of scientific evidence in world history in this time. |
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Its a clinical trial
It was fast tracked for approval
Only time can tell
Even the scientists working on it are not sure of outcomes as of yet
Some people believe everything mainstream media machine tells them
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"Its a clinical trial
It was fast tracked for approval
Only time can tell
Even the scientists working on it are not sure of outcomes as of yet
Some people believe everything mainstream media machine tells them
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and some people are so full of rage against the machine that they will argue the sky is green just to go against them |
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"Its a clinical trial
It was fast tracked for approval
Only time can tell
Even the scientists working on it are not sure of outcomes as of yet
Some people believe everything mainstream media machine tells them
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I'm curious
What is the non main stream media? |
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"Its a clinical trial
It was fast tracked for approval
Only time can tell
Even the scientists working on it are not sure of outcomes as of yet
Some people believe everything mainstream media machine tells them
I'm curious
What is the non main stream media?"
The people they agree with |
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"Its a clinical trial
It was fast tracked for approval
Only time can tell
Even the scientists working on it are not sure of outcomes as of yet
Some people believe everything mainstream media machine tells them
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You've not provided any reputable backing for the outlandodh unfounded claims you've posted, that are within peer-reviewed credible scientific research journals. You making such statements over and over again doesn't do anything but spread alarm and weaken any interest that you may have in wanting to help anyone. |
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Complete bollocks, 8 out of 10 people won’t know they’ve even had it or even get it, the rest might get a mild illness, not worthy of a doctor’s appointment, even the most vulnerable will not die in the majority, source Chris Whitty |
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"Its a clinical trial
It was fast tracked for approval
Only time can tell
Even the scientists working on it are not sure of outcomes as of yet
Some people believe everything mainstream media machine tells them
I'm curious
What is the non main stream media?"
Karen et al, Facebook |
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"Complete bollocks, 8 out of 10 people won’t know they’ve even had it or even get it, the rest might get a mild illness, not worthy of a doctor’s appointment, even the most vulnerable will not die in the majority, source Chris Whitty "
You've not had long Covid, organ damage etc? Vaccinated? |
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"Its a clinical trial
It was fast tracked for approval
Only time can tell
Even the scientists working on it are not sure of outcomes as of yet
Some people believe everything mainstream media machine tells them
I'm curious
What is the non main stream media?
The people they agree with "
The beano? |
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"Complete bollocks, 8 out of 10 people won’t know they’ve even had it or even get it, the rest might get a mild illness, not worthy of a doctor’s appointment, even the most vulnerable will not die in the majority, source Chris Whitty "
How about that mere 130 odd thousand? |
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"Its a clinical trial
It was fast tracked for approval
Only time can tell
Even the scientists working on it are not sure of outcomes as of yet
Some people believe everything mainstream media machine tells them
You've not provided any reputable backing for the outlandodh unfounded claims you've posted, that are within peer-reviewed credible scientific research journals. You making such statements over and over again doesn't do anything but spread alarm and weaken any interest that you may have in wanting to help anyone. "
Yes, funny how people who tell us to be independent and look for our own sources seem to repeat the same tired lines over and over.
I mean the anti vax stuff is even recycled from other vaccines. Methinks the leaders of the anti movement are too lazy to come up with new arguments |
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"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
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The vaccine certainly makes you more immune to the virus than if you didn't have the vaccine. However, the vaccine doesn't stop mutations from developing and it might exacerbate underlying issues such as your propensity to blood cots etc.
Hope that helps |
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Not lies. You just don’t understand the word assymptomatic "
Apparently half as many as those sick with flu every year are carrying it asymptomatically. |
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"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
The vaccine certainly makes you more immune to the virus than if you didn't have the vaccine. However, the vaccine doesn't stop mutations from developing and it might exacerbate underlying issues such as your propensity to blood cots etc.
Hope that helps"
In short, the vaccines work incredibly well. |
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"So that has no bearing on what has happened previously? It’s changed since the start? Cognitive dissonance is real regarding this issue "
So just to be clear.. over 130,000 havent died from covid.? |
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"So that has no bearing on what has happened previously? It’s changed since the start? Cognitive dissonance is real regarding this issue
So just to be clear.. over 130,000 havent died from covid.?"
I think a columnist squinted and defined having a sniffle as a child* as a pre existing condition, and from that determined that the "real" death toll was under 500 people.
* I'm exaggerating, but I think it did include depression and autism, which have zero association to Covid to worsen your outcome.
It's almost like there's dishonest reporting going on by the denialists.
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The police are going to be royally pissed off. They’ve spent years getting all these criminals dna then along comes Bill gates with his vaccine that changes their dna. |
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"We get told how well the Vaccine Program going so good the they thinking of extending age group down to 30s
So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
Your assessment that nothing has changed is flawed. The people who are ending up in hospitals are generally much younger and not vaccinated. There are also much less of them requiring medical intervention.
Whilst it is true that younger and healthier folk are mainly effected less by the virus, the vaccination will reduce the infection rate & number of mutations. The more people who are vaccinated the better the chances of the virus going away.
Cal
There was a good graph in the Daily Mail yesterday (yes, really!) showing the number of cases of Delta (Indian variant) and the percentage that ended up in A&E, hospitalised or dead and then stated how many were unvaccinated, 1 dose or double dose.
This shows what we already knew. The vaccine doesn't stop people from getting unwell, hospitalised or dying. However, the numbers of fully vaccinated people requiring treatment (or dying) were far lower. If you also factor in that the double vaccinated are mainly 60+ and therefore more vulnerable, this really does demonstrate that the vaccine is effective in keeping people out of hospital.
The problem though is that whilst the virus spreads though the younger age groups (particular kids and their parents in the 25 to 44 age), it gets more opportunity to hit the elderly who the vaccine wasn't effective for.
We also need to be aware that the vaccine is less effective against the delta variant so any further mutations may be even more vaccine resistant and therefore potentially make the vaccine programme a waste of time.
So have we eradicated and suppressed the Kent virus
Or is it that uk national was getting banned from entering other country it’s disappeared and the media stopped reporting it"
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So if the most vulnerable had it and we was once told it doesn’t effect the young why are we still wearing mask social distances etc
Death rate low
Hospital admission low
So my question is Does the vaccine actually work coz nothing changed and I thought your meant to be immune to covid or am I mistaken
Your assessment that nothing has changed is flawed. The people who are ending up in hospitals are generally much younger and not vaccinated. There are also much less of them requiring medical intervention.
Whilst it is true that younger and healthier folk are mainly effected less by the virus, the vaccination will reduce the infection rate & number of mutations. The more people who are vaccinated the better the chances of the virus going away.
Cal
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There was a good graph in the Daily Mail yesterday (yes, really!) showing the number of cases of Delta (Indian variant) and the percentage that ended up in A&E, hospitalised or dead and then stated how many were unvaccinated, 1 dose or double dose.
This shows what we already knew. The vaccine doesn't stop people from getting unwell, hospitalised or dying. However, the numbers of fully vaccinated people requiring treatment (or dying) were far lower. If you also factor in that the double vaccinated are mainly 60+ and therefore more vulnerable, this really does demonstrate that the vaccine is effective in keeping people out of hospital.
The problem though is that whilst the virus spreads though the younger age groups (particular kids and their parents in the 25 to 44 age), it gets more opportunity to hit the elderly who the vaccine wasn't effective for.
We also need to be aware that the vaccine is less effective against the delta variant so any further mutations may be even more vaccine resistant and therefore potentially make the vaccine programme a waste of time.
Sorry but your post is a bit contradictory. The number of fully vaccinated people requiring Hospital intervention being "much lower" indicates that the vaccine does stop people getting sick and dying.
The data has shown an above 80% reduction of hospitalizations of those fully vaccinated and a 65% reduction of infection rate for those protected.
Cal
I think you are actually both agreeing. The vaccine doesn't 100% 'stop' infection. It reduces it and also can reduce severity. "
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