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"After watching that, I'm definitely not taking the covid vaccine. Thank you channel 4, stay safe all." Were you watching a different programme? | |||
"After watching that, I'm definitely not taking the covid vaccine. Thank you channel 4, stay safe all. Were you watching a different programme?" I think he must have been. I anything should persuade anyone to get the vaccine that was it. The vast majority of antivax propaganda is being is being promoted by a small number of wealthy people who are making a fortune from their lies. | |||
"After watching that, I'm definitely not taking the covid vaccine. Thank you channel 4, stay safe all." So you are saying you don't believe the programme then? I thought it was very believable..and hopefully will stop people clutching at straws for any kind if 'snake oil' cure for Covid :/ | |||
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"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe " Seriously, don’t believe everything you read on Facebook. The AZ vaccine has been very thoroughly tested and is safe | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe " Nothing is safe..not fully. AZ is pretty safe /very safe..but nine if the vaccines are 100 percent safe..and that goes for all of them not just civic ones..it shouldn't stop people taking them though. Consider Paracetemol and how many people use it regularly..yet it is not safe.. That's just how medicine is. Let's be fair though FB are hardly the 'go to' for truthful medical evidence let's face it.. | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Nothing is safe..not fully. AZ is pretty safe /very safe..but nine if the vaccines are 100 percent safe..and that goes for all of them not just civic ones..it shouldn't stop people taking them though. Consider Paracetemol and how many people use it regularly..yet it is not safe.. That's just how medicine is. Let's be fair though FB are hardly the 'go to' for truthful medical evidence let's face it.." Total misinformation, there isn't one let alone nine vaccines that are 100% safe. | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe " Safe is relative. For the overwhelming majority of people (like all but one in hundreds of thousands or less) there'll be short term side effects. For a teeny tiny minority of people there are more serious things. This is the same as all medicines - in fact, this is safer than many other medicines. I don't know exactly what they're doing, but more monitoring is only a good thing. | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Nothing is safe..not fully. AZ is pretty safe /very safe..but nine if the vaccines are 100 percent safe..and that goes for all of them not just civic ones..it shouldn't stop people taking them though. Consider Paracetemol and how many people use it regularly..yet it is not safe.. That's just how medicine is. Let's be fair though FB are hardly the 'go to' for truthful medical evidence let's face it.. Total misinformation, there isn't one let alone nine vaccines that are 100% safe." Water isn't 100% safe. Hope this helps  | |||
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"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Nothing is safe..not fully. AZ is pretty safe /very safe..but nine if the vaccines are 100 percent safe..and that goes for all of them not just civic ones..it shouldn't stop people taking them though. Consider Paracetemol and how many people use it regularly..yet it is not safe.. That's just how medicine is. Let's be fair though FB are hardly the 'go to' for truthful medical evidence let's face it.. Total misinformation, there isn't one let alone nine vaccines that are 100% safe. Water isn't 100% safe. Hope this helps "To be clear..I meant 'none' not 'nine' ..rubbish text editor in this phone! So absolutely no vaccine is 100 percent safe.. Just probably super safe..and that's why I imagine people are happy to take it.. | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Nothing is safe..not fully. AZ is pretty safe /very safe..but nine if the vaccines are 100 percent safe..and that goes for all of them not just civic ones..it shouldn't stop people taking them though. Consider Paracetemol and how many people use it regularly..yet it is not safe.. That's just how medicine is. Let's be fair though FB are hardly the 'go to' for truthful medical evidence let's face it.. Total misinformation, there isn't one let alone nine vaccines that are 100% safe." pretty sure it was a typo for none and civic was covid as queen of the typo myself im decent at reading the context rather than the words lol | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Nothing is safe..not fully. AZ is pretty safe /very safe..but nine if the vaccines are 100 percent safe..and that goes for all of them not just civic ones..it shouldn't stop people taking them though. Consider Paracetemol and how many people use it regularly..yet it is not safe.. That's just how medicine is. Let's be fair though FB are hardly the 'go to' for truthful medical evidence let's face it.. Total misinformation, there isn't one let alone nine vaccines that are 100% safe. Water isn't 100% safe. Hope this helps
To be clear..I meant 'none' not 'nine' ..rubbish text editor in this phone!
So absolutely no vaccine is 100 percent safe.. Just probably super safe..and that's why I imagine people are happy to take it..
"Yes - they're incredibly safe. Obviously risks exist and we need to keep watching for them, but this all or nothing is unhelpful. | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Safe is relative. For the overwhelming majority of people (like all but one in hundreds of thousands or less) there'll be short term side effects. For a teeny tiny minority of people there are more serious things. This is the same as all medicines - in fact, this is safer than many other medicines. I don't know exactly what they're doing, but more monitoring is only a good thing." I've just seen an anti vax appeal on Facebook pleading with people to "join the movement ". I would suspect that any Facebook "study" will have a motive behind it. If anyone wants to help with any scientific study the covid 19 app by Zoe is reliable. | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Safe is relative. For the overwhelming majority of people (like all but one in hundreds of thousands or less) there'll be short term side effects. For a teeny tiny minority of people there are more serious things. This is the same as all medicines - in fact, this is safer than many other medicines. I don't know exactly what they're doing, but more monitoring is only a good thing. I've just seen an anti vax appeal on Facebook pleading with people to "join the movement ". I would suspect that any Facebook "study" will have a motive behind it. If anyone wants to help with any scientific study the covid 19 app by Zoe is reliable. " I do the Zoe app every day - plus the app for the clinical trial I'm on. (do feel a bit weird hitting "I haven't had a vaccine" in Zoe, but trial ones don't count yet) | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Nothing is safe..not fully. AZ is pretty safe /very safe..but nine if the vaccines are 100 percent safe..and that goes for all of them not just civic ones..it shouldn't stop people taking them though. Consider Paracetemol and how many people use it regularly..yet it is not safe.. That's just how medicine is. Let's be fair though FB are hardly the 'go to' for truthful medical evidence let's face it.. Total misinformation, there isn't one let alone nine vaccines that are 100% safe. pretty sure it was a typo for none and civic was covid as queen of the typo myself im decent at reading the context rather than the words lol " I'm not great .though I do find same issue using Fab on laptop too..really hard to edit these text boxes and some of them have a mind of their own and write what they like! I make about 80% less typos on other sites.. But that could be just coincidence 
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"I'm watching it. Its interesting but not revolutionary.... Concluding that it's predominantly money making is no surprise. The same could be said of most of the pharma companies. The sad thing is govts are not prepared to shut them down. And the fact its become a rallying cry for all things anti.. Be I teretaing to know how many deaths they are responsible for. " That and how sinister is Andrew Wakefield? He could be a hollywood baddie | |||
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"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial." I'm taking an experimental vaccine It's fun. You get biscuits. | |||
"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. I'm taking an experimental vaccine It's fun. You get biscuits." You didnt even get a cup of tea?? When I was doing research I offered all my participants tea and biccies ?? but I did make them do 2 vo2 max tests so was the least I could do! | |||
"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial." I thought it was used very effectively to get people straight away to dismiss the anti vaccine claims and the snake oil salesmen.. Probably to promote getting the vaccine without any fear or concerns of these ridiculous side effects claims .. There was an obvious side story linked to following where the money came from and where it went to..though that's nothing new. | |||
"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. I'm taking an experimental vaccine It's fun. You get biscuits." That's wonderful, totally worth it for the biscuits, make sure you have two doses, the booster and the annual vaccines for life | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Nothing is safe..not fully. AZ is pretty safe /very safe..but nine if the vaccines are 100 percent safe..and that goes for all of them not just civic ones..it shouldn't stop people taking them though. Consider Paracetemol and how many people use it regularly..yet it is not safe.. That's just how medicine is. Let's be fair though FB are hardly the 'go to' for truthful medical evidence let's face it.." Sadly it seems to be for some of the clowns on here.... | |||
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"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. I'm taking an experimental vaccine It's fun. You get biscuits. You didnt even get a cup of tea?? When I was doing research I offered all my participants tea and biccies ?? but I did make them do 2 vo2 max tests so was the least I could do!" Masks are a bummer, man. | |||
"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial." The trials were done months ago....prior to be given approval. It's language like that that gives ammunition to the anti-vax morons. | |||
"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. The trials were done months ago....prior to be given approval. It's language like that that gives ammunition to the anti-vax morons." Put your hands up in the air , put your hands up in the air, if you regret rushing in and having a so called vaccine , | |||
"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. The trials were done months ago....prior to be given approval. It's language like that that gives ammunition to the anti-vax morons. Put your hands up in the air , put your hands up in the air, if you regret rushing in and having a so called vaccine , " Yawn | |||
"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. The trials were done months ago....prior to be given approval. It's language like that that gives ammunition to the anti-vax morons. Put your hands up in the air , put your hands up in the air, if you regret rushing in and having a so called vaccine , Yawn" Yay sone one who thinks the same yay friends | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe " The several different vaccines that we have have probably been the most heavily researched, evaluated and under the most intense scrutiny than any medical advance in the history of the world. This includes intensive scrutiny of post-vaccination results and effects. It's great that you're interested. Some others here have been involved in researching the vaccines, including Inaswingdress, who's currently in a double blind trial, of 1 of the current ones and another one. She's posted a few times about it and you may find that type of evaluation interesting too. | |||
"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. The trials were done months ago....prior to be given approval. It's language like that that gives ammunition to the anti-vax morons. Put your hands up in the air , put your hands up in the air, if you regret rushing in and having a so called vaccine , Yawn Yay sone one who thinks the same yay friends " Lol you are even more misguided than I thought | |||
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"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. I'm taking an experimental vaccine It's fun. You get biscuits." Chocolate? The ones with the individual foil wrappers, and really thick choc when you open them up? | |||
"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. The trials were done months ago....prior to be given approval. It's language like that that gives ammunition to the anti-vax morons. Put your hands up in the air , put your hands up in the air, if you regret rushing in and having a so called vaccine , Yawn Yay sone one who thinks the same yay friends Lol you are even more misguided than I thought" Yay vaccine friends , let’s get a blood clot together yey | |||
"It’s not a study by f.book though it’s a study for the drug safety research unit in Southampton. It’s just advertised on there " More safety monitoring is a good thing, isn't it? More eyes on it, making sure it's all ok. I'm confident everyone has done their best to make it as safe as it can be - I know you're not, and I respect that - but surely, either way, more checking helps | |||
"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. I'm taking an experimental vaccine It's fun. You get biscuits. Chocolate? The ones with the individual foil wrappers, and really thick choc when you open them up?" Alas no. Did get a jab though, that was even better | |||
"I'd love to listen to a debate between Piers and Jeremy Corbyn " Piers "taught me" maths at uni... Seemed a bit of a "free thinker" at the time... | |||
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"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. I'm taking an experimental vaccine It's fun. You get biscuits. Chocolate? The ones with the individual foil wrappers, and really thick choc when you open them up?" those sound like not just any biscuits - those sound like m&s biscuits disclaimer other choccy biscuits are available nut their foil wrapped ones in the mixed boxes are THE BEST | |||
"I saw part of the programme, as I got in late. It was definitely very thought provoking and quite disturbing, including how much power a few people have, including earning phenomenal levels of wealth, off the back of manipulating of millions of people around the world. Instead of $Big Pharma earnings, we get $Big Antixas "Big Vitamin, Big Supplement. Brave Mavericks who are daring to defy The Man, curing you of pharma shill, only $49.98 a month. It's horrifying people fall for this crap. | |||
"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. The trials were done months ago....prior to be given approval. It's language like that that gives ammunition to the anti-vax morons. Put your hands up in the air , put your hands up in the air, if you regret rushing in and having a so called vaccine , Yawn Yay sone one who thinks the same yay friends Lol you are even more misguided than I thought Yay vaccine friends , let’s get a blood clot together yey" Unfortunately for you, according to your logic, you have a 2000 times more chance of catching Covid and being asymptomatic and then being hit by a bus. Fares please  | |||
" The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. I thought it was used very effectively to get people straight away to dismiss the anti vaccine claims and the snake oil salesmen.. Probably to promote getting the vaccine without any fear or concerns of these ridiculous side effects claims .. There was an obvious side story linked to following where the money came from and where it went to..though that's nothing new." Do you willfully ignore those that died from the vaccine? | |||
" The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. I thought it was used very effectively to get people straight away to dismiss the anti vaccine claims and the snake oil salesmen.. Probably to promote getting the vaccine without any fear or concerns of these ridiculous side effects claims .. There was an obvious side story linked to following where the money came from and where it went to..though that's nothing new. Do you willfully ignore those that died from the vaccine?" Do you wilfully ignore those that have died from the virus? | |||
" The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. I thought it was used very effectively to get people straight away to dismiss the anti vaccine claims and the snake oil salesmen.. Probably to promote getting the vaccine without any fear or concerns of these ridiculous side effects claims .. There was an obvious side story linked to following where the money came from and where it went to..though that's nothing new. Do you willfully ignore those that died from the vaccine? Do you wilfully ignore those that have died from the virus?" What's your point? One thing kills us so we should take another thing that kills us on the off chance that covid doesn't get from you to someone else? | |||
" The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. I thought it was used very effectively to get people straight away to dismiss the anti vaccine claims and the snake oil salesmen.. Probably to promote getting the vaccine without any fear or concerns of these ridiculous side effects claims .. There was an obvious side story linked to following where the money came from and where it went to..though that's nothing new. Do you willfully ignore those that died from the vaccine? Do you wilfully ignore those that have died from the virus? What's your point? One thing kills us so we should take another thing that kills us on the off chance that covid doesn't get from you to someone else? " Out of interest how many people do you believe have died in the Uk from having the vaccine? | |||
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"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. The trials were done months ago....prior to be given approval. It's language like that that gives ammunition to the anti-vax morons. Put your hands up in the air , put your hands up in the air, if you regret rushing in and having a so called vaccine , Yawn Yay sone one who thinks the same yay friends Lol you are even more misguided than I thought Yay vaccine friends , let’s get a blood clot together yey Unfortunately for you, according to your logic, you have a 2000 times more chance of catching Covid and being asymptomatic and then being hit by a bus. Fares please "I’ll take my chances , you know sharing is caring | |||
"The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. The trials were done months ago....prior to be given approval. It's language like that that gives ammunition to the anti-vax morons. Put your hands up in the air , put your hands up in the air, if you regret rushing in and having a so called vaccine , Yawn Yay sone one who thinks the same yay friends Lol you are even more misguided than I thought Yay vaccine friends , let’s get a blood clot together yey Unfortunately for you, according to your logic, you have a 2000 times more chance of catching Covid and being asymptomatic and then being hit by a bus. Fares please
I’ll take my chances , you know sharing is caring "That must go down well with the women on this site. You like sharing infections with them | |||
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" The programme fulfilled its objective in getting people to question the narrative and to think carefully before taking an experimental vaccine still in trial. I thought it was used very effectively to get people straight away to dismiss the anti vaccine claims and the snake oil salesmen.. Probably to promote getting the vaccine without any fear or concerns of these ridiculous side effects claims .. There was an obvious side story linked to following where the money came from and where it went to..though that's nothing new. Do you willfully ignore those that died from the vaccine?" I don't ignore anyone..particularly any victims of something man made or experimental. However , if the data is to be believed. On a statistical level I do largely discount the relatively small numbers as far as anything worthwhile is concerned that would justify stopping the use of a vaccine at the moment . The numbers of people who have died directly through taking the vaccine and who had no pre existing conditions that would have an impact on the virus are very very small indeed .Then when calculated as a percentage of the overall total who have had the vaccine with no complications etc I have to say the results pretty much justify what we are doing now. On an emotional level losing a partner or loved one is tragic..However the number of those who haven't do not adequately prove we should stop giving out the vaccine and doing our best to get the world back on its feet again .In my opinion. | |||
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"What needs to be understood is for some the jab isnt always the best choice. I've been more poorly 10 weeks after the jab than i have ever felt, and i barely get ill. Fed up of headaches all be it mild, dizzy spells, chronic fatigue and lethargy. I won't be having the 2nd one, i just couldnt bear to be any worse than this. Ive reported it on yellow card system. If your good with the jab fair enough, guess for me ive been one of the many unlucky ones. " Please do speak to your doctor to see if you can get help. No one denies that for some people the vaccines will have bad effects. | |||
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"What needs to be understood is for some the jab isnt always the best choice. I've been more poorly 10 weeks after the jab than i have ever felt, and i barely get ill. Fed up of headaches all be it mild, dizzy spells, chronic fatigue and lethargy. I won't be having the 2nd one, i just couldnt bear to be any worse than this. Ive reported it on yellow card system. If your good with the jab fair enough, guess for me ive been one of the many unlucky ones. " It’s good that you reported it. That’s all useful feedback | |||
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"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. " Search adverse vaccine reports | |||
"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. " The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time. | |||
"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time." It’s a bit like ‘died with COVID’ | |||
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"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time. It’s a bit like ‘died with COVID’" Death certificates offer the answer at this stage - they're at the same standard as any other death certificate in this country, and the figures are available from the ONS. Hope this helps | |||
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"Im very anti Vax. Henry Hoover's are the way forward. "Yeah and Dysons are crap (style over substance) and if you have pets the Shark is the way to go!!!!! | |||
"Im very anti Vax. Henry Hoover's are the way forward.
Yeah and Dysons are crap (style over substance) and if you have pets the Shark is the way to go!!!!!"I had a Dyson once, one of the cordless animal ones. I accidentally ran over a tiny amount of water and it totally destroyed it. Dysons suck! | |||
"Real men dont need jabs "Real men are a dying breed... Dying of tetanus, tuberculosis, measles, mumps, influenza, bacterial infections, pneumonia, hormone imbalance disorders, any minor bone injury, meningitis, kidney stones, ulcers, pertussis, diabetes, and hundreds of other complaints that are treated by the modern medicine that "real men" don't need...  | |||
"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time." Kind of hard to report it if you're dead too. | |||
"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time. Kind of hard to report it if you're dead too. " Doctors or family can report. | |||
"Im very anti Vax. Henry Hoover's are the way forward. "Funnily enough my vax clots so quickly I have to hoover it out with my sebo to get it to work for 5 minutes before it clots again. | |||
"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time. Kind of hard to report it if you're dead too. Doctors or family can report." Too sensible and impossible if there's a conspiracy  | |||
"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time. Kind of hard to report it if you're dead too. Doctors or family can report. Too sensible and impossible if there's a conspiracy "Of course. Icke's razor. If there's a sensible option it must be a conspiracy. | |||
"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time. Kind of hard to report it if you're dead too. Doctors or family can report." Can being the key word. A bit random isn't it? | |||
"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time. Kind of hard to report it if you're dead too. Doctors or family can report. Can being the key word. A bit random isn't it? " Yes, but it's what exists. (Other things exist too) Epidemiologists go through what's there. The "Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data" site (US gov, not sure if I can link) is useful. | |||
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" Rather good prog and shows with out a shadow of a doubt it's all about "Money" and the rise of snake oil salesmen and actually encouraging desperate parents to get their children to ingest bleach ?/ they are some very very very very sick people who should be in jail "It's unbelievably horrifying what they get up to. And the manipulation they carry out to achieve their ends, often against vulnerable, desperate people - or just the gullible. | |||
"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time. Kind of hard to report it if you're dead too. Doctors or family can report. Can being the key word. A bit random isn't it? Yes, but it's what exists. (Other things exist too) Epidemiologists go through what's there. The "Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data" site (US gov, not sure if I can link) is useful." From the above then is it reaosnable to conclude that .. Nobody knows? There are no accepted accurate published numbers. So nobody knows whether loads of people have died from the vaccines... Or none at all... Or something in between.? Kind of makes the debate a bit moot doesn't it? And the positions people are taking are based on prejudiced feelings more than available data? | |||
"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time. Kind of hard to report it if you're dead too. Doctors or family can report. Can being the key word. A bit random isn't it? Yes, but it's what exists. (Other things exist too) Epidemiologists go through what's there. The "Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data" site (US gov, not sure if I can link) is useful. From the above then is it reaosnable to conclude that .. Nobody knows? There are no accepted accurate published numbers. So nobody knows whether loads of people have died from the vaccines... Or none at all... Or something in between.? Kind of makes the debate a bit moot doesn't it? And the positions people are taking are based on prejudiced feelings more than available data? " Nobody knows 100% absolutely for certain, but there are better ways of interpreting the data than others. Reports are made and investigated, patterns are investigated. It's one of the things that epidemiologists do. (We shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good - if you remember the news cycle around the blood clots, they said it wasn't a thing, they kept looking, now they know it is although it's quite rare, they're still working on it. This actually happens with all medicines, although usually not so publicly) | |||
"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time. Kind of hard to report it if you're dead too. Doctors or family can report. Can being the key word. A bit random isn't it? Yes, but it's what exists. (Other things exist too) Epidemiologists go through what's there. The "Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data" site (US gov, not sure if I can link) is useful. From the above then is it reaosnable to conclude that .. Nobody knows? There are no accepted accurate published numbers. So nobody knows whether loads of people have died from the vaccines... Or none at all... Or something in between.? Kind of makes the debate a bit moot doesn't it? And the positions people are taking are based on prejudiced feelings more than available data? Nobody knows 100% absolutely for certain, but there are better ways of interpreting the data than others. Reports are made and investigated, patterns are investigated. It's one of the things that epidemiologists do. (We shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good - if you remember the news cycle around the blood clots, they said it wasn't a thing, they kept looking, now they know it is although it's quite rare, they're still working on it. This actually happens with all medicines, although usually not so publicly)" I agree mostly but it's when positions are taken, statements made so confidently, FACT... And actually they are based on nothing of the sort. Or can even point to a set of data which has an approximation or estimation in support of their position. Just to shout it louder and more often. Show us the facts! One would hope however that in all of the trials that were done in more controlled circumstances, that they would know if anyone had died from a vaccine.... Or not. Or how many. And that would be reassuring to be made available and communicated. The trouble is... A vacuum will get filled with all kinds of random crap. Surely the knobs realise this and would be better off filling the void with what we do have data based facts about? I'm not suggesting conspiracy. I'm suggesting the absence of such intelligent statements allows other statements to be made which can be harmful and diverting of our attention. | |||
"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time. Kind of hard to report it if you're dead too. Doctors or family can report. Can being the key word. A bit random isn't it? Yes, but it's what exists. (Other things exist too) Epidemiologists go through what's there. The "Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data" site (US gov, not sure if I can link) is useful. From the above then is it reaosnable to conclude that .. Nobody knows? There are no accepted accurate published numbers. So nobody knows whether loads of people have died from the vaccines... Or none at all... Or something in between.? Kind of makes the debate a bit moot doesn't it? And the positions people are taking are based on prejudiced feelings more than available data? Nobody knows 100% absolutely for certain, but there are better ways of interpreting the data than others. Reports are made and investigated, patterns are investigated. It's one of the things that epidemiologists do. (We shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good - if you remember the news cycle around the blood clots, they said it wasn't a thing, they kept looking, now they know it is although it's quite rare, they're still working on it. This actually happens with all medicines, although usually not so publicly) I agree mostly but it's when positions are taken, statements made so confidently, FACT... And actually they are based on nothing of the sort. Or can even point to a set of data which has an approximation or estimation in support of their position. Just to shout it louder and more often. Show us the facts! One would hope however that in all of the trials that were done in more controlled circumstances, that they would know if anyone had died from a vaccine.... Or not. Or how many. And that would be reassuring to be made available and communicated. The trouble is... A vacuum will get filled with all kinds of random crap. Surely the knobs realise this and would be better off filling the void with what we do have data based facts about? I'm not suggesting conspiracy. I'm suggesting the absence of such intelligent statements allows other statements to be made which can be harmful and diverting of our attention. " I suppose one fact is that April 2021 saw less deaths than the 5 year average. This doesn’t tend to suggest that the vaccines are causing excessive deaths. Unlike the virus that caused excessive deaths in both waves when compared to the 5 year average. It has to be remembered that the number of people vaccinated is also higher than the number of people who have tested positive (even if you quadrupled the official number who have tested positive). | |||
"Serious question. Does anyone know how many have died from being vaccinated? And their demographic. I see both sides of the argument here.... One says "loads have died" the other says "very few have died" and neither side cite any reputable source of data. The short answer is no, not yet. There are a number of ways in which these things are reported. The most common is the yellow card scheme (US VAERS). The problem with these is that anyone can add anything, whether it happened or not, whether it's a real association or not (I got jabbed then hit by the number 28 days Covid bus). They're useful warning systems which epidemiologists use to look for real associations - we saw this happen in real time with the Oxford AZ blood clots. But they rely on reports, which could be unrelated (John Doe died the day after X jab. In an alternate universe he would have died that day without the jab), underreported, over reported, or just plain made up (the famous case of a VAERS report of being turned into the Incredible Hulk is famous for a reason). Disentangling the data will take time. Kind of hard to report it if you're dead too. Doctors or family can report. Can being the key word. A bit random isn't it? Yes, but it's what exists. (Other things exist too) Epidemiologists go through what's there. The "Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data" site (US gov, not sure if I can link) is useful. From the above then is it reaosnable to conclude that .. Nobody knows? There are no accepted accurate published numbers. So nobody knows whether loads of people have died from the vaccines... Or none at all... Or something in between.? Kind of makes the debate a bit moot doesn't it? And the positions people are taking are based on prejudiced feelings more than available data? Nobody knows 100% absolutely for certain, but there are better ways of interpreting the data than others. Reports are made and investigated, patterns are investigated. It's one of the things that epidemiologists do. (We shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good - if you remember the news cycle around the blood clots, they said it wasn't a thing, they kept looking, now they know it is although it's quite rare, they're still working on it. This actually happens with all medicines, although usually not so publicly) I agree mostly but it's when positions are taken, statements made so confidently, FACT... And actually they are based on nothing of the sort. Or can even point to a set of data which has an approximation or estimation in support of their position. Just to shout it louder and more often. Show us the facts! One would hope however that in all of the trials that were done in more controlled circumstances, that they would know if anyone had died from a vaccine.... Or not. Or how many. And that would be reassuring to be made available and communicated. The trouble is... A vacuum will get filled with all kinds of random crap. Surely the knobs realise this and would be better off filling the void with what we do have data based facts about? I'm not suggesting conspiracy. I'm suggesting the absence of such intelligent statements allows other statements to be made which can be harmful and diverting of our attention. " The trials were/are done in more controlled circumstances. But "this causes X problems in 30 000 people" is a starting point - from which we continue and will continue to gather data. VAERS/ yellow card and other systems are part of that (can be used and abused). For example, I can say definitively that the phase 1/2 study of the trial I'm on showed that 2 people had symptoms lasting over a day. The UK phase 3 trial is thousands of people - anything rarer will come up at that point. But rarer than thousands will need more people again. It's up to the people investigating to determine, with the actual evidence, if adverse effects are caused by the vaccine or not. There's no definitive proof. Unfortunately the people screaming nonsense will do so regardless. And it's very hard to say "well, there's no evidence to suggest that, people are looking into it, here's the signs due diligence is being done, but no of course nothing is ever 100% certain" when people are screaming genocide new world order blah blah blah. Just because we're not 100% sure, doesn't mean the conspiracy mongering has merit. | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe " Safety isn't a one-off event. | |||
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"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Nothing is safe..not fully. AZ is pretty safe /very safe..but nine if the vaccines are 100 percent safe..and that goes for all of them not just civic ones..it shouldn't stop people taking them though. Consider Paracetemol and how many people use it regularly..yet it is not safe.. That's just how medicine is. Let's be fair though FB are hardly the 'go to' for truthful medical evidence let's face it.. Total misinformation, there isn't one let alone nine vaccines that are 100% safe." Think that was meant to be ‘none’ | |||
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"This channel 4 programme was interesting, but I was surprised that there was considerable focus on the (old) MMR Wakefield story, rather than Covid, per se; but they had to set the exploitative medical nutters in context. Although I had previously been aware of the use of industrial bleach for the treatment of autism, to see vomited stomach linings on screen was shocking. Desperate people will try anything to solve their medical problems, but exploitative charlatans (modern snake oil salesmen) need to be struck off, after due process by the professional body. It is good to hear alternative points of view, but all things considered vaccines have been beneficial to humans worldwide." It's because this is where all the anti vaxxers have come from and illustrates their agenda | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Seriously, don’t believe everything you read on Facebook. The AZ vaccine has been very thoroughly tested and is safe" Maybe that's why over 15 countries have now banned it. | |||
"This channel 4 programme was interesting, but I was surprised that there was considerable focus on the (old) MMR Wakefield story, rather than Covid, per se; but they had to set the exploitative medical nutters in context. Although I had previously been aware of the use of industrial bleach for the treatment of autism, to see vomited stomach linings on screen was shocking. Desperate people will try anything to solve their medical problems, but exploitative charlatans (modern snake oil salesmen) need to be struck off, after due process by the professional body. It is good to hear alternative points of view, but all things considered vaccines have been beneficial to humans worldwide."
And the Covid vaccines have been hugely beneficial too.
For us it's been a case of enduring restrictions, lockdown etc and the resultant damage or have the vaccines. Some people want cloud cuckoo land, with neither | |||
"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Nothing is safe..not fully. AZ is pretty safe /very safe..but nine if the vaccines are 100 percent safe..and that goes for all of them not just civic ones..it shouldn't stop people taking them though. Consider Paracetemol and how many people use it regularly..yet it is not safe.. That's just how medicine is. Let's be fair though FB are hardly the 'go to' for truthful medical evidence let's face it.. Total misinformation, there isn't one let alone nine vaccines that are 100% safe. Water isn't 100% safe. Hope this helps "Water isn't the colour it comes via the taps, if the chemicals weren't in the water, people wouldn't be drinking it because it looks brown | |||
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"After watching that, I'm definitely not taking the covid vaccine. Thank you channel 4, stay safe all. Were you watching a different programme?" They looking for a reaction and now got it | |||
"This channel 4 programme was interesting, but I was surprised that there was considerable focus on the (old) MMR Wakefield story, rather than Covid, per se; but they had to set the exploitative medical nutters in context. Although I had previously been aware of the use of industrial bleach for the treatment of autism, to see vomited stomach linings on screen was shocking. Desperate people will try anything to solve their medical problems, but exploitative charlatans (modern snake oil salesmen) need to be struck off, after due process by the professional body. It is good to hear alternative points of view, but all things considered vaccines have been beneficial to humans worldwide. It's because this is where all the anti vaxxers have come from and illustrates their agenda" It has roots before that, but Wakefield is very much the father of the modern anti vax movement - and most of the arguments are recycled and repurposed from then. | |||
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"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Nothing is safe..not fully. AZ is pretty safe /very safe..but nine if the vaccines are 100 percent safe..and that goes for all of them not just civic ones..it shouldn't stop people taking them though. Consider Paracetemol and how many people use it regularly..yet it is not safe.. That's just how medicine is. Let's be fair though FB are hardly the 'go to' for truthful medical evidence let's face it.. Total misinformation, there isn't one let alone nine vaccines that are 100% safe. Water isn't 100% safe. Hope this helps
Water isn't the colour it comes via the taps, if the chemicals weren't in the water, people wouldn't be drinking it because it looks brown "Drinking water??? That's a fishes home you sicko lol.. 
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"What has worried me more then the programme is an advert on f.book asking people who have had the AZ vaccine to take part in online study to monitor its safety? I thought it was safe Nothing is safe..not fully. AZ is pretty safe /very safe..but nine if the vaccines are 100 percent safe..and that goes for all of them not just civic ones..it shouldn't stop people taking them though. Consider Paracetemol and how many people use it regularly..yet it is not safe.. That's just how medicine is. Let's be fair though FB are hardly the 'go to' for truthful medical evidence let's face it.. Total misinformation, there isn't one let alone nine vaccines that are 100% safe. Water isn't 100% safe. Hope this helps
Water isn't the colour it comes via the taps, if the chemicals weren't in the water, people wouldn't be drinking it because it looks brown "I have d*unk water from plenty of streams over the years whilst hiking and it was definately crystal clear when it came out of the mountain side if it had looked brown I wouldn't have been drinking it so I'm not sure where you get the idea it's only the chemicals in drinking water that make it clear? | |||
"Look at Rick Wiles, a very prominent anti vaxxer. Has been admitted to hospital with Covid, wonder if he will change his mibd? " Probably not I know if a local pharmacist that has had covid and still doesn't believe it's real | |||
"Look at Rick Wiles, a very prominent anti vaxxer. Has been admitted to hospital with Covid, wonder if he will change his mibd? Probably not I know if a local pharmacist that has had covid and still doesn't believe it's real "You'd think a pharmacist would know better - but nothing shocks me anymore | |||
"Look at Rick Wiles, a very prominent anti vaxxer. Has been admitted to hospital with Covid, wonder if he will change his mibd? Probably not I know if a local pharmacist that has had covid and still doesn't believe it's real
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"Look at Rick Wiles, a very prominent anti vaxxer. Has been admitted to hospital with Covid, wonder if he will change his mibd? Probably not I know if a local pharmacist that has had covid and still doesn't believe it's real
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"Look at Rick Wiles, a very prominent anti vaxxer. Has been admitted to hospital with Covid, wonder if he will change his mibd? Probably not I know if a local pharmacist that has had covid and still doesn't believe it's real
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" It's a double edged sword though and feel for the scientists as due to many science led advances more people are staying alive and of course not forgetting vaccines have saved billions of lives ?? and it makes me think what happens if all these Anti vax and so Anti science lot do when they get ill or have a accident ?? Myself i would open a Hospital just for them with out of course any kind of medical experts but some people dancing,chanting and using crystals and offering to Pour coffee up their bum with a few candles that smell like a vagina and if that failed call in the local priest and the leeches etc etc and send them on their way with some mud balm and a jar of leeches !! and tell them to blame the evil spirits and or satan for their illness !! "Maybe that was the plan for the nightingale hospitals | |||
" It's a double edged sword though and feel for the scientists as due to many science led advances more people are staying alive and of course not forgetting vaccines have saved billions of lives ?? and it makes me think what happens if all these Anti vax and so Anti science lot do when they get ill or have a accident ?? Myself i would open a Hospital just for them with out of course any kind of medical experts but some people dancing,chanting and using crystals and offering to Pour coffee up their bum with a few candles that smell like a vagina and if that failed call in the local priest and the leeches etc etc and send them on their way with some mud balm and a jar of leeches !! and tell them to blame the evil spirits and or satan for their illness !!
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"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? " Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. " The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? " I’m sure it’s no more open to abuse than people claiming to have long covid | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? " Google VAERS Incredible Hulk... | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? " And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. " Anyone can enter anything. Verified or not. Dr mickey mouse reported the demise of patient goofy. Poor goofy. | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. " Not necessarily, they were allowing none medical professionals declare cause of death in care homes last year. I hope this has changed. | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. Anyone can enter anything. Verified or not. Dr mickey mouse reported the demise of patient goofy. Poor goofy. " In most cases reports from these kind of things are under reported. I'm a pro vaxer but there is certainly the possibility of under reporting. I could be wrong but you have to put your batch number on the yellow card? so unless you are very determined to guess then only vaccinated people will put up symptoms. Yeah they could put up that they grew an extra nipple but would be the vast minority. It's only used when there is something that needs further investigation. I havent put mine up yet because I was halfway through and messed part of it up and forgot to go back and finish it | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. Anyone can enter anything. Verified or not. Dr mickey mouse reported the demise of patient goofy. Poor goofy. In most cases reports from these kind of things are under reported. I'm a pro vaxer but there is certainly the possibility of under reporting. I could be wrong but you have to put your batch number on the yellow card? so unless you are very determined to guess then only vaccinated people will put up symptoms. Yeah they could put up that they grew an extra nipple but would be the vast minority. It's only used when there is something that needs further investigation. I havent put mine up yet because I was halfway through and messed part of it up and forgot to go back and finish it " I heard re VAERS, which is the US system, that they suspect that for Covid it's being over reported because everyone is a bit hyper vigilant, whereas normally you'd be like "meh, I'm not filling in a form for a sore arm" | |||
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"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. Anyone can enter anything. Verified or not. Dr mickey mouse reported the demise of patient goofy. Poor goofy. In most cases reports from these kind of things are under reported. I'm a pro vaxer but there is certainly the possibility of under reporting. I could be wrong but you have to put your batch number on the yellow card? so unless you are very determined to guess then only vaccinated people will put up symptoms. Yeah they could put up that they grew an extra nipple but would be the vast minority. It's only used when there is something that needs further investigation. I havent put mine up yet because I was halfway through and messed part of it up and forgot to go back and finish it I heard re VAERS, which is the US system, that they suspect that for Covid it's being over reported because everyone is a bit hyper vigilant, whereas normally you'd be like "meh, I'm not filling in a form for a sore arm"" Certainly a possibility but hopefully batch numbers and stuff required on that also. If anyone can write on that then wouldnt really take is as gospel. Not that I take mhra the same | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. Anyone can enter anything. Verified or not. Dr mickey mouse reported the demise of patient goofy. Poor goofy. In most cases reports from these kind of things are under reported. I'm a pro vaxer but there is certainly the possibility of under reporting. I could be wrong but you have to put your batch number on the yellow card? so unless you are very determined to guess then only vaccinated people will put up symptoms. Yeah they could put up that they grew an extra nipple but would be the vast minority. It's only used when there is something that needs further investigation. I havent put mine up yet because I was halfway through and messed part of it up and forgot to go back and finish it I heard re VAERS, which is the US system, that they suspect that for Covid it's being over reported because everyone is a bit hyper vigilant, whereas normally you'd be like "meh, I'm not filling in a form for a sore arm" Certainly a possibility but hopefully batch numbers and stuff required on that also. If anyone can write on that then wouldnt really take is as gospel. Not that I take mhra the same "People do talk about "VAERS dumpster diving" for a reason... I'm not 100% sure on the yellow card, but I certainly wouldn't be inclined to infer much from the raw data. | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. Anyone can enter anything. Verified or not. Dr mickey mouse reported the demise of patient goofy. Poor goofy. In most cases reports from these kind of things are under reported. I'm a pro vaxer but there is certainly the possibility of under reporting. I could be wrong but you have to put your batch number on the yellow card? so unless you are very determined to guess then only vaccinated people will put up symptoms. Yeah they could put up that they grew an extra nipple but would be the vast minority. It's only used when there is something that needs further investigation. I havent put mine up yet because I was halfway through and messed part of it up and forgot to go back and finish it I heard re VAERS, which is the US system, that they suspect that for Covid it's being over reported because everyone is a bit hyper vigilant, whereas normally you'd be like "meh, I'm not filling in a form for a sore arm" Certainly a possibility but hopefully batch numbers and stuff required on that also. If anyone can write on that then wouldnt really take is as gospel. Not that I take mhra the same
People do talk about "VAERS dumpster diving" for a reason...
I'm not 100% sure on the yellow card, but I certainly wouldn't be inclined to infer much from the raw data."I think yellow card is great, yeah self reported data just a starting block. Gives researchers direction of what needs further research like the people complaining of hearing loss etc. The more people report the more they can look at the right things. I should go now and fill mine in while i remember! | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. Anyone can enter anything. Verified or not. Dr mickey mouse reported the demise of patient goofy. Poor goofy. In most cases reports from these kind of things are under reported. I'm a pro vaxer but there is certainly the possibility of under reporting. I could be wrong but you have to put your batch number on the yellow card? so unless you are very determined to guess then only vaccinated people will put up symptoms. Yeah they could put up that they grew an extra nipple but would be the vast minority. It's only used when there is something that needs further investigation. I havent put mine up yet because I was halfway through and messed part of it up and forgot to go back and finish it I heard re VAERS, which is the US system, that they suspect that for Covid it's being over reported because everyone is a bit hyper vigilant, whereas normally you'd be like "meh, I'm not filling in a form for a sore arm" Certainly a possibility but hopefully batch numbers and stuff required on that also. If anyone can write on that then wouldnt really take is as gospel. Not that I take mhra the same
People do talk about "VAERS dumpster diving" for a reason...
I'm not 100% sure on the yellow card, but I certainly wouldn't be inclined to infer much from the raw data.
I think yellow card is great, yeah self reported data just a starting block. Gives researchers direction of what needs further research like the people complaining of hearing loss etc. The more people report the more they can look at the right things. I should go now and fill mine in while i remember! "Absolutely! It's a useful tool, but a data set with limitations. | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. Anyone can enter anything. Verified or not. Dr mickey mouse reported the demise of patient goofy. Poor goofy. In most cases reports from these kind of things are under reported. I'm a pro vaxer but there is certainly the possibility of under reporting. I could be wrong but you have to put your batch number on the yellow card? so unless you are very determined to guess then only vaccinated people will put up symptoms. Yeah they could put up that they grew an extra nipple but would be the vast minority. It's only used when there is something that needs further investigation. I havent put mine up yet because I was halfway through and messed part of it up and forgot to go back and finish it " Pretty sure batch no is optional. Most things are optional on it. | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. Anyone can enter anything. Verified or not. Dr mickey mouse reported the demise of patient goofy. Poor goofy. In most cases reports from these kind of things are under reported. I'm a pro vaxer but there is certainly the possibility of under reporting. I could be wrong but you have to put your batch number on the yellow card? so unless you are very determined to guess then only vaccinated people will put up symptoms. Yeah they could put up that they grew an extra nipple but would be the vast minority. It's only used when there is something that needs further investigation. I havent put mine up yet because I was halfway through and messed part of it up and forgot to go back and finish it I heard re VAERS, which is the US system, that they suspect that for Covid it's being over reported because everyone is a bit hyper vigilant, whereas normally you'd be like "meh, I'm not filling in a form for a sore arm" Certainly a possibility but hopefully batch numbers and stuff required on that also. If anyone can write on that then wouldnt really take is as gospel. Not that I take mhra the same
People do talk about "VAERS dumpster diving" for a reason...
I'm not 100% sure on the yellow card, but I certainly wouldn't be inclined to infer much from the raw data.
I think yellow card is great, yeah self reported data just a starting block. Gives researchers direction of what needs further research like the people complaining of hearing loss etc. The more people report the more they can look at the right things. I should go now and fill mine in while i remember!
Absolutely! It's a useful tool, but a data set with limitations."Risk of self reporting is it leaves it rather open to manipulated from someone, some organisation or some state with a vested interested in undermining one or more vaccine... | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. Anyone can enter anything. Verified or not. Dr mickey mouse reported the demise of patient goofy. Poor goofy. In most cases reports from these kind of things are under reported. I'm a pro vaxer but there is certainly the possibility of under reporting. I could be wrong but you have to put your batch number on the yellow card? so unless you are very determined to guess then only vaccinated people will put up symptoms. Yeah they could put up that they grew an extra nipple but would be the vast minority. It's only used when there is something that needs further investigation. I havent put mine up yet because I was halfway through and messed part of it up and forgot to go back and finish it I heard re VAERS, which is the US system, that they suspect that for Covid it's being over reported because everyone is a bit hyper vigilant, whereas normally you'd be like "meh, I'm not filling in a form for a sore arm" Certainly a possibility but hopefully batch numbers and stuff required on that also. If anyone can write on that then wouldnt really take is as gospel. Not that I take mhra the same
People do talk about "VAERS dumpster diving" for a reason...
I'm not 100% sure on the yellow card, but I certainly wouldn't be inclined to infer much from the raw data.
I think yellow card is great, yeah self reported data just a starting block. Gives researchers direction of what needs further research like the people complaining of hearing loss etc. The more people report the more they can look at the right things. I should go now and fill mine in while i remember!
Absolutely! It's a useful tool, but a data set with limitations.
Risk of self reporting is it leaves it rather open to manipulated from someone, some organisation or some state with a vested interested in undermining one or more vaccine... "Quite | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. Anyone can enter anything. Verified or not. Dr mickey mouse reported the demise of patient goofy. Poor goofy. In most cases reports from these kind of things are under reported. I'm a pro vaxer but there is certainly the possibility of under reporting. I could be wrong but you have to put your batch number on the yellow card? so unless you are very determined to guess then only vaccinated people will put up symptoms. Yeah they could put up that they grew an extra nipple but would be the vast minority. It's only used when there is something that needs further investigation. I havent put mine up yet because I was halfway through and messed part of it up and forgot to go back and finish it Pretty sure batch no is optional. Most things are optional on it. " Really? That's poo | |||
"Fully agree.. But why if you're an independent news channel on YouTude and you quote official MHRA Yellow Card statistics on adverse reactions and deaths associated with the vaccines are you taken off air? Why are MSM afraid of this? Because that data may have been used incorrectly. They may not be associated with the vaccine and if that's what's being said, it's misinformation. Anyone can report anything to the yellow card scheme, it might not be true, it also might be nothing to do with the vaccine. The yellow card scheme does seem like an accident waiting to happen. If it's openly available to the public to use and abuse. I mean trusting people not to make up shit that didn't happen... I mean that wouldn't happen would it? And the deaths associated with the vaccines? Obliviously they must have been reported by a medical person and verified. Anyone can enter anything. Verified or not. Dr mickey mouse reported the demise of patient goofy. Poor goofy. In most cases reports from these kind of things are under reported. I'm a pro vaxer but there is certainly the possibility of under reporting. I could be wrong but you have to put your batch number on the yellow card? so unless you are very determined to guess then only vaccinated people will put up symptoms. Yeah they could put up that they grew an extra nipple but would be the vast minority. It's only used when there is something that needs further investigation. I havent put mine up yet because I was halfway through and messed part of it up and forgot to go back and finish it Pretty sure batch no is optional. Most things are optional on it. Really? That's poo" Yep and yep.... Hence why it's not safe to assume it's an accurate source. Especially with so many vested interests... Its basicly a glorified comments page (well 5 pages). | |||
"Pretty good programme. Hopefully all the sad anti Vaccine crazy people wise up now. Perfect example of mass brainwashing. Hilarious " | |||
