" whats happening to all the new vacines that they talk about it sounded like they were nearly ready to go does anybody know"
As far as I know, there are 4 approved for use in the uk, AstraZenaca, Pfizer,Modern and Johnson & Johnson. In other countries, Sputnik, Covaxin, Sinopharm and Sinovax (both chinese) are also being used.
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Hi Cal. The FDA in America issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for the vaccines for the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). So the vaccines currently being used have not been certified and the results of the trial are not going to be known until at least 2024, probaby longer. 'Certified' and 'approved' have two very different meanings. Jay. |
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"Hi Cal. The FDA in America issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for the vaccines for the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). So the vaccines currently being used have not been certified and the results of the trial are not going to be known until at least 2024, probaby longer. 'Certified' and 'approved' have two very different meanings. Jay. "
You do know that we're not in America, right? We have our own approval processes?
And I thought the lie spun about post marketing monitoring was 2023  |
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"It’s probably worth their while tweaking any unreleased vaccines to target the new variants.
The “Indian variant” is going to replace the existing strains. "
There is no evidence that the current vaccines are any less effective in protecting against the Indian or any other know variant |
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"Hi Cal. The FDA in America issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for the vaccines for the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). So the vaccines currently being used have not been certified and the results of the trial are not going to be known until at least 2024, probaby longer. 'Certified' and 'approved' have two very different meanings. Jay. "
Jay.
The emergency approval process is designed to allow lives to be saved whilst bureaucracy takes its steady path. Emergency use permits require that the treatment has passed all of the required testing to provide a statistically high confidence of the safety and efficiency of the treatment.
Several vaccines have now been given complete approval in the UK & EU
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"Hi Cal. The FDA in America issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for the vaccines for the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). So the vaccines currently being used have not been certified and the results of the trial are not going to be known until at least 2024, probaby longer. 'Certified' and 'approved' have two very different meanings. Jay.
Jay.
The emergency approval process is designed to allow lives to be saved whilst bureaucracy takes its steady path. Emergency use permits require that the treatment has passed all of the required testing to provide a statistically high confidence of the safety and efficiency of the treatment.
Several vaccines have now been given complete approval in the UK & EU
Cal"
Are you sure? According to this GOV.UK page updated 6 days ago the Pfizer vaccine is still only authorised under emergency powers.
“This temporary Authorisation under Regulation 174 permits the supply of identified COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 batches, based on the safety, quality and efficacy data submitted by Pfizer/BioNTech to MHRA in the period from 1 October to 2 December 2020;
- This authorisation is not a marketing authorisation;”
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/conditions-of-authorisation-for-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine |
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It's the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency here and they issued a tempoary use authorisation. It's the same everywhere in the world my point being, these vaccines are on trial and no one knows what's the results of that will be. |
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"It's the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency here and they issued a tempoary use authorisation. It's the same everywhere in the world my point being, these vaccines are on trial and no one knows what's the results of that will be. "
Given the robust data that's come out from phase 3 trials and the millions of people vaccinated before me, I'm more than satisfied that I'm making an evidence based choice to be vaccinated and to recommend that everyone I know do the same.
(Or, in my case, I'm on a real clinical trial not an imaginary one ) |
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"It's the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency here and they issued a tempoary use authorisation. It's the same everywhere in the world my point being, these vaccines are on trial and no one knows what's the results of that will be.
Given the robust data that's come out from phase 3 trials and the millions of people vaccinated before me, I'm more than satisfied that I'm making an evidence based choice to be vaccinated and to recommend that everyone I know do the same.
(Or, in my case, I'm on a real clinical trial not an imaginary one )"
I applaud you for taking part in a trial. In my book that is true altruism as you don’t really know the risks or benefits to yourself at this stage (regardless of confidence levels in the science etc).
The robust data you refer to is of course only able to provide that reassurance on short term side effects. We simply cannot know (without people like you) whether there are long term side effects. |
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"It's the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency here and they issued a tempoary use authorisation. It's the same everywhere in the world my point being, these vaccines are on trial and no one knows what's the results of that will be.
Given the robust data that's come out from phase 3 trials and the millions of people vaccinated before me, I'm more than satisfied that I'm making an evidence based choice to be vaccinated and to recommend that everyone I know do the same.
(Or, in my case, I'm on a real clinical trial not an imaginary one )
I applaud you for taking part in a trial. In my book that is true altruism as you don’t really know the risks or benefits to yourself at this stage (regardless of confidence levels in the science etc).
The robust data you refer to is of course only able to provide that reassurance on short term side effects. We simply cannot know (without people like you) whether there are long term side effects."
My understanding is that long term side effects from any vaccine occur within two months - that anything coming up after this, for any vaccination ever, is unheard of. (My citation is a bit shit for this - I heard Paul Offit say so on an interview on the podcast This Week in Virology. Paul Offit is definitely the kind of authority to cite for this sort of thing, but I don't have anything written down) I understand why it's a concern, but if it's correct that vaccinations are not known to cause newly emerging side effects after two months - some trial participants have been vaccinated for over a year.
(My own risk calculus for my participation was "150 people in phase 1/2, 2 suffered side effects lasting two days, nothing more serious" - it's not a calculus I'd ask anyone else to take, but essentially 1/75 chance of duvet day, less than 1/150 chance of other side effects) |
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Not sure I'd use the term 'robust data'  . Everybody's body is different so to recommend that everybody does the same as you isn't wise. I'd say everyone has the right to make their own informed decision about what they think is right for them. |
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"Not sure I'd use the term 'robust data' . Everybody's body is different so to recommend that everybody does the same as you isn't wise. I'd say everyone has the right to make their own informed decision about what they think is right for them. "
Oh? And how do you come to the conclusion that it's not robust?
Everyone's body is different, but studies give an idea of potential risk.
I'm basing my informed decisions on the science, not fairy tales spouted on the internet. |
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"So... how long do you class as longterm effects? Is a year long enough?
Historical data demonstrates that in most cases, adverse effects to vaccines present within 2 months.
Cal"
I think the goal posts will continue to shift.
Just as after thimerasol was removed from childhood vaccines in the US, it's now argued that maternal vaccine damage causes autism.
Maybe my great-great-great grandparents getting smallpox vaccines will turn me into a cow! (Real vintage anti vax argument) |
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The science tells you that the Oxford Asta-Zeneca vaccine has caused blood clots in the brain and the abdomen. The facts of the science are hidden so informed decisions on science cannot be made. The science tells you that the PCR test is not suitable for the purpose for which they are using it for. Even the inventor of this test has said this. If you're going by the science, I would refer you to The Lancet which is one of the most oldest and respected medical journals put there. They have published that the experimental vaccines reduce your chances of catching Covid-19 as follows 
Pfizer - 0.8%
Johnsdon and Johnson 1.2%
Moderns 1.2%
Astra Zeneca 1.3%
So the science tells that us that you dont really reduce your risk by having the vaccine. With that said, are you going by the science ? |
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"The science tells you that the Oxford Asta-Zeneca vaccine has caused blood clots in the brain and the abdomen. The facts of the science are hidden so informed decisions on science cannot be made. The science tells you that the PCR test is not suitable for the purpose for which they are using it for. Even the inventor of this test has said this. If you're going by the science, I would refer you to The Lancet which is one of the most oldest and respected medical journals put there. They have published that the experimental vaccines reduce your chances of catching Covid-19 as follows
Pfizer - 0.8%
Johnsdon and Johnson 1.2%
Moderns 1.2%
Astra Zeneca 1.3%
So the science tells that us that you dont really reduce your risk by having the vaccine. With that said, are you going by the science ? "
Oh, the old PCR misquote again.
So yes, I am going by the science, because what you've just said is bollocks  |
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"The science tells you that the PCR test is not suitable for the purpose for which they are using it for. Even the inventor of this test has said this."
This i can definately disprove, as he died in August 2019, so unless he spoke via a Medium then he did not. |
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"It's the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency here and they issued a tempoary use authorisation. It's the same everywhere in the world my point being, these vaccines are on trial and no one knows what's the results of that will be.
Given the robust data that's come out from phase 3 trials and the millions of people vaccinated before me, I'm more than satisfied that I'm making an evidence based choice to be vaccinated and to recommend that everyone I know do the same.
(Or, in my case, I'm on a real clinical trial not an imaginary one )
I applaud you for taking part in a trial. In my book that is true altruism as you don’t really know the risks or benefits to yourself at this stage (regardless of confidence levels in the science etc).
The robust data you refer to is of course only able to provide that reassurance on short term side effects. We simply cannot know (without people like you) whether there are long term side effects.
My understanding is that long term side effects from any vaccine occur within two months - that anything coming up after this, for any vaccination ever, is unheard of. (My citation is a bit shit for this - I heard Paul Offit say so on an interview on the podcast This Week in Virology. Paul Offit is definitely the kind of authority to cite for this sort of thing, but I don't have anything written down) I understand why it's a concern, but if it's correct that vaccinations are not known to cause newly emerging side effects after two months - some trial participants have been vaccinated for over a year.
(My own risk calculus for my participation was "150 people in phase 1/2, 2 suffered side effects lasting two days, nothing more serious" - it's not a calculus I'd ask anyone else to take, but essentially 1/75 chance of duvet day, less than 1/150 chance of other side effects)"
Now THAT is a powerful and helpful message for those who are hesitant (still won’t touch anti-vax crowd).
If that is true (long term side effects come to light in two months) then if nothing is coming out then that needs to be shouted about. Massive key piece of info!
One of the concerns is possible affects on fertility. My limited understanding being that there is evidence of the thickening of the walls of the womb? Surely something like impacts on fertility will take more than two months to appear and be clearly assigned to the vaccine(s)? |
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Your response is that of someone who can't argue with the facts.
Let me give you some more facts. Under the freedom of information act 2000, someone asked Birmingham City Council for the total number of burial and cremations in the councils jurisdiction between Jan 2015 and Dec 2020. These are the results.
Burials Cremation
2015 2695 5295
2016 2635 5027
2017 2542 5785
2018 2628 5056
2019 2471 4409
2020 2559 4293
Even a school drop out could analyse these stats and tell you that these aren't the stats which cry out pandemic !
People need to know the truth before taking the vaccine. Once it's in, it's in ! |
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"Your response is that of someone who can't argue with the facts.
Let me give you some more facts. Under the freedom of information act 2000, someone asked Birmingham City Council for the total number of burial and cremations in the councils jurisdiction between Jan 2015 and Dec 2020. These are the results.
Burials Cremation
2015 2695 5295
2016 2635 5027
2017 2542 5785
2018 2628 5056
2019 2471 4409
2020 2559 4293
Even a school drop out could analyse these stats and tell you that these aren't the stats which cry out pandemic !
People need to know the truth before taking the vaccine. Once it's in, it's in ! "
I got my first jab three weeks ago. Too late.
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"Your response is that of someone who can't argue with the facts.
Let me give you some more facts. Under the freedom of information act 2000, someone asked Birmingham City Council for the total number of burial and cremations in the councils jurisdiction between Jan 2015 and Dec 2020. These are the results.
Burials Cremation
2015 2695 5295
2016 2635 5027
2017 2542 5785
2018 2628 5056
2019 2471 4409
2020 2559 4293
Even a school drop out could analyse these stats and tell you that these aren't the stats which cry out pandemic !
People need to know the truth before taking the vaccine. Once it's in, it's in ! "
So you are clearly implying that there is no pandemic? That the death rate (burials) proves this?
People also point to the lower levels of Flu related death this year but that ignores that all the safety steps we have been making (working from home, less commuting, washing hands, social distancing, masks) also have a positive impact on ALL other transmissible diseases. |
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"The science tells you that the PCR test is not suitable for the purpose for which they are using it for. Even the inventor of this test has said this.
This i can definately disprove, as he died in August 2019, so unless he spoke via a Medium then he did not. "
when he died has nothing to do with it as he was making a point in general that the test is not to diagnose illness |
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Of course it's too late....we can't exactly siphon it out now can we !
But its not too late for the people that haven't had it yet.
We're all born with amazing immune systems. Trust it by giving it the ammunition it needs to do its job & everything will be fine... with zero risk of all of the associated complications with having vaccines. |
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"Of course it's too late....we can't exactly siphon it out now can we !
But its not too late for the people that haven't had it yet.
We're all born with amazing immune systems. Trust it by giving it the ammunition it needs to do its job & everything will be fine... with zero risk of all of the associated complications with having vaccines. "
Tell that to the 30% of the population who used to die from smallpox.
Or people like me whose immune systems malfunction |
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"Of course it's too late....we can't exactly siphon it out now can we !
But its not too late for the people that haven't had it yet.
We're all born with amazing immune systems. Trust it by giving it the ammunition it needs to do its job & everything will be fine... with zero risk of all of the associated complications with having vaccines. "
Thanks for the selection of data you've quoted. With enough motivation, any information can be used to prove a point by misrepresentation and omission.
You're absolutely right, people should make their own minds up about what to do, using actual facts related to the decision. Not taking into account any scaremongering or misplaced crusading from conspiracy theorists.
Since people will make up their own minds, your point, there's no need to add any more opinion to the thread is there? |
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"Of course it's too late....we can't exactly siphon it out now can we !
But its not too late for the people that haven't had it yet.
We're all born with amazing immune systems. Trust it by giving it the ammunition it needs to do its job & everything will be fine... with zero risk of all of the associated complications with having vaccines. "
This would have been a great point about 100 years ago! There are so many artificial toxins and additives in our daily lives that our bodies have no natural answer for.
If there were no food additives, chemicals used to wash or clean, no fuels and no technology impact, we'd have far stronger immune systems and natural selection would thin us out the old way, through genetic weaknesses. Sadly that ship has sailed....... |
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If I'd been born 150 years ago, my immune system would have killed me by now. In fact I might not have seen adulthood. Just because of my immune system.
Today this formerly fatal condition is entirely managed and I live a normal life.
Hooray for science. |
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"If I'd been born 150 years ago, my immune system would have killed me by now. In fact I might not have seen adulthood. Just because of my immune system.
Today this formerly fatal condition is entirely managed and I live a normal life.
Hooray for science."
There's a great Tim Minchin line where he argues with someone at a party about science. There's a name for alternative remedies that have been scientifically proven to be effective. 'medicene'! At some stage all cures, vaccines and medicines were untried, and newly discovered.
But the bottom line with the vaccine is that it might save someone else's life. I might have little to no effect from catching covid, but the person I infect might die. I'd rather take a risk myself and know that I'm far less likely to cause harm to someone else. |
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"Your response is that of someone who can't argue with the facts.
Let me give you some more facts. Under the freedom of information act 2000, someone asked Birmingham City Council for the total number of burial and cremations in the councils jurisdiction between Jan 2015 and Dec 2020. These are the results.
Burials Cremation
2015 2695 5295
2016 2635 5027
2017 2542 5785
2018 2628 5056
2019 2471 4409
2020 2559 4293
Even a school drop out could analyse these stats and tell you that these aren't the stats which cry out pandemic !
People need to know the truth before taking the vaccine. Once it's in, it's in !
So you are clearly implying that there is no pandemic? That the death rate (burials) proves this?
People also point to the lower levels of Flu related death this year but that ignores that all the safety steps we have been making (working from home, less commuting, washing hands, social distancing, masks) also have a positive impact on ALL other transmissible diseases."
But we’ve also had higher death rates in the last 30 years with a lower population |
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"If I'd been born 150 years ago, my immune system would have killed me by now. In fact I might not have seen adulthood. Just because of my immune system.
Today this formerly fatal condition is entirely managed and I live a normal life.
Hooray for science.
There's a great Tim Minchin line where he argues with someone at a party about science. There's a name for alternative remedies that have been scientifically proven to be effective. 'medicene'! At some stage all cures, vaccines and medicines were untried, and newly discovered.
But the bottom line with the vaccine is that it might save someone else's life. I might have little to no effect from catching covid, but the person I infect might die. I'd rather take a risk myself and know that I'm far less likely to cause harm to someone else. "
Yes.
I'll probably be fine.
It's not and has never been about me.
What if my sniffle kills someone? |
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Well you'd think there would be a lot more deaths given the amount of fear there is out there. The stats from Birmingham City Council are consistent with many stats from all over the world and that is, that there hasn't been a significant increase (if any) in the number of people dying given the historical death rate from all causes. It's quite possible that the death from other causes other than covid has come down due to the measures introduced. That's assuming masks and social distancing work. If you go to a supermarket everyone's on top of each other.....and where are the queues that we had last year ? ...they're non existent. |
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"Well you'd think there would be a lot more deaths given the amount of fear there is out there. The stats from Birmingham City Council are consistent with many stats from all over the world and that is, that there hasn't been a significant increase (if any) in the number of people dying given the historical death rate from all causes. It's quite possible that the death from other causes other than covid has come down due to the measures introduced. That's assuming masks and social distancing work. If you go to a supermarket everyone's on top of each other.....and where are the queues that we had last year ? ...they're non existent. "
I'll keep trusting the science, thanks |
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"Nobody wants anyone to die or suffer. There's many diseases out there that don't just conjure themselves out of thin air. What I would say is Problem, reaction, solution. Follow the money. "
Sure.
Plenty of charlatans have switched from diet hacks to "cures" for Covid-19. Clear evidence of big corporate funding for Covid-19 misinformation campaigns.
I see the scam loud and clear. |
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Your sniffles aren't going to kill anyone. The narrative in the media has been get vaccinated, care about not giving it to family and friends and the like. But the vaccine doesn't stop you from spreading it anyway. Ultimately, and I'm not being selfish by saying this, everyone is responsible for their own health and the bottom line is, people are just bothered about themselves. If people were bothered about each other, they'd have been sharing toilet rolls last year instead of fighting over it ! |
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"Your sniffles aren't going to kill anyone. The narrative in the media has been get vaccinated, care about not giving it to family and friends and the like. But the vaccine doesn't stop you from spreading it anyway. Ultimately, and I'm not being selfish by saying this, everyone is responsible for their own health and the bottom line is, people are just bothered about themselves. If people were bothered about each other, they'd have been sharing toilet rolls last year instead of fighting over it ! "
I do not share this attitude. I'm looking to protect others, and I understand the evolving position.
I've also followed the money, as you suggested, and found that the world of Covid denial is full of scam artists. |
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"The only way you'll protect others is by locking yourself in a room and self isolating yourself on a permanent basis because you can still spread it, jab or no jab."
If you think that then knock yourself out. |
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"The science tells you that the Oxford Asta-Zeneca vaccine has caused blood clots in the brain and the abdomen. The facts of the science are hidden so informed decisions on science cannot be made. The science tells you that the PCR test is not suitable for the purpose for which they are using it for. Even the inventor of this test has said this. If you're going by the science, I would refer you to The Lancet which is one of the most oldest and respected medical journals put there. They have published that the experimental vaccines reduce your chances of catching Covid-19 as follows
Pfizer - 0.8%
Johnsdon and Johnson 1.2%
Moderns 1.2%
Astra Zeneca 1.3%
So the science tells that us that you dont really reduce your risk by having the vaccine. With that said, are you going by the science ? "
Can you explain what ARR means? |
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Save me the time and just Google it. Just food for thought. Had we not have been told about Covid, would everyone have just said it was a bad flu ?. Answer : probably yes. And if that was the case, would there have been social distancing, face nappies, vaccinations, peoples businesses being closed and their livelihoods lost, cancer patients and other people with serious illnesses dying or suffering because of cancelled & postponed hospital appointments....answer : no. Would the death rate have been the same or similar give or take a small deviation up or down ? ...answer : yes. This is the reality folks, get with it. |
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"Save me the time and just Google it. Just food for thought. Had we not have been told about Covid, would everyone have just said it was a bad flu ?. Answer : probably yes. And if that was the case, would there have been social distancing, face nappies, vaccinations, peoples businesses being closed and their livelihoods lost, cancer patients and other people with serious illnesses dying or suffering because of cancelled & postponed hospital appointments....answer : no. Would the death rate have been the same or similar give or take a small deviation up or down ? ...answer : yes. This is the reality folks, get with it. "
From that reply it’s obvious you don’t understand what ARR means. So you quote “follow the science” but you don’t understand it. As for the rest of your statement, are you saying the exponential rate of deaths in Dec/Jan due to Covid would have slowed down without the lockdown? |
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You do know that we're not in America, right? We have our own approval processes?
And I thought the lie spun about post marketing monitoring was 2023 "
It's not a lie. Feel free to look at the vaccines Authorisation
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/conditions-of-authorisation-for-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine
This is not a license and the drug will not be licensed until 2023 when the phase 3 trials end.
Happy to post more .Gov or pfizer and AstraZeneca links to prove that.
Not that you'll pay any attention as I've posted them for you before |
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You do know that we're not in America, right? We have our own approval processes?
And I thought the lie spun about post marketing monitoring was 2023
It's not a lie. Feel free to look at the vaccines Authorisation
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/conditions-of-authorisation-for-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine
This is not a license and the drug will not be licensed until 2023 when the phase 3 trials end.
Happy to post more .Gov or pfizer and AstraZeneca links to prove that.
Not that you'll pay any attention as I've posted them for you before "
This isn't enough "science" for many. |
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Oh I fully understand what ARR is. Can you prove there was an exponential rate in deaths in Dec/Jan and can you also prove that people actually died 'from Covid' and not 'with Covid'. Finally can you prove that no death certificates were falsified ?. You've clearly proved that a little knowledge can be very dangerous. I suggest you read the book, 'How to Lie with Statistics', a book written by Darrell Huff in 1954. Statistics can be very deceiving my friend and they can make you believe anything they want. |
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"Oh I fully understand what ARR is. Can you prove there was an exponential rate in deaths in Dec/Jan and can you also prove that people actually died 'from Covid' and not 'with Covid'. Finally can you prove that no death certificates were falsified ?. You've clearly proved that a little knowledge can be very dangerous. I suggest you read the book, 'How to Lie with Statistics', a book written by Darrell Huff in 1954. Statistics can be very deceiving my friend and they can make you believe anything they want. "
totally agree with you
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"Oh I fully understand what ARR is. Can you prove there was an exponential rate in deaths in Dec/Jan and can you also prove that people actually died 'from Covid' and not 'with Covid'. Finally can you prove that no death certificates were falsified ?. You've clearly proved that a little knowledge can be very dangerous. I suggest you read the book, 'How to Lie with Statistics', a book written by Darrell Huff in 1954. Statistics can be very deceiving my friend and they can make you believe anything they want. "
Lol a third chance for you to explain ARR and you haven’t. Hmmmm  So you have read the book and are using the findings to bias your thinking - thanks for pointing that out. Where did I mention anything about death certificates? As you brought the subject up, it should be down to you to prove that 127,000 death certificates have been falsified. |
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"Save me the time and just Google it. Just food for thought. Had we not have been told about Covid, would everyone have just said it was a bad flu ?. Answer : probably yes. And if that was the case, would there have been social distancing, face nappies, vaccinations, peoples businesses being closed and their livelihoods lost, cancer patients and other people with serious illnesses dying or suffering because of cancelled & postponed hospital appointments....answer : no. Would the death rate have been the same or similar give or take a small deviation up or down ? ...answer : yes. This is the reality folks, get with it. "
had we not taken the steps we did 100s of thousands more would have died.
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Please don't shout about all the side effects of vaccines coming out within 2 months and if they don't, your in the all clear because this is just not true. The risk of Infertility in both men and women has been mentioned as has womens menstrural cycle changing. Some of the said vaccines are mRna so they change your DNA. By doing this it compromises your immune system which will result in autoimmune problems. What will happen is this...if a virus enters the body, your body will go into something called 'cytokine storm' which means it goes into overdrive and not only will it attack the virus it doesn't recognise but attack your internal organs too. It's very serious. These problems might not take a couple of months to come out but could take years. What might be revealing is when people get the flu jab this winter and how the people who have been vaccinated react to the virus in the flu jab. Winter season will tell us a lot more than what we know now. Another interesting topic is that of shedding if you folks want to look that up. In essence what happens is that the people who have been vaccinated shed the protein spike which could spread germs to a non vaccinated person. So if you've been vaccinated and think you have to be wary of those who haven't been vaccinated then please think again because more likely, it's the non vaccinated folk who need to be wary of the vaccinated folk as they will become the super spreaders !. |
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"Please don't shout about all the side effects of vaccines coming out within 2 months and if they don't, your in the all clear because this is just not true. The risk of Infertility in both men and women has been mentioned as has womens menstrural cycle changing. Some of the said vaccines are mRna so they change your DNA. By doing this it compromises your immune system which will result in autoimmune problems. What will happen is this...if a virus enters the body, your body will go into something called 'cytokine storm' which means it goes into overdrive and not only will it attack the virus it doesn't recognise but attack your internal organs too. It's very serious. These problems might not take a couple of months to come out but could take years. What might be revealing is when people get the flu jab this winter and how the people who have been vaccinated react to the virus in the flu jab. Winter season will tell us a lot more than what we know now. Another interesting topic is that of shedding if you folks want to look that up. In essence what happens is that the people who have been vaccinated shed the protein spike which could spread germs to a non vaccinated person. So if you've been vaccinated and think you have to be wary of those who haven't been vaccinated then please think again because more likely, it's the non vaccinated folk who need to be wary of the vaccinated folk as they will become the super spreaders !."
Sigh...... seriously did you just copy and paste every ludicrous and disproved conspiracy theory into one post. The vaccines do not and can not change your DNA..... that's just the first bit that is untrue. Some women have experienced slight changes to their cycle but it's been short term. To be honest it's a side effect with the flu jab too. The rest please.... I posted a few links recently which explains why this lie about DNA changes is not true.
Thing is some people are actually scared when reading rubbish like this. The vaccines have been tested and approved.. the only people still in trials is those on that originally signed on for the trials |
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I've asked you to read the book because it illustrates how statistics can be misleading....and i think you've been mislead. You have attributed your so called exponential rise in deaths due to Covid. Sir Patrick Vallance has even admitted that some covid deaths were counted twice !. Death certificates were falsified so many many deaths were attributed to covid even when they were not. If you look at the real data, you will find that there was a spike in deaths as soon as lockdown was introduced. By the way, there may have been a lot more falsified death certifcates than the figure you mention, who knows. The point is, you've believed the stats presented to you and took them at face value when in fact, the figures have been fudged so cannot be trusted. |
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"I've asked you to read the book because it illustrates how statistics can be misleading....and i think you've been mislead. You have attributed your so called exponential rise in deaths due to Covid. Sir Patrick Vallance has even admitted that some covid deaths were counted twice !. Death certificates were falsified so many many deaths were attributed to covid even when they were not. If you look at the real data, you will find that there was a spike in deaths as soon as lockdown was introduced. By the way, there may have been a lot more falsified death certifcates than the figure you mention, who knows. The point is, you've believed the stats presented to you and took them at face value when in fact, the figures have been fudged so cannot be trusted. "
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"I've asked you to read the book because it illustrates how statistics can be misleading....and i think you've been mislead. You have attributed your so called exponential rise in deaths due to Covid. Sir Patrick Vallance has even admitted that some covid deaths were counted twice !. Death certificates were falsified so many many deaths were attributed to covid even when they were not. If you look at the real data, you will find that there was a spike in deaths as soon as lockdown was introduced. By the way, there may have been a lot more falsified death certifcates than the figure you mention, who knows. The point is, you've believed the stats presented to you and took them at face value when in fact, the figures have been fudged so cannot be trusted. "
Just repeating an allegation doesn't actually make it any more true. What "evidence" can you present to reinforce you claims? Generally the process involved in "proving" that the published scientific evidence is not true, involves producing actual scientific or material evidence that your claims are true.
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"I've asked you to read the book because it illustrates how statistics can be misleading....and i think you've been mislead. You have attributed your so called exponential rise in deaths due to Covid. Sir Patrick Vallance has even admitted that some covid deaths were counted twice !. Death certificates were falsified so many many deaths were attributed to covid even when they were not. If you look at the real data, you will find that there was a spike in deaths as soon as lockdown was introduced. By the way, there may have been a lot more falsified death certifcates than the figure you mention, who knows. The point is, you've believed the stats presented to you and took them at face value when in fact, the figures have been fudged so cannot be trusted.
Just repeating an allegation doesn't actually make it any more true. What "evidence" can you present to reinforce you claims? Generally the process involved in "proving" that the published scientific evidence is not true, involves producing actual scientific or material evidence that your claims are true.
So true. Apparently he has all the data to hand and can in fact prove that the data had been fudged. Or can he?
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"I've asked you to read the book because it illustrates how statistics can be misleading....and i think you've been mislead. You have attributed your so called exponential rise in deaths due to Covid. Sir Patrick Vallance has even admitted that some covid deaths were counted twice !. Death certificates were falsified so many many deaths were attributed to covid even when they were not. If you look at the real data, you will find that there was a spike in deaths as soon as lockdown was introduced. By the way, there may have been a lot more falsified death certifcates than the figure you mention, who knows. The point is, you've believed the stats presented to you and took them at face value when in fact, the figures have been fudged so cannot be trusted. "
Wow ... Just wow
All these centuries of war and hatred and now the world leaders have forgotten all their distrust of each other and joined forces to bluff mankind with this huge plandemic.
Even Kim Jong In has got in bed with the Americans
Wow.... Just wow ... |
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"I've asked you to read the book because it illustrates how statistics can be misleading....and i think you've been mislead. You have attributed your so called exponential rise in deaths due to Covid. Sir Patrick Vallance has even admitted that some covid deaths were counted twice !. Death certificates were falsified so many many deaths were attributed to covid even when they were not. If you look at the real data, you will find that there was a spike in deaths as soon as lockdown was introduced. By the way, there may have been a lot more falsified death certifcates than the figure you mention, who knows. The point is, you've believed the stats presented to you and took them at face value when in fact, the figures have been fudged so cannot be trusted.
Wow ... Just wow
All these centuries of war and hatred and now the world leaders have forgotten all their distrust of each other and joined forces to bluff mankind with this huge plandemic.
Even Kim Jong In has got in bed with the Americans
Wow.... Just wow ..."
I know, it's astounding.
It's beyond the realms of probability that so many countries could agree on something. |
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"Please don't shout about all the side effects of vaccines coming out within 2 months and if they don't, your in the all clear because this is just not true. The risk of Infertility in both men and women has been mentioned as has womens menstrural cycle changing. Some of the said vaccines are mRna so they change your DNA. By doing this it compromises your immune system which will result in autoimmune problems. What will happen is this...if a virus enters the body, your body will go into something called 'cytokine storm' which means it goes into overdrive and not only will it attack the virus it doesn't recognise but attack your internal organs too. It's very serious. These problems might not take a couple of months to come out but could take years. What might be revealing is when people get the flu jab this winter and how the people who have been vaccinated react to the virus in the flu jab. Winter season will tell us a lot more than what we know now. Another interesting topic is that of shedding if you folks want to look that up. In essence what happens is that the people who have been vaccinated shed the protein spike which could spread germs to a non vaccinated person. So if you've been vaccinated and think you have to be wary of those who haven't been vaccinated then please think again because more likely, it's the non vaccinated folk who need to be wary of the vaccinated folk as they will become the super spreaders !."
Approximately every sentence you have written is complete bollocks... |
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"I've asked you to read the book because it illustrates how statistics can be misleading....and i think you've been mislead. You have attributed your so called exponential rise in deaths due to Covid. Sir Patrick Vallance has even admitted that some covid deaths were counted twice !. Death certificates were falsified so many many deaths were attributed to covid even when they were not. If you look at the real data, you will find that there was a spike in deaths as soon as lockdown was introduced. By the way, there may have been a lot more falsified death certifcates than the figure you mention, who knows. The point is, you've believed the stats presented to you and took them at face value when in fact, the figures have been fudged so cannot be trusted. "
And approximately every sentence you have written here is also bollocks. |
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"I've asked you to read the book because it illustrates how statistics can be misleading....and i think you've been mislead. You have attributed your so called exponential rise in deaths due to Covid. Sir Patrick Vallance has even admitted that some covid deaths were counted twice !. Death certificates were falsified so many many deaths were attributed to covid even when they were not. If you look at the real data, you will find that there was a spike in deaths as soon as lockdown was introduced. By the way, there may have been a lot more falsified death certifcates than the figure you mention, who knows. The point is, you've believed the stats presented to you and took them at face value when in fact, the figures have been fudged so cannot be trusted.
Wow ... Just wow
All these centuries of war and hatred and now the world leaders have forgotten all their distrust of each other and joined forces to bluff mankind with this huge plandemic.
Even Kim Jong In has got in bed with the Americans
Wow.... Just wow ...
I know, it's astounding.
It's beyond the realms of probability that so many countries could agree on something. "
Occam's razor.
All countries successfully coordinated a misinformation campaign when so many politicians can't tell their arse from their elbow or keep it a secret?
Or, this really happened and was really bad? |
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People who can't be bothered doing their own research or are too lazy to do so are quick to label other people consipracy theorists. Please do your own research and you might find that you agree with me. |
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"People who can't be bothered doing their own research or are too lazy to do so are quick to label other people consipracy theorists. Please do your own research and you might find that you agree with me. "
Been "doing my own research" since early March last year.
Unfortunately I'm trained in critical thinking and research techniques and so know how to miss all the steaming bollocks. |
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"People who can't be bothered doing their own research or are too lazy to do so are quick to label other people consipracy theorists. Please do your own research and you might find that you agree with me. "
done my own research... lots of it..and no I dont agree.
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"People who can't be bothered doing their own research or are too lazy to do so are quick to label other people consipracy theorists. Please do your own research and you might find that you agree with me. "
I think you will find that many are doing exactly that, using reputable sources.
No idea where you are doing your research but I'm afraid the information you have is erroneous. |
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"People who can't be bothered doing their own research or are too lazy to do so are quick to label other people consipracy theorists. Please do your own research and you might find that you agree with me.
I think you will find that many are doing exactly that, using reputable sources.
No idea where you are doing your research but I'm afraid the information you have is erroneous. "
This was posted by Nita BTW...makes a change for me to post on this profile. |
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"(sigh) ...another one that doesn't like being told the truth.if I talked bollocks you'd probably believe me ! "
I could say the same to you. The moment someone starts on about vaccines changing DNA it's really easy to dismiss, perhaps do some of this research and critical thinking that your accusing others of not doing. |
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Welcome to the debate Nita. It's all healthy chat here.. I think its about raising awareness and opening peoples perception of what's possible. Not asking stone to believe what I say. I say, do your own research. |
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"(sigh) ...another one that doesn't like being told the truth.if I talked bollocks you'd probably believe me ! "
Just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't make them wring and you right. It's called having a debate. |
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"Welcome to the debate Nita. It's all healthy chat here.. I think its about raising awareness and opening peoples perception of what's possible. Not asking stone to believe what I say. I say, do your own research. "
Sadly, you are spreading potentially dangerous misinformation not building awareness.
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Think you'll find that I've said that people are free to make their own minds up about the subject and to do their own research. It's individuals like you that stifle free speech by saying people are spreading misinformation. I'm not asking you to believe what I say. Free speech is needed. We don't need everyone walking around with a nappy on their face not able to voice their words !
Raising awareness is about getting people to question and think for themselves and not be brain dead and lost at sea who many people are ! |
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"Think you'll find that I've said that people are free to make their own minds up about the subject and to do their own research. It's individuals like you that stifle free speech by saying people are spreading misinformation. I'm not asking you to believe what I say. Free speech is needed. We don't need everyone walking around with a nappy on their face not able to voice their words !
Raising awareness is about getting people to question and think for themselves and not be brain dead and lost at sea who many people are ! "
Free speech also applies to those of us who are of the view that you're spreading misinformation |
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"You're free to have that opinion and I welcome what you have to say.whether I agree with it is a different matter. "
Didn't ask you to.
You have free speech, I have free speech. In using my free speech I'll say you're spreading misinformation. |
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"Please don't shout about all the side effects of vaccines coming out within 2 months and if they don't, your in the all clear because this is just not true. The risk of Infertility in both men and women has been mentioned as has womens menstrural cycle changing. Some of the said vaccines are mRna so they change your DNA. By doing this it compromises your immune system which will result in autoimmune problems. What will happen is this...if a virus enters the body, your body will go into something called 'cytokine storm' which means it goes into overdrive and not only will it attack the virus it doesn't recognise but attack your internal organs too. It's very serious. These problems might not take a couple of months to come out but could take years. What might be revealing is when people get the flu jab this winter and how the people who have been vaccinated react to the virus in the flu jab. Winter season will tell us a lot more than what we know now. Another interesting topic is that of shedding if you folks want to look that up. In essence what happens is that the people who have been vaccinated shed the protein spike which could spread germs to a non vaccinated person. So if you've been vaccinated and think you have to be wary of those who haven't been vaccinated then please think again because more likely, it's the non vaccinated folk who need to be wary of the vaccinated folk as they will become the super spreaders !."
Literally not one word of that has any basis in actual science! Good luck with your flat earth alternative reality. |
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"Think you'll find that I've said that people are free to make their own minds up about the subject and to do their own research. It's individuals like you that stifle free speech by saying people are spreading misinformation. I'm not asking you to believe what I say. Free speech is needed. We don't need everyone walking around with a nappy on their face not able to voice their words !
Raising awareness is about getting people to question and think for themselves and not be brain dead and lost at sea who many people are ! "
see how insulting do you want to be using the face nappy.. yes we do need people to wear face masks... look at what it has done for flu infections alone. Sorry but unless you have a medical reason not to wear a mask its pretty selfish not to |
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"Please don't shout about all the side effects of vaccines coming out within 2 months and if they don't, your in the all clear because this is just not true. The risk of Infertility in both men and women has been mentioned as has womens menstrural cycle changing. Some of the said vaccines are mRna so they change your DNA. By doing this it compromises your immune system which will result in autoimmune problems. What will happen is this...if a virus enters the body, your body will go into something called 'cytokine storm' which means it goes into overdrive and not only will it attack the virus it doesn't recognise but attack your internal organs too. It's very serious. These problems might not take a couple of months to come out but could take years. What might be revealing is when people get the flu jab this winter and how the people who have been vaccinated react to the virus in the flu jab. Winter season will tell us a lot more than what we know now. Another interesting topic is that of shedding if you folks want to look that up. In essence what happens is that the people who have been vaccinated shed the protein spike which could spread germs to a non vaccinated person. So if you've been vaccinated and think you have to be wary of those who haven't been vaccinated then please think again because more likely, it's the non vaccinated folk who need to be wary of the vaccinated folk as they will become the super spreaders !."
Complete and utter falsehoods..
Drivel of the highest order..
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"Valneva is now in phase 3 trials. It'll probably get mass produced later on this year. Think you only need 1 jab of that one, instead of the usual 2.
I'm on the Valneva trial.
You need two."
It's Johnson that only needs 1! Got them muddled up. Haven't heard of anyone here in UK having had the Johnson vaccine though. |
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"(sigh) ...another one that doesn't like being told the truth.if I talked bollocks you'd probably believe me ! "
You are talking bollocks lol.
Would you care to share your scientific credentials with us please?
For the record, my BSc Hons degree (from one of the top 3 universities in this country for that subject) is in physics and mathematics, followed by several years of post graduate research. Since then I have worked in the field of software engineering for 30 years, genetics and cell biology is an interest of mine, I have been reading about this stuff for at least 40 years. My daily bread and butter involves research, critical thinking, writing exceedingly complex software (like, the sort of stuff that actually makes your internet work), and getting paid pretty well for being extremely good at what I do. Did I leave out mensa level IQ? (I really don't like people who boast about that sort of thing, but there are certain occasions that I have to own up to it).
I do understand the mathematics of epidemiology (not actually that difficult) and am on record somewhere in the forum archives predicting the hospitalisation and death curves from last April/May.
I wouldn't claim to be an expert in microbiology and virology, but we do have at least one regular contributor on this forum who is a bona fide expert in those fields (I'll leave it up to her whether she want to wave the size of her credentials at you).  |
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"Valneva is now in phase 3 trials. It'll probably get mass produced later on this year. Think you only need 1 jab of that one, instead of the usual 2.
I'm on the Valneva trial.
You need two.
It's Johnson that only needs 1! Got them muddled up. Haven't heard of anyone here in UK having had the Johnson vaccine though. "
I know someone who was on the J&J trial last year, but I don't think we have it here (yet?). |
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Lots of moaning going on in the forum about the vaccine that makes no sense...its a choice, you have 2 options: get covid or get the vaccine. Both have risks...I chose the vaccine. If you want covid , fair enough...Your body , your choice, but believing that the pharma companies and Bill Gates wants to kill you is madness....ffs this site is all about sex and celebrating being Liberal with like minded people and all I'm getting is covid...like its not enough news about it on other websites.... |
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"(sigh) ...another one that doesn't like being told the truth.if I talked bollocks you'd probably believe me !
You are talking bollocks lol.
Would you care to share your scientific credentials with us please?
For the record, my BSc Hons degree (from one of the top 3 universities in this country for that subject) is in physics and mathematics, followed by several years of post graduate research. Since then I have worked in the field of software engineering for 30 years, genetics and cell biology is an interest of mine, I have been reading about this stuff for at least 40 years. My daily bread and butter involves research, critical thinking, writing exceedingly complex software (like, the sort of stuff that actually makes your internet work), and getting paid pretty well for being extremely good at what I do. Did I leave out mensa level IQ? (I really don't like people who boast about that sort of thing, but there are certain occasions that I have to own up to it).
I do understand the mathematics of epidemiology (not actually that difficult) and am on record somewhere in the forum archives predicting the hospitalisation and death curves from last April/May.
I wouldn't claim to be an expert in microbiology and virology, but we do have at least one regular contributor on this forum who is a bona fide expert in those fields (I'll leave it up to her whether she want to wave the size of her credentials at you). "
Not me.
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"Your response is that of someone who can't argue with the facts.
Let me give you some more facts. Under the freedom of information act 2000, someone asked Birmingham City Council for the total number of burial and cremations in the councils jurisdiction between Jan 2015 and Dec 2020. These are the results.
Burials Cremation
2015 2695 5295
2016 2635 5027
2017 2542 5785
2018 2628 5056
2019 2471 4409
2020 2559 4293
Even a school drop out could analyse these stats and tell you that these aren't the stats which cry out pandemic !
People need to know the truth before taking the vaccine. Once it's in, it's in ! "
You copied the numbers incorrectly. And it was Wolverhampton, but easy done.
Cremations
2015 = 2674
2016 = 2601
2017 = 2762
2018 = 2864
2019 = 2516
2020 = 2575
Burials
2015 = 726
2016 = 734
2017 = 778
2018 = 747
2019 = 611
2020 = 783
You'll note that the total for the two combined in 2020 was 3358. For 2019 it was 3127. Etc.
Source: Total number of Burials and Cremations
Nick Milner made this Freedom of Information request to Wolverhampton City Council
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"(sigh) ...another one that doesn't like being told the truth.if I talked bollocks you'd probably believe me !
You are talking bollocks lol.
Would you care to share your scientific credentials with us please?
For the record, my BSc Hons degree (from one of the top 3 universities in this country for that subject) is in physics and mathematics, followed by several years of post graduate research. Since then I have worked in the field of software engineering for 30 years, genetics and cell biology is an interest of mine, I have been reading about this stuff for at least 40 years. My daily bread and butter involves research, critical thinking, writing exceedingly complex software (like, the sort of stuff that actually makes your internet work), and getting paid pretty well for being extremely good at what I do. Did I leave out mensa level IQ? (I really don't like people who boast about that sort of thing, but there are certain occasions that I have to own up to it).
I do understand the mathematics of epidemiology (not actually that difficult) and am on record somewhere in the forum archives predicting the hospitalisation and death curves from last April/May.
I wouldn't claim to be an expert in microbiology and virology, but we do have at least one regular contributor on this forum who is a bona fide expert in those fields (I'll leave it up to her whether she want to wave the size of her credentials at you). "
I'm still waiting to understand the mechanism by which the vaccine(s) are able to edit your DNA. This mechanism was omitted from my education and so I am keen to better myself and to understand. It's proved completely impossible to find out, though. Strange... |
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"You can say what you want. I've got my words out there for everyone to read and you can't do anything about it. Hope you're not feeling powerless right now. Free speech is great isn't it ! "
Would you mind ever so kindly quoting and replying so we know who you are replying to/goading?
Many thanks indeed |
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"You can say what you want. I've got my words out there for everyone to read and you can't do anything about it. Hope you're not feeling powerless right now. Free speech is great isn't it ! "
Nope. I'm expressing my understanding of the evidence, most of the country are being vaccinated, I'm doing my bit, and I'm hardly threatened by people online expressing opinions. |
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"(sigh) ...another one that doesn't like being told the truth.if I talked bollocks you'd probably believe me !
You are talking bollocks lol.
Would you care to share your scientific credentials with us please?
For the record, my BSc Hons degree (from one of the top 3 universities in this country for that subject) is in physics and mathematics, followed by several years of post graduate research. Since then I have worked in the field of software engineering for 30 years, genetics and cell biology is an interest of mine, I have been reading about this stuff for at least 40 years. My daily bread and butter involves research, critical thinking, writing exceedingly complex software (like, the sort of stuff that actually makes your internet work), and getting paid pretty well for being extremely good at what I do. Did I leave out mensa level IQ? (I really don't like people who boast about that sort of thing, but there are certain occasions that I have to own up to it).
I do understand the mathematics of epidemiology (not actually that difficult) and am on record somewhere in the forum archives predicting the hospitalisation and death curves from last April/May.
I wouldn't claim to be an expert in microbiology and virology, but we do have at least one regular contributor on this forum who is a bona fide expert in those fields (I'll leave it up to her whether she want to wave the size of her credentials at you). "
And all on a two bob swingers site.
Like me.
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"Good for you if you feel that you're doing your bit. Just accept that it doesn't stop you from catching Covid, nor does it stop you from spreading it. Please see the stats posted from The Lancet. "
but it does reduce the risks of you catching it and reduces the transmission greatly
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"Good for you if you feel that you're doing your bit. Just accept that it doesn't stop you from catching Covid, nor does it stop you from spreading it. Please see the stats posted from The Lancet. "
In much the same way that a parachute does not ensure you surviving a fall from an airplane, and does not stop you hurting someone if you land on them. However I suspect that if you did find yourself falling from an airplane you might be quite glad to have a parachute anyway, and the person underneath might also be quite glad that there was considerably less chance of you killing them. |
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"Good for you if you feel that you're doing your bit. Just accept that it doesn't stop you from catching Covid, nor does it stop you from spreading it. Please see the stats posted from The Lancet. "
Im pretty sure thats incorrect.. The vaccine stops transmission and it spreading and also reduces the impact on the body if you do catch covid.. And everyone I think knows it doesn't cure Covid.. It does though still seem like a very sensible idea to have the vaccine when offered. |
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"You can say what you want. I've got my words out there for everyone to read and you can't do anything about it. Hope you're not feeling powerless right now. Free speech is great isn't it ! "
Most effective when its truthful and contributes to everyones well being I find.. Least effctive when its a paraphrase from a dodgy rag of a newspaper / conspiracy theory website source or Dave down the pub..
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"Good for you if you feel that you're doing your bit. Just accept that it doesn't stop you from catching Covid, nor does it stop you from spreading it. Please see the stats posted from The Lancet.
Im pretty sure thats incorrect.. The vaccine stops transmission and it spreading and also reduces the impact on the body if you do catch covid.. And everyone I think knows it doesn't cure Covid.. It does though still seem like a very sensible idea to have the vaccine when offered. "
it reduces transmission but does not stop it |
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"Good for you if you feel that you're doing your bit. Just accept that it doesn't stop you from catching Covid, nor does it stop you from spreading it. Please see the stats posted from The Lancet.
Im pretty sure thats incorrect.. The vaccine stops transmission and it spreading and also reduces the impact on the body if you do catch covid.. And everyone I think knows it doesn't cure Covid.. It does though still seem like a very sensible idea to have the vaccine when offered. it reduces transmission but does not stop it "
Just like the vast majority of vaccines we have, which control disease. |
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